WEBVTT 00:00:06.060 --> 00:00:10.334 [Carrie Mae Weems: "Roaming"] 00:00:19.721 --> 00:00:21.502 I think that architecture, 00:00:21.502 --> 00:00:23.581 in its essence-- 00:00:24.351 --> 00:00:27.271 much of the fabric of it-- 00:00:27.271 --> 00:00:29.702 is very much about power. 00:00:32.692 --> 00:00:35.026 If we think about a place like Rome-- 00:00:35.026 --> 00:00:38.554 where I did a residency a few years ago-- 00:00:38.931 --> 00:00:41.331 what one is made to feel 00:00:41.561 --> 00:00:43.398 is the power of the state 00:00:43.398 --> 00:00:47.615 in relationship to the lower subject. 00:00:48.336 --> 00:00:49.702 To the lower subject-- 00:00:49.702 --> 00:00:51.270 to the general populace. 00:00:51.270 --> 00:00:54.333 You are always aware that you are, sort of, 00:00:54.333 --> 00:00:59.395 a minion in relationship to this enormous edifice-- 00:00:59.395 --> 00:01:01.004 the edifice of power. 00:01:02.702 --> 00:01:05.670 What is this relationship of power to you? 00:01:06.028 --> 00:01:08.264 And what is your relationship to power? 00:01:08.264 --> 00:01:10.341 And how do you contest it? 00:01:11.596 --> 00:01:13.964 And how do you try to make 00:01:15.074 --> 00:01:17.502 someone aware of it? 00:01:17.902 --> 00:01:21.072 So, you crawl towards the church. 00:01:21.072 --> 00:01:22.456 [LAUGHS] 00:01:26.902 --> 00:01:28.102 And so I thought, then, 00:01:28.102 --> 00:01:31.396 perhaps if I could use my own skin 00:01:31.396 --> 00:01:33.902 in a sort of series of performances. 00:01:33.902 --> 00:01:36.596 That I could use my own body as a way 00:01:36.596 --> 00:01:39.964 of leading the viewer into those spaces-- 00:01:39.964 --> 00:01:41.964 highly aware-- 00:01:41.964 --> 00:01:44.457 and challenging those spaces. 00:01:44.457 --> 00:01:45.304 Challenging them, 00:01:45.304 --> 00:01:48.365 and marking them for really what they are. 00:01:48.502 --> 00:01:50.996 That they are, of course, monumental, 00:01:50.996 --> 00:01:52.056 and they're beautiful, 00:01:52.056 --> 00:01:55.133 and the edifices are extraordinary. 00:01:55.533 --> 00:01:59.994 But, I'm not confused about what they're supposed to mean, 00:01:59.994 --> 00:02:02.302 and what they're supposed to do. 00:02:05.597 --> 00:02:07.670 Maybe most people are sort of aware of them, too. 00:02:07.670 --> 00:02:09.425 They just sort of accept-- 00:02:09.425 --> 00:02:11.301 they submit to them. 00:02:11.533 --> 00:02:14.103 And I'm, of course, more interested in challenging them, 00:02:14.103 --> 00:02:17.896 even when I think that they're sort of sublime in their way.