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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.53,0:00:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Response to 23 Questions\NSeries, Part-68,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.88,0:00:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Excommunication From Islam,\NJaved Ahmed Ghamidi
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.00,0:00:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Muhammad Hassan Ilyas] Bismillahir \NRahmanir Rahim, As Salam Alaikum.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.16,0:00:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome to another session of\N'From the Desk of Ghamidi'.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.34,0:00:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The chain of discussion\Ncontinues on 23 Objections.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.26,0:00:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today we are about to start \Nthe 68th episode of that chain,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.36,0:00:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever doubts or \Nobjections that are presented
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.32,0:00:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the thoughts \Nof Ghamidi Sahab,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.88,0:00:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are putting those \Nquestions to him in order.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.06,0:00:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are here again at your\Nservice with a new topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.19,0:00:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let us begin.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.96,0:00:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today's topic is the issue of 'Takfeer'\N(Excommunication from Islam).
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.19,0:00:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is said that in this scholarly\Ntradition of the Ummah,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.92,0:00:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a consensus on this issue,\Nand this too is a point
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.52,0:00:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on which Ghamidi Sahab\Nhas differed
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.23,0:00:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the academic tradition \Nof the whole Ummah,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.58,0:00:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has presented a new \Nconcept, a new point of view,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.68,0:00:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the established point of view?\NI will state a very brief summary of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.47,0:00:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our Ulema tell us \Nand write too that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.48,0:00:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Takfeer is among \Nthe necessities of Deen,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.93,0:00:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an indispensable requirement.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.62,0:00:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This Right is for the Muslim\NState and the Muslim Ulema as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.99,0:01:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. not just for the people\Nwho deny the Deen
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.87,0:01:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Takfeer' should be\Ndone of them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.66,0:01:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather, from among the \NMuslims too, if some beliefs
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.09,0:01:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or viewpoints are found then their \NTakfeer could be done as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.58,0:01:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The instructions given \Nby Deen cannot be followed
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.41,0:01:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,till the time 'Takfeer'\Nis not done on the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.65,0:01:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some punishments \Nand instructions with regard to Takfeer.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.80,0:01:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Takfeer hasn't just been done\Nin the Quran by Allah (swt)
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.79,0:01:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather, we find\Nthem in Ahadees also.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.51,0:01:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with reference to the attitude of \NSahaba as well, this is also well known.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.67,0:01:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a lawful and permissible thing,\Nwhich cannot be declared as forbidden.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.40,0:01:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is Ghamidi \NSahab's point of view?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.24,0:01:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will know all this, let us start.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.98,0:01:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much \NGhamidi Sahab for your time.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.95,0:01:40.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am trying that\Nin this full series,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.100,0:01:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your actual reasoning with\Nits original chain of arguments,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.55,0:01:47.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the fundamental and clear \Nbasis of your argumments,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.57,0:01:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we begin with that in this\Nfirst stage,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.82,0:01:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then one by one the \Nsecondary doubts,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.06,0:01:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether those are based\Non Quran or Hadees,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.15,0:01:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether they are based on the clear\Naxioms of reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.29,0:01:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, I would like to know\Nfrom you that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.93,0:02:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this complete issue of 'Takfeer',
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.38,0:02:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,till now we have not heard any\Ndetailed discussion on it from you.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.90,0:02:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please do explain and take\Nus along in this scholarly journey,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.51,0:02:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tell us that whatever \Nconclusions you have drawn,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.24,0:02:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what has been the intellectual journey\Nbehind it,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.96,0:02:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is the epistemology behind it?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.05,0:02:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your take on it? \NAnd the criticism that is done
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.58,0:02:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on it, that I will present \None by one to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.77,0:02:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In your opinion,\Nwhat actually is 'Takfeer'?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.92,0:02:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where lie the roots of this problem?\NAnd what is your basis of argument?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.74,0:02:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] \NIn the Deen of Allah, the acts which
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.83,0:02:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are considered as major deviations ...\Nyou are aware that those are only two.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.96,0:02:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One is 'Shirk' and \Nthe other is 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.16,0:02:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Shirk' and 'Kufr' are the\Ncommon words in the Arabic language.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.70,0:02:46.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Shirk' implies that we are making\Nsomeone partner in something.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.54,0:02:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And 'Kufr', if we see the \Nfrom the lexical point of view,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.83,0:02:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it means to deny, \Nit also has various other meanings.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.19,0:02:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we look at that most \Npopular usage then
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.90,0:03:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along with denying its popular \Nmeaning is that of 'Ingratitude'.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.74,0:03:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.\N[Ghamidi] In Urdu, when we speak
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.43,0:03:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the word 'Kufran-e Nemat',\Nit is actually from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.35,0:03:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] In the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.40,0:03:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is in the Arabic language,\Nit has been used in its lexical meanings.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.72,0:03:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, note that the Quran\Nsays that I have shown you both the ways,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.04,0:03:26.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Imma Shaakiram Wa Imma Kafura",
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.93,0:03:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now if someone wishes he can\Neither be thankful or ungrateful.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.80,0:03:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So here it is used in one \Nof its lexical meanings.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.28,0:03:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same word 'Kufr' is there, i.e. this \Nword has its origins in that very root.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.68,0:03:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other than this you \Nsee that in the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.52,0:03:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just for denial, which we call \Ndenial in the Urdu language,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.72,0:03:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where a religious aspect does not come \Nup in that manner, it has been used.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.62,0:03:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wa Mayin Yakfur Bit Taghut".\N'One who denies the Taghut',
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.85,0:04:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, 'Kufr' here gets included\Nin the requirements of Iman.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.30,0:04:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. something which, in essence, in \Nthe religious realm, is a big deviation,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.69,0:04:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is becoming praiseworthy here.\NHence the usage of its lexical meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.47,0:04:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] There is no end
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.40,0:04:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to such usages of words. \NHowever, the Quran has used this word.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.05,0:04:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And has converted it into\Ntwo terminological interpretations.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.32,0:04:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence the need is felt that \Nwhen these have become
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.23,0:04:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terminological expressions, then what \Nis implied with Shirk terminologically?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.13,0:04:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what does 'Kufr'\Nimply terminologically?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.61,0:04:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you look at it in \Nthe light of the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.19,0:04:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then Shirk implies that\Nwe hold someone as Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.01,0:04:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or to hold Allah as some other entity.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.08,0:04:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or to hold someone as a partner \Nin His Creation and Commands (Authority).
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.64,0:04:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Khalq' means the act of creation\Nthat has taken place in this universe.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.59,0:04:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And 'Amr' means that the system of the\Nuniverse
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.60,0:05:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transcending mere physical laws of\Nbased on cause and effect.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.46,0:05:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or as it is being run beyond \Nthe world of physical appearance,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.29,0:05:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has been stated by the Quran, \N"Ala Lahul Khalqu Wal Amar".
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.01,0:05:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the definition\Nof Shirk in simple words.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.60,0:05:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Kufr', when you see it \Nin the light of the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.02,0:05:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it changes into a term of art,\Nas a technical term,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.90,0:05:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it implies that Allah (swt) \Nhas imbibed a Guidance
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.44,0:05:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the interior of human beings, \Nwhich he is born with,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.80,0:05:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, after this, for its \Nexpounding and elucidation
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.30,0:05:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the ascertaining \Nof its micro details,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.69,0:05:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it is tamed\Nin an orderly fashion,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.71,0:05:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Allah (swt) has through\Nhis Prophets revealed its details.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.12,0:05:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, that revealed \NDeen which Allah's Prophets
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.10,0:05:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have brought, that even\Nif we refuse to accept it even partially,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.79,0:05:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the word Kufr applies to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.85,0:05:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay. \N[Ghamidi] So Shirk and Kufr
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.86,0:05:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should first be understood\Nas terminological expressions.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.94,0:05:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After this, let us go further, \Nand see that, when we say,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.87,0:06:03.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a certain thing involves Shirk,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.30,0:06:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Shirk has taken place\Nin such a matter,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.38,0:06:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or this step, or point of view\Nor this act has elements of Shirk,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.24,0:06:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it can be termed as Shirk,\Nor when we say that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.24,0:06:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this thing is totally 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.44,0:06:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fundamental truth \Nhas been denied in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.64,0:06:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This thing is the denial of one of the \Ncompulsory requirements in the Creed.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.17,0:06:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we are speaking of such \Nthings then
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.38,0:06:33.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we actually are commenting \Non some angle
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.09,0:06:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or point of view \Nor on some Aqeedah (Concept).
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.44,0:06:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] And we do this often and on.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.28,0:06:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. when Deen is taught,\Non that occasion,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.49,0:06:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is to be clarified, \Nthat Iman is this,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.70,0:06:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the requirement of Iman is this,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.81,0:06:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Islam. The basic\Ntenets of Islam are such.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.50,0:06:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, in Shirk, \Nin so and so matter Shirk would apply,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.86,0:06:57.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in such and such a matter,\NKufr would apply.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.07,0:07:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. in this way, both these terms\Noccur in our general use.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.32,0:07:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was telling that when \Nwe go beyond this,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.60,0:07:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we come to know, \Nthat in the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.04,0:07:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these terms have been used in several\Nways in their terminological meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.14,0:07:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At present Shirk is \Nnot our topic of discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.64,0:07:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We shall limit our \Ndiscussion to 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.68,0:07:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look into the Quran, \Nthen there are two broad usages of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.50,0:07:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One use is that the Quran \Nuses the word 'Kufr' and 'Kafir',
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.85,0:07:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. obviously, 'Kufr' is a noun, \Nand one who does 'Kufr' is a 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.68,0:07:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence using the word 'kufr' and 'Kafir'\Nthe Quran in dozens of places
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.60,0:07:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explains what is 'Kufr' \Nand who is a 'Kafir'?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.16,0:07:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay, it tells itself.\N[Ghamidi] i.e. there
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.38,0:07:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the point of argument \Nis not that for a particular person
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.40,0:07:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or group a verdict is being given.\NA point is being elaborated.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.46,0:08:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the Quran will tell us that if a \Nperson denies the existence of Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.70,0:08:07.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is 'Kufr'. The Quran tells us that\Nwhen a group brings Syedna Isa A.S.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.07,0:08:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a level comparable to Allah (swt)
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.07,0:08:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or raises him to the level of \NAllah and starts worshiping him, or
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.21,0:08:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believes in a corporeality (physicalness)\Nof the being
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.18,0:08:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the personality of Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.76,0:08:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it is in fact \Nan act of 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.71,0:08:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, what is happening here?\NHere, through the application,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.70,0:08:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. as per the general \Nmethod of the revealed Books,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.26,0:08:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is being explained as \Nto what actually is 'Kufr'?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.78,0:08:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same way, you may note,\Nhow by using the word 'Kaafirun',
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.11,0:08:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is telling as to what are the things
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.09,0:08:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which turn an individual a 'Kafir'\Nin the sight of Allah or before Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.44,0:08:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we become a Momin, \Nwe are a Momin in the sight of Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.62,0:08:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when we become a 'Kafir', \Nwe are a Kafir in front of Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.97,0:08:53.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence a very beautiful \Nterm has been used,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.29,0:08:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wa Mallam Yah Kum Bima \NAnzallahu Fa Ulaaika Humul Kaafirun".
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.21,0:08:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. those people who do not\Nmake judgements
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.29,0:09:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to the Laws revealed by\NAllah, those are the ones who are Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.85,0:09:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, now what has been done here?\NIt is told that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.18,0:09:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any person who is not\Nmaking Judgements
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.26,0:09:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to the laws revealed by Allah, \Non him, the term 'Kufr' would apply.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.72,0:09:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He would be called a 'Kafir' too.\NThis has been done by the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.84,0:09:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not in one, or two, \Nbut in dozens of places
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.32,0:09:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has used the term similarly as \Nthe term Shirk has been used.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.10,0:09:25.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. even those forms of \NShirk have been included
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.30,0:09:28.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we may interpret as the \Nattitudes of Shirk as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.09,0:09:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same way, all the points \Nregarding 'Kufr' too have been told.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.20,0:09:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one aspect of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.82,0:09:37.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This aspect is the foundation of\NDawah in our Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.45,0:09:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. when we present the\NDeen of Allah in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.57,0:09:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then what role does\Nan Aalim play in it?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.90,0:09:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He does the work of telling you\Nwhat is Iman, and what is Islam?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.03,0:09:51.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You must be aware that\Na special discussion took place
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.01,0:09:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between Jibreel-e Ameen \Nand the Prophet (pbuh),
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.88,0:09:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what were the \Nquestions asked there?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.20,0:09:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first question was\N'What is Iman?'
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.01,0:10:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second question is\N'What is Islam?'
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.17,0:10:03.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, now what\Nis Islam, or Iman,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.52,0:10:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we have to discuss \Nits opposites,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.83,0:10:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we have to tell what Kufr\Nor Shirk is as compared to Iman?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.84,0:10:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have to tell this,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.24,0:10:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way, we have to state the \Nthings which are in comparison with Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.09,0:10:21.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, when are stating all this, we are \Nessentially giving Dawah, or teaching,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.14,0:10:26.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or training people or stating the Deen \Nor explicating or educating people in Deen
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.98,0:10:29.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or warning and alerting people.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.95,0:10:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said that this work has taken\Nplace on a large scale in the Quran too.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.93,0:10:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has taken place\Nin dozens of places.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.07,0:10:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see such terms \Nin multiple places,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.10,0:10:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it turns the topic\Nfor discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.89,0:10:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on to the belief of some group,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.42,0:10:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or makes an individual's belief\Nas the point of discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.73,0:10:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or makes an attitude \Nthe topic for discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.90,0:10:50.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after this, the same\Nterms are adopted by it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.42,0:10:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. if we include one more\Nterm in it, and what is that?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.99,0:10:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Zalalat', i.e. MIsguidance, so sometimes\Nit says that it is 'Zalal-e Bayiid'.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.24,0:11:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a distant misguidance. \NSometimes it will say that it is 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.51,0:11:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes it will\Nsay it is 'Fisq'.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.16,0:11:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or sometimes\Nit will say it is Shirk.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.93,0:11:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me repeat it, that in fact,\Nthis is the statement of Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.94,0:11:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is the Dawah of Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.81,0:11:12.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The moment you \Nwill state positive things,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.93,0:11:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their negative counterparts \Nwould occur immediately.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.50,0:11:17.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you will speak of Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.01,0:11:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the opposite of Islam \Nwould also be stated.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.76,0:11:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Iman would be stated then the\Ncontrary of Iman will also be mentioned.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.39,0:11:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] The standard would be told.\N[Ghamidi] This you and I would also tell.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.87,0:11:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the Ulema of the Muslim \Ncommunity would state it as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.48,0:11:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There isn't any escape from this.\NIt will happen day in and day out.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.83,0:11:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has used these on a grand scale \Nas I had said,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.16,0:11:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in multiple places,\Nin dozens of places;
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.08,0:11:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it has been explained that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.31,0:11:46.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so and so is 'Kufr' and only a Kafir\Ncan adopt such and such things.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.67,0:11:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] If you refer to the Hadees,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.22,0:11:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same terms will be\Nfound in multiple places.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.58,0:11:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. it will be told that \Na Muslim cannot do such a thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.79,0:11:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To do such work\Nis against Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.86,0:11:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If such act is done then\Nit would imply that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.43,0:12:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an individual has crossed \Nthe realm of religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.79,0:12:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these interpretations \Nwould be there,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.85,0:12:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, when we speak of\Na particular person being Kafir,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.70,0:12:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a certain group is 'Kafir', \Nso and so person is 'Mushrik',
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.23,0:12:17.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a group is Mushrik, now,\Nthis matter
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.40,0:12:21.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not remain confined\Nonly to the Dawah of Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.02,0:12:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is in reality a verdict for an \Nindividual which we are giving.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.62,0:12:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some simple examples\Nwould make it clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.54,0:12:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you ask what is theft? I will\Ntell you this and that is theft.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.22,0:12:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The term theft applies to this thing\Nor applies to such an act.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.28,0:12:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it is asked, \Nwhat is fornication?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.25,0:12:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I tell you in detail that \Nthe application of the term adultery
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.31,0:12:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as per the language,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.96,0:12:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if there has been some\Ndefinition made in law as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.65,0:12:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I will tell you that the\Nterm adultery applies
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.30,0:12:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this act, when it\Nis done in such a way.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.96,0:12:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, I will tell you that\None who commits adultery
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.08,0:12:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an adulterer, or one\Nwho steals is a thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.31,0:12:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or one who robs is a robber.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.92,0:13:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We often and on use \Nall these terms in teaching,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.62,0:13:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,training, Dawah, speeches \Nand in Jurisprudence.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.12,0:13:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] When we say,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.32,0:13:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zaid or Bakr are thiefs,\Nor when we say that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.38,0:13:14.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so and so group \Nare adulterers,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.45,0:13:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or so and so person is an adulterer, \Nso what are we doing now?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.92,0:13:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are actually \Napplying our concept
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.74,0:13:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the action of a person,\Nof a particular person.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.31,0:13:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, the Quran as \NI said just now,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.84,0:13:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it has told in multiple places \Nas to what is 'Kufr'
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.93,0:13:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or who is called a 'Kafir',
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.12,0:13:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similarly, it has applied this word on\Nits various addressees, and groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.88,0:13:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has done so on the People of Scripture\Nas well as on the 'Mushrikeen'.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.54,0:13:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has been done in the form of\Na verb as well as an adjective.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.31,0:13:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it has been done on\Nthem, if you observe that occasion,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.23,0:13:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these terms have been \Nused only for the people
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.76,0:14:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who bear witness to\Ntheir 'Kufr' and confess to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.61,0:14:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay, i.e it portrays \Ntheir outward state.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.32,0:14:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] i.e. it is exactly like, \Na thief comes to us,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.82,0:14:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he confesses \Nthat he is a thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.83,0:14:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, you have the full right \Nto say that he is a thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.26,0:14:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You may proclaim that the thief\Nhimself had come and told me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.34,0:14:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The robber had come\Nand said this to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.02,0:14:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since he has confessed to it.\NPut it in the sphere of the law,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.38,0:14:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. a person comes \Nto the Court,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.94,0:14:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he comes and \Nconfesses of his crime,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.39,0:14:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so now the judicial proceedings will\Nlimit to the recording of the confession.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.70,0:14:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that, \Nthe sentence may be given.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.74,0:14:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. after this, you cease\Nto remain an accused.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.83,0:14:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at the case of adultery, \Nwe have been taught that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.90,0:14:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will not accuse \Nanybody of adultery,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.48,0:14:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we come across any such instance\Nwe will try to keep it covered.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.00,0:14:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we do otherwise, then\Nit will become a crime for 'Qazf',
Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.60,0:14:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then in such a situation,\Nwe have been bound
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.08,0:15:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fetch at least 4 witnesses.\NHowever, some people presented
Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.78,0:15:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves before the Prophet (pbuh),
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.13,0:15:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and confessed to having\Ncommitted adultery themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.65,0:15:10.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, now why would \Nthey need the 4 witnesses?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.13,0:15:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, now to say about\Nthem that they committed adultery,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.14,0:15:15.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neither can anyone be stopped from\Ndoing it,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.29,0:15:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor is it a crime.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.92,0:15:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is actually a statement of their \Nown confession or they're owning up.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.92,0:15:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] So when the Quran has to tell,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.96,0:15:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this particular thing is 'Kufr',\Nor to tell that when such an act is done,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.80,0:15:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is an act of 'Kafir', that\Nis the description of the Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.76,0:15:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is done by us all, no \None can have any objection to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.29,0:15:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The complete knowledge tradition\Nof the Muslims has done this.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.23,0:15:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since the Iman \Nhas to be elaborated,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.39,0:15:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therefore its contrast \Nhas to be explained as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.15,0:15:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, when we apply it\Nto a group or an individual,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.09,0:15:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then for this, two things \Nbecome compulsory,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.75,0:15:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. one is that he or they \Nown up to it, or accept it,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.22,0:15:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after this, we do not \Nhave any responsibility,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.70,0:15:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have called myself a Muslim,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.17,0:16:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now there isn't the need \Nto check or test my Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.26,0:16:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I have declared \Nmyself as a Muslim then
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.27,0:16:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will welcome\Nme as a Muslim.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.63,0:16:10.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same thing has\Nbeen stated in a place in the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.77,0:16:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if a person on some \Noccasion,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.98,0:16:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, when we go into fields, a man\Nappears and says, "As Salamu Alaikum",
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.83,0:16:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hence this is a way of Islam,\Naccept it, and do not reply to him
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.01,0:16:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Lasta Mumina', you are not Momin,\Nthis has been stated in Surah Nisa.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.58,0:16:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore I expressed my \NIman and you accepted it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.04,0:16:28.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] The first situattion.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.35,0:16:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] In the same way,\Nwhen I express my 'Kufr',
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.22,0:16:36.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said that I am not going to \Naccept your ideas about Prophethood,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.41,0:16:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I deny it, or if\Nit is said in Arabic,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.49,0:16:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that whatever you \Nare saying I am its 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.54,0:16:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I may say any \Nof these expressions.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.46,0:16:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This will be my confession.\NThis will be a statement about myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.35,0:16:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, when the Quran tells\Nthis to a group,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.10,0:16:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. addressing them as Kafir, or\Nreporting their saying as that of a Kafir,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.96,0:17:00.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are all those? \NThose are the ones
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.97,0:17:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who confess for\Ntheir 'Kufr' themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.78,0:17:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. they have stepped ahead \Nto proclaim themselves as Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.01,0:17:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here the Quran has \Nnot given any verdict.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.39,0:17:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since, if they deny it, \Nso now the question arises that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.94,0:17:19.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the thief has denied now on what\Nprinciple will we call him a thief?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.39,0:17:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] But where have they \Nowned up that they are Kafir?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.70,0:17:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] This is what \NI am going to discuss.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.21,0:17:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.\N[Ghamidi] i.e. the objective
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.70,0:17:28.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all this introduction\Nwas to know first,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.03,0:17:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the terminological interpretation\Nfor the word Kufr in the Quran?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.83,0:17:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the meaning of the term 'Shirk'? \NWhen on different occasions
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.77,0:17:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Quran pronounces\Nsomething as Kufr,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.36,0:17:42.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it is Shirk, then what is it doing? \NThat actually is a description of the Deen
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.69,0:17:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when it refers \Nto the different groups
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.96,0:17:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and says this, whether it is \Ndone on the first day
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.59,0:17:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or on the last day, i.e. whether it\Nadopts this method on the first day
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.10,0:17:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the last day of its Dawah,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.11,0:17:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will know from the Quran ourselves\Nthat in the Dawah of all the Prophets,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.33,0:18:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are actually \Nthe leaders or the arrogant people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.20,0:18:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the elders of their community,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.11,0:18:06.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have been their elites who \Nthemselves have taken the initiative
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.41,0:18:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and proclaimed that "we are Kafirs", and\Nthen the Quran gives their reference.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.32,0:18:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, those are self-confessed\Ncriminals
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.61,0:18:17.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whom the Quran addresses as 'Kafir' here.\NNow I will present to you one by one
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.87,0:18:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those places in the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.96,0:18:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab,\Nbefore you present the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.45,0:18:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a question that comes to mind is,\Nit might also occur logically to people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.01,0:18:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have clearly differentiated \Nbetween the literal meaning
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.90,0:18:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the formation of the\Nterminological meaning
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.24,0:18:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that both have \Nbeen used in the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.24,0:18:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The question is how will \Nit be known that on a certain occasion
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.30,0:18:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Quran is using the \Nterminological meaning of Kafir
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.47,0:18:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since nowhere is it mentioned \Nin the Quran that here
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.09,0:18:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the literal meaning is not used, rather \Nit is the terminological meaning here.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.60,0:18:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How will we know about what \Nmeaning is to be taken and when?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.88,0:18:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] There is no difficulty in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.42,0:18:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We decide likewise \Nfor all words we use.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.73,0:18:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The terminological meaning as \Nwell is a part of the lexicon.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.40,0:18:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not that they are left out.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.81,0:19:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For 'Namaz' (Prayer) the word \Nused in the Quran is Salah.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.17,0:19:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word Salah stands for Dua,\Nsupplication and turning towards Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.66,0:19:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Allah's (swt) Blessings, it is\Nused in several meanings.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.43,0:19:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it has been used for 'Namaz' \Nor when it has become a technical term,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.98,0:19:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we know from \Nthe context or the backdrop.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.18,0:19:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all the scholars have been doing \Nthis, I am not independent in this.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.48,0:19:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All will tell you where the word\N'Kufr' is being used as a technical term,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.64,0:19:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or where it is being used\Nin its literal meaning?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.00,0:19:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] I gave examples to you just now,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.95,0:19:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it was stated,\N"Main Yaghfuru Bitaghut",
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.16,0:19:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one who denies Taghut, obviously,\Nhere that 'Kufr' which the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.76,0:19:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,declares as the biggest deviation, \Nhasn't been used in that meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.22,0:19:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here it is used on \Nthe occasion for praise.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.40,0:19:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, on different occasions,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.13,0:19:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even while speaking the \NArabic language
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.26,0:19:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we use this word,\NIf I wish to say that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.43,0:19:44.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so and so person does \Nnot even accept that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.45,0:19:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Earth revolves \Naround the Sun,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.51,0:19:49.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he does not agree, denies it,\Nnegates it,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.40,0:19:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we can use the word 'Kafir' for it \Nand will do it without hesitation.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.51,0:19:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here the topic itself will tell\Nthat it is in the literal sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.69,0:20:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when we will bring it \Ninto its technical use
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.04,0:20:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then obviously the aspect of \Ndiscussion will become clear from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.51,0:20:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These interpretations\Nwill become clear to you by themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.62,0:20:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now you see that\NI am beginning from Surah 'Aaraaf',
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.71,0:20:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Aayaat of Surah Aaraaf which I am \Ngoing to read to you start from 75.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.80,0:20:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is stated,"Qalal Malaiul \NLazee Nastakbiru Min Qaumihi
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.97,0:20:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lil Lazee Nastuzifu Li Man\NAamana Minhum Wa Talamuna
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.84,0:20:28.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anna Salihan Mursalum Mir Rabbi\NQalu Inna Bima Ursila Bihi Muminoon".
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.49,0:20:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The elders of his nation \Nwho had become arrogant said
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.70,0:20:36.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to their subordinates \Nwho had accepted Iman,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.49,0:20:38.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. on one side are the\Npeople who are weak,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.100,0:20:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have accepted Iman, \Nwho are in opposition to them?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.83,0:20:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The elders of the nation. \NThe leaders, heads, they are asking them,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.33,0:20:48.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do you think that Saleh\Nhas been sent by his Lord?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.91,0:20:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.70,0:20:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] i.e. such a silly thing\Nis being said.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.97,0:20:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think that a person \Nwho was born among us
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.79,0:20:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been chosen by Allah (swt) \Nand made a Prophet?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.41,0:21:00.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They replied, who are they?\NThe subordinates.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.57,0:21:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They replied that they accept the \NMessage with which he has been sent.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.12,0:21:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.\N[Ghamidi] So what are the words used.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.06,0:21:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Inna Bima Ursila\NBihi Muminoon".
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.70,0:21:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, the same term has been \Nused here which we use for Iman.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.48,0:21:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I will be asked, I will say that\NI am the Momin of the Prophet (pbuh).
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.60,0:21:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am the Momin \Nof the Prophets.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.42,0:21:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what reply \Ndid they give?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.86,0:21:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They replied that the Dawah\Nwhich Saleh has come down with,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.71,0:21:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are its Momin.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.06,0:21:26.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly the same interpretation\Nwhich we use for Iman,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.99,0:21:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they adopted the same.\NIn reply to it,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.12,0:21:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Qalal Lazee Nastakbiru Inna \NBillazee Amantum Bihi Kaafiroon".
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.37,0:21:37.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On this, the arrogant said,\Ni.e. how are they responding,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.27,0:21:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They replied 'But we deny that which\Nyou have accepted'.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.22,0:21:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.\N[Ghamidi] So now when they said this,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.85,0:21:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what was the term \Nused by them?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.44,0:21:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Inna Billazee Amantum\NBihi Kaafiroon",
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.54,0:21:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. on that which you have brought \NIman, i.e. on which you are Momin,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.88,0:21:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are its 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.27,0:21:54.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] They said themselves \Nthat they are its kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.81,0:21:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] That we \Nare its 'Kafirs'.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.07,0:22:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am saying when\Nthe Quran has for these nations,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.36,0:22:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their leaders, for their heads, \Nused the word Kafir
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.52,0:22:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they themselves are \Nproclaiming themselves as Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.93,0:22:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are self-confessed criminals\Nin their 'Kufr' (Disbelief).
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.96,0:22:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. they are stepping ahead \Nand proclaiming that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.64,0:22:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Dawah the Prophet (pbuh) has \Ncome with, we are clearly denying it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.41,0:22:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] Let us go ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.47,0:22:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, this is Surah Ibrahim,\NI will read it from Ayah 9,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.77,0:22:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Alam Yaatikum Nabaullazeena \NMin Qablikum Qaumi Nuhim
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.57,0:22:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wa Aadim Wa Samud \NWallazeena Mim Baadihim
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.52,0:22:37.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Laa Yaalamuhum Ilallah\NJaatuhum Rasuluhum Bil Bayyinaati
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.27,0:22:42.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fa Raddu Aidiyahum Fi Afwahihim\NWa Qalu Inna Kafarna Bima Ursiltum
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.85,0:22:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bihi, Wa Inna Lafi Shakkim \NMimma Tadunana Ilahi Mureeb"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.30,0:22:49.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its translation is,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.37,0:22:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Has there not reached you \Nthe news of those before you",
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.94,0:22:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now you see that the Prophets\Nof Allah who have come,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.90,0:22:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their reference is given,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.43,0:23:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Has there not reached you \Nthe news of those before you",
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.95,0:23:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people of Noah and Aad and \NSamud and those after them?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.74,0:23:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the mention of all the\NProphets has been made.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.70,0:23:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one knows \Nthem but Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.57,0:23:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. all the Prophets, about \Nwhom you don't even know
Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.12,0:23:17.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to who all were they?\NI am going to talk about all of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.74,0:23:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is stated by Allah (swt).
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.17,0:23:20.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No one knows \Nthem but Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.91,0:23:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their Messengers",\Ni.e. the prophets of those nations,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.04,0:23:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the different nations \Nthat existed in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.44,0:23:29.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Their Messengers brought\Nthem clear proofs".
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.65,0:23:33.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"But they placed their hands to \Ntheir mouths to shut them up".
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.45,0:23:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. they refused to listen to them.\NAnd said, "Indeed, we disbelieve in that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.75,0:23:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with which you have been sent".
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.95,0:23:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the words?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.31,0:23:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Inna Kafarna Bima Ursiltum Bihi".
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.65,0:23:46.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same term \N'Kufr' is used.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.11,0:23:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have done 'Kufr' \Nwith what you have been sent.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.09,0:23:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] They have themselves\Nconfessed for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.53,0:23:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] They have \Nconfessed it themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.14,0:23:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We disbelieve in that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.71,0:23:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and indeed,\Nabout that to which you invite us,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.91,0:24:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are really in troublesome doubt".
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.13,0:24:04.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. here is a confession for their\Nsuspicion as well as their 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.91,0:24:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both the points had \Nbeen stated nonchalantly.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.32,0:24:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And therefore they have \Nthemselves confessed
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.79,0:24:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the point that they are 'Kafir',\Nwe have accepted
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.51,0:24:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Kufr' in place of Deen, \Non one side, there are Momin
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.05,0:24:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are expressing Iman \Non the Prophet,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.75,0:24:22.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the other are we, \Nwho deny the Dawah of the Prophet,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.40,0:24:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we say in\NUrdu, 'Munkir',
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.14,0:24:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we say it in \NArabic, then it is 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.44,0:24:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Inna Bima Ursiltum\NBihi Kaafiroon".
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.10,0:24:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has been stated.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.92,0:24:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After this is Surah Haam Mim as-Sajdah.\NI shall read the Aayaat, from Ayah 13.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.19,0:24:39.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Fa In Aarazu Fa Qul Anzartukum \NSaaiqatim Misla Saaiqati
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.46,0:24:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aaddin Wa Samud Iz Jaat \NHumur Rusulu Mim Baine
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.72,0:24:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aidihim Wa Mim Khalfihim \NAlla Taabudu Ilallahu Qalu
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.22,0:24:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lau Sha'a Rabbuna La Anzala Malaika \NWa Inna Bima Ursiltum Bihi Kaafiroon"
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.24,0:24:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The translation is,\N"But if they turn their faces",
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.50,0:24:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e the Prophet is giving Dawah \Nand they are evading him.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.44,0:25:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"But if they turn their faces,\Nthen say to them",
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.24,0:25:05.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'I warn you of a thunderbolt \Nlike the thunderbolt,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.55,0:25:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which overtook Aad and Samud"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.51,0:25:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is being said to the\NProphet of Allah that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.32,0:25:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he must tell them that they\Ntoo are negating a Prophet,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.26,0:25:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they too are refusing a Prophet's mission,\Nyou too are falsifying a Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.61,0:25:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the consequences that \Nare there for negating a Prophet,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.12,0:25:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am warning you about them.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.28,0:25:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"When Messengers came\Nto them from before them
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.43,0:25:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and behind them, i.e. Dawah was given \Nto them from every side,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:29.80,0:25:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that they may be made to\Nunderstand from each aspect,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.77,0:25:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying, 'Worship none but Allah'. \NThis is the summary of their Dawah.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.75,0:25:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"They said, 'Had our Lord so wished,\NHe would have sent down Angels'.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.50,0:25:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How come you have \Nstood amongst us?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.70,0:25:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Therefore", now listen to the reply,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.16,0:25:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"we disbelieve in the Message \Nwith what you have been sent"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.84,0:25:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"we are 'Kafirs' of the Message\Nwith which you have been sent".
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.73,0:25:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the original words?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.30,0:25:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Fa Inna Bima Ursiltum\NBihi Kaafiroon"
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.62,0:26:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so note here too, they are \Nthemselves confessing
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.37,0:26:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the fact that they are \N'Kafirs' of that Message,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.92,0:26:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not ready\Nto accept that Message.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.46,0:26:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] And at the end of this chain,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.04,0:26:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am reading a part of\NSurah 'Zukhruf',
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.52,0:26:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here the full point has \Nbeen stated in great detail.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.03,0:26:19.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Aayaat start from Ayah 20\Nonwards. It is stated,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.79,0:26:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wa Qaalu Lau Sha ar Rahmanu \NMa Abadnahum Maalahum
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.94,0:26:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bi Zaalika Min Ilm In Hum\NBillah Yakhrusun
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.76,0:26:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am Atainahum Kitaabun Mim \NQablihim Fa Hum Bihi
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.28,0:26:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mustamsikoon Bal Qalu \NInna Wajadna Aabaa'ana
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.93,0:26:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ala Ummatin Wa Inna Ala \NAsaarihim Muhtadoon
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.88,0:26:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wa Kazaalika Maa Arsalna\NMin Qablika Fi Kariatim
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.87,0:26:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Min Nazeer Illa Qala\NMutarafuha Inna Wajadna
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.53,0:26:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aaba'ana Ala Ummatim Wa \NInna Ala Asaarihim Muqtadoon
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.19,0:26:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Qala Wa Lau Jetukum Bi \NAhda Minwajadtum Alaihi
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.88,0:27:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aba'a kum Qaalu Inna\NBima Ursiltum Bihi Kaafiroon
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.28,0:27:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fan Taqamna Minhum Fanzur \NKaifa Kana Aaqibatul Mukazzibin"
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.84,0:27:06.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now look at the translation,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.91,0:27:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they said, "If the Most\NMerciful had wished"
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.41,0:27:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"And they said, \N"If Most Merciful God had wished,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.80,0:27:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would not have\Nworshipped them".
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.63,0:27:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the Prophets came,\Nthey are giving Dawah for Tawheed,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.37,0:27:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are stopping them from Shirk,\Nand in reply they are saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.44,0:27:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If Most Merciful God had wished,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.10,0:27:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would not have\Nworshipped them".
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.82,0:27:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have no knowledge of this. \NThey are merely guessing.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.04,0:27:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Or have we given\Nthem a book before
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.56,0:27:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to which they are adhering to in support\Nof their foolishness".
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.79,0:27:35.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nay! They say,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.80,0:27:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We found our fathers \Nfollowing a superior way
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.37,0:27:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and religion, and we guide\Nourselves by their footsteps".
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.92,0:27:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And similarly, O Prophet, We sent not\Na warner before you to any town
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.23,0:27:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is purely a general style ...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.50,0:27:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this has happened in all cases, \Nthis has taken place with all peoples.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.78,0:27:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has happened with \Nthe nations of every Prophet.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.27,0:28:00.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We sent not a warner\Nbefore you to any town"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.98,0:28:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the rich ones among them\Nthe 'Aghnia', the elders, its elite,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.43,0:28:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"but those living in luxury \Namong them, said this only
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.36,0:28:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We found our fathers\Nfollowing a superior way
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.88,0:28:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and religion, and we guide\Nourselves by their footsteps".
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.98,0:28:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their warner, i.e. the\NProphet said,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.75,0:28:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Even if I bring you\Nbetter guidance than it,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.45,0:28:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. still will you follow that way?\N"which you found your fathers following?"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.84,0:28:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They replied, "Verily, \NWe are disbelievers (Kafir)
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.50,0:28:36.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that with which \Nyou have been sent."
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.73,0:28:39.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.\N[Ghamidi] "Qaalu Inna Bima
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.05,0:28:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ursiltum Bihi Kaafiroon"
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.94,0:28:43.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With what you have been sent
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.55,0:28:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we do not accept it, we deny it, \Nwe are its 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.89,0:28:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the matter has\Nreached to such a pass,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.90,0:28:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so We took retribution on them for their \Nrebellion.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.60,0:28:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then see what was the end of those \Nwho denied?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.12,0:29:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence you see, a few places of\Nthe Quran have been presented to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.08,0:29:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The point is that the Quran \Nadopts the technical terminology
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.10,0:29:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the word 'Kufr' on any occasion\Nwhen it tells that what is Kufr?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.09,0:29:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it tells as to\Nwho are the Kuffaar (Kafirs).
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.12,0:29:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly similar to when it tells what is \NIman and who is a Momin or a Muslim?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.36,0:29:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the statement of Dawah. \NIt is the description of the Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.67,0:29:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or it will use it when it points\Nto a specific group,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.23,0:29:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will give its reference that this\Nwas said by the Deniers (Kafirs).
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.57,0:29:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was said by the 'Munkirs'. \NSo who are these people?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.33,0:29:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the people who have\Nthemselves confessed of their 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.59,0:29:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They voice their 'Kufr' by themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.13,0:29:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence in the Quran these are\Ntwo interpretations,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.39,0:29:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the two facets \Nof the word,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.26,0:29:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has been adopted in \Ndifferent places by Allah (swt).
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.12,0:29:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the usages in Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.68,0:30:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the matter of the usages of the Quran, \Nthere cannot be two opinions.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.86,0:30:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. you, the Ulema \Nof Muslim Ummah, or I,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.11,0:30:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who can have a second\Nopinion in this matter?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.46,0:30:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, when we have to state Deen\Nto the people, what will we tell them?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.80,0:30:16.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will only tell them as \Nto what is Islam or what is Iman?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.75,0:30:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] The standards.\N[Ghamidi] And when we would explain,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.61,0:30:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that be steadfast on this Iman,\Nor on this Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.01,0:30:25.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then against it sometimes \NShirk would come into the discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.03,0:30:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or sometimes Kufr'\Nwould be discussed.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.83,0:30:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we shall only tell as to\Nwhat is Kufr or who is a Kafir?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.65,0:30:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These things have been \Nmentioned in Ahadees,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.18,0:30:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the discussions of Ulema as well. \NYou and I would also state them.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.95,0:30:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am repeatedly drawing \Nattention that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.88,0:30:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there isn't any scope \Nof disagreement in this.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.97,0:30:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Absolutely no scope.\N[Ghamidi] After this comes,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.90,0:30:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the pronouncement about \Na particular person or group
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.42,0:30:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they are Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.78,0:30:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The topic 'Takfeer' which has been\Ngiven is now being discussed.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.96,0:30:59.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, what lies here. It is not\Nthat I am stating what is Kufr?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.78,0:31:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or I am defining a kafir.\NOr I am defining that this is theft.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.13,0:31:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or I am stating what\Nconstitutes a thief?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.23,0:31:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or I am stating that \Nthis is adultery.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.34,0:31:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or that I am stating this \Nis what an adulterer is.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.88,0:31:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, things have \Nmoved ahead of this.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.86,0:31:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] You are an adulterer.\N[Ghamidi] I'm saying that 'You are Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.66,0:31:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say that you are an adulterer.\NI am saying that you are a thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.46,0:31:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. my addressee can\Nbe an individual
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.46,0:31:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or my addressee can be a \Ngroup or a collective as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.40,0:31:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I proclaim this, \Nthings do not remain as simple.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.99,0:31:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have elaborated its one situation that\Nwhen we will read the Quran thoughtfully
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.31,0:31:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we will learn that \Nthe nations of the Prophets
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.17,0:31:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have disbelieved in the Prophets,\Nthen their elite, their arrogant,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.10,0:31:46.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their elders, their heads, \Nthey stepped ahead themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.65,0:31:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and listened to the \NDawah of the Prophets,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.97,0:31:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after that said,\N"Inna Bima Ursiltum Bihi Kaafiroon"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.64,0:31:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] They had \Nconfessed themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.74,0:31:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] We are Kafirs (of it).
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.36,0:31:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence the question doesn't arise \Nof pronouncing someone as Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.90,0:31:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here an admission has \Ntaken place,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.84,0:32:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. when I said that I am a Momin,\Nso now I am a confessional Momin,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:04.14,0:32:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when I said that I am a Kafir, so \Nnow I am a confessional Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.92,0:32:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same way, when I had \Nstepped ahead to confess that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.09,0:32:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a thief, or I am an adulterer,\Nor I said that I am a robber,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.25,0:32:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I have committed robbery. \NSo when I am confessing my crime myself,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.36,0:32:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after this, the question never arises \Nas to whether
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.12,0:32:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he is to be called a Kafir or not.\Ni.e. this Takfeer hasn't been done by me,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.26,0:32:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he himself has confessed of his Kufr.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.30,0:32:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] What does Takfeer mean?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.24,0:32:36.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Takfeer means that\NI proclaim someone to be a 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.45,0:32:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. I have to declare of someone else,\Nthat he/she is Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.39,0:32:42.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is termed as 'Takfeer'.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.01,0:32:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should first make this \Nword very clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.30,0:32:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The point with which I have \Ndiffered starts from here.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.13,0:32:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.\N[Ghamidi] i.e. whatever I have said
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.64,0:32:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prior to it, there isn't any scope \Nof having any difference of opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.14,0:32:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Kufr' will also be stated and \Nwho is a Kafir, will also be explained.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.35,0:33:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same way,\Nthis too will be stated that
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.14,0:33:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the arrogant from so and so tribe\Nhave declared themselves as 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.74,0:33:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Prophets also referred\Nto them in the same way.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.18,0:33:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the elite \Namong them said,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.70,0:33:10.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Prophets too referred\Nto them in the same way.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.11,0:33:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This will be stated by you \Nas well as by me,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.30,0:33:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there does not arise any question \Nof debate on this point.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.01,0:33:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where does the point start from?\NThe point starts from those people,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.96,0:33:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the specific group, or collective,\Nor a particular person,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:24.10,0:33:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are neither \Naccepting nor denying.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.04,0:33:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They did not own up that\Nthey are Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.48,0:33:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Dawah did not \Nreach any of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.50,0:33:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None was even told of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.17,0:33:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At present, if we look \Naround in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.57,0:33:41.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we may find 10 or 20 thousand\Npeople who are stepping ahead
Dialogue: 0,0:33:41.27,0:33:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and openly declaring that we \Nare 'Munkir' (Denier) of Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.42,0:33:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are 'Kafir'. These are not \Nincluded in this.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.88,0:33:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are confessing to their 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.75,0:33:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] They are in the first category.\N[Ghamidi] They would be active
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.00,0:33:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the social media, would\Nbe writing in newspapers,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.48,0:33:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or would be \Nwriting some book,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.35,0:33:59.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the intellectuals\Nand the like are coming forward
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.51,0:34:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and confessing to their\Natheism and their 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.89,0:34:03.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What discussion will we do with them?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.95,0:34:05.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or what I will say about them?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.39,0:34:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] Whatever they are saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:07.26,0:34:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will give a reference of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.24,0:34:11.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. if I have to refer to \Nthem sometime at all,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.74,0:34:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I will say that so and so\Natheist has this opinion
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.64,0:34:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so and so sceptic\Nhold this opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.65,0:34:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so and so \NKafir has this opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.28,0:34:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] He himself is telling it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.47,0:34:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] for the reason they are \Ntelling this about themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.12,0:34:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are introducing \Nthemselves in this capacity.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.95,0:34:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are comimg forward with\Ntheir Dawah, i.e. the Dawah for 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.15,0:34:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way we have come forward\Nwith the Dawah for Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.64,0:34:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have come forward \Nwith the Dawah for Kufr.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.54,0:34:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, presently, there \Nare billions of people,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.30,0:34:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have neither taken a \Nstand on denial or acceptance.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.39,0:34:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] For example?\N[Ghamidi] Presently, our Hindus,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.01,0:34:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christians, Buddhists,\Nall of these people
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.82,0:34:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who surround us that these\Nare in millions and billions,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.24,0:34:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the Muslim population \Nof the world is 1.5 billion at the most.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:51.26,0:34:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rest of the people who surround us,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.75,0:34:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see in our own country,\Nthe Christians, the Hindus,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.86,0:34:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are following \Ntheir ancestral Deen,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.61,0:35:01.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has presented\Nthe Dawah to them?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.81,0:35:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When have they denied?\NNeither acceptance nor denial.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.74,0:35:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are living their lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.68,0:35:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the people \Nabout whom we are discussing
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.50,0:35:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to what we have\Nto say about them?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.48,0:35:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Regarding them, I have stated\Nthe point that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.38,0:35:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we cannot call them with any name\Nother than Non-Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.72,0:35:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Okay.\N[Ghamidi] These are the people
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.19,0:35:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are under discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.43,0:35:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those people are not under discussion\Nwho have confessed of their 'Kufr'.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.59,0:35:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those people are not under discussion\Nwho are calling people to Kufr.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.83,0:35:30.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. they are proclaiming that\Nthey are Kafir,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.99,0:35:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are proclaiming \Nthat they are Mushrik.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.14,0:35:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, before Yathrib (Madinah) \Nwhen the Prophet (pbuh) was in Makkah,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.92,0:35:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the polytheists of Arabia\Nused to say that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.20,0:35:45.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have adopted \NShirk as their Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.02,0:35:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is not under discussion.\NThe subject of discussion is
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.74,0:35:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these people who are spread\Nacross the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.71,0:35:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are residing\Nin our countries,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.93,0:35:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look at Egypt, Iraq, Syria, \NJordan or the sub-continent,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.35,0:36:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there a tens of Millions \Nof Hindus, and followers of Buddhism,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.12,0:36:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tens of millions of Christians, \Nare there, these are the people
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.28,0:36:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about whom the question arises \Nthat can we call them Kafir?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.91,0:36:13.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the question to \Nwhich I have replied that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.47,0:36:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there isn't even the question \Nof rejecting the Dawah
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.58,0:36:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Prophets among them. \NThey are like us,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.27,0:36:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we are born in our homes,\Nthe Deen which is taught by our parents
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.45,0:36:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we follow it accordingly, \Nthe same is their situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.11,0:36:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] i.e. whatever they have learned
Dialogue: 0,0:36:27.89,0:36:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from their parents, whatever\Nthey have received from their society,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.19,0:36:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accordingly, they are\Nspending their lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.27,0:36:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that what would be their fate is not\Nin the purview of our discussion now.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.99,0:36:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would we call them?\NSo have they stepped forward
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.38,0:36:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to declare Iman? They haven't done so. \NSo we can't call them a Momin.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:45.04,0:36:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't declare them a Muslim.\NHave they stepped ahead
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.10,0:36:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and negated our \NDeen and the Prophets?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.70,0:36:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can't call them Kafir too.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.27,0:36:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Practically it is so\Nif they haven't accepted it.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.92,0:36:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Practically, everyone \Nstands at the same level.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.35,0:36:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We too are practically\Nnegating many things.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.62,0:37:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, I have explained to you that \Nthe moment a person comes forward
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.01,0:37:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and proclaims that\NI have indulged in Kufr,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.12,0:37:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at that time he himself \Nconfesses to his crime.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.89,0:37:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He himself is confessing\Nto his sin or of his creed.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.77,0:37:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Till now he hasn't even accepted \Nany of the two.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:18.37,0:37:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we will approach them \Nwith the Dawah,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.46,0:37:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. when did the Prophets\Nraise this question?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.78,0:37:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they had presented their Dawah?\NWhen they took the message across.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.13,0:37:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they presented\Ntheir point to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.01,0:37:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they presented it, their \Nfollowers said that
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.55,0:37:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have accepted Iman \Non them, we are Momin,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:33.97,0:37:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in reply the arrogant among them said\Nthat we are 'Kafir'
Dialogue: 0,0:37:37.44,0:37:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deniers of what they have brought.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.22,0:37:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] The point is absolutely clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.39,0:37:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] So there the line of demarcation\Nis drawn in the most certain terms.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:44.25,0:37:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here the countless people\Nare an audience for our Dawah.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.80,0:37:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We shall communicate Deen to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.67,0:37:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We shall take the Book\Nof Allah across to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.93,0:37:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We shall present them\Nwith the Message of Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.25,0:37:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To them, we will tell \Nwhat is Kufr?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.81,0:37:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To them, we will convey\Nas to what is Iman?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.94,0:38:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will tell them \Nwho is called a 'kafir'?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.24,0:38:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will teach \Nthem who is a Momin?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.56,0:38:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here our relationship with \Nthem is that of Dawah.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.74,0:38:12.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We cannot adopt the \Nway of Takfeer regarding them.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.18,0:38:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Firstly, now I am telling you,\Nwhat is the point that I am making?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.66,0:38:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the extent of the\Npoint which I have stated?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.40,0:38:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am now going to read\Nto you my own words.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.96,0:38:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is from my book 'Maqamaat',\Nhere we have an article
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.16,0:38:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the title\N'Muslim and Non-Muslim'.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.43,0:38:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have written here,\N"Other than Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.50,0:38:35.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rest of the followers of all\Nreligions are called Non-Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.42,0:38:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. we have a particular strength of \Nnumber in this world, so all of us,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.04,0:38:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,irrespective of being good or bad \Nor whatever, what are we called?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.22,0:38:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Muslims. Who are the ones\Nwho are other than us?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.48,0:38:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who are not Muslims.\NOther than the followers of Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.11,0:38:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the followers of all religions \Nare called Non-Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.86,0:38:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same term is for those too who \Ndo not subscribe to any religion.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.89,0:39:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We call them the same\Ni.e. they are Non-Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.28,0:39:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not a word of insult, \Nrather it is an expression
Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.19,0:39:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the fact that they\Ndo not believe in Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.69,0:39:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] i.e. what are they saying?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.24,0:39:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You had said, what does a Hindu say?\Ni.e. through his conduct.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.53,0:39:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says that I do \Nnot believe in Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.07,0:39:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is saying just this much.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.62,0:39:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Since he is Non-Muslim\Nand this is implied with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.15,0:39:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] He being a Non-Muslim,\Nit is his statement.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.99,0:39:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hasn't introduced\Nhimself as a Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.76,0:39:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since the process of \Nthat relationship of Dawah
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.80,0:39:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is yet to be established with him, post\Nwhich the issue of Kufr or Iman arises.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.21,0:39:35.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is just saying that I \Ndo not subscribe to Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.100,0:39:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Generally, such people\Nare also called 'Kafir'.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.30,0:39:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. people often call these\NNon-Muslims as Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.77,0:39:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, I have elaborated with \Njustifications that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.31,0:39:50.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Takfeer, the Conclusive communication\Nof God's proof is required.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.39,0:39:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the point is that the Completion \Nof Arguments of God's truth is a must.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.03,0:39:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it imply?\NIt implies that when we say,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.75,0:40:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that so and so person\Nis a thief,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.99,0:40:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that person comes and\Nowns up that he is in fact a thief,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.62,0:40:10.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then no witnesses are required.\NThere is no need for a lawsuit.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.21,0:40:12.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the matter is put up\Nbefore a judge then
Dialogue: 0,0:40:12.79,0:40:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the most, as I had said, \Nhe will record that confession,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.96,0:40:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like when people came\Nto the Prophet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.75,0:40:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and confessed to adultery and stated\Nthat they have committed this crime,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.36,0:40:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the Prophet (pbuh) asked some \Nquestions an emphatic tone,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.89,0:40:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it gets completely \Nclear as to
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.98,0:40:34.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are they speaking and \Nwhat is their confession?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.94,0:40:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, the punishment was imposed\Nbased on the confession.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.97,0:40:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here there isn't any\Nneed for a debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.29,0:40:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am telling about a person \Nthat he is an adulterer,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.07,0:40:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am saying that he is a thief, now \Na great responsibility has come upon me,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.79,0:40:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. what is it now? Now \NI have to establish my case.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.03,0:40:54.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence this act of establishing \Nthe case,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.100,0:40:57.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is called Itmam-e Hujjat \N(Conclusive proof of God's Truth).
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.85,0:41:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. when a matter is carried out\Nin a Court, then what does a Court do?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.39,0:41:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Court asks the person \Nwhether he confesses to this crime?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.15,0:41:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he confesses to that crime.\Nthen there is no issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.90,0:41:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, if he says that no,\Nthis is an accusation against me,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.87,0:41:15.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a blame put on me, \NI haven't committed any theft,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.74,0:41:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't committed adultery. \NSo now it is a must that
Dialogue: 0,0:41:19.08,0:41:21.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the conclusive proof is \Nestablished on him
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.31,0:41:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how does that proof\Ngets established?
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.33,0:41:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It gets established through witnesses. \NAfter that, we accumulate
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.39,0:41:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,circumstantial evidence,\Npost that we bring in various proofs
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.59,0:41:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after this, the Judge passes \Nthe judgement that he is a thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.65,0:41:40.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After this, now we have the \Nright to call him a thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.22,0:41:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After this we get the \Nright to call him a thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.07,0:41:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before this, if we say anything \Nabout a person then either
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.55,0:41:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a libel suit will be filed against us,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.91,0:41:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we accuse someone of adultery, \Nthen 80 lashes will be given on our backs.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.92,0:41:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not a simple issue.\NIf the confession is there
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.43,0:42:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there isn't any question.\NWe haven't committed any crime.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.50,0:42:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the confession does not exist,\Nthen there are lawsuits,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.94,0:42:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first there would be established \Nconclusive proof for it,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:07.06,0:42:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. through arguments, \Nthrough evidence and witnesses,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.14,0:42:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his crime would be proven on him,\Nwhen it is proven,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.01,0:42:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Court will give\Nits verdict on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.27,0:42:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] With regard to Kufr and Shirk,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.42,0:42:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the Court? \NThe Court of the Lord of the skies.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.94,0:42:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This lawsuit does not \Nrelate to any worldly Court.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.57,0:42:27.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This lawsuit goes into \Nthe Court of God,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.83,0:42:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so when the Prophets \Nor the Messengers of Allah
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.01,0:42:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are on Earth, then Allah \Ngives His Verdict.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.82,0:42:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when the Verdict is given, \Nso the Quran has told us
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.74,0:42:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the punishments for Kufr and Shirk.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.63,0:42:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azaab-e Aleem (Extreme Torture) \Nand Azaab-e Azeem (Great Torment).
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.94,0:42:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are not ordinary crimes.\NWhen we say that so and so person
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.96,0:42:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has committed 'Kufr' \Nlike when we say that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.04,0:42:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so and so person is a thief, \Nthen its punishment is declared,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:50.32,0:42:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that hand is chopped off, \Nin the same way,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.55,0:42:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we say he is Mushrik, \Nwhen we say he is a kafir,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.80,0:42:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it is an individual or a group,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.86,0:43:01.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then what is the punishment\Nfor it from Allah (swt)?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.47,0:43:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Azaab-e Azeem or Azaab-e Aleem.\NTorturous Torment, great agony.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.48,0:43:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its punishment is the hellfire.\NHence the court of Allah (swt) decides.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.84,0:43:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It decides in the world, \Nwhen the Prophets are sent.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.96,0:43:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will make the judgement\Nin Aakhirah
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.74,0:43:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the Court is \Nestablished on that Day.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.74,0:43:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence for both these decrees, the final \Nproof of God's truth is required.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.62,0:43:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Itmaam-e Hujjat' implies\Nhere the same exercise
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.03,0:43:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was carried out to prove\Nthe accused as the thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.63,0:43:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same exercise would be done \Nhere too,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.52,0:43:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with what objective\Nwould it be done?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.54,0:43:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To prove an accused\NKafir as a Kafir,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.38,0:43:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as he has not \Nconfessed to his Kufr.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.37,0:43:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right.\N[Ghamidi] So when we say about someone
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.11,0:43:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he is a Mushrik,\Nor he is a Kafir,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.82,0:43:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I repeat again if we say that\Nit is Kufr or we say that it is Shirk,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.10,0:43:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we are describing the Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:48.40,0:43:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are putting an academic\Nsuit before the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.38,0:43:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we say that such and such is \NKafir, or such an such is a Mushrik,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.96,0:43:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we are giving Dawah \Nor conveying a Message.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.56,0:44:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we say that so and so\Nperson, Zaid or Umar or a certain group,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.81,0:44:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are kafir or Mushrik, then \Nwhat, in essence, are we doing?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.22,0:44:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are actually convicting someone,\Nand this act of convicting
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.42,0:44:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either will be through confession\Nor through the conclusive proof of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.76,0:44:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have said,\Nlike in case of worldly crimes,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.44,0:44:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, theft, or for example,\Nadultery for these
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.62,0:44:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the conclusive proof is\Nestablished in the Court.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.93,0:44:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly in the same way, \Nwith regard to Kufr and Shirk,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.63,0:44:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the conclusive proof \Nis established by the Prophets of Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.58,0:44:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when the conclusive proof is \Nestablished by the Prophets of Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.99,0:44:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the punishment is \Nmeted out in the world as well
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.63,0:44:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and announcement of Kufr \Nand Shirk for those groups are done.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.54,0:44:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. declaration is made for them\Nbeing Kafir and Mushrik.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.30,0:44:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the case of those where this Decree\Nwasn't issued in this world,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.04,0:44:45.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding them, the Decree will be\Nissued by the Court of God in Qiyamah.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.69,0:44:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a summary of \Nmy stand on this issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.31,0:44:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, I will read \Nto you the full paragraph.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.00,0:44:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here it is stated, "However, we have \Nmade it clear in our books
Dialogue: 0,0:44:54.54,0:44:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supported by justifications, \Nthat for Takfeer,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:56.77,0:44:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Itmaam-e Hujjat \N(Conclusive Argument of God's Truth)
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.89,0:45:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is necessary, and it \Nis known only to God
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.31,0:45:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and He only can tell
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.21,0:45:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether there has \Nactually taken place or not
Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.02,0:45:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Conclusive Proof of God's Truth \Non any individual or group.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:07.50,0:45:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. in the way the Court passes \Nthe Decree,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:09.84,0:45:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the Judge passes a Judgement, \Nin the same way,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.28,0:45:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kufr and Shirk are\Ncrimes related to God,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.84,0:45:17.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their Judgments would \Nbe passed by God.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:17.15,0:45:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now only we \Ncan call him a Kafir.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.58,0:45:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence after the departure\Nof the Prophet (pbuh) from the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.02,0:45:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this Right is no more available \Nto any person or group that
Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.92,0:45:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he pronounces someone a Kafir".
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.92,0:45:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a part of my \Nstand on this topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:36.27,0:45:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. I have elaborated that \Nwhen I have made the point that
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.82,0:45:43.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presently the millions and billions \Nof people that exist in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.53,0:45:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those who do not subscribe to Islam, \Nwhat would be said about them?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:47.54,0:45:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have stated that they \Nwould be called Non-Muslims.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.18,0:45:55.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We cannot call them kafir, as they\Nhave not confessed to their Kufr',
Dialogue: 0,0:45:55.05,0:45:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for the reason that though the \Narrangement of Itmaam-e Hujjat,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.30,0:45:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though present in the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.68,0:46:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it has been \Ncarried out or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.68,0:46:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its Decree has not been\Nissued from Heaven.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.10,0:46:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes place in the \Npresence of the Prophets.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.36,0:46:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for these people this decision\Nwill be made in the Qiyamah,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.12,0:46:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there the Lord of this world \Nwill Pronounce His Final Decree
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.13,0:46:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to who was a Kafir \Nand who had been a Mushrik?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.51,0:46:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, for Takfeer,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.63,0:46:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Conclusive Proof of\NGod's Truth is necessary,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.56,0:46:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without it, we cannot pronounce \Na person who denies Islam as
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.44,0:46:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Kafir though we can \Ncall him a Non-Muslim.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.05,0:46:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot many \Nsupplementary points to it,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.33,0:46:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further clarifications would be \Nrequired for our understanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.32,0:46:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first introduction \Nis crystal clear,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.12,0:46:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if the people are confessing to it,\Nthen there is no hesitation
Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.76,0:46:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to declare them Kafir,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.82,0:46:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Quran also has discussed \Nthis backdrop,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.66,0:46:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, what will be the\Nmatter with them?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.68,0:46:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will also learn from you that\Nif the Muslims go ahead
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.48,0:46:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shun the basic\Nconcepts of Deen,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.89,0:46:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then what does the \NQuran say about their Takfeer?
Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.29,0:46:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your viewpoint? \NWe will present each one of them to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.42,0:46:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The time runs out here. \NWe will again be at your service.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.20,0:46:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much\Nfor your time till now.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:52.82,0:46:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Thank you very much.