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welcome to the gamedev.tv

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community podcast i'm your host kb and i

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would like to introduce you

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to industry professionals and people who

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successfully made their path

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to the video game industry i hope that

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you will enjoy the podcast and get

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useful tips that'll bring you closer to

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achieving your dreams

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now let's get right into the podcast

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lauren googie welcome to the gamedev.tv

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podcast

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thank you if you are a ceo of the

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cinematic pie

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correct chromatic pie or magpie my bad

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i knew it i was like i looked it up

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early and i was like i don't think

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that's right

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we had a chromatic pie so explain a

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little bit what that that is and a

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little bit about who you are and then

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well uh my name is lauren and i'm born

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and raised in new zealand

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down under under and um i

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just have a passion for video games as a

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lot of us do it's very deep seated for

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me from

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childhood um and i just

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i just found my home really i found i'm

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so lucky that i've found

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a place where i can grow a career and

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really expand into all sorts of

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corners of it which is what i'm doing

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with chromatic pie

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that's awesome yes i saw the little bit

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about it

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you're basically trying to represent all

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communities

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in one basically right yeah so that's

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that's really good nowadays because it's

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like we need more of that so people can

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feel like representative and just

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connected and all that stuff but i want

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to get

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to how you got started follow this so

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back when you were younger did you

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play a lot of games were you into game

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design or you were just doing your thing

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what's your story my story so when i was

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my my dad was a gamer since before i was

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born

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so i would watch him play quake doom and

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half-life

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probably a bit too young to watch but

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like i just loved it you know i

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he'd play it and i was so enthralled by

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what was going on on this computer

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screen and it was like a whole

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new experience whole new world for me so

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with that and so we had the sega master

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system too which i

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still have it's uh on one of my shelves

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in the lounge with all the games

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um i have chuck rock and

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i've got asterisks and a balux

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um so we had that one and then of course

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we went up to the playstation one

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my dad also had a a game boy um and a

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few of the types of those

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um but that was like his one he didn't

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let us play on it too much because it

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it was his thing yeah you want to mess

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yeah um and then yeah

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just their ps2 uh xbox you know it just

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sort of it just evolved over time and

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when i was at school i would quite often

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just come home and uh

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you know drop my bag down and just play

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um until you know homework or dinner

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for me video games has always been a

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part of my life um

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for me i i started in the entertainment

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aspect of things

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i was going through quite a hard time in

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my life in my early 20s and i found this

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youtuber

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called the red bread and so i started

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watching his

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let's plays and you know he helped me

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through my situation

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and you know we all go through things

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people playing video games for others

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was just this amazing medium and i

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really wanted to tap into that myself

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that's really where my uh streaming

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career began

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and i this is a lengthy story

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no worries yeah it's all good we all

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want to hear it

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yeah yeah so i guess from you know

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streaming on twitch it just sort of took

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and uh i just i just loved interacting

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in real time and i earned enough money

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where i could fly to america for my very

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and so i just loved networking loved

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meeting the community and just loved

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um but i found through playing my video

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games on the hardest difficulty

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which is something not everyone does but

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i i love a challenge i found from that

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that i became more interested in game

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design and um

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you know the mechanics of of combat and

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boss fights and

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i just really wanted to learn more and

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i put out on twitter one day you know

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i'm looking for a

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a community management position because

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i knew community management quite well

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um from this the twitch side of things

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so i got a job as a community manager at

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a studio um

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here in wellington where i currently am

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and then they offered me to be a

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producer because they saw some

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potential in me so i took that role uh

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and then of course covered hit oh no

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yeah and

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you know the layoffs and all that sort

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of jazz so i found myself in a position

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where i was like you know what

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i love video games i see uh

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sort of gaps within the industry for

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inclusion diversity

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and accessibility and i really want to

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use my leverage from all the the work

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i've done over the years

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um you know all the social media

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presence that i've built up

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and really just build something

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meaningful and that's going to help you

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know propel

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the industry in new zealand but also

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globally

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you know we need to see more inclusive

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in games i agree that's beautiful story

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thanks now i want to get into the whole

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you playing games on the hard difficulty

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is that something you just want to

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challenge yourself like what is the

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thought process because i'm gonna say

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i'm on the same thing but i do it

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go big and go home gotta prove myself

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that i'm really good stuff

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that's it you know i i started doing it

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because i just wanted

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like something else you know something

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um and you know it you i'd start a game

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and this is on twitch and it's in front

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of people so it's not like i'm just

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doing it at home by myself which is

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way better yeah right you know you're

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yeah yeah yeah exactly watch me die like

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all these times and people would like

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come and go like ah she's not really

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you know a few hours into every game i

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overcome that learning curve and then i

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end up just propelling to the finish

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and for me that feeling is just i love

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that feeling you know that i've

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i've stuck it in and i've learned the

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mechanics and i can really knuckle down

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and i just love that sense of um

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accomplishment and

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uh the people that watch me they also

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they're like wow

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you know you actually did the thing

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no but seriously it's it's weird because

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like you when you

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start to play in hard difficulties and

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you get better and better and better you

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really become good at the game like i

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played god of war and got a war mode and

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you really can't get hit

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you're doing all the cool stuff you're

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like you can't touch me you can't get me

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i've learned the tricks i've learned

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this stuff i know when you're gonna hit

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it's incredible and and it's it's cool

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because you go into this like flow state

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where you you just won't give up until

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you get there which i think can

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translate into like game design game

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you get to a point where you're like

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you're going to fail but like well in

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the game i failed but i kept failing

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failing and eventually i made it so

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maybe the same thing can happen here i

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don't know if you have the same type of

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like perspective when you play these

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games but yeah definitely there was a

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it was just you had the x but you had

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all those uh i can't remember

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their names but they were like frozen

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um and it was really hard to avoid you

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know you're in this confined

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area and um that part i

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i was stuck there so many times and died

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after then it really set me up for like

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the rest of the game and then

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whenever those enemies came along i was

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like you guys are nothing

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did you beat the game like the whole

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game i did yep

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i couldn't balder at the end i tried so

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many times i got to like the last part

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of his health and i just i was like i'm

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i've spent i think i spent like a whole

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day actually like 24 hours on it and i

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was like all right

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it's it's time it's time to cut it yeah

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yeah sometimes you have to sit back and

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enough because i watched a little bit

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afterwards i was like oh no i'm at the

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end of the game i pretty much beat it

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so but the hardest part too and i don't

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think you didn't easy

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re-heal and then have a second bar

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health so i remember i was watching my

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friend playing like damn i was like bro

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this is too easy

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i'm just like slashes and i'm like you

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have to go gotta warm up makes you

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it makes you stronger so yeah no it's

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when you get the achievement after

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walking through this this cave scene

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and um the music plays and it's just

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this like

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oh i did it that's such a good game i

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can't wait for the next one

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now when you were doing your producer

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jump how was what was that like how did

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you

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prepare for that and you evolved in that

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role

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wow yeah so being a producer for the

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first time was uh

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quite it was quite something you know

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when when i was a part of um the studios

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called a44 games um they didn't really

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have a

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producer structure at the time

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so we had um two other producers at the

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time another junior another mid-level

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producer

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um so we didn't really have a program to

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really

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nestle into but then we got a senior

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producer in

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from the united states and she was just

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incredible she came in february last

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year

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and of course i think i left in

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june i believe so i was only there with

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her for a short amount of time but

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gosh she had like 30 years experience

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and i really just got to go under her

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wing

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and learn you know how successful you

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know how she's made herself successful

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and helped other companies

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and so i really took a lot from that you

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know i'm someone that

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absorbs a lot uh probably more than i

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lead on to

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as well um and i really just take it all

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in take it on board

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i was the producer for um

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coding first and then i jumped over to

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design

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so i was looking after systems narrative

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you know all the different facets of

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design

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so during that as well i got to

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understand you know

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how the different departments

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communicate with each other um

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got to understand you know what the

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different departments actually

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do what it's about how it all comes to

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life

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and i just yeah i just gained such a

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passion for it and was like you know

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what i know enough to start an indie

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game company

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you know i don't want to start this big

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triple a like you know but i can start

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indian like and go from there so

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yeah i loved being a producer it was

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great wow

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okay and so did you go to school for any

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game

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design game development or this was just

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from twitch and then eventually evolving

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towards being a producer and then

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or how did that yeah yeah i think yeah

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um it was lucky you know i wanted

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a i wanted a career uh some more

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financial stability in my life um

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you know that twitch couldn't really

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give me so i thought you know community

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management would be

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the gig and um that felt like a natural

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step to do that but when they offered me

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a job as a producer

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you know it sort of opened doors for me

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and i

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i did see myself wanting to be a

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creative director one day while i was at

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the studio

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you know like leveling up to that level

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over over a certain amount of years

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um but no you know i asked other

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creative directors within the studio i

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was like you know would you recommend

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going to school

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for something like this and they're like

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no you can learn it all in house

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and a lot of teams are like that you

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know they will um

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help support you to to get to the the

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status that you want to get to

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over time um but you know if you want to

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go to

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a game design school and whatnot those

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are definitely

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helpful but if you're already in the

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industry and you've worked at a game

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studio

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and you feel like you have enough

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experience to start something

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um you know there's really nothing

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holding you back and um

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yeah i would just say just go for it

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like i have i have a bit of courage

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though

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it does take courage but uh yeah yeah i

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was gonna ask

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dude were you nervous not well let's not

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talk about the suit yet but were you

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nervous when they were like

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you want to be a producer and then yeah

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because you know experience before so

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you were like i have community

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management experience but not producers

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how did you feel about that were you

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like

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let's just bring it on or was your

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mindset yeah um

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for yes i was i was you know i've got a

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really optimistic attitude

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and uh you know i just feel like you

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know anything i could put my mind to

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i can i can do it and if if it doesn't

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turn out it doesn't turn out you know

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what have you got to lose so

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i really just gave it my all um and

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really tried to learn

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in my own way in my own time about how

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everything works and

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i got to know the people at the studio

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as well you know not just

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from a level of you know telling them

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when their

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tasks were due or milestones and whatnot

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but actually you know getting to know

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them as people

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and um how these different individuals

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work together but so differently

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you know and so i that's what i really

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loved about being a producer was that

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the communication aspect and that like

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the human level of like i don't i'm not

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just going to be this person that tells

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you

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what to do where to go but actually like

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you know get amongst it

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okay wow that's crazy that's

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it's just it's insane because i've known

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a lot of people even myself where it's

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just like

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i don't know if i feel ready for that

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even though i've done a lot of different

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things

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i've never done it so you feel kind of

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nervous you get that pushback but it's

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like you got to try it

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to learn what it's like and infinitely

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yeah

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so going to the twitch how did you get

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that started you just started

449
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streaming started playing games and

450
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showing the world with like how did you

451
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get how did you get popular

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all right so uh i started streaming in

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january 2015

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so i've actually been doing it for six

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years now

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and we'll probably keep doing it till

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i'm elderly i suppose

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why not kind of weird yeah i mean

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at that stage i guess it'll be like

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normal we'll be like the first ones to

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be like elderly

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gaming personalities or whatever but

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that's really funny that'd be

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interesting you'd be in all ground would

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be like hey

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you guys ready to play some whatever

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yeah like your followers have

468
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followed you through since you know your

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conception you're all

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old you know i wonder

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oh my goodness so for me you know i

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started with destiny

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and you know disney came out september

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2014 so it was kind of new

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um especially on twitch and i just grew

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a community there

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and uh i don't know i guess at the time

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there wasn't many new zealand streamers

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as well so i had the advantage of

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an interesting accent um of course um

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i was a female which we don't have like

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a leg up but

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um it does it can help you know on a

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platform that's majority of male viewers

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you know

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so you know from all these different

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angles you know i was just getting a lot

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of followers a lot of viewers

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and i really built up a really special

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community

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and so from then i just decided you know

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what you know i was getting about a

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thousand viewers it was actually going

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really successful

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but then i wanted to to go to variety it

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was just i couldn't play

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this one game like day in day out day in

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day out anymore

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even if it meant money you know i that's

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just me i i

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have to be authentic uh to my core when

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i can

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and so when i did that you know um my

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viewership went down but then it

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gradually built back up and then my

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community was just

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this more like well-rounded community of

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uh different

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interests but they could all come

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together to watch me play whatever game

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that i wanted

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and uh in new zealand you know being in

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a small country

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and at the time one of the very few

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twitch streamers that was

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at that level of success i got media

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attention um

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you know i was on a lot of articles i

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was on some news channels

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um and it was just it was just really

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great that helped really elevate me and

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the

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um american saturated market

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and uh yeah no it's just i'm so thrilled

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that i've had such a successful twitch

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career

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and um but you know now i really just

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want to

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uh do that as a as a hobby and not rely

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on it for money and

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just get started with my gaming studio

532
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that makes sense

533
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now when you got media attention on the

534
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news how did that feel like you were

535
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like i'm famous now yeah

536
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,240
yeah it was uh it was crazy uh

537
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it's kind of you know my first sort of

538
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media attention was in the local

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newspaper

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my dad actually uh he yeah

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he wrote it it was called the hawke's

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bay today

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and they he wrote in and then they

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contacted me and did a piece on me

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00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:05,919
and you know from there then other wider

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news outlets in the country were like

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hey like we want to do a piece on this

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00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,919
girl and so that's sort of how it like

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dominoed into

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into what it uh became for me and uh

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yeah now i i know a lot of journalists

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you know

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it's just yeah it's it's crazy to think

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about

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that's insane just just by playing games

556
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you can become like this big

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thing because five not even like i don't

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know 23.

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like seven years ago eight years ago i

560
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was like there's no way people would be

561
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,640
paid to play games i just watched them

562
00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,960
on youtube for fun but now it's like

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literally there's community streamers

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and all this

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twitch community out here just people

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just sharing their experience just

567
00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:46,320
sharing games because not everybody can

568
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,280
play games

569
00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,640
they don't have the money to buy it or

570
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,000
some people just want to watch people

571
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,440
play it's more comforting or the

572
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,400
streamer themselves

573
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,600
helps them get through tough times like

574
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,039
happened to you and actually if i would

575
00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:57,120
like to get into at least how you

576
00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,200
how your mindset was during that hard

577
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,160
times and how you got through it

578
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,600
right wow so i guess those hard times

579
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760
like thinking back on it was very minor

580
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,120
i've been in some

581
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,160
uh worse times

582
00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,440
since then but you know from each

583
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,120
bedtime i've been through you know video

584
00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:19,360
games has always been there for me but

585
00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,280
i've always been there for myself as

586
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,400
well

587
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,799
and through each time you sort of learn

588
00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:25,600
about you know

589
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,320
how how best to get through it the next

590
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:28,880
time

591
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,960
uh in case you know something happens to

592
00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,919
you

593
00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:35,679
and um i guess that's yeah that's really

594
00:19:35,679 --> 00:19:38,400
video games is just like on the side of

595
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:38,880
that

596
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,880
um really but you know for example

597
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,200
um the biggest one in the last few years

598
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,400
was um

599
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,840
i got married to another twitch streamer

600
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,200
in america

601
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,320
and we have a child together and so i

602
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,320
moved my life over there with a newborn

603
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:56,960
baby

604
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,039
and it didn't work out unfortunately so

605
00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:00,799
i had to move all the way back to new

606
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:01,520
zealand

607
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,559
uh from from america that's tough i was

608
00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,840
yeah an eight month old uh and then

609
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,679
and then we've been separated for almost

610
00:20:09,679 --> 00:20:11,520
three years now so it's it's not too

611
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:12,720
recent but

612
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,159
that was really hard for me to go

613
00:20:14,159 --> 00:20:15,919
through as a solo parent

614
00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:18,480
and um you know at the time i was just a

615
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,480
twitch streamer um

616
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,960
grieving didn't really know what to do

617
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,559
and then i

618
00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:26,720
you know really just catapult myself

619
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,480
into game development

620
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,840
and three years on i'm here with my own

621
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,840
indie studio and i'm just like i'm just

622
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,880
so proud of myself

623
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,200
thank you yeah it's not easy doing what

624
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,480
you did but

625
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,400
you he did it and that's all that

626
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,600
matters

627
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,760
yeah i also want to hear a story about

628
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,520
your name the the twitch

629
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480
name you made it's laurie yeah how did

630
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:52,799
that

631
00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,159
hello so my first name's lorien

632
00:20:56,159 --> 00:20:59,200
and my family name is

633
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,960
lollipop lolly lol pup like there's

634
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,120
different variations of it so i thought

635
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,440
you know how can i combine lollipop

636
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,799
and my name so i came up with lorry pop

637
00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:17,760
or lori pops i guess yeah oh i love it

638
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,679
now for anybody who wanted to do like

639
00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:21,440
twitch streaming

640
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,280
like whether it's for just games or even

641
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,559
game development what

642
00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:28,480
advice would you give them um

643
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,880
i would say that twitch streaming is

644
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,080
actually a great segue to break into the

645
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,360
game development industry uh it really

646
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:39,120
is you know i don't think i could have

647
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,120
got to where i am without all the

648
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,120
networking and all the contacts and all

649
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,960
the the friends that i've made in the

650
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,400
industry you know

651
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,720
including video game studios and playing

652
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,640
video games uh for them and

653
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,120
and whatnot so it really is a great

654
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,080
segue but to get into twitch i would say

655
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,799
um just you know be yourself or offer

656
00:21:58,799 --> 00:21:59,760
the most unique

657
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,640
aspect of yourself um or if you're

658
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,320
someone that likes to put on a persona

659
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,840
that's fine but like really stick to

660
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:06,559
that

661
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,799
and be consistent in the video game that

662
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,200
you play i would say start off with one

663
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,559
so your community has one core interest

664
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:14,960
to

665
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,000
to come together and bond over and then

666
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,760
from there if you want to do variety

667
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,159
then

668
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:23,600
slowly branch out into variety also you

669
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,520
know networking i will say that again

670
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,400
networking is

671
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,280
so important and it is so valuable

672
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,360
especially if it's genuine networking

673
00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:32,480
not just you know

674
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,400
trying to trying to get a leg up in the

675
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,640
business you know making continuing

676
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,280
um but those are probably the core core

677
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,080
aspects

678
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,640
um of how i would say breaking into

679
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:43,200
twitch

680
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,200
um game development wise you know

681
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,480
there's a lot of community

682
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,039
and manager positions available in game

683
00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:50,720
dev now and a lot of people

684
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,480
from the twitch scene are actually

685
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,720
stepping over into these roles

686
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,200
um so i would recommend that as well you

687
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,039
know just getting amongst that working

688
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:00,960
with these studios and

689
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,280
you know they most likely already know

690
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,799
who you are as well if you're a

691
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:06,720
successful streamer and so you've got

692
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,559
that sort of bonded respect there

693
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:09,440
already

694
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,480
um yeah i know it's um

695
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,000
my story is quite unique you know

696
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,760
there's not many twitch streamers that

697
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,720
have

698
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,880
gone this far into game development uh

699
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,240
or have been as

700
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,200
aspirational as i have so i don't really

701
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,799
have too many people to like

702
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,799
converse with about it but i do have a

703
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,039
few friends in community management so i

704
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:30,559
chat to them a lot

705
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,240
yeah you're unique and that's good

706
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,760
because it allows more people to follow

707
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,159
in your footsteps

708
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:38,720
yeah i do hope you know through it's

709
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,480
something i am with my twitch and my

710
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,919
online communities is i'm very

711
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:43,840
transparent about you know the

712
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,159
issues i face my adversities you know of

713
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:48,000
being a solo parent

714
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,320
and a woman in the industry as well i'm

715
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,000
very open about that stuff

716
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000
and uh you know i really care about

717
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,600
those uh human

718
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,400
to human sort of genuine interactions uh

719
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,279
where you can

720
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,760
you know inspire other people you they

721
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,039
could be like hey

722
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,120
this person's going through this i don't

723
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,039
feel as alone you know i'm all about

724
00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:08,799
that sort of thing so

725
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,039
yeah this just felt like a natural step

726
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:11,919
for me to take

727
00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:14,400
making a studio that's inclusive diverse

728
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:14,960
and

729
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,720
focused on accessibility

730
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,240
now the studio how did this come about

731
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,880
so uh when i was sort of stagnant you

732
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,600
know it was during a covert lockdown

733
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,559
when redundancies were made at the

734
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,080
company and i sort of thought you know

735
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,520
where are my next steps

736
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,440
and once i decided you know what i want

737
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,120
to i want to

738
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:38,880
make an indie studio you know something

739
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,279
small something a bit humble

740
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:43,679
um and so i was like okay well what what

741
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:46,080
can i name this company that is

742
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,360
a representative representative of

743
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,799
being inclusive um and so i thought him

744
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,320
and i just sort of brainstormed for a

745
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,679
while and i was like

746
00:24:55,679 --> 00:25:01,840
well everyone likes pie and then

747
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,240
you know people people like food they

748
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,480
like pie so i was like huh

749
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,480
and then i tried to like uh search

750
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,520
different words for

751
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,200
uh different colors you know and

752
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,720
chromatic um

753
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,039
is one of those words that encompasses

754
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:16,000
um

755
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,240
different uh color spectrums and and

756
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,799
whatnot um so i was like okay well

757
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,760
chromatic pie rolls off the tongue yes

758
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,440
and so i had a vision in my head for the

759
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,159
logo at that point and i was like huh i

760
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:30,080
want to you know give this to somebody

761
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,799
to create

762
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:33,840
pixel art her name is cast pixel on

763
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,679
twitter at car's pixel

764
00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:38,159
and i reached out to her and she's um

765
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:39,279
lgbtq

766
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,760
plus as well and so i just felt like

767
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,679
this perfect fit and what she came up

768
00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:45,679
with was just like the spinning image of

769
00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:47,679
what i had in my head and it just

770
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:49,760
it just really clicked and so it just

771
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,279
yeah it had to be

772
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,440
all encompassing of the the company's

773
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,120
vision

774
00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,120
so that vision you had is exactly what

775
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,679
you have nowadays with the uh

776
00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:02,559
red yellow green blue purple pie we're

777
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,799
all slices from the same place

778
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,159
yeah yeah that's exactly it

779
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:10,720
thank you no problem and then i saw you

780
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,520
also uh

781
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,120
made a real version of it that is

782
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,159
incredible

783
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:19,919
so what type of pie is it is it

784
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:23,039
is made from it's made from sago and

785
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:24,240
custard

786
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,799
so if you don't know what sega is uh

787
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:28,559
it's i guess it's

788
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:30,000
you know everyone knows what rice but

789
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,720
you know what rice pudding is yeah

790
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,400
yeah so it's kind of got the same

791
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,919
texture as rice pudding

792
00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:38,559
except it's sago and it's um it's a

793
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:40,720
similar texture to rice you know it's

794
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,120
sort of

795
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,760
uh it's sort of firm but sort of soft at

796
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,000
the same time and so and it's flavorless

797
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,880
so

798
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,799
yeah say go and custard i wanted to make

799
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:50,880
sure it was like bulky like the picture

800
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,279
and uh yeah no it just sort of came to

801
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,320
life it was

802
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,760
you know i thought it would be a neat

803
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,440
launching thing you know to have it on

804
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,120
the website at launch

805
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,880
yeah that's awesome i was like no way

806
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,480
you made the pie come to life

807
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,000
now how long did it take you to make the

808
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,440
pie come to light like did you spend

809
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,960
time like studying recipes

810
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,640
or did you already like do you bake a

811
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,919
lot so did you really know how to like

812
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:11,120
make a pie

813
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,400
i i don't do a lot of baking um but

814
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,000
you know i was thinking back to the time

815
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,360
i made my very first pumpkin pie

816
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,960
you know because uh america yes

817
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,320
so i was like you know what if i can

818
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,159
make pumpkin pie for the first time i

819
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:28,559
think i can experiment with this so

820
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,679
i think for me you know i the blog

821
00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:34,000
is actually on the website creditpie.com

822
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,840
i actually have listed you know how the

823
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,559
steps and

824
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,120
what i did to make the pie and my my

825
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,880
three-year-old son helped me which was

826
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,080
incredible

827
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,600
um but yeah i know i was just

828
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,120
experimenting it took a two to

829
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,360
a few different tries with a friend as

830
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,960
well to get it right

831
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,760
and uh yeah i finally just just landed

832
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,080
on

833
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,440
a decent one but

834
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,720
yeah it was it was fun yeah and then how

835
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,320
did you get the colors to be

836
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,159
perfect like that because i would

837
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,159
imagine i had to mix them in different

838
00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:06,080
walls yeah i had to like

839
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,919
segregate their colors into different

840
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:09,360
bowls and add in

841
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,919
the right amount of food coloring and

842
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:13,520
and then just carefully like

843
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,640
make them into like this circle i have

844
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,159
an eye for detail so

845
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:21,200
this really helped me in this regard

846
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,240
oh i see you made one version it just

847
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,679
didn't look like the way you wanted to

848
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:28,480
work out yeah yeah

849
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,399
wow that's that's unique

850
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:34,640
that's amazing i want to try some now so

851
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,679
like you're saying this soon they're

852
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:36,799
going to have over like

853
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,520
you can buy some or just just to make

854
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,200
the recipe for all the recipes that was

855
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,399
just like a

856
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:44,399
novelty thing you know something fun to

857
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:46,720
put out there that would make people

858
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,480
uh interested yeah wow

859
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,960
so then you started the the chromatic

860
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,520
pie

861
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,039
in october of last year right yes yes

862
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,240
so what was the process like leading up

863
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,039
to that moment

864
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,840
like the technical stuff so you came up

865
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,880
with your idea

866
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,000
what did you do next um

867
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,360
so i i didn't launch the studio

868
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,320
without having a game in mind so what i

869
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,440
did was

870
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,679
really just try to detail as much as i

871
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:19,919
can about a video game idea

872
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:23,200
and really just go through and make sure

873
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:23,919
that

874
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:25,440
it's something that i'm happy with

875
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,120
before i can hand it off to

876
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,640
uh developers to to bring it to life so

877
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,880
so that is something i worked on there

878
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,200
writing some documentation but also you

879
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,679
know the business side of things like

880
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:40,559
incorporating the company uh getting

881
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,960
those bank accounts up and running

882
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,679
um you know my my accountant that does

883
00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:46,960
all my lorry pops

884
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,640
uh content creation stuff he's doing my

885
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,640
chromatic pie stuff and he's just

886
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,399
absolutely amazing so

887
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:56,240
you know i made sure that i i set all

888
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,399
these important things up you know but

889
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:01,440
pretty base level uh business stuff

890
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,960
and so i did that and yeah

891
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,039
i guess you know just making sure the

892
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,559
website was up and running i tried to

893
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:09,679
make the website uh

894
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:11,600
as accessible as possible i tried to

895
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,000
make it um easy to read

896
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,200
easy to to navigate and i was actually

897
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,880
really surprised because you know i

898
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,640
didn't have any help with the website's

899
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,799
design i just went on squarespace and

900
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,799
picked a layout and then adjusted it

901
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:26,320
from there

902
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,440
but when i went onto this accessibility

903
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,000
tool website you actually enter in your

904
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,520
website and it tells you how

905
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,279
accessible it is and where you need to

906
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,760
improve so i actually got i think a 97

907
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,039
percent rating

908
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:43,360
um and yeah so i was like wow like i

909
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,080
actually

910
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,200
you know my um my intuition really

911
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,600
paid off there i you know i did it all

912
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,320
quite well

913
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,320
um so i was really proud of that you

914
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,159
know and just yeah making sure i had all

915
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,240
these things done like the the fun thing

916
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,760
like the pie

917
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,799
um and i've got some hats as well

918
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,519
some keratic pie caps and bucket hats

919
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:04,320
too

920
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,080
so i was just yeah organizing quite a

921
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,679
few things behind the scene to

922
00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:11,840
make the launch as as impressionable as

923
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,279
possible

924
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,760
oh i see you get the cp bucket head and

925
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,399
the cp brush cotton cap

926
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:20,080
for the two different hats that's so

927
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,039
cool that's awesome

928
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,240
i need to get myself one there

929
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,880
so i see you also so the game you work

930
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,679
on is a unity 2d platform game

931
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:34,960
yes details

932
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,760
are just keeping it all secret yeah it's

933
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,039
a secret for now

934
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,919
uh so yeah it is a 2d pixel platformer

935
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:43,120
on unity

936
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,240
um it is

937
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,840
yeah i don't really know how much i can

938
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,440
say about it without

939
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,000
without giving it away i would say that

940
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,720
it isn't

941
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,080
like any other platformer um

942
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,360
that you know of or that you've played a

943
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,320
specifically designed a core element and

944
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,000
actually two core elements of the game

945
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600
this is what you want but you know when

946
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,880
you're

947
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,440
in the game design you want it to uh be

948
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,799
different from

949
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,000
other games and to some degree so i've

950
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,760
got two core elements that'll really

951
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,559
make people

952
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,559
think you know wow this is interesting

953
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:19,600
well that's really

954
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,679
that's really fun while this works out

955
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,440
really good you know so that was really

956
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,200
important to me to make the game

957
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,440
um stand out from the crowd and have a

958
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,039
chance of of being

959
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,039
more successful than it would if it was

960
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,240
just another

961
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,760
2d platformer yeah and then for the

962
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,919
development team is it how many people

963
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:39,679
is it or

964
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:43,120
yeah is

965
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,720
would you be surprised it's just me

966
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,120
right now

967
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,640
so i've done everything right now

968
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,159
however um

969
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,399
i have been in talks with uh two

970
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,159
investors that are really interested in

971
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:55,519
coming on board

972
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,080
that is another thing you know indeed

973
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,679
and these studios really struggle with

974
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:00,399
finding

975
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:04,240
funding um and finding

976
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,000
you know just that support that you

977
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,399
really need so i've been lucky with my

978
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:10,559
with my social media presence and status

979
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:12,320
and a lot of people

980
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,399
know about being new zealand and

981
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,399
overseas as well

982
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:18,960
and you know an investor one of the

983
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,799
first investors that found me

984
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,840
found me on twitch and he just tuned in

985
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,320
to

986
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,600
watch my uh the last of us part two

987
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,679
uh gameplay and what i thought of the

988
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:31,279
game and i just happened to be talking

989
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,519
about chromatic pie at the time

990
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:34,720
and then he reached out to me on

991
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,799
linkedin and then we started talking

992
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,240
and you know those sort of things are

993
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,320
like crazy you know like what if he

994
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,760
tuned in at a different time i would

995
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,039
have missed that opportunity

996
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,640
uh completely you know that's like

997
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,600
yeah yeah it definitely is so so that

998
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,360
was sort of how that came about

999
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,880
and i knew that my business

1000
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,480
uh was unique from all others you know

1001
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,480
from conception what it's all about the

1002
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,399
logo the name and everything

1003
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:04,799
i knew that i could grab attention from

1004
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:05,600
current you know

1005
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480
future investors that way um also with

1006
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,079
my status in the country and

1007
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:13,200
globally in the industry and so another

1008
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,760
investor uh which i i won't name any of

1009
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,320
them

1010
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,760
but the second investor that's

1011
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,599
interested is from america and i've

1012
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:20,560
known

1013
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,599
them for a very long time and

1014
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,079
you know they're entrepreneurs and you

1015
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,119
just never know

1016
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,839
where your contacts are gonna like link

1017
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:30,879
into each other

1018
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:34,240
or anything like that but i've actually

1019
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:37,599
enrolled myself into an incubation

1020
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:38,399
program

1021
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,560
a business incubation program that goes

1022
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,440
for uh

1023
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,919
three months to 12 months so i'm really

1024
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:45,520
just trying to do all these things

1025
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,159
myself

1026
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,440
to make sure that um i have enough money

1027
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,560
to hire people

1028
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,200
when the time comes that i can be a good

1029
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,000
boss

1030
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
that i can really lift up the company

1031
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,839
and ensure its success

1032
00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:00,400
and so yeah i really needed to do all

1033
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,040
this

1034
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,760
ground level work first before i could

1035
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,119
get anybody else on board with me

1036
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:08,560
oh yeah that's key because you need to

1037
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,160
make sure you're all set and prepared to

1038
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,920
launch your business to success and

1039
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,960
that's another thing

1040
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,880
for any all the students listening that

1041
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,079
like you must

1042
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:17,839
focus on the small things you don't

1043
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:19,119
think it's important but it becomes

1044
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:20,240
important like

1045
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,320
lawyers um having like legal stuff

1046
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,119
taking care of the bank accounts

1047
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:26,560
the logo on the website all other stuff

1048
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,240
is like cool and nice but there's a lot

1049
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,599
of like different things too that's

1050
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,680
really important and then you know

1051
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,200
you're killing it so

1052
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,280
congratulations yeah i do want to say

1053
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,280
that um you know

1054
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,760
game developers uh you know they can

1055
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,480
make

1056
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,960
amazing games but they don't always make

1057
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,160
great business people

1058
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,880
or great managers or great studio owners

1059
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,240
so that's one thing i really want to

1060
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,320
emphasize is you really need to educate

1061
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,560
yourself on how to run a business

1062
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640
um doesn't matter how talented you are

1063
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,760
at

1064
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,599
making a game you really need to get the

1065
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,280
business side so for me

1066
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,160
business side comes more naturally to me

1067
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:02,640
and

1068
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,160
game development is more secondary so

1069
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,760
yeah i would say that nice and so for

1070
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,359
with the little bit that you are doing

1071
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:13,920
are you like doing the game design part

1072
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:14,320
of it

1073
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,480
planning out blah blah blah making

1074
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,839
prototypes drawing stuff

1075
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:19,119
or you just come up at the end and

1076
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:20,320
eventually going to get everyone else to

1077
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,079
like build your vision

1078
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:23,920
i've written some because i was a

1079
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,119
producer for the

1080
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,119
design department you know as i said

1081
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,119
like i hold on to things and i'm like a

1082
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,240
sponge so

1083
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:34,079
um i saw you know the documentation um

1084
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:35,839
the you know the prototypes that they

1085
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:37,359
had made you know

1086
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:40,000
just everything um i really took it on

1087
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,920
board and so i'm doing

1088
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,640
uh what i can outside of the unity

1089
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,240
engine at the moment

1090
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,119
so once i hire people they will be

1091
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,560
actually creating the prototype

1092
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,280
for me on a contract um and then we'll

1093
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,520
go and secure more funding if we haven't

1094
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,000
already

1095
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,240
and then i'll officially employ them if

1096
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,160
they want to stay on board

1097
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,640
and then hire like a wider team so

1098
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,000
that's sort of my game plan at the

1099
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,920
moment but as far as the game design

1100
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,800
goes

1101
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,440
uh you know i've designed the the sort

1102
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,079
of

1103
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,480
vision for the intro of the game the

1104
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,680
cutscenes

1105
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,880
uh the first uh narration of the game

1106
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,839
and you know who you interact with as a

1107
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:22,000
player first and i've i've sort of laid

1108
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,079
out their vision so it's easy to sort of

1109
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,359
uh pivot off

1110
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:27,520
when it does come to putting it um into

1111
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,280
a prototype

1112
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,599
wow that's incredible and for anybody

1113
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,040
who doesn't really understand

1114
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,760
like the process that it takes how long

1115
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,520
has have you been like designing this

1116
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,440
game and it's been in your mind and

1117
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,920
and then how do you well first answer

1118
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,800
that and we'll get to

1119
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,839
a little bit more into it okay so as of

1120
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:46,720
this year

1121
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,920
i've gone full time into working on the

1122
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,880
business

1123
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,920
last year was more sort of part-time

1124
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,760
um you know because last year was quite

1125
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,680
tough for everybody and i was still

1126
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,839
streaming and whatnot so

1127
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:03,839
um i would say from

1128
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:06,000
oh i don't really know exactly when i

1129
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,680
started designing my game

1130
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,359
i had a game idea that had the same core

1131
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:13,760
mechanics but the story was different

1132
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,640
and i decided that i needed to iterate

1133
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,440
on the story

1134
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,280
it was actually going to be about uh

1135
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,720
mental health

1136
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,119
and so i thought you know what that's

1137
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:24,000
actually

1138
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,079
i want to do that sometime but i think

1139
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,320
as a first title it's probably a bit too

1140
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,119
much

1141
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:30,960
um you know those shoes are really big

1142
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,119
to fill and you have to do it right so i

1143
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,160
sort of was like okay i'll bench that

1144
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560
for another game and then i decided to

1145
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400
make a different story revolving around

1146
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,839
these core mechanics again

1147
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:44,160
and then i was so much happier with this

1148
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,359
design so

1149
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,520
there has been a second iteration of the

1150
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,640
game already

1151
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,240
um that just you know this year i'm

1152
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,119
hoping to

1153
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:56,160
get the prototype done around about

1154
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,520
mid-year

1155
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,960
and i'm aiming to release the game 2023

1156
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,920
possibly 2024 so just spend it at two or

1157
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,359
three years of the game

1158
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:08,000
um you know for chromatic pie i don't

1159
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,480
see

1160
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,839
the studio turning into a big um

1161
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:15,359
realistic graphics uh big aaa

1162
00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:18,640
sort of sort of company i want to work

1163
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,440
on

1164
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,640
smaller games so the company can work on

1165
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,680
different ips

1166
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,800
at the same time and

1167
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,720
yeah hopefully raking more money that

1168
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,480
way than you know spending

1169
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,200
five to six seven eight years on one

1170
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:33,920
title

1171
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,000
you know that's pretty tough it's pretty

1172
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,280
tough on the team

1173
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,720
and i i am so wowed by the companies

1174
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,160
that that do that

1175
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960
but i've also seen the the struggles and

1176
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,640
the many struggles

1177
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560
of you know going through that so for me

1178
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,720
i want to have small teams working on

1179
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,079
smaller games

1180
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,200
um and yet run the company that way

1181
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,800
that's smart we have a saying in this

1182
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,880
podcast where it's like don't make wow

1183
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,520
don't make the biggest thing possible

1184
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,800
make small games

1185
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,359
and then eventually you can make that

1186
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:05,839
yeah

1187
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,880
just down the line yeah yeah exactly

1188
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,359
and so then when you're now designing

1189
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:12,640
and thinking about this game do you have

1190
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:13,359
like

1191
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:16,319
as like a setup that you have to design

1192
00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:17,920
the game like do you have like a board

1193
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,440
nodes flow charts yeah so

1194
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,720
yep so i have a whiteboard which i laid

1195
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:25,280
out

1196
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,319
my sort of uh the steps to

1197
00:40:28,319 --> 00:40:31,599
the game's completion and then involved

1198
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,440
in the earlier days like launching the

1199
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,319
website

1200
00:40:34,319 --> 00:40:37,359
um completing the business plan uh you

1201
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:38,000
know all these

1202
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,319
little all this this little road map of

1203
00:40:40,319 --> 00:40:41,440
those sort of things

1204
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,920
um so i'm a visual person and i need to

1205
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,359
you know have that sort of

1206
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:47,119
vision that's that's always there for me

1207
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,839
to look at uh so i had that i've also

1208
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:51,359
got a compendium

1209
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:54,400
that's filled with you know my ideas

1210
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,160
meeting notes from the meetings that i

1211
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,720
have being a producer you know i've

1212
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,200
i really learned a lot of skills with

1213
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,280
taking down notes and referring to them

1214
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,480
later

1215
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,800
so i found that yeah compendium was very

1216
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,000
helpful

1217
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,040
um what else have i got i've got a book

1218
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,800
it's actually just like a i don't know

1219
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,319
if i have it here with me at the moment

1220
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:14,880
but

1221
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,319
it's just like a a 2b 2b

1222
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:20,720
i think a red book and i just scribbled

1223
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,400
in it all these game ideas you know on

1224
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,160
every single page just like leaving my

1225
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,040
brain just like

1226
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,640
fight to the paper and um

1227
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,880
nice and so like that really helped me

1228
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,040
like just get all the creativity out and

1229
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,960
then from there i put it into like a

1230
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,960
more tidier format

1231
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,160
um so i am someone that doesn't really

1232
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,160
like to

1233
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,400
write all my ideas digitally from the

1234
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,240
get go i'm more of someone that likes

1235
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,720
pencil and paper you know pen on paper

1236
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,000
and then yeah go from there um

1237
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
you know i mean the kids these days that

1238
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,520
are growing up they're gonna be more

1239
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,800
digital you know

1240
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,640
put it all in there but for me you know

1241
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,280
i it helps my creativity when i hold

1242
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,040
like a pin in my hand

1243
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,599
um and you know i've got a uh a

1244
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:06,720
microsoft

1245
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,480
uh laptop that microsoft kindly uh

1246
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,599
gifted to me

1247
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,000
for the use of chromatic pie which was

1248
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:14,720
amazing

1249
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,359
thank you again if you're listening but

1250
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:18,319
so i use that

1251
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:21,119
as a as a dedicated uh device for

1252
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:22,880
chromatic pie and it's strong enough to

1253
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,520
run

1254
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,880
unity it comes off as a tablet as well

1255
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,520
uh so i can draw on it and it's just

1256
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,000
yeah

1257
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,520
yeah you really need to surround

1258
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,319
yourself with um these different

1259
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,520
um pieces that allow you to incorporate

1260
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,040
them separately

1261
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,680
um and put them into a computer when

1262
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,839
you're done

1263
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,119
and do you have anything running on

1264
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,200
unity yet like a little like

1265
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,040
little moving flick blob

1266
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,280
yeah so i i we i started learning about

1267
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,240
unity

1268
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,800
uh last year because the studio i worked

1269
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,800
at worked inside unreal

1270
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,200
so unity was something new for me but i

1271
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,480
i knew that

1272
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,280
working on a platformer in unity was was

1273
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,280
quite beneficial

1274
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,640
so i went through their sort of

1275
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,960
tutorials and at the moment i'm still

1276
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,920
um gaining a deeper understanding on how

1277
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,319
to

1278
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:18,800
uh how to work it there's a youtube

1279
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,240
channel called bracky's

1280
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:21,520
i don't know if you know that youtube

1281
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,079
channel yeah so they've been super

1282
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:24,720
helpful

1283
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,560
and they made a video i think a few

1284
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,920
months ago or something that they're

1285
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,200
like they're gone they're like goodbye

1286
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,520
i was like no i can use you

1287
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,520
yeah but you know there's heaps on there

1288
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,400
so i'm all about uh self

1289
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,480
you know teaching yourself uh motivating

1290
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,440
yourself

1291
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,359
um actually another important aspect i

1292
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:46,960
didn't tell you uh

1293
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,960
with you know starting chromatic pies

1294
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,640
i've actually been listening to a lot of

1295
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,520
audio books

1296
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,640
on uh entrepreneurship and on business

1297
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,200
and on

1298
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,680
um finally really who's your favorite or

1299
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,079
what's your favorite book

1300
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,040
so most of them are uh written by women

1301
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,480
and they're read by women because i

1302
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,520
really do want to

1303
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,880
listen you know and feel related to

1304
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,240
in that regard so i don't i i've got my

1305
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,440
phone in here i'll have to

1306
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,200
reference to my phone because my memory

1307
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,000
is uh is not the best

1308
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,040
it's all good so i've listened to

1309
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,400
uh unapologetically ambitious by shelly

1310
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,240
archambault

1311
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,319
the entrepreneur roller coaster by

1312
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:30,000
darren hardy that was written by

1313
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,599
a male um culture wins by

1314
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:37,280
william van der blumen so i've listened

1315
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,720
to quite a few and also some on just

1316
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,319
video games and making video games in

1317
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:44,240
general and they're super helpful

1318
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,800
you know they're just i think people

1319
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,680
should really

1320
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,319
turn to self-help i don't know is there

1321
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:51,599
a stigma around like

1322
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,280
self-help you know that it doesn't

1323
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,640
actually work because

1324
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,440
i feel like that it's true but for me

1325
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,680
like i've actually absorbed everything

1326
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,319
as much as i can and it's it's great

1327
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,400
yeah you're like my life is awesome i

1328
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,760
don't know

1329
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,319
but it's working for me no i self-help

1330
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:09,839
is interesting because it

1331
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:12,640
it does work it essentially i think

1332
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,079
self-help

1333
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,800
is what they teach you is pretty much

1334
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,599
that's it like

1335
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,160
so if one person tells you well you know

1336
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,359
how to do this it's not

1337
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:23,119
you don't need to read 30 or 40 other

1338
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,000
books because they're all going to

1339
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,119
basically tell you the same thing in

1340
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:25,920
their own way

1341
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,200
so i think that's where the stigma comes

1342
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,079
where it's just like you get in the

1343
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,599
cycle you keep reading the same thing

1344
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:30,960
over and over and you feel motivated but

1345
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
it's like all right you got the message

1346
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,520
now go make it happen go do your thing

1347
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,079
whoever

1348
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,160
told you doesn't matter but just go i

1349
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,680
think that's where the signal comes from

1350
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,280
and just disunderstand and the whole

1351
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,119
gurus online there's a lot of people

1352
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:43,760
online

1353
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,200
who destroy the self-help image they

1354
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,880
don't know what they're talking about or

1355
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,560
are they just starting their careers and

1356
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,599
it's like maybe

1357
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,359
you shouldn't be the one telling me how

1358
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,040
to get my life

1359
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,480
like so that's where the stigma i think

1360
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,000
comes from but i i think it works

1361
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,040
perfectly fine

1362
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,480
and then actually this is another good

1363
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,520
book you should read it's called

1364
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,000
undaunted by characters

1365
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,520
i've been thinking about picking that

1366
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,440
one up yeah you sure it's amazing

1367
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,960
it's it's incredible she's an amazing

1368
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,480
person actually i did the podcaster

1369
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,599
yesterday

1370
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,880
where we talked about yeah so again she

1371
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,160
just has this

1372
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,400
uh mentality of just like whatever is in

1373
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,520
front of me that's okay

1374
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,520
i will get through it this might not

1375
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,440
work what can we do and that's one of my

1376
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,079
favorite quotes

1377
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,680
look it's like yeah you're right like

1378
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,440
okay this obstacles in my way i can't do

1379
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,160
this

1380
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,640
but what can i do besides all that what

1381
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,640
can we do to go around it to make it

1382
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,440
happen because

1383
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440
why not let's just let's see what

1384
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,119
happens you can try she says

1385
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:38,880
the one thing that really is important

1386
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,640
to her and what everybody should like

1387
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,040
take from the podcast is just try

1388
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,280
just try it just try that studio you

1389
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,720
want to make just try to make that game

1390
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,920
just try to do that

1391
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,920
to get la's just try you'll never know

1392
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,359
what could happen you might succeed if

1393
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:52,400
you don't you learn

1394
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,440
you do when you learn exactly so that's

1395
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,720
what i take from self-help and it's

1396
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:57,839
helped me too like i

1397
00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:00,319
i don't know what to tell people i know

1398
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:01,040
i'm sorry

1399
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,800
to work for you i mean i didn't spend

1400
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,480
like ten thousand dollars on things so

1401
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,680
that might be the thing too

1402
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,359
i just buy the books and then listen to

1403
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:09,200
the free stuff online and

1404
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,079
so yep exactly yeah no it's um they've

1405
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:12,400
been

1406
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,480
extremely valuable and i think i will

1407
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,000
always listen you know i've got the

1408
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,040
monthly

1409
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,240
um audible um

1410
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,480
ship uh what do you call it um

1411
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,280
subscription

1412
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,359
so i'm always going to be reading

1413
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,359
because of that

1414
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,359
i love reading reading is so much fun

1415
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:30,720
you learn so much

1416
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,079
i feel like nobody reads anymore i don't

1417
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,079
know if that's just me but i don't know

1418
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,400
well for me i listen to the audiobook so

1419
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,480
i can like do my dishes like i have to

1420
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,319
multitask i don't want to like

1421
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,640
i can't sit still for too long like i'm

1422
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,880
always like moving my hand or my leg or

1423
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,000
something so

1424
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,520
i love listening to audio books because

1425
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,760
i can like do something else at the same

1426
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,000
time

1427
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:53,920
so how do you like stay put when you

1428
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,839
twitch streaming do you just like how

1429
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:58,800
long do you twist before

1430
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,240
um possibly i think nowadays between two

1431
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,599
and four hours at a time

1432
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,319
you know nothing too uh in my earlier

1433
00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:07,920
twitch streaming days

1434
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,319
i would do a 24 hour stream about once a

1435
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,000
week

1436
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,480
yeah and it was not good for my health

1437
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,280
no not

1438
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,079
at all you know it's not healthy you

1439
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,640
know it's not sustainable um

1440
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,400
so again do i stream for shorter than

1441
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,480
this

1442
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,800
how'd you stay put when you're doing

1443
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,800
twitch streams you just like in the flow

1444
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,240
focus yeah you know i do i

1445
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,839
i shift myself on my seat sometimes i

1446
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:38,319
i get sore knees you know if i sit for

1447
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,000
too long so i am

1448
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480
yeah so i have to like uh what i'm doing

1449
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,160
right now is i've got my legs on one of

1450
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,400
my computers underneath the desk

1451
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,640
stretching out so yeah you know that's

1452
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,079
just it's just me

1453
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,040
um a lot of people are like that as some

1454
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,079
can just like stay

1455
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,559
still for hours on ends and i'm like how

1456
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,359
do you do that

1457
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,800
yeah it's hard i i have a little thing

1458
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,960
for my feet to like raise me up so i can

1459
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,359
stay

1460
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:08,160
comfortable but it's tough i don't know

1461
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,000
because i see this chair like most of my

1462
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,640
day

1463
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,520
so yeah

1464
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,760
those standing deaths are pretty good

1465
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,599
but i don't know if i

1466
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,920
i'd probably like switch it up like five

1467
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,400
times a day and be like

1468
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,079
it's too comfortable to like as much as

1469
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:25,440
it helps it's nice like

1470
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,720
i don't know there's just something nice

1471
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,880
about being like all right i'm in my

1472
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,760
chair

1473
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,440
i'm like it's like star trek i'm

1474
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,040
enterprise i'm in control

1475
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,000
i don't know yeah

1476
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,760
that's funny but yeah so let's see

1477
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,079
what that mentality you talk about being

1478
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:43,680
to self-help do you feel like that's

1479
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:44,000
something

1480
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,160
people can learn to grow into or is that

1481
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,800
something that's just like

1482
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,640
it's like what's the inner talk that

1483
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,079
goes through you that makes you be more

1484
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:53,040
optimistic because i feel like you're

1485
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,640
very optimistic go get a courageous

1486
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:55,839
person so like

1487
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:57,760
yes what goes through your mindset is it

1488
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,280
like hey this is not gonna work out and

1489
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,720
you're like no it is and then you go do

1490
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,000
it like

1491
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,839
but you're in a diary yeah you know i

1492
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:05,440
thought i've got a lot of fight

1493
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,480
in me um and i do like to exhaust my

1494
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,920
options so i know

1495
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,640
that they're exhausted you know if they

1496
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,839
if they don't work out

1497
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:16,880
so for example example when i moved to

1498
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,599
usa you know i before i moved over there

1499
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,119
with my son

1500
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,040
i was like you know what i don't want to

1501
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,400
leave my family

1502
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,000
i don't want to feel alone you know all

1503
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,520
these things and

1504
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,440
i don't want to you know leave this

1505
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,119
person

1506
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,200
so i was just like you know what i just

1507
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,400
need to go

1508
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,400
because i might regret it later on if i

1509
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,559
don't and so i went

1510
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,680
and it didn't work out and it was

1511
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,240
horrible but i don't regret it and i i

1512
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:47,359
learnt so much

1513
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,920
and it's sort of the same attitude that

1514
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,960
i took with me

1515
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,920
so i moved back to my mother's place

1516
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,079
when i moved back from america

1517
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,480
i did previously have my own apartment

1518
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,520
but someone else

1519
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,680
moved in unfortunately so i went back to

1520
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,200
my mom's

1521
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,200
and then i got my job in community

1522
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,119
management and being a producer and i

1523
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:08,079
actually moved

1524
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,400
so i moved to where i am now called

1525
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,280
wellington

1526
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,280
and i have no family here it's just me

1527
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,359
and my son and so i moved here not

1528
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:16,960
knowing many people

1529
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,160
um making friends at the studio i was at

1530
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,480
and so you know i i am quite brave in

1531
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,160
that regard and i've sort of

1532
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,559
you know come up with this this attitude

1533
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:27,520
and this

1534
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,079
this way of life where you just need to

1535
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,280
you need to do the thing

1536
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,119
you know for me it's a matter of

1537
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,520
securing a good life for my son and for

1538
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,240
myself

1539
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:37,760
and you know doing something i'm

1540
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,440
passionate about and

1541
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,960
there's nothing that could really get in

1542
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,040
my way to to achieve that so it really

1543
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,280
depends on like how badly you

1544
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,800
you want something how badly you're

1545
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,880
envisioning it

1546
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,040
so self-help books when i first started

1547
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,920
listening to them

1548
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,559
that and uh their inner voice for me was

1549
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:54,960
like

1550
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,200
uh these people are strangers you know

1551
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,079
they're telling you

1552
00:51:58,079 --> 00:51:59,839
what to do because you're not doing it

1553
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:01,119
right you know

1554
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,119
and so like that's it that's a natural

1555
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,359
response to have but you do get past

1556
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:07,440
that and then you become more like open

1557
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,079
to

1558
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,359
others perspectives experiences and it

1559
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:13,280
makes you just a better like

1560
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,800
all-around person and so that's really

1561
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,440
why i

1562
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,040
do enjoy listening to them yeah i think

1563
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,800
everybody should at least like

1564
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,720
surround themselves with something

1565
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,720
self-help-ish whether it's motivational

1566
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,119
videos or inspiration or audiobooks

1567
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:30,960
because i also kind of like that quote

1568
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,559
where who you surround yourself is who

1569
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:33,520
you will be

1570
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,800
so if like let's say you're in a bad

1571
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,960
environment if you put on the headphones

1572
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,559
and put on positive stuff you're gonna

1573
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:39,680
feel better you're gonna

1574
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,680
you're gonna feel like in in fact you

1575
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,559
might even feel like those are your

1576
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:43,680
friends so you'll be like i wanna

1577
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,280
impress them i wanna be like them i

1578
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,160
don't want to let them down

1579
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,079
so you start to work on yourself start

1580
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,000
to take care of yourself better start to

1581
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,240
mentally think positive thoughts it's

1582
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,680
it's crazy what your environment can do

1583
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,880
you can put you in a negative place or a

1584
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,400
positive place so try to move yourself

1585
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,000
forward into a positive place exactly

1586
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,319
so when you learn you're learning unity

1587
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:03,680
right now what is the process like for

1588
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,880
you learning unity are you

1589
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,640
just like watching a video day you

1590
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,160
spending like tons of hours

1591
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,440
how do you effectively learn unity um

1592
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,000
as of this year i haven't learned too

1593
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,400
much i've been working on the studio

1594
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,520
since uh the 11th of january so

1595
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,960
i've already been full time for a little

1596
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,119
bit this year but for me

1597
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,760
um i started my process uh yeah just

1598
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,280
downloading it going through the

1599
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,599
tutorials unity is really great because

1600
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,680
you've got these uh different tutorials

1601
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,720
suited for

1602
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,559
how you want to use unity you know what

1603
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,960
kind of game do you want to make

1604
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,200
and so they've got a platformer tutorial

1605
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,119
that was really helpful to me so i've

1606
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:42,000
gone through that a few

1607
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,520
times and i do i'm a big person for

1608
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,119
doing something more than once you know

1609
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:49,040
if you really want to retain

1610
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,119
um what you're learning you need to do

1611
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:52,319
it more than once you

1612
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:53,680
need to do it multiple times so i'm

1613
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,680
doing that and also

1614
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,599
you know the brekkies videos um i'm also

1615
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,319
learning from other youtube people and

1616
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:04,880
the game dev scene as well

1617
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,200
um i really just yeah surround myself

1618
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,720
with these different people different

1619
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,319
mediums of

1620
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:13,440
uh ways to learn you know things that i

1621
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,839
i need i feel that i need to learn

1622
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:17,680
um so i'm really just trying to support

1623
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,040
myself in that manner but

1624
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,400
you know unity is going to take some

1625
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,319
time um i you know in my job role as a

1626
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:26,319
studio director and owner i'm not going

1627
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:28,559
to be inside unity a lot but i do feel

1628
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:29,920
it's important to have you know

1629
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,640
the a decent understanding of the engine

1630
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,280
that you are

1631
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,400
using um because if you don't then then

1632
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,880
what are you doing yeah exactly right

1633
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,240
you know

1634
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,680
that's literally so i'm not going full

1635
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,559
head but i am learning enough yeah

1636
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:45,599
yeah there's no self-help thing

1637
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,200
everywhere it's just like even if you're

1638
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,160
not going to

1639
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,400
i don't know how it was like leadership

1640
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,400
it's like if you're going to be a leader

1641
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:53,839
of somebody at least have an

1642
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:55,599
understanding of what they're doing so

1643
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:56,960
that way you can understand that

1644
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,319
the progress they're at like if somebody

1645
00:54:58,319 --> 00:54:59,920
says hey i need to like do this thing

1646
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:00,480
you're like

1647
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:01,520
i understand it's going to take you

1648
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,520
probably six hours instead of being like

1649
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,040
why don't you have it done or like get

1650
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:05,680
it's like no

1651
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,119
you have an understanding so you can

1652
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,119
better handle and lead your team

1653
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,119
towards you know build a better culture

1654
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,799
because of that so yeah

1655
00:55:12,799 --> 00:55:16,079
i agree yep exactly definitely

1656
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:18,960
so if anybody wanted to volunteer for

1657
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,079
let's say like to help you

1658
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,319
out what what is the process like that

1659
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,079
are you doing anything like that

1660
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:25,680
or you're just keeping it closed until

1661
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,400
you have all your investors

1662
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,200
um yeah for me it's you know i've got

1663
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,559
some friends that are interested in

1664
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:35,280
coming on board i've got one that wants

1665
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:35,680
to

1666
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,920
possibly be on the board of directors

1667
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:38,880
and he

1668
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,040
is he loves video games plays them but

1669
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,799
he's more of like you know the business

1670
00:55:42,799 --> 00:55:43,440
east side

1671
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,839
type of thing so i've had support from

1672
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:46,720
friends like that

1673
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:48,640
also other friends in the industry that

1674
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,280
are just you know an ear for me to

1675
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,359
to talk to and to bounce ideas off and

1676
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:57,040
it's it's really important to have that

1677
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,559
sort of support system whether they're

1678
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,319
going to be a co-founder or not you know

1679
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:01,760
you need to talk to people

1680
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,160
and and tell them what your plans are

1681
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,400
and if necessary you know get them to

1682
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,440
sign an nda

1683
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,359
if you're telling secrets or something

1684
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,040
oh yeah definitely be careful there

1685
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,319
yeah so those are those are really

1686
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:15,599
important um

1687
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,359
but yeah for me at the moment is just

1688
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:18,720
you know hopefully

1689
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,440
uh getting into their incubation program

1690
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,440
i'm doing the prerequisites right now

1691
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,880
so i can um so what they what they are

1692
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,799
they're called creative hq

1693
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,640
and uh here in wellington and they're a

1694
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,960
council funded

1695
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,599
startup sort of supporting program and

1696
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:36,240
so

1697
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,200
if i get into there with my business

1698
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,319
then they can

1699
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:43,440
help me find more funding um and they'll

1700
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,240
obviously like coach me on um making

1701
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,280
sure my business is gonna succeed and

1702
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,359
you know strategies and all that sort of

1703
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:53,440
thing that can really help me so

1704
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,000
yeah finding those avenues where you

1705
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,319
know you're going to benefit from

1706
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:01,760
um is extremely helpful and finding

1707
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,880
funding is not easy so just just try and

1708
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,680
try and stick at it yeah i like that

1709
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,599
advice about the funding

1710
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:11,040
now are you ever going to plan on doing

1711
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,720
like a chromatic

1712
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,920
pie discord or do you already have one i

1713
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,079
i do have one but i haven't made it

1714
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:18,960
public yet

1715
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,880
uh i haven't finished all the channels

1716
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,079
but yes i will be

1717
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,480
uh launching a chromatic pie discord

1718
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,599
there is also a

1719
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,640
reddit page as well so make sure i've

1720
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,359
got all the different social medias done

1721
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:34,480
ready and again i yeah well kind of i

1722
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,119
haven't

1723
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,040
made the reddit public either i'm sort

1724
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,040
of like okay once i make it public i'm

1725
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,280
to have to spend time maintaining it

1726
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,160
yeah true yeah

1727
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,540
it's going to be yeah

1728
00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:45,760
[Laughter]

1729
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,920
awesome okay and then so there's two

1730
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,960
more things

1731
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,400
one is what advice would you give

1732
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,079
anybody short advice because we already

1733
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:53,599
talked about mostly but for anybody just

1734
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,359
saying hey i want to start my studio i

1735
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:56,640
don't know where to go

1736
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,839
what's like something short you would

1737
00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,680
tell them

1738
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,799
um i would say you know um

1739
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:06,079
the way i did it was you know is it

1740
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,520
really what you want to do

1741
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,319
you know you once you become an

1742
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:12,960
entrepreneur you sort of have to

1743
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,319
uh dedicate time and effort and money

1744
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:19,359
even into you know

1745
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:21,119
starting up the business that you want

1746
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:22,400
to start up so

1747
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,839
you can't just start it and then walk

1748
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:25,680
away you know you have to be dedicated

1749
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,680
and motivated to do it so

1750
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,640
for me i had that uh from there you know

1751
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,599
finding a name

1752
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,559
for your business that stands out and

1753
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:35,839
from the others you know that

1754
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:36,799
encompasses

1755
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:39,760
uh your vision which i found was like a

1756
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,760
really neat amalgamation

1757
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,400
uh to make uh you know you can name your

1758
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,040
business

1759
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,200
like for example like uh jbl you know

1760
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,200
what does that mean i don't know what

1761
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,599
that means um but you know like there's

1762
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,640
you know juice box lovers

1763
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,720
yeah yeah well like you know so there's

1764
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,640
these names that can be catchy but they

1765
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,520
have no meaning

1766
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,640
so you know try and get a little bit

1767
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,559
crafty with it um

1768
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,200
which i found has really like benefited

1769
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,960
me in chromatic pie because people it

1770
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,559
can really relate uh

1771
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,440
to what it is um and then you know just

1772
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,960
yeah pushing forward and just being

1773
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,880
motivated helping yourself

1774
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,599
um don't be afraid to listen to other

1775
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,680
people's opinions or perspectives you

1776
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,640
know you need to bring those on board

1777
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,680
i'm actually going to be conducting some

1778
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:28,880
interviews next week

1779
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,559
with accessibility and representation

1780
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:35,680
so i'm interviewing people with uh um

1781
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,280
who are partially blind who have various

1782
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,599
disabilities and then also interviewing

1783
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:44,400
people in their lgbtq

1784
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,760
people of color and women and so

1785
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,920
what i've done is i've it's called an

1786
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,599
empathy interview

1787
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:53,440
so you've got these cards that you lay

1788
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,520
out and you name there

1789
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,400
for example i've named five facts and

1790
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,280
assumptions

1791
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,559
that lay out the problems the solutions

1792
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:03,359
the outcome

1793
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:06,799
and the value of the product or what

1794
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:07,920
you're trying to

1795
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,359
to achieve and so i'll be with what i've

1796
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:13,200
written down i'll be talking to these

1797
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,960
people with accessibility

1798
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,359
and and representation to really like

1799
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:18,480
nail down

1800
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,119
um if i have a really good idea on where

1801
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:22,720
i want to go and how to make

1802
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,960
the industry a a better place and how to

1803
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,640
make games more accessible

1804
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,400
so you know just exhaust all these

1805
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,400
different avenues that could really like

1806
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,240
launch yourself into being

1807
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,920
successful wow that's a lot and that's

1808
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:36,880
awesome

1809
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,520
sorry yeah no no it's all good there is

1810
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,640
a lie

1811
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,480
and then lastly i like to do a little

1812
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,920
challenge at the end because over the

1813
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,559
game

1814
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:48,319
courses have a challenge for the each

1815
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,640
lecture so what would your challenge be

1816
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,079
for all listeners listening could be

1817
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:53,520
related to

1818
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,040
being a studio it could be related to

1819
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,240
producing really it's whatever you want

1820
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,839
like would like it to be and you could

1821
01:00:57,839 --> 01:00:58,160
take

1822
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,760
as much time you need to think of a

1823
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,839
challenge

1824
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:06,319
a challenge um oof i would say

1825
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:09,520
oh can i mention audiobooks again

1826
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,240
yeah you can yeah that's perfect go read

1827
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,280
an audio book take

1828
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,040
like you know aim for one audio book

1829
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,040
a month you know to start off with aim

1830
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,160
for that um

1831
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,040
and the area that you want to learn from

1832
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:23,680
um

1833
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:24,799
you know i'll say that with like

1834
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:26,880
anything you know whether it's a youtube

1835
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,760
video

1836
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,000
and watch you know maybe one youtube

1837
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,359
video a week from

1838
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:34,640
uh something you want to learn about um

1839
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,240
honestly i'm just so like seated and

1840
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,119
just doing it yourself you can do it you

1841
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:41,680
know when

1842
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,799
i was smaller or even when my when my

1843
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:46,640
mum was my age you know

1844
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,079
our parents they didn't have what we

1845
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,160
have now you know they don't they didn't

1846
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,079
have the internet with youtube and

1847
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:55,359
all these different forums and advice

1848
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:58,240
and you know everything we're so lucky

1849
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,960
to grow up in this technological era so

1850
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,760
definitely make the the most of it um

1851
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:04,720
and learn

1852
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,000
where you can um i would say

1853
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
i don't know if i can name just just one

1854
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,680
challenge because

1855
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,079
it's all very like well-rounded um

1856
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,559
so i i can't i'm sorry that's a little i

1857
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,520
think that's all i'm going to say

1858
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,599
it's all good that works picking on your

1859
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:24,559
book you read it

1860
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,000
and it's it's a challenge for you

1861
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,240
listeners don't let anyone down

1862
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,000
the books are good self-help's not evil

1863
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,359
i promise

1864
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:33,359
we read anything it could be game design

1865
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:34,799
programming health

1866
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:37,520
uh healthy books nutrition anything pick

1867
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,400
a book

1868
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,039
expand your mind grow i like it but yeah

1869
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:42,400
so thank you for coming on this has been

1870
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,200
so much fun

1871
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,520
learning a lot love the chromatic pie i

1872
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,119
love the pie i need to make that one day

1873
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:47,839
i'm gonna

1874
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:50,240
i love vegans i need that'd be so cute

1875
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,480
yeah i'll tell you how to make it yeah

1876
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,440
yes awesome yeah and then so usually at

1877
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,160
the end we'll just

1878
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,520
hand the mic to you when doing last

1879
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,039
minute shout outs you know last minute

1880
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:00,559
quotes whatever you feel

1881
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:04,000
and thank you for coming on thank you

1882
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,599
well yeah thank you so much for having

1883
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,359
me it's been a pleasure you know i'm i'm

1884
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:08,960
really honored that you reached out to

1885
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,359
me

1886
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:12,240
and uh i'm just so happy to be here and

1887
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:12,559
for

1888
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:15,359
everyone listening um i believe in you

1889
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:17,039
just do the thing you know don't hold

1890
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:18,000
yourself back you

1891
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,680
you don't want to hold yourself back you

1892
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,280
know be be a go-getter but be a smart

1893
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,760
go-getter you know don't don't do it

1894
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,000
overbought

1895
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,240
um but you can reach me on uh at

1896
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,839
loripops on twitter

1897
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:35,240
you can reach me on um you can go to

1898
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:36,400
quaranticpi.com

1899
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,559
um there is a blog about me there and

1900
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:40,079
with a little bit more background

1901
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:41,280
information too

1902
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,200
and of course on the studio and where we

1903
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,400
want to go

1904
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,119
and take care during this covered

1905
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:47,839
pandemic

1906
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:50,000
well that's it thanks for listening you

1907
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,760
can find all courses at game device tv

1908
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,760
or in a show notes at a discounted price

1909
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,880
get started with the game development

1910
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,839
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01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:03,920
you