WEBVTT 00:00:14.175 --> 00:00:16.315 We have incredible potential. 00:00:17.176 --> 00:00:19.186 But how much do we really know 00:00:19.186 --> 00:00:24.025 about what are the most effective ways for us to extract this potential? 00:00:24.025 --> 00:00:26.746 To overcome obstacles? To reach our goals? 00:00:26.746 --> 00:00:29.656 To change as we need to change along the way? 00:00:29.656 --> 00:00:31.617 To learn? To evolve? 00:00:31.996 --> 00:00:34.967 I'm a professor of computer science, 00:00:34.967 --> 00:00:38.188 and my area of research is quantum computation. 00:00:39.229 --> 00:00:41.599 Those are computers that don't exist yet. 00:00:41.599 --> 00:00:45.350 But imagine computers that will take one second 00:00:45.350 --> 00:00:47.720 to solve certain computational tasks 00:00:47.720 --> 00:00:50.360 that the fastest supercomputer in the world 00:00:50.360 --> 00:00:53.010 will take zillions of years to solve. 00:00:53.420 --> 00:00:55.110 Thousands of researchers 00:00:55.110 --> 00:00:58.230 all over the world are now trying to build those computers, 00:00:58.230 --> 00:01:01.916 and also trying to understand what you will be able to do with them 00:01:01.916 --> 00:01:04.512 if and when we manage to build them. 00:01:05.622 --> 00:01:08.822 I deal with difficult challenges on a daily basis. 00:01:08.822 --> 00:01:12.838 I'm really interested in trying to find ways 00:01:12.838 --> 00:01:16.972 to overcome obstacles, and learning, which are more effective. 00:01:18.942 --> 00:01:22.642 Now, during my career I've had ups and downs. 00:01:23.712 --> 00:01:26.961 I was fortunate enough to have a very, very successful PhD. 00:01:26.961 --> 00:01:31.204 But immediately after my PhD, I went into this numb period 00:01:31.204 --> 00:01:34.133 in which nothing seemed to actually work, 00:01:35.011 --> 00:01:37.722 even though I was putting a lot of effort into it. 00:01:38.482 --> 00:01:41.142 My friend came to me and told me 00:01:41.592 --> 00:01:47.115 "Dorit, you've painted a very beautiful picture in your PhD. 00:01:47.115 --> 00:01:48.995 But you're putting in too much effort. 00:01:49.685 --> 00:01:54.966 Maybe it's time to let go, sign it up, and move on to the next picture." 00:01:55.285 --> 00:01:58.480 And he was right; I was clinging to it with all my might. 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.604 I was applying a lot of force. 00:02:00.604 --> 00:02:02.744 That's one way of applying force. 00:02:03.084 --> 00:02:06.206 But we do that all the time in many, many different contexts 00:02:06.206 --> 00:02:08.552 and many variations. 00:02:08.982 --> 00:02:11.376 Imagine yourself opening a drawer. 00:02:11.886 --> 00:02:13.256 You try to open it. 00:02:13.256 --> 00:02:14.506 It doesn't open. 00:02:14.816 --> 00:02:15.640 It's stuck. 00:02:15.640 --> 00:02:16.856 What do you do? 00:02:16.856 --> 00:02:18.147 You try harder. 00:02:18.147 --> 00:02:21.177 And if it doesn't work, you try even harder. 00:02:21.177 --> 00:02:22.667 It might even break. 00:02:23.597 --> 00:02:25.885 You tell yourself you have to finish an exercise, 00:02:25.885 --> 00:02:28.027 so you force yourself to do it. 00:02:28.027 --> 00:02:32.656 You want to go on a diet, you force yourself to do it. 00:02:32.826 --> 00:02:34.506 You need to finish this book 00:02:34.506 --> 00:02:37.446 that's been lying near your bed for a month, 00:02:37.446 --> 00:02:39.366 you force yourself to do it. 00:02:39.647 --> 00:02:44.468 I'm not saying that as a criticism, it's just an observation. 00:02:44.468 --> 00:02:47.929 We see this all around us, it's something very natural for us to do, 00:02:47.929 --> 00:02:50.658 and that's what we've probably been told to do 00:02:50.658 --> 00:02:53.119 many times when we were very young. 00:02:54.057 --> 00:02:58.537 But we lose a lot from this forceful approach. 00:02:58.537 --> 00:03:00.418 We lose a lot in quality. 00:03:00.908 --> 00:03:03.958 We lose our sensitivity, our creativity. 00:03:03.958 --> 00:03:08.138 Imagine a kid who hates mathematics 00:03:08.138 --> 00:03:11.737 and is forced to do a mathematical exercise. 00:03:11.737 --> 00:03:13.883 It's not a very pretty sight to see, right? 00:03:13.883 --> 00:03:16.368 It's not inspiring. 00:03:16.368 --> 00:03:19.558 It's as if some other part of his brain has taken over him, 00:03:19.558 --> 00:03:23.788 and it's doing the job but it's doing it very, very poorly. 00:03:24.492 --> 00:03:30.240 But there's a different kind of thinking and learning 00:03:30.460 --> 00:03:34.369 which is much more connected to ourselves, and much more attentive, 00:03:35.949 --> 00:03:37.639 and of a much higher quality - 00:03:37.969 --> 00:03:41.157 something which is much more connected, much more attentive; 00:03:42.387 --> 00:03:44.948 it's more sensitive and more creative. 00:03:44.948 --> 00:03:50.609 I want to give you an experience of such a learning and thinking process 00:03:50.609 --> 00:03:52.139 which is not forced. 00:03:59.969 --> 00:04:03.429 I'm holding a glass of water here in front of you, 00:04:03.429 --> 00:04:06.790 and I'm going to rotate this glass around itself 00:04:06.790 --> 00:04:11.305 without spilling the water, and without detaching my hand from the glass. 00:04:11.305 --> 00:04:12.871 Here, watch me do it. 00:04:16.391 --> 00:04:18.101 Good, worked the first time. 00:04:19.894 --> 00:04:21.480 Now I have a question for you. 00:04:22.280 --> 00:04:25.071 How many times did the glass rotate around itself? 00:04:25.511 --> 00:04:27.341 I'll let you watch me do it again. 00:04:27.341 --> 00:04:28.571 Watch carefully. 00:04:31.891 --> 00:04:32.995 Okay. 00:04:37.321 --> 00:04:39.600 It doesn't matter; the answer doesn't matter. 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:45.372 The point is that my question - if you're curious and intrigued by the movement - 00:04:45.372 --> 00:04:49.852 my question triggered some spontaneous thinking process inside you 00:04:49.852 --> 00:04:52.622 that was unforced. 00:04:52.622 --> 00:04:55.181 It was something connected to your curiosity 00:04:55.181 --> 00:04:57.632 and something that came from within. 00:04:58.341 --> 00:05:00.662 The answer, by the way, is two. 00:05:02.192 --> 00:05:06.152 I'm looking for ways to maintain those kind of qualities - 00:05:06.152 --> 00:05:10.822 sensitivity, creativity - those connections within us, 00:05:10.822 --> 00:05:13.802 not only with such simple exercises, 00:05:13.802 --> 00:05:18.443 but also in front of the hardest obstacles that we want to overcome. 00:05:18.873 --> 00:05:21.773 For that matter, let me move on to my other passion. 00:05:22.193 --> 00:05:24.892 I've done body-mind methods for years. 00:05:24.892 --> 00:05:29.422 I practice tai chi, king fu, yoga, Feldenkrais. 00:05:29.782 --> 00:05:34.083 One day, my kung fu teacher came to me, it was while I was doing this kick. 00:05:34.953 --> 00:05:36.073 And he told me, 00:05:36.073 --> 00:05:40.304 "Dorit, pay attention to how you return your leg back from the kick." 00:05:41.424 --> 00:05:46.045 Now, actually, I never even knew I'm returning my leg back from the kick. 00:05:46.045 --> 00:05:49.830 It always seemed to me like my kick ended with my leg up in the air, 00:05:49.830 --> 00:05:51.644 and the rest didn't exist. 00:05:52.169 --> 00:05:57.567 And then it occurred to me, it's exactly how I operate in life. 00:05:57.567 --> 00:05:59.465 I throw myself into challenges, 00:05:59.465 --> 00:06:02.635 and then I don't care about how I come back from them. 00:06:03.656 --> 00:06:06.896 What we do with our physical body, our physical patterns, 00:06:06.896 --> 00:06:12.327 are actually intimately connected to how we interact with life in general. 00:06:13.110 --> 00:06:18.986 I want to give you four principles I've extracted from body-mind methods. 00:06:19.376 --> 00:06:23.896 And those principles, I think, are very useful for overcoming obstacles 00:06:23.896 --> 00:06:26.446 and learning in general 00:06:27.237 --> 00:06:33.027 while maintaining your sensitivity, and creativity, and capabilities, 00:06:33.027 --> 00:06:35.518 even in front of very difficult obstacles. 00:06:35.518 --> 00:06:39.896 Now, those principles don't only apply to physical movement, 00:06:39.896 --> 00:06:44.164 I think they apply to overcoming challenges in general. 00:06:44.417 --> 00:06:47.576 In fact, they also apply to my scientific research 00:06:47.576 --> 00:06:49.437 and for learning mathematics. 00:06:51.220 --> 00:06:55.087 I'm going to give you an example coming from a Feldenkrais lesson 00:06:55.087 --> 00:06:57.860 and extract the principles from it one by one. 00:06:58.776 --> 00:07:01.076 I'm just taking Feldenkrais as an example; 00:07:01.846 --> 00:07:04.948 I could have taken other body-mind methods as well, 00:07:05.428 --> 00:07:07.848 but this is a particularly illuminating example. 00:07:09.226 --> 00:07:12.544 You see here my Feldenkrais teacher, Eilat Almagor, 00:07:12.940 --> 00:07:16.110 and she's giving a lesson to a child called Yuval. 00:07:17.542 --> 00:07:23.691 Yuval came to the lesson with some kind of asymmetry in the way he's sitting. 00:07:24.098 --> 00:07:27.903 He finds it difficult to lean on his left sitting bone. 00:07:28.253 --> 00:07:30.353 He leans on his right sitting bone. 00:07:30.833 --> 00:07:35.822 That means that he can't take his right leg to the right, like that, while sitting 00:07:35.822 --> 00:07:38.154 because he can't lift his right sitting bone. 00:07:38.782 --> 00:07:40.744 By the end of the lesson, however, 00:07:40.744 --> 00:07:45.623 Yuval actually brings his right leg to the right on his own. 00:07:45.623 --> 00:07:49.323 I want to give you the key steps of what's going on in the lesson, 00:07:49.323 --> 00:07:52.345 and walk you through those key steps, 00:07:52.345 --> 00:07:55.233 and extract the principles one by one. 00:07:56.265 --> 00:07:57.985 (Video) Dorit Aharonov: Eilat starts 00:07:57.985 --> 00:08:00.335 by working with Yuval's right sitting bone. 00:08:00.335 --> 00:08:02.315 Now this might seem counterintuitive 00:08:02.315 --> 00:08:06.274 because Yuval already knows how to lean on his right sitting bone. 00:08:07.664 --> 00:08:09.836 (On stage) DA: You might think that this means 00:08:09.836 --> 00:08:13.416 that he will actually move further to the right. 00:08:13.416 --> 00:08:17.686 And indeed, a little bit later, he does move further to the right. 00:08:18.196 --> 00:08:19.537 First principle: 00:08:19.537 --> 00:08:24.548 Start within your comfort zone, and make it even more comfortable. 00:08:24.933 --> 00:08:28.207 The next thing that Eilat does, is now that Yuval 00:08:28.207 --> 00:08:30.317 is very comfortable with where he is, 00:08:30.317 --> 00:08:36.429 she inserts one little new ingredient into his scenario. 00:08:36.429 --> 00:08:41.412 She just lets him feel that he can be supported in his left sitting bone. 00:08:42.238 --> 00:08:44.649 But this is done within his comfort zone. 00:08:45.859 --> 00:08:49.219 She just picks one little thing to add to it. 00:08:49.700 --> 00:08:54.270 Pick a challenge which is interesting, within your reach, 00:08:54.270 --> 00:08:56.480 not too easy, not too hard. 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.809 The next thing that Eilat does might look a bit weird. 00:09:00.809 --> 00:09:04.222 She lifts Yuval up in the air and lets him fall, 00:09:04.222 --> 00:09:06.321 and she does it from various directions. 00:09:06.830 --> 00:09:08.161 Now what she actually does, 00:09:08.161 --> 00:09:12.161 is she takes him away from what he has just learned, 00:09:12.161 --> 00:09:13.941 to lean on both his sitting bones, 00:09:13.941 --> 00:09:18.002 and lets him know that he can return back to what he just learned 00:09:18.002 --> 00:09:19.589 from different directions. 00:09:19.899 --> 00:09:21.320 Third principle: 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.581 Move away from your desired goal, 00:09:23.581 --> 00:09:26.131 and come back to it from different directions. 00:09:26.891 --> 00:09:31.081 Now, you might have noticed that during the whole time, 00:09:31.081 --> 00:09:36.128 Yuval continues to play, and do various things, and move. 00:09:36.388 --> 00:09:39.171 It's all happening within his comfort zone. 00:09:39.561 --> 00:09:42.847 He integrates everything that he's learning into his own life. 00:09:42.847 --> 00:09:44.363 Fourth and last principle: 00:09:44.683 --> 00:09:47.523 Play with it, connect it to everything you know, 00:09:47.523 --> 00:09:48.715 make it your own. 00:09:49.043 --> 00:09:54.172 A little bit later, Yuval takes his leg to the right on his own. 00:09:54.432 --> 00:09:57.132 The movement has already become his own. 00:09:57.643 --> 00:09:59.843 I want to repeat those four principles. 00:10:00.703 --> 00:10:04.453 Start within your comfort zone and make it even more comfortable. 00:10:05.973 --> 00:10:07.133 Second principle: 00:10:07.773 --> 00:10:09.772 Not too easy, not too hard: 00:10:09.772 --> 00:10:12.722 Pick an interesting challenge within your reach. 00:10:14.193 --> 00:10:15.289 Third principle: 00:10:15.289 --> 00:10:20.079 Move away from your desired goal, and come back to it from different angles. 00:10:20.649 --> 00:10:22.044 Fourth principle: 00:10:22.044 --> 00:10:24.734 Play with it, connect it, make it your own. 00:10:25.888 --> 00:10:31.174 Okay, now these principles, they're effective, as you've seen, 00:10:31.174 --> 00:10:33.002 in the context of movement. 00:10:33.002 --> 00:10:36.304 But I find them to be very, very effective also in other contexts. 00:10:36.304 --> 00:10:38.874 And in particular, in my scientific research, 00:10:38.874 --> 00:10:41.144 and in the context of mathematics in general. 00:10:41.484 --> 00:10:43.159 Now, I want to give you an example 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.873 of how to use those principles in the context of mathematics, 00:10:47.483 --> 00:10:49.173 in the context of a small riddle. 00:10:50.004 --> 00:10:52.314 Once upon a time, there was a queen. 00:10:53.638 --> 00:10:57.704 The queen ruled her island because she was the only one on the island 00:10:57.704 --> 00:10:59.914 who knew how to do the following trick. 00:10:59.914 --> 00:11:03.343 She had two cubes; each cube had six faces, 00:11:03.343 --> 00:11:05.723 and on each face, there is a digit written. 00:11:06.154 --> 00:11:09.643 Now, what she knew how to do with those cubes 00:11:09.643 --> 00:11:15.444 is she knew how to represent all dates in the month with those cubes. 00:11:15.928 --> 00:11:20.674 Now, this is a bit confusing because there are only six faces on each cube, 00:11:20.674 --> 00:11:22.933 and there are ten digits to write on them, 00:11:22.933 --> 00:11:24.603 so how did she do that? 00:11:25.183 --> 00:11:30.458 I want to solve this riddle with you using the principles that I've just shown, 00:11:30.458 --> 00:11:34.810 and I'll have this place here at the top corner of the screen 00:11:34.810 --> 00:11:37.973 where the principle that we're now using will be written. 00:11:39.042 --> 00:11:40.924 So that you can keep track of it. 00:11:41.634 --> 00:11:43.345 We start with what we need to do. 00:11:44.549 --> 00:11:49.136 We need to write six digits on each cube so I make space for those digits, 00:11:49.576 --> 00:11:50.796 six for each cube. 00:11:51.221 --> 00:11:54.715 Now let's start with a very, very small step. 00:11:54.715 --> 00:11:58.025 Let's just write the first date - 01. 00:11:58.556 --> 00:12:02.336 So we need a 0 on the first cube, and we need a 11 on the second cube 00:12:02.336 --> 00:12:03.556 so we do that. 00:12:03.916 --> 00:12:07.736 Well that was easy enough, so let's continue this way. 00:12:08.376 --> 00:12:13.355 We can also write 02, 03, 04, 05. 00:12:15.115 --> 00:12:19.485 Okay, but we can't continue like that for all dates that start with 0, 00:12:19.485 --> 00:12:22.126 there's just not enough room in the right cube. 00:12:22.396 --> 00:12:27.465 So now we see that we can identify a simple goal 00:12:27.465 --> 00:12:30.608 that is still something interesting that we don't know how to do. 00:12:31.330 --> 00:12:36.883 Let's try to represent all the dates that start with 0 - 00:12:37.277 --> 00:12:39.316 the left-most column. 00:12:40.994 --> 00:12:45.258 We see that we can't just do that with just one 0 on one cube, 00:12:45.258 --> 00:12:48.718 but if we add one 0 on the right cube, 00:12:48.718 --> 00:12:52.458 then you can combine it with all the digits 00:12:52.458 --> 00:12:54.989 by putting all the other digits on the left cube. 00:12:54.989 --> 00:12:57.338 So now we are done with the left column. 00:12:58.189 --> 00:13:03.129 But we can take this idea of having 0 on both cubes to the next column. 00:13:04.528 --> 00:13:06.346 We can solve now for the next column 00:13:06.346 --> 00:13:10.147 which consists of all numbers that start with 1, 00:13:10.147 --> 00:13:12.519 by just putting 1 on both cubes. 00:13:13.449 --> 00:13:17.019 We can do that because we have more room, we add a 1 to the left cube, 00:13:17.019 --> 00:13:18.529 and now we have 1 on both cubes 00:13:18.529 --> 00:13:21.338 and we can do all combinations with all the other digits. 00:13:21.738 --> 00:13:24.152 So that's fine for the second column. 00:13:24.518 --> 00:13:26.489 Now we want to do the third column. 00:13:27.118 --> 00:13:29.940 So if we can put 2 on both cubes, that would be great, 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:31.441 but we don't have more room. 00:13:31.841 --> 00:13:33.140 So now what do we do? 00:13:33.420 --> 00:13:38.291 Well, we use the next principle, and we make a deliberate mistake. 00:13:38.291 --> 00:13:43.052 We move away from our target and we add 2, even though we don't have room for that. 00:13:43.550 --> 00:13:45.260 Maybe we can correct for it later. 00:13:45.831 --> 00:13:49.391 Okay, so now we have 2 on the left cube, 00:13:49.391 --> 00:13:52.791 and you can check that you can now write all the 20s, 00:13:53.161 --> 00:13:56.120 and you can also see that you can write 30 and 31. 00:13:56.910 --> 00:14:00.491 Great, but now we have seven digits on the left cube. 00:14:00.491 --> 00:14:02.730 So how do we correct for that? 00:14:05.520 --> 00:14:09.032 I need all the digits on the left cube, so what do I do? 00:14:09.782 --> 00:14:13.652 Now I want to use the fourth principle: I want to play with it. 00:14:15.152 --> 00:14:17.466 So let's get serious with playing. 00:14:19.284 --> 00:14:23.245 I brought here with me two colorful cubes from that island, 00:14:23.625 --> 00:14:25.898 and I want to play with them. 00:14:26.327 --> 00:14:30.865 I'm going to play with them, and I can write here - 00:14:31.135 --> 00:14:32.771 they're going to break, actually - 00:14:32.771 --> 00:14:35.965 okay, I have a 2 here; I can write 20-something. 00:14:36.306 --> 00:14:37.485 Let's see. 00:14:37.835 --> 00:14:39.600 I can write 21. 00:14:39.885 --> 00:14:41.416 I can write 27. 00:14:41.781 --> 00:14:44.276 I can write 26. 00:14:45.146 --> 00:14:46.286 29! 00:14:46.286 --> 00:14:48.545 Right, I can also write 29. 00:14:48.784 --> 00:14:51.055 Aha, you've got it already. 00:14:51.265 --> 00:14:55.095 I don't need the 6 and 9. 00:14:56.670 --> 00:14:58.906 And that's the solution. 00:14:59.809 --> 00:15:02.095 Now, you might be thinking, 00:15:02.095 --> 00:15:06.285 "Hmm, is this all it takes to be a quantum computer scientist? 00:15:06.598 --> 00:15:08.976 Just rotate colorful cubes 00:15:08.976 --> 00:15:12.765 and lift your right and left sitting bone once in a while, 00:15:12.765 --> 00:15:15.696 and follow your butt once in a while?" 00:15:15.696 --> 00:15:17.966 Well, the answer is... 00:15:18.386 --> 00:15:19.836 honestly, yes. 00:15:22.506 --> 00:15:25.046 Now seriously, I strongly believe 00:15:25.046 --> 00:15:30.855 that all scientific discoveries, great or small, 00:15:30.855 --> 00:15:34.286 can be boiled down to a very small, little step 00:15:34.286 --> 00:15:37.715 of maybe a twist or a rotation around what you thought before, 00:15:37.715 --> 00:15:40.935 or looking at things from a different angle, 00:15:40.935 --> 00:15:43.515 or making an unexpected connection. 00:15:44.065 --> 00:15:48.255 And playing with it will reveal those things. 00:15:48.746 --> 00:15:53.387 And this is exactly what we're doing now in the area of quantum computation. 00:15:53.387 --> 00:15:57.927 In this area, we are actually at the state of Yuval in the beginning of the lesson. 00:15:57.927 --> 00:16:00.499 We don't know yet how to build those computers. 00:16:00.499 --> 00:16:04.057 And we don't know yet what we will be able to do with them, 00:16:04.057 --> 00:16:06.267 if and when they're built. 00:16:06.267 --> 00:16:10.948 But what we're doing is, we start within our comfort zone, 00:16:10.948 --> 00:16:14.299 we look around to see where we can expand it, 00:16:14.299 --> 00:16:16.083 where we can find challenges 00:16:16.083 --> 00:16:18.382 within our reach that are still interesting, 00:16:18.382 --> 00:16:20.628 and once we find them and manage to get them, 00:16:20.628 --> 00:16:22.450 we try to understand it further, 00:16:22.450 --> 00:16:25.491 we try to go back and forth in order for it to be reliable. 00:16:25.491 --> 00:16:27.751 We try to fall on it from different directions, 00:16:27.751 --> 00:16:29.960 and we keep continuing to play. 00:16:30.230 --> 00:16:34.160 And that is something that has already been very useful, 00:16:34.160 --> 00:16:36.780 even without reaching our goals, our big goals, 00:16:36.780 --> 00:16:39.060 we already found very, very interesting things 00:16:39.060 --> 00:16:43.042 and many new areas have been opened, and many new connections, 00:16:43.042 --> 00:16:44.513 just by this approach. 00:16:44.783 --> 00:16:50.436 Do you have a goal in your life that you haven't managed to move 00:16:50.686 --> 00:16:53.913 or make progress on for a long time? 00:16:54.128 --> 00:16:56.404 I invite you to check - maybe... 00:16:56.594 --> 00:16:57.903 maybe... 00:16:57.903 --> 00:17:00.734 you're putting just too much energy 00:17:00.734 --> 00:17:04.284 in a direction that you expect things to move. 00:17:04.544 --> 00:17:10.476 And maybe by reducing the amount of force and letting it move in other directions, 00:17:10.476 --> 00:17:12.654 you might find yourself in a different place 00:17:12.654 --> 00:17:15.224 which could be very close to where you are now, 00:17:15.224 --> 00:17:18.666 but it will be a different place from which things will look different. 00:17:19.626 --> 00:17:25.496 I find that resisting the temptation of using the forceful approach 00:17:25.496 --> 00:17:27.975 is a lifelong process of awareness, 00:17:27.975 --> 00:17:29.595 but I think it's worthwhile 00:17:29.595 --> 00:17:33.686 because you gain your sensitivity, your creativity, your liveliness, 00:17:33.686 --> 00:17:35.607 in front of difficult obstacles. 00:17:35.607 --> 00:17:38.037 And even if you don't reach what you wanted, 00:17:38.037 --> 00:17:41.887 well, you reach other places which could be as interesting. 00:17:42.567 --> 00:17:43.946 Thank you for listening. 00:17:43.946 --> 00:17:46.475 (Applause) 00:17:46.475 --> 00:17:47.627 (Whistles) 00:17:47.627 --> 00:17:49.237 (Cheers)