1 00:00:00,125 --> 00:00:02,708 ♪ethereal ambient music♪ 2 00:00:08,963 --> 00:00:11,098 [lock clicking] 3 00:00:11,098 --> 00:00:13,848 [heels clacking] 4 00:00:26,168 --> 00:00:29,251 [car engine revving] 5 00:00:32,227 --> 00:00:34,650 ♪♪♪ 6 00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:39,650 [Miranda VO] Risk, in general for me, is really such a comfort zone. 7 00:00:42,930 --> 00:00:45,907 I was the kind of kid who was just like, 8 00:00:45,907 --> 00:00:48,060 "Dare me to do something." 9 00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:51,373 I loved the high of that. 10 00:00:51,373 --> 00:00:54,040 ♪♪♪ 11 00:00:55,909 --> 00:00:58,826 (plastic rustling) 12 00:01:00,448 --> 00:01:03,115 (mellow music) 13 00:01:04,055 --> 00:01:08,388 I am remembering when I was maybe seven or something 14 00:01:09,450 --> 00:01:12,030 playing at the park, and there was... 15 00:01:12,030 --> 00:01:14,520 You know those really intense basketball games 16 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,250 with men playing, and they're just shouting, 17 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:18,800 and like, "I'm open, I'm open!" 18 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,040 You know, like, [chuckling] um... 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,022 And my friends dared me to join the game. 20 00:01:25,022 --> 00:01:27,060 (mellow music) 21 00:01:27,060 --> 00:01:28,830 [Miranda] Do you mind holding that for a sec? 22 00:01:28,830 --> 00:01:31,920 You can let go whenever you need to let go. 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:32,753 Thank you. 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,780 [Miranda VO] And I just jumped right in, 25 00:01:36,780 --> 00:01:38,820 and just was like, "I'm open, I'm open!" 26 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:42,360 You know, just, like, doing the [chuckling] stuff I saw them doing, 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,240 and I was, like, floating on air, 28 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,850 you know, because I'd done it and I'd survived. 29 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:49,710 [Miranda] Do you mind just holding this? 30 00:01:49,710 --> 00:01:52,083 You can let go whenever you need to let go. 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,640 [Miranda VO] I guess I learned if you're not afraid -- 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,880 and why should you really be afraid? -- 33 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,070 then it's like you can fly 34 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:04,239 You have this superpower. 35 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:06,989 ♪curious electronic music♪ 36 00:02:09,510 --> 00:02:13,350 Now, I usually say I'm a writer, filmmaker, and artist. 37 00:02:13,350 --> 00:02:14,670 So within that, 38 00:02:14,670 --> 00:02:16,090 I perform 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,843 and I work in these different mediums. 40 00:02:21,843 --> 00:02:24,593 ♪♪♪ 41 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,350 - Some things are hidden for a reason, 42 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:30,780 and if you see them, you'll be changed forever. 43 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:33,429 But I wanted to be changed forever. 44 00:02:33,429 --> 00:02:35,880 ♪♪♪ 45 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,760 [Miranda VO] It feels like there's a million sub-genres 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:39,720 of all those things, 47 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,060 Like, "filmmaker" -- you know, 48 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:44,732 that, to me, includes feature films. 49 00:02:44,732 --> 00:02:46,020 [Miranda] And, cut! 50 00:02:46,020 --> 00:02:48,976 And things you might make really quickly 51 00:02:48,976 --> 00:02:51,150 and in an afternoon. 52 00:02:51,150 --> 00:02:54,116 So I'm not really a purist. 53 00:02:54,116 --> 00:02:57,420 ♪lush ethereal music♪ 54 00:02:57,420 --> 00:02:59,280 I started so young. 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,070 I started when I was 16 56 00:03:02,070 --> 00:03:04,699 writing and directing my first play. 57 00:03:04,699 --> 00:03:07,449 [heels clacking] 58 00:03:08,430 --> 00:03:12,483 I had started a correspondence with a man in prison. 59 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,820 There used to be lists of prison pen pals 60 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:19,710 in the back of magazines, 61 00:03:19,710 --> 00:03:22,593 and I really just chose him at random. 62 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:24,840 It wasn't romantic 63 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,320 because I was, thank God, a hardcore feminist, 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,790 but it was very intimate once that boundary was set. 65 00:03:32,790 --> 00:03:34,830 Dear friend, this is legal paper. 66 00:03:34,830 --> 00:03:37,050 I wish it was the opposite. 67 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:38,610 How has your day been so far? 68 00:03:38,610 --> 00:03:39,960 You make me wish we could meet. 69 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,150 Perhaps we can someday. 70 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:44,850 [Miranda VO] I think he and I were in it 71 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:48,423 for similar reasons in that we loved the attention. 72 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,450 What teenage girl doesn't love... 73 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:55,260 Like, literally, I was the only person -- 74 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:57,480 like, free person -- in his life. 75 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,390 Like, he hadn't gotten a letter in 12 years. 76 00:04:00,390 --> 00:04:04,140 And, like, I became alienated from my friends 77 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:08,910 and high school ''cause I couldn't get this across. 78 00:04:08,910 --> 00:04:10,203 And so I wrote a play. 79 00:04:11,820 --> 00:04:13,833 [man VO] You see, you're making me remember, 80 00:04:16,050 --> 00:04:17,490 but I'm not remembering who I was, 81 00:04:17,490 --> 00:04:19,980 I'm remembering who I wanted to be, 82 00:04:19,980 --> 00:04:21,630 [whispering] and there's a difference. 83 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:23,337 - I shouldn't be able to know you as well as I do 84 00:04:23,337 --> 00:04:25,170 because I know- - I mean I guess one reason 85 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:27,810 I do these projects with people 86 00:04:27,810 --> 00:04:31,200 who are so far out of my world 87 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,200 is that I am thrown out of my own assumptions 88 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,900 about how things work or what things mean. 89 00:04:39,900 --> 00:04:43,830 Even just very basic things, like even friendship, like: 90 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:45,213 Is this a friendship? 91 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:48,990 My parents are writers. 92 00:04:48,990 --> 00:04:53,990 So from them, I learned how to be intimate with my work. 93 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,680 And I guess my great hope was that through my work, 94 00:05:01,740 --> 00:05:05,463 I could have intimacy with other people. 95 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:08,820 Based on what I saw growing up, 96 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:11,493 I wasn't sure how else to connect. 97 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:17,453 I don't know, the idea of the... 98 00:05:17,453 --> 00:05:19,089 you know, the... 99 00:05:19,089 --> 00:05:20,468 the found family or the... 100 00:05:20,468 --> 00:05:25,845 or the friend that kind of saves you, like, I... 101 00:05:25,845 --> 00:05:30,000 those are sometimes in my work, and it's-- you know, 102 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,850 and I know it's a kind of common theme, 103 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:35,976 but I can't-- you know, it... 104 00:05:35,976 --> 00:05:37,694 [chuckling] never gets old! 105 00:05:38,702 --> 00:05:40,612 [panting] How about this, right? 106 00:05:40,612 --> 00:05:42,279 You think that was the big one? 107 00:05:43,290 --> 00:05:45,737 -I don't think that-- -It was. 108 00:05:45,737 --> 00:05:46,792 That was it. [laughs] 109 00:05:47,693 --> 00:05:48,526 Thank you. 110 00:05:49,874 --> 00:05:52,874 [typing] 111 00:05:55,423 --> 00:06:00,423 - I dropped out of college, and did wanna make movies, 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,230 and was surrounded by women in bands. 113 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:08,280 And we started a recording studio in our basement, 114 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:10,350 and there was very much the sense 115 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:13,770 that you could just figure it out yourself. 116 00:06:13,770 --> 00:06:16,620 So I started this thing first called "Big Miss Moviola" 117 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:19,200 and then Moviola tried to sue me. 118 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,300 Welcome to "Big Miss Moviola." 119 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:24,300 My name is Miranda July and I'll be your host. 120 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:26,910 [Miranda VO] The premise was, if you send me your movie, 121 00:06:26,910 --> 00:06:28,950 I'll put it on a VHS tape 122 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:31,410 with nine other movies made by nine other women... 123 00:06:31,410 --> 00:06:32,460 -Hi, Vanessa! 124 00:06:32,460 --> 00:06:34,380 [Miranda VO] And send the tape back to you, 125 00:06:34,380 --> 00:06:36,180 so we can all see each other's work. 126 00:06:37,710 --> 00:06:40,770 I was providing a service that I needed 127 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:45,060 in order to conceive of myself as a filmmaker. 128 00:06:45,060 --> 00:06:48,120 And I did that for 10 years. 129 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,190 I did it until... 130 00:06:50,190 --> 00:06:52,540 until I made "Me and You and Everyone We Know." 131 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:58,585 Man: What are you doing in my car? 132 00:06:58,585 --> 00:07:00,000 [laughs] 133 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,230 I don't know you 134 00:07:01,230 --> 00:07:03,420 and you certainly don't know anything about me. 135 00:07:03,420 --> 00:07:05,493 I mean, what if I'm a killer of children? 136 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:10,260 -Woman: [chuckling] Yeah, well, that would put a damper on things, 137 00:07:10,260 --> 00:07:11,910 wouldn't it? 138 00:07:11,910 --> 00:07:16,083 Miranda: I remember actually after that movie came out, 139 00:07:17,460 --> 00:07:20,737 and I remember performing and realizing, like, 140 00:07:20,737 --> 00:07:23,367 "They just wanna see the girl from that movie." 141 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:27,363 That actually was a bit of a crisis at first. 142 00:07:28,590 --> 00:07:33,487 And that was actually the point when I started making pieces 143 00:07:34,553 --> 00:07:37,500 that asked a lot of the audience. 144 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:38,460 [Miranda] When I signal you, 145 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:41,245 if you could just walk towards me very, very slowly. 146 00:07:41,245 --> 00:07:42,450 ♪tender piano playing♪ 147 00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:44,130 I noticed her immediately 148 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:47,074 when I walked out on stage that first night. 149 00:07:47,074 --> 00:07:49,560 [laughter] 150 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,143 She seemed to radiate light. 151 00:07:52,143 --> 00:07:54,780 ♪tender piano playing♪ 152 00:07:54,780 --> 00:07:57,204 I've been in two relationships with women before, but... 153 00:07:57,204 --> 00:08:01,161 they were more...butch. 154 00:08:01,161 --> 00:08:03,336 [laughter] 155 00:08:03,336 --> 00:08:06,003 [ambient music] 156 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,220 [Miranda VO] So right now, I am finishing a book, 157 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:19,478 a kind of long novel... 158 00:08:19,478 --> 00:08:22,470 [footsteps thudding] 159 00:08:22,470 --> 00:08:26,163 about the second half of a woman's life. 160 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,573 And it's a romance. 161 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:34,863 There's also dance in my book. 162 00:08:36,900 --> 00:08:40,620 So, this is my novel. 163 00:08:40,620 --> 00:08:42,232 [chuckling] No one's supposed to see this ever, 164 00:08:42,232 --> 00:08:44,970 but, um, so don't maybe get too close but... 165 00:08:44,970 --> 00:08:46,670 Or it's fine, whatever, who cares? 166 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,263 This is the first half of it. 167 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,083 This is the second half. 168 00:08:53,370 --> 00:08:58,290 When I can't write anymore -- like it's diminishing returns -- 169 00:08:58,290 --> 00:09:00,720 then I come to this rack. 170 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,370 It's, like, [chuckling] costumes to dance in? 171 00:09:04,230 --> 00:09:05,883 Or... 172 00:09:05,883 --> 00:09:10,606 just to make things in if I want to become aware of my body in a 173 00:09:10,606 --> 00:09:11,700 different way. 174 00:09:11,700 --> 00:09:13,835 And then I'd be like, "Well, this was a costume, 175 00:09:13,835 --> 00:09:16,567 but-- but who is this," you know? 176 00:09:17,129 --> 00:09:20,588 ♪cool percussive music playing♪ 177 00:09:20,588 --> 00:09:22,380 And I started actually buying things 178 00:09:22,380 --> 00:09:26,010 that make no sense in real life, 179 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:28,230 but are great for this sort of thing. 180 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:29,698 Like, what is... 181 00:09:29,698 --> 00:09:30,751 what is this? 182 00:09:30,751 --> 00:09:32,940 ♪chipper triangle music♪ 183 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:36,000 [Miranda VO] For me, it's always about energy, 184 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,920 and excitement, and mystery. 185 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,060 And one way it exists is in these mediums, 186 00:09:42,060 --> 00:09:44,850 like, simply working in a form 187 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:47,910 with materials you haven't used before 188 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:52,380 is novelty and mystery in a quite physical sense 189 00:09:52,380 --> 00:09:54,993 and sometimes in a collaborative sense. 190 00:09:56,382 --> 00:10:00,090 [typing] 191 00:10:00,090 --> 00:10:03,270 So day one of the pandemic, 192 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:07,320 the phone rings and it's an unfamiliar number, 193 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,213 and I answer it, and it's clearly like a solicitor. 194 00:10:11,213 --> 00:10:12,949 [dogs barking] 195 00:10:12,949 --> 00:10:15,730 - Miranda's phone number was assigned to me 196 00:10:16,830 --> 00:10:19,650 but she wasn't a typical customer 197 00:10:19,650 --> 00:10:23,853 that will immediately hang up the phone or drop the call. 198 00:10:25,350 --> 00:10:26,910 - Maybe I'd somehow ended up on a list 199 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:29,703 for self-published authors, which I'm not, 200 00:10:31,290 --> 00:10:35,017 and so I answered all their questions and then I said, 201 00:10:35,017 --> 00:10:37,260 "Can I ask you some questions?" 202 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:40,140 Where they were, they were in the Philippines. 203 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:41,973 How old they were, 27. 204 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:45,540 I couldn't tell what gender they were. 205 00:10:45,540 --> 00:10:48,240 They were a trans woman. 206 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,290 [Jay VO] Here in the Philippines, 207 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:53,370 most of the religion is Roman Catholic. 208 00:10:53,370 --> 00:10:57,000 It's very hard for you to be accepted, 209 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,160 to belong in a community. 210 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,020 So I started to share my background 211 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,503 and she thought of a project that we can collaborate. 212 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,637 This is the edition -- the limited edition -- 213 00:11:13,637 --> 00:11:18,969 that I made out of the project with Jay. 214 00:11:19,590 --> 00:11:22,980 - She said that she's gonna be sending me assignment 215 00:11:22,980 --> 00:11:27,003 and then I'm going to respond it in pictures. 216 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,400 This is the first assignment 217 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:34,400 where Miranda asked me to bow to something 218 00:11:35,310 --> 00:11:39,300 that is also important to me, which is money and a bed, 219 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:40,683 because I love to sleep. 220 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:47,810 So, in this picture, this is where all my suffering happens. 221 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,140 - The best feeling is when you throw down a challenge 222 00:11:55,140 --> 00:11:59,163 and then the person comes back with something much bolder. 223 00:12:00,750 --> 00:12:03,780 I mean, that is what really makes it a collaboration, 224 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:06,700 and that happened so regularly with Jay. 225 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:09,150 ♪calm ethereal music♪ 226 00:12:09,150 --> 00:12:10,800 [Jay VO] This is me. 227 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,800 So sharing that to Miranda was really kind of risky, 228 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:18,180 but at the same time happy 229 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:22,770 because I was able to express everything. 230 00:12:22,770 --> 00:12:24,630 Like, every pain, 231 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:29,047 every truth that happened to my life is all in this project. 232 00:12:29,047 --> 00:12:31,350 ♪♪♪ 233 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:34,760 - I mean, I'm full of my own... 234 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,760 trust, abandonment issues, 235 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,760 like all kinds of things that make it hard 236 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:45,900 to get close to people. 237 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:47,490 So it's a real miracle 238 00:12:47,490 --> 00:12:49,863 when something like that connection can happen. 239 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,500 It becomes very beautiful, and emotional, and light, 240 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:57,810 which is so, so incredible 241 00:12:57,810 --> 00:13:00,997 because it's not very light inside me. 242 00:13:00,997 --> 00:13:02,232 [chuckles] 243 00:13:02,232 --> 00:13:04,982 ♪♪♪ 244 00:13:06,270 --> 00:13:08,100 I think that's part of the risk thing 245 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:13,100 is literally anything is possible in the moment. 246 00:13:13,165 --> 00:13:15,915 ♪♪♪ 247 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:21,304 It's kind of like being in a dream or something. 248 00:13:21,304 --> 00:13:24,054 ♪♪♪ 249 00:13:26,130 --> 00:13:30,530 But a shared dream, not a lonely in-my-head dream. 250 00:13:30,530 --> 00:13:33,280 ♪♪♪ 251 00:13:34,285 --> 00:13:36,720 And the reward of working this way 252 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,130 is creative freedom 253 00:13:41,010 --> 00:13:42,606 on every level. 254 00:13:42,606 --> 00:13:45,273 ♪♪♪ 255 00:13:54,442 --> 00:13:57,025 ♪ethereal ambient music♪ 256 00:14:14,209 --> 00:14:17,626 ♪♪♪