1 00:00:01,060 --> 00:00:04,075 This is a tuberculosis ward, 2 00:00:04,100 --> 00:00:07,916 and at the time this picture was taken in the late 1800s, 3 00:00:07,939 --> 00:00:10,556 one in seven of all people 4 00:00:10,580 --> 00:00:12,340 died from tuberculosis. 5 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:15,540 We had no idea what was causing this disease. 6 00:00:16,140 --> 00:00:18,196 The hypothesis was actually 7 00:00:18,220 --> 00:00:21,476 it was your constitution that made you susceptible. 8 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:24,236 And it was a highly romanticized disease. 9 00:00:24,260 --> 00:00:27,076 It was also called consumption, 10 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:30,236 and it was the disorder of poets 11 00:00:30,260 --> 00:00:32,996 and artists and intellectuals. 12 00:00:33,020 --> 00:00:36,756 And some people actually thought it gave you heightened sensitivity 13 00:00:36,780 --> 00:00:38,980 and conferred creative genius. 14 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:42,836 By the 1950s, 15 00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:45,436 we instead knew that tuberculosis was caused 16 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:48,836 by a highly contagious bacterial infection, 17 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:51,036 which is slightly less romantic, 18 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:53,316 but that had the upside 19 00:00:53,340 --> 00:00:56,676 of us being able to maybe develop drugs to treat it. 20 00:00:56,700 --> 00:00:59,716 So doctors had discovered a new drug, iproniazid, 21 00:00:59,740 --> 00:01:03,116 that they were optimistic might cure tuberculosis, 22 00:01:03,140 --> 00:01:04,916 and they gave it to patients, 23 00:01:04,940 --> 00:01:06,716 and patients were elated. 24 00:01:06,740 --> 00:01:10,236 They were more social, more energetic. 25 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:14,860 One medical report actually says they were "dancing in the halls." 26 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:17,116 And unfortunately, 27 00:01:17,140 --> 00:01:19,860 this was not necessarily because they were getting better. 28 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:22,620 A lot of them were still dying. 29 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:30,260 Another medical report describes them as being "inappropriately happy." 30 00:01:31,220 --> 00:01:34,820 And that is how the first antidepressant was discovered. 31 00:01:35,980 --> 00:01:40,036 So accidental discovery is not uncommon in science, 32 00:01:40,060 --> 00:01:43,196 but it requires more than just a happy accident. 33 00:01:43,220 --> 00:01:46,660 You have to be able to recognize it for discovery to occur. 34 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:50,236 As a neuroscientist, I'm going to talk to you a little bit 35 00:01:50,260 --> 00:01:51,676 about my firsthand experience 36 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:54,916 with whatever you want to call the opposite of dumb luck -- 37 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:56,556 let's call it smart luck. 38 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:59,300 But first, a bit more background. 39 00:02:00,460 --> 00:02:03,116 Thankfully, since the 1950s, 40 00:02:03,140 --> 00:02:07,116 we've developed some other drugs and we can actually now cure tuberculosis. 41 00:02:07,140 --> 00:02:10,795 And at least in the United States, though not necessarily in other countries, 42 00:02:10,820 --> 00:02:12,316 we have closed our sanitoriums 43 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:16,020 and probably most of you are not too worried about TB. 44 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:19,556 But a lot of what was true in the early 1900s 45 00:02:19,580 --> 00:02:21,436 about infectious disease, 46 00:02:21,460 --> 00:02:24,100 we can say now about psychiatric disorders. 47 00:02:24,820 --> 00:02:27,836 We are in the middle of an epidemic of mood disorders 48 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:31,620 like depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD. 49 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:36,156 One in four of all adults in the United States 50 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:37,660 suffers from mental illness, 51 00:02:38,180 --> 00:02:41,316 which means that if you haven't experienced it personally 52 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:43,636 or someone in your family hasn't, 53 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:46,916 it's still very likely that someone you know has, 54 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:48,580 though they may not talk about it. 55 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:53,516 Depression has actually now surpassed 56 00:02:53,540 --> 00:02:58,396 HIV/AIDS, malaria, diabetes and war 57 00:02:58,420 --> 00:03:01,676 as the leading cause of disability worldwide. 58 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:05,316 And also, like tuberculosis in the 1950s, 59 00:03:05,340 --> 00:03:07,396 we don't know what causes it. 60 00:03:07,420 --> 00:03:09,356 Once it's developed, it's chronic, 61 00:03:09,380 --> 00:03:10,876 lasts a lifetime, 62 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:13,220 and there are no known cures. 63 00:03:14,660 --> 00:03:16,876 The second antidepressant we discovered, 64 00:03:16,900 --> 00:03:19,356 also by accident, in the 1950s, 65 00:03:19,380 --> 00:03:22,580 from an antihistamine that was making people manic, 66 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:25,060 imipramine. 67 00:03:26,220 --> 00:03:29,876 And in both the case of the tuberculosis ward and the antihistamine, 68 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:31,596 someone had to be able to recognize 69 00:03:31,620 --> 00:03:34,036 that a drug that was designed to do one thing -- 70 00:03:34,060 --> 00:03:36,636 treat tuberculosis or suppress allergies -- 71 00:03:36,660 --> 00:03:39,396 could be used to do something very different -- 72 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:40,620 treat depression. 73 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:44,396 And this sort of repurposing is actually quite challenging. 74 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:48,356 When doctors first saw this mood-enhancing effect of iproniazid, 75 00:03:48,380 --> 00:03:50,836 they didn't really recognize what they saw. 76 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:52,716 They were so used to thinking about it 77 00:03:52,740 --> 00:03:55,516 from the framework of being a tuberculosis drug 78 00:03:55,540 --> 00:03:57,596 that they actually just listed it 79 00:03:57,620 --> 00:04:00,396 as a side effect, an adverse side effect. 80 00:04:00,420 --> 00:04:01,571 As you can see here, 81 00:04:01,596 --> 00:04:05,620 a lot of these patients in 1954 are experiencing severe euphoria. 82 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:10,516 And they were worried that this might somehow interfere 83 00:04:10,540 --> 00:04:13,396 with their recovering from tuberculosis. 84 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:19,676 So they recommended that iproniazid only be used in cases of extreme TB 85 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:23,380 and in patients that were highly emotionally stable, 86 00:04:24,220 --> 00:04:28,116 which is of course the exact opposite of how we use it as an antidepressant. 87 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:32,596 They were so used to looking at it from the perspective of this one disease, 88 00:04:32,620 --> 00:04:36,540 they could not see the larger implications for another disease. 89 00:04:37,380 --> 00:04:40,076 And to be fair, it's not entirely their fault. 90 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:42,876 Functional fixedness is a bias that affects all of us. 91 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,356 It's a tendency to only be able to think of an object 92 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:48,980 in terms of its traditional use or function. 93 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:51,636 And mental set is another thing. Right? 94 00:04:51,660 --> 00:04:53,676 That's sort of this preconceived framework 95 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:55,476 with which we approach problems. 96 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:58,756 And that actually makes repurposing pretty hard for all of us, 97 00:04:58,780 --> 00:05:02,316 which is, I guess, why they gave a TV show to the guy who was, 98 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:04,140 like, really great at repurposing. 99 00:05:04,660 --> 00:05:06,540 (Laughter) 100 00:05:07,180 --> 00:05:11,516 So the effects in both the case of iproniazid and imipramine, 101 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:12,916 they were so strong -- 102 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:15,156 there was mania, or people dancing in the halls. 103 00:05:15,180 --> 00:05:18,316 It's actually not that surprising they were caught. 104 00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:21,820 But it does make you wonder what else we've missed. 105 00:05:23,020 --> 00:05:25,196 So iproniazid and imipramine, 106 00:05:25,220 --> 00:05:27,636 they're more than just a case study in repurposing. 107 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:30,636 They have two other things in common that are really important. 108 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:33,156 One, they have terrible side effects. 109 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:35,796 That includes liver toxicity, 110 00:05:35,820 --> 00:05:38,796 weight gain of over 50 pounds, 111 00:05:38,820 --> 00:05:40,596 suicidality. 112 00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:44,796 And two, they both increase levels of serotonin, 113 00:05:44,820 --> 00:05:47,156 which is a chemical signal in the brain, 114 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:48,380 or a neurotransmitter. 115 00:05:49,380 --> 00:05:51,876 And those two things together, right, one or the two, 116 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:53,516 may not have been that important, 117 00:05:53,540 --> 00:05:57,276 but the two together meant that we had to develop safer drugs, 118 00:05:57,300 --> 00:06:00,820 and that serotonin seemed like a pretty good place to start. 119 00:06:01,660 --> 00:06:05,556 So we developed drugs to more specifically focus on serotonin, 120 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:09,236 the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, so the SSRIs, 121 00:06:09,260 --> 00:06:11,996 the most famous of which is Prozac. 122 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:13,996 And that was 30 years ago, 123 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:17,220 and since then we have mostly just worked on optimizing those drugs. 124 00:06:17,740 --> 00:06:20,956 And the SSRIs, they are better than the drugs that came before them, 125 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:23,076 but they still have a lot of side effects, 126 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:25,996 including weight gain, insomnia, 127 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:27,220 suicidality -- 128 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:30,436 and they take a really long time to work, 129 00:06:30,460 --> 00:06:32,996 something like four to six weeks in a lot of patients. 130 00:06:33,020 --> 00:06:35,196 And that's in the patients where they do work. 131 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:38,076 There are a lot of patients where these drugs don't work. 132 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:41,476 And that means now, in 2016, 133 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:45,316 we still have no cures for any mood disorders, 134 00:06:45,340 --> 00:06:47,396 just drugs that suppress symptoms, 135 00:06:47,420 --> 00:06:51,476 which is kind of the difference between taking a painkiller for an infection 136 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:52,916 versus an antibiotic. 137 00:06:52,940 --> 00:06:54,796 A painkiller will make you feel better, 138 00:06:54,820 --> 00:06:57,900 but is not going to do anything to treat that underlying disease. 139 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:01,036 And it was this flexibility in our thinking 140 00:07:01,060 --> 00:07:03,996 that let us recognize that iproniazid and imipramine 141 00:07:04,020 --> 00:07:06,116 could be repurposed in this way, 142 00:07:06,140 --> 00:07:08,116 which led us to the serotonin hypothesis, 143 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:11,140 which we then, ironically, fixated on. 144 00:07:11,980 --> 00:07:14,516 This is brain signaling, serotonin, 145 00:07:14,540 --> 00:07:15,796 from an SSRI commercial. 146 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:18,180 In case you're not clear, this is a dramatization. 147 00:07:18,660 --> 00:07:22,716 And in science, we try and remove our bias, right, 148 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:25,116 by running double-blinded experiments 149 00:07:25,140 --> 00:07:28,836 or being statistically agnostic as to what our results will be. 150 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:33,156 But bias creeps in more insidiously in what we choose to study 151 00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:34,900 and how we choose to study it. 152 00:07:36,260 --> 00:07:39,836 So we've focused on serotonin now for the past 30 years, 153 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:42,100 often to the exclusion of other things. 154 00:07:42,860 --> 00:07:44,220 We still have no cures, 155 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:48,596 and what if serotonin isn't all there is to depression? 156 00:07:48,620 --> 00:07:50,676 What if it's not even the key part of it? 157 00:07:50,700 --> 00:07:52,876 That means no matter how much time 158 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:55,636 or money or effort we put into it, 159 00:07:55,660 --> 00:07:57,580 it will never lead to a cure. 160 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:01,076 In the past few years, doctors have discovered 161 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:06,020 probably what is the first truly new antidepressant since the SSRIs, 162 00:08:06,540 --> 00:08:07,836 Calypsol, 163 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:11,316 and this drug works very quickly, within a few hours or a day, 164 00:08:11,340 --> 00:08:13,236 and it doesn't work on serotonin. 165 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:15,940 It works on glutamate, which is another neurotransmitter. 166 00:08:16,380 --> 00:08:17,876 And it's also repurposed. 167 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:20,980 It was traditionally used as anesthesia in surgery. 168 00:08:21,540 --> 00:08:23,196 But unlike those other drugs, 169 00:08:23,220 --> 00:08:25,036 which were recognized pretty quickly, 170 00:08:25,060 --> 00:08:26,756 it took us 20 years 171 00:08:26,780 --> 00:08:29,436 to realize that Calypsol was an antidepressant, 172 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:32,316 despite the fact that it's actually a better antidepressant, 173 00:08:32,340 --> 00:08:33,956 probably, than those other drugs. 174 00:08:33,980 --> 00:08:38,076 It's actually probably because of the fact that it's a better antidepressant 175 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:39,995 that it was harder for us to recognize. 176 00:08:40,019 --> 00:08:42,100 There was no mania to signal its effects. 177 00:08:42,580 --> 00:08:45,676 So in 2013, up at Columbia University, 178 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:47,276 I was working with my colleague, 179 00:08:47,300 --> 00:08:49,276 Dr. Christine Ann Denny, 180 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:53,100 and we were studying Calypsol as an antidepressant in mice. 181 00:08:53,660 --> 00:08:56,476 And Calypsol has, like, a really short half-life, 182 00:08:56,500 --> 00:08:59,556 which means it's out of your body within a few hours. 183 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:00,996 And we were just piloting. 184 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:03,276 So we would give an injection to mice, 185 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:04,596 and then we'd wait a week, 186 00:09:04,620 --> 00:09:07,300 and then we'd run another experiment to save money. 187 00:09:08,020 --> 00:09:10,156 And one of the experiments I was running, 188 00:09:10,180 --> 00:09:11,836 we would stress the mice, 189 00:09:11,860 --> 00:09:14,076 and we used that as a model of depression. 190 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:17,436 And at first it kind of just looked like it didn't really work at all. 191 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:18,980 So we could have stopped there. 192 00:09:19,540 --> 00:09:22,436 But I have run this model of depression for years, 193 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:24,356 and the data just looked kind of weird. 194 00:09:24,380 --> 00:09:26,236 It didn't really look right to me. 195 00:09:26,260 --> 00:09:27,476 So I went back, 196 00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:28,996 and we reanalyzed it 197 00:09:29,020 --> 00:09:32,836 based on whether or not they had gotten that one injection of Calypsol 198 00:09:32,860 --> 00:09:34,060 a week beforehand. 199 00:09:34,940 --> 00:09:36,956 And it looked kind of like this. 200 00:09:36,980 --> 00:09:39,116 So if you look at the far left, 201 00:09:39,140 --> 00:09:41,636 if you put a mouse in a new space, 202 00:09:41,660 --> 00:09:43,916 this is the box, it's very exciting, 203 00:09:43,940 --> 00:09:46,076 a mouse will walk around and explore, 204 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:50,396 and you can see that pink line is actually the measure of them walking. 205 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:53,596 And we also give it another mouse in a pencil cup 206 00:09:53,620 --> 00:09:55,676 that it can decide to interact with. 207 00:09:55,700 --> 00:09:58,916 This is also a dramatization, in case that's not clear. 208 00:09:58,940 --> 00:10:02,636 And a normal mouse will explore. 209 00:10:02,660 --> 00:10:03,900 It will be social. 210 00:10:04,620 --> 00:10:05,996 Check out what's going on. 211 00:10:06,020 --> 00:10:08,916 If you stress a mouse in this depression model, 212 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:10,220 which is the middle box, 213 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:12,996 they aren't social, they don't explore. 214 00:10:13,020 --> 00:10:16,300 They mostly just kind of hide in that back corner, behind a cup. 215 00:10:17,020 --> 00:10:20,116 Yet the mice that had gotten that one injection of Calypsol, 216 00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:21,340 here on your right, 217 00:10:22,060 --> 00:10:24,020 they were exploring, they were social. 218 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:27,220 They looked like they had never been stressed at all, 219 00:10:28,020 --> 00:10:29,220 which is impossible. 220 00:10:30,260 --> 00:10:31,980 So we could have just stopped there, 221 00:10:32,780 --> 00:10:37,076 but Christine had also used Calypsol before as anesthesia, 222 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:38,676 and a few years ago she had seen 223 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:41,076 that it seemed to have some weird effects on cells 224 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:42,316 and some other behavior 225 00:10:42,340 --> 00:10:45,356 that also seemed to last long after the drug, 226 00:10:45,380 --> 00:10:46,636 maybe a few weeks. 227 00:10:46,660 --> 00:10:47,916 So we were like, OK, 228 00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:50,116 maybe this is not completely impossible, 229 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:51,636 but we were really skeptical. 230 00:10:51,660 --> 00:10:54,196 So we did what you do in science when you're not sure, 231 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:55,420 and we ran it again. 232 00:10:56,460 --> 00:10:59,476 And I remember being in the animal room, 233 00:10:59,500 --> 00:11:03,156 moving mice from box to box to test them, 234 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:06,796 and Christine was actually sitting on the floor with the computer in her lap 235 00:11:06,820 --> 00:11:08,236 so the mice couldn't see her, 236 00:11:08,260 --> 00:11:10,516 and she was analyzing the data in real time. 237 00:11:10,540 --> 00:11:11,916 And I remember us yelling, 238 00:11:11,940 --> 00:11:15,236 which you're not supposed to do in an animal room where you're testing, 239 00:11:15,260 --> 00:11:16,836 because it had worked. 240 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:21,236 It seemed like these mice were protected against stress, 241 00:11:21,260 --> 00:11:24,316 or they were inappropriately happy, however you want to call it. 242 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:26,780 And we were really excited. 243 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:31,300 And then we were really skeptical, because it was too good to be true. 244 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:33,060 So we ran it again. 245 00:11:33,740 --> 00:11:36,476 And then we ran it again in a PTSD model, 246 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:38,916 and we ran it again in a physiological model, 247 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:41,156 where all we did was give stress hormones. 248 00:11:41,180 --> 00:11:42,796 And we had our undergrads run it. 249 00:11:42,820 --> 00:11:46,940 And then we had our collaborators halfway across the world in France run it. 250 00:11:47,780 --> 00:11:50,996 And every time someone ran it, they confirmed the same thing. 251 00:11:51,020 --> 00:11:53,836 It seemed like this one injection of Calypsol 252 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:56,620 was somehow protecting against stress for weeks. 253 00:11:57,180 --> 00:11:59,036 And we only published this a year ago, 254 00:11:59,060 --> 00:12:03,140 but since then other labs have independently confirmed this effect. 255 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:05,860 So we don't know what causes depression, 256 00:12:06,460 --> 00:12:10,156 but we do know that stress is the initial trigger 257 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:12,516 in 80 percent of cases, 258 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:14,756 and depression and PTSD are different diseases, 259 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:16,796 but this is something they share in common. 260 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:18,636 Right? It is traumatic stress 261 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:21,556 like active combat or natural disasters 262 00:12:21,580 --> 00:12:24,036 or community violence or sexual assault 263 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:26,340 that causes post-traumatic stress disorder, 264 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:32,596 and not everyone that is exposed to stress develops a mood disorder. 265 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:35,516 And this ability to experience stress and be resilient 266 00:12:35,540 --> 00:12:39,700 and bounce back and not develop depression or PTSD 267 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:42,756 is known as stress resilience, 268 00:12:42,780 --> 00:12:44,636 and it varies between people. 269 00:12:44,660 --> 00:12:47,996 And we have always thought of it as just sort of this passive property. 270 00:12:48,020 --> 00:12:50,556 It's the absence of susceptibility factors 271 00:12:50,580 --> 00:12:52,660 and risk factors for these disorders. 272 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:55,500 But what if it were active? 273 00:12:56,420 --> 00:12:57,916 Maybe we could enhance it, 274 00:12:57,940 --> 00:13:00,100 sort of akin to putting on armor. 275 00:13:01,220 --> 00:13:05,820 We had accidentally discovered the first resilience-enhancing drug. 276 00:13:06,740 --> 00:13:09,516 And like I said, we only gave a tiny amount of the drug, 277 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:11,116 and it lasted for weeks, 278 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:14,356 and that's not like anything you see with antidepressants. 279 00:13:14,380 --> 00:13:18,700 But it is actually kind of similar to what you see in immune vaccines. 280 00:13:19,180 --> 00:13:22,116 So in immune vaccines, you'll get your shots, 281 00:13:22,140 --> 00:13:25,516 and then weeks, months, years later, 282 00:13:25,540 --> 00:13:27,876 when you're actually exposed to bacteria, 283 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:30,356 it's not the vaccine in your body that protects you. 284 00:13:30,380 --> 00:13:31,756 It's your own immune system 285 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:35,916 that's developed resistance and resilience to this bacteria that fights it off, 286 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:38,076 and you actually never get the infection, 287 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:41,156 which is very different from, say, our treatments. Right? 288 00:13:41,180 --> 00:13:44,996 In that case, you get the infection, you're exposed to the bacteria, 289 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:48,876 you're sick, and then you take, say, an antibiotic which cures it, 290 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:52,140 and those drugs are actually working to kill the bacteria. 291 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:55,276 Or similar to as I said before, with this palliative, 292 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:58,156 you'll take something that will suppress the symptoms, 293 00:13:58,180 --> 00:14:00,876 but it won't treat the underlying infection, 294 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,236 and you'll only feel better during the time in which you're taking it, 295 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:06,196 which is why you have to keep taking it. 296 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:08,916 And in depression and PTSD -- 297 00:14:08,940 --> 00:14:10,916 here we have your stress exposure -- 298 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:13,556 we only have palliative care. 299 00:14:13,580 --> 00:14:16,076 Antidepressants only suppress symptoms, 300 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:18,956 and that is why you basically have to keep taking them 301 00:14:18,980 --> 00:14:20,676 for the life of the disease, 302 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:22,900 which is often the length of your own life. 303 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:28,156 So we're calling our resilience-enhancing drugs "paravaccines," 304 00:14:28,180 --> 00:14:29,716 which means vaccine-like, 305 00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:32,236 because it seems like they might have the potential 306 00:14:32,260 --> 00:14:34,076 to protect against stress 307 00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:37,516 and prevent mice from developing 308 00:14:37,540 --> 00:14:40,300 depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. 309 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:44,220 Also, not all antidepressants are also paravaccines. 310 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:46,916 We tried Prozac as well, 311 00:14:46,940 --> 00:14:48,300 and that had no effect. 312 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:52,076 So if this were to translate into humans, 313 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,676 we might be able to protect people 314 00:14:54,700 --> 00:14:56,956 who are predictably at risk 315 00:14:56,980 --> 00:15:00,836 against stress-induced disorders like depression and PTSD. 316 00:15:00,860 --> 00:15:03,996 So that's first responders and firefighters, 317 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:08,156 refugees, prisoners and prison guards, 318 00:15:08,180 --> 00:15:10,260 soldiers, you name it. 319 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:15,020 And to give you a sense of the scale of these diseases, 320 00:15:15,620 --> 00:15:18,676 in 2010, the global burden of disease 321 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:22,540 was estimated at 2.5 trillion dollars, 322 00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:24,596 and since they are chronic, 323 00:15:24,620 --> 00:15:27,836 that cost is compounding and is therefore expected to rise 324 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:31,100 up to six trillion dollars in just the next 15 years. 325 00:15:32,460 --> 00:15:34,039 As I mentioned before, 326 00:15:34,064 --> 00:15:38,140 repurposing can be challenging because of our prior biases. 327 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:40,380 Calypsol has another name, 328 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:42,300 ketamine, 329 00:15:43,380 --> 00:15:44,940 which also goes by another name, 330 00:15:45,460 --> 00:15:46,876 Special K, 331 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:49,300 which is a club drug and drug of abuse. 332 00:15:50,540 --> 00:15:53,636 It's still used across the world as an anesthetic. 333 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:56,516 It's used in children. We use it on the battlefield. 334 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:59,516 It's actually the drug of choice in a lot of developing nations, 335 00:15:59,540 --> 00:16:01,396 because it doesn't affect breathing. 336 00:16:01,420 --> 00:16:06,100 It is on the World Health Organization list of most essential medicines. 337 00:16:06,580 --> 00:16:10,140 If we had discovered ketamine as a paravaccine first, 338 00:16:10,820 --> 00:16:13,676 it'd be pretty easy for us to develop it, 339 00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:17,556 but as is, we have to compete with our functional fixedness 340 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:20,380 and mental set that kind of interfere. 341 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:25,556 Fortunately, it's not the only compound we have discovered 342 00:16:25,580 --> 00:16:29,020 that has these prophylactic, paravaccine qualities, 343 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:31,900 but all of the other drugs we've discovered, 344 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:34,956 or compounds if you will, they're totally new, 345 00:16:34,980 --> 00:16:38,596 they have to go through the entire FDA approval process -- 346 00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:42,196 if they make it before they can ever be used in humans. 347 00:16:42,220 --> 00:16:43,876 And that will be years. 348 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:46,156 So if we wanted something sooner, 349 00:16:46,180 --> 00:16:48,556 ketamine is already FDA-approved. 350 00:16:48,580 --> 00:16:51,276 It's generic, it's available. 351 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:55,460 We could develop it for a fraction of the price and a fraction of the time. 352 00:16:56,380 --> 00:17:00,756 But actually, beyond functional fixedness and mental set, 353 00:17:00,780 --> 00:17:04,356 there's a real other challenge to repurposing drugs, 354 00:17:04,380 --> 00:17:05,579 which is policy. 355 00:17:06,179 --> 00:17:08,395 There are no incentives in place 356 00:17:08,419 --> 00:17:12,155 once a drug is generic and off patent and no longer exclusive 357 00:17:12,179 --> 00:17:14,516 to encourage pharma companies to develop them, 358 00:17:14,540 --> 00:17:15,969 because they don't make money. 359 00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:19,500 And that's not true for just ketamine. That is true for all drugs. 360 00:17:20,579 --> 00:17:26,236 Regardless, the idea itself is completely novel in psychiatry, 361 00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:30,156 to use drugs to prevent mental illness 362 00:17:30,180 --> 00:17:31,540 as opposed to just treat it. 363 00:17:32,740 --> 00:17:37,796 It is possible that 20, 50, 100 years from now, 364 00:17:37,820 --> 00:17:41,916 we will look back now at depression and PTSD 365 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:45,156 the way we look back at tuberculosis sanitoriums 366 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:46,380 as a thing of the past. 367 00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:52,420 This could be the beginning of the end of the mental health epidemic. 368 00:17:53,380 --> 00:17:56,580 But as a great scientist once said, 369 00:17:57,900 --> 00:18:00,156 "Only a fool is sure of anything. 370 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:02,220 A wise man keeps on guessing." 371 00:18:04,044 --> 00:18:05,284 Thank you, guys. 372 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:09,846 (Applause)