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welcome to the gamedev.tv

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community podcast i'm your host kb and i

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would like to introduce you

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to industry professionals and people who

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successfully made their path

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to the video game industry i hope that

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you will enjoy the podcast and get

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useful tips that'll bring you closer to

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achieving your dreams

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now let's get right into the podcast

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lauren googie welcome to the gamedev.tv

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podcast

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thank you if you are a ceo of the

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cinematic pie

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correct chromatic pie or magpie my bad

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i knew it i was like i looked it up

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early and i was like i don't think

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that's right

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we had a chromatic pie so explain a

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little bit what that that is and a

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little bit about who you are and then

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we'll go from there

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well uh my name is lauren and i'm born

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and raised in new zealand

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down under under and um i

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just have a passion for video games as a

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lot of us do it's very deep seated for

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me from

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childhood um and i just

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i just found my home really i found i'm

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so lucky that i've found

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a place where i can grow a career and

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really expand into all sorts of

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different

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corners of it which is what i'm doing

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with chromatic pie

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that's awesome yes i saw the little bit

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about it

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you're basically trying to represent all

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communities

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in one basically right yeah so that's

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that's really good nowadays because it's

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like we need more of that so people can

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feel like representative and just

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connected and all that stuff but i want

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to get

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to how you got started follow this so

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back when you were younger did you

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play a lot of games were you into game

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design or you were just doing your thing

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like

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what's your story my story so when i was

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younger um

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my my dad was a gamer since before i was

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born

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so i would watch him play quake doom and

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half-life

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probably a bit too young to watch but

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like i just loved it you know i

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he'd play it and i was so enthralled by

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what was going on on this computer

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screen and it was like a whole

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new experience whole new world for me so

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i grew up

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with that and so we had the sega master

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system too which i

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still have it's uh on one of my shelves

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in the lounge with all the games

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um i have chuck rock and

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i've got asterisks and a balux

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um so we had that one and then of course

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we went up to the playstation one

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my dad also had a a game boy um and a

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few of the types of those

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um but that was like his one he didn't

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let us play on it too much because it

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was

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it was his thing yeah you want to mess

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up the save data

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yeah um and then yeah

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just their ps2 uh xbox you know it just

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sort of it just evolved over time and

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when i was at school i would quite often

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just come home and uh

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you know drop my bag down and just play

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video games

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um until you know homework or dinner

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time so

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for me video games has always been a

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part of my life um

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for me i i started in the entertainment

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aspect of things

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i was going through quite a hard time in

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my life in my early 20s and i found this

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youtuber

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called the red bread and so i started

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watching his

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let's plays and you know he helped me

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through my situation

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and you know we all go through things

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but i found that

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people playing video games for others

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was just this amazing medium and i

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really wanted to tap into that myself

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and so

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that's really where my uh streaming

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career began

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and i this is a lengthy story

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no worries yeah it's all good we all

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want to hear it

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yeah yeah so i guess from you know

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streaming on twitch it just sort of took

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off

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and uh i just i just loved interacting

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with people

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in real time and i earned enough money

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where i could fly to america for my very

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first time

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and attend the the first twitchcon uh

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and

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i kept returning to go to other gaming

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conventions

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and so i just loved networking loved

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meeting the community and just loved

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what i did

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um but i found through playing my video

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games on the hardest difficulty

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which is something not everyone does but

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i i love a challenge i found from that

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that i became more interested in game

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design and um

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you know the mechanics of of combat and

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boss fights and

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i just really wanted to learn more and

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so i

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i put out on twitter one day you know

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i'm looking for a

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a community management position because

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i knew community management quite well

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um from this the twitch side of things

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so i got a job as a community manager at

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a studio um

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here in wellington where i currently am

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and then they offered me to be a

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producer because they saw some

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potential in me so i took that role uh

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and then of course covered hit oh no

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yeah and

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you know the layoffs and all that sort

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of jazz so i found myself in a position

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where i was like you know what

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i love video games i see uh

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sort of gaps within the industry for

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inclusion diversity

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and accessibility and i really want to

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use my leverage from all the the work

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i've done over the years

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um you know all the social media

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presence that i've built up

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and really just build something

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meaningful and that's going to help you

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know propel

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the industry in new zealand but also

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globally

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you know we need to see more inclusive

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and accessibility

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in games i agree that's beautiful story

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thanks now i want to get into the whole

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you playing games on the hard difficulty

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is that something you just want to

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challenge yourself like what is the

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thought process because i'm gonna say

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i'm on the same thing but i do it

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because like

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go big and go home gotta prove myself

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that i'm really good stuff

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that's it you know i i started doing it

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because i just wanted

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like something else you know something

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more interesting

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um and you know it you i'd start a game

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and this is on twitch and it's in front

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of people so it's not like i'm just

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doing it at home by myself which is

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way better yeah right you know you're

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not as vulnerable

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yeah yeah yeah exactly watch me die like

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all these times and people would like

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come and go like ah she's not really

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good but then

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you know a few hours into every game i

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overcome that learning curve and then i

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end up just propelling to the finish

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and for me that feeling is just i love

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that feeling you know that i've

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i've stuck it in and i've learned the

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mechanics and i can really knuckle down

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and just like get through the game

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and i just love that sense of um

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accomplishment and

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uh the people that watch me they also

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they're like wow

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you know you actually did the thing

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you're really good [ __ ]

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no but seriously it's it's weird because

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like you when you

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start to play in hard difficulties and

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you get better and better and better you

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really become good at the game like i

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played god of war and got a war mode and

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you really can't get hit

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oh my gosh then you get to a point

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you're doing all the cool stuff you're

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like you can't touch me you can't get me

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i've learned the tricks i've learned

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this stuff i know when you're gonna hit

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me it's

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it's incredible and and it's it's cool

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because you go into this like flow state

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where you you just won't give up until

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you get there which i think can

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translate into like game design game

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programming like

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you get to a point where you're like

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you're going to fail but like well in

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the game i failed but i kept failing

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failing and eventually i made it so

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maybe the same thing can happen here i

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don't know if you have the same type of

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like perspective when you play these

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hard

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games but yeah definitely there was a

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pattern god of war

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earlier in the game on god of war mode

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that i was playing in

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it was just you had the x but you had

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all those uh i can't remember

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their names but they were like frozen

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and if you hit them they came to life

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um and it was really hard to avoid you

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know you're in this confined

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area and um that part i

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i was stuck there so many times and died

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so many times but

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after then it really set me up for like

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the rest of the game and then

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whenever those enemies came along i was

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like you guys are nothing

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did you beat the game like the whole

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game i did yep

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i couldn't balder at the end i tried so

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many times i got to like the last part

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of his health and i just i was like i'm

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done

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i've spent i think i spent like a whole

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day actually like 24 hours on it and i

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was like all right

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it's it's time it's time to cut it yeah

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yeah sometimes you have to sit back and

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be like

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i'll come back to this i got close

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enough because i watched a little bit

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afterwards i was like oh no i'm at the

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end of the game i pretty much beat it

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so but the hardest part too and i don't

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think you didn't easy

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is when you got them low enough health

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they would like

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re-heal and then have a second bar

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health so i remember i was watching my

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friend playing like damn i was like bro

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this is too easy

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i'm just like slashes and i'm like you

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have to go gotta warm up makes you

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better

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it makes you stronger so yeah no it's

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that

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yeah i remember being on top of the the

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mountains

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when you get the achievement after

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walking through this this cave scene

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and um the music plays and it's just

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this like

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oh i did it that's such a good game i

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can't wait for the next one

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now when you were doing your producer

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jump how was what was that like how did

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you

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prepare for that and you evolved in that

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role

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wow yeah so being a producer for the

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first time was uh

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quite it was quite something you know

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when when i was a part of um the studios

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called a44 games um they didn't really

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have a

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producer structure at the time

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so we had um two other producers at the

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time another junior another mid-level

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producer

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um so we didn't really have a program to

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really

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nestle into but then we got a senior

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producer in

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from the united states and she was just

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incredible she came in february last

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year

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and of course i think i left in

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june i believe so i was only there with

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her for a short amount of time but

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gosh she had like 30 years experience

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and i really just got to go under her

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wing

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and learn you know how successful you

0:10:45.920,0:10:47.760
know how she's made herself successful

0:10:47.760,0:10:49.279
and helped other companies

0:10:49.279,0:10:50.959
and so i really took a lot from that you

0:10:50.959,0:10:52.320
know i'm someone that

0:10:52.320,0:10:54.880
absorbs a lot uh probably more than i

0:10:54.880,0:10:55.680
lead on to

0:10:55.680,0:10:58.399
as well um and i really just take it all

0:10:58.399,0:10:59.600
in take it on board

0:10:59.600,0:11:02.640
i was the producer for um

0:11:02.640,0:11:05.120
coding first and then i jumped over to

0:11:05.120,0:11:05.680
design

0:11:05.680,0:11:09.279
so i was looking after systems narrative

0:11:09.279,0:11:10.959
you know all the different facets of

0:11:10.959,0:11:11.519
design

0:11:11.519,0:11:14.000
so during that as well i got to

0:11:14.000,0:11:15.600
understand you know

0:11:15.600,0:11:16.880
how the different departments

0:11:16.880,0:11:19.200
communicate with each other um

0:11:19.200,0:11:21.040
got to understand you know what the

0:11:21.040,0:11:22.560
different departments actually

0:11:22.560,0:11:25.120
do what it's about how it all comes to

0:11:25.120,0:11:25.920
life

0:11:25.920,0:11:28.560
and i just yeah i just gained such a

0:11:28.560,0:11:30.160
passion for it and was like you know

0:11:30.160,0:11:31.839
what i know enough to start an indie

0:11:31.839,0:11:33.440
game company

0:11:33.440,0:11:35.440
you know i don't want to start this big

0:11:35.440,0:11:37.839
triple a like you know but i can start

0:11:37.839,0:11:40.399
indian like and go from there so

0:11:40.399,0:11:42.240
yeah i loved being a producer it was

0:11:42.240,0:11:43.440
great wow

0:11:43.440,0:11:46.160
okay and so did you go to school for any

0:11:46.160,0:11:46.640
game

0:11:46.640,0:11:48.560
design game development or this was just

0:11:48.560,0:11:50.399
from twitch and then eventually evolving

0:11:50.399,0:11:52.399
towards being a producer and then

0:11:52.399,0:11:54.160
or how did that yeah yeah i think yeah

0:11:54.160,0:11:56.000
um it was lucky you know i wanted

0:11:56.000,0:11:58.320
a i wanted a career uh some more

0:11:58.320,0:12:00.880
financial stability in my life um

0:12:00.880,0:12:02.160
you know that twitch couldn't really

0:12:02.160,0:12:04.560
give me so i thought you know community

0:12:04.560,0:12:05.839
management would be

0:12:05.839,0:12:09.040
the gig and um that felt like a natural

0:12:09.040,0:12:11.839
step to do that but when they offered me

0:12:11.839,0:12:13.440
a job as a producer

0:12:13.440,0:12:15.120
you know it sort of opened doors for me

0:12:15.120,0:12:16.480
and i

0:12:16.480,0:12:18.160
i did see myself wanting to be a

0:12:18.160,0:12:20.160
creative director one day while i was at

0:12:20.160,0:12:21.440
the studio

0:12:21.440,0:12:23.360
you know like leveling up to that level

0:12:23.360,0:12:26.000
over over a certain amount of years

0:12:26.000,0:12:29.360
um but no you know i asked other

0:12:29.360,0:12:30.959
creative directors within the studio i

0:12:30.959,0:12:32.480
was like you know would you recommend

0:12:32.480,0:12:33.519
going to school

0:12:33.519,0:12:35.040
for something like this and they're like

0:12:35.040,0:12:36.959
no you can learn it all in house

0:12:36.959,0:12:38.560
and a lot of teams are like that you

0:12:38.560,0:12:40.079
know they will um

0:12:40.079,0:12:42.639
help support you to to get to the the

0:12:42.639,0:12:44.720
status that you want to get to

0:12:44.720,0:12:47.279
over time um but you know if you want to

0:12:47.279,0:12:48.000
go to

0:12:48.000,0:12:50.320
a game design school and whatnot those

0:12:50.320,0:12:51.120
are definitely

0:12:51.120,0:12:52.959
helpful but if you're already in the

0:12:52.959,0:12:55.200
industry and you've worked at a game

0:12:55.200,0:12:56.079
studio

0:12:56.079,0:12:57.519
and you feel like you have enough

0:12:57.519,0:12:59.279
experience to start something

0:12:59.279,0:13:00.800
um you know there's really nothing

0:13:00.800,0:13:03.040
holding you back and um

0:13:03.040,0:13:04.959
yeah i would just say just go for it

0:13:04.959,0:13:07.120
like i have i have a bit of courage

0:13:07.120,0:13:07.600
though

0:13:07.600,0:13:10.320
it does take courage but uh yeah yeah i

0:13:10.320,0:13:11.120
was gonna ask

0:13:11.120,0:13:13.519
dude were you nervous not well let's not

0:13:13.519,0:13:14.880
talk about the suit yet but were you

0:13:14.880,0:13:15.760
nervous when they were like

0:13:15.760,0:13:18.880
you want to be a producer and then yeah

0:13:18.880,0:13:20.560
because you know experience before so

0:13:20.560,0:13:21.600
you were like i have community

0:13:21.600,0:13:23.040
management experience but not producers

0:13:23.040,0:13:24.240
how did you feel about that were you

0:13:24.240,0:13:24.560
like

0:13:24.560,0:13:26.560
let's just bring it on or was your

0:13:26.560,0:13:28.079
mindset yeah um

0:13:28.079,0:13:30.800
for yes i was i was you know i've got a

0:13:30.800,0:13:32.399
really optimistic attitude

0:13:32.399,0:13:34.959
and uh you know i just feel like you

0:13:34.959,0:13:36.720
know anything i could put my mind to

0:13:36.720,0:13:38.800
i can i can do it and if if it doesn't

0:13:38.800,0:13:40.560
turn out it doesn't turn out you know

0:13:40.560,0:13:42.160
what have you got to lose so

0:13:42.160,0:13:44.880
i really just gave it my all um and

0:13:44.880,0:13:46.240
really tried to learn

0:13:46.240,0:13:48.320
in my own way in my own time about how

0:13:48.320,0:13:49.839
everything works and

0:13:49.839,0:13:51.600
i got to know the people at the studio

0:13:51.600,0:13:53.040
as well you know not just

0:13:53.040,0:13:55.600
from a level of you know telling them

0:13:55.600,0:13:56.320
when their

0:13:56.320,0:13:59.199
tasks were due or milestones and whatnot

0:13:59.199,0:14:00.720
but actually you know getting to know

0:14:00.720,0:14:01.519
them as people

0:14:01.519,0:14:04.880
and um how these different individuals

0:14:04.880,0:14:07.920
work together but so differently

0:14:07.920,0:14:10.320
you know and so i that's what i really

0:14:10.320,0:14:12.160
loved about being a producer was that

0:14:12.160,0:14:14.639
the communication aspect and that like

0:14:14.639,0:14:17.600
the human level of like i don't i'm not

0:14:17.600,0:14:19.279
just going to be this person that tells

0:14:19.279,0:14:19.839
you

0:14:19.839,0:14:22.720
what to do where to go but actually like

0:14:22.720,0:14:25.839
you know get amongst it

0:14:25.839,0:14:28.959
okay wow that's crazy that's

0:14:28.959,0:14:30.639
it's just it's insane because i've known

0:14:30.639,0:14:32.079
a lot of people even myself where it's

0:14:32.079,0:14:32.560
just like

0:14:32.560,0:14:34.240
i don't know if i feel ready for that

0:14:34.240,0:14:35.680
even though i've done a lot of different

0:14:35.680,0:14:36.639
things

0:14:36.639,0:14:38.240
i've never done it so you feel kind of

0:14:38.240,0:14:39.839
nervous you get that pushback but it's

0:14:39.839,0:14:40.959
like you got to try it

0:14:40.959,0:14:43.199
to learn what it's like and infinitely

0:14:43.199,0:14:44.320
yeah

0:14:44.320,0:14:47.199
so going to the twitch how did you get

0:14:47.199,0:14:48.560
that started you just started

0:14:48.560,0:14:50.480
streaming started playing games and

0:14:50.480,0:14:52.000
showing the world with like how did you

0:14:52.000,0:14:54.480
get how did you get popular

0:14:54.480,0:14:57.440
all right so uh i started streaming in

0:14:57.440,0:14:58.959
january 2015

0:14:58.959,0:15:01.120
so i've actually been doing it for six

0:15:01.120,0:15:02.160
years now

0:15:02.160,0:15:03.680
and we'll probably keep doing it till

0:15:03.680,0:15:06.000
i'm elderly i suppose

0:15:06.000,0:15:09.199
why not kind of weird yeah i mean

0:15:09.199,0:15:11.279
at that stage i guess it'll be like

0:15:11.279,0:15:13.360
normal we'll be like the first ones to

0:15:13.360,0:15:14.880
be like elderly

0:15:14.880,0:15:17.600
gaming personalities or whatever but

0:15:17.600,0:15:18.560
that's really funny that'd be

0:15:18.560,0:15:19.600
interesting you'd be in all ground would

0:15:19.600,0:15:20.320
be like hey

0:15:20.320,0:15:22.320
you guys ready to play some whatever

0:15:22.320,0:15:24.079
yeah like your followers have

0:15:24.079,0:15:25.839
followed you through since you know your

0:15:25.839,0:15:27.279
conception you're all

0:15:27.279,0:15:31.040
old you know i wonder

0:15:31.040,0:15:32.959
oh my goodness so for me you know i

0:15:32.959,0:15:34.240
started with destiny

0:15:34.240,0:15:36.240
and you know disney came out september

0:15:36.240,0:15:38.800
2014 so it was kind of new

0:15:38.800,0:15:41.440
um especially on twitch and i just grew

0:15:41.440,0:15:42.720
a community there

0:15:42.720,0:15:45.680
and uh i don't know i guess at the time

0:15:45.680,0:15:47.519
there wasn't many new zealand streamers

0:15:47.519,0:15:50.000
as well so i had the advantage of

0:15:50.000,0:15:53.680
an interesting accent um of course um

0:15:53.680,0:15:56.399
i was a female which we don't have like

0:15:56.399,0:15:57.680
a leg up but

0:15:57.680,0:16:00.959
um it does it can help you know on a

0:16:00.959,0:16:04.079
platform that's majority of male viewers

0:16:04.079,0:16:05.199
you know

0:16:05.199,0:16:07.040
so you know from all these different

0:16:07.040,0:16:09.120
angles you know i was just getting a lot

0:16:09.120,0:16:10.959
of followers a lot of viewers

0:16:10.959,0:16:13.279
and i really built up a really special

0:16:13.279,0:16:14.480
community

0:16:14.480,0:16:16.480
and so from then i just decided you know

0:16:16.480,0:16:18.000
what you know i was getting about a

0:16:18.000,0:16:19.759
thousand viewers it was actually going

0:16:19.759,0:16:21.199
really successful

0:16:21.199,0:16:23.519
but then i wanted to to go to variety it

0:16:23.519,0:16:24.959
was just i couldn't play

0:16:24.959,0:16:27.199
this one game like day in day out day in

0:16:27.199,0:16:28.480
day out anymore

0:16:28.480,0:16:30.560
even if it meant money you know i that's

0:16:30.560,0:16:31.600
just me i i

0:16:31.600,0:16:34.560
have to be authentic uh to my core when

0:16:34.560,0:16:35.600
i can

0:16:35.600,0:16:38.320
and so when i did that you know um my

0:16:38.320,0:16:39.920
viewership went down but then it

0:16:39.920,0:16:41.600
gradually built back up and then my

0:16:41.600,0:16:42.880
community was just

0:16:42.880,0:16:45.759
this more like well-rounded community of

0:16:45.759,0:16:46.480
uh different

0:16:46.480,0:16:47.839
interests but they could all come

0:16:47.839,0:16:50.160
together to watch me play whatever game

0:16:50.160,0:16:51.839
that i wanted

0:16:51.839,0:16:54.880
and uh in new zealand you know being in

0:16:54.880,0:16:55.920
a small country

0:16:55.920,0:16:58.399
and at the time one of the very few

0:16:58.399,0:16:59.680
twitch streamers that was

0:16:59.680,0:17:02.839
at that level of success i got media

0:17:02.839,0:17:04.400
attention um

0:17:04.400,0:17:07.360
you know i was on a lot of articles i

0:17:07.360,0:17:09.039
was on some news channels

0:17:09.039,0:17:12.319
um and it was just it was just really

0:17:12.319,0:17:14.319
great that helped really elevate me and

0:17:14.319,0:17:14.799
the

0:17:14.799,0:17:18.799
um american saturated market

0:17:18.799,0:17:21.839
and uh yeah no it's just i'm so thrilled

0:17:21.839,0:17:23.520
that i've had such a successful twitch

0:17:23.520,0:17:24.160
career

0:17:24.160,0:17:26.400
and um but you know now i really just

0:17:26.400,0:17:27.439
want to

0:17:27.439,0:17:30.320
uh do that as a as a hobby and not rely

0:17:30.320,0:17:31.840
on it for money and

0:17:31.840,0:17:34.799
just get started with my gaming studio

0:17:34.799,0:17:35.919
that makes sense

0:17:35.919,0:17:37.360
now when you got media attention on the

0:17:37.360,0:17:39.039
news how did that feel like you were

0:17:39.039,0:17:42.480
like i'm famous now yeah

0:17:42.480,0:17:46.240
yeah it was uh it was crazy uh

0:17:46.240,0:17:48.640
it's kind of you know my first sort of

0:17:48.640,0:17:50.480
media attention was in the local

0:17:50.480,0:17:51.840
newspaper

0:17:51.840,0:17:54.880
my dad actually uh he yeah

0:17:54.880,0:17:56.640
he wrote it it was called the hawke's

0:17:56.640,0:17:58.000
bay today

0:17:58.000,0:18:00.320
and they he wrote in and then they

0:18:00.320,0:18:02.799
contacted me and did a piece on me

0:18:02.799,0:18:05.919
and you know from there then other wider

0:18:05.919,0:18:07.919
news outlets in the country were like

0:18:07.919,0:18:10.000
hey like we want to do a piece on this

0:18:10.000,0:18:11.919
girl and so that's sort of how it like

0:18:11.919,0:18:13.280
dominoed into

0:18:13.280,0:18:16.400
into what it uh became for me and uh

0:18:16.400,0:18:18.640
yeah now i i know a lot of journalists

0:18:18.640,0:18:19.520
you know

0:18:19.520,0:18:22.160
it's just yeah it's it's crazy to think

0:18:22.160,0:18:24.160
about

0:18:24.160,0:18:26.000
that's insane just just by playing games

0:18:26.000,0:18:27.600
you can become like this big

0:18:27.600,0:18:29.840
thing because five not even like i don't

0:18:29.840,0:18:31.039
know 23.

0:18:31.039,0:18:32.559
like seven years ago eight years ago i

0:18:32.559,0:18:34.640
was like there's no way people would be

0:18:34.640,0:18:36.640
paid to play games i just watched them

0:18:36.640,0:18:38.960
on youtube for fun but now it's like

0:18:38.960,0:18:41.039
literally there's community streamers

0:18:41.039,0:18:42.240
and all this

0:18:42.240,0:18:43.840
twitch community out here just people

0:18:43.840,0:18:45.039
just sharing their experience just

0:18:45.039,0:18:46.320
sharing games because not everybody can

0:18:46.320,0:18:47.280
play games

0:18:47.280,0:18:48.640
they don't have the money to buy it or

0:18:48.640,0:18:50.000
some people just want to watch people

0:18:50.000,0:18:51.440
play it's more comforting or the

0:18:51.440,0:18:52.400
streamer themselves

0:18:52.400,0:18:53.600
helps them get through tough times like

0:18:53.600,0:18:55.039
happened to you and actually if i would

0:18:55.039,0:18:57.120
like to get into at least how you

0:18:57.120,0:18:59.200
how your mindset was during that hard

0:18:59.200,0:19:02.160
times and how you got through it

0:19:02.160,0:19:05.600
right wow so i guess those hard times

0:19:05.600,0:19:07.760
like thinking back on it was very minor

0:19:07.760,0:19:09.120
i've been in some

0:19:09.120,0:19:12.160
uh worse times

0:19:12.160,0:19:15.440
since then but you know from each

0:19:15.440,0:19:17.120
bedtime i've been through you know video

0:19:17.120,0:19:19.360
games has always been there for me but

0:19:19.360,0:19:21.280
i've always been there for myself as

0:19:21.280,0:19:22.400
well

0:19:22.400,0:19:24.799
and through each time you sort of learn

0:19:24.799,0:19:25.600
about you know

0:19:25.600,0:19:28.320
how how best to get through it the next

0:19:28.320,0:19:28.880
time

0:19:28.880,0:19:30.960
uh in case you know something happens to

0:19:30.960,0:19:31.919
you

0:19:31.919,0:19:35.679
and um i guess that's yeah that's really

0:19:35.679,0:19:38.400
video games is just like on the side of

0:19:38.400,0:19:38.880
that

0:19:38.880,0:19:42.880
um really but you know for example

0:19:42.880,0:19:45.200
um the biggest one in the last few years

0:19:45.200,0:19:46.400
was um

0:19:46.400,0:19:49.840
i got married to another twitch streamer

0:19:49.840,0:19:51.200
in america

0:19:51.200,0:19:54.320
and we have a child together and so i

0:19:54.320,0:19:56.320
moved my life over there with a newborn

0:19:56.320,0:19:56.960
baby

0:19:56.960,0:19:59.039
and it didn't work out unfortunately so

0:19:59.039,0:20:00.799
i had to move all the way back to new

0:20:00.799,0:20:01.520
zealand

0:20:01.520,0:20:04.559
uh from from america that's tough i was

0:20:04.559,0:20:07.840
yeah an eight month old uh and then

0:20:07.840,0:20:09.679
and then we've been separated for almost

0:20:09.679,0:20:11.520
three years now so it's it's not too

0:20:11.520,0:20:12.720
recent but

0:20:12.720,0:20:14.159
that was really hard for me to go

0:20:14.159,0:20:15.919
through as a solo parent

0:20:15.919,0:20:18.480
and um you know at the time i was just a

0:20:18.480,0:20:20.480
twitch streamer um

0:20:20.480,0:20:22.960
grieving didn't really know what to do

0:20:22.960,0:20:24.559
and then i

0:20:24.559,0:20:26.720
you know really just catapult myself

0:20:26.720,0:20:28.480
into game development

0:20:28.480,0:20:31.840
and three years on i'm here with my own

0:20:31.840,0:20:33.840
indie studio and i'm just like i'm just

0:20:33.840,0:20:36.880
so proud of myself

0:20:38.000,0:20:41.200
thank you yeah it's not easy doing what

0:20:41.200,0:20:42.480
you did but

0:20:42.480,0:20:44.400
you he did it and that's all that

0:20:44.400,0:20:45.600
matters

0:20:45.600,0:20:47.760
yeah i also want to hear a story about

0:20:47.760,0:20:49.520
your name the the twitch

0:20:49.520,0:20:52.480
name you made it's laurie yeah how did

0:20:52.480,0:20:52.799
that

0:20:52.799,0:20:56.159
hello so my first name's lorien

0:20:56.159,0:20:59.200
and my family name is

0:20:59.200,0:21:02.960
lollipop lolly lol pup like there's

0:21:02.960,0:21:05.120
different variations of it so i thought

0:21:05.120,0:21:07.440
you know how can i combine lollipop

0:21:07.440,0:21:10.799
and my name so i came up with lorry pop

0:21:10.799,0:21:17.760
or lori pops i guess yeah oh i love it

0:21:17.760,0:21:19.679
now for anybody who wanted to do like

0:21:19.679,0:21:21.440
twitch streaming

0:21:21.440,0:21:23.280
like whether it's for just games or even

0:21:23.280,0:21:24.559
game development what

0:21:24.559,0:21:28.480
advice would you give them um

0:21:28.480,0:21:30.880
i would say that twitch streaming is

0:21:30.880,0:21:34.080
actually a great segue to break into the

0:21:34.080,0:21:37.360
game development industry uh it really

0:21:37.360,0:21:39.120
is you know i don't think i could have

0:21:39.120,0:21:41.120
got to where i am without all the

0:21:41.120,0:21:43.120
networking and all the contacts and all

0:21:43.120,0:21:44.960
the the friends that i've made in the

0:21:44.960,0:21:46.400
industry you know

0:21:46.400,0:21:48.720
including video game studios and playing

0:21:48.720,0:21:50.640
video games uh for them and

0:21:50.640,0:21:53.120
and whatnot so it really is a great

0:21:53.120,0:21:56.080
segue but to get into twitch i would say

0:21:56.080,0:21:58.799
um just you know be yourself or offer

0:21:58.799,0:21:59.760
the most unique

0:21:59.760,0:22:02.640
aspect of yourself um or if you're

0:22:02.640,0:22:04.320
someone that likes to put on a persona

0:22:04.320,0:22:05.840
that's fine but like really stick to

0:22:05.840,0:22:06.559
that

0:22:06.559,0:22:08.799
and be consistent in the video game that

0:22:08.799,0:22:11.200
you play i would say start off with one

0:22:11.200,0:22:14.559
so your community has one core interest

0:22:14.559,0:22:14.960
to

0:22:14.960,0:22:18.000
to come together and bond over and then

0:22:18.000,0:22:19.760
from there if you want to do variety

0:22:19.760,0:22:20.159
then

0:22:20.159,0:22:23.600
slowly branch out into variety also you

0:22:23.600,0:22:25.520
know networking i will say that again

0:22:25.520,0:22:26.400
networking is

0:22:26.400,0:22:29.280
so important and it is so valuable

0:22:29.280,0:22:31.360
especially if it's genuine networking

0:22:31.360,0:22:32.480
not just you know

0:22:32.480,0:22:34.400
trying to trying to get a leg up in the

0:22:34.400,0:22:36.640
business you know making continuing

0:22:36.640,0:22:39.280
um but those are probably the core core

0:22:39.280,0:22:40.080
aspects

0:22:40.080,0:22:42.640
um of how i would say breaking into

0:22:42.640,0:22:43.200
twitch

0:22:43.200,0:22:45.200
um game development wise you know

0:22:45.200,0:22:46.480
there's a lot of community

0:22:46.480,0:22:49.039
and manager positions available in game

0:22:49.039,0:22:50.720
dev now and a lot of people

0:22:50.720,0:22:52.480
from the twitch scene are actually

0:22:52.480,0:22:54.720
stepping over into these roles

0:22:54.720,0:22:57.200
um so i would recommend that as well you

0:22:57.200,0:22:59.039
know just getting amongst that working

0:22:59.039,0:23:00.960
with these studios and

0:23:00.960,0:23:03.280
you know they most likely already know

0:23:03.280,0:23:04.799
who you are as well if you're a

0:23:04.799,0:23:06.720
successful streamer and so you've got

0:23:06.720,0:23:08.559
that sort of bonded respect there

0:23:08.559,0:23:09.440
already

0:23:09.440,0:23:12.480
um yeah i know it's um

0:23:12.480,0:23:14.000
my story is quite unique you know

0:23:14.000,0:23:15.760
there's not many twitch streamers that

0:23:15.760,0:23:16.720
have

0:23:16.720,0:23:18.880
gone this far into game development uh

0:23:18.880,0:23:20.240
or have been as

0:23:20.240,0:23:23.200
aspirational as i have so i don't really

0:23:23.200,0:23:24.799
have too many people to like

0:23:24.799,0:23:26.799
converse with about it but i do have a

0:23:26.799,0:23:29.039
few friends in community management so i

0:23:29.039,0:23:30.559
chat to them a lot

0:23:30.559,0:23:32.240
yeah you're unique and that's good

0:23:32.240,0:23:33.760
because it allows more people to follow

0:23:33.760,0:23:36.159
in your footsteps

0:23:36.159,0:23:38.720
yeah i do hope you know through it's

0:23:38.720,0:23:40.480
something i am with my twitch and my

0:23:40.480,0:23:41.919
online communities is i'm very

0:23:41.919,0:23:43.840
transparent about you know the

0:23:43.840,0:23:46.159
issues i face my adversities you know of

0:23:46.159,0:23:48.000
being a solo parent

0:23:48.000,0:23:50.320
and a woman in the industry as well i'm

0:23:50.320,0:23:52.000
very open about that stuff

0:23:52.000,0:23:54.000
and uh you know i really care about

0:23:54.000,0:23:55.600
those uh human

0:23:55.600,0:23:58.400
to human sort of genuine interactions uh

0:23:58.400,0:23:59.279
where you can

0:23:59.279,0:24:01.760
you know inspire other people you they

0:24:01.760,0:24:03.039
could be like hey

0:24:03.039,0:24:05.120
this person's going through this i don't

0:24:05.120,0:24:07.039
feel as alone you know i'm all about

0:24:07.039,0:24:08.799
that sort of thing so

0:24:08.799,0:24:11.039
yeah this just felt like a natural step

0:24:11.039,0:24:11.919
for me to take

0:24:11.919,0:24:14.400
making a studio that's inclusive diverse

0:24:14.400,0:24:14.960
and

0:24:14.960,0:24:18.720
focused on accessibility

0:24:18.720,0:24:22.240
now the studio how did this come about

0:24:22.240,0:24:24.880
so uh when i was sort of stagnant you

0:24:24.880,0:24:27.600
know it was during a covert lockdown

0:24:27.600,0:24:30.559
when redundancies were made at the

0:24:30.559,0:24:32.080
company and i sort of thought you know

0:24:32.080,0:24:33.520
where are my next steps

0:24:33.520,0:24:35.440
and once i decided you know what i want

0:24:35.440,0:24:37.120
to i want to

0:24:37.120,0:24:38.880
make an indie studio you know something

0:24:38.880,0:24:41.279
small something a bit humble

0:24:41.279,0:24:43.679
um and so i was like okay well what what

0:24:43.679,0:24:46.080
can i name this company that is

0:24:46.080,0:24:49.360
a representative representative of

0:24:49.360,0:24:52.799
being inclusive um and so i thought him

0:24:52.799,0:24:54.320
and i just sort of brainstormed for a

0:24:54.320,0:24:55.679
while and i was like

0:24:55.679,0:25:01.840
well everyone likes pie and then

0:25:02.480,0:25:04.240
you know people people like food they

0:25:04.240,0:25:06.480
like pie so i was like huh

0:25:06.480,0:25:08.480
and then i tried to like uh search

0:25:08.480,0:25:09.520
different words for

0:25:09.520,0:25:11.200
uh different colors you know and

0:25:11.200,0:25:12.720
chromatic um

0:25:12.720,0:25:15.039
is one of those words that encompasses

0:25:15.039,0:25:16.000
um

0:25:16.000,0:25:18.240
different uh color spectrums and and

0:25:18.240,0:25:20.799
whatnot um so i was like okay well

0:25:20.799,0:25:23.760
chromatic pie rolls off the tongue yes

0:25:23.760,0:25:25.440
and so i had a vision in my head for the

0:25:25.440,0:25:28.159
logo at that point and i was like huh i

0:25:28.159,0:25:30.080
want to you know give this to somebody

0:25:30.080,0:25:30.799
to create

0:25:30.799,0:25:33.840
pixel art her name is cast pixel on

0:25:33.840,0:25:35.679
twitter at car's pixel

0:25:35.679,0:25:38.159
and i reached out to her and she's um

0:25:38.159,0:25:39.279
lgbtq

0:25:39.279,0:25:41.760
plus as well and so i just felt like

0:25:41.760,0:25:43.679
this perfect fit and what she came up

0:25:43.679,0:25:45.679
with was just like the spinning image of

0:25:45.679,0:25:47.679
what i had in my head and it just

0:25:47.679,0:25:49.760
it just really clicked and so it just

0:25:49.760,0:25:51.279
yeah it had to be

0:25:51.279,0:25:53.440
all encompassing of the the company's

0:25:53.440,0:25:55.120
vision

0:25:55.120,0:25:57.120
so that vision you had is exactly what

0:25:57.120,0:25:59.679
you have nowadays with the uh

0:25:59.679,0:26:02.559
red yellow green blue purple pie we're

0:26:02.559,0:26:04.799
all slices from the same place

0:26:04.799,0:26:08.159
yeah yeah that's exactly it

0:26:08.159,0:26:10.720
thank you no problem and then i saw you

0:26:10.720,0:26:11.520
also uh

0:26:11.520,0:26:15.120
made a real version of it that is

0:26:15.120,0:26:16.159
incredible

0:26:16.159,0:26:19.919
so what type of pie is it is it

0:26:19.919,0:26:23.039
is made from it's made from sago and

0:26:23.039,0:26:24.240
custard

0:26:24.240,0:26:26.799
so if you don't know what sega is uh

0:26:26.799,0:26:28.559
it's i guess it's

0:26:28.559,0:26:30.000
you know everyone knows what rice but

0:26:30.000,0:26:32.720
you know what rice pudding is yeah

0:26:32.720,0:26:34.400
yeah so it's kind of got the same

0:26:34.400,0:26:35.919
texture as rice pudding

0:26:35.919,0:26:38.559
except it's sago and it's um it's a

0:26:38.559,0:26:40.720
similar texture to rice you know it's

0:26:40.720,0:26:41.120
sort of

0:26:41.120,0:26:43.760
uh it's sort of firm but sort of soft at

0:26:43.760,0:26:46.000
the same time and so and it's flavorless

0:26:46.000,0:26:46.880
so

0:26:46.880,0:26:48.799
yeah say go and custard i wanted to make

0:26:48.799,0:26:50.880
sure it was like bulky like the picture

0:26:50.880,0:26:53.279
and uh yeah no it just sort of came to

0:26:53.279,0:26:54.320
life it was

0:26:54.320,0:26:55.760
you know i thought it would be a neat

0:26:55.760,0:26:57.440
launching thing you know to have it on

0:26:57.440,0:26:59.120
the website at launch

0:26:59.120,0:27:00.880
yeah that's awesome i was like no way

0:27:00.880,0:27:02.480
you made the pie come to life

0:27:02.480,0:27:04.000
now how long did it take you to make the

0:27:04.000,0:27:05.440
pie come to light like did you spend

0:27:05.440,0:27:06.960
time like studying recipes

0:27:06.960,0:27:08.640
or did you already like do you bake a

0:27:08.640,0:27:09.919
lot so did you really know how to like

0:27:09.919,0:27:11.120
make a pie

0:27:11.120,0:27:14.400
i i don't do a lot of baking um but

0:27:14.400,0:27:16.000
you know i was thinking back to the time

0:27:16.000,0:27:19.360
i made my very first pumpkin pie

0:27:19.360,0:27:22.960
you know because uh america yes

0:27:22.960,0:27:24.320
so i was like you know what if i can

0:27:24.320,0:27:26.159
make pumpkin pie for the first time i

0:27:26.159,0:27:28.559
think i can experiment with this so

0:27:28.559,0:27:31.679
i think for me you know i the blog

0:27:31.679,0:27:34.000
is actually on the website creditpie.com

0:27:34.000,0:27:35.840
i actually have listed you know how the

0:27:35.840,0:27:36.559
steps and

0:27:36.559,0:27:39.120
what i did to make the pie and my my

0:27:39.120,0:27:40.880
three-year-old son helped me which was

0:27:40.880,0:27:42.080
incredible

0:27:42.080,0:27:43.600
um but yeah i know i was just

0:27:43.600,0:27:45.120
experimenting it took a two to

0:27:45.120,0:27:47.360
a few different tries with a friend as

0:27:47.360,0:27:48.960
well to get it right

0:27:48.960,0:27:51.760
and uh yeah i finally just just landed

0:27:51.760,0:27:52.080
on

0:27:52.080,0:27:55.440
a decent one but

0:27:55.440,0:27:58.720
yeah it was it was fun yeah and then how

0:27:58.720,0:28:00.320
did you get the colors to be

0:28:00.320,0:28:02.159
perfect like that because i would

0:28:02.159,0:28:04.159
imagine i had to mix them in different

0:28:04.159,0:28:06.080
walls yeah i had to like

0:28:06.080,0:28:07.919
segregate their colors into different

0:28:07.919,0:28:09.360
bowls and add in

0:28:09.360,0:28:11.919
the right amount of food coloring and

0:28:11.919,0:28:13.520
and then just carefully like

0:28:13.520,0:28:16.640
make them into like this circle i have

0:28:16.640,0:28:18.159
an eye for detail so

0:28:18.159,0:28:21.200
this really helped me in this regard

0:28:21.200,0:28:24.240
oh i see you made one version it just

0:28:24.240,0:28:25.679
didn't look like the way you wanted to

0:28:25.679,0:28:28.480
work out yeah yeah

0:28:28.480,0:28:32.399
wow that's that's unique

0:28:32.399,0:28:34.640
that's amazing i want to try some now so

0:28:34.640,0:28:35.679
like you're saying this soon they're

0:28:35.679,0:28:36.799
going to have over like

0:28:36.799,0:28:39.520
you can buy some or just just to make

0:28:39.520,0:28:41.200
the recipe for all the recipes that was

0:28:41.200,0:28:42.399
just like a

0:28:42.399,0:28:44.399
novelty thing you know something fun to

0:28:44.399,0:28:46.720
put out there that would make people

0:28:46.720,0:28:50.480
uh interested yeah wow

0:28:50.480,0:28:52.960
so then you started the the chromatic

0:28:52.960,0:28:53.520
pie

0:28:53.520,0:28:57.039
in october of last year right yes yes

0:28:57.039,0:29:00.240
so what was the process like leading up

0:29:00.240,0:29:01.039
to that moment

0:29:01.039,0:29:03.840
like the technical stuff so you came up

0:29:03.840,0:29:04.880
with your idea

0:29:04.880,0:29:08.000
what did you do next um

0:29:08.000,0:29:11.360
so i i didn't launch the studio

0:29:11.360,0:29:14.320
without having a game in mind so what i

0:29:14.320,0:29:15.440
did was

0:29:15.440,0:29:17.679
really just try to detail as much as i

0:29:17.679,0:29:19.919
can about a video game idea

0:29:19.919,0:29:23.200
and really just go through and make sure

0:29:23.200,0:29:23.919
that

0:29:23.919,0:29:25.440
it's something that i'm happy with

0:29:25.440,0:29:27.120
before i can hand it off to

0:29:27.120,0:29:30.640
uh developers to to bring it to life so

0:29:30.640,0:29:32.880
so that is something i worked on there

0:29:32.880,0:29:35.200
writing some documentation but also you

0:29:35.200,0:29:37.679
know the business side of things like

0:29:37.679,0:29:40.559
incorporating the company uh getting

0:29:40.559,0:29:42.960
those bank accounts up and running

0:29:42.960,0:29:45.679
um you know my my accountant that does

0:29:45.679,0:29:46.960
all my lorry pops

0:29:46.960,0:29:50.640
uh content creation stuff he's doing my

0:29:50.640,0:29:52.640
chromatic pie stuff and he's just

0:29:52.640,0:29:54.399
absolutely amazing so

0:29:54.399,0:29:56.240
you know i made sure that i i set all

0:29:56.240,0:29:58.399
these important things up you know but

0:29:58.399,0:30:01.440
pretty base level uh business stuff

0:30:01.440,0:30:04.960
and so i did that and yeah

0:30:04.960,0:30:07.039
i guess you know just making sure the

0:30:07.039,0:30:08.559
website was up and running i tried to

0:30:08.559,0:30:09.679
make the website uh

0:30:09.679,0:30:11.600
as accessible as possible i tried to

0:30:11.600,0:30:14.000
make it um easy to read

0:30:14.000,0:30:17.200
easy to to navigate and i was actually

0:30:17.200,0:30:18.880
really surprised because you know i

0:30:18.880,0:30:20.640
didn't have any help with the website's

0:30:20.640,0:30:22.799
design i just went on squarespace and

0:30:22.799,0:30:24.799
picked a layout and then adjusted it

0:30:24.799,0:30:26.320
from there

0:30:26.320,0:30:29.440
but when i went onto this accessibility

0:30:29.440,0:30:32.000
tool website you actually enter in your

0:30:32.000,0:30:33.520
website and it tells you how

0:30:33.520,0:30:35.279
accessible it is and where you need to

0:30:35.279,0:30:37.760
improve so i actually got i think a 97

0:30:37.760,0:30:39.039
percent rating

0:30:39.039,0:30:43.360
um and yeah so i was like wow like i

0:30:43.360,0:30:44.080
actually

0:30:44.080,0:30:47.200
you know my um my intuition really

0:30:47.200,0:30:49.600
paid off there i you know i did it all

0:30:49.600,0:30:50.320
quite well

0:30:50.320,0:30:52.320
um so i was really proud of that you

0:30:52.320,0:30:54.159
know and just yeah making sure i had all

0:30:54.159,0:30:56.240
these things done like the the fun thing

0:30:56.240,0:30:57.760
like the pie

0:30:57.760,0:31:00.799
um and i've got some hats as well

0:31:00.799,0:31:03.519
some keratic pie caps and bucket hats

0:31:03.519,0:31:04.320
too

0:31:04.320,0:31:06.080
so i was just yeah organizing quite a

0:31:06.080,0:31:07.679
few things behind the scene to

0:31:07.679,0:31:11.840
make the launch as as impressionable as

0:31:11.840,0:31:13.279
possible

0:31:13.279,0:31:15.760
oh i see you get the cp bucket head and

0:31:15.760,0:31:18.399
the cp brush cotton cap

0:31:18.399,0:31:20.080
for the two different hats that's so

0:31:20.080,0:31:23.039
cool that's awesome

0:31:23.039,0:31:26.240
i need to get myself one there

0:31:26.240,0:31:28.880
so i see you also so the game you work

0:31:28.880,0:31:31.679
on is a unity 2d platform game

0:31:31.679,0:31:34.960
yes details

0:31:34.960,0:31:37.760
are just keeping it all secret yeah it's

0:31:37.760,0:31:39.039
a secret for now

0:31:39.039,0:31:41.919
uh so yeah it is a 2d pixel platformer

0:31:41.919,0:31:43.120
on unity

0:31:43.120,0:31:46.240
um it is

0:31:46.240,0:31:47.840
yeah i don't really know how much i can

0:31:47.840,0:31:49.440
say about it without

0:31:49.440,0:31:52.000
without giving it away i would say that

0:31:52.000,0:31:52.720
it isn't

0:31:52.720,0:31:56.080
like any other platformer um

0:31:56.080,0:31:59.360
that you know of or that you've played a

0:31:59.360,0:32:02.320
specifically designed a core element and

0:32:02.320,0:32:04.000
actually two core elements of the game

0:32:04.000,0:32:05.600
this is what you want but you know when

0:32:05.600,0:32:06.880
you're

0:32:06.880,0:32:09.440
in the game design you want it to uh be

0:32:09.440,0:32:10.799
different from

0:32:10.799,0:32:14.000
other games and to some degree so i've

0:32:14.000,0:32:15.760
got two core elements that'll really

0:32:15.760,0:32:16.559
make people

0:32:16.559,0:32:18.559
think you know wow this is interesting

0:32:18.559,0:32:19.600
well that's really

0:32:19.600,0:32:21.679
that's really fun while this works out

0:32:21.679,0:32:23.440
really good you know so that was really

0:32:23.440,0:32:25.200
important to me to make the game

0:32:25.200,0:32:27.440
um stand out from the crowd and have a

0:32:27.440,0:32:29.039
chance of of being

0:32:29.039,0:32:31.039
more successful than it would if it was

0:32:31.039,0:32:32.240
just another

0:32:32.240,0:32:35.760
2d platformer yeah and then for the

0:32:35.760,0:32:37.919
development team is it how many people

0:32:37.919,0:32:39.679
is it or

0:32:39.679,0:32:43.120
yeah is

0:32:43.120,0:32:44.720
would you be surprised it's just me

0:32:44.720,0:32:47.120
right now

0:32:47.120,0:32:48.640
so i've done everything right now

0:32:48.640,0:32:50.159
however um

0:32:50.159,0:32:52.399
i have been in talks with uh two

0:32:52.399,0:32:54.159
investors that are really interested in

0:32:54.159,0:32:55.519
coming on board

0:32:55.519,0:32:58.080
that is another thing you know indeed

0:32:58.080,0:32:59.679
and these studios really struggle with

0:32:59.679,0:33:00.399
finding

0:33:00.399,0:33:04.240
funding um and finding

0:33:04.240,0:33:06.000
you know just that support that you

0:33:06.000,0:33:08.399
really need so i've been lucky with my

0:33:08.399,0:33:10.559
with my social media presence and status

0:33:10.559,0:33:12.320
and a lot of people

0:33:12.320,0:33:14.399
know about being new zealand and

0:33:14.399,0:33:16.399
overseas as well

0:33:16.399,0:33:18.960
and you know an investor one of the

0:33:18.960,0:33:20.799
first investors that found me

0:33:20.799,0:33:23.840
found me on twitch and he just tuned in

0:33:23.840,0:33:24.320
to

0:33:24.320,0:33:27.600
watch my uh the last of us part two

0:33:27.600,0:33:29.679
uh gameplay and what i thought of the

0:33:29.679,0:33:31.279
game and i just happened to be talking

0:33:31.279,0:33:33.519
about chromatic pie at the time

0:33:33.519,0:33:34.720
and then he reached out to me on

0:33:34.720,0:33:36.799
linkedin and then we started talking

0:33:36.799,0:33:38.240
and you know those sort of things are

0:33:38.240,0:33:40.320
like crazy you know like what if he

0:33:40.320,0:33:41.760
tuned in at a different time i would

0:33:41.760,0:33:43.039
have missed that opportunity

0:33:43.039,0:33:46.640
uh completely you know that's like

0:33:46.640,0:33:49.600
yeah yeah it definitely is so so that

0:33:49.600,0:33:51.360
was sort of how that came about

0:33:51.360,0:33:54.880
and i knew that my business

0:33:54.880,0:33:58.480
uh was unique from all others you know

0:33:58.480,0:34:00.480
from conception what it's all about the

0:34:00.480,0:34:02.399
logo the name and everything

0:34:02.399,0:34:04.799
i knew that i could grab attention from

0:34:04.799,0:34:05.600
current you know

0:34:05.600,0:34:08.480
future investors that way um also with

0:34:08.480,0:34:10.079
my status in the country and

0:34:10.079,0:34:13.200
globally in the industry and so another

0:34:13.200,0:34:15.760
investor uh which i i won't name any of

0:34:15.760,0:34:16.320
them

0:34:16.320,0:34:17.760
but the second investor that's

0:34:17.760,0:34:19.599
interested is from america and i've

0:34:19.599,0:34:20.560
known

0:34:20.560,0:34:23.599
them for a very long time and

0:34:23.599,0:34:26.079
you know they're entrepreneurs and you

0:34:26.079,0:34:27.119
just never know

0:34:27.119,0:34:29.839
where your contacts are gonna like link

0:34:29.839,0:34:30.879
into each other

0:34:30.879,0:34:34.240
or anything like that but i've actually

0:34:34.240,0:34:37.599
enrolled myself into an incubation

0:34:37.599,0:34:38.399
program

0:34:38.399,0:34:40.560
a business incubation program that goes

0:34:40.560,0:34:41.440
for uh

0:34:41.440,0:34:43.919
three months to 12 months so i'm really

0:34:43.919,0:34:45.520
just trying to do all these things

0:34:45.520,0:34:46.159
myself

0:34:46.159,0:34:49.440
to make sure that um i have enough money

0:34:49.440,0:34:50.560
to hire people

0:34:50.560,0:34:53.200
when the time comes that i can be a good

0:34:53.200,0:34:54.000
boss

0:34:54.000,0:34:56.000
that i can really lift up the company

0:34:56.000,0:34:57.839
and ensure its success

0:34:57.839,0:35:00.400
and so yeah i really needed to do all

0:35:00.400,0:35:01.040
this

0:35:01.040,0:35:03.760
ground level work first before i could

0:35:03.760,0:35:07.119
get anybody else on board with me

0:35:07.119,0:35:08.560
oh yeah that's key because you need to

0:35:08.560,0:35:10.160
make sure you're all set and prepared to

0:35:10.160,0:35:11.920
launch your business to success and

0:35:11.920,0:35:12.960
that's another thing

0:35:12.960,0:35:14.880
for any all the students listening that

0:35:14.880,0:35:16.079
like you must

0:35:16.079,0:35:17.839
focus on the small things you don't

0:35:17.839,0:35:19.119
think it's important but it becomes

0:35:19.119,0:35:20.240
important like

0:35:20.240,0:35:22.320
lawyers um having like legal stuff

0:35:22.320,0:35:25.119
taking care of the bank accounts

0:35:25.119,0:35:26.560
the logo on the website all other stuff

0:35:26.560,0:35:28.240
is like cool and nice but there's a lot

0:35:28.240,0:35:29.599
of like different things too that's

0:35:29.599,0:35:31.680
really important and then you know

0:35:31.680,0:35:33.200
you're killing it so

0:35:33.200,0:35:35.280
congratulations yeah i do want to say

0:35:35.280,0:35:37.280
that um you know

0:35:37.280,0:35:39.760
game developers uh you know they can

0:35:39.760,0:35:40.480
make

0:35:40.480,0:35:42.960
amazing games but they don't always make

0:35:42.960,0:35:44.160
great business people

0:35:44.160,0:35:46.880
or great managers or great studio owners

0:35:46.880,0:35:48.240
so that's one thing i really want to

0:35:48.240,0:35:50.320
emphasize is you really need to educate

0:35:50.320,0:35:52.560
yourself on how to run a business

0:35:52.560,0:35:54.640
um doesn't matter how talented you are

0:35:54.640,0:35:55.760
at

0:35:55.760,0:35:57.599
making a game you really need to get the

0:35:57.599,0:35:59.280
business side so for me

0:35:59.280,0:36:02.160
business side comes more naturally to me

0:36:02.160,0:36:02.640
and

0:36:02.640,0:36:06.160
game development is more secondary so

0:36:06.160,0:36:09.760
yeah i would say that nice and so for

0:36:09.760,0:36:11.359
with the little bit that you are doing

0:36:11.359,0:36:13.920
are you like doing the game design part

0:36:13.920,0:36:14.320
of it

0:36:14.320,0:36:16.480
planning out blah blah blah making

0:36:16.480,0:36:17.839
prototypes drawing stuff

0:36:17.839,0:36:19.119
or you just come up at the end and

0:36:19.119,0:36:20.320
eventually going to get everyone else to

0:36:20.320,0:36:22.079
like build your vision

0:36:22.079,0:36:23.920
i've written some because i was a

0:36:23.920,0:36:25.119
producer for the

0:36:25.119,0:36:27.119
design department you know as i said

0:36:27.119,0:36:29.119
like i hold on to things and i'm like a

0:36:29.119,0:36:30.240
sponge so

0:36:30.240,0:36:34.079
um i saw you know the documentation um

0:36:34.079,0:36:35.839
the you know the prototypes that they

0:36:35.839,0:36:37.359
had made you know

0:36:37.359,0:36:40.000
just everything um i really took it on

0:36:40.000,0:36:41.920
board and so i'm doing

0:36:41.920,0:36:44.640
uh what i can outside of the unity

0:36:44.640,0:36:46.240
engine at the moment

0:36:46.240,0:36:49.119
so once i hire people they will be

0:36:49.119,0:36:50.560
actually creating the prototype

0:36:50.560,0:36:53.280
for me on a contract um and then we'll

0:36:53.280,0:36:55.520
go and secure more funding if we haven't

0:36:55.520,0:36:56.000
already

0:36:56.000,0:36:58.240
and then i'll officially employ them if

0:36:58.240,0:37:00.160
they want to stay on board

0:37:00.160,0:37:02.640
and then hire like a wider team so

0:37:02.640,0:37:04.000
that's sort of my game plan at the

0:37:04.000,0:37:05.920
moment but as far as the game design

0:37:05.920,0:37:06.800
goes

0:37:06.800,0:37:09.440
uh you know i've designed the the sort

0:37:09.440,0:37:10.079
of

0:37:10.079,0:37:12.480
vision for the intro of the game the

0:37:12.480,0:37:13.680
cutscenes

0:37:13.680,0:37:16.880
uh the first uh narration of the game

0:37:16.880,0:37:19.839
and you know who you interact with as a

0:37:19.839,0:37:22.000
player first and i've i've sort of laid

0:37:22.000,0:37:24.079
out their vision so it's easy to sort of

0:37:24.079,0:37:25.359
uh pivot off

0:37:25.359,0:37:27.520
when it does come to putting it um into

0:37:27.520,0:37:29.280
a prototype

0:37:29.280,0:37:31.599
wow that's incredible and for anybody

0:37:31.599,0:37:33.040
who doesn't really understand

0:37:33.040,0:37:35.760
like the process that it takes how long

0:37:35.760,0:37:37.520
has have you been like designing this

0:37:37.520,0:37:39.440
game and it's been in your mind and

0:37:39.440,0:37:41.920
and then how do you well first answer

0:37:41.920,0:37:42.800
that and we'll get to

0:37:42.800,0:37:45.839
a little bit more into it okay so as of

0:37:45.839,0:37:46.720
this year

0:37:46.720,0:37:49.920
i've gone full time into working on the

0:37:49.920,0:37:50.880
business

0:37:50.880,0:37:53.920
last year was more sort of part-time

0:37:53.920,0:37:55.760
um you know because last year was quite

0:37:55.760,0:37:57.680
tough for everybody and i was still

0:37:57.680,0:37:59.839
streaming and whatnot so

0:37:59.839,0:38:03.839
um i would say from

0:38:03.839,0:38:06.000
oh i don't really know exactly when i

0:38:06.000,0:38:07.680
started designing my game

0:38:07.680,0:38:11.359
i had a game idea that had the same core

0:38:11.359,0:38:13.760
mechanics but the story was different

0:38:13.760,0:38:16.640
and i decided that i needed to iterate

0:38:16.640,0:38:17.440
on the story

0:38:17.440,0:38:19.280
it was actually going to be about uh

0:38:19.280,0:38:20.720
mental health

0:38:20.720,0:38:23.119
and so i thought you know what that's

0:38:23.119,0:38:24.000
actually

0:38:24.000,0:38:26.079
i want to do that sometime but i think

0:38:26.079,0:38:28.320
as a first title it's probably a bit too

0:38:28.320,0:38:29.119
much

0:38:29.119,0:38:30.960
um you know those shoes are really big

0:38:30.960,0:38:33.119
to fill and you have to do it right so i

0:38:33.119,0:38:36.160
sort of was like okay i'll bench that

0:38:36.160,0:38:38.560
for another game and then i decided to

0:38:38.560,0:38:40.400
make a different story revolving around

0:38:40.400,0:38:41.839
these core mechanics again

0:38:41.839,0:38:44.160
and then i was so much happier with this

0:38:44.160,0:38:45.359
design so

0:38:45.359,0:38:47.520
there has been a second iteration of the

0:38:47.520,0:38:48.640
game already

0:38:48.640,0:38:52.240
um that just you know this year i'm

0:38:52.240,0:38:53.119
hoping to

0:38:53.119,0:38:56.160
get the prototype done around about

0:38:56.160,0:38:57.520
mid-year

0:38:57.520,0:39:00.960
and i'm aiming to release the game 2023

0:39:00.960,0:39:03.920
possibly 2024 so just spend it at two or

0:39:03.920,0:39:05.359
three years of the game

0:39:05.359,0:39:08.000
um you know for chromatic pie i don't

0:39:08.000,0:39:08.480
see

0:39:08.480,0:39:11.839
the studio turning into a big um

0:39:11.839,0:39:15.359
realistic graphics uh big aaa

0:39:15.359,0:39:18.640
sort of sort of company i want to work

0:39:18.640,0:39:19.440
on

0:39:19.440,0:39:22.640
smaller games so the company can work on

0:39:22.640,0:39:23.680
different ips

0:39:23.680,0:39:26.800
at the same time and

0:39:26.800,0:39:28.720
yeah hopefully raking more money that

0:39:28.720,0:39:30.480
way than you know spending

0:39:30.480,0:39:33.200
five to six seven eight years on one

0:39:33.200,0:39:33.920
title

0:39:33.920,0:39:36.000
you know that's pretty tough it's pretty

0:39:36.000,0:39:37.280
tough on the team

0:39:37.280,0:39:40.720
and i i am so wowed by the companies

0:39:40.720,0:39:42.160
that that do that

0:39:42.160,0:39:44.960
but i've also seen the the struggles and

0:39:44.960,0:39:46.640
the many struggles

0:39:46.640,0:39:48.560
of you know going through that so for me

0:39:48.560,0:39:50.720
i want to have small teams working on

0:39:50.720,0:39:52.079
smaller games

0:39:52.079,0:39:55.200
um and yet run the company that way

0:39:55.200,0:39:56.800
that's smart we have a saying in this

0:39:56.800,0:39:58.880
podcast where it's like don't make wow

0:39:58.880,0:40:01.520
don't make the biggest thing possible

0:40:01.520,0:40:02.800
make small games

0:40:02.800,0:40:05.359
and then eventually you can make that

0:40:05.359,0:40:05.839
yeah

0:40:05.839,0:40:08.880
just down the line yeah yeah exactly

0:40:08.880,0:40:11.359
and so then when you're now designing

0:40:11.359,0:40:12.640
and thinking about this game do you have

0:40:12.640,0:40:13.359
like

0:40:13.359,0:40:16.319
as like a setup that you have to design

0:40:16.319,0:40:17.920
the game like do you have like a board

0:40:17.920,0:40:21.440
nodes flow charts yeah so

0:40:21.440,0:40:24.720
yep so i have a whiteboard which i laid

0:40:24.720,0:40:25.280
out

0:40:25.280,0:40:28.319
my sort of uh the steps to

0:40:28.319,0:40:31.599
the game's completion and then involved

0:40:31.599,0:40:33.440
in the earlier days like launching the

0:40:33.440,0:40:34.319
website

0:40:34.319,0:40:37.359
um completing the business plan uh you

0:40:37.359,0:40:38.000
know all these

0:40:38.000,0:40:40.319
little all this this little road map of

0:40:40.319,0:40:41.440
those sort of things

0:40:41.440,0:40:43.920
um so i'm a visual person and i need to

0:40:43.920,0:40:45.359
you know have that sort of

0:40:45.359,0:40:47.119
vision that's that's always there for me

0:40:47.119,0:40:49.839
to look at uh so i had that i've also

0:40:49.839,0:40:51.359
got a compendium

0:40:51.359,0:40:54.400
that's filled with you know my ideas

0:40:54.400,0:40:56.160
meeting notes from the meetings that i

0:40:56.160,0:40:58.720
have being a producer you know i've

0:40:58.720,0:41:01.200
i really learned a lot of skills with

0:41:01.200,0:41:03.280
taking down notes and referring to them

0:41:03.280,0:41:04.480
later

0:41:04.480,0:41:06.800
so i found that yeah compendium was very

0:41:06.800,0:41:08.000
helpful

0:41:08.000,0:41:11.040
um what else have i got i've got a book

0:41:11.040,0:41:12.800
it's actually just like a i don't know

0:41:12.800,0:41:14.319
if i have it here with me at the moment

0:41:14.319,0:41:14.880
but

0:41:14.880,0:41:18.319
it's just like a a 2b 2b

0:41:18.319,0:41:20.720
i think a red book and i just scribbled

0:41:20.720,0:41:22.400
in it all these game ideas you know on

0:41:22.400,0:41:24.160
every single page just like leaving my

0:41:24.160,0:41:25.040
brain just like

0:41:25.040,0:41:28.640
fight to the paper and um

0:41:28.640,0:41:30.880
nice and so like that really helped me

0:41:30.880,0:41:33.040
like just get all the creativity out and

0:41:33.040,0:41:34.960
then from there i put it into like a

0:41:34.960,0:41:36.960
more tidier format

0:41:36.960,0:41:40.160
um so i am someone that doesn't really

0:41:40.160,0:41:42.160
like to

0:41:42.160,0:41:44.400
write all my ideas digitally from the

0:41:44.400,0:41:46.240
get go i'm more of someone that likes

0:41:46.240,0:41:48.720
pencil and paper you know pen on paper

0:41:48.720,0:41:52.000
and then yeah go from there um

0:41:52.000,0:41:54.000
you know i mean the kids these days that

0:41:54.000,0:41:55.520
are growing up they're gonna be more

0:41:55.520,0:41:56.800
digital you know

0:41:56.800,0:41:58.640
put it all in there but for me you know

0:41:58.640,0:42:01.280
i it helps my creativity when i hold

0:42:01.280,0:42:03.040
like a pin in my hand

0:42:03.040,0:42:05.599
um and you know i've got a uh a

0:42:05.599,0:42:06.720
microsoft

0:42:06.720,0:42:10.480
uh laptop that microsoft kindly uh

0:42:10.480,0:42:11.599
gifted to me

0:42:11.599,0:42:14.000
for the use of chromatic pie which was

0:42:14.000,0:42:14.720
amazing

0:42:14.720,0:42:17.359
thank you again if you're listening but

0:42:17.359,0:42:18.319
so i use that

0:42:18.319,0:42:21.119
as a as a dedicated uh device for

0:42:21.119,0:42:22.880
chromatic pie and it's strong enough to

0:42:22.880,0:42:23.520
run

0:42:23.520,0:42:26.880
unity it comes off as a tablet as well

0:42:26.880,0:42:29.520
uh so i can draw on it and it's just

0:42:29.520,0:42:30.000
yeah

0:42:30.000,0:42:31.520
yeah you really need to surround

0:42:31.520,0:42:34.319
yourself with um these different

0:42:34.319,0:42:37.520
um pieces that allow you to incorporate

0:42:37.520,0:42:39.040
them separately

0:42:39.040,0:42:41.680
um and put them into a computer when

0:42:41.680,0:42:43.839
you're done

0:42:43.839,0:42:45.119
and do you have anything running on

0:42:45.119,0:42:47.200
unity yet like a little like

0:42:47.200,0:42:51.040
little moving flick blob

0:42:52.000,0:42:55.280
yeah so i i we i started learning about

0:42:55.280,0:42:56.240
unity

0:42:56.240,0:42:58.800
uh last year because the studio i worked

0:42:58.800,0:43:00.800
at worked inside unreal

0:43:00.800,0:43:03.200
so unity was something new for me but i

0:43:03.200,0:43:04.480
i knew that

0:43:04.480,0:43:07.280
working on a platformer in unity was was

0:43:07.280,0:43:09.280
quite beneficial

0:43:09.280,0:43:10.640
so i went through their sort of

0:43:10.640,0:43:12.960
tutorials and at the moment i'm still

0:43:12.960,0:43:15.920
um gaining a deeper understanding on how

0:43:15.920,0:43:16.319
to

0:43:16.319,0:43:18.800
uh how to work it there's a youtube

0:43:18.800,0:43:20.240
channel called bracky's

0:43:20.240,0:43:21.520
i don't know if you know that youtube

0:43:21.520,0:43:24.079
channel yeah so they've been super

0:43:24.079,0:43:24.720
helpful

0:43:24.720,0:43:26.560
and they made a video i think a few

0:43:26.560,0:43:27.920
months ago or something that they're

0:43:27.920,0:43:31.200
like they're gone they're like goodbye

0:43:31.200,0:43:35.520
i was like no i can use you

0:43:35.520,0:43:37.520
yeah but you know there's heaps on there

0:43:37.520,0:43:40.400
so i'm all about uh self

0:43:40.400,0:43:42.480
you know teaching yourself uh motivating

0:43:42.480,0:43:43.440
yourself

0:43:43.440,0:43:45.359
um actually another important aspect i

0:43:45.359,0:43:46.960
didn't tell you uh

0:43:46.960,0:43:48.960
with you know starting chromatic pies

0:43:48.960,0:43:50.640
i've actually been listening to a lot of

0:43:50.640,0:43:51.520
audio books

0:43:51.520,0:43:54.640
on uh entrepreneurship and on business

0:43:54.640,0:43:55.200
and on

0:43:55.200,0:43:57.680
um finally really who's your favorite or

0:43:57.680,0:44:00.079
what's your favorite book

0:44:00.079,0:44:03.040
so most of them are uh written by women

0:44:03.040,0:44:04.480
and they're read by women because i

0:44:04.480,0:44:05.520
really do want to

0:44:05.520,0:44:08.880
listen you know and feel related to

0:44:08.880,0:44:12.240
in that regard so i don't i i've got my

0:44:12.240,0:44:13.440
phone in here i'll have to

0:44:13.440,0:44:15.200
reference to my phone because my memory

0:44:15.200,0:44:18.000
is uh is not the best

0:44:18.000,0:44:21.040
it's all good so i've listened to

0:44:21.040,0:44:24.400
uh unapologetically ambitious by shelly

0:44:24.400,0:44:26.240
archambault

0:44:26.240,0:44:28.319
the entrepreneur roller coaster by

0:44:28.319,0:44:30.000
darren hardy that was written by

0:44:30.000,0:44:33.599
a male um culture wins by

0:44:33.599,0:44:37.280
william van der blumen so i've listened

0:44:37.280,0:44:40.720
to quite a few and also some on just

0:44:40.720,0:44:42.319
video games and making video games in

0:44:42.319,0:44:44.240
general and they're super helpful

0:44:44.240,0:44:46.800
you know they're just i think people

0:44:46.800,0:44:47.680
should really

0:44:47.680,0:44:50.319
turn to self-help i don't know is there

0:44:50.319,0:44:51.599
a stigma around like

0:44:51.599,0:44:53.280
self-help you know that it doesn't

0:44:53.280,0:44:54.640
actually work because

0:44:54.640,0:44:57.440
i feel like that it's true but for me

0:44:57.440,0:44:59.680
like i've actually absorbed everything

0:44:59.680,0:45:02.319
as much as i can and it's it's great

0:45:02.319,0:45:04.400
yeah you're like my life is awesome i

0:45:04.400,0:45:05.760
don't know

0:45:05.760,0:45:08.319
but it's working for me no i self-help

0:45:08.319,0:45:09.839
is interesting because it

0:45:09.839,0:45:12.640
it does work it essentially i think

0:45:12.640,0:45:14.079
self-help

0:45:14.079,0:45:16.800
is what they teach you is pretty much

0:45:16.800,0:45:17.599
that's it like

0:45:17.599,0:45:20.160
so if one person tells you well you know

0:45:20.160,0:45:21.359
how to do this it's not

0:45:21.359,0:45:23.119
you don't need to read 30 or 40 other

0:45:23.119,0:45:24.000
books because they're all going to

0:45:24.000,0:45:25.119
basically tell you the same thing in

0:45:25.119,0:45:25.920
their own way

0:45:25.920,0:45:27.200
so i think that's where the stigma comes

0:45:27.200,0:45:28.079
where it's just like you get in the

0:45:28.079,0:45:29.599
cycle you keep reading the same thing

0:45:29.599,0:45:30.960
over and over and you feel motivated but

0:45:30.960,0:45:32.960
it's like all right you got the message

0:45:32.960,0:45:35.520
now go make it happen go do your thing

0:45:35.520,0:45:36.079
whoever

0:45:36.079,0:45:38.160
told you doesn't matter but just go i

0:45:38.160,0:45:39.680
think that's where the signal comes from

0:45:39.680,0:45:41.280
and just disunderstand and the whole

0:45:41.280,0:45:43.119
gurus online there's a lot of people

0:45:43.119,0:45:43.760
online

0:45:43.760,0:45:47.200
who destroy the self-help image they

0:45:47.200,0:45:48.880
don't know what they're talking about or

0:45:48.880,0:45:50.560
are they just starting their careers and

0:45:50.560,0:45:51.599
it's like maybe

0:45:51.599,0:45:53.359
you shouldn't be the one telling me how

0:45:53.359,0:45:55.040
to get my life

0:45:55.040,0:45:56.480
like so that's where the stigma i think

0:45:56.480,0:45:58.000
comes from but i i think it works

0:45:58.000,0:45:59.040
perfectly fine

0:45:59.040,0:46:00.480
and then actually this is another good

0:46:00.480,0:46:01.520
book you should read it's called

0:46:01.520,0:46:04.000
undaunted by characters

0:46:04.000,0:46:05.520
i've been thinking about picking that

0:46:05.520,0:46:07.440
one up yeah you sure it's amazing

0:46:07.440,0:46:08.960
it's it's incredible she's an amazing

0:46:08.960,0:46:10.480
person actually i did the podcaster

0:46:10.480,0:46:11.599
yesterday

0:46:11.599,0:46:14.880
where we talked about yeah so again she

0:46:14.880,0:46:16.160
just has this

0:46:16.160,0:46:18.400
uh mentality of just like whatever is in

0:46:18.400,0:46:19.520
front of me that's okay

0:46:19.520,0:46:21.520
i will get through it this might not

0:46:21.520,0:46:23.440
work what can we do and that's one of my

0:46:23.440,0:46:24.079
favorite quotes

0:46:24.079,0:46:25.680
look it's like yeah you're right like

0:46:25.680,0:46:27.440
okay this obstacles in my way i can't do

0:46:27.440,0:46:28.160
this

0:46:28.160,0:46:30.640
but what can i do besides all that what

0:46:30.640,0:46:32.640
can we do to go around it to make it

0:46:32.640,0:46:33.440
happen because

0:46:33.440,0:46:35.440
why not let's just let's see what

0:46:35.440,0:46:37.119
happens you can try she says

0:46:37.119,0:46:38.880
the one thing that really is important

0:46:38.880,0:46:40.640
to her and what everybody should like

0:46:40.640,0:46:43.040
take from the podcast is just try

0:46:43.040,0:46:45.280
just try it just try that studio you

0:46:45.280,0:46:46.720
want to make just try to make that game

0:46:46.720,0:46:47.920
just try to do that

0:46:47.920,0:46:49.920
to get la's just try you'll never know

0:46:49.920,0:46:51.359
what could happen you might succeed if

0:46:51.359,0:46:52.400
you don't you learn

0:46:52.400,0:46:55.440
you do when you learn exactly so that's

0:46:55.440,0:46:56.720
what i take from self-help and it's

0:46:56.720,0:46:57.839
helped me too like i

0:46:57.839,0:47:00.319
i don't know what to tell people i know

0:47:00.319,0:47:01.040
i'm sorry

0:47:01.040,0:47:02.800
to work for you i mean i didn't spend

0:47:02.800,0:47:04.480
like ten thousand dollars on things so

0:47:04.480,0:47:05.680
that might be the thing too

0:47:05.680,0:47:07.359
i just buy the books and then listen to

0:47:07.359,0:47:09.200
the free stuff online and

0:47:09.200,0:47:12.079
so yep exactly yeah no it's um they've

0:47:12.079,0:47:12.400
been

0:47:12.400,0:47:14.480
extremely valuable and i think i will

0:47:14.480,0:47:16.000
always listen you know i've got the

0:47:16.000,0:47:17.040
monthly

0:47:17.040,0:47:20.240
um audible um

0:47:20.240,0:47:22.480
ship uh what do you call it um

0:47:22.480,0:47:23.280
subscription

0:47:23.280,0:47:25.359
so i'm always going to be reading

0:47:25.359,0:47:27.359
because of that

0:47:27.359,0:47:29.359
i love reading reading is so much fun

0:47:29.359,0:47:30.720
you learn so much

0:47:30.720,0:47:32.079
i feel like nobody reads anymore i don't

0:47:32.079,0:47:34.079
know if that's just me but i don't know

0:47:34.079,0:47:36.400
well for me i listen to the audiobook so

0:47:36.400,0:47:38.480
i can like do my dishes like i have to

0:47:38.480,0:47:40.319
multitask i don't want to like

0:47:40.319,0:47:42.640
i can't sit still for too long like i'm

0:47:42.640,0:47:44.880
always like moving my hand or my leg or

0:47:44.880,0:47:46.000
something so

0:47:46.000,0:47:47.520
i love listening to audio books because

0:47:47.520,0:47:49.760
i can like do something else at the same

0:47:49.760,0:47:52.000
time

0:47:52.079,0:47:53.920
so how do you like stay put when you

0:47:53.920,0:47:55.839
twitch streaming do you just like how

0:47:55.839,0:47:58.800
long do you twist before

0:47:58.800,0:48:02.240
um possibly i think nowadays between two

0:48:02.240,0:48:03.599
and four hours at a time

0:48:03.599,0:48:06.319
you know nothing too uh in my earlier

0:48:06.319,0:48:07.920
twitch streaming days

0:48:07.920,0:48:10.319
i would do a 24 hour stream about once a

0:48:10.319,0:48:12.000
week

0:48:12.000,0:48:14.480
yeah and it was not good for my health

0:48:14.480,0:48:15.280
no not

0:48:15.280,0:48:18.079
at all you know it's not healthy you

0:48:18.079,0:48:20.640
know it's not sustainable um

0:48:20.640,0:48:22.400
so again do i stream for shorter than

0:48:22.400,0:48:24.480
this

0:48:25.680,0:48:26.800
how'd you stay put when you're doing

0:48:26.800,0:48:28.800
twitch streams you just like in the flow

0:48:28.800,0:48:32.240
focus yeah you know i do i

0:48:32.240,0:48:35.839
i shift myself on my seat sometimes i

0:48:35.839,0:48:38.319
i get sore knees you know if i sit for

0:48:38.319,0:48:40.000
too long so i am

0:48:40.000,0:48:42.480
yeah so i have to like uh what i'm doing

0:48:42.480,0:48:44.160
right now is i've got my legs on one of

0:48:44.160,0:48:46.400
my computers underneath the desk

0:48:46.400,0:48:48.640
stretching out so yeah you know that's

0:48:48.640,0:48:50.079
just it's just me

0:48:50.079,0:48:53.040
um a lot of people are like that as some

0:48:53.040,0:48:54.079
can just like stay

0:48:54.079,0:48:56.559
still for hours on ends and i'm like how

0:48:56.559,0:48:59.359
do you do that

0:49:00.720,0:49:02.800
yeah it's hard i i have a little thing

0:49:02.800,0:49:04.960
for my feet to like raise me up so i can

0:49:04.960,0:49:05.359
stay

0:49:05.359,0:49:08.160
comfortable but it's tough i don't know

0:49:08.160,0:49:10.000
because i see this chair like most of my

0:49:10.000,0:49:10.640
day

0:49:10.640,0:49:13.520
so yeah

0:49:14.000,0:49:15.760
those standing deaths are pretty good

0:49:15.760,0:49:17.599
but i don't know if i

0:49:17.599,0:49:19.920
i'd probably like switch it up like five

0:49:19.920,0:49:22.400
times a day and be like

0:49:22.400,0:49:24.079
it's too comfortable to like as much as

0:49:24.079,0:49:25.440
it helps it's nice like

0:49:25.440,0:49:26.720
i don't know there's just something nice

0:49:26.720,0:49:28.880
about being like all right i'm in my

0:49:28.880,0:49:29.760
chair

0:49:29.760,0:49:31.440
i'm like it's like star trek i'm

0:49:31.440,0:49:33.040
enterprise i'm in control

0:49:33.040,0:49:36.000
i don't know yeah

0:49:36.400,0:49:39.760
that's funny but yeah so let's see

0:49:39.760,0:49:42.079
what that mentality you talk about being

0:49:42.079,0:49:43.680
to self-help do you feel like that's

0:49:43.680,0:49:44.000
something

0:49:44.000,0:49:46.160
people can learn to grow into or is that

0:49:46.160,0:49:48.800
something that's just like

0:49:48.800,0:49:50.640
it's like what's the inner talk that

0:49:50.640,0:49:52.079
goes through you that makes you be more

0:49:52.079,0:49:53.040
optimistic because i feel like you're

0:49:53.040,0:49:54.640
very optimistic go get a courageous

0:49:54.640,0:49:55.839
person so like

0:49:55.839,0:49:57.760
yes what goes through your mindset is it

0:49:57.760,0:49:59.280
like hey this is not gonna work out and

0:49:59.280,0:50:00.720
you're like no it is and then you go do

0:50:00.720,0:50:02.000
it like

0:50:02.000,0:50:03.839
but you're in a diary yeah you know i

0:50:03.839,0:50:05.440
thought i've got a lot of fight

0:50:05.440,0:50:08.480
in me um and i do like to exhaust my

0:50:08.480,0:50:09.920
options so i know

0:50:09.920,0:50:12.640
that they're exhausted you know if they

0:50:12.640,0:50:13.839
if they don't work out

0:50:13.839,0:50:16.880
so for example example when i moved to

0:50:16.880,0:50:19.599
usa you know i before i moved over there

0:50:19.599,0:50:21.119
with my son

0:50:21.119,0:50:23.040
i was like you know what i don't want to

0:50:23.040,0:50:24.400
leave my family

0:50:24.400,0:50:28.000
i don't want to feel alone you know all

0:50:28.000,0:50:29.520
these things and

0:50:29.520,0:50:31.440
i don't want to you know leave this

0:50:31.440,0:50:33.119
person

0:50:33.119,0:50:35.200
so i was just like you know what i just

0:50:35.200,0:50:36.400
need to go

0:50:36.400,0:50:38.400
because i might regret it later on if i

0:50:38.400,0:50:40.559
don't and so i went

0:50:40.559,0:50:43.680
and it didn't work out and it was

0:50:43.680,0:50:46.240
horrible but i don't regret it and i i

0:50:46.240,0:50:47.359
learnt so much

0:50:47.359,0:50:49.920
and it's sort of the same attitude that

0:50:49.920,0:50:50.960
i took with me

0:50:50.960,0:50:53.920
so i moved back to my mother's place

0:50:53.920,0:50:56.079
when i moved back from america

0:50:56.079,0:50:58.480
i did previously have my own apartment

0:50:58.480,0:50:59.520
but someone else

0:50:59.520,0:51:01.680
moved in unfortunately so i went back to

0:51:01.680,0:51:03.200
my mom's

0:51:03.200,0:51:05.200
and then i got my job in community

0:51:05.200,0:51:07.119
management and being a producer and i

0:51:07.119,0:51:08.079
actually moved

0:51:08.079,0:51:10.400
so i moved to where i am now called

0:51:10.400,0:51:11.280
wellington

0:51:11.280,0:51:13.280
and i have no family here it's just me

0:51:13.280,0:51:15.359
and my son and so i moved here not

0:51:15.359,0:51:16.960
knowing many people

0:51:16.960,0:51:20.160
um making friends at the studio i was at

0:51:20.160,0:51:22.480
and so you know i i am quite brave in

0:51:22.480,0:51:24.160
that regard and i've sort of

0:51:24.160,0:51:26.559
you know come up with this this attitude

0:51:26.559,0:51:27.520
and this

0:51:27.520,0:51:30.079
this way of life where you just need to

0:51:30.079,0:51:31.280
you need to do the thing

0:51:31.280,0:51:33.119
you know for me it's a matter of

0:51:33.119,0:51:35.520
securing a good life for my son and for

0:51:35.520,0:51:36.240
myself

0:51:36.240,0:51:37.760
and you know doing something i'm

0:51:37.760,0:51:39.440
passionate about and

0:51:39.440,0:51:40.960
there's nothing that could really get in

0:51:40.960,0:51:43.040
my way to to achieve that so it really

0:51:43.040,0:51:45.280
depends on like how badly you

0:51:45.280,0:51:46.800
you want something how badly you're

0:51:46.800,0:51:48.880
envisioning it

0:51:48.880,0:51:51.040
so self-help books when i first started

0:51:51.040,0:51:51.920
listening to them

0:51:51.920,0:51:54.559
that and uh their inner voice for me was

0:51:54.559,0:51:54.960
like

0:51:54.960,0:51:57.200
uh these people are strangers you know

0:51:57.200,0:51:58.079
they're telling you

0:51:58.079,0:51:59.839
what to do because you're not doing it

0:51:59.839,0:52:01.119
right you know

0:52:01.119,0:52:03.119
and so like that's it that's a natural

0:52:03.119,0:52:05.359
response to have but you do get past

0:52:05.359,0:52:07.440
that and then you become more like open

0:52:07.440,0:52:08.079
to

0:52:08.079,0:52:11.359
others perspectives experiences and it

0:52:11.359,0:52:13.280
makes you just a better like

0:52:13.280,0:52:16.800
all-around person and so that's really

0:52:16.800,0:52:17.440
why i

0:52:17.440,0:52:21.040
do enjoy listening to them yeah i think

0:52:21.040,0:52:22.800
everybody should at least like

0:52:22.800,0:52:24.720
surround themselves with something

0:52:24.720,0:52:26.720
self-help-ish whether it's motivational

0:52:26.720,0:52:29.119
videos or inspiration or audiobooks

0:52:29.119,0:52:30.960
because i also kind of like that quote

0:52:30.960,0:52:32.559
where who you surround yourself is who

0:52:32.559,0:52:33.520
you will be

0:52:33.520,0:52:34.800
so if like let's say you're in a bad

0:52:34.800,0:52:36.960
environment if you put on the headphones

0:52:36.960,0:52:38.559
and put on positive stuff you're gonna

0:52:38.559,0:52:39.680
feel better you're gonna

0:52:39.680,0:52:41.680
you're gonna feel like in in fact you

0:52:41.680,0:52:42.559
might even feel like those are your

0:52:42.559,0:52:43.680
friends so you'll be like i wanna

0:52:43.680,0:52:45.280
impress them i wanna be like them i

0:52:45.280,0:52:46.160
don't want to let them down

0:52:46.160,0:52:48.079
so you start to work on yourself start

0:52:48.079,0:52:50.000
to take care of yourself better start to

0:52:50.000,0:52:52.240
mentally think positive thoughts it's

0:52:52.240,0:52:53.680
it's crazy what your environment can do

0:52:53.680,0:52:54.880
you can put you in a negative place or a

0:52:54.880,0:52:56.400
positive place so try to move yourself

0:52:56.400,0:53:00.000
forward into a positive place exactly

0:53:00.000,0:53:02.319
so when you learn you're learning unity

0:53:02.319,0:53:03.680
right now what is the process like for

0:53:03.680,0:53:04.880
you learning unity are you

0:53:04.880,0:53:06.640
just like watching a video day you

0:53:06.640,0:53:08.160
spending like tons of hours

0:53:08.160,0:53:11.440
how do you effectively learn unity um

0:53:11.440,0:53:14.000
as of this year i haven't learned too

0:53:14.000,0:53:16.400
much i've been working on the studio

0:53:16.400,0:53:19.520
since uh the 11th of january so

0:53:19.520,0:53:20.960
i've already been full time for a little

0:53:20.960,0:53:23.119
bit this year but for me

0:53:23.119,0:53:25.760
um i started my process uh yeah just

0:53:25.760,0:53:27.280
downloading it going through the

0:53:27.280,0:53:29.599
tutorials unity is really great because

0:53:29.599,0:53:31.680
you've got these uh different tutorials

0:53:31.680,0:53:32.720
suited for

0:53:32.720,0:53:34.559
how you want to use unity you know what

0:53:34.559,0:53:36.960
kind of game do you want to make

0:53:36.960,0:53:39.200
and so they've got a platformer tutorial

0:53:39.200,0:53:41.119
that was really helpful to me so i've

0:53:41.119,0:53:42.000
gone through that a few

0:53:42.000,0:53:45.520
times and i do i'm a big person for

0:53:45.520,0:53:47.119
doing something more than once you know

0:53:47.119,0:53:49.040
if you really want to retain

0:53:49.040,0:53:51.119
um what you're learning you need to do

0:53:51.119,0:53:52.319
it more than once you

0:53:52.319,0:53:53.680
need to do it multiple times so i'm

0:53:53.680,0:53:55.680
doing that and also

0:53:55.680,0:53:59.599
you know the brekkies videos um i'm also

0:53:59.599,0:54:02.319
learning from other youtube people and

0:54:02.319,0:54:04.880
the game dev scene as well

0:54:04.880,0:54:07.200
um i really just yeah surround myself

0:54:07.200,0:54:08.720
with these different people different

0:54:08.720,0:54:10.319
mediums of

0:54:10.319,0:54:13.440
uh ways to learn you know things that i

0:54:13.440,0:54:15.839
i need i feel that i need to learn

0:54:15.839,0:54:17.680
um so i'm really just trying to support

0:54:17.680,0:54:19.040
myself in that manner but

0:54:19.040,0:54:20.400
you know unity is going to take some

0:54:20.400,0:54:24.319
time um i you know in my job role as a

0:54:24.319,0:54:26.319
studio director and owner i'm not going

0:54:26.319,0:54:28.559
to be inside unity a lot but i do feel

0:54:28.559,0:54:29.920
it's important to have you know

0:54:29.920,0:54:32.640
the a decent understanding of the engine

0:54:32.640,0:54:33.280
that you are

0:54:33.280,0:54:36.400
using um because if you don't then then

0:54:36.400,0:54:38.880
what are you doing yeah exactly right

0:54:38.880,0:54:40.240
you know

0:54:40.240,0:54:41.680
that's literally so i'm not going full

0:54:41.680,0:54:44.559
head but i am learning enough yeah

0:54:44.559,0:54:45.599
yeah there's no self-help thing

0:54:45.599,0:54:47.200
everywhere it's just like even if you're

0:54:47.200,0:54:48.160
not going to

0:54:48.160,0:54:50.400
i don't know how it was like leadership

0:54:50.400,0:54:52.400
it's like if you're going to be a leader

0:54:52.400,0:54:53.839
of somebody at least have an

0:54:53.839,0:54:55.599
understanding of what they're doing so

0:54:55.599,0:54:56.960
that way you can understand that

0:54:56.960,0:54:58.319
the progress they're at like if somebody

0:54:58.319,0:54:59.920
says hey i need to like do this thing

0:54:59.920,0:55:00.480
you're like

0:55:00.480,0:55:01.520
i understand it's going to take you

0:55:01.520,0:55:03.520
probably six hours instead of being like

0:55:03.520,0:55:05.040
why don't you have it done or like get

0:55:05.040,0:55:05.680
it's like no

0:55:05.680,0:55:07.119
you have an understanding so you can

0:55:07.119,0:55:09.119
better handle and lead your team

0:55:09.119,0:55:11.119
towards you know build a better culture

0:55:11.119,0:55:12.799
because of that so yeah

0:55:12.799,0:55:16.079
i agree yep exactly definitely

0:55:16.079,0:55:18.960
so if anybody wanted to volunteer for

0:55:18.960,0:55:20.079
let's say like to help you

0:55:20.079,0:55:22.319
out what what is the process like that

0:55:22.319,0:55:24.079
are you doing anything like that

0:55:24.079,0:55:25.680
or you're just keeping it closed until

0:55:25.680,0:55:28.400
you have all your investors

0:55:28.400,0:55:31.200
um yeah for me it's you know i've got

0:55:31.200,0:55:32.559
some friends that are interested in

0:55:32.559,0:55:35.280
coming on board i've got one that wants

0:55:35.280,0:55:35.680
to

0:55:35.680,0:55:37.920
possibly be on the board of directors

0:55:37.920,0:55:38.880
and he

0:55:38.880,0:55:41.040
is he loves video games plays them but

0:55:41.040,0:55:42.799
he's more of like you know the business

0:55:42.799,0:55:43.440
east side

0:55:43.440,0:55:45.839
type of thing so i've had support from

0:55:45.839,0:55:46.720
friends like that

0:55:46.720,0:55:48.640
also other friends in the industry that

0:55:48.640,0:55:51.280
are just you know an ear for me to

0:55:51.280,0:55:55.359
to talk to and to bounce ideas off and

0:55:55.359,0:55:57.040
it's it's really important to have that

0:55:57.040,0:55:58.559
sort of support system whether they're

0:55:58.559,0:56:00.319
going to be a co-founder or not you know

0:56:00.319,0:56:01.760
you need to talk to people

0:56:01.760,0:56:04.160
and and tell them what your plans are

0:56:04.160,0:56:06.400
and if necessary you know get them to

0:56:06.400,0:56:07.440
sign an nda

0:56:07.440,0:56:09.359
if you're telling secrets or something

0:56:09.359,0:56:11.040
oh yeah definitely be careful there

0:56:11.040,0:56:14.319
yeah so those are those are really

0:56:14.319,0:56:15.599
important um

0:56:15.599,0:56:17.359
but yeah for me at the moment is just

0:56:17.359,0:56:18.720
you know hopefully

0:56:18.720,0:56:21.440
uh getting into their incubation program

0:56:21.440,0:56:23.440
i'm doing the prerequisites right now

0:56:23.440,0:56:26.880
so i can um so what they what they are

0:56:26.880,0:56:28.799
they're called creative hq

0:56:28.799,0:56:30.640
and uh here in wellington and they're a

0:56:30.640,0:56:32.960
council funded

0:56:32.960,0:56:35.599
startup sort of supporting program and

0:56:35.599,0:56:36.240
so

0:56:36.240,0:56:39.200
if i get into there with my business

0:56:39.200,0:56:40.319
then they can

0:56:40.319,0:56:43.440
help me find more funding um and they'll

0:56:43.440,0:56:46.240
obviously like coach me on um making

0:56:46.240,0:56:49.280
sure my business is gonna succeed and

0:56:49.280,0:56:51.359
you know strategies and all that sort of

0:56:51.359,0:56:53.440
thing that can really help me so

0:56:53.440,0:56:56.000
yeah finding those avenues where you

0:56:56.000,0:56:58.319
know you're going to benefit from

0:56:58.319,0:57:01.760
um is extremely helpful and finding

0:57:01.760,0:57:04.880
funding is not easy so just just try and

0:57:04.880,0:57:07.680
try and stick at it yeah i like that

0:57:07.680,0:57:09.599
advice about the funding

0:57:09.599,0:57:11.040
now are you ever going to plan on doing

0:57:11.040,0:57:12.720
like a chromatic

0:57:12.720,0:57:15.920
pie discord or do you already have one i

0:57:15.920,0:57:18.079
i do have one but i haven't made it

0:57:18.079,0:57:18.960
public yet

0:57:18.960,0:57:20.880
uh i haven't finished all the channels

0:57:20.880,0:57:22.079
but yes i will be

0:57:22.079,0:57:24.480
uh launching a chromatic pie discord

0:57:24.480,0:57:25.599
there is also a

0:57:25.599,0:57:28.640
reddit page as well so make sure i've

0:57:28.640,0:57:31.359
got all the different social medias done

0:57:31.359,0:57:34.480
ready and again i yeah well kind of i

0:57:34.480,0:57:35.119
haven't

0:57:35.119,0:57:37.040
made the reddit public either i'm sort

0:57:37.040,0:57:39.040
of like okay once i make it public i'm

0:57:39.040,0:57:41.280
to have to spend time maintaining it

0:57:41.280,0:57:42.160
yeah true yeah

0:57:42.160,0:57:43.540
it's going to be yeah

0:57:43.540,0:57:45.760
[Laughter]

0:57:45.760,0:57:47.920
awesome okay and then so there's two

0:57:47.920,0:57:48.960
more things

0:57:48.960,0:57:50.400
one is what advice would you give

0:57:50.400,0:57:52.079
anybody short advice because we already

0:57:52.079,0:57:53.599
talked about mostly but for anybody just

0:57:53.599,0:57:55.359
saying hey i want to start my studio i

0:57:55.359,0:57:56.640
don't know where to go

0:57:56.640,0:57:57.839
what's like something short you would

0:57:57.839,0:57:59.680
tell them

0:57:59.680,0:58:02.799
um i would say you know um

0:58:02.799,0:58:06.079
the way i did it was you know is it

0:58:06.079,0:58:07.520
really what you want to do

0:58:07.520,0:58:10.319
you know you once you become an

0:58:10.319,0:58:12.960
entrepreneur you sort of have to

0:58:12.960,0:58:16.319
uh dedicate time and effort and money

0:58:16.319,0:58:19.359
even into you know

0:58:19.359,0:58:21.119
starting up the business that you want

0:58:21.119,0:58:22.400
to start up so

0:58:22.400,0:58:23.839
you can't just start it and then walk

0:58:23.839,0:58:25.680
away you know you have to be dedicated

0:58:25.680,0:58:27.680
and motivated to do it so

0:58:27.680,0:58:30.640
for me i had that uh from there you know

0:58:30.640,0:58:31.599
finding a name

0:58:31.599,0:58:34.559
for your business that stands out and

0:58:34.559,0:58:35.839
from the others you know that

0:58:35.839,0:58:36.799
encompasses

0:58:36.799,0:58:39.760
uh your vision which i found was like a

0:58:39.760,0:58:41.760
really neat amalgamation

0:58:41.760,0:58:44.400
uh to make uh you know you can name your

0:58:44.400,0:58:45.040
business

0:58:45.040,0:58:49.200
like for example like uh jbl you know

0:58:49.200,0:58:51.200
what does that mean i don't know what

0:58:51.200,0:58:53.599
that means um but you know like there's

0:58:53.599,0:58:56.640
you know juice box lovers

0:58:56.640,0:58:58.720
yeah yeah well like you know so there's

0:58:58.720,0:59:00.640
these names that can be catchy but they

0:59:00.640,0:59:01.520
have no meaning

0:59:01.520,0:59:02.640
so you know try and get a little bit

0:59:02.640,0:59:04.559
crafty with it um

0:59:04.559,0:59:07.200
which i found has really like benefited

0:59:07.200,0:59:08.960
me in chromatic pie because people it

0:59:08.960,0:59:10.559
can really relate uh

0:59:10.559,0:59:13.440
to what it is um and then you know just

0:59:13.440,0:59:14.960
yeah pushing forward and just being

0:59:14.960,0:59:16.880
motivated helping yourself

0:59:16.880,0:59:19.599
um don't be afraid to listen to other

0:59:19.599,0:59:21.680
people's opinions or perspectives you

0:59:21.680,0:59:24.640
know you need to bring those on board

0:59:24.640,0:59:27.680
i'm actually going to be conducting some

0:59:27.680,0:59:28.880
interviews next week

0:59:28.880,0:59:32.559
with accessibility and representation

0:59:32.559,0:59:35.680
so i'm interviewing people with uh um

0:59:35.680,0:59:39.280
who are partially blind who have various

0:59:39.280,0:59:41.599
disabilities and then also interviewing

0:59:41.599,0:59:44.400
people in their lgbtq

0:59:44.400,0:59:47.760
people of color and women and so

0:59:47.760,0:59:49.920
what i've done is i've it's called an

0:59:49.920,0:59:51.599
empathy interview

0:59:51.599,0:59:53.440
so you've got these cards that you lay

0:59:53.440,0:59:55.520
out and you name there

0:59:55.520,0:59:58.400
for example i've named five facts and

0:59:58.400,0:59:59.280
assumptions

0:59:59.280,1:00:02.559
that lay out the problems the solutions

1:00:02.559,1:00:03.359
the outcome

1:00:03.359,1:00:06.799
and the value of the product or what

1:00:06.799,1:00:07.920
you're trying to

1:00:07.920,1:00:11.359
to achieve and so i'll be with what i've

1:00:11.359,1:00:13.200
written down i'll be talking to these

1:00:13.200,1:00:14.960
people with accessibility

1:00:14.960,1:00:17.359
and and representation to really like

1:00:17.359,1:00:18.480
nail down

1:00:18.480,1:00:21.119
um if i have a really good idea on where

1:00:21.119,1:00:22.720
i want to go and how to make

1:00:22.720,1:00:24.960
the industry a a better place and how to

1:00:24.960,1:00:26.640
make games more accessible

1:00:26.640,1:00:28.400
so you know just exhaust all these

1:00:28.400,1:00:30.400
different avenues that could really like

1:00:30.400,1:00:32.240
launch yourself into being

1:00:32.240,1:00:35.920
successful wow that's a lot and that's

1:00:35.920,1:00:36.880
awesome

1:00:36.880,1:00:39.520
sorry yeah no no it's all good there is

1:00:39.520,1:00:42.640
a lie

1:00:42.640,1:00:44.480
and then lastly i like to do a little

1:00:44.480,1:00:45.920
challenge at the end because over the

1:00:45.920,1:00:46.559
game

1:00:46.559,1:00:48.319
courses have a challenge for the each

1:00:48.319,1:00:50.640
lecture so what would your challenge be

1:00:50.640,1:00:52.079
for all listeners listening could be

1:00:52.079,1:00:53.520
related to

1:00:53.520,1:00:55.040
being a studio it could be related to

1:00:55.040,1:00:56.240
producing really it's whatever you want

1:00:56.240,1:00:57.839
like would like it to be and you could

1:00:57.839,1:00:58.160
take

1:00:58.160,1:00:59.760
as much time you need to think of a

1:00:59.760,1:01:01.839
challenge

1:01:01.839,1:01:06.319
a challenge um oof i would say

1:01:06.319,1:01:09.520
oh can i mention audiobooks again

1:01:09.520,1:01:12.240
yeah you can yeah that's perfect go read

1:01:12.240,1:01:13.280
an audio book take

1:01:13.280,1:01:17.040
like you know aim for one audio book

1:01:17.040,1:01:19.040
a month you know to start off with aim

1:01:19.040,1:01:20.160
for that um

1:01:20.160,1:01:23.040
and the area that you want to learn from

1:01:23.040,1:01:23.680
um

1:01:23.680,1:01:24.799
you know i'll say that with like

1:01:24.799,1:01:26.880
anything you know whether it's a youtube

1:01:26.880,1:01:27.760
video

1:01:27.760,1:01:30.000
and watch you know maybe one youtube

1:01:30.000,1:01:31.359
video a week from

1:01:31.359,1:01:34.640
uh something you want to learn about um

1:01:34.640,1:01:38.240
honestly i'm just so like seated and

1:01:38.240,1:01:41.119
just doing it yourself you can do it you

1:01:41.119,1:01:41.680
know when

1:01:41.680,1:01:44.799
i was smaller or even when my when my

1:01:44.799,1:01:46.640
mum was my age you know

1:01:46.640,1:01:48.079
our parents they didn't have what we

1:01:48.079,1:01:50.160
have now you know they don't they didn't

1:01:50.160,1:01:52.079
have the internet with youtube and

1:01:52.079,1:01:55.359
all these different forums and advice

1:01:55.359,1:01:58.240
and you know everything we're so lucky

1:01:58.240,1:02:00.960
to grow up in this technological era so

1:02:00.960,1:02:03.760
definitely make the the most of it um

1:02:03.760,1:02:04.720
and learn

1:02:04.720,1:02:08.000
where you can um i would say

1:02:08.000,1:02:10.000
i don't know if i can name just just one

1:02:10.000,1:02:11.680
challenge because

1:02:11.680,1:02:16.079
it's all very like well-rounded um

1:02:16.079,1:02:18.559
so i i can't i'm sorry that's a little i

1:02:18.559,1:02:21.520
think that's all i'm going to say

1:02:21.520,1:02:23.599
it's all good that works picking on your

1:02:23.599,1:02:24.559
book you read it

1:02:24.559,1:02:26.000
and it's it's a challenge for you

1:02:26.000,1:02:28.240
listeners don't let anyone down

1:02:28.240,1:02:30.000
the books are good self-help's not evil

1:02:30.000,1:02:31.359
i promise

1:02:31.359,1:02:33.359
we read anything it could be game design

1:02:33.359,1:02:34.799
programming health

1:02:34.799,1:02:37.520
uh healthy books nutrition anything pick

1:02:37.520,1:02:38.400
a book

1:02:38.400,1:02:41.039
expand your mind grow i like it but yeah

1:02:41.039,1:02:42.400
so thank you for coming on this has been

1:02:42.400,1:02:43.200
so much fun

1:02:43.200,1:02:45.520
learning a lot love the chromatic pie i

1:02:45.520,1:02:47.119
love the pie i need to make that one day

1:02:47.119,1:02:47.839
i'm gonna

1:02:47.839,1:02:50.240
i love vegans i need that'd be so cute

1:02:50.240,1:02:52.480
yeah i'll tell you how to make it yeah

1:02:52.480,1:02:55.440
yes awesome yeah and then so usually at

1:02:55.440,1:02:56.160
the end we'll just

1:02:56.160,1:02:57.520
hand the mic to you when doing last

1:02:57.520,1:02:59.039
minute shout outs you know last minute

1:02:59.039,1:03:00.559
quotes whatever you feel

1:03:00.559,1:03:04.000
and thank you for coming on thank you

1:03:04.000,1:03:05.599
well yeah thank you so much for having

1:03:05.599,1:03:07.359
me it's been a pleasure you know i'm i'm

1:03:07.359,1:03:08.960
really honored that you reached out to

1:03:08.960,1:03:09.359
me

1:03:09.359,1:03:12.240
and uh i'm just so happy to be here and

1:03:12.240,1:03:12.559
for

1:03:12.559,1:03:15.359
everyone listening um i believe in you

1:03:15.359,1:03:17.039
just do the thing you know don't hold

1:03:17.039,1:03:18.000
yourself back you

1:03:18.000,1:03:19.680
you don't want to hold yourself back you

1:03:19.680,1:03:23.280
know be be a go-getter but be a smart

1:03:23.280,1:03:25.760
go-getter you know don't don't do it

1:03:25.760,1:03:28.000
overbought

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um but you can reach me on uh at

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loripops on twitter

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you can reach me on um you can go to

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quaranticpi.com

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um there is a blog about me there and

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with a little bit more background

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information too

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and of course on the studio and where we

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want to go

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and take care during this covered

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pandemic

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well that's it thanks for listening you

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