0:00:07.215,0:00:09.965 (peaceful music) 0:00:13.155,0:00:15.738 (gentle music) 0:00:18.537,0:00:21.156 As a female, my entire life, 0:00:21.156,0:00:24.406 I've been aware of patriarchal spaces 0:00:25.143,0:00:31.837 and how erasure is enacted[br]on women in the civic space, 0:00:32.321,0:00:35.444 the space of law, the space of art. 0:00:36.602,0:00:42.706 You have to open up these[br]spaces to represent all of us. 0:00:43.138,0:00:44.949 (gentle music) 0:00:52.483,0:00:55.243 For almost three decades, I have worked 0:00:55.243,0:00:58.583 in the Indian and Persian[br]manuscript traditions. 0:00:59.887,0:01:01.412 Having grown up in Pakistan, 0:01:01.835,0:01:06.835 I didn't have access to a[br]lot of the original artwork. 0:01:09.109,0:01:11.076 Because of colonial history, 0:01:11.076,0:01:15.577 the majority of this work has[br]been torn and dismembered, 0:01:15.841,0:01:19.174 and ended up in Western institutions. 0:01:21.463,0:01:25.337 Erasure. Lack of visibility. 0:01:26.201,0:01:30.508 These things are at the core[br]of my relationship with art. 0:01:31.543,0:01:32.627 (gentle music) 0:01:37.979,0:01:43.684 Moving between animation,[br]murals, mosaic, and sculpture, 0:01:44.036,0:01:47.342 I often think of my practice[br]as an anti-monument, 0:01:47.782,0:01:50.105 because it engages the past, 0:01:50.105,0:01:52.386 but it doesn't glorify the past. 0:01:54.642,0:01:57.155 (gentle music) 0:01:59.129,0:02:02.375 I was really inspired by public artwork 0:02:02.375,0:02:05.347 and what monuments could stand for. 0:02:07.938,0:02:09.789 The conflicts that are there 0:02:09.895,0:02:13.480 because people have[br]competing visions of history. 0:02:15.137,0:02:16.835 When Madison Square Park 0:02:16.835,0:02:19.417 asked me to put a proposal together, 0:02:19.417,0:02:22.399 I thought I would love to explore the art 0:02:22.399,0:02:24.905 in the courthouse overlooking the park, 0:02:26.226,0:02:30.197 and then tie it into the[br]project with the park. 0:02:31.631,0:02:33.351 (gentle music) 0:02:34.549,0:02:35.718 Works that are here, 0:02:35.718,0:02:38.926 which, of course, are part of a history, 0:02:39.668,0:02:43.281 it's a moment in time[br]captured for what it is. 0:02:45.063,0:02:47.646 (gentle music) 0:02:49.274,0:02:51.614 On the roof of the courthouse 0:02:51.614,0:02:57.046 are nine statues of ancient[br]male lawgivers or philosophers. 0:02:57.310,0:03:00.000 There's Manu, the author of Hindu laws, 0:03:00.000,0:03:03.560 and then there's King Louis IV of France. 0:03:04.300,0:03:06.580 However, the space of the women 0:03:06.580,0:03:10.393 is in this allegorical space,[br]such as the Lady Justice. 0:03:11.627,0:03:13.817 (gentle music) 0:03:15.591,0:03:20.892 Why couldn't there be another[br]iteration of the feminine, 0:03:21.015,0:03:26.047 standing on its own sort of[br]truth as an equal participant? 0:03:28.487,0:03:30.050 - Like, if you were[br]there, if you're walking, 0:03:30.050,0:03:31.009 you could see both. 0:03:31.009,0:03:33.996 I decided to make two sculptures. 0:03:34.190,0:03:36.380 One is inside the park. 0:03:36.596,0:03:39.227 One is on the roof of the courthouse. 0:03:40.650,0:03:43.400 (birds chirping) 0:03:45.694,0:03:49.102 So, this is one of the early sketches. 0:03:50.178,0:03:51.951 (gentle music) 0:03:52.722,0:03:58.536 A signature image in my work[br]has been this feminine body, 0:03:59.100,0:04:01.009 kind of a quick gesture, 0:04:02.084,0:04:05.960 often emerging out of[br]just gouache on paper. 0:04:07.035,0:04:11.259 So it's this sort of very[br]fluid notion of the body, 0:04:11.259,0:04:15.123 and it has a multiplicity to it. 0:04:17.538,0:04:21.557 It felt very true to me to start there. 0:04:23.998,0:04:25.755 What is it? Is it the legs? 0:04:29.096,0:04:29.799 - Parts of it. 0:04:29.799,0:04:30.598 The legs. 0:04:31.574,0:04:34.611 When they're sort of looping back in, 0:04:35.000,0:04:38.500 for me, that suggests a[br]form that is self-rooted. 0:04:38.905,0:04:40.000 (crew member indistinctly speaking) 0:04:40.000,0:04:40.876 - Okay. 0:04:40.876,0:04:44.551 The feminine can carry its[br]roots wherever it goes. 0:04:44.781,0:04:47.377 It can choose to go wherever it wants. 0:04:48.575,0:04:50.583 You don't need to have roots 0:04:50.583,0:04:53.699 into one specific space or time, 0:04:54.298,0:04:57.119 nation or culture. 0:04:57.728,0:04:58.866 (gentle music) 0:05:02.393,0:05:04.613 The suggestion of horns 0:05:04.613,0:05:07.856 could be a unification through braids. 0:05:08.966,0:05:14.042 It has a very clear link to[br]an older painting of mine, 0:05:14.853,0:05:17.550 talking more about the courage, 0:05:17.550,0:05:21.876 fluidity, and resilience of the feminine. 0:05:24.257,0:05:27.000 No one person on a plinth 0:05:27.000,0:05:29.227 can represent multiple perspectives, 0:05:29.562,0:05:32.082 so it had to be more allegorical, 0:05:32.610,0:05:37.259 like a feminine collective[br]space that can keep growing. 0:05:41.245,0:05:42.871 (gentle music) 0:05:47.063,0:05:49.541 In the sculpture on the rooftop, 0:05:50.228,0:05:53.651 she has the seat of the lotus. 0:05:54.626,0:06:01.018 It is really symbolic of[br]humility and clarity and wisdom. 0:06:03.254,0:06:07.723 My big concern was how to 0:06:08.886,0:06:10.751 go in the direction of sculpture, 0:06:10.751,0:06:15.342 but keep it as close to my animations 0:06:15.342,0:06:20.395 and have as much movement in the work. 0:06:21.576,0:06:25.102 You can see how light is[br]coming through the ceiling. 0:06:26.071,0:06:28.129 It's very subtle, but it's changing. 0:06:28.459,0:06:31.432 Just that itself implies movement. 0:06:34.525,0:06:38.758 I wanted to play off of the[br]ceiling in the courthouse, 0:06:40.097,0:06:42.892 so the skirt allows it to show 0:06:42.892,0:06:46.239 the glass ceiling that the[br]feminine can break through. 0:06:46.750,0:06:48.035 Sort of floating here. 0:06:48.035,0:06:50.000 (Shahzia chuckles)[br](gentle music) 0:06:50.000,0:06:53.092 Then I can mimic this[br]gorgeous stained glass 0:06:53.338,0:06:56.756 with actual glass mosaic on the sculpture. 0:06:57.646,0:06:59.144 - So, see, like this. 0:06:59.902,0:07:01.395 - Oh, that color is really- 0:07:01.624,0:07:02.952 - [Mosaic Artist] Yeah,[br]I have a lot of this. 0:07:02.952,0:07:04.082 - [Shahzia] Clean and bright. 0:07:04.082,0:07:06.025 - [Mosaic Artist] Yes.[br]It's really a nice color. 0:07:07.099,0:07:08.410 - [Shahzia] Yeah. This[br]will work really well. 0:07:08.410,0:07:09.083 - [Mosaic Artist] It's beautiful. 0:07:09.806,0:07:11.994 - [Shahzia] This can[br]be used in more amount. 0:07:12.158,0:07:13.063 - [Mosaic Artist] Yep. 0:07:13.063,0:07:15.443 When I was sketching the skirt, 0:07:15.950,0:07:20.000 I started to play with the word[br]"havah" on the skirt itself. 0:07:21.480,0:07:26.302 In my spoken Urdu, "havah" would mean air, 0:07:27.112,0:07:28.782 the breath's relationship to life. 0:07:30.262,0:07:33.641 Also, "havah" can imply Eve. 0:07:33.659,0:07:35.027 (mosaic artist indistinctly murmurs) 0:07:35.027,0:07:36.031 - Let's break this. 0:07:36.040,0:07:37.619 - [Mosaic Artist] Okay. 0:07:37.637,0:07:41.038 [Shahzia] Eve could be[br]considered the first lawbreaker. 0:07:41.056,0:07:45.605 (glass clatters)[br](gentle music) 0:07:45.605,0:07:49.432 Female are often the markers[br]when boundaries are melting. 0:07:52.000,0:07:56.677 - The significant of it[br]being just up there is huge! 0:07:56.677,0:07:58.024 - Symbolically- 0:07:58.154,0:07:58.987 - Yes! 0:07:59.084,0:08:00.556 - It's a big intervention. 0:08:00.556,0:08:01.345 - Yes. 0:08:01.997,0:08:05.997 (speakers indistinctly talking) 0:08:06.294,0:08:07.644 Since the work has been up, 0:08:07.644,0:08:12.644 there's been a lot of commentary[br]on abortion and women. 0:08:14.816,0:08:17.726 The context in this particular project 0:08:17.726,0:08:20.663 is allowing the work to have meanings 0:08:20.698,0:08:23.431 that it would not carry otherwise. 0:08:25.340,0:08:31.486 It animates people's politics[br]and fraught relationships. 0:08:33.201,0:08:37.281 I thrive on hearing what happens over time 0:08:37.281,0:08:39.618 to a project and to a dialogue. 0:08:40.920,0:08:42.273 - Women artists. 0:08:42.343,0:08:47.343 How else does an artist center[br]their sense of creativity? 0:08:48.630,0:08:50.801 (gentle music) 0:08:51.300,0:08:54.480 Whenever we create art and[br]put something in the world, 0:08:54.480,0:08:57.564 I believe it just pushes the envelope of 0:08:57.564,0:09:01.150 who gets to be represented[br]a little further. 0:09:03.052,0:09:06.052 These things are really integral to 0:09:06.052,0:09:10.916 how art can then negotiate a[br]space for a future generation. 0:09:11.551,0:09:14.134 (gentle music)