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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.60,0:00:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Manson's sentence was committed to life in prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.64,0:00:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now there's a book “Manson in His Own Words”
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.34,0:00:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as told to Nuel Emmons.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.54,0:00:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Emmons is an ex-con who first met Manson
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.84,0:00:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while serving a short term in prison for car theft and,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.11,0:00:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,true to the unwritten code of the underworld,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.82,0:00:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Manson cooperated on the book
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.45,0:00:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he owed Emmons a favor.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.42,0:00:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today correspondent Heidi Schulman went
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.56,0:00:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk with Manson to find out,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.36,0:00:27.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after all these years, is there any remorse?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.23,0:00:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is he sorry?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.30,0:00:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does he feel guilty?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.50,0:00:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well then we here on The Today Show staff
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.76,0:00:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,debated among ourselves whether to air his answers.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.27,0:00:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Half of our staff said “absolutely not even though
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.27,0:00:40.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Manson doesn't make a cent off this book
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.67,0:00:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's not give them any publicity,”
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.51,0:00:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but another half said “Yes, believing that some of you
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.31,0:00:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are as curious as some of us are.”
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.85,0:00:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well at any rate here is what Manson had to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.87,0:00:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Schulman] Charles Manson is serving his life sentence
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.25,0:00:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for murder in San Quentin prison.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.16,0:00:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is where we talked to him
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.86,0:00:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with Nuel Emmons author of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.26,0:01:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Charles Manson: In his own words.”
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.66,0:01:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our conversation lasted an hour and a half
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.93,0:01:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during which Manson was sometimes lucid,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.36,0:01:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes incoherent, and frequently manipulative.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.10,0:01:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Schulman] From your words as Mr. Emmons
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.04,0:01:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quotes them in this book,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.64,0:01:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's clear that you were guilty of murder,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.91,0:01:17.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet he says in all his conversations with you
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.08,0:01:19.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he never heard you express remorse.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.78,0:01:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you never felt it?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.27,0:01:22.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Manson] Remorse for what?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.65,0:01:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You people have done everything in the world to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.36,0:01:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doesn't that give me equal right?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.36,0:01:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can do anything I want to you people
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.05,0:01:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at any time I want to because that's what
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.57,0:01:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've done to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.03,0:01:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you spit in my face and smack me in the mouth
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.96,0:01:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and throw me in solitary confinement for nothing
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.100,0:01:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what do you think is gonna happen
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.48,0:01:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I get out of here?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.62,0:01:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Guilty, hmm I wouldn't do anything
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.74,0:01:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I felt guilty about.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.28,0:01:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Schulman] You don't feel guilty at all?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.69,0:01:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Manson] There is no need to feel guilty.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.14,0:01:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't done anything I'm ashamed of.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.95,0:01:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe I haven't done enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.08,0:01:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I might be ashamed of that;
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.35,0:01:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for not doing enough,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.90,0:02:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for not giving enough,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.16,0:02:04.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for not being more perceptive,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.07,0:02:06.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for not being aware enough
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.07,0:02:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for not understanding,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.93,0:02:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being stupid.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.23,0:02:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe I should've killed four, five hundred people,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.88,0:02:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I would have felt better.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.55,0:02:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I would have felt like I really
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.01,0:02:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,offered society something.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.38,0:02:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, if I wanted to kill somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.78,0:02:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’d take this book and beat you to death with it
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.05,0:02:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wouldn't feel a thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.22,0:02:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be just like walking to the drugstore.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.19,0:02:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Do you feel blame?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.56,0:02:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you mad?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.62,0:02:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you feel like”… (Unintelligible nonsense words) …
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.16,0:02:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Sculman] Nuel Emmons is an ex-convict
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.47,0:02:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who first met Manson in prison in the 50s.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.97,0:02:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He claims he wrote the Manson book
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.50,0:02:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after seven years of conversation with Manson
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.01,0:02:58.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show that he is no leader, no guru, but just a loser.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.05,0:03:00.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Shulman] Why should anyone care to read this book?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.74,0:03:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Emmons] My purpose when I first started
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.08,0:03:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was virtually to destroy the myth.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.74,0:03:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I show that he is not as complex
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.10,0:03:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the occult leader or etcetera,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.63,0:03:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he has been projected as being.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.67,0:03:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Manson] I don't fit in society,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.73,0:03:20.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am incompetent.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.11,0:03:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am definitely incompetent.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.60,0:03:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Emmons] That’s not what I said.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.74,0:03:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Manson] I say that. I say that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.00,0:03:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say that there's nothing wrong with being incompetent
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.04,0:03:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you don't have to do as much.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.74,0:03:31.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you’re competent then you got a lot to do you see,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.63,0:03:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there is another aspect of it too.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.55,0:03:40.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've learned to reflect.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.05,0:03:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just reflect back.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.59,0:03:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I don't know, I know I'm stupid.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.33,0:03:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I admit I'm a pity, whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.65,0:03:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've never been a success at anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.04,0:03:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I even got to the point where I didn't want
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.83,0:03:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be a success at anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.71,0:03:56.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would being a success,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.00,0:03:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what does that mean, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.30,0:03:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Money?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.37,0:04:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I've had all the money in the world three times
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.98,0:04:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and had to give it back.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.11,0:04:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s a stupid little game, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.34,0:04:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My awareness and my consciousness is not the same
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.98,0:04:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as somebody that goes to school
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.92,0:04:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and has a mom and dad.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.80,0:04:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See not having parents has left me
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.05,0:04:17.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in another dimension so to say, you know?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.89,0:04:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have no bad going for nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.93,0:04:21.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't judge.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.100,0:04:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hardly even think about too much.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.36,0:04:26.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's hard for me to remember breakfast.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.57,0:04:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, if I didn't have two, three girls to help me,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.64,0:04:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would pretty much be lost
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.61,0:04:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wouldn’t know what the hell I’m doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.37,0:04:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Schulman] You write that in all your conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.94,0:04:39.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Charles Manson he never expressed remorse.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.35,0:04:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Emmons] Have you seen any today?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.95,0:04:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, perhaps he believes totally
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.75,0:04:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his own mind that he is not guilty.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.68,0:04:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Manson] You guys got the stuff in your head
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.79,0:04:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I've murdered somebody.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.79,0:04:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You’ve got it stuck in your brain
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.22,0:04:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I murdered somebody.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.53,0:04:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you want to call me a murderer for?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.23,0:04:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've never killed anyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.06,0:04:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't need to kill anyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.46,0:04:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.20,0:05:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have it here.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.28,0:05:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Schulman] Who is this man you’ve been talking to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.34,0:05:02.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for seven years?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.64,0:05:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Emmons] Well, to me he’s a convict that was a failure.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.97,0:05:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, he's the person that is not capable.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:12.63,0:05:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean and I still lay it to the way
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.82,0:05:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the book reads it wasn't to start
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.12,0:05:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cleaning the earth or anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.62,0:05:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean there was a drug burn
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.12,0:05:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that initiated the first one and the black guy
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.10,0:05:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first tone of violence that surfaced anyway
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.90,0:05:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then the death of Gary Hinman.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.26,0:05:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There again, it was dope related,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.81,0:05:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just kept feeding from there,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.84,0:05:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so it had no spiritual aspects at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.57,0:05:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was just a bunch of guys out there,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.41,0:05:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kids out there that was living,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.64,0:05:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing their own thing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.88,0:05:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it used to be party time and play time
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.78,0:05:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then through drugs and the whole bit,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.72,0:05:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, it started to get a little bit nasty,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.39,0:05:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit meaner and the first thing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.24,0:05:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know there's murders.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.32,0:05:59.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Manson] In my whole life I burglarized a grocery store,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.03,0:06:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stole some nickels and dimes,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.46,0:06:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,busted open a stamp machine,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.23,0:06:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stole a few automobiles, and cashed a couple checks.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.10,0:06:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a petty car thief.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.50,0:06:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been with prostitutes and bums
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.56,0:06:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and winos all my life.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.04,0:06:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The street is my world.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.28,0:06:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't, I don't pretend to go uptown and be anything fancy.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.99,0:06:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can, but I find more real in the world that I'm in
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.29,0:06:33.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than I do the tinsel.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.49,0:06:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the real world is the one
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.83,0:06:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to deal with everyday, ya know?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.53,0:06:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Believe me if I started murdering people…