WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.000 Please welcome my guests with love, 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:05.000 Steve Drain and Timothy Phelps of the 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Wesboro Baptist Church; it's a type of religion. 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:09.000 [boos from crowd] 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:10.000 Don't be mean. Don't be mean. 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:11.000 Which one are you, mate? 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:12.000 I'm Steve. 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Steve, sit down bruv. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Which one are you? 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:14.000 Timothy. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:15.000 Hello, Timothy. 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:16.000 Sit down in comfort. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:20.000 I want to bring you a sign, first of all. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:21.000 This says "Fag Pimp Brand". 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.000 Absolutely, absolutely. 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:24.000 Make yourself comfy, mate. 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:31.000 Now this of course is clearly offensive as an object. 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:34.000 "Fag pimp Brand". And I'm depicted here. 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:35.000 That's not a very flattering photograph. 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:37.000 It's the face you made. You made the face. 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.000 I made the face, I pays the price. 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.000 Fair enough, that's true. 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:43.000 And it says here that I'm a fag pimp. 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:44.000 Yep. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.000 I'm English of course so being a fag pimp just means 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.000 Cigarette? 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:56.000 But in the world of vitriolic hate speech 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:57.000 fag means? 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.000 Homosexual. It means you're an advocate for sin, 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.000 and a very loud one at that. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.000 [cheering] 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.000 Thank you, I appreciate your vocal respect but 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.000 these people are to explain something to me and 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.000 it does take courage and bravery to come in front of 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:11.000 a room full of people you think almost certainly 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.000 ain't gonnna agree with you so let's hear what 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.000 they have to say because I'm actually very interested. 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.000 Fag pimp Brand. Ok, we're keeping this. 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:22.000 You make your living making a mockery of sin. 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:25.000 In fact, since you promote sin, you hate all these kind 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.000 people in your heart. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:28.000 Oooh, I don't. I love them. 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.000 That's why he applauds your sin. Because he hates you all. 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.000 I don't applaud any sins what's hurting people or yourselves. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.000 You encourage them and then they burn in hell for 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.000 all eternity, so that's not very loving. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.000 When the Lord Jesus Christ said to love your neighbour as yourself 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.000 you love your neighbour as yourself by warning them when their 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:46.000 sin is taking them to hell. 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:48.000 And as a matter of fact, if you fail to warn your 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.000 neighbour, you hate your neighbour in your heart. 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.000 So, by a bible standard, we love you all, 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.000 and I know you can't believe that from your goofy 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.000 hallmark standard, but from a bible standard we love you. 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.000 And from a bible standard, he hates you. 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:04.000 And you probably hate each other. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.000 Bloody hell! 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.000 It's like a really tricky quiz of hate. 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:14.000 Steve, Tim, do you mind if I do the, I mean I got some questions 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.000 here because it'll help us for our interview. 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.000 Why did you come here? 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:22.000 It's our duty. 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:23.000 For your mission? 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:27.000 It's our duty... To warn these people to stop sinning. 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.000 The bible says this: "Cry aloud, stare not, lift up thy 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:34.000 voice like a trumpet and show the people their transgressions." 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.000 How do you show people their transgressions without 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.000 making it crystal clear what their sin is? 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.000 God hates fags. 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.000 Dude, I know it's not popular, but we're not making 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.000 this stuff up. It's right in the bible. 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.000 Look there's three... And those that practice all those acts. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.000 Look, first of all, first of all we're not talking... 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.000 Hey, you lot. One at a time you will all get a chance 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:57.000 to speak. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:58.000 In hell! 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:04.000 [laughter] 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.000 We're not talking about a base human passion 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.000 like you or I might feel, like you or I might hate each 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.000 other, it's simply... 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:13.000 Just so you know, I love you. 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.000 I know, I love you too. It's simply God's fixed 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.000 determination to punish the wicked in hell for their sins. 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.000 Because he can. Because he's God. Because he's sovereign. 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.000 Because he can. That's crazy. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:25.000 Exactly. 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:30.000 Ok, so it's simply God condemning what is objectively 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.000 and indefatigably wrong. That's what it is? 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:35.000 I got you man, I understand that. 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.000 Well put, well put other than the accent. Very well put. 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.000 This is how this language is supposed to be spoken, 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:41.000 cheeky. 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.000 Look, we just preach the bible. We're not 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.000 making this stuff up. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.000 That's their catchphrase, I like it. 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:48.000 The uk... 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.000 Westboro Baptist Church: We're not making this stuff up. 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:56.000 This is to be found also in Corinthians. 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.000 Verse four. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:01.000 What's your next question? 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.000 I just feel from what I've read of Jesus, and of what I've 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.000 had explained to me, that his main message was 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:10.000 definitely tolerance and love and truth and beauty 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.000 and acceptance. 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:18.000 Hold on. Except that you don't get to define the love of God. 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:20.000 Nor do you though! 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.000 Hold on! Hold on! 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.000 We do that! The bible does! 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.000 We got this thing. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.000 The bible does, and here's a couple things that he said. 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.000 First of all, he says that here's my love that you keep 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.000 my commandments and my commandments are not grevious. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:35.000 And second of all, he said he that sayeth... 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.000 Look mate, you're good at the scripture and verse, but I gotta say this to ya. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:42.000 Have you considered that the bible, like all religious doctrine, 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:46.000 may be allegorical and symbolic to direct us towards 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:50.000 one holy entity of love as opposed to a specific 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.000 litigiousness text to direct the behaviour of human beings. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.000 The bible wasn't literally written by a cosmic entity, 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.000 it was written by people. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.000 It was written by the Holy Spirit. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.000 They were moved by the Holy Ghost. 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.000 The Holy Spirit ain't got a pen! 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:08.000 Sure he does. It was written by human beings. 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:09.000 You're just making a mock of sin. 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:10.000 I'm not mate. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.000 God works in you. You don't have any stinking power 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.000 of your own, Russell. Get over yourself. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.000 I agree with you, I agree with that also. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.000 You don't have any power. If God doesn't move in 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.000 you to do a thing, then you don't do it. 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:22.000 I agree with the basics, but it's just where it goes 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.000 into sex stuff, because I just think it's such a low 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.000 priority when there's so many important things happening. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.000 Like don't you think, and this is a genuine question, 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.000 what do you think God thinks of the ecological 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 disaster and the growing power of corperations. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.000 Don't you think he is worried about that more than 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.000 the bumming? 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.000 Now it's time for the Westboro Baptist Church 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.000 Heaven or Hell? game. Tell me whether these people 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.000 are going to Heaven or Hell. 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:49.000 1. Madonna 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:50.000 Hell. 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:51.000 Ahhh! 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:52.000 Tom Hanks. 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:53.000 Definitely Tom Hanks. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:54.000 What for? 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:59.000 C'mon. He lives for himself for God's sake. 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.000 Tom Hanks, you've been very selfish. 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.000 Besides that, besides that, look. Anybody 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.000 who has a considerable platform, like you do, like 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.000 Tom Hanks has, and you don't give God the glory, you don't give 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.000 your maker the glory for making you and giving you that position... 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:15.000 I do! I do! 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.000 No you don't. This is definitely due to a powerful cosmic entity 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.000 that creates all energy and wants us all to be 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.000 unified in love. If I didn't make that clear I'm sorry. 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.000 What you do is you... 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.000 Look, there's good old bloody Krishna here, 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.000 dancing on the head of evil, to acknowledge that 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.000 everything belongs to God. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:33.000 It's an idol. It's an idol. You're fashioning... 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:34.000 Right, that's going to Hell. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:38.000 You're fashioning a conception of God out of your own dark heart. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.000 Tom Hanks, Hell for you. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:41.000 Ghandi? 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:41.000 Hell. 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.000 Aaahh! 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.000 He was trying his hardest! 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.000 Hey, I got the answer. 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.000 Wait! This is why Ghandi's going to hell. Shut up. 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:55.000 Listen, Billy Gram, ok, got rich off of this saying: 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.000 "God loves the sinner hates the sin". Gandhi's the 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.000 one who coined that phrase, Billy Gram said "I'm 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:03.000 gonna make some money off that." 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.000 Gandhi put out that lie well before Billy Gram, and it 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:07.000 is a lie. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:08.000 So Gandhi goes to Hell. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.000 Sure. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.000 I wanna watch that movie. 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:12.000 Maybe more-so than Madonna. 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:14.000 Maybe more than Madonna? 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Imagine Gandhi in a pointy bra, in Hell. 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.000 What about these two. Firstly their not as big as 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.000 everyone else. 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.000 I dunno. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:25.000 I dunno. One's black one's white. Hell! 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.000 No, god, no. 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:28.000 Hey, you know what? 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.000 Well if f***ing Gandhi's going down! 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.000 None of us are safe! No no, hold on. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.000 We'll have a quick commercial break now, see you in a moment. 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:41.000 Up next, Rus has a surprise for the Westbro Baptists. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.000 And now we have here some what I can only describe as 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.000 homosexuals. Their my mates, I brought them here. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.000 Let's meet them now. Some gays. 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:57.000 This is Chere, Carlos, Sisi. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Right. 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.000 Before we start the interview, if anyone's attracted 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.000 to these three men, er, give me a call. 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.000 Russell Brand: Fag Pimp. 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.000 I can do you a very good price on Sisi. 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.000 Ok, right, so. 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.000 I need Jose to come and help me. Jose does sound 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.000 and drives me here. Jose, please welcome. 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.000 Before we start, you're not gay are you? 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.000 No. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.000 You've got the job. Stand there so you don't seem 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.000 like you're behind the fellas because it'll unsettle 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.000 them. The last thing they want is three gay men behind them. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.000 Now what is it? You're gay, Sisi? 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.000 Openly gay. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:43.000 No he's not. 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.000 And a Christian. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:45.000 You're a filthy pervert. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.000 I'm an openly gay man and I'm a Christian because 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:51.000 God is love and his love is for everybody, not 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:54.000 just for you two. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:57.000 Unless you repent for that sin you're going to go t hell. 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:01.000 Look, thou shall not lie with mankind as with 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:05.000 womankind, it is an abomination. That's in the bible. 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:06.000 that you say you believe. 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:07.000 I don't think that's one of the most important bits. 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.000 There's no...Hey listen! There's not going to be any 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.000 creation going on when two men get together, I 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.000 can tell you that right now. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.000 Steve, what worries me, to follow the you mustn't lay with men bit 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.000 you've got to ignore the tolerance and love bit. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.000 And that's got to be more important. That's like 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.000 as sub-clause. That's like smallprint. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.000 No it's not. No it's not. 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:26.000 I don't even think they meant that bit. 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.000 People in Sodom thought it was OK to be gay. 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.000 Tim, Tim. Give us a second because we're trying to 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.000 construct a telly program. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:36.000 You guys have to be civil. We're gonna respect you 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.000 so you respect us, OK? 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.000 You're a sodomising hypocrite. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.000 No, don't do that, no no. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.000 Ah ah ah, no touching. 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.000 All right, don't be so cross. 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.000 You tell them. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.000 Stop upsetting my mates. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.000 They're trying their best to be homophobic over here. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:00.000 Imagine, like, if they're right and we all get to Heaven and God's like 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.000 "You f***ing idiots." 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.000 Oh no! They told us! And that's what's going to happen 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:08.000 That's gonnna happen. 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.000 Listen, OK, I think I feel like 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:14.000 I think you're nice people and I really like your passion and everything, 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.000 but I just feel our first duty as human being must be to 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.000 be loving and tolerant of one another, and I think 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.000 we're facing so much crisis and difficulty at this time in our planet 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.000 that we can't focus on people's private issues. 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:25.000 We love you enough to tell you what God's standard 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.000 is, that's the... 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:29.000 I love you too. I love you too. 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.000 That's the definition of loving your neighbour. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:35.000 If you love me so much will you kiss me on the mouth? 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.000 Ladies and gentlemen, the Westboro Baptist Church and some lovely gay lads together. 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:43.000 Give me a cuddle. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:44.000 Give me a cuddle. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.000 No no no. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.000 What about you? 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.000 Just a pat like this.