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Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.09,0:00:14.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[ギター音楽]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.02,0:00:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ジェフ・ウォール: 常に写真を探しています
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.86,0:00:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,私の仕事です
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.66,0:00:39.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,写真を探す
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.04,0:00:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,被写体という人もいます
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.00,0:00:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,私は出発点と呼びます
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.95,0:00:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,同じことです
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.82,0:00:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,何かが起こるんです
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.32,0:00:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,例えば２００１年にこのドアを開けて外に出た時
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.30,0:00:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,３、４人の人が荷物を引きずって歩いているのが見えました
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.91,0:01:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,カメラを持っていたら写真を撮ったでしょう
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.75,0:01:04.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,けれど持っていなかった
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.86,0:01:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,だからこの出来事を再現する必要がありました
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.19,0:01:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,２ブロック歩いたところで青空と弧を描く高架橋が見えました
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.67,0:01:21.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,”よしここだ”そう思いました
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.58,0:01:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,それまでこのようなことをしたいと思ったことは\N一度もありませんでした
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.01,0:01:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,偶然だったんです
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.08,0:01:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,この偶然により全く新しい発想が生まれました
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.10,0:01:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,何か写真を -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.58,0:01:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,例えばこの本にのっている北斎の”駿州江尻”を見ていたとします
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.00,0:01:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,すぐに これは再現できるぞと思いつきます
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.45,0:01:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,私たちは何かが起きるのを待たなければなりません
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.12,0:01:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,そして一度それが起これば\Nもうやるしか無いんです
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.34,0:02:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,誰かが牛乳パックを持っていて
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.59,0:02:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,何かの拍子で撒き散らしてしまう
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.20,0:02:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,起こり得る話です
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.21,0:02:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,誰でもミルクはこぼします\Nただ私はより洗練された方法で
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.90,0:02:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,見せているだけです
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.43,0:02:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[柔らかな電子音楽]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.05,0:02:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,生まれた時からこの街を知っています
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.53,0:02:38.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,人生のほとんどをこの街で過ごしました\Nそういう人は街が好きか ー
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.33,0:02:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,憎んでいるかでしょう
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.31,0:02:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,多くのことを知っている
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.50,0:02:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,多くのことがあった\Nだから私もバンクバーに複雑な思いを抱いています
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.14,0:02:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ここで仕事をするということは\Nそういった感情と折り合いをつけることだと感じます
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.96,0:03:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ある瞬間瞬間でどちらの感情が勝るかは\N全くもって予測できません
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.39,0:03:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,私の作品がそういった感情を含んでいると思いたいものです
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.13,0:03:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.39,0:03:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,いまだになぜ自分が絵描きにならなかったのかわかりません
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.22,0:03:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,１９６４年頃 私が１９か２０歳の時に絵をやめました
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.25,0:03:56.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,６０年代の半ば概念芸術のような\Nオルタナティブアートが爆発的に生み出された時期でした
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.34,0:03:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.76,0:04:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,どういうわけか当時のバンクーバーは\Nその風潮にピッタリはまっていたんです
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.20,0:04:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.32,0:04:09.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,だから転向しました
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.50,0:04:12.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,スタジオ持ちの絵描きをやめたんです
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.82,0:04:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,スタジオは１５歳の時に手に入れたものでした\N他のことに挑戦したかったんです
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.37,0:04:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,知られていない対象に潜在的な力が宿っていると解ったとき
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.23,0:04:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,本当に真剣に写真に取り組むことになったと思います
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.75,0:04:33.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That had to do with the scale of the picture,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.17,0:04:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it seemed to me there was simply \Nno technical reason
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.47,0:04:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why photography couldn't become bigger.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.76,0:04:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[beeping of machine]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.65,0:04:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Photographs have a beautiful, molecular,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.44,0:04:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,granular surface that both shows itself and\Nhides itself in the image it makes,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.05,0:04:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there are qualities thatare revealed in\Nphotography when it gets larger.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.77,0:05:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Indistinct chatter]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.23,0:05:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After having seen some advertisements backlighted,\NI thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.38,0:05:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.20,0:05:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll try "the backlighted.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.34,0:05:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's kind of interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.59,0:05:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has a kind of luminosity that's really\Ndifferent."
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.23,0:05:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So then I just started using it, and it worked.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.41,0:05:22.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It created an object, and the object was sort\Nof, you know, emphatic.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.32,0:05:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no real rules about–for me at least–
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.25,0:05:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how I should proceed, so sometimes, I build\Nreplicas…
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.70,0:05:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when you start building a replica,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.02,0:05:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can get really exciting and technically\Ninteresting and artistically very absorbing
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.07,0:05:45.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make that thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.86,0:05:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Wall] Where are you looking?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.89,0:05:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— My hand, my thumb.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.35,0:05:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Wall] Look at Andrew's face.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.19,0:05:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.39,0:05:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.11,0:05:53.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.61,0:05:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, that's good.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.40,0:05:55.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hold it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.07,0:05:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.75,0:05:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stop.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.53,0:05:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.80,0:06:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stop.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.30,0:06:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing in my pictures is fake.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.67,0:06:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything that you see happening is really\Nhappening.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.31,0:06:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— Action.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.50,0:06:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Camera clicks, flash pops]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.28,0:06:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good one.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.30,0:06:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Camera clicks, flash pops]
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.24,0:06:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.16,0:06:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's really no difference between capturing\Na gesture by accident and capturing a gesture
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.81,0:06:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by design,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.90,0:06:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's not really possible to have fakery\Nin photography, not really.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.61,0:06:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.08,0:06:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think it's very easy to practice any\Nart form very well,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.10,0:06:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so there's no reason why photography should\Nbe easy.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.97,0:07:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's easy to click the shutter.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.66,0:07:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— But they're gonna do a whole run-through first.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.85,0:07:06.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I need you guys on your marks just to\Ndouble-check all the marks before we start.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.65,0:07:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Wall] But bringing things together, however you\Ndo it,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.39,0:07:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is always difficult because the standards\Nare high.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.15,0:07:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— You're standing in a way that doesn't\Nmake you look very tough.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.93,0:07:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.68,0:07:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— Make yourself look like someone who's ready\Nto do something bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.27,0:07:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,—OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.95,0:07:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Wall] I think working with performers, it's always\Nvery collaborative.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.100,0:07:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,—Look it yourself if you want to see yourself\Nup close.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.50,0:07:33.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Wall] They always give me things that I didn't even\Nknow I wanted from them.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.38,0:07:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— Looks good out here.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.19,0:07:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— You look like a sculpture by Michelangelo\Nright now.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.19,0:07:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.88,0:07:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— Which is great.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.40,0:07:49.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,— Action.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.88,0:07:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Camera clicks] Good.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.82,0:07:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's do another one.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.52,0:07:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ready… action.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.34,0:08:05.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Jeff Wall] I've learned that in order to do what I like\Nto do I need to have an open-ended schedule.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.53,0:08:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could take 5 days, could take 10 days,\Nit could take 20 days.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.88,0:08:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't really know.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.00,0:08:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can shoot hundreds of pictures of the\Nsame thing, and one of them's always different
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.48,0:08:21.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from all the others.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.65,0:08:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just is the way it goes,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.19,0:08:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that picture discloses something that\Nwasn't in the plan.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.19,0:08:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was based on things I'd seen from the bringing\Nof a person under the control of others to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.27,0:08:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a place,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.13,0:08:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you see that all over the news.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.26,0:08:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn't happen till discussion has come\Nto an end, and so I added something.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.01,0:08:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He talks.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.18,0:08:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the second thing that happens is the other\None listens.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.56,0:09:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neither of those things is likely to happen\Nin that situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.81,0:09:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Talking is great in photography because it\Ncan't be captured.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.42,0:09:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the elusive element,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.69,0:09:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that shows you the limits of the art form\Nyou're in.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.27,0:09:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love that about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.57,0:09:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It always escapes.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.13,0:09:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[strumming acoustic music]
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.51,0:09:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pictures can never narrate.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.89,0:10:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can only imply a narrative,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.14,0:10:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they can never deliver it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.94,0:10:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what happens is when the viewer's having\Nthat experience what they're really doing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.98,0:10:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is writing the story.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.22,0:10:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're intuiting a narrative for themselves,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.80,0:10:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which not be the same narrative for everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.73,0:10:42.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the title of that picture is "Daybreak\Non an Olive Farm in the Negev, Israel."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.45,0:10:51.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The picture included the Bedouin farm workers,\Nthe olive grove,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.51,0:10:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one of the biggest prisons in Israel.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.82,0:10:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it was a great subject of many things.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.81,0:11:03.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some sleeping under the stars, who were probably\Npoor,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.75,0:11:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and others sleeping in incarceration.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.67,0:11:06.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who knows what they are,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.70,0:11:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there could be thousands of them there.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.19,0:11:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably I identify with those kind of people\Nin some way,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.10,0:11:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think I identify with all the people\NI photograph in some way.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.21,0:11:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think artistically a subject has no connection\Nto the viewer unless the picture creates the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.97,0:11:29.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connection by its artistry,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.65,0:11:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by its beauty.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.67,0:11:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's say you come into the gallery and\Nyou see a picture of a homeless person
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.76,0:11:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you experience it in a way you hadn't\Nexperienced it before
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.34,0:11:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you hadn't seen it in that picture\Nbefore.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.48,0:11:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you will know that the beauty of that\Npicture was caused by that person somehow,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.47,0:11:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as soon as you realize that that subject\Ncan cause that experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.95,0:11:57.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've changed your own relation to that subject.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.71,0:12:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the social value of art, that it does\Nthat not by convincing you of anything,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.52,0:12:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,telling you you should do this, but by giving\Nyou an experience or creating an experience
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.12,0:12:11.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that itself,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.81,0:12:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, alters something.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.68,0:12:19.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.65,0:12:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The mainstream of my work has been a kind\Nof realism because it's devoted to contemplating
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.27,0:12:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,photography as a phenomenon,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.59,0:12:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't want to be obliged to a be a reporter\Nall the time,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.63,0:12:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even a pseudo reporter.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.95,0:12:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Works of pictorial art have to be something\Nthat can be looked at endlessly.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.56,0:12:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Supposing it flashed into my mind this image\Nof the ocean for no reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.84,0:12:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like a daydream or a moment of imagination.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.45,0:13:07.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you have flashes like that, they only\Nlast just an amazingly short time,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.75,0:13:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're gone, but you remember them.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.75,0:13:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They set off a photographic possibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.95,0:13:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, there's something\Ncalled a picture
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.75,0:13:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is there all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.84,0:13:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.76,0:13:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm always searching for that\Npicture, the next one.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.28,0:13:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,♪ ♪
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.00,0:13:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[soft electronic music]