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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cloe Shasha: So welcome, Ibram,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you so much for joining us.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ibram X. Kendi: Well thank you, Cloe,\Nand thank you Whitney,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you everyone\Nfor joining this conversation.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, a few weeks ago,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the same day we learned\Nabout the brutal murder of George Floyd,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we also learned that\Na white woman in Central Park
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who chose not to leash her dog
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was told by a black man nearby\Nthat she needed to leash her dog,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead decided\Nto threaten this black male,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,instead decided to call the police
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and claim that her life\Nwas being threatened.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, when we learned\Nabout that through a video,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many Americans were outraged,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this woman, Amy Cooper,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ended up going on national TV
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and saying,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like countless other Americans have said\Nright after they engaged in a racist act,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I am not racist."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I say countless Americans
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because when you really think\Nabout the history of Americans
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expressing racist ideas,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supporting racist policies,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're really talking about\Na history of people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have claimed they're not racist,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because everyone claims\Nthat they're not racist,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we're talking about\Nthe Amy Coopers of the world,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we're talking about Donald Trump,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who, right after he said\Nthat majority-black Baltimore
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a rat and rodent-infested mess\Nthat no human being would want to live in,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was challenged as being racist,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said, actually, I'm the least racist\Nperson anywhere in the world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so really the heartbeat\Nof racism itself
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has always been denial,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the sound of that heartbeat
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has always been, "I'm not racist."
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so what I'm trying to do with my work
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to really get Americans\Nto eliminate the concept of "not racist"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from their vocabulary,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and realize we're either being racist
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anti-racist.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're either expressing ideas\Nthat suggest certain racial groups
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are better or worse than others,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,superior or inferior than others.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're either being racist,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or we're being anti-racist.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're expressing notions\Nthat the racial groups are equals,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite any cultural\Nor even ethnic differences.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're either supporting\Npolicies that are leading
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to racial inequities and injustice,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like we saw in Louisville,\Nwhere Breonna Taylor was murdered,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or we're supporting policies\Nand pushing policies
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are leading to justice\Nand equity for all.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I think we should be very clear
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about whether we're\Nexpressing racist ideas,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about whether we're\Nsupporting racist policies,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and admit when we are,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because to be anti-racist
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to admit when\Nwe expressed a racist idea,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to say, you know what?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was doing that in Central Park,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was indeed being racist.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm going to change.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to strive to be anti-racist.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to be racist
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to constantly deny
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the racial inequities\Nthat pervade American society,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to constantly deny the racist ideas\Nthat pervade American minds.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I want to built\Na just and equitable society,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the only way we're going\Nto even begin that process
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is if we admit our racism
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and start building an anti-racist world.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CS: Thank you so much for that.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, your book,\N"How To Be An Anti-Racist,"
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has become a bestseller\Nin light of what's been happening,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you've been speaking a bit
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the ways in which\Nanti-racism and racism
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the only two polar opposite ways\Nto hold a view on races.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm curious if you\Ncould talk a little bit more
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what the basic tenets\Nof anti-racism are,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people who aren't as familiar with it\Nin terms of how they can be anti-racist.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IXK: Sure. And so I mentioned in my talk
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the heartbeat of racism is denial,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really the heartbeat\Nof anti-racism is confession,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the recognition
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that to grow up in this society
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to literally at some point in our lives
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably internalize\Nideas that are racist,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ideas that suggest certain racial groups\Nare better or worse than others,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and because we believe\Nin racial hierarchy,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Americans have been\Nsystematically taught
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that black people are more dangerous,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that black people are more criminal-like,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we live in a society\Nwhere black people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are 40 percent of the national\Nincarcerated population,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's going to seem normal to people.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we live in a society
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a city like Minneapolis
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where black people\Nare 20 percent of the population
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but more than 60 percent of the people\Nbeing subjected to police shootings,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's going to seem normal.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so to be anti-racist
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to believe that there's nothing wrong
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or inferior about black people\Nor any other racial group.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's nothing dangerous
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about black people\Nor any other racial group.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so when we see these\Nracial disparities all around us,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see them as abnormal,
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we start to figure out, OK,\Nwhat policies are behind
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many black people\Nbeing killed by police.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What policies are behind\Nso many Latinx people
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being disproportionately\Ninfected with COVID?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can I be a part of the struggle
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to upend those policies and replace them\Nwith more anti-racist policies?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whitney Pennington Rodgers:\NAnd so it sounds like
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do make that distinction, then,\Nbetween not racist and anti-racist.
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess, could you talk a little bit\Nmore about that and break that down?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the difference between the two?
Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IXK: