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Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.59,0:00:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Greetings Troublemakers... welcome to Trouble.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.25,0:00:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is not important.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.88,0:00:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In our post-Snowden, smart gadget-laden world,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.96,0:00:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it’s become clear to anyone paying attention
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.32,0:00:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we live in an era of unprecedented mass surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.76,0:00:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems like every day a new story
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.97,0:00:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pops up on our facebook feeds about how
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.00,0:00:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the NSA might be spying on us
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.54,0:00:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through our coffee makers or TV sets.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.94,0:00:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One... two...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.11,0:00:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Smith?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.78,0:00:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,6079 Smith W?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.84,0:00:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, you!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.10,0:00:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bend Lower!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.16,0:00:37.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or how the latest advancement in AI technology means that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.73,0:00:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amazon now knows what products we're gonna buy before we do.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.06,0:00:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lindor Chocolate Deluxe gift box... would you like to buy it?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.20,0:00:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.73,0:00:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And while the mind-boggling capacity of state intelligence agencies
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.88,0:00:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and IT corporations to monitor our behaviour,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.72,0:00:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,habits and communications
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.51,0:00:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a perfectly reasonable cause for alarm,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.94,0:00:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more unsettling reality is that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.98,0:01:02.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this constant flow of data collection forms only one part
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.59,0:01:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a much broader surveillance apparatus
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.15,0:01:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... one that still makes ample use of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.19,0:01:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same tried and tested dirty tricks
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.49,0:01:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that rulers have been using to keep tabs on dissent
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.69,0:01:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since proles first started scrawling
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.66,0:01:18.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alpha Kappa Alpha Beta into the walls of the Parthenon.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.67,0:01:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on that note... before we jump right into it,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.34,0:01:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should point out that as we were putting this episode together
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.22,0:01:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we ran into some legal grey areas
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.26,0:01:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving publication bans
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.91,0:01:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and laws against identifying undercover agents and informants.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.66,0:01:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is particularly relevant to our first segment,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.22,0:01:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we cover the multi-city organizing
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.94,0:01:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leading up to the 2010 G20 protests in Toronto,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.35,0:01:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the 2013 anti-fracking protests
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.06,0:01:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Mi’kmaq territory of Elsipogtog,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.42,0:01:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both of which were the target of large-scale intelligence operations
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.09,0:01:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involving informants and/or undercover police.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.68,0:01:53.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After mulling it over,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.83,0:01:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to avoid putting our crew,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.70,0:01:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or any of the people featured in the show in a sticky situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.19,0:02:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've made the call to only use footage and images
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.13,0:02:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these state assets that are already freely available on the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.19,0:02:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... plus a few clips from some cheesy Hollywood movies
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.99,0:02:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help fill in the gaps.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.38,0:02:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, with that little disclaimer out of the way
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.74,0:02:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... over the next 30 minutes, we'll share the voices of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.30,0:02:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a number of individuals as they recount their first-hand experiences
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.75,0:02:21.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dealing with snitches and undercover cops,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.20,0:02:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,navigating the brave new world of digital surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.42,0:02:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... and making a whole lotta trouble!
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.70,0:02:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was involved with the Anti-Capitalist Convergence
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.08,0:03:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Montreal leading up to the G20.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.33,0:03:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So several months before even the summit
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.37,0:03:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people had started to meet and organize.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.87,0:03:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other main element was coordinating with Toronto
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.53,0:03:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other cities in Southern Ontario
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.84,0:03:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the groups that were already organizing there.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.28,0:03:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was part of the Toronto Community Mobilization Network.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.31,0:03:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was a large umbrella group that was involved
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.68,0:03:24.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in doing all of the logistics and a lot of the organizing
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.61,0:03:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the G20 Summit in Toronto.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.70,0:03:29.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was also involved in SOAR,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.65,0:03:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Southern Ontario Anarchist Resistance.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.92,0:03:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were specifically on the project Get Off the Fence,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.38,0:03:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was the militant street march that happened in Toronto in 2010.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.91,0:03:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brenda and Khalid,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.19,0:03:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their real names are Brenda Carey and Bindo Showan.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.51,0:03:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we did not know that until later.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.42,0:03:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're both members of the Ontario Provincial Police (the OPP)
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.98,0:04:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they both arrived on the scene much earlier than 2010.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.08,0:04:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And entered mostly through above-ground organizing,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.29,0:04:07.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then had a much more complicated path
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.07,0:04:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to stay in the movement
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.15,0:04:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get close to people who they wanted to target.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.68,0:04:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both of those people played on sort of these political values
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.51,0:04:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that exist within those spaces
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.68,0:04:18.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to both get close to certain people,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.09,0:04:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and avoid being outed.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.46,0:04:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brenda was probably the more experienced cop,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.34,0:04:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she produced this kind of narrative of victimization.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.86,0:04:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so she had this story of escaping an abusive relationship,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.47,0:04:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this also allowed her to avoid answering questions
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.27,0:04:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about her past, and to be very evasive.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.25,0:04:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Khalid operated because anyone that questioned
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.80,0:04:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his legitimacy would instantly be called out as being racist.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.54,0:04:43.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because of all the internalized racism in our groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.95,0:04:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that slight-of-hand worked.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.62,0:04:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they were both really reliable.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.85,0:04:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they worked really hard,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.91,0:04:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they took on tasks and they always did them on time.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.44,0:04:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brenda in particular, I remember always wanted to take minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.94,0:05:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we were like “great... take minutes! We don't want to.”
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.78,0:05:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that was perfect because she could take all those notes
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.78,0:05:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was not drawing any attention to her.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.23,0:05:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Most of the evidence that was introduced
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.90,0:05:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the conspiracy case came from whatever they were able to collect
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.22,0:05:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their interactions with anarchists,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.82,0:05:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with activists, over this period of time.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.61,0:05:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These notes were then sifted through,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.22,0:05:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they basically just pulled out selected elements
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.86,0:05:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could conceivably constitute preparation for crimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.16,0:05:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was actually quite shocking to see
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.94,0:05:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much of the information that she recorded
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.12,0:05:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was personal information about who didn't really like who,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.87,0:05:39.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who was dating who, and who had broken up with who.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.05,0:05:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And who was maybe having some problems with the way
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.28,0:05:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things were being organized, and all of that stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.77,0:05:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it became really obvious that that stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.73,0:05:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was very very relevant to the intelligence gathering.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.48,0:05:52.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A night drinking...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.44,0:05:53.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going out with your friends and drinking,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.83,0:05:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would first be presented as, y'know,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.74,0:05:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“we went to the club and we noted all these things
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.66,0:05:58.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people talked about.”
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.100,0:06:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then it would end up looking like a very detailed meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.76,0:06:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that had on the agenda -- people might have made a joke
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.69,0:06:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about fighting cops,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.05,0:06:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it would just look like they planned to fight cops.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.10,0:06:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not clear that there was ever really an actual case against us.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.52,0:06:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But without their notes there definitely
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.66,0:06:17.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would not have been a case against us.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.15,0:06:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The case of the Crown rested mostly with a recording
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.92,0:06:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was done on June 25th,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.30,0:06:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was the day before the main action in Toronto.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.92,0:06:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was a large spokes-council,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.72,0:06:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so a lot of affinity groups were present and represented there.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.74,0:06:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Brenda was there with a recording device.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.12,0:06:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so on the night of the 25th they went to a judge
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.47,0:06:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they got warrants for the arrest of around 20 people,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.26,0:06:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of which was me.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.52,0:06:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the end there were 17 of us against whom
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.56,0:06:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the charges were maintained the longest,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.67,0:06:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were charged with conspiracy to obstruct police,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.30,0:06:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conspiracy to assault police
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.75,0:06:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and conspiracy to commit mischief
Dialogue: 0,0:06:55.94,0:06:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... which just means 'fuck shit up.'
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.92,0:07:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think there were at least seven police officers
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.59,0:07:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who had kind of medium-term infiltration roles.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.47,0:07:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's people who infiltrated the medics group,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.47,0:07:06.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who infiltrated the legal observers group,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.73,0:07:08.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were involved in different media projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.59,0:07:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's probably a lot of other infiltrators
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.14,0:07:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we just never found out about.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.24,0:07:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like I can imagine that probably in the context of
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.84,0:07:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the anti-Olympics stuff happening at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.05,0:07:17.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there were probably a lot of infiltrations
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.53,0:07:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening in Native communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.24,0:07:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Lieutenant Suzanne Patles of the Mi'Kmaq Warrior Society,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.72,0:07:24.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm from the Mi'Kmaq territory.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.89,0:07:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's evident that the Canadian Security,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.46,0:07:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Canada deems Indigenous people in general
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.56,0:07:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a threat to national security.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.96,0:07:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they see development in the oil and gas industry as critical
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.27,0:07:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,– and that's what they call it, 'critical infrastructure' –
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.39,0:07:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they think that it's what Canada needs
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.87,0:07:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to move forward as a so-called nation.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.50,0:07:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they see anybody who stands up
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.70,0:07:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against these developments as a threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.71,0:07:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they don't us veto over these infrastructure developments
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.00,0:07:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if they don't listen to the Indigenous peoples' voice,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.87,0:08:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Indigenous people are going to rise up.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.90,0:08:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're going to take to the streets.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.78,0:08:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're going to take to the railroads.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.93,0:08:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're going to take to the roads.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.68,0:08:09.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're going to blockade.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.37,0:08:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're going to set up camps.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.64,0:08:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kind of harder to infiltrate
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.97,0:08:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the Indigenous communities
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.55,0:08:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because our Indigenous communities are so connected.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.62,0:08:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when we talk to one another
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.43,0:08:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't wanna know what you do.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.94,0:08:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We wanna know about your family.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.22,0:08:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We wanna know about where you come from... who you are.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.12,0:08:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a built-in block where we're not going to give you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.72,0:08:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of our information.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.10,0:08:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, we might be nice to you and say hello,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.25,0:08:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you may feel like you're a part of something,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.97,0:08:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but actually you're still on the outside of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.66,0:08:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're warriors.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.66,0:08:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've been doing this for hundreds and hundreds of years,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.62,0:08:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prior to Canada even being in existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.00,0:08:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had this one guy come in.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.66,0:08:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he came in on four different occasions.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.21,0:08:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He came in as a journalist.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.63,0:08:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He came in as militia.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.14,0:08:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he came in bringing donations.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.46,0:08:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he tried to approach us as being an international lawyer.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.16,0:09:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he was just bringing things in that were not wanted,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.13,0:09:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we weren't supposed to have.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.68,0:09:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That we'd never even asked for.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.16,0:09:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was trying to create a situation where our people
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.98,0:09:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be criminalized for the things that he brought in.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.78,0:09:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And once the men were already arrested after the raid,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.67,0:09:17.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was approached by several members of the Warrior Society
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.31,0:09:20.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was told: “We know you're an agent.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.36,0:09:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to get out of here.”
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.99,0:09:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,States go to incredible lengths to infiltrate resistance movements
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.23,0:09:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and plant undercover agents in our scenes.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.63,0:09:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such as the disgusting case of Mark Kennedy,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.14,0:09:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AKA Mark Stone,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.69,0:09:36.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was outed in London in 2010
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.04,0:09:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after spending 8 years as a mole in the European anarchist
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.54,0:09:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and radical environmental movements
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.81,0:09:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- 6 of which he spent in a long-term relationship
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.65,0:09:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with one of the activists he was spying on.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.29,0:09:50.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as paranoia-inducing as these cases may be,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.13,0:09:52.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are exceptions to the rule.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.66,0:09:55.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only are these operations incredibly expensive,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.85,0:09:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it takes a rare breed of psycho
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.72,0:10:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to effectively maintain the sort of double-life
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.56,0:10:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,required to carry out these long-term infiltrations.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.22,0:10:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your average cop tends to have a much harder time blending in.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.22,0:10:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black sleeves... that's gotta be hot, huh?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.90,0:10:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Be a little cooler if we had some drugs...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.23,0:10:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A much more common, and cost-effective method
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.46,0:10:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of gathering intelligence on political dissidents
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.39,0:10:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is through the use of informants and collaborators
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.68,0:10:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... or as they're more commonly known, snitches.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.40,0:10:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brandon Darby was a Texas activist
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.58,0:10:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who became an FBI informant in the mid-2000s.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.61,0:10:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was somebody who had just been on the fringe
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.60,0:10:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the activist scene around Austin.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.12,0:10:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not a major organizer or anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.08,0:10:40.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was doing a lot of anti-fascist work at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.32,0:10:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were doing community armed defense from about 2002
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.92,0:10:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... so he was very enamored with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.78,0:10:46.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brandon exhibited a lot of behaviours
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.61,0:10:48.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were problematic from the beginning,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.65,0:10:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they're not because he was an informant.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.76,0:10:53.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're just because he was a fucked up person,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.36,0:10:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like many people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.70,0:10:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And political and social movements and engagements
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.77,0:10:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,draw people who are damaged.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.88,0:11:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wanted to do something.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.09,0:11:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He also wanted to work out his daddy issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.18,0:11:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wanted to work out his personal stuff in a public setting.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.78,0:11:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Brandon Darby
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.17,0:11:08.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I work with the Common Ground collective
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.100,0:11:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in New Orleans, Louisiana.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.38,0:11:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't come to Common Ground until about mid-October,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.10,0:11:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after we had done some initial rescue efforts.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.25,0:11:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Common Ground was really an established organization
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.36,0:11:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the time he came in.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.51,0:11:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But due to some of the things that he and I had engaged in,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.68,0:11:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by taking up arms against white militias,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.83,0:11:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking up arms against the police in those early days,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.04,0:11:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Malik Rahim, who was another co-founder
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.82,0:11:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Common Ground collective in New Orleans,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.35,0:11:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gave him more power than he should have in the organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.18,0:11:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the out-of-control amount of power that he was given
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.85,0:11:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in these circumstances was just a toxic combination.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.47,0:11:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just really vicious.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.18,0:11:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We made him leave Common Ground
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.17,0:11:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he was so dysfunctional.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.49,0:11:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was dysfunctional too,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.55,0:11:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to understand many of us had severe post-traumatic stress.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.33,0:11:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cannot take up guns against people,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.90,0:11:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you cannot see dead people everywhere
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.72,0:11:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just, like, go “hey it's okay.”
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.16,0:11:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not trained soldiers.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.64,0:11:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The people who lost their houses weren't trained.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.30,0:12:00.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean these are hard traumas.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.15,0:12:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were able to take our privilege to leave,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.46,0:12:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he - of course he acted fucked up afterwards.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.68,0:12:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But so did I
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.51,0:12:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,.... so did many people who were there for months and months.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.45,0:12:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people ask the million dollar question:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.89,0:12:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when did Brandon Darby become an FBI informant?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.76,0:12:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I had to pick one particular time,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.84,0:12:19.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's some time between March and May of 2006.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.67,0:12:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what it looks like in the FBI documents that I've
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.26,0:12:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already received from the Freedom of Information Act request.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.90,0:12:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It looks like he starts giving information for free,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.33,0:12:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they offered to pay him at some point.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.77,0:12:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Recognize that he never did it for the money.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.88,0:12:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a trust fund kid.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.10,0:12:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Y'know, he's from a working-class background,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.40,0:12:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but his grandmother came into money
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.76,0:12:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he does have access to money through her.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.74,0:12:39.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He did it for ideological reasons.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.99,0:12:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we made him take a leave of absence.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.62,0:12:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then he finagled his way back in, in January of 2007.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.56,0:12:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means that he was actively working for the FBI at that point.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.78,0:12:51.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then there were some things that started to happen
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.65,0:12:55.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really gave me pause and made me very uncomfortable.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.09,0:12:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was working with Anti-Racist Action
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.89,0:13:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were going to do some protests against this bookstore
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.03,0:13:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was a libertarian or right-libertarian book store
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.05,0:13:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that had nativist books and stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.54,0:13:05.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were big supporters of that shithead Alex Jones.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.95,0:13:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But during that time he wanted us to
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.15,0:13:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,burn the book store to the ground.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.61,0:13:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he kept at it.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.64,0:13:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just told him I wasn't going to have anything to do with it
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.42,0:13:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I thought it was a stupid idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.11,0:13:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A prominent Austin-based activist named Brandon Darby
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.83,0:13:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has revealed he worked as an FBI informant
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.02,0:13:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the 18 months leading up to the Republican Convention.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.92,0:13:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While Brandon Darby has been involved in several activist groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.02,0:13:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he's best known as a founder of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.67,0:13:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the New Orleans-based group Common Ground Relief,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.76,0:13:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which he helped start after Hurricane Katrina.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.88,0:13:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's expected to testify on behalf of the government
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.86,0:13:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,later this month in the trial of two Texas activists
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.49,0:13:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were arrested at the RNC
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.23,0:13:41.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on charges of making and possessing Molotov cocktails.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.17,0:13:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the lead-up to the Republican National Convention in 2008,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.98,0:13:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the other thing that started to happen was he started to
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.09,0:13:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hound me about coming up there.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.29,0:13:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was like “dude... I'm not interested.”
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.32,0:13:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he started working with some other people,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.12,0:13:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brad Crowder and David McKay.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.80,0:13:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is one of my biggest regrets, because
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.35,0:14:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brad and David were very new and very enamored with Brandon.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.74,0:14:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so because of those two circumstances,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.20,0:14:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was able to lead them further down the road.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.97,0:14:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to understand this,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.96,0:14:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he wrecked a bunch of people's lives
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.71,0:14:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through his being an informant and a provocateur,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.67,0:14:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also through just being a shitty person.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.92,0:14:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brad and David did prison time for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.38,0:14:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brandon tried to get me to commit a crime
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.96,0:14:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I would have done forty years for.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.97,0:14:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A friend of ours here in Austin,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.27,0:14:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Palestinian supporter and organizer named Riad Hamad,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.62,0:14:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killed himself because of the FBI's harassment of him
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.38,0:14:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to Brandon Darby.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.92,0:14:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those are the major ones,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.24,0:14:34.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's tons of people that he just really damaged
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.67,0:14:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and injured those people for years afterwards.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.10,0:14:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You may have heard of the Earth Liberation Front.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.76,0:14:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Attorney General himself says
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.32,0:14:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a domestic terrorist organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.65,0:14:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The FBI says it is one of the most dangerous groups in the country.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.83,0:14:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Green Scare actions really started back in 1997 through 2001.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.25,0:14:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were a series of economic sabotage
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.31,0:15:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that used arson to target kind of a mix
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.68,0:15:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of private corporations as well as government targets.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.90,0:15:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the FBI agents that had been sent out in the late 90s
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.28,0:15:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to infiltrate and mess with Oregon, in particular,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.85,0:15:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were completely unsuccessful.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.29,0:15:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then ten years later,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.52,0:15:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the Earth Liberation Front co-conspirators,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.78,0:15:26.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who had been a long-time heroin addict,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.99,0:15:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,succumbed to the addiction and his own paranoia
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.92,0:15:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by walking into the FBI office and basically saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.24,0:15:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“if you pay me $150,000 and promise that I don't go to jail,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.10,0:15:41.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll tell you everything I know.”
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.05,0:15:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he became a snitch for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.80,0:15:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wore a wire all around the country
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.38,0:15:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attempting to entrap his co-conspirators.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.27,0:15:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was the first crack in the case and it was a major crack.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.44,0:15:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of a sudden in December of 2005,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.95,0:16:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the largest round-up of environmental
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.52,0:16:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and animal rights activists occurred.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.67,0:16:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The government charged them with multiple counts
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.83,0:16:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of conspiracy and arson and possession of an incendiary device.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.51,0:16:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then slowly but surely,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.04,0:16:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one after the other became snitches for the government.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.01,0:16:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Joyanna Zacher, Nathan Block, Daniel McGowen,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.68,0:16:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jonathan Paul and Marius Mason
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.84,0:16:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never succumbed to the pressures put upon all of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.31,0:16:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nathan Block was 18 years old
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.34,0:16:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he was involved in those acts of economic sabotage,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.10,0:16:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was facing life plus 1,115 years in prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.80,0:16:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even though he was the youngest member
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.43,0:16:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all the Green Scare defendants,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.34,0:16:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he never even batted an eye towards the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.68,0:16:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he would ever cooperate with the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.65,0:16:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Y'know, he served all of his prison time.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.64,0:16:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's out. He's back living his life.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.49,0:16:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same with Daniel McGowan, Jonathan Paul.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.72,0:16:56.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the bottom line is that even though these people
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.39,0:17:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were facing life plus 1,115 years in jail,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.76,0:17:05.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they ended up doing between three and eight years in prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.21,0:17:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Non-cooperating defendants basically got an additional penalty
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.52,0:17:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of an extra 18 months in prison compared to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.13,0:17:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their similarly-situated snitch co-defendants.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.95,0:17:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the tax for being able to morally and ethically
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.48,0:17:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look people in the eye and say
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.83,0:17:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“I am not a snitch. I'm not a government informant.”
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.87,0:17:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a tax of 18 months of extra time in jail.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.72,0:17:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which all of them were more than willing to serve
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.78,0:17:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to be able to return to their communities
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.86,0:17:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and return to the movements that they
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.54,0:17:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,literally risked their lives for.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.97,0:17:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nearly 70 years after it was first published,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.50,0:17:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,George Orwell's dystopian sci-fi novel, 1984
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.18,0:17:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to this day, still held up as the gold standard for what
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.65,0:17:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an authoritarian police state underpinned by an all-pervasive
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.87,0:17:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance apparatus would look like.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.50,0:18:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let's be real
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.66,0:18:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... who needs Big Brother when you've got Facebook and Google?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.98,0:18:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Contemporary techniques of mass data collection and analysis,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.21,0:18:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,combined with a society where more and more
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.29,0:18:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our communications take place through heavily-controlled
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.29,0:18:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and completely monitored corporate infrastructure,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.55,0:18:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has produced a framework for social control
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.98,0:18:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would have made Orwell throw up in his mouth.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.43,0:18:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The world was given a terrifying glimpse of the true potential
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.14,0:18:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this unholy alliance of state and corporate power in 2011,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.60,0:18:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the Gulf States were putting the finishing touches
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.88,0:18:33.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the Arab Spring protests in Bahrain.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.45,0:18:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After a Saudi-led occupation force viciously put down
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.67,0:18:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the revolutionary uprising,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.53,0:18:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Bahraini royal family used facebook to launch a wide-ranging
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.30,0:18:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,witch hunt of activists, posting pictures of pro-democracy rallies
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.22,0:18:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and urging pro-regime loyalists
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.14,0:18:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to name and tag people in the pictures,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.66,0:18:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a mass doxing campaign that resulted in waves
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.53,0:18:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of targeted arrests and disappearances.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.23,0:18:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes... the future is here comrades.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.59,0:19:00.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angry responses only.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.50,0:19:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The term signals intelligence seems to come out of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.50,0:19:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earlier histories of spying in communication
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.38,0:19:11.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it was, like, classic Cold War between the US and Russia.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.30,0:19:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Telecommunications, especially hard to decipher
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.96,0:19:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or hidden telecommunications, was not used very widely.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.02,0:19:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with computers becoming widespread
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.86,0:19:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and computers being able to do the math for encryption,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.18,0:19:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,increasingly the ways people are organizing and communicating
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.20,0:19:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with each other is happening through these computerized means.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.31,0:19:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the part of their social control apparatus that is dedicated
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.58,0:19:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to signals intelligence,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.95,0:19:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this gathering of information that's happening electronically,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.25,0:19:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just ballooning.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.33,0:19:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can think of the types of surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.08,0:19:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are done by these agencies in two different forms.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.60,0:19:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They do mass surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.60,0:19:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is gathering all of the data they can,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.75,0:19:54.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,storing it, trying to analyze it and look at metadata.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.81,0:19:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's for hundreds of millions or billions of people
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.98,0:19:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all over the world, and what their communications are.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.94,0:20:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then they also do targeted surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.52,0:20:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is really different.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.58,0:20:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's like hacking into things,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.31,0:20:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or trying to find a way to compromise an encryption system
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.43,0:20:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that they can then read what people think is being protected.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.80,0:20:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These sorts of attacks are way more expensive.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.54,0:20:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is why mass surveillance has become really important,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.62,0:20:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they can do it really really widely for relatively lower cost.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.35,0:20:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook and social media in general
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.60,0:20:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been a treasure trove of information
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.34,0:20:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the government and for corporations.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.85,0:20:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These types of platforms are a way of instantly getting snapshots
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.77,0:20:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of your network, who your friends are,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.17,0:20:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who've you talked to, what events you're going to.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.14,0:20:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they help facilitate more targeted attacks.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.47,0:20:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook is probably the worst out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.24,0:20:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Government and corporations can literally look
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.35,0:20:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at all your friend groups and plot out maps
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.68,0:20:56.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how different networks are connected to each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.93,0:21:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they use that information for conspiracy allegations,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.95,0:21:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for RICO allegations,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.94,0:21:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as finding weak links within those networks to target.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.98,0:21:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The companies are better at gathering data.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.38,0:21:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have set up whole web infrastructures pretty much
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.28,0:21:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dedicated to gathering as much information as possible about people.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.84,0:21:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For profit. For advertising means.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.61,0:21:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google, in its terms of use,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.58,0:21:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says that you have no reasonable expectation of privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.36,0:21:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you use any of their products, including gmail.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.81,0:21:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically that means nothing that you do
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.04,0:21:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that platform is yours,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.12,0:21:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they can do whatever they want with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.84,0:21:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They basically say “hey... know that we're
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.14,0:21:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,giving all of your shit to the government,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.13,0:21:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're going to use the shit to spy on you some more too.”
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.06,0:21:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not disputed that this is the relationship.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.54,0:21:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\NFacebook also has facial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.92,0:21:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all those photos and videos that you post.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.51,0:21:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,North Dakota and DAPL used that facial recognition on facebook
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.32,0:22:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to issue arrest warrants for people,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.18,0:22:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and literally arrested and charged people with crimes
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.64,0:22:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on video and photographs that activists posted.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.27,0:22:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Protest prediction software has been developed
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.48,0:22:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is currently being used
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.97,0:22:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,primarily in Latin American countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.10,0:22:18.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By monitoring facebook and other social media,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.48,0:22:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this software predicts when riots or protests,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.20,0:22:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or public uprisings may happen
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.37,0:22:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... up to three days in advance.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.62,0:22:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have more direct confrontation right now with the state,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.84,0:22:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so we think of things in state terms: the capacity
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.37,0:22:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the state has for repression,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:39.16,0:22:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for social control broadly.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.47,0:22:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that makes sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.98,0:22:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But surveillance capitalism is creating whole new forms
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.81,0:22:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of social control that don't even depend on the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.18,0:22:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, they're still built on the foundation of the prisons
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.57,0:22:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything else that already exists.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.94,0:22:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they're doing a whole other level of thing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.98,0:23:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the state is kind of trying to use and catch up with,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.48,0:23:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but isn't primarily behind
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.70,0:23:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even isn't really necessarily that good at doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.42,0:23:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One really important aspect of it is
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.57,0:23:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the degree to which it is marketed as voluntary.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.96,0:23:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That everybody chooses to get a facebook account,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.88,0:23:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have an option of not having a facebook account.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.16,0:23:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the way the society is being structured,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.20,0:23:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's less and less real choice involved
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.12,0:23:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in whether we have a facebook account,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.70,0:23:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether we have a cell phone.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.13,0:23:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your cell phone, and especially your smart phone,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.17,0:23:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is probably one of the largest vulnerabilities
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.94,0:23:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you have as an activist.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.85,0:23:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's got your photographs, your contacts,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.34,0:23:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your calendar, your email.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.29,0:23:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Y'know, every aspect of your life
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.87,0:23:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can often be contained on this phone.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.01,0:23:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Phones actually have two computers running in them.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.97,0:23:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the main computer,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.49,0:23:49.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that can be mostly running free software.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.59,0:23:51.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then there's a second computer called the baseband,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.77,0:23:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it connects to the cell phone towers.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.85,0:23:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That part of the phone is running software
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.20,0:23:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we don't control at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.53,0:23:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems, at least in some cases,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.11,0:24:02.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the tower has control of the phone via the baseband.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.90,0:24:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And often the baseband kind of can just override the main CPU.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.90,0:24:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if you turn off the phone,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.94,0:24:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your phone can be used to locate you.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.94,0:24:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can be used as a microphone and/or a camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.85,0:24:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you really have no sure way of knowing
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.46,0:24:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether any of those things are occurring,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.15,0:24:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you turn off the phone.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.94,0:24:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the tower is obviously controlled
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.42,0:24:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely by the telecom companies,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.01,0:24:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are working closely with the state.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.71,0:24:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, more directly, via stingrays,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.02,0:24:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are the things that police agencies are buying up
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.36,0:24:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all over the place that create a fake cell phone tower
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.60,0:24:43.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the phones connect to, and then they get direct access.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.70,0:24:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Back in the 16th century,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.32,0:24:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when Sir Francis Bacon first coined the phrase
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.64,0:24:52.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Knowledge is Power”,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.69,0:24:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was talking about how awesome
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.43,0:24:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he thought the Scientific Method was.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.50,0:25:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it wasn’t long before this homage to scientific empiricism
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.05,0:25:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was twisted and appropriated
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.82,0:25:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the cheerleaders of authoritarian rule.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.48,0:25:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These days, the adage is more likely to be framed
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.41,0:25:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and used as an ominous desk ornament
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.85,0:25:16.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by some mid-level party member of a national intelligence agency,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.59,0:25:19.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to pad their ego and impress their secretary.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.69,0:25:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe in Latin... if they’re really edgy.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.84,0:25:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The truth contained in these words,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.63,0:25:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, goes both ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.96,0:25:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's undoubtedly true that states and surveillance capitalist firms
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.82,0:25:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have unprecedented levels of knowledge at their disposal,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.27,0:25:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which they use to increase their already considerable
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.69,0:25:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,military and policing power.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.79,0:25:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's also true that their methods
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.71,0:25:40.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for gathering intelligence depend,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.44,0:25:43.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least in part, on our ignorance of what they're up to,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.61,0:25:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our willingness to fall for their traps.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.17,0:25:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arming our movements with the knowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.72,0:25:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how our enemies gather intelligence,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.79,0:25:52.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and adapting our tactics accordingly,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.11,0:25:54.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an important component of building our own power.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.91,0:25:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Power that grows as we more effectively challenge
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.88,0:25:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their systems of social control.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.03,0:26:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't overestimate the state's capacity, or the cops' capacity.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.39,0:26:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't underestimate it, but don't overestimate it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.55,0:26:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know some things, but they don't know shit.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.57,0:26:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their intelligence gathering, unless you are absolutely the target,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.07,0:26:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not very good.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.19,0:26:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each bureaucracy is doing its own intelligence gathering,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.72,0:26:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has its own chain of command, and then intelligence tends to stay
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.95,0:26:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in each of those bureaucracies and become trapped in like a silo.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.80,0:26:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As much as states and empires try to be, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.35,0:26:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“we're all powerful.... we can stop whatever we want”,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.66,0:26:32.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they very obviously cannot stop encryption.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.31,0:26:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's something to build on.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.57,0:26:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Digital encryption is basically a way of using computers
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.58,0:26:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hide information.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.96,0:26:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the most basic kinds of encryption is
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.50,0:26:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have data stored somewhere... you encrypt it in that place.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.58,0:26:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Local disk encryption can be done
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.73,0:26:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using a program called Veracrypt.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.85,0:26:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It gets more complicated obviously,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.12,0:26:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there's multiple people involved,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.90,0:26:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like when you're doing encrypted communication.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.40,0:26:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For email the best way that I've found
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.22,0:27:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is using Thunderbird and an add-on called Enigmail.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.60,0:27:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have a smart phone you can do everything
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.75,0:27:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a program called Signal.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.52,0:27:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to use tools that you understand, based on the risk threat.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.74,0:27:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I can drive around a car
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.64,0:27:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't understand exactly how that car works,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.13,0:27:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I need a basic understanding of that tool set.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.74,0:27:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However if I'm using that car in such a way
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.34,0:27:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where if the car breaks down,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.04,0:27:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me and the people I love get thrown in jail for a decade or more,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.63,0:27:32.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I better have a really good fucking understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.55,0:27:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of exactly how that car works.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.51,0:27:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to support infrastructures that are based more
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.44,0:27:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the social relations that we want to be reflected in our world.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.98,0:27:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not just about surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.10,0:27:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's ultimately about social control,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.06,0:27:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a more active process
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.38,0:27:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than just knowing what people are saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.34,0:27:49.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook is controlling people.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.100,0:27:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we say their business model is based on advertising,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.71,0:27:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really what that's saying is get enough information about people
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.82,0:27:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to control their behaviour.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.17,0:28:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it can be like a literally person-by-person
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.28,0:28:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individualized version of the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.12,0:28:04.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to influence how they're going to act
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.46,0:28:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what they're going to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.41,0:28:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We decided that these would be the social norms now,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.37,0:28:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we just went for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.89,0:28:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Security culture, at its core,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.11,0:28:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involves knowledge and understanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.36,0:28:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Developing personal relationships, face-to-face relationships,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.93,0:28:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,affinity groups, trusting friendships and comradery
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.12,0:28:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is probably the most effective form of security culture that we have.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.06,0:28:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things like Brandon Darby create media sensation for us
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.61,0:28:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are so rare.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.47,0:28:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it costs so much in resources for them
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.16,0:28:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actually do infiltration,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.36,0:28:42.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for them to actually do the heavy surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.67,0:28:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever Brenda and Khalid were “on a play”,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.11,0:28:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's what they call when they're at work,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.60,0:28:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not just them that's being paid,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.25,0:28:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's also their two handlers who are sitting in a car.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.14,0:28:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also all of the people who are, y'know, typing out their notes,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.54,0:28:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who are holding the debriefs,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.21,0:29:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who are doing all of the bureaucratic work.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.70,0:29:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a really expensive operation.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.42,0:29:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's absolutely no way that they could afford
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.70,0:29:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do that unless they had a big event to use as an excuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.02,0:29:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we didn't factor in was that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.22,0:29:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a billion dollar security budget for the G20.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.52,0:29:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean there's a lot of explanations we could give\N
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.27,0:29:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for our kind of unpreparedness towards that,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.83,0:29:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one is that we don't necessarily take ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.35,0:29:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,super seriously as threats.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.56,0:29:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that we might have this rhetoric of wanting to
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.64,0:29:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produce radical transformation
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.80,0:29:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and destroy all forms of authority.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.20,0:29:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that we don't necessarily take ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.47,0:29:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as seriously as that intention merits.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.58,0:29:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the main goals of surveillance and infiltration
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.99,0:29:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to disrupt the organizing that we're doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.85,0:29:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,\NThe police are always going to be kind of testing you
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.46,0:29:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sending in informants and seeing if they can get
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.96,0:29:44.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different kinds of information,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.09,0:29:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of what of your ideas are and because of your decision
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.21,0:29:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to situate yourself as an enemy of this society.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:48.24,0:29:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is the modus operandi of the state
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.76,0:29:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to use informants, infiltrators, and forms of disruption
Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.25,0:29:57.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep political and social engagements
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.03,0:29:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and movements from happening.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.23,0:29:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes folks will try to say that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.47,0:30:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you have a cop in your group
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.40,0:30:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't matter if you're not doing anything illegal.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.01,0:30:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in this situation, we totally were doing illegal things.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.28,0:30:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I was doing exactly what they accused me of doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.52,0:30:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even if the police aren't trying to build up charges,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.76,0:30:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their goal is to maintain this sort of permanent level of disruption.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.52,0:30:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's only one golden rule when it comes to talking to cops,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.40,0:30:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is “don't fucking talk to cops.”
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.99,0:30:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you suspect someone of being a snitch or a cop,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.99,0:30:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't come out to your movement
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.69,0:30:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to the public before you are absolutely sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.39,0:30:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to snitch-jacket someone
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.30,0:30:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to protect yourself and to further your strategic,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.34,0:30:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,effective organizing efforts.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.71,0:30:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think if we had a way to talk to each other
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.26,0:30:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about these things in a way that wasn't gossipy
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.03,0:30:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and didn't start rumours,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.98,0:30:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would have caught on a lot earlier
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.30,0:30:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a lot of people had concerns about Khalid.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.52,0:30:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having some level of practice in which you get to know each other
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.12,0:30:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and kind of check each others' back stories a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.91,0:30:52.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be a way of just building trust
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.91,0:30:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of demonstrating a kind of seriousness and commitment.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.94,0:30:59.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to build explicit parameters for what we're vouching.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.85,0:31:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we could be vouching
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.48,0:31:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“is this person who they say that they are?”
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.24,0:31:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we need to set a criteria for how we know.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.26,0:31:11.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you need to make all these uncomfortable conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.39,0:31:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about vouching explicit.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.30,0:31:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Being intentional about checking each others' stories,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.05,0:31:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it's not just something you do to people you don't trust,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.03,0:31:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but something you do to people you want to trust more.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.08,0:31:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we don't build trust with each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.67,0:31:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fear becomes the winner.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.12,0:31:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you cannot make revolution,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.24,0:31:27.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you cannot create liberatory spaces,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.24,0:31:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you cannot create liberatory openings based solely on fear.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.85,0:31:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must stand on the edge of our potential
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.01,0:31:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and see what's on the other side.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.92,0:31:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And be willing to take those risks.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.02,0:31:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we must do that pragmatically.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.22,0:31:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we understand the role that intelligence plays,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.98,0:31:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can maybe allow us to try to be a little more opaque ourselves,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.76,0:31:46.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be a little bit less easily surveilled.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.57,0:31:50.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But also to be a bit more resistant to the inevitable repression,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.21,0:31:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and be a little bit less scared of it when it does fall.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.24,0:31:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because ultimately we can't prevent repression
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.90,0:31:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... I don't think it's useful to try to.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:55.48,0:31:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's useful to ask ourselves how can we achieve our goals,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.78,0:32:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how can we be prepared for the consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.53,0:32:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As states and corporations scramble to develop
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.81,0:32:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,increasingly sophisticated ways to monitor and control dissent,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.41,0:32:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a desperate attempt to predict threats
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.41,0:32:13.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that might challenge their continued dominance,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.52,0:32:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is critical that our resistance movements develop
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.38,0:32:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strategies and effective techniques that allow for
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.80,0:32:21.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the decentralized spread of self-organization,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.64,0:32:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and methods of communication that thwart their attempts
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.69,0:32:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to stay one step ahead of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.77,0:32:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at this point, we’d like to remind you
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.54,0:32:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Trouble is intended to be watched in groups,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.11,0:32:34.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to be used as a resource to promote discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.07,0:32:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and collective organizing.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.69,0:32:38.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Feel like anarchists and other activists in your town
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.18,0:32:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could use a primer on security culture?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.03,0:32:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please consider getting together with some comrades,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.65,0:32:45.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,screening this film and discussing what steps people can take
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.41,0:32:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help protect your communities from infiltration and surveillance.
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Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.66,0:32:55.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even just at your home with friends?
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Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.36,0:33:19.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just wanna get in touch,
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Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.37,0:33:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supporting our work by becoming troublemakers,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.74,0:33:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wanna send a shout-out to Justin, Ram Philly,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.82,0:33:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alex, SIU, Douglas, Jay, Adam, Joe, Scott, Michael,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.02,0:33:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Matt, Filip, Stephen, Zach and David.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.24,0:33:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also wanna send a big shout out
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Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.21,0:33:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This episode would not have been possible
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.12,0:33:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without the generous support of Ryan, Matthew, Rodrigue and Amelie.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.78,0:33:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now get out there, and make some trouble!