Question.
"Can you explore this topic of fear of men?"
So that's the topic: fear of men.
"Now, if a believer
is free from sin,
how can one feel so dominated
by this particular gripping sin?"
Now, he writes more,
but I'm going to stop right there.
I often get questions that are worded like this.
You say, like what?
I often get somebody that says to me,
"I know I'm a Christian.
Please explain to me how I can be living in sin."
That approach is common.
I know I've been regenerated.
I know I believed.
I know I'm a Christian.
And yet, would you please explain to me
how it is that I can be controlled
by this un-Christian conduct?
Those are the kind of questions
oftentimes that you get.
And it's like, ok, there's a fatal flaw
in logic there.
One of the things is this:
We don't want to just assume we're Christians
and then ask the question -
it's like, I know I'm a Christian,
even though when I look at the Bible,
the things that the Bible says are true about Christians,
I don't see are true in my life. So would you please explain to me?
I know I'm a Christian,
but how is it that my life can be
characterized by un-Christian conduct
when I know I'm a Christian?
(Incomplete thought)
And I would like to turn it around
and say I'd rather you explain to me
how you can be a Christian
when your life is full of un-Christian conduct.
I can't explain that to you,
because I think what's happening is
is you are basically starting out
by a faulty assertion.
You've got a faulty presupposition here
that is making your logic bad
all the way through.
You want to turn the thing around.
What you really want to do is say,
the Bible says that true and legitimate
Christianity looks like this;
ok, now I'm going to examine my own life
in light of what the Bible says
true Christianity looks like.
If I measure up to the standard,
that's a positive thing.
If I don't measure up to the standard,
that may mean I'm in trouble.
That's how you want to reason.
But anyway, we'll go on.
"As with matters of the soul,
a short question is hard to compress everything.
I would like to ask you about
this deplorable sin of fear of man in general.
It takes on many words today,
i.e. social anxiety, man-pleasing,
seeking glory in this world, etc.,
but strangely is not something talked about
much in church.
Some personal context:
I recently discovered that my struggle
to communicate freely with people
without fear for many years
is directly proportionate to my desire
to seek God above all things.
(And that would make sense.)
I hate this sin,
yet in my pleading with God for repentance..."
Can we just stop right there?
God never tells us to plead for repentance.
God tells us to repent.
"I hate this sin, yet in my pleading
with God for repentance
and looking to Christ, it seems
I am only seeking to be cured from such sin -
the burden of anxiety, without wanting
more of God.
How can this be?"
Again, he's asking me questions
about how can this be.
"I struggle in wondering how can such
an odious sin be present in a believer's life."
You see, there's that bad logic again.
"How is it true repentance
if every day is just a repetitive struggle
to turn away from this?"
Well, it's not.
(incomplete thought)
He's asking how can it be true repentance
as though the first assumption is
it is true repentance.
Well, the reality is
he's describing that which is not
characteristic of true repentance.
"In conclusion, it really is exhausting.
Never have I felt so dominated and controlled
by any sin as this.
It pains me that this is bigger than
the God I profess to believe in.
Never also have I felt so helpless,
like one who does not know Christ.
Yes, it makes me question assurance deeply."
And it should.
And so in the end, it sounds like
his thinking is somewhat on the right track.
"But in all this, thank you and James
for reading this."
(incomplete thought)
So the end is thankfulness.
But let's talk about this.
Aside from his making certain assumptions
which are backwards,
(incomplete thought).
Let's do a bit of a theology of the fear of God.
Anybody think of any texts
that deal with the fear of God?
Or, being a man-pleaser?
Or, anything of that sort?
(from the room) Matthew 10:28
Tim: Matthew 10:28
Do you have it right there?
"And do not fear those who kill the body,
but cannot kill the soul.
Rather fear Him who can destroy
both soul and body in hell."
Then He goes on to say,
"Fear not, therefore, you are
of more value than many sparrows."
Tim: Anybody think of any others?
(from the room)
The beginning of wisdom.
Proverbs 1:7?
"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge."
Tim: We're talking about the fear of man.
(from the room)
"Whoever confesses Me before men..."
Tim: "Whoever confesses Me before men..."
That's an interesting one.
Proverbs 29:25
That's a big one.
Why don't you quote that?
"The fear of man lays a snare,
but whoever trusts in the Lord is safe."
Tim: The fear of man lays a snare.
(incomplete thought)
I often think of a text
very close to the beginning of Isaiah.
It's in Isaiah 2 that has to do with this.
Anybody know the text I'm talking about?
(from the room) Verse 22,
"Stop regarding man
in whose nostrils is breath,
for what account is he..."
Tim: I remember Paul Washer
preaching on that text.
Stop regarding man.
Another one that jumps to my mind
is this one:
It's found in John 5.
And this is very helpful.
Because what Jesus says is,
He looks at the leaders there.
You remember, He's been seeking
to make the case for Himself being the Christ,
and He's putting all this proof;
all these witnesses before the people.
And He says, "I say these things so that
you might be saved."
But as He's getting toward the end of the chapter there,
He says this:
"How can you believe..." who do what?
Seek the glory of men.
Receive honor from one another
and not the glory or the honor
that comes from God.
Here's the thing,
how can you believe...?
you know what?
It is an issue of faith.
It is an issue of believing,
if you really think about the fear of man.
How do we overcome the fear of man?
Faith.
What is it that you believe?
(from the room)
That you are of more value than the sparrows.
Tim: Well, if you think about Jesus' words
that you ought not to fear those
who can kill the body only
and then there's nothing more they can do to you,
but fear Him who can what?
The idea is you're comparing God and people.
Even when you think about Peter
before the Sanhedrin.
We ought to obey God rather than man.
Now man will put pressure on you to obey him.
The issue is this,
that you fear him most
whose approval you seek most.
That's a reality.
If you seek the glory of man,
then you fear man's disapproval
more than anything else.
And that's a real issue.
And see, what Jesus is doing is
He's confronting us with the truth.
It really has to come down with what you believe.
You know, I remember situations
when I worked as an engineer.
I remember having meetings with my department.
I remember being in a meeting
and I remember guys telling
some bad joke or something,
and I remember being in that situation.
And right there, it's:
Am I going to honor God or am I going to laugh at these guys?
Am I going to make these guys feel uncomfortable
by the way I respond right now,
or am I going to seek God's approval?
Is it their approval or God's approval?
And what happens is the scales come out.
Instantaneously, they come out.
Whose approval do I seek most?
Now a lot of that has to do with
do you really believe God is right here?
Do you believe He's right with you?
Do you believe He's watching?
Do you believe that there's an accounting?
Do you believe that there's an approval?
Do you believe that you can grieve Him?
Do you believe that if you seek man's approval,
you're going to grieve the Spirit?
(incomplete thought)
Do you really believe those things?
That doesn't mean there isn't fear.
The thing about fearing God more than
fearing man doesn't mean
that the fear of man goes away,
but it means that when you're confronted by it,
God gives you a courage
to do the right thing
and to believe the right thing
and to believe that He is worth
having the approval of more than man is.
But it really comes down to
you have to be convinced;
you have to believe that reality
when you're confronted with it.
Look, I don't know anybody -
maybe some of you can raise your hand and say you know what,
I really don't care what any man
or any woman or any child thinks of me
in any scenario at all.
I care not at all.
I doubt there's any like that.
Why?
We're social creatures.
We do like the approval of man.
You know what the thing is?
We like to be liked.
And that's one thing that makes it hard
about becoming a Christian,
because you're thrown into a situation -
I'll tell you, this is one of the tell-tale signs
of true Christianity -
is when men and women
claim they've been saved
and you throw them (incomplete thought).
This tends to be such a hallmark
of the hypocrite.
They're man-pleasers.
The hypocrite is a man-pleaser.
He appears holy in certain situations,
because you're watching him.
And he wants to appease you.
But I'll tell you, you take him
and you throw him on a bar stool,
and he'll appease the people there.
You throw him in the workplace,
and you have a guy tell a dirty joke at work,
he'll appease.
I remember Craig telling the story
about checking out a piece of machinery
from a tool crib - a tool of some kind
he was checking out.
And the guy there used the Lord's name in vain,
and Craig said something to him
about not using the name of the Lord thy God in vain,
and the guy went off on him.
Craig was shocked how badly the guy
went off on him.
And that's the thing.
Sometimes people will go off on you.
Or sometimes you'll just be shunned.
Sometimes you'll be the outcast.
Sometimes it's just the smirk on people's faces.
Sometimes it's just not being included anymore.
See, it all comes down to,
you know what?
I want the approval of my Lord
more than I want their approval.
And that's really the issue.
It tests - to the hilt -
it tests what we believe.
It's powerful.
And there in John 5, that's the issue.
Jesus said I don't seek the glory of man.
And that really needs to be the place
we as Christians are.
Yes, there's a place to seek approval
in the sense that
you know, you want to be a good worker at work.
But you know what, when your boss
wants you to do something wrong?
My brother-in-law Rick,
his boss wanted him to cheat
on the item list/inventory
on these shipments that come in
on these pallets,
and he resigned.
I'm not doing it.
His boss told him, "you are going to do it."
There was a time they had to take inventory
on something and his boss had been
wrongly inventorying things for a long time,
and he told Rick, you are going to do it.
And Rick said I'm not going to do it.
This is where we get put to it.
How can you believe?
See, that's the thing.
What's Jesus saying there?
Think about those words.
How can you believe
when you seek the glory of man?
(unintelligible)
It's like loving God and money.
They're conflicting loves.
They're conflicting interests.
(Incomplete thought)
It's like, ok, I'm there in the engineering meeting,
and a guy says something that's wicked,
and everybody else is laughing.
How am I going to respond?
(incomplete thought)
Where's my love?
What is it that I desire most here?
And Jesus talked about it.
Eric brought up the text.
Before men - what we do before men.
How we proclaim Christ.
How we testify to Him.
How we stand for Him before men.
That's a real issue.
And it comes down to the truth.
It comes down to what you believe.
That's really the issue.
(from the room)
I also think it comes back
to the validity of the walk.
I was talking about earlier today
Luke 22
and how Christ commanded Peter to pray,
and he slept instead,
which led him to follow at a distance,
and following after that,
he denied the Lord before a servant.
And I think it just goes back to
our personal walk with the Lord
on a daily basis.
If we don't have that intact,
there's no power going forth
in the workplace or at school
or at Walmart or wherever we're at.
I mean, I've seen significant difference
in my own walk when there's days
where I've spent little time in the Word,
and I go to work
and face the same situation
where I'm denying the Lord in a certain way.
Versus on another day when I spent
quality time with Christ,
and then go to work,
face the same trials and the same temptations,
but I overcome it.
So I think it just comes back to
your daily walk with the Lord.
Tim: Well, if we think about this
being a matter of faith -
faith comes by hearing the Word of Christ.
There's a reality that when a person
is prayerfully in the Word
and then he goes off into this world,
the Spirit grips people's minds with truth.
That truth is prevalent.
It's before your eyes.
It's there. It's fresh.
The Spirit makes it so.
And it tends to be powerful.
And it's not like Christians don't hesitate,
but you know, when the Word is fresh
and it's there and it's vivid,
it's constraining - it's compelling.
Yeah, you're not going to do well
in this battle if you're not in the Word
and your faith isn't being constantly
stirred by the Word, by the Spirit of God
using the Word in your life.
One more before we end.
(from the room)
(unintelligible) make a distinction
for, say a new convert may get confused on this,
but like in Galatians 1:10 it says,
if I'm still trying to please man,
I would not be a servant of Christ.
But then in 1 Corinthians 10,
Paul says I try to please everyone
in everything I do.
Now, he says not seeking my own advantage,
but some new Christian, they read 1 Corinthians 10,
and it says I try to please everyone.
And then in Galatians 1:10,
it says if I'm trying to please man,
I'm not a servant of Christ.
I think you kind of already hit on this,
but what's the big difference there
between both of those verses
in what Paul's saying?
Tim: Well, obviously, there's a time
to please God when it offends men.
And then there's a time
to make sacrifices for the sake of
proclaiming the Gospel which pleases God
and pleases the men that you're preaching to.
For instance, when you think of Paul
addressing the Corinthians,
he did things like not accept money
to please men -
to put men in a place where
he wasn't creating a stumbling block.
Basically, when he's talking about
pleasing man in that case,
he's not talking about pleasing them
while he's disobeying God.
He's talking about pleasing them in a way
that pleases God, because it promotes
the Gospel.
And basically, are we not told
that as much as possible we should
live at peace with all men?
That is a way that God is pleased with
as we're seeking to live with man in peace
as much as possible.
But what happens is we get confronted
by situations where the two are in conflict -
pleasing God or pleasing man.
They're not consistent.
And when they butt heads -
when it's pleasing God or pleasing man
and you can't do both,
that's where Jesus is saying
that you need to testify of Him before men,
and you need to proclaim Him before men.
You need to stand for what's right before men.
And you need to not fear man.
The issue is this:
when pleasing God brings the scowl of a man,
or even brings the sword,
where they can kill your body.
(incomplete thought)
You know, in all of it,
you want your eyes on the Lord.
Ok, what pleases You?
Does pleasing You please my parents?
I mean, pleasing You is pleasing my parents right now, Lord?
Yes. Ok, I'm going to please my parents.
My parents are happy.
(incomplete thought)
What it means to be a Christian
and to obey the Lord is making my parents happy.
But He also said He's bringing a sword.
There's times I look to Him and He says you need to go to the left.
And it's like, ok, I look at my parents
and they're scowling because they don't want me
to go to the left, but I look at the Lord
and He's saying go left.
Ok, I go left.
Now the sword comes in the family
and there's division.
But see, all the time my eyes are on the Lord.
That's what Paul's talking about.
Paul's talking about, ok, his eyes are on the Lord,
when it has to do with what's being encountered
over there in the Galatian churches,
you've got Judaizers who are in opposition
to the truth of God and the Gospel of God,
and he's going to stand for the Gospel
even though it offends all these other people.
Now in another case, with the Corinthians,
it's a matter of - to not make any obstacle
for the Gospel, I'm not going to take any money
when I preach the Gospel.
And God's pleased with that too.
My eyes are on the Lord.
And so, when following the Lord
is going to put me in opposition to men,
so be it.
When following the Lord is going to put me at peace with all men,
so be it.
Some seasons are going to be one.
There are times He will make our enemies
to be at peace with us.
And there are other times that
even the closest people will be at war with us.
And we just have to keep our eyes on the Lord all the time.
That's another reason we need to be in His Word.
We need that Word.
We need to be renewing our minds
with that Word all the time.
All the time.
Because everything about this world -
this world is given to man-pleasing.
And if you're not constantly in the Scriptures;
constantly in the Word;
constantly renewing your mind,
you just end up thinking worldly.
And the worldly way is to please.
It's to dress to please.
It's to act to please.
It's to put on a show to please.
It's to get the applause.
It's to get the smile.
It's to get the approbation of mankind.
That's what the world does.
And even more, it's to get the jealousy
of other people.
It's to get the envy of other people.
It's to outdo other people
so that they admire you
and they want what you have
and they covet what you have
and they covet your spouse
and they covet your house
and they covet your vehicle.
It's just living with this mindset all the time
of other people, other people, other people.
I mean, even as a preacher,
it's like, ok, this thing can hit you
at any level.
You're going into the pulpit.
Is my primary objective: I want to please the Lord?
You look at men.
There's lots of preachers that preach
the way they do because
that guy might not give as much.
They might leave the church.
At every level, we're confronted by this.