1 00:00:01,365 --> 00:00:04,230 A briefcase full of poop changed my life. 2 00:00:04,810 --> 00:00:06,690 Ten years ago, I was a graduate student 3 00:00:06,714 --> 00:00:09,388 and I was helping judge a generic engineering competition 4 00:00:09,412 --> 00:00:10,633 for undergrads. 5 00:00:10,657 --> 00:00:14,598 There, I met a British artist and designer named Alexandra Daisy Ginsberg. 6 00:00:14,622 --> 00:00:17,003 She was wearing the white embroidered polo shirt 7 00:00:17,027 --> 00:00:18,756 of the University of Cambridge team, 8 00:00:18,780 --> 00:00:20,360 and holding a silver briefcase, 9 00:00:20,384 --> 00:00:23,588 like the kind that you would imagine is handcuffed to your wrist. 10 00:00:23,692 --> 00:00:25,476 She gestured over from a quiet corner 11 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:27,500 and asked me if I wanted to see something. 12 00:00:27,803 --> 00:00:30,033 With a sneaky look, she opened up the suitcase, 13 00:00:30,057 --> 00:00:35,172 and inside were six glorious, multicolored turds. 14 00:00:35,609 --> 00:00:37,283 The Cambridge team, she explained, 15 00:00:37,307 --> 00:00:40,220 had spent their summer engineering the bacteria E. coli 16 00:00:40,244 --> 00:00:43,006 to be able to sense different things in the environment 17 00:00:43,030 --> 00:00:45,831 and produce a rainbow of different colors in response. 18 00:00:45,998 --> 00:00:47,727 Arsenic in your drinking water? 19 00:00:47,751 --> 00:00:49,233 This strain would turn green. 20 00:00:49,344 --> 00:00:51,725 She and her collaborator, the designer James King, 21 00:00:51,749 --> 00:00:54,852 worked with the students and imagined different possible scenarios 22 00:00:54,876 --> 00:00:56,724 of how you might use these bacteria. 23 00:00:56,748 --> 00:00:58,880 What if, they asked, you could use them 24 00:00:58,904 --> 00:01:01,166 as a living probiotic drink 25 00:01:01,190 --> 00:01:03,190 and health monitor, all in one? 26 00:01:03,785 --> 00:01:06,553 You could drink the bacteria and it would live in your gut 27 00:01:06,577 --> 00:01:07,868 sensing what's going on, 28 00:01:07,892 --> 00:01:09,520 and then in response to something, 29 00:01:09,544 --> 00:01:11,702 it would be able to produce a colored output. 30 00:01:11,836 --> 00:01:13,003 Holy shit! 31 00:01:13,027 --> 00:01:14,606 The Cambridge team went on to win 32 00:01:14,630 --> 00:01:17,503 the International Genetically Engineered Machine competition, 33 00:01:17,527 --> 00:01:18,887 or iGEM for short. 34 00:01:18,911 --> 00:01:20,196 And as for me, 35 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:22,220 those turds were a turning point. 36 00:01:22,744 --> 00:01:24,315 I am a synthetic biologist, 37 00:01:24,339 --> 00:01:27,617 which is probably a weird term that most people aren't familiar with. 38 00:01:27,641 --> 00:01:29,696 It definitely sounds like an oxymoron. 39 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,010 How can biology, something natural, 40 00:01:32,034 --> 00:01:33,201 be synthetic? 41 00:01:33,225 --> 00:01:36,280 How can something artificial be alive? 42 00:01:36,788 --> 00:01:38,703 Synthetic biologists sort of, poke holes 43 00:01:38,727 --> 00:01:42,751 in that boundary that we draw between what is natural and what's technological. 44 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:45,680 And every year, iGEM students from all over the world 45 00:01:45,704 --> 00:01:46,918 spend their summer 46 00:01:46,942 --> 00:01:50,010 trying to engineer biology to be technology. 47 00:01:50,034 --> 00:01:52,749 They teach bacteria how to play Sudoku, 48 00:01:52,773 --> 00:01:55,641 they make multicolored spider silk, 49 00:01:55,665 --> 00:01:57,815 they make self-healing concrete 50 00:01:57,839 --> 00:02:00,942 and tissue printers and plastic-eating bacteria. 51 00:02:01,165 --> 00:02:02,561 Up until that moment, though, 52 00:02:02,585 --> 00:02:05,800 I was a little bit more concerned with a different kind of oxymoron. 53 00:02:06,180 --> 00:02:08,236 Just plain old genetic engineering. 54 00:02:08,260 --> 00:02:10,348 The comedian Simon Munnery once wrote 55 00:02:10,372 --> 00:02:15,074 that genetic engineering is actually insulting to proper engineering. 56 00:02:15,288 --> 00:02:19,153 Genetic engineering is more like throwing a bunch of concrete and steel in a river 57 00:02:19,177 --> 00:02:21,967 and if somebody can walk across, you call it a bridge. 58 00:02:22,411 --> 00:02:25,196 And so synthetic biologists were pretty worried about this, 59 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:28,910 and worried that genetic engineering was a little bit more art that science. 60 00:02:29,369 --> 00:02:33,472 They wanted to turn genetic engineering into a real engineering discipline, 61 00:02:33,496 --> 00:02:36,036 where we could program cells 62 00:02:36,060 --> 00:02:37,401 and write DNA 63 00:02:37,425 --> 00:02:40,898 the way that engineers write software for computers. 64 00:02:41,117 --> 00:02:43,601 That day 10 years ago started me on a path 65 00:02:43,625 --> 00:02:45,490 that gets me to where I am now. 66 00:02:45,665 --> 00:02:47,283 Today, I'm the creative director 67 00:02:47,307 --> 00:02:50,131 at a synthetic biology company called Ginkgo Bioworks. 68 00:02:50,433 --> 00:02:52,068 Creative director is a weird title 69 00:02:52,092 --> 00:02:54,734 for a biotech company were people try to program life 70 00:02:54,758 --> 00:02:56,758 the way that we program computers. 71 00:02:57,165 --> 00:02:59,220 But that day when I met Daisy, 72 00:02:59,244 --> 00:03:01,085 I learned something about engineering. 73 00:03:01,109 --> 00:03:03,949 I learned that engineering isn't really just about equations 74 00:03:03,973 --> 00:03:05,750 and steel and circuits, 75 00:03:05,774 --> 00:03:07,790 it's actually about people. 76 00:03:07,814 --> 00:03:10,329 It's something that people do and impacts us. 77 00:03:10,353 --> 00:03:11,561 So in my work, 78 00:03:11,585 --> 00:03:15,233 I try to open up new spaces for different kinds of engineering. 79 00:03:15,633 --> 00:03:17,966 How can we ask better questions, 80 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:19,721 and can we have better conversations 81 00:03:19,745 --> 00:03:22,188 about what we want from the future of technology? 82 00:03:22,212 --> 00:03:24,783 How can we understand the technological 83 00:03:24,807 --> 00:03:27,664 but also social and political and economic reasons 84 00:03:27,688 --> 00:03:30,458 that GMOs are so polarizing in our society? 85 00:03:30,482 --> 00:03:32,482 Can we make GMOs that people love? 86 00:03:33,315 --> 00:03:35,879 Can we use biology to make technology 87 00:03:35,903 --> 00:03:38,767 that's more expansive and regenerative? 88 00:03:38,963 --> 00:03:42,733 I think it starts by recognizing that we as synthetic biologists 89 00:03:42,757 --> 00:03:46,680 are also shaped by a culture that values "real engineering" 90 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:48,704 more than any of the squishy stuff. 91 00:03:49,561 --> 00:03:53,590 We get so caught up in circuits and what happens inside of computers, 92 00:03:53,614 --> 00:03:55,573 that we sometimes lose sight of the magic 93 00:03:55,597 --> 00:03:57,256 that's happening inside of us. 94 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,918 There is plenty of shitty technology out there, 95 00:03:59,942 --> 00:04:04,172 but this was the first time that I imagined poop as technology. 96 00:04:04,434 --> 00:04:07,966 I began to see that synthetic biology was awesome, 97 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:10,752 not because we could turn cells into computers, 98 00:04:10,776 --> 00:04:13,474 but because we could bring technology to life. 99 00:04:13,609 --> 00:04:15,498 This was technology that was visceral 100 00:04:15,522 --> 00:04:18,672 and unforgettable vision of what the future might hold. 101 00:04:18,696 --> 00:04:21,149 But importantly, it was also framed as the question: 102 00:04:21,173 --> 00:04:23,577 is this the kind of future that we actually want? 103 00:04:23,601 --> 00:04:26,077 We've been promised a future of chrome, 104 00:04:26,101 --> 00:04:28,902 but what if the future is fleshy? 105 00:04:29,006 --> 00:04:31,117 Science and science fiction 106 00:04:31,141 --> 00:04:33,601 help us remember that we're made of star stuff. 107 00:04:33,752 --> 00:04:36,426 But can it also help us remember the wonder and weirdness 108 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:38,125 of being made of flesh? 109 00:04:38,149 --> 00:04:39,434 Biology is us, 110 00:04:39,458 --> 00:04:41,458 it's our bodies, it's what we eat. 111 00:04:41,688 --> 00:04:45,000 What happens when biology becomes technology? 112 00:04:45,709 --> 00:04:47,788 These images are questions 113 00:04:47,812 --> 00:04:51,470 and they challenge what we think of as normal and desirable. 114 00:04:51,796 --> 00:04:54,723 And they also show us that the future is full of choices 115 00:04:54,747 --> 00:04:56,747 and that we could choose differently. 116 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,280 What's the future of the body, 117 00:04:59,304 --> 00:05:00,556 of beauty? 118 00:05:00,580 --> 00:05:01,843 If we change the body 119 00:05:01,867 --> 00:05:04,133 will we have new kinds of awareness? 120 00:05:04,506 --> 00:05:07,184 And will new kinds of awareness of the microbial world 121 00:05:07,208 --> 00:05:08,900 change the way that we eat? 122 00:05:09,130 --> 00:05:10,995 The last chapter of my dissertation 123 00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:12,643 was all about cheese that I made 124 00:05:12,667 --> 00:05:15,733 using bacteria that I swabbed from in between my toes. 125 00:05:16,244 --> 00:05:18,244 I told you that the poop changed my life. 126 00:05:18,458 --> 00:05:21,125 I worked with smell artist and researcher Sissel Tolaas 127 00:05:21,149 --> 00:05:26,288 to explore all of the ways that our bodies and cheese are connected 128 00:05:26,312 --> 00:05:28,828 through smell and therefore microbes. 129 00:05:29,082 --> 00:05:30,518 And we created this cheese 130 00:05:30,542 --> 00:05:33,474 to challenge how we think about the bacteria 131 00:05:33,498 --> 00:05:34,958 that's part of our lives, 132 00:05:34,982 --> 00:05:37,458 and the bacteria that we work with in the lab. 133 00:05:37,482 --> 00:05:39,482 We are, indeed, what we eat. 134 00:05:39,728 --> 00:05:41,918 The intersection of biology and technology 135 00:05:41,942 --> 00:05:46,029 is more often told as a story of transcending our fleshy realities. 136 00:05:46,053 --> 00:05:48,086 If you can upload your brain to a computer, 137 00:05:48,110 --> 00:05:50,078 you don't need to poop anymore after all. 138 00:05:50,102 --> 00:05:53,177 And that's usually a story that's told as a good thing, right? 139 00:05:53,201 --> 00:05:57,667 Because computers are clean and biology is messy. 140 00:05:58,542 --> 00:06:01,141 Computers make sense and are rational 141 00:06:01,165 --> 00:06:04,500 and biology is an unpredictable tangle. 142 00:06:05,331 --> 00:06:06,721 It kind of follows from there 143 00:06:06,745 --> 00:06:09,950 that science and technology are supposed to be rational, 144 00:06:09,974 --> 00:06:11,426 objective, 145 00:06:11,450 --> 00:06:13,403 and pure, 146 00:06:13,427 --> 00:06:15,967 and it's humans that are a total mess. 147 00:06:16,407 --> 00:06:18,645 But like synthetic biologists poke holes 148 00:06:18,669 --> 00:06:21,701 in that line between nature and technology, 149 00:06:21,725 --> 00:06:24,201 artists, designers and social scientists 150 00:06:24,225 --> 00:06:25,990 showed me that the lines that we draw 151 00:06:26,014 --> 00:06:28,498 between nature, technology and society 152 00:06:28,522 --> 00:06:30,815 are a little bit softer than we might think. 153 00:06:30,919 --> 00:06:34,399 They challenge us to reconsider our visions for the future 154 00:06:34,423 --> 00:06:37,145 and our fantasies about controlling nature. 155 00:06:37,384 --> 00:06:40,971 They show us how our prejudices, our hopes and our values 156 00:06:40,995 --> 00:06:43,222 are embedded in science and technology 157 00:06:43,246 --> 00:06:46,229 through the questions that we ask and the choices that we make. 158 00:06:46,253 --> 00:06:50,601 They make visible the ways that science and technology are human 159 00:06:50,625 --> 00:06:52,260 and therefore political. 160 00:06:52,284 --> 00:06:54,768 What does it mean for us to be able to control life 161 00:06:54,792 --> 00:06:56,339 for our own purposes? 162 00:06:56,363 --> 00:06:58,212 The artist Oron Catts and Ionat Zurr 163 00:06:58,236 --> 00:07:00,371 made a project called Victimless Leather, 164 00:07:00,395 --> 00:07:03,283 where they engineered a tiny leather jacket 165 00:07:03,307 --> 00:07:04,696 out of mouse cells. 166 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Is this jacket alive? 167 00:07:07,014 --> 00:07:10,085 What does it take to grow it and keep it this way? 168 00:07:10,315 --> 00:07:11,910 Is it really victimless? 169 00:07:11,934 --> 00:07:14,545 And what does it mean form something to be victimless? 170 00:07:15,022 --> 00:07:16,236 The choices that we make 171 00:07:16,260 --> 00:07:19,760 and what we show and what we hide in our stories of progress, 172 00:07:19,784 --> 00:07:23,233 are often political choices that have real consequences. 173 00:07:23,511 --> 00:07:25,725 How will genetic technologies 174 00:07:25,749 --> 00:07:27,764 shape the way that we understand ourselves 175 00:07:27,788 --> 00:07:29,217 and define our bodies? 176 00:07:29,241 --> 00:07:31,839 The artist Heather Dewey-Hagborg made these faces 177 00:07:31,863 --> 00:07:34,918 based on DNA sequences she extracted from sidewalk litter, 178 00:07:34,942 --> 00:07:38,145 forcing us to ask questions about genetic privacy, 179 00:07:38,169 --> 00:07:41,867 but also how and whether DNA can really define us. 180 00:07:42,249 --> 00:07:45,387 How will we fight against and cope with climate change? 181 00:07:45,411 --> 00:07:47,633 Will we change the way that we make everything, 182 00:07:47,657 --> 00:07:51,625 using biological materials that can grow and decay alongside us? 183 00:07:51,784 --> 00:07:53,878 Will we change our own bodies? 184 00:07:54,101 --> 00:07:55,815 Or nature itself? 185 00:07:55,966 --> 00:07:58,143 Or can we change the system 186 00:07:58,167 --> 00:08:00,076 that keeps reinforcing those boundaries 187 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:03,093 between science, society, nature and technology? 188 00:08:03,220 --> 00:08:07,410 Relationships that today keep us locked in these unsustainable patterns. 189 00:08:07,585 --> 00:08:09,783 How we understand and respond to crises 190 00:08:09,807 --> 00:08:12,847 that are natural, technical and social all at once, 191 00:08:12,871 --> 00:08:16,577 from coronavirus to climate change, are deeply political. 192 00:08:16,871 --> 00:08:19,577 And science never happens in a vacuum. 193 00:08:20,165 --> 00:08:21,379 Let's go back in time 194 00:08:21,403 --> 00:08:23,932 to when the first European settlers arrived in Hawaii. 195 00:08:24,488 --> 00:08:27,750 They eventually brought their cattle and their scientists with them. 196 00:08:28,028 --> 00:08:30,203 The cattle roamed the hillsides, 197 00:08:30,227 --> 00:08:32,955 trampling and changing the ecosystems as they went. 198 00:08:33,161 --> 00:08:36,629 The scientists catalogued the species that they found there, 199 00:08:36,653 --> 00:08:39,685 often taking the last specimen before they went extinct. 200 00:08:40,117 --> 00:08:42,331 This is the Maui hau kuahiwi, 201 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:44,561 or the Hibiscadelphus wilderianus, 202 00:08:44,585 --> 00:08:46,967 so named by [unclear] Wilder in 1910. 203 00:08:47,276 --> 00:08:49,616 By 1912, it was extinct. 204 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:53,164 I found this specimen in the Harvard University herbarium, 205 00:08:53,188 --> 00:08:57,216 where it's housed with five million other specimens from all over the world. 206 00:08:57,376 --> 00:09:00,114 I wanted to take a piece of science's past, 207 00:09:00,138 --> 00:09:02,296 tied up as it was with colonialism, 208 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,712 and all of the embedded ideas 209 00:09:03,736 --> 00:09:07,490 of the way that nature and science and society should work together. 210 00:09:07,831 --> 00:09:10,664 And ask questions about science's future. 211 00:09:11,109 --> 00:09:13,014 Working with an awesome team at Ginkgo, 212 00:09:13,038 --> 00:09:14,982 and others at UC Santa Cruz, 213 00:09:15,006 --> 00:09:17,609 we were able to extract a little bit of the DNA 214 00:09:17,633 --> 00:09:20,133 from a tiny sliver of this plant specimen 215 00:09:20,157 --> 00:09:22,157 and to sequence the DNA inside. 216 00:09:22,292 --> 00:09:25,439 And then resynthesize a possible version 217 00:09:25,463 --> 00:09:28,534 of the genes that made the smell of the plant. 218 00:09:28,653 --> 00:09:31,026 By inserting those genes into yeast, 219 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:33,563 we could produce little bits of that smell 220 00:09:33,587 --> 00:09:35,325 and be able to maybe smell 221 00:09:35,349 --> 00:09:37,547 a little bit of something that's lost forever. 222 00:09:37,682 --> 00:09:39,705 Working again with Daisy and Sissel Tolaas, 223 00:09:39,729 --> 00:09:42,218 my collaborator on the cheese project, 224 00:09:42,242 --> 00:09:46,276 we reconstructed and composed a new smell of that flower, 225 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:49,331 and created an installation where people could experience it, 226 00:09:49,355 --> 00:09:52,751 to be part of this natural history and synthetic future. 227 00:09:54,482 --> 00:09:56,530 Ten years ago, I was a synthetic biologist 228 00:09:56,554 --> 00:09:59,529 worried that genetic engineering was more art than science 229 00:09:59,553 --> 00:10:01,220 and that people were too messy 230 00:10:01,244 --> 00:10:03,244 and biology was too complicated. 231 00:10:03,641 --> 00:10:06,601 Now I use genetic engineering as art 232 00:10:06,625 --> 00:10:09,645 to explore all the different ways that we are entangled together 233 00:10:09,669 --> 00:10:11,669 and imagine different possible futures. 234 00:10:11,923 --> 00:10:13,622 A fleshy future 235 00:10:13,646 --> 00:10:16,942 is one that does recognize all those interconnections 236 00:10:16,966 --> 00:10:19,624 and the human realities of technology. 237 00:10:19,927 --> 00:10:23,439 But it also recognizes the incredible power of biology, 238 00:10:23,463 --> 00:10:25,408 its resilience and sustainability, 239 00:10:25,432 --> 00:10:28,267 its ability to heal and grow and adapt. 240 00:10:28,455 --> 00:10:30,418 Values that are so necessary 241 00:10:30,442 --> 00:10:33,037 for the visions of the futures that we can have today. 242 00:10:33,061 --> 00:10:35,061 Technology will shape that future. 243 00:10:35,395 --> 00:10:37,395 But humans make technology. 244 00:10:37,696 --> 00:10:40,309 How we decide what that future will be 245 00:10:40,333 --> 00:10:41,746 is up to all of us. 246 00:10:42,556 --> 00:10:43,738 Thank you.