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Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.29,0:00:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[JOHN BALDESSARI] I'm always interested in\Nthings that we don't call art,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.88,0:00:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'd say, "Well, why not?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.12,0:00:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, why--you know, what\Ncould I do this to make it art?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.16,0:00:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could I change people's minds?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.05,0:00:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[machine humming]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.08,0:00:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am making art.\NI am making art.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.43,0:00:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I love it.\NLike--like, you know, all of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.32,0:00:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a sudden, because I said\Nit's art, somebody believes me.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.74,0:00:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What interests me in life is the\Nabsurdity in life.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.15,0:00:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.41,0:00:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[door closes]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.22,0:01:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Hey, John.\N- Hi, Marie.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.54,0:01:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Okay, I got these new ones.\N- Oh, good.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.76,0:01:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- A couple of them...\N- Good.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.43,0:01:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- that I have some questions \Nabout. I'll put them up.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.75,0:01:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Art making is about making a choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.84,0:01:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it was like you choose\None thing over another:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.04,0:01:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this color over that color\Nor this object over that object
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.28,0:01:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or– you know, on and on and on.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.22,0:01:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you have to make a choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.84,0:01:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Okay, so the questions that\NI had about these ones are,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.36,0:01:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that you want these\Nframed individually, but do you
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.84,0:01:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also want these framed\Nindividually, or are they just
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.32,0:01:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gonna be one print that's framed\Nin one frame?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.55,0:01:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-They'll be in a single frame.\N-Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.64,0:01:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Well, maybe not now but\Nlater, you know, I have other
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.20,0:01:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions that we could talk\Nabout, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.04,0:01:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Okay. No problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.12,0:01:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-My emergence in the art world:
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.28,0:02:01.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was linked with\Nconceptual art, minimal art.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.68,0:02:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never quite totally subscribed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.24,0:02:07.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to it; I thought it was\Na little boring.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.12,0:02:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there were a lot of things\NI didn't want to shed,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.96,0:02:13.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of them was\Nbeing tasteful.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.16,0:02:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one of the reasons I gave\Nup painting, because it was all
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.84,0:02:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about being tasteful: you know,\Nthe right red next to the right
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.80,0:02:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blue, and you're very carefully\Nmixing the colors.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.80,0:02:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just decided to be
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.96,0:02:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very systematic about it\Nand use the color wheel.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.56,0:02:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I like the guy–\Nthe green guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.64,0:02:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He might be too green.\NI don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.83,0:02:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Oh, yeah?\N- I'm still thinking about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.06,0:02:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- Yeah, a little toxic green.\N- Yeah. Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.93,0:02:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know.\NAnything else?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.52,0:02:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My father was Catholic.\NMy mother was Lutheran.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.76,0:03:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to a Methodist church.\NThat was the local church.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.31,0:03:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I certainly got a love of\Nliterature, reading the bible,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.56,0:03:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the King James version.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.14,0:03:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I got a real sense of\Nmoral obligation, and I think
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.36,0:03:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why I was a later starter\Nin art, because I–
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.21,0:03:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,art didn't seem to do anybody\Nany good that I could see.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.48,0:03:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It didn't heal bones.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.44,0:03:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It didn't help people find\Nshelter or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.44,0:03:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted to be a social\Nworker, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.32,0:03:30.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Got to say, I owe it to\Nmy sister.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.92,0:03:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got my degree in art, and she said,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.92,0:03:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, how are you gonna\Nsupport yourself?"
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.26,0:03:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[chuckles]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.56,0:03:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I got a teaching credential.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.84,0:03:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teaching is about communication.\NLecturing doesn't do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.56,0:03:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to see the light in the\Nstudents' eyes that they get it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.12,0:03:50.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you don't see the light,\Nthen you try another approach
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.68,0:03:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another approach\Nuntil they get it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.04,0:03:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I realized that art was\Nabout communication.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.08,0:03:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was learning how to\Ncommunicate by teaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.64,0:04:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And– and then the art infected
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.36,0:04:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my classroom teaching, trying to\Nbe inventive there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.24,0:04:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in effect, I was saying,\N"the art I do is what I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.32,0:04:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talking about in the classroom,\Nand vice versa."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.83,0:04:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, they're\Ninterchangeable.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.81,0:04:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One thing– I was trying to teach\Nstudents how to look.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.20,0:04:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said, "If you're looking at\Ntwo things, don't look at them;
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.16,0:04:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look between them...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.47,0:04:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there's that stuff too. That's– this is important."\NBut we prioritize.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.80,0:04:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We– you know, if I'm looking at\Nthis wall over here, it's normal
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.92,0:04:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to look at something pinned\Nto the wall.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.56,0:04:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not looking at the space
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.96,0:04:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between those two things.\NBut that's very important.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.72,0:04:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Words are just a way we
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.48,0:04:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communicate, images are a way\Nwe communicate, and I couldn't
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.60,0:05:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figure out why they had to be\Nin different baskets.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.04,0:05:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think in my multiple-image pieces,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.60,0:05:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I probably have this\Nidea that there's a word behind them.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.61,0:05:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm probably building like\Na writer or a poet builds 
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.12,0:05:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with words.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.28,0:05:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-John came to my studio at UCLA,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.40,0:05:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we had a meeting, and\Nhe said, "I have an opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.52,0:05:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for you," which was very exciting,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.28,0:05:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, just to hear that, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.04,0:05:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, I was like–
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.16,0:05:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, I knew some of my\Nclassmates were maybe working
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.16,0:06:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for him, doing a little painting\Nor working doing a little
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.92,0:06:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Photoshop for him\Nor something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.48,0:06:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Wow, okay,\Nwhat is it?"
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.40,0:06:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's like, "Well, I just got this dog,\Nand I need someone to walk him."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.86,0:06:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.08,0:06:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I said, "Okay."\NI'm like, "Let me think about it."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.60,0:06:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He knew I was having a little
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.00,0:06:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trouble at school, you know,\Nlike, with my work and going
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.48,0:06:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through a little grad school\Ncrisis in terms of ideas and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.92,0:06:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he said, "Okay, every Monday,\Nyou have to bring work to me."
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.88,0:06:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we began.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.48,0:06:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think he taught me to be human\Nwhen it comes to the work.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.60,0:06:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, there is something\Nvery humble about the way he works.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.64,0:06:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He comes here every morning\Nat the same time.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.40,0:07:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He shows you how, you know,\Nit's a long process.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.88,0:07:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it's a lifetime\Ncommitment to the work.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.19,0:07:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,- In the early years, I would
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.88,0:07:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just make work, and it would be\Nshipped to the gallery.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.68,0:07:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then one would spend three
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.52,0:07:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or four days moving works around\Nand seeing how one spoke to the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.80,0:07:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other, how the size of one work\Nwould relate to the size of the other,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.80,0:07:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, all of those\Nproblems that would make hanging
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.00,0:07:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one work next to another less\Ngood than another hanging.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.25,0:07:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[chuckles]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.92,0:07:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would always ship more\Nwork than I needed because you
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.80,0:07:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never know what you're going to need.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.04,0:07:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did a retrospective show
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.52,0:07:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that started at the Museum of\NContemporary art in Los Angeles.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.56,0:08:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I saw how they had a model\Nad worked with everything,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.64,0:08:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I said, "Well, why don't\NI do that?"
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.16,0:08:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a model of the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.08,0:08:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Haus Lange by Mies Van Der Rohe\NIn Krefeld, Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.94,0:08:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the principle things I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.48,0:08:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing with the Mies Van Der Rohe\NHaus is to use his materials in
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.36,0:08:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a way that would be more than he\Nwould have used them.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.88,0:08:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the principle material here\Nis brick, which he wasn't
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.96,0:08:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly fond of.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.76,0:08:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Curiously, he did work in his
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.68,0:08:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,father's brickyard, so he did\Nhave some familiarity with the material.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.22,0:08:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of the outside walls, where
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.48,0:08:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a window, they're\Ncovered up with fake brick.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.72,0:08:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you will see no windows whatsoever.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.56,0:09:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Mies Van Der Rohe was very\Ncareful in framing the views of the garden.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.40,0:09:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where there is a window in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.00,0:09:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the walls, there will be\Nsubstituted views of the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.80,0:09:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pacific Ocean and landscape\Nin Southern California.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.64,0:09:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in front of each window,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.84,0:09:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there'll be one Mies Van Der Rohe\Nchair where you can sit and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.28,0:09:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contemplate the view.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.56,0:09:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then in one wall, I'm having
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.56,0:09:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,manufactured as an addition\Na couch in the shape of an ear,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.44,0:09:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flanked left and right by two\Nupturned noses as sconces
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.04,0:09:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that you'll either have light\Nor flowers coming out of the nostrils.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.24,0:09:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I figured it's everything\Nthat tMies Van Der Rohe would hate.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.00,0:10:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And rather than glorify\NMies Van Der Rohe–
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.00,0:10:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's had enough glorification--\NI just thought I would, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.36,0:10:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,poke a little fun of him,\Ndo reverse Mies Van Der Rohe.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.24,0:10:31.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, I started using stills
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.32,0:10:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from movies not because they\Nwere from the movies;
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.24,0:10:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could get the pictures cheaply.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.08,0:10:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it's using this\Ndata bank of images
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.08,0:10:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people carry around in\Ntheir head, and then playing and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.52,0:10:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rearranging those images\Nfor them.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.16,0:11:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of photographs I had\Nbought would be from newspapers.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.16,0:11:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they would be local\Ncelebrities, whatever:
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.80,0:11:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The major, the fire chief,\Nsome dignitary.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.84,0:11:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a lot them, they would be
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.12,0:11:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pointing to things, shaking\Nhands, smiling at the–
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.40,0:11:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, it's a photo op,\Nyou know, kind of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.60,0:11:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Standing with the president;\Nthat sort of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.56,0:11:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was attracted but repulsed
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.12,0:11:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by these, and I realized why\NI was repulsed by them was that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.44,0:11:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was there, isolated in my\Nstudio, and these people were
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.44,0:11:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making decisions that would\Nprobably affect me, and,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.36,0:11:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, I was not doing\Nanything about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.04,0:11:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was one of the\Narguments I had with art in the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.84,0:11:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first places, that, you know,\Nit's not doing anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.44,0:11:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was using these price 
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.04,0:11:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stickers, and I just put them\Nover the faces, and I said,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.12,0:11:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wow."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.92,0:12:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The phrase I keep using is,\Nit leveled the playing field.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.12,0:12:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of a sudden, they had no
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.08,0:12:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power on me and really saw them\Nfor what they were.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.28,0:12:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were replaceable even\Nthough the person changes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.52,0:12:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think my idea is this:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.74,0:12:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not so much structure that it's inhibiting–
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.02,0:12:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean,\Nthat's there's no wiggle room–
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.71,0:12:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not so loose that\Nit could be anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.64,0:12:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess it's like a corral.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.64,0:12:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a corral around your idea:
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.88,0:13:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you can move\Nbut not too much.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.52,0:13:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's that limited movement\Nthat promotes creativity.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.72,0:13:16.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been working over the years\Nwith various body parts.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.60,0:13:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I started out with noses.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.77,0:13:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then ears.\NThen noses and ears.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.88,0:13:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now I'm doing foreheads\Nwith furrows
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.72,0:13:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and eyebrows.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.84,0:13:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, you always come back
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.76,0:13:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the same idea but from\Na different direction.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.65,0:13:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, we're gonna do\Ndog eyebrows next.