1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This is a tuberculosis ward, 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and at the time this picture was taken in the late 1800s, 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one in seven of all people 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 died from tuberculosis. 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We had no idea what was causing this disease. 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The hypothesis was actually 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it was your constitution that made you susceptible. 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And it was a highly romanticized disease. 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It was also called consumption, 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it was the disorder of poets 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and artists and intellectuals, 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and some people actually thought 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it gave you heightened sensitivity 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and conferred creative genius. 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 By the 1950s, 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we instead knew that tuberculosis was caused by a highly contagious 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 bacterial infection, 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is slightly less romantic, 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but that had the upside of us 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 being able to maybe develop 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 drugs to treat it. 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So doctors had discovered a new drug, 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Iproniazid, that they were optimistic 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 might cure tuberculosis, 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they gave it to patients, 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and patients were elated. 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They were more social, more energetic. 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 One medical report actually says 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they were dancing in the halls. 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And unfortunately this was not necessarily because they were getting better. 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 A lot of them were still dying. 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Another medical report describes them 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as being "inappropriately happy." 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that is how the first antidepressant was discovered. 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So accidental discovery is not uncommon in science, 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it requires more than just a happy accident. 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You have to be able to recognize it for discovery to occur. 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 As a neuroscientist, I'm going to talk to you a little bit 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about my firsthand experience 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with what you want to call the opposite of dumb luck, 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 let's call it smart luck. 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But first a bit more background. 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Thankfully, since the 1950s, 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we've developed some other drugs and we can actually now cure tuberculosis. 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And at least in the United States, though not necessarily in other countries, 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we have closed our sanitoriums 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and probably most of you are not too worried about TB. 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But a lot of what was true in the early 1900s 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about infectious disease, 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we can say now about psychiatric disorders. 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We are in the middle of an epidemic of mood disorders 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD. 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 One in four of all adults in the United States 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 suffers from mental illness, 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which means that if you haven't experienced personally 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or someone in your family hasn't, 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's still very likely that someone you know has, 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 though they may not talk about it. 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Depression has actually now surpassed 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 HIV/AIDS, malaria, diabetes, and war 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as the leading cause of disability worldwide, 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and also, like tuberculosis in the 1950s, 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we don't know what causes it. 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Once it's developed, it's chronic, 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 lasts a lifetime, 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and there are no known cures. 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The second antidepressant we discovered 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 also by accident in the 1950s 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from an antihistamine that was making people manic, 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Imipramine. 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And in both the case of the tuberculosis ward an the antihistamine, 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 someone had to be able to recognize 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that a drug that was designed to do one thing -- 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 treat tuberculosis or suppress allergies -- 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 could be used to do something very different -- 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 treat depression. 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And this sort of repurposing is actually quite challenging. 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When doctors first saw this mood-enhancing effect of Iproniazid, 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they didn't really recognize what they saw. 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They were so used to thinking about it 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from the framework of being a tuberculosis drug 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that they actually just listed it 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as a side effect, an adverse side effect. 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 As you can see here, a lot of these patients in 1954 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are experiencing severe euphoria. 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And they were worried that this might somehow interfere 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with their recovering from tuberculosis. 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So they recommended that Iproniazid 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 only be used in cases of extreme TB 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and in patients that were highly emotionally stable, 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is of course the exact opposite of how we use it as an anti-depressant. 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They were so used to looking at it from the perspective of this one disease, 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they could not see the larger implications 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for another disease. 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And to be fair, it's not entirely their fault. 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Functional fixedness is a bias that affects all of us. 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's a tendency to only be able to think 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of an object in terms of its traditional use or function. 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And mental set is another thing. Right? 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That's sort of this pre-conceived framework 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with which we approach problems. 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that actually make repurposing pretty hard for all of us, 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is I guess why they gave a TV show to the guy who was, 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like, really great at repurposing. 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Laughter) 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So the effects in both the case 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of Iproniazid and Imipramine, 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they were so strong, right, 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there was mania or people dancing in the halls. 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's actually not that surprising they were caught. 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But it does make you wonder 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 what else we've missed. 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So Iproniazid and Imipramine, 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they're more than just a case study in repurposing. 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They have two other things in common that are really important. 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 One, they have terrible side effects 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that includes liver toxicity, 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 weight gain of over 50 pounds, 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 suicidality. 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And two, they both increase levels of serotonin, 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is a chemical signal in the brain, 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or a neurotransmitter. 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And those two things together, right, one or the two 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 may not have been that important, 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but the two together meant 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that we had to develop 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 safer drugs, 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that serotonin 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 seemed like a pretty good place to start. 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we developed drugs 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to more specifically focus on serotonin, 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, so the SSRIs, 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the most famous of which is Prozac. 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that was 30 years ago, 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and since then we have mostly just worked on optimizing those drugs. 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And the SSRIs, they are better 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 than the drugs that came before them, 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but they still have a lot side effects, 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 including weight gain, insomnia, 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 suicidality, 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they take a really long time to work, 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 something like four to six weeks in a lot of patients. 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that's in the patients where they do work. 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There are a lot of patients where these drugs don't work. 145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that means now, in 2016, 146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we still have no cures 147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for any mood disorders, 148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 just drugs that suppress symptoms, 149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is kind of the difference between taking a painkiller for an infection 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 versus an antibiotic. 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Painkiller will make you feel better, 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but is not going to do anything to treat that underlying disease. 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And it was this flexibility, right, in our thinking 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that let us recognize that Iproniazid and Imipramine 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 could be repurposed in this way, 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which led us to the serotonin hypothesis, 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which we then, ironically, fixated on. 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This is brain signaling, serotonin 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from an SSRI commercial. 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In case you're not clear, this is a dramatization. 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And in science, we try and remove our bias, right, 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by running double-blinded experiments 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or being statistically agnostic as to what our results will be. 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But bias creeps in more insidiously 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in what we choose to study 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and how we choose to study it. 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we've focused on serotonin now 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for the past 30 years, 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 often to the exclusion of other things. 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We still have no cures, 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and what if serotonin 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 isn't all there is to depression? 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 What if it's not even the key part of it? 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That means no matter how much time 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or money or effort that we put into it, 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it will never lead to a cure. 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In the past few years, 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 doctors have discovered 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 probably what is the first truly new antidepressant since the SSRIs, 180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Calypsol, 181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and this drug works very quickly, 182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 within a few hours or a day, 183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it doesn't work on serotonin. 184 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It works on glutamate, 185 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is another neurotransmitter. 186 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And it's also repurposed. 187 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It was traditionally used as anesthesia in surgery. 188 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But unlike those other drugs, 189 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which were recognized pretty quickly, 190 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it took us 20 years 191 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to realize that Calypsol was an antidepressant, 192 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 despite the fact that it's actually a better antidepressant, 193 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 probably, than those other drugs. 194 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's actually probably because of the fact that it's a better antidepressant 195 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that it was harder for us to recognize. 196 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There was no mania to signal its effects. 197 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So in 2013, up at Columbia University, 198 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I was working with my colleague, 199 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Dr. ???, 200 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we were studying Calypsol as an antidepressant in mice. 201 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And Calypsol has, like, a really short half-life, 202 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which means it's out of your body within a few hours. 203 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we were just piloting. 204 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we would give an injection to mice, 205 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then we'd wait a week, 206 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then we'd run another experiment to save money. 207 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And one of the experiments I was running, 208 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we would stress the mice, 209 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we used that as a model of depression. 210 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And at first it kind of just looked like it didn't really work at all. 211 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we could have stopped there. 212 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But I have run this model of depression for years, 213 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the data just looked kind of weird. 214 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It didn't really look right to me. 215 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So I went back, 216 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we reanalyzed it 217 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 based on whether or not they had gotten 218 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that one injection of Calypsol 219 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a week beforehand. 220 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And it looked kind of like this. 221 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So if you look at the far left, 222 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if you put a mouse in a new space, 223 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 this is the box, it's very exciting, 224 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a mouse will walk around and explore, 225 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you can see that pink line is actually the measure of them walking. 226 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we also give it another mouse in a pencil cup 227 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that it can decide to interact with. 228 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This is also a dramatization, in case that's not clear. 229 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And a normal mouse will explore. 230 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It will be social. 231 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Check out what's going on. 232 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 If you stress a mouse 233 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in this depression model, 234 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is the middle box, 235 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they aren't social, they don't explore. 236 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They mostly just kind of hide in that back corner behind a cup. 237 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Yet the mice that had gotten that one injection of Calpysol 238 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 here on your right, 239 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they were exploring. They were social. 240 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They looked like they had never been stressed at all, 241 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is impossible. 242 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we could have just stopped there, 243 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but Christine had also used Calypsol before as anesthesia, 244 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and a few years ago she had seen that it seemed to have 245 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 some weird effects on cells and some other behavior 246 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that also seemed to last 247 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 long after the drug, maybe a few weeks. 248 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we were like, okay, 249 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 maybe this is not completely impossible, 250 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but we were really skeptical. 251 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we did what you do in science when you're not sure, 252 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we ran it again. 253 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I remember being in the animal room 254 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 moving mice from box to box 255 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to test them, 256 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and Christine was actually sitting on the floor with the computer in her lap 257 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so the mice couldn't see her, 258 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and she was analyzing the data in real time. 259 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I remember us yelling, 260 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which you're not supposed to do in an animal room where you're testing 261 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because it had worked. 262 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It seemed like these mice were protected against stress, 263 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or they were inappropriately happy, however you want to call it. 264 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we we really excited. 265 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And then we were really skeptical, 266 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because it was too good to be true. 267 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we ran it again. 268 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And then we ran it again in a PTSD model, 269 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we ran it again in a physiological model, 270 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 where all we did was give stress hormones. 271 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we had our undergrads run it. 272 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And then we had our collaborators halfway across the world in France run it. 273 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And every time someone ran it, they confirmed the same thing. 274 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It seemed like this one injection of Calypsol 275 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was somehow protecting against stress for weeks. 276 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we only published this a year ago, 277 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but since then other labs have independently confirmed this effect. 278 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we don't know what causes depression, 279 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but we do know that stress is the initial trigger in 80 percent of cases, 280 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and depression and PTSD are different diseases, 281 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but this is something they share in common. 282 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Right? It is traumatic stress 283 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like active combat or natural disasters 284 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or community violence or sexual assault 285 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that causes post-traumatic stress disorder, 286 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and not everyone that is exposed to stress 287 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 develops a mood disorder. 288 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And this ability to experience stress and be resilient 289 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and bounce back and not develop depression or PTSD 290 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is known as stress resilience, 291 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and in varies between people. 292 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we have always thought of it as just sort of this passive property. 293 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Right? It's the absence of susceptibility factors 294 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and risk factors for these disorders. 295 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But what if it were active? 296 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Maybe we could enhance it, 297 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sort of akin to putting on armor. 298 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We had accidentally discovered 299 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the first resilience-enhancing drug. 300 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And like I said, we only gave a tiny amount of the drug, 301 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it lasted for weeks, 302 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that's not like anything you see with antidepressants. 303 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But it is actually kind of similar to what you see in immune vaccines. 304 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So in immune vaccines, right, you'll get your shots, 305 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then weeks, months, years later 306 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when you're actually exposed to bacteria, 307 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's not the vaccine in your body that protects you. 308 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's your own immune system 309 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's developed resistance and resilience to this bacteria, that fights it off, 310 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you actually never get the infection, 311 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is very different from, say, our treatments. Right? 312 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In that case, you get the infection, you're exposed to the bacteria, 313 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're sick, and then you take, say, an antibiotic which cures it, 314 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and those drugs are actually working to kill the bacteria. 315 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Or similar to as I said before, right, with this palliatave, 316 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you'll take something that will suppress the symptoms, 317 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it won't treat the underlying infection, 318 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you'll only feel better 319 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 during the time in which you're taking it, 320 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is why you have to keep taking it. 321 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And in depression, right, and PTSD, 322 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 here we have your stress exposure, 323 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we only have palliative care. 324 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Antidepressants only suppress symptoms, 325 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that is why you basically have to keep taking them 326 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for the life of the disease, 327 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is often the length of your own life. 328 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we're calling our resilience enhancing drugs "paravaccines," 329 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which means vaccine-like, 330 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because it seems like they might have the potential 331 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to protect against stress 332 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and prevent mice from developing 333 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. 334 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Also, not all antidepressants are also paravaccines. 335 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We tried Prozac as well, 336 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that had no effect. 337 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So if this were to translate into humans, 338 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we might be able to protect people 339 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who are predictably at risk 340 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 against stress-induced disorders like depression and PTSD. 341 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So that's first responders and firefighters, 342 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 refugees, prisoners and prison guards, 343 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 soldiers, you name it. 344 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And to give you a sense 345 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of the scale of these diseases, 346 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in 2010, the global burden of disease 347 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 was estimated at 2.5 trillion dollars, 348 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and since they are chronic, 349 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that cost is compounding and is therefore expected to rise 350 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 up to six trillion dollars in just the next 15 years. 351 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 As I mentioned before, repurposing can be challenging 352 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because of our prior biases. 353 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Calypsol has another name, 354 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ketamine, 355 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which also goes by another name, 356 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Special K, 357 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is a club drug and drug of abuse. 358 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's still used across the world as an anesthetic. 359 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's used in children. We use it on the battlefield. 360 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's actually the drug of choice in a lot of developing nations 361 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because it doesn't affect breathing. 362 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It is on the World Health Organization list of most essential medicines. 363 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 If we had discovered Ketamine as a paravaccine first, 364 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it'd be pretty easy for us to develop it, 365 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but as is, we have to compete with our functional fixedness 366 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and mental set that kind of interfere. 367 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Fortunately, it's not the only compound we have discovered 368 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that has these prophylactic, paravaccine qualities, 369 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but all of the other drugs we've discovered, 370 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or compounds if you will, they're totally new, 371 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they have to go through the entire FDA approval process, 372 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 if they make it, 373 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 before they can ever be used in humans. 374 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that will be years. 375 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So if we want something sooner, 376 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ketamine is already FDA-approved. 377 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's generic, it's available. 378 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We could develop it for a fraction of the price and a fraction of the time. 379 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But actually, beyond functional fixedness 380 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and mental set, 381 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there's a real other challenge to repurposing drugs, 382 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which is policy. 383 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There are no incentives in place 384 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 once a drug is generic and off patent and no longer exclusive 385 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to encourage pharma companies to develop them, 386 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because they don't make money. 387 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that's not true for just Ketamine. 388 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That is true for all drugs. 389 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Regardless, the idea itself is completely novel in psychiatry, 390 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to use drugs to prevent mental illness 391 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as opposed to just treat it. 392 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It is possible 393 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that 20, 50, 100 years from now, 394 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we will look back now at depression and PTSD 395 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the way we look back at tuberculosis sanitariums 396 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as a thing of the past. 397 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This could be the beginning of the end of mental health epidemic. 398 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But as a great scientist once said, 399 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 only a fool is sure of anything. 400 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 A wise man keeps on guessing. 401 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Thank you guys. 402 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Applause)