[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.00,0:00:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.58,0:00:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(barking) Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.60,0:00:34.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, thank you. Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.10,0:00:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.10,0:00:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no. Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.10,0:00:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.10,0:00:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Venga. Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.60,0:00:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,¿Quieren un poquito de agua? Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.11,0:00:41.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Me... Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.61,0:00:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Me llamo Charles Darwin Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.11,0:00:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,y él Captain FitzRoy. Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.61,0:00:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Me soy naturalista. Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.62,0:00:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,¿Hay hueso? Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.62,0:00:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,¿Hueso? Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.12,0:00:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bones. Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.12,0:00:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sí, hueso, hueso. Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.62,0:00:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,¿Sí? ¿Hueso gigante? Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.12,0:01:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,¿Aquí? Here? Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.63,0:01:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aquí estan los huesos. Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.13,0:01:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: FitzRoy! Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.63,0:01:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FITZROY: A flood washed down part of a bank of earth. Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.63,0:01:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mi hijo le pegó con una piedra Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.14,0:01:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,y le sacó los dientes. Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.64,0:01:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Por eso que se caí tan afuera. Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.14,0:01:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was perfect, but the boys knocked out some of the teeth Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.14,0:01:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throwing stones at it. Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.64,0:01:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How much? Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.64,0:01:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,¿Cuánto cuesta? Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.15,0:01:26.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(conversation continues) Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.65,0:01:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder why these creatures no longer exist. Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.66,0:01:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps the ark was too small Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.16,0:01:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to allow them entry Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.16,0:01:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they perished in the flood. Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.16,0:01:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.66,0:01:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is there to laugh at? Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.16,0:01:40.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing, nothing. Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.67,0:01:43.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you mock me, or the Bible? Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.17,0:01:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neither. Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.17,0:01:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What sort of clergyman will you be, Mr. Darwin? Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.18,0:01:52.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dreadful. Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.18,0:01:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dreadful. Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.18,0:02:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FITZROY: "And God said, 'Let the waters bring forth abundantly Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.69,0:02:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"'the moving creature that hath life Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.69,0:02:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"'and fowl that may fly above the earth Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.19,0:02:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"in the open firmament of heaven.' Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.20,0:02:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"And God created great whales Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.20,0:02:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and every living creature that moveth..." Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.20,0:02:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello. Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.70,0:02:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FITZROY: "...which the waters brought forth..." Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.71,0:02:20.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are you doing here? Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.71,0:02:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why such beauty where no one can see? Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.71,0:02:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(FitzRoy continues scriptural reading) Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.72,0:02:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't have been blown here. Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.72,0:02:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FITZROY: "And God saw that it was good." Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.73,0:02:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: If I were to give a prize Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.23,0:02:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the single best idea anybody ever had Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.74,0:02:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd give it to Darwin for the idea of natural selection... Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.74,0:02:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ahead of Newton, ahead of Einstein Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.24,0:02:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because his idea unites Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.74,0:03:00.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the two most disparate features of our universe: Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.75,0:03:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world of purposeless, meaningless matter and motion Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.75,0:03:07.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the one side Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.75,0:03:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the world of meaning and purpose and design on the other. Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.26,0:03:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He understood that what he was proposing Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.26,0:03:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a truly revolutionary idea. Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.77,0:03:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: The Darwinian revolution Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.78,0:03:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is about who we are, Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.78,0:03:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's what we're made of, it's what our life means Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.78,0:03:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,insofar as science can answer that question. Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.78,0:03:43.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it, in many ways, was the singularly deepest Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.79,0:03:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most discombobulating of all discoveries Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.79,0:03:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that science has ever made. Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.80,0:03:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: In Darwin's day, the idea of evolution was regarded Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.30,0:03:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as highly unorthodox Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.30,0:03:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it went against all of natural history Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.81,0:04:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Great Britain. Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.31,0:04:03.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It jeopardized the standing of science; Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.81,0:04:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it did jeopardize the standing of a stable society, the Bible Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.31,0:04:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the church as well. Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.32,0:04:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin kept his thoughts to himself for many years Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.32,0:04:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and agonized over the problem. Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.82,0:04:20.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it ever got out that he was doing something Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.83,0:04:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that ran slap counter to established science Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.33,0:04:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would ruin his career, ruin his reputation. Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.33,0:05:22.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a respectable man with a dangerous theory. Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.39,0:05:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: Did you never get your sea legs? Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.89,0:05:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not once in five years. Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.39,0:05:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever the sea was up Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.89,0:05:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so was the contents of my stomach. Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.90,0:05:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a delightful thought. Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.40,0:05:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should be able to squeeze 400 a year Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.40,0:05:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of the governor. Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.40,0:05:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? What has he said? Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.90,0:05:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hasn't said anything, but I've seen it Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.90,0:05:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his eyes, the way he pored over your letters. Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.91,0:05:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A very proud father. Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.41,0:05:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I told him you were going to publish Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.41,0:05:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a journal of your travels. Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.41,0:05:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a definite flicker of interest. Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.41,0:05:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Publish? Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.41,0:05:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, of course. Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.92,0:05:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No country parsonage for you, my boy. Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.42,0:05:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're under my wing now. Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.92,0:05:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll take charge of your affairs; Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.92,0:05:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,introduce you to all my clever, witty friends. Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.92,0:05:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trade on your... your celebrity. Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.92,0:05:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Celebrity? Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.93,0:06:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certainly! Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.93,0:06:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone wants to meet you, Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.93,0:06:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hear stories of naked Tahitian women Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.93,0:06:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and giant sloths or whatever. Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.93,0:06:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(bird cawing) Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.94,0:06:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Captain FitzRoy! Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.44,0:06:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is my brother, Erasmus. Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.94,0:06:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Darwin. Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.94,0:06:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Captain. Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.44,0:06:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good God! Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.45,0:06:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A man can collect a lot of rubbish in five years. Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.95,0:06:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a wonder you didn't sink the ship, Charles. Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.45,0:06:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Named, I take it, after your grandfather? Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.96,0:06:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, and an uncle... Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.46,0:06:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who drowned himself in the River Derwent. Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.96,0:06:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And are you a free thinker like him? Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.96,0:06:46.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm more of a free drinker, really. Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.97,0:06:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how was the voyage for you, Captain? Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.98,0:06:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not for me to say. Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.98,0:06:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No? Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.98,0:06:56.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,40 views of the coast as seen from the sea Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.48,0:06:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,80 plans of harbors and 82 coastal maps, Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.48,0:07:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all for the Hydrographic Department of the Admiralty. Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.99,0:07:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bravo. Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.49,0:07:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dinner at sea must have been a jolly affair. Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.99,0:07:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here... from the Galapagos Islands. Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.50,0:07:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Puma roasted over an open fire... Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.50,0:07:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather like veal. Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.00,0:07:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.50,0:07:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Armadillo, roasted in its shell... a lot like duck. Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.51,0:07:24.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tortoise, of course. Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.01,0:07:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chuckling) Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.01,0:07:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course. Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.51,0:07:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of them weigh as much as 500 pounds. Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.02,0:07:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One I measured was 96 inches around the waist. Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.52,0:07:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If one of them ever needs a suit of clothes Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.52,0:07:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must send it to father's tailor. Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.52,0:07:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(all laughing) Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.52,0:07:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What else? Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.02,0:07:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Llama, ostrich... Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.03,0:07:42.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People wonder how it is Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.53,0:07:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some animals come to be extinct. Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.53,0:07:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have the answer: eaten by Charlie Darwin. Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.03,0:07:51.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(all laughing) Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.54,0:07:54.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: You look as though you're going to the scaffold! Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.54,0:07:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dignity! Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.04,0:07:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Poise! Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.54,0:07:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Smile! Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.04,0:08:01.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember, all eyes are on you. Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.05,0:08:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The judging has begun. Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.55,0:08:05.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. President... Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.05,0:08:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my lords, ladies and gentlemen... Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.55,0:08:08.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no, no! Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.55,0:08:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Start with a bang. Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.06,0:08:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Men of Athens! Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.56,0:08:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What? Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.56,0:08:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Friends, Romans, countrymen! Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.06,0:08:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That sort of thing. Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.56,0:08:20.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right. Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.57,0:08:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't do this. Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.07,0:08:23.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, you can. Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.07,0:08:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You mustn't let the fact Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.57,0:08:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that every leading geologist in the land will be there Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.07,0:08:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put you off. Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.07,0:08:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, God! Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.08,0:08:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, let me hear an interesting bit. Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.58,0:08:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There aren't any. Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.08,0:08:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The earthquake. Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.08,0:08:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, stand still. Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.08,0:08:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And don't wave your arms around like that. Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.58,0:08:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Leave your tie alone. Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.09,0:08:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't squint. Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.59,0:08:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And speak up! Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.59,0:08:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The earthquake ran for 400 miles along the coast Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.10,0:08:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accompanied by the simultaneous eruption of a line of volcanoes. Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.60,0:09:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We found fresh mussel beds lying above high tide Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.11,0:09:06.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the shellfish all dead. Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.11,0:09:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The land had risen eight feet. Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.12,0:09:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mountains must be the product Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.62,0:09:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of thousands and thousands of such rises Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.12,0:09:18.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,occurring again and again throughout history. Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.12,0:09:22.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even at the very crest of the Andes Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.100,0:09:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we found marine remains... Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.50,0:09:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fossilized shells of creatures Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.50,0:09:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that once crawled about at the bottom of the sea Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.01,0:09:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elevated nearly 14,000 feet above its level. Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.52,0:09:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Time... Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.52,0:09:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unimaginable tracts of time... Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.52,0:09:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the key. Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.52,0:09:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Erasmus applauding) Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.53,0:09:56.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(others join in enthusiastically) Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.03,0:09:59.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MEN: Bravo! Bravo! Well done! Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.03,0:10:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Darwin, splendid. Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.53,0:10:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thank you very much. Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.04,0:10:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Congratulations. Dialogue: 0,0:10:06.54,0:10:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Interesting paper. Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.54,0:10:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.04,0:10:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where have you placed your fossil specimens? Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.04,0:10:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was thinking of the British Museum. Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.54,0:10:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah... you're happy to have them languish Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.05,0:10:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some dusty Bloomsbury cellar? Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.05,0:10:18.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, not at all. Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.55,0:10:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'd better let me look over them for you then. Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.55,0:10:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll let you know. Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.56,0:10:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.56,0:10:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pompous oaf. Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.56,0:10:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who does he think he is? Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.06,0:10:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He thinks he's Richard Owen Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.06,0:10:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most brilliant anatomist in Europe. Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.06,0:10:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you're Erasmus Darwin's little brother. Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.06,0:10:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin of the Beagle Darwin! Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.57,0:10:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lord it while you can. Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.07,0:10:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to lord it. Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.07,0:10:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Liar. Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.08,0:10:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a brilliant red! Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.08,0:10:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brighter than the actual plumage. Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.08,0:10:55.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I try to allow for the loss of color Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.09,0:10:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that comes with death. Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.59,0:10:58.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you do this Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.09,0:10:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with my Galapagos birds? Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.59,0:11:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't finished identifying them yet, Mr. Darwin. Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.10,0:11:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do know that your "wren" is a finch. Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.60,0:11:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your "grosbeak" is a finch. Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.60,0:11:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even your blackbird is a finch. Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.60,0:11:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're unique, all new, never described before. Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.61,0:11:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's even evidence that there are Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.61,0:11:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,separate species for each Galapagos island. Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.61,0:11:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I didn't label mine by island. Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.61,0:11:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't label them by island? Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.62,0:11:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FITZROY: Why do you want them? Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.12,0:11:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Why, I told you. Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.12,0:11:35.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I failed to label mine by island. Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.13,0:11:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I mean, why are the birds I collected Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.63,0:11:39.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suddenly of such interest to you? Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.63,0:11:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The vice governor of the Galapagos told me Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.13,0:11:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he could identify which island a tortoise came from Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.14,0:11:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by its markings. Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.64,0:11:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, yes... small variations are possible Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.64,0:11:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from island to island. Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.64,0:11:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adaptations to climates and so on. Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.14,0:11:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but the islands all have the same climate. Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.65,0:11:57.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My expert, John Gould, tells me he's found Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.15,0:11:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different species of finches. Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.65,0:12:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if these finches were blown to the Galapagos Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.15,0:12:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from South America Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.66,0:12:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then began to change, adapt, if you will... Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.16,0:12:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become more and more different from their ancestors Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.16,0:12:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generation after generation? Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.66,0:12:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First into varieties, then into new species Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.66,0:12:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each new species marooned on its own island. Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.17,0:12:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are you talking about? Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.67,0:12:19.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What if the finches were blown to the Galapagos"! Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.67,0:12:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God put those creatures there. Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.17,0:12:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That makes no sense. Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.68,0:12:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why would God put different birds Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.18,0:12:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on almost identical islands? Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.18,0:12:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea. Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.68,0:12:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not a question that requires an answer. Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.18,0:12:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Species were commanded into existence by God. Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.19,0:12:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are perfect forms Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.69,0:12:38.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they've been perfect since the day of Creation. Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.69,0:12:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's divine law, God's will. Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.20,0:12:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll see to it that your expert receives my birds. Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.70,0:12:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.70,0:13:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's God you should give thanks to. Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.22,0:13:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on! Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.72,0:13:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tonight, and for one night only, ladies and gentlemen Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.72,0:13:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a guided tour of Charles Darwin's Boneyard. Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.23,0:13:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shh! Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.23,0:13:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for goodness' sake, hurry up! Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.73,0:13:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.73,0:13:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OWEN: This is a large, extinct Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.73,0:13:23.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,llamalike creature... Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.74,0:13:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(observers murmur) Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.24,0:13:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is a giant ground sloth Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.24,0:13:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovered by Mr. Darwin at Punta Alta. Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.25,0:13:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lastly... Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.75,0:13:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The remains of Mr. Darwin's breakfast. Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.25,0:13:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This skull belongs to a huge rodent... Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.26,0:13:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(observers exclaiming) Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.26,0:13:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a relative of the South American capybara. Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.76,0:13:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that's the size of a rat Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.26,0:13:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imagine how big the cats must have been. Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.26,0:13:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.77,0:14:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have named it Toxodon. Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.78,0:14:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thank you, Professor Owen Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.28,0:14:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for identifying and describing Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.28,0:14:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the extraordinary array of fossils discovered by Mr. Darwin Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.79,0:14:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on his voyage to South America. Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.29,0:14:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We allow the planets and the Sun Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.29,0:14:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be governed by natural laws Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.29,0:14:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the smallest insect Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.80,0:14:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we wish to be created by a special act of God. Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.80,0:14:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Surely the creation of life has to be explained Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.80,0:14:31.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same way as geology Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.80,0:14:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using natural, ordinary, everyday causes. Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.31,0:14:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, in theory, yes. Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.81,0:14:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in practice Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.81,0:14:37.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there can be no question Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.81,0:14:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the prime cause: Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.81,0:14:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,divine will. Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.81,0:14:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shouldn't men of science be free to investigate Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.82,0:14:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each and every means Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.82,0:14:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by which new species come into being? Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.82,0:14:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If by that you mean wild accusations Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.32,0:14:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about man's ancestry Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.82,0:14:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the answer is no. Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.82,0:14:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To destroy man's unique status Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.82,0:14:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to open the floodgates to anarchy. Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.33,0:14:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You might just as well Dialogue: 0,0:14:56.83,0:15:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throw muskets to the rabble. Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.83,0:15:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: People like Owen think Dialogue: 0,0:15:02.84,0:15:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if there was no Church of England Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.84,0:15:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cucumbers wouldn't grow. Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.84,0:15:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the globe has undergone Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.84,0:15:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such profound changes Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.84,0:15:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in its history, geologically Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.35,0:15:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then surely all living creatures Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.35,0:15:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,must have changed with it Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.85,0:15:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to adapt to their new conditions. Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.35,0:15:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise they would have perished. Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.36,0:15:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some did perish, it seems. Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.36,0:15:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but the continued existence of life on Earth Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.36,0:15:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can only be explained by the assumption Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.87,0:15:38.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a creature like this was replaced Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.37,0:15:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the modern-day armadillo. Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.38,0:15:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There must be a law Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.88,0:15:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which causes new species to appear Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.88,0:15:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in place of the extinct ones. Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.38,0:15:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, that, my boy, is the mystery of mysteries. Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.89,0:15:59.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The person who can solve that riddle Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.39,0:16:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will take all of the scientific prizes. Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.40,0:16:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GOULD: It's the variety of their beaks that's so amazing. Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.40,0:16:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They graduate perfectly in size. Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.41,0:16:21.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From this large parrot-like beak similar to a hawfinch Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.91,0:16:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perfectly designed for cracking nuts Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.92,0:16:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this tiny warbler finch Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.42,0:16:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fine as a chaffinch Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.42,0:16:31.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to feed on insects. Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.92,0:16:36.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they're all descended from this one: Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.43,0:16:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the common ground finch. Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.44,0:16:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've started to prepare some color plates. Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.44,0:16:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll put my words to shame. Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.44,0:16:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ras? Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.44,0:16:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ras! Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.94,0:16:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh. Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.44,0:16:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ras. Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.45,0:16:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wake up! Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.95,0:16:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What time is it? Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.95,0:16:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lunch time. Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.95,0:17:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(groans) Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.95,0:17:01.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, then go away Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.95,0:17:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and come back at tea time. Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.96,0:17:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Galapagos Islands are almost identical, Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.96,0:17:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same geology, the same climate. Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.96,0:17:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm glad to hear it. Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.46,0:17:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now go away. Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.46,0:17:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why should different finches Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.46,0:17:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inhabit identical islands? Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.97,0:17:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ras? Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.47,0:17:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(groans) Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.47,0:17:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Small changes over ages and ages Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.47,0:17:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can throw up mountain ranges Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.98,0:17:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and sink continents. Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.48,0:17:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If mountains can move Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.48,0:17:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and rivers can move Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.98,0:17:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then why can't animals? Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.48,0:17:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finches. Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.98,0:17:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tortoises. Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.99,0:17:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Iguanas. Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.99,0:17:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you trace animals Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.99,0:17:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,across the surface of the earth Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.99,0:17:41.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or dig down and trace them back through time Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.49,0:17:42.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you come face to face Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.100,0:17:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the same truth. Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.50,0:17:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is? Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.50,0:17:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,New beings can appear on the earth. Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.01,0:18:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps everything is part Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.51,0:18:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of one ancestral chain. Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.95,0:18:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man... mouse... armadillo. Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.46,0:18:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.46,0:18:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's nonsense to think of animals or man Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.97,0:18:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as climbing some ladder... Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.47,0:18:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to talk of one animal Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.97,0:18:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being higher than another. Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.48,0:18:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.48,0:18:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.98,0:18:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think... it's more like a tree. Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.49,0:18:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A tree of life. Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.49,0:18:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each new species Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.49,0:18:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,springs from the parent tree like a shoot. Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.50,0:18:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These shoots branch and divide in their turn Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.00,0:19:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so on and so on. Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.00,0:19:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some branches die out; Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.01,0:19:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,others keep developing. Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.01,0:19:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The trunk, the ancient common ancestor. Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.52,0:19:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The stock... Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.02,0:19:17.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the stock from which all animals and plants sprang. Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.52,0:19:21.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Nurs'd by warm sun-beams in primeval caves Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.53,0:19:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Organic life began beneath the waves Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.53,0:19:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hence, without parent by spontaneous birth Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.04,0:19:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rise the first steps of animated Earth." Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.04,0:19:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Grandfather's Zoonomia. Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.55,0:19:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Would it be too bold to imagine Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.55,0:19:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"that all warm-blooded animals have arisen Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.05,0:19:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from one living filament?" Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.56,0:19:53.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's in our blood, Charles. Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.06,0:19:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And grandfather was vilified for it. Dialogue: 0,0:19:55.06,0:20:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's in our blood. Dialogue: 0,0:20:08.57,0:20:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: What Charles Darwin glimpsed over 150 years ago Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.58,0:20:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is now the bedrock of biology: Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.58,0:20:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All forms of life on Earth have evolved Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.08,0:20:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a single, branching tree of life. Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.60,0:20:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: One of the most important ideas that Darwin had was Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.11,0:20:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all living things on Earth were related. Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.11,0:20:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can you realize Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.61,0:20:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you are part of this single tree of life Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.12,0:20:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not be fundamentally moved by that? Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.62,0:21:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's... it's something that stirs the soul. Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.13,0:21:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Following in Darwin's path Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.13,0:21:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,biologist Chris Schneider and his colleagues Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.13,0:21:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have come to South America to a remote region of Ecuador Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.14,0:21:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,near the base of the Andes Mountains. Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.64,0:21:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The rain forest may be home to more species of animals Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.14,0:21:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than anywhere else on Earth. Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.15,0:21:27.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin had been awestruck by its endless variety of life. Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.65,0:21:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wrote that he felt like a blind man being given sight Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.66,0:21:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that the sounds of the rain forest were Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.66,0:21:46.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a great cathedral at Evensong. Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.67,0:21:48.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For biologists today Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.17,0:21:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the lowland rain forest and the nearby Andes Mountains Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.68,0:21:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are laboratories for exploring Darwin's ideas. Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.18,0:22:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chirps) Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.19,0:22:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did he bite you? Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.19,0:22:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Over the next several days Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.19,0:22:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Schneider's team will track down rats and frogs Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.70,0:22:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bats, birds and lizards through day and night Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.70,0:22:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both here in the rain forest and high up in the mountains. Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.21,0:22:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By comparing the two groups of animals Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.21,0:22:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they hope to better understand Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.21,0:22:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how changing environments might trigger Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.22,0:22:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the evolution of new species. Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.72,0:22:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCHNEIDER: You just can't help but be awestruck by the fact Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.72,0:22:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there are so many different kinds of things here. Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.22,0:22:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are 12 species of primates. Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.73,0:22:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are 550 species of birds that have been identified here. Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.73,0:22:50.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are 100 species of frogs right here in this little area. Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.24,0:22:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(low conversation) Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.74,0:23:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCHNEIDER: Why is there such diversity here? Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.75,0:23:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got some good stuff. Dialogue: 0,0:23:07.25,0:23:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughs) Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.75,0:23:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got a mindblower or two. Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.76,0:23:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: Did you? Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.76,0:23:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN 2: I'll show you this one. Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.26,0:23:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Ornithologist Tom Smith wants to compare the size of birds' beaks Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.76,0:23:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the rain forest Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.26,0:23:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with those he hopes to find in the mountains. Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.27,0:23:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(bird squeaking) Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.27,0:23:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even subtle differences may offer clues Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.27,0:23:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how and why new species arise Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.28,0:23:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as it was the beaks of finches Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.28,0:23:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the nearby Galapagos Islands Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.78,0:23:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that spurred Darwin's thinking in the 1830s. Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.29,0:23:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin saw that the finches he brought back Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.79,0:23:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had uniquely shaped beaks Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.30,0:23:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adapted to the different foods on the islands. Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.80,0:23:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He envisioned that these different species of finch Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.30,0:24:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had all descended (with modifications) Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.81,0:24:03.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a common ancestral population Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.31,0:24:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that had flown over from the mainland. Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.31,0:24:12.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's bold insight was to apply this vision Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.82,0:24:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to all of life Dialogue: 0,0:24:14.32,0:24:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see that the great variety of life on Earth, Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.82,0:24:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leopards and lichens, minnows and whales Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.83,0:24:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flowering plants and flatworms, apes and human beings, Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.34,0:24:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all descended from one root, one common ancestor. Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.84,0:24:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: It was indeed another one of his radical proposals Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.84,0:24:42.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only to say that evolution happened Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.85,0:24:45.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that there was a root of common ancestry Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.35,0:24:48.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to everything that lived on this planet, including us. Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.35,0:24:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could construe it in other ways Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.86,0:24:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, as I like to say, are more user-friendly. Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.86,0:24:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could have thought Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.86,0:24:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, God had several independent lineages Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.36,0:24:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they were all moving in certain preordained directions Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.86,0:25:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which pleased His sense of how a uniform and harmonious world Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.37,0:25:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ought to be put together. Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.87,0:25:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Darwin says, "No, it's just history all coming Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.37,0:25:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with descent, with modification, from a single common ancestry." Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.38,0:25:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The key to Darwin's thought in every realm is Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.88,0:25:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that given enough time and innumerable small events Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.38,0:25:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything can take place by the laws of nature. Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.89,0:25:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So whether it's the raising of mountains Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.89,0:25:31.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the evolution of new species Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.90,0:25:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of these things happen through time and change. Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.40,0:25:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: The rain forest holds striking examples. Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.41,0:25:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCHNEIDER: Take a look at this mantis here. Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.41,0:25:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This thing is almost perfectly disguised as a leaf Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.92,0:25:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can see, if you look at the underside Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.42,0:25:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's a praying mantis Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.92,0:25:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like you'd find in a garden in North America. Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.92,0:26:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this one is highly modified. Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.93,0:26:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Its thorax is flattened out to look like a leaf Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.93,0:26:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its wings are modified to look like leaves. Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.93,0:26:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can even see the veins. Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.94,0:26:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you imagined a population of mantises Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.94,0:26:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some looked more like leaves than others Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.44,0:26:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those ones that look like leaves may tend to survive Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.44,0:26:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reproduce more than others. Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.94,0:26:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so a series of modifications could build up over time Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.45,0:26:28.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to result in an almost perfectly leaflike mantis. Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.45,0:26:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you put it on a background Dialogue: 0,0:26:29.96,0:26:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on which it doesn't belong Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.46,0:26:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, it just sticks out like a sore thumb. Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.46,0:26:36.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would almost certainly... hey, where you going there, pal? Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.96,0:26:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would almost certainly get eaten by something. Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.97,0:26:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Before heading into the mountains Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.97,0:26:46.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Smith collects more birds Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.97,0:26:49.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to add to what he's learned in the rain forest. Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.47,0:26:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bill length... Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.48,0:26:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: How different will the highland birds prove to be? Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.98,0:26:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,...is 9.2. Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.48,0:26:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Common is 10. Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.98,0:27:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Different enough to be considered new species Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.49,0:27:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,branching off in a new direction on the tree of life? Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.97,0:27:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCHNEIDER: When the Andes were uplifted Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.48,0:27:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it created a whole variety of new habitats. Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.48,0:27:30.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The animals that were in the lowland rain forest Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.98,0:27:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had an enormous opportunity to colonize these new habitats Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.49,0:27:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they did so. Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.49,0:27:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The real question is Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.99,0:27:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether adaptation to these new environments Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.50,0:27:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can lead to the formation of new species. Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.50,0:27:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Flying less than one hour Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.00,0:27:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Schneider and Smith move from the steamy lowlands Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.01,0:27:57.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the windswept Andean peaks. Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.51,0:28:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Animal populations made the same journey Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.01,0:28:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but gradually, over many generations. Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.52,0:28:07.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as the environment changed Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.02,0:28:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from rain forest to the high, cool grasslands Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.02,0:28:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,animal populations were forced to adapt. Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.53,0:28:20.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These grasslands lie nearly two miles above sea level. Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.03,0:28:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seasons never change here, so close to the equator Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.54,0:28:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is said that winter visits every night. Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.54,0:28:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Temperatures often drop below freezing. Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.04,0:28:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Animals not well adapted will not survive. Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.55,0:28:43.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SMITH: Hummingbirds are amazing. Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.05,0:28:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turns out Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.56,0:28:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can drop their body temperature 50 degrees Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.56,0:28:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and go into a state of hibernation Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.56,0:28:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to withstand the frigid nights here. Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.57,0:28:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can imagine Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.07,0:28:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a small-billed hummingbird living in cloud forest Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.57,0:29:02.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some thousand meters down slope from us. Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.07,0:29:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if those individuals were to expand their range Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.58,0:29:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up into this habitat where perhaps flowers are much longer Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.58,0:29:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could expect Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.08,0:29:14.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that individuals with slightly longer bills Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.59,0:29:16.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might survive better. Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.59,0:29:18.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact, there are many examples in hummingbirds Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.59,0:29:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we know that small changes in bill length Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.59,0:29:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can make important differences in how that bird extracts nectar Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.10,0:29:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how well it survives. Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.10,0:29:31.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're seeing that changes in the environment Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.60,0:29:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be very important Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.10,0:29:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in changing the characteristics of those animals Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.61,0:29:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they move between environments. Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.11,0:29:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we believe very strongly that, in many cases, anyway Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.62,0:29:45.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this can be very important Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.62,0:29:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the progression to new species. Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.62,0:29:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: From one species of bird, the common ancestor Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.62,0:29:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hummingbirds with beaks of different lengths evolve Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.63,0:29:59.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over many generations. Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.63,0:30:02.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if these populations change so much Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.63,0:30:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they can no longer reproduce with one another Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.14,0:30:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are considered separate species on the tree of life. Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.14,0:30:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Smith and Schneider want to see Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.15,0:30:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how closely related the highland birds are Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.15,0:30:22.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the birds they examined in the lowland rain forest. Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.65,0:30:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They compare color, beak length, wingspan... Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.66,0:30:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just as Darwin would have done. Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.16,0:30:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they have another tool that Darwin never even dreamed of... Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.17,0:30:42.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DNA. Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.67,0:30:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin was convinced that traits were passed on Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.18,0:30:54.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from generation to generation, but he didn't understand how. Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.69,0:30:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We now know Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.19,0:30:59.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the sequence of the four chemical building blocks of DNA Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.69,0:31:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,determines the traits of all living things. Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.69,0:31:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each generation passes on this text of As, Ts, Cs and Gs Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.70,0:31:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to its offspring. Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.20,0:31:15.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But occasional mistakes in copying (mutations) Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.21,0:31:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can result in new traits. Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.71,0:31:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCHNEIDER: By comparing DNA Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.21,0:31:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can determine who is most closely related to whom Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.21,0:31:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can determine when they had a common ancestor Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.22,0:31:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when they diverged from that common ancestor. Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.72,0:31:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Laboratory analysis reveals Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.72,0:31:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that DNA from the rain forest hummingbirds Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.72,0:31:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,differs only very slightly Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.73,0:31:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from that of the highland hummingbirds. Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.23,0:31:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They must have diverged from a common ancestor Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.23,0:31:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relatively recently in the history of life on Earth, Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.74,0:31:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about three million years ago. Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.24,0:31:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCHNEIDER: We're examining the genetic material Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.24,0:31:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes organisms what they are. Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.75,0:32:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And written in that DNA is the history of their evolution. Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.25,0:32:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: The fact that the blueprints for all living things Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.76,0:32:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are in the same language, the genetic code of DNA, Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.26,0:32:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is powerful evidence Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.76,0:32:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they all evolved on a single tree of life. Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.27,0:32:23.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SCHNEIDER: How is it that organisms that are so different can be related? Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.27,0:32:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That we are related to a flatworm or a bacteria? Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.28,0:32:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin emphasized Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.78,0:32:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that small changes would accrue every generation Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.78,0:32:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these changes could build up to amount to enormous changes. Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.29,0:32:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not really hard to understand Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.79,0:32:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how major transitions could come about Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.30,0:32:50.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given that life has been around for 3½ billion years. Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.80,0:32:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin really had it right. Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.81,0:33:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(man chuckling and applauding) Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.81,0:33:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN: Come here, Squib. Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.82,0:33:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There. Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.32,0:33:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There we are. Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.32,0:33:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, Emma, you're a remarkably good shot! Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.32,0:33:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(both chuckle) Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.32,0:33:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello, Parker. Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.82,0:33:14.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Miss Wedgwood. Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.83,0:33:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've met my cousin, Mr. Darwin, before? Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.33,0:33:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sir. Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.33,0:33:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's fast, eh? Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.33,0:33:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fastest in the county. Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.83,0:33:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you breed him yourself? Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.83,0:33:23.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mated him Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.84,0:33:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a bitch who was pretty swift. Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.34,0:33:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how would you breed a fellow like Squib here? Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.84,0:33:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From the runts, I suppose. Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.34,0:33:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(men laugh) Dialogue: 0,0:33:31.34,0:33:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How dare you! Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.84,0:33:35.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Squib is quite as nice as any of your rotten dogs. Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.85,0:33:36.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's true. Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.85,0:33:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's from the runts and monsters Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.85,0:33:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that breeders can produce tailless cats Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.85,0:33:42.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or pygmies like Squib. Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.85,0:33:44.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not listening to any more of this. Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.86,0:33:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Take me back to the house at once Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.86,0:33:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and stop saying horrid things. Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.86,0:33:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From wolves to greyhounds Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.86,0:33:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from bulldogs to fellows like Squib Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.86,0:33:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in what, a matter of a few hundred years. Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.87,0:34:01.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I take it you don't find Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.87,0:34:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk of dogs all that interesting? Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.38,0:34:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can think of more interesting topics of conversation. Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.38,0:34:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such as? Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.88,0:34:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The novels of Miss Austen. Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.88,0:34:14.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what does she have to say about selective breeding? Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.38,0:34:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing, as I recall. Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.39,0:34:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that's a great pity. Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.89,0:34:23.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why shouldn't nature produce such differences Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.90,0:34:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these different breeds of dog? Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.40,0:34:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why should it? Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.40,0:34:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would be the point? Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.40,0:34:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Survival. Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.90,0:34:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In nature, a little poppet like Squib Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.90,0:34:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was the smallest in her litter, would die. Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.91,0:34:39.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You nearly did die, didn't you? Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.41,0:34:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, that's true. Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.41,0:34:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what about the one with a little more vigor Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.92,0:34:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a head start Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.92,0:34:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of some peculiarity? Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.92,0:34:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such as? Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.92,0:34:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A puppy born with an extra-thick coat in a hot climate Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.92,0:34:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be a monstrosity Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.42,0:34:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in a cold climate that would be a good adaptation. Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.93,0:35:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That puppy would have an advantage. Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.43,0:35:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Got you. Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.43,0:35:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles. Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.94,0:35:04.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Emma. Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.94,0:35:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me go. Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.44,0:35:08.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not until you've paid the toll. Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.44,0:35:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is? Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.44,0:35:14.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A kiss, for me rather than the dog. Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.95,0:35:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can make a big dog or a small dog Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.95,0:35:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can't produce feathers on a dog Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.45,0:35:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor can you create organs as miraculous Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.45,0:35:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the heart and the eyes. Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.46,0:35:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That can only be the work of God. Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.97,0:35:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hurry up. Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.47,0:35:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's these blasted ties! Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.48,0:35:47.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Marry. Not marry. Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.98,0:35:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Marry. Children, if it please God..." Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.48,0:35:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give me that! Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.48,0:35:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's private. Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.98,0:35:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm your brother; you've no secrets from me. Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.48,0:35:56.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I do; I have secrets from everybody. Dialogue: 0,0:35:56.49,0:35:57.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Give it to me. Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.49,0:36:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: Thank you, Garmon. Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.86,0:36:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Constant companion and friend in old age." Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.86,0:36:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ras! Dialogue: 0,0:36:08.87,0:36:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(sighs) Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.87,0:36:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Object to be loved and played with Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.37,0:36:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better than a dog anyhow." Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.87,0:36:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.38,0:36:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You old romantic! Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.38,0:36:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it's intolerable to think of oneself Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.88,0:36:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spending one's life like a neuter bee Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.88,0:36:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working, working, working. Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.38,0:36:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And all this is a response Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.39,0:36:30.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to your trip to Cousin Emma's? Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.39,0:36:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not necessarily. Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.39,0:36:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't know anyone else. Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.39,0:36:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(both chuckle) Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.90,0:36:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, it's true, Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.40,0:36:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your collection won't be complete Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.90,0:36:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without that most interesting specimen Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.40,0:36:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the whole series of vertebrate mammals. Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.40,0:36:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And why haven't you married Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.40,0:36:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's such an enviable state? Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.41,0:36:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I'm too lazy to take on anything requiring Dialogue: 0,0:36:51.11,0:36:53.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as much effort as a wife and family. Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.61,0:37:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you're the marrying kind. Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.92,0:37:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(glass breaks) Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.92,0:37:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good Lord, what was that? Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.93,0:37:11.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're being mobbed! Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.43,0:37:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(yelling) Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.93,0:37:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They probably think we're Poor Law Commissioners. Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.93,0:37:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(people shouting) Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.44,0:37:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why would they think that? Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.94,0:37:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's enough that we're top- hatted toffs in a smart carriage Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.94,0:37:29.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're scavenging on rubbish heaps, starving to death. Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.95,0:37:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: Too many people, not enough food! Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.95,0:37:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank God we'll always have food on our plates! Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.95,0:37:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Speaking of which, I think I'll have Dialogue: 0,0:37:37.96,0:37:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the turbot in the white sauce. Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.46,0:37:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cabbage, sprout, cauliflower, Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.46,0:37:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all bred from the same ancestor. Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.96,0:37:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cabbage, the leaves; sprouts, the side buds; Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.47,0:37:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cauliflower, the flower head. Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.47,0:37:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All monstrously enlarged. Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.47,0:37:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sitting opposite me is that strange creature, Homo thesis: Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.48,0:38:01.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,half man, half theory. Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.98,0:38:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A word of advice. Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.98,0:38:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my entire life Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.48,0:38:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have known only three women who were skeptics Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.98,0:38:09.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and two of them were not permitted in polite society. Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.99,0:38:13.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Keep your theory from Emma. Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.99,0:38:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's too late. Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.49,0:38:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I told her... sort of... not a theory. Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.50,0:38:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have a theory, just thoughts. Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.00,0:38:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How did she take it? Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.50,0:38:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She asked me to read Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.50,0:38:27.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her favorite part of the New Testament... Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.50,0:38:28.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughs) Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.51,0:38:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our Savior's farewell to his disciples. Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.01,0:38:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see what I mean? Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.51,0:38:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I am the vine, and ye are the branches. Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.51,0:38:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If man abide not in me..." Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.02,0:38:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: Wilberforce's ears have pricked up! Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.02,0:38:47.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(softly): "If man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.52,0:38:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and is withered; and men shall gather them Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.53,0:38:56.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they shall be cast into the fire, and they are burned." Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.53,0:38:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how is your sole? Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.04,0:38:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What? Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.04,0:39:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your fish? Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.54,0:39:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh... delicious. Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.04,0:39:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand your carriage was stoned tonight. Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.05,0:39:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well... Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.05,0:39:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're meeting the threat on the streets head-on. Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.05,0:39:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're drilling with the Honorable Artillery Company. Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.55,0:39:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gentleman volunteers. Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.05,0:39:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the event of riots Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.05,0:39:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will back the police. Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.56,0:39:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every man, as long as he obeys Dialogue: 0,0:39:18.56,0:39:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the law of the land Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.56,0:39:21.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be free to pursue Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.06,0:39:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his own interest in his own way. Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.56,0:39:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, of course. Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.56,0:39:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charge what he likes for bread Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.06,0:39:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anything else for that matter. Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.06,0:39:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Laissez-faire. Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.57,0:39:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let individuals compete and struggle Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.07,0:39:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their advantages. Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.57,0:39:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good night. Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.57,0:39:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good night. Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.57,0:39:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good night. Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.07,0:39:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(snores) Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.09,0:39:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(snoring lightly) Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.59,0:39:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever I can't sleep Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.09,0:39:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I reach for Malthus. Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.60,0:40:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, as I prefer to think of him Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.10,0:40:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Reverend T.R. Morpheus. Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.10,0:40:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Still warm. Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.10,0:40:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two brandies, hmm? Dialogue: 0,0:40:08.61,0:40:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, sir. Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.61,0:40:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The natural tendency of mankind is to reproduce. Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.61,0:40:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Humans can double their numbers Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.62,0:40:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every 25 years." Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.12,0:40:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they don't. Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.12,0:40:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A struggle for resources slows growth Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.12,0:40:26.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and death and disease, war and famine check the population. Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.62,0:40:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know the argument. Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.63,0:40:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but don't you see Dialogue: 0,0:40:30.13,0:40:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly the same struggle takes place throughout nature? Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.13,0:40:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.13,0:40:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why I didn't make the connection before. Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.13,0:40:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are we not overrun with insects and frogs Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.64,0:40:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given the rate at which they reproduce, Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.64,0:40:43.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the number of eggs produced by each and every female? Dialogue: 0,0:40:43.64,0:40:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature's broom sweeps away the ugly ducklings, the runts. Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.14,0:40:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, but it's not that simple. Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.14,0:40:49.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(clears throat) Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.65,0:40:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(quietly): It's not that simple. Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.65,0:40:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes it's the ugly ducklings Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.65,0:40:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are better adapted to the situations of life. Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.16,0:41:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have longer legs and can run faster. Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.66,0:41:02.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have bigger beaks Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.16,0:41:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can crack harder nuts and seeds in harsh winters. Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.16,0:41:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They survive, have more offspring. Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.17,0:41:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature selects them to pass on their traits Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.17,0:41:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to future generations. Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.17,0:41:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And where do we fit in? Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.67,0:41:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hmm... Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.18,0:41:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, the sun does not revolve around the earth. Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.68,0:41:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature does not revolve around man. Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.18,0:41:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man must fall into nature's cauldron. Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.19,0:41:34.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's no deity, no exception. Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.69,0:41:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you accept that species can pass into one another Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.70,0:41:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole fabric totters and falls. Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.70,0:41:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll burn you at the stake for this. Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.20,0:41:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.20,0:41:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now you have a theory. Dialogue: 0,0:41:47.20,0:41:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I said, "Don't come down the ladder, Mother; Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.71,0:41:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've taken it away." Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.71,0:41:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening. Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.71,0:42:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(pours brandy) Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.72,0:42:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOORE: Darwin's work began with the observation Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.72,0:42:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that individuals differ from each other. Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.22,0:42:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these minute differences, Darwin believed Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.23,0:42:13.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be advantageous. Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.73,0:42:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It might give each individual an edge Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.23,0:42:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it came to getting food Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.24,0:42:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or finding a place to survive in nature. Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.24,0:42:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Darwin realized that in nature Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.74,0:42:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individual organisms compete for limited resources. Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.25,0:42:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those with some kind of advantage Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.25,0:42:38.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in coloration, for example... Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.26,0:42:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in speed... Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.26,0:42:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in vision... Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.76,0:42:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are more likely to survive and reproduce Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.27,0:42:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pass on these advantages to their offspring. Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.27,0:42:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those who are less fit will not succeed. Dialogue: 0,0:42:58.28,0:43:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin called it "natural selection" Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.78,0:43:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the forces of nature Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.78,0:43:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,select which organisms will survive. Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.29,0:43:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,STEPHEN JAY GOULD: The survivors will be those Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.79,0:43:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whose variation fortuitously adapts them better Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.79,0:43:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to changing local environments. Dialogue: 0,0:43:17.29,0:43:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then because they pass on those traits to their offspring Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.30,0:43:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the population changes. Dialogue: 0,0:43:22.80,0:43:25.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's natural selection; that's all it is. Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.30,0:43:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not a principle of progress. Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.80,0:43:30.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just a principle of local adaptation. Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.81,0:43:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't make better creatures in any cosmic sense; Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.31,0:43:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you make creatures that are better suited Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.31,0:43:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the changing climates of their local habitats. Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.32,0:43:41.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's it. Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.32,0:43:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Darwin couldn't actually see Dialogue: 0,0:43:44.32,0:43:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,natural selection acting in real time Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.82,0:43:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but today, scientists can, Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.33,0:43:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by observing the evolution of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.84,0:44:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jeff Gustavson has been infected with HIV for over a decade. Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.84,0:44:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He takes a host of medications, but to little avail: Dialogue: 0,0:44:09.35,0:44:10.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the virus keeps adapting Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.85,0:44:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evolving into new strains that evade the drugs. Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.35,0:44:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GUSTAVSON: There's a pervasive feeling Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.35,0:44:19.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all you have to do is take your medicine Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.36,0:44:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you'll be okay, and that really isn't the case, you know. Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.86,0:44:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HIV has the capacity to evolve no matter what you give it. Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.36,0:44:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: There are 19 HIV drugs on the market today, and of those 19 Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.37,0:44:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've already been through 14 of them. Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.87,0:44:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Clarence Johnson, too, is locked in a daily struggle Dialogue: 0,0:44:39.88,0:44:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the rapidly evolving virus. Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.38,0:44:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JOHNSON: Sometimes I feel like I'm fighting a losing battle. Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.38,0:44:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't given up yet but there have been times Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.38,0:44:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I just want to lay down and give up, but, um... Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.39,0:44:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't leave my family behind. Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.90,0:45:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Clarence Johnson's doctor, Michael Saag Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.90,0:45:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has seen HIV evolve into new varieties Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.90,0:45:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the last dozen years. Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.90,0:45:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The virus is constantly changing Dialogue: 0,0:45:09.41,0:45:12.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,subject to the forces of natural selection Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.41,0:45:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the environment of a patient's body. Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.71,0:45:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine we didn't have the concept of evolution Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.05,0:45:21.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we started giving drugs to a patient Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.05,0:45:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in the test tube looked great Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.55,0:45:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of a sudden the virus starts coming back Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.56,0:45:28.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not susceptible to the drugs anymore. Dialogue: 0,0:45:28.06,0:45:29.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a mystery! Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.06,0:45:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How in the world did that happen? Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.06,0:45:35.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's only one way that it happened: through evolution. Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.57,0:45:39.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Once inside a patient's white blood cells Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.57,0:45:42.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HIV replicates at an alarming rate. Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.07,0:45:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Billions of new viruses are spawned every day Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.58,0:45:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and each time it reproduces Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.58,0:45:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,random genetic copying mistakes Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.08,0:45:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(mutations) Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.58,0:45:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,result in slightly different varieties of the virus Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.09,0:46:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bursting forth into the bloodstream. Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.59,0:46:03.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of these new varieties, just by chance Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.59,0:46:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have traits that make them resistant to certain drugs. Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.60,0:46:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when drugs enter the bloodstream Dialogue: 0,0:46:10.60,0:46:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,natural selection favors the drug-resistant forms: Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.10,0:46:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they survive and reproduce. Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.61,0:46:21.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before long, drug-resistant viruses dominate Dialogue: 0,0:46:21.61,0:46:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the patient's body. Dialogue: 0,0:46:23.61,0:46:26.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: Evolution seems pretty easy to understand Dialogue: 0,0:46:26.62,0:46:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we look at big animals. Dialogue: 0,0:46:28.12,0:46:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can kind of see it, in a sense. Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.12,0:46:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's evolution that took centuries to develop. Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.62,0:46:36.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you're talking about something like a virus Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.63,0:46:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can't see in everyday life Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.63,0:46:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its hard to image how it changes. Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.13,0:46:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the case of HIV, we're talking about minutes to hours Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.14,0:46:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to move from one species to another. Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.14,0:46:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's mind-boggling Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.64,0:46:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of the speed with which HIV can replicate. Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.64,0:46:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clarence? Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.65,0:47:00.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: How are you feeling overall? Dialogue: 0,0:47:00.15,0:47:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm doing okay. Dialogue: 0,0:47:01.15,0:47:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great. Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.15,0:47:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: Every time I see a patient Dialogue: 0,0:47:04.15,0:47:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the back of my mind I'm thinking Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.16,0:47:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What is the virus doing in the environment of that patient?" Dialogue: 0,0:47:10.16,0:47:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The virus is producing itself Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.16,0:47:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the order of billions of copies a day. Dialogue: 0,0:47:15.16,0:47:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those few that happen to be able to work in the presence of drug Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.67,0:47:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, "Hey, this is my chance," and they emerge. Dialogue: 0,0:47:23.17,0:47:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it creates the appearance Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.68,0:47:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the virus has thought this through Dialogue: 0,0:47:27.18,0:47:29.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in fact it's just a matter of chance. Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.18,0:47:31.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a matter of a virus being there Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.18,0:47:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's not susceptible to the drugs. Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.18,0:47:37.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It emerges, and the virus begins to win the war. Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.69,0:47:40.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: That's just what happened to Jeff Gustavson. Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.19,0:47:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Each time he tried a new drug, the virus evolved to resist it. Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.20,0:47:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even a cocktail of multiple drugs made little difference. Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.70,0:47:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GUSTAVSON: Here's this puny little virus that doesn't have a brain Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.70,0:47:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet it can outwit some of the top scientists in the world. Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.21,0:48:00.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the virus has going for it is Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.71,0:48:02.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can't copy itself too well. Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.71,0:48:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, that's pretty awe-inspiring and scary. Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.72,0:48:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,STEPHEN JAY GOULD: All that happens in evolution, Dialogue: 0,0:48:10.72,0:48:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least under Darwinian natural selection, Dialogue: 0,0:48:12.72,0:48:15.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that organisms are struggling Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.22,0:48:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in some metaphorical and unconscious sense Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.73,0:48:22.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for reproductive success, however it happens. Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.23,0:48:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: The process of natural selection feeds on randomness. Dialogue: 0,0:48:25.74,0:48:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It feeds on accident and contingency Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.74,0:48:30.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it gradually improves the fit Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.74,0:48:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between whatever organisms there are Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.74,0:48:36.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the environment in which they're being selected. Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.25,0:48:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there's no predictability about what particular accidents Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.25,0:48:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are going to be exploited in this process. Dialogue: 0,0:48:47.26,0:48:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: For millions of HIV patients, evolution is the enemy. Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.26,0:48:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If only there were a way to take advantage of natural selection Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.27,0:49:02.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make it work in a patient's favor. Dialogue: 0,0:49:02.77,0:49:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 1997, at Goethe University in Frankfurt, Germany Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.28,0:49:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a researcher may have discovered such a way... Dialogue: 0,0:49:10.78,0:49:14.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite accidentally. Dialogue: 0,0:49:14.78,0:49:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN: We had a patient Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.79,0:49:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even though he was being treated with five drugs Dialogue: 0,0:49:18.79,0:49:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his virus replication could not be controlled Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.29,0:49:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, at the same time, he was suffering Dialogue: 0,0:49:25.80,0:49:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a lot of side effects of the medications. Dialogue: 0,0:49:27.80,0:49:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at that point he asked his physician Dialogue: 0,0:49:30.30,0:49:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it wouldn't make sense Dialogue: 0,0:49:32.30,0:49:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to just stop taking the drugs for a while Dialogue: 0,0:49:34.80,0:49:37.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since he was really having nothing much from them Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.81,0:49:42.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other than the toxicities he was experiencing. Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.81,0:49:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: After three months off drugs Dialogue: 0,0:49:45.82,0:49:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the patient's virus population was tested for drug resistance. Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.32,0:49:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. Miller could not believe the results. Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.82,0:49:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At first I thought a mistake had happened Dialogue: 0,0:49:57.83,0:50:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the lab that did the resistance test Dialogue: 0,0:50:00.83,0:50:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was not able to detect any resistance whatsoever Dialogue: 0,0:50:03.83,0:50:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this virus population. Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.84,0:50:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We sent a second sample and this result was confirmed. Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.34,0:50:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Within a matter of three months Dialogue: 0,0:50:13.84,0:50:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his virus population had changed completely Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.35,0:50:20.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from being resistant to every single drug Dialogue: 0,0:50:20.85,0:50:24.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to appearing to be susceptible to every single drug Dialogue: 0,0:50:24.35,0:50:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we currently have. Dialogue: 0,0:50:25.86,0:50:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Here's what had happened. Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.36,0:50:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With drugs present in the patient's bloodstream Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.86,0:50:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only the drug-resistant strains of the virus could replicate. Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.87,0:50:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But some of the nonresistant virus (the "wild type") Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.87,0:50:45.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still lingered in the white blood cells. Dialogue: 0,0:50:45.88,0:50:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the patient stopped taking drugs Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.88,0:50:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the environment changed, and the wild type came back. Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.38,0:50:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It replicated extremely rapidly Dialogue: 0,0:50:56.89,0:50:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and soon outnumbered the drug-resistant strains. Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.89,0:51:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Darwinian terms Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.89,0:51:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the wild type virus was more fit in this drug-free environment. Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.40,0:51:11.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Dr. Miller's findings have led Dialogue: 0,0:51:11.90,0:51:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a new experimental treatment strategy: Dialogue: 0,0:51:14.90,0:51:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take a patient off drugs for a time Dialogue: 0,0:51:19.28,0:51:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if the virus reverts to the nonresistant wild type Dialogue: 0,0:51:23.28,0:51:29.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hit it hard with a combination of drugs. Dialogue: 0,0:51:29.29,0:51:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clarence! Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.29,0:51:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How are you? Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.79,0:51:37.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: The concept of a treatment interruption is a new strategy Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.79,0:51:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we might be able to apply in Clarence's case Dialogue: 0,0:51:40.80,0:51:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we've just got to make sure Dialogue: 0,0:51:43.30,0:51:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we aren't putting him at too much risk Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.80,0:51:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we choose that route. Dialogue: 0,0:51:47.80,0:51:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: So one of the options Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.80,0:51:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to take all the drugs away for a while Dialogue: 0,0:51:50.81,0:51:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let the virus spring back into its natural state Dialogue: 0,0:51:54.31,0:51:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of not having any mutations Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.31,0:51:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then pounce on it again with the regimen, Dialogue: 0,0:51:59.32,0:52:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it might even be the same regimen that we used before. Dialogue: 0,0:52:04.82,0:52:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: On first blush, the evolution back to wild type Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.82,0:52:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would seem to be a great thing: Dialogue: 0,0:52:09.83,0:52:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the drugs all of a sudden can work again. Dialogue: 0,0:52:12.33,0:52:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's a double-edged sword: Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.33,0:52:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the virus goes back to wild type Dialogue: 0,0:52:16.83,0:52:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it becomes more dangerous for the host, Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.84,0:52:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a much more effective killer of cells. Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.34,0:52:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we have to find a way to balance those two things out. Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.34,0:52:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Jeff Gustavson is also beginning a treatment interruption, Dialogue: 0,0:52:32.35,0:52:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite the risks. Dialogue: 0,0:52:37.85,0:52:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GUSTAVSON: I feel like I've played all the cards that I have in my hand Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.36,0:52:44.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the medicines that are available. Dialogue: 0,0:52:44.86,0:52:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like it's worth the risk to try and take another card Dialogue: 0,0:52:48.86,0:52:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a different strategy and just stop taking medicine altogether Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.37,0:52:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hope that the next time that I do go on medicine Dialogue: 0,0:52:56.87,0:53:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it will actually work. Dialogue: 0,0:53:00.88,0:53:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: After five weeks off drugs Dialogue: 0,0:53:03.38,0:53:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clarence Johnson is enjoying being free, Dialogue: 0,0:53:06.38,0:53:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least temporarily, from their debilitating effects. Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.39,0:53:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the wild-type virus is staging a comeback Dialogue: 0,0:53:12.89,0:53:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't yet appear to be affecting his immune system. Dialogue: 0,0:53:19.90,0:53:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: We took a bit of a gamble. Dialogue: 0,0:53:21.40,0:53:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think, so far, you know, it's paid off. Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.40,0:53:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the virus has gone from being resistant to certain drugs Dialogue: 0,0:53:29.41,0:53:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now that population has shifted Dialogue: 0,0:53:31.91,0:53:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that now they're susceptible again. Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.91,0:53:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: What I hope for Clarence is that we can find the right course... Dialogue: 0,0:53:38.42,0:53:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find a way to stretch his survival out even further Dialogue: 0,0:53:41.92,0:53:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that he's healthy and happy Dialogue: 0,0:53:44.42,0:53:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until the next new approach to treatment Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.42,0:53:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is able to get him to a point where he can live to 80. Dialogue: 0,0:53:53.43,0:53:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,JOHNSON: My greatest hope is that when I do go back on medications Dialogue: 0,0:53:57.43,0:53:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those drugs will bring my viral load down Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.44,0:54:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to an undetectable amount. Dialogue: 0,0:54:00.94,0:54:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what it feels like to be undetectable Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.44,0:54:09.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that would be a great experience. Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.95,0:54:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Six weeks into his treatment interruption Dialogue: 0,0:54:12.45,0:54:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jeff Gustavson's virus also has changed Dialogue: 0,0:54:16.45,0:54:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the drug-susceptible wild type. Dialogue: 0,0:54:19.96,0:54:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's now on a new course of medication, and responding well. Dialogue: 0,0:54:25.46,0:54:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SAAG: From day one of this epidemic Dialogue: 0,0:54:27.46,0:54:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were put into a race with HIV. Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.97,0:54:33.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the last decade or so we've been catching up; Dialogue: 0,0:54:33.47,0:54:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've learned a lot about it; we've scouted out the enemy; Dialogue: 0,0:54:36.47,0:54:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've learned how it replicates; Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.97,0:54:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've learned how it tries to survive; Dialogue: 0,0:54:39.98,0:54:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we learned how it evolves. Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.48,0:54:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we're now taking those principles that we've learned Dialogue: 0,0:54:45.48,0:54:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and applying them Dialogue: 0,0:54:46.98,0:54:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to putting the brakes on the virus in this race. Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.50,0:55:06.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(birds chirping) Dialogue: 0,0:55:06.00,0:55:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Towards me... towards me... Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.50,0:55:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There! Dialogue: 0,0:55:10.51,0:55:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The angle needs to be more acute. Dialogue: 0,0:55:14.01,0:55:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: More acute... Dialogue: 0,0:55:15.01,0:55:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(knock at door) Dialogue: 0,0:55:17.51,0:55:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's see if it works. Dialogue: 0,0:55:19.02,0:55:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And... open! Dialogue: 0,0:55:24.52,0:55:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good God! Dialogue: 0,0:55:26.52,0:55:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ras! Dialogue: 0,0:55:28.52,0:55:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a horrible shock. Dialogue: 0,0:55:31.53,0:55:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thought I'd surprise you. Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.53,0:55:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Welcome to Down House. Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.03,0:55:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When is the moat to be dug? Dialogue: 0,0:55:36.03,0:55:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the drawbridge is in place. Dialogue: 0,0:55:37.53,0:55:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who are you trying to keep out, Charlie? Dialogue: 0,0:55:39.54,0:55:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone, especially you. Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.54,0:55:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EMMA: Ras... Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.54,0:55:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a wonderful surprise! Dialogue: 0,0:55:43.04,0:55:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My dear, what a journey. Dialogue: 0,0:55:45.54,0:55:46.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not far. Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.54,0:55:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature abhors a journey of 16 miles Dialogue: 0,0:55:48.54,0:55:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,almost as much as a vacuum. Dialogue: 0,0:55:50.05,0:55:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello, Annie. Dialogue: 0,0:55:52.05,0:55:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tea, the man needs tea. Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.55,0:55:55.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Dialogue: 0,0:55:55.05,0:55:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: One, and a two, and a three Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.56,0:56:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and off you go! Dialogue: 0,0:56:00.06,0:56:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've thought of a new name for the village. Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.06,0:56:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Oh, yes? Dialogue: 0,0:56:03.06,0:56:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Down-in-the-Mouth." Dialogue: 0,0:56:04.06,0:56:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you speak Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.06,0:56:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can find you really easily. Dialogue: 0,0:56:07.56,0:56:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shh! Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.06,0:56:10.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How's your work progressing? Dialogue: 0,0:56:10.57,0:56:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've sent the manuscript off to be copied. Dialogue: 0,0:56:12.57,0:56:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've no idea what I'm going to do with it when it comes back. Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.07,0:56:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone be quiet! Dialogue: 0,0:56:17.07,0:56:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Aren't we glad we're not blind? Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.58,0:56:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're blind you can't see the sky... Dialogue: 0,0:56:21.58,0:56:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BOTH: ...or the flowers. Dialogue: 0,0:56:23.08,0:56:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or anything else, for that matter. Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.58,0:56:27.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can get any of you any time I want! Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.58,0:56:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, go on, then! Dialogue: 0,0:56:29.59,0:56:31.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We feel sorry for moles, don't we? Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.59,0:56:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Moles don't need to be able to see Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.59,0:56:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they live underground. Dialogue: 0,0:56:34.59,0:56:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why their eyes have got smaller and smaller Dialogue: 0,0:56:39.10,0:56:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BOTH: ...and owls' have got bigger and bigger. Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.10,0:56:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WILLIAM: I can't play. Dialogue: 0,0:56:43.60,0:56:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone's talking about eyes all the time! Dialogue: 0,0:56:46.10,0:56:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh... you going to talk to William, hmm? Dialogue: 0,0:56:49.10,0:56:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go on, Brodie. Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.11,0:56:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,William? Dialogue: 0,0:56:51.11,0:56:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chuckling) Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.11,0:56:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,William, wait for us! Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.11,0:56:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She'll soon talk him round. Dialogue: 0,0:56:55.11,0:56:57.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She has the knack. Dialogue: 0,0:56:57.61,0:56:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You look pale. Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.62,0:57:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My stomach rejects food. Dialogue: 0,0:57:02.12,0:57:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not strong anymore. Dialogue: 0,0:57:04.62,0:57:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll never achieve anything in science now. Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.62,0:57:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What rot! Dialogue: 0,0:57:09.63,0:57:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're coming back to London with me. Dialogue: 0,0:57:11.63,0:57:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I'm not. Dialogue: 0,0:57:12.63,0:57:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, you are! Dialogue: 0,0:57:13.63,0:57:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not letting you stagnate down here Dialogue: 0,0:57:15.13,0:57:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while your rivals make all the progress. Dialogue: 0,0:57:16.63,0:57:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You must visit your publisher. Dialogue: 0,0:57:18.64,0:57:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't understand, Ras. Dialogue: 0,0:57:20.64,0:57:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when I talk about my theory with you Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.14,0:57:25.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like I'm confessing a murder. Dialogue: 0,0:57:25.14,0:57:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I can't publish. Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.64,0:57:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, you're coming back to London with me, Charlie Dialogue: 0,0:57:29.14,0:57:30.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you like it or not. Dialogue: 0,0:57:30.65,0:57:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If only to remind the opposition Dialogue: 0,0:57:32.65,0:57:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're still alive and kicking! Dialogue: 0,0:57:34.65,0:57:36.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EMMA: Take care. Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.15,0:57:37.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And make sure you get plenty of rest. Dialogue: 0,0:57:37.65,0:57:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Erasmus, he's not to spend all night at the club with you. Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.66,0:57:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, Mother... Dialogue: 0,0:57:42.16,0:57:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean it, or he'll be utterly done for the next day. Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.16,0:57:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, Mother. Dialogue: 0,0:57:46.16,0:57:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't worry, it'll do him good. Dialogue: 0,0:57:54.94,0:57:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on. Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.44,0:58:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your sloth awaits you, sir. Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.45,0:58:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasps and chuckles) Dialogue: 0,0:58:07.45,0:58:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a magnificent beast, eh, Ras? Dialogue: 0,0:58:11.45,0:58:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My word. Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.96,0:58:14.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Owen's done a remarkable job. Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.46,0:58:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He really is a splendid specimen. Dialogue: 0,0:58:18.46,0:58:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I thought you'd be pleased. Dialogue: 0,0:58:20.96,0:58:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come through. Dialogue: 0,0:58:21.96,0:58:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See what I've been working on. Dialogue: 0,0:58:25.97,0:58:27.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The chimpanzee Dialogue: 0,0:58:27.97,0:58:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being the highest organized four-handed ape Dialogue: 0,0:58:31.47,0:58:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every difference between its anatomy and a human's Dialogue: 0,0:58:33.98,0:58:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is instructive. Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.48,0:58:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been studying... Dialogue: 0,0:58:37.48,0:58:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example Dialogue: 0,0:58:38.48,0:58:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the irrational ape has doglike canines Dialogue: 0,0:58:42.48,0:58:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used as weapons of destruction Dialogue: 0,0:58:43.99,0:58:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite unlike the masters of the animal kingdom. Dialogue: 0,0:58:45.99,0:58:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Yes, though... Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.99,0:58:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OWEN: And the human foot Dialogue: 0,0:58:48.49,0:58:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is of decisive taxonomic value. Dialogue: 0,0:58:49.99,0:58:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our feet are made for walking upon, our hands for grasping. Dialogue: 0,0:58:52.50,0:58:53.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This brute's hands and feet are made Dialogue: 0,0:58:53.100,0:58:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for nearly the same purpose. Dialogue: 0,0:58:55.50,0:58:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a striking similarity... Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.00,0:58:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm writing a book on the subject. Dialogue: 0,0:58:58.50,0:59:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: My brother is working on a new book, too. Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.50,0:59:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come here, let me show you what I mean. Dialogue: 0,0:59:09.01,0:59:10.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the same pattern. Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.51,0:59:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: The bone structure in the hands and feet Dialogue: 0,0:59:12.52,0:59:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are all nearly identical. Dialogue: 0,0:59:15.02,0:59:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The blueprint, if you will Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.52,0:59:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that existed first in the Creator's mind. Dialogue: 0,0:59:19.02,0:59:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of that there can be no doubt. Dialogue: 0,0:59:22.02,0:59:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Utter tosh! Dialogue: 0,0:59:23.53,0:59:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The similarity of structure indicates one thing Dialogue: 0,0:59:25.53,0:59:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and one thing only: Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.03,0:59:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an ancient common ancestor. Dialogue: 0,0:59:29.03,0:59:31.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Real, flesh-and-blood parents. Dialogue: 0,0:59:31.03,0:59:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why didn't you say so, then? Dialogue: 0,0:59:33.04,0:59:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hmm? Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.54,0:59:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You must publish your ideas. Dialogue: 0,0:59:36.54,0:59:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If only to establish your priority. Dialogue: 0,0:59:39.54,0:59:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's holding you back? Dialogue: 0,0:59:50.55,1:00:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(playing soft, lyrical piece) Dialogue: 0,1:00:01.56,1:00:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(stops playing) Dialogue: 0,1:00:02.56,1:00:04.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it? Dialogue: 0,1:00:04.07,1:00:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've completed a sketch of my species theory. Dialogue: 0,1:00:08.07,1:00:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe it's a considerable step in science. Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.57,1:00:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If anything should happen to me... Dialogue: 0,1:00:13.08,1:00:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you mean? Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.08,1:00:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I should die... Dialogue: 0,1:00:15.58,1:00:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Die! Charles, for goodness' sake... Dialogue: 0,1:00:17.58,1:00:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please, my love, it's important. Dialogue: 0,1:00:19.58,1:00:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If anything should happen to me Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.08,1:00:25.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like you to see to it that it gets published. Dialogue: 0,1:00:25.09,1:00:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,£400 should be enough Dialogue: 0,1:00:27.39,1:00:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see it printed and promoted. Dialogue: 0,1:00:29.59,1:00:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing's going to happen to you. Dialogue: 0,1:00:33.10,1:00:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You say here that the human eye Dialogue: 0,1:00:37.10,1:00:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"may possibly have been acquired by gradual selection Dialogue: 0,1:00:41.10,1:00:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of slight, but, in each case, useful deviations." Dialogue: 0,1:00:44.61,1:00:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.11,1:00:49.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a very great assumption, Charles. Dialogue: 0,1:00:49.11,1:00:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, if I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong about everything. Dialogue: 0,1:00:52.62,1:00:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My entire theory's in ruins. Dialogue: 0,1:00:55.62,1:00:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can your theory account for the way Dialogue: 0,1:00:57.62,1:01:01.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my eyes and ears and hands and heart combine Dialogue: 0,1:01:01.62,1:01:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reproduce the sounds that Chopin heard in his head? Dialogue: 0,1:01:04.63,1:01:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isn't that a God-given gift? Dialogue: 0,1:01:08.13,1:01:10.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's given. Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.13,1:01:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But not, I think, by God. Dialogue: 0,1:01:13.14,1:01:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are a man of science. Dialogue: 0,1:01:15.64,1:01:20.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't want to believe anything until it's proved. Dialogue: 0,1:01:20.14,1:01:23.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But some things are beyond proof. Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.65,1:01:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be a nightmare to me if I thought Dialogue: 0,1:01:26.15,1:01:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we didn't belong to each other forever in Heaven. Dialogue: 0,1:01:37.66,1:01:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOORE: Emma was a sincere believer Dialogue: 0,1:01:39.66,1:01:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Christian plan of salvation Dialogue: 0,1:01:42.66,1:01:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that those who trusted in Jesus Dialogue: 0,1:01:44.17,1:01:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his resurrection from the dead Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.17,1:01:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would spend eternity in Heaven. Dialogue: 0,1:01:49.17,1:01:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She saw that her husband's speculations Dialogue: 0,1:01:53.18,1:01:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the origins of species and of humanity Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.18,1:02:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would jeopardize the Christian plan of salvation. Dialogue: 0,1:02:00.68,1:02:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God was being made remote in her husband's universe. Dialogue: 0,1:02:04.69,1:02:09.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, if nature by itself, unaided by God Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.19,1:02:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could make an eye Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.19,1:02:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then what else couldn't nature do? Dialogue: 0,1:02:14.20,1:02:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature could do anything, it could make everything. Dialogue: 0,1:02:19.20,1:02:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Darwin's day, the very existence Dialogue: 0,1:02:21.70,1:02:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of an organ of extreme perfection like the eye Dialogue: 0,1:02:24.71,1:02:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was taken by many as proof of God Dialogue: 0,1:02:26.71,1:02:29.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as proof of a designer. Dialogue: 0,1:02:29.71,1:02:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How else could all Dialogue: 0,1:02:31.21,1:02:33.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the intricate organs and substructures of the eye Dialogue: 0,1:02:33.72,1:02:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have come together in just the right way Dialogue: 0,1:02:35.72,1:02:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make vision so possible and so perfect? Dialogue: 0,1:02:39.22,1:02:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it turns out the eye isn't exactly perfect, after all. Dialogue: 0,1:02:42.22,1:02:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the eye contains profound optical imperfections. Dialogue: 0,1:02:46.23,1:02:48.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those imperfections are proof, in a sense Dialogue: 0,1:02:48.73,1:02:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the evolutionary ancestry of the eye. Dialogue: 0,1:02:55.24,1:02:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Eyes are imperfect because evolution does not create things Dialogue: 0,1:02:59.24,1:03:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way a designer or an artist does. Dialogue: 0,1:03:02.74,1:03:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Natural selection simply favors random changes Dialogue: 0,1:03:07.25,1:03:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that make an organism more fit to survive Dialogue: 0,1:03:11.75,1:03:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and imperfections in design often result Dialogue: 0,1:03:14.26,1:03:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from evolution's constant tinkering. Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.26,1:03:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One such imperfection proved traumatic Dialogue: 0,1:03:22.26,1:03:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for artist Valerie Young. Dialogue: 0,1:03:25.77,1:03:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,YOUNG: We had just come home from a party Dialogue: 0,1:03:27.27,1:03:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I saw a lot of lights flashing inside my eye, Dialogue: 0,1:03:31.27,1:03:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially on the outside edge of the right eye. Dialogue: 0,1:03:35.28,1:03:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought, "We may be in trouble here." Dialogue: 0,1:03:38.78,1:03:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it took me a while to really see Dialogue: 0,1:03:40.78,1:03:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it was my... this was coming from inside my eye. Dialogue: 0,1:03:45.29,1:03:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Luckily, my husband was with me Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.79,1:03:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I wouldn't have been able to drive to the hospital. Dialogue: 0,1:03:52.80,1:03:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my vision was pretty obscured. Dialogue: 0,1:03:55.80,1:03:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only way I can describe it is like a jellyfish Dialogue: 0,1:03:58.30,1:04:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with lots of little bubbles in it Dialogue: 0,1:04:00.80,1:04:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just kept turning and floating in front of my eyes. Dialogue: 0,1:04:07.81,1:04:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Valerie had a retinal tear, Dialogue: 0,1:04:10.81,1:04:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not an uncommon problem Dialogue: 0,1:04:12.32,1:04:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to the way human eyes evolved Dialogue: 0,1:04:14.82,1:04:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from light-sensing patches of brain tissue Dialogue: 0,1:04:17.32,1:04:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our ancient ancestors. Dialogue: 0,1:04:21.32,1:04:22.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the human embryo Dialogue: 0,1:04:22.32,1:04:26.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eyes develop from bulges in the brain's neural tube Dialogue: 0,1:04:26.33,1:04:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that pinch in to form cavities. Dialogue: 0,1:04:29.83,1:04:31.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This top layer, the retina, Dialogue: 0,1:04:31.83,1:04:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(which tore in Valerie Young's eye) Dialogue: 0,1:04:34.34,1:04:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contains cells that collect light. Dialogue: 0,1:04:37.84,1:04:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It rests against a second, darker layer Dialogue: 0,1:04:40.84,1:04:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that lines the back of the eye. Dialogue: 0,1:04:42.84,1:04:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the two layers are not attached to one another. Dialogue: 0,1:04:47.85,1:04:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And when the jelly that fills the eye Dialogue: 0,1:04:50.35,1:04:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liquefies as we age Dialogue: 0,1:04:52.36,1:04:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can cause the retina to tear. Dialogue: 0,1:04:56.86,1:05:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The jelly can then seep into the space underneath Dialogue: 0,1:05:00.36,1:05:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leading to a retinal detachment and, in some cases, blindness. Dialogue: 0,1:05:06.37,1:05:07.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN: When Valerie Young came in Dialogue: 0,1:05:07.87,1:05:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her floaters were an immediate clue Dialogue: 0,1:05:09.87,1:05:11.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that she could have a retinal tear. Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.87,1:05:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were able to successfully apply laser treatment Dialogue: 0,1:05:14.88,1:05:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the office that day Dialogue: 0,1:05:16.88,1:05:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to seal it off, like applying sandbags around something Dialogue: 0,1:05:20.88,1:05:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to wall it off so that the vitreous jelly Dialogue: 0,1:05:22.88,1:05:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would not get in the break and detach her retina. Dialogue: 0,1:05:29.89,1:05:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Valerie Young's retinal tear Dialogue: 0,1:05:32.40,1:05:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just one example of imperfections Dialogue: 0,1:05:34.90,1:05:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the design of human eyes. Dialogue: 0,1:05:39.40,1:05:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another occurs because nerve cells and blood vessels Dialogue: 0,1:05:43.41,1:05:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evolved to lie in front of the retina Dialogue: 0,1:05:46.41,1:05:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they interfere with its ability to form sharp images. Dialogue: 0,1:05:50.91,1:05:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like trying to take a picture Dialogue: 0,1:05:52.42,1:05:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through a foggy piece of glass. Dialogue: 0,1:05:56.92,1:05:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the optic nerve itself evolved Dialogue: 0,1:05:59.42,1:06:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to connect to the brain through a hole in the retina. Dialogue: 0,1:06:03.93,1:06:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the eyes of all vertebrates have a small blind spot, Dialogue: 0,1:06:07.43,1:06:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right near the middle of the visual field. Dialogue: 0,1:06:11.93,1:06:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KENNETH MILLER: Evolution starts with what's already there Dialogue: 0,1:06:14.44,1:06:16.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tinkers with it and modifies it Dialogue: 0,1:06:16.44,1:06:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but can never do a grand redesign. Dialogue: 0,1:06:19.44,1:06:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So even the eye, with all of its optical perfection Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.94,1:06:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has clues to the fact that its origin Dialogue: 0,1:06:24.95,1:06:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is of the blind process of natural selection. Dialogue: 0,1:06:32.96,1:06:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Darwin believed that what he called Dialogue: 0,1:06:34.96,1:06:39.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"an organ of extreme complexity," like the eye Dialogue: 0,1:06:39.46,1:06:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could evolve by small steps, given enough time. Dialogue: 0,1:06:44.47,1:06:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any trait that improved vision Dialogue: 0,1:06:46.47,1:06:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would aid in the search for food, or a mate Dialogue: 0,1:06:50.47,1:06:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in the avoidance of predators Dialogue: 0,1:06:52.98,1:07:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so natural selection would most certainly favor those traits. Dialogue: 0,1:07:01.25,1:07:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,STEPHEN JAY GOULD: And what Darwin was able to do was to point out Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.25,1:07:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you might think, in logic Dialogue: 0,1:07:06.26,1:07:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's difficult to imagine a set of intermediary stages Dialogue: 0,1:07:10.76,1:07:14.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the simplest little spot of nerve cells Dialogue: 0,1:07:14.26,1:07:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can perceive light Dialogue: 0,1:07:16.26,1:07:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a lens-forming eye that makes complex images. Dialogue: 0,1:07:19.77,1:07:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, in fact, these intermediary forms do exist in nature. Dialogue: 0,1:07:25.27,1:07:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: At the University of Lund in Sweden Dialogue: 0,1:07:28.28,1:07:32.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,zoologist Dan-Eric Nilsson has developed models Dialogue: 0,1:07:32.28,1:07:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show how a primitive eyespot Dialogue: 0,1:07:34.28,1:07:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could evolve through intermediate stages Dialogue: 0,1:07:36.79,1:07:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to become a complex, humanlike eye Dialogue: 0,1:07:39.29,1:07:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in less than half a million years. Dialogue: 0,1:07:43.29,1:07:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NILSSON: I've been interested in eye evolution Dialogue: 0,1:07:45.29,1:07:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a long time. Dialogue: 0,1:07:46.80,1:07:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In particular, I've been interested in the question Dialogue: 0,1:07:49.80,1:07:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how long time it would take for an eye to evolve. Dialogue: 0,1:07:53.30,1:07:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Nilsson envisioned a sequence of stages Dialogue: 0,1:07:57.31,1:07:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by which a flat patch of light-sensitive cells Dialogue: 0,1:07:59.81,1:08:01.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on an animal's skin Dialogue: 0,1:08:01.81,1:08:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could evolve into a camera-type eye. Dialogue: 0,1:08:05.82,1:08:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a first step, nature would favor any changes Dialogue: 0,1:08:08.82,1:08:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that made the flat patch more cuplike. Dialogue: 0,1:08:11.32,1:08:13.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NILSSON: As soon as you've created Dialogue: 0,1:08:13.32,1:08:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even the slightest depression in the center Dialogue: 0,1:08:16.32,1:08:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means that the edges of the cup Dialogue: 0,1:08:19.83,1:08:23.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will actually shade light from parts of the environment. Dialogue: 0,1:08:23.83,1:08:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, all the light-sensitive cells Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.84,1:08:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this little cup Dialogue: 0,1:08:28.34,1:08:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they won't measure light in exactly the same direction Dialogue: 0,1:08:31.34,1:08:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so already this cup has some pictorial information. Dialogue: 0,1:08:35.84,1:08:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Another model demonstrates Dialogue: 0,1:08:38.85,1:08:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what a primitive cup-eye can do. Dialogue: 0,1:08:41.85,1:08:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The brightly lighted skulls cast an image Dialogue: 0,1:08:43.85,1:08:45.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,onto a translucent screen Dialogue: 0,1:08:45.86,1:08:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nilsson installs at the back of the cup Dialogue: 0,1:08:48.36,1:08:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to act like a retina. Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.86,1:08:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the image is not at all well-defined. Dialogue: 0,1:08:54.86,1:08:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The cup-eye can do little more than detect movement. Dialogue: 0,1:08:59.87,1:09:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This kind of eye can be found in nature today, in flatworms. Dialogue: 0,1:09:05.37,1:09:08.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their eyes evolved no further. Dialogue: 0,1:09:08.38,1:09:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In their environment, that's all they needed. Dialogue: 0,1:09:12.38,1:09:14.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NILSSON: But if the animals need to move faster Dialogue: 0,1:09:14.88,1:09:17.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or evolve to become fast predators Dialogue: 0,1:09:17.89,1:09:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to see other fast predators Dialogue: 0,1:09:20.39,1:09:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the construction needs to be improved. Dialogue: 0,1:09:23.39,1:09:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one way of doing that Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.39,1:09:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to constrict the opening. Dialogue: 0,1:09:30.90,1:09:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To make it smaller. Dialogue: 0,1:09:36.91,1:09:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: That's just what happened to creatures Dialogue: 0,1:09:38.91,1:09:41.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the chambered nautilus. Dialogue: 0,1:09:41.91,1:09:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over thousands of generations Dialogue: 0,1:09:43.91,1:09:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,natural selection favored those Dialogue: 0,1:09:45.92,1:09:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with slightly more constricted eye openings Dialogue: 0,1:09:49.42,1:09:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which focused light more sharply. Dialogue: 0,1:09:51.92,1:09:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This worked well, up to a point. Dialogue: 0,1:09:57.93,1:10:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NILSSON: Since this strategy of making a sharp image Dialogue: 0,1:10:01.43,1:10:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also has the drawback of creating a very dim image Dialogue: 0,1:10:03.93,1:10:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not very popular in the animal kingdom. Dialogue: 0,1:10:06.44,1:10:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, um... Dialogue: 0,1:10:09.44,1:10:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is an alternative solution Dialogue: 0,1:10:11.44,1:10:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has become very popular in the animal kingdom Dialogue: 0,1:10:14.44,1:10:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the solution that we use in our own eyes Dialogue: 0,1:10:17.45,1:10:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is to put in a lens. Dialogue: 0,1:10:22.95,1:10:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Nilsson's model lens uses two thin layers of clear plastic. Dialogue: 0,1:10:27.96,1:10:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He can inject water in between them Dialogue: 0,1:10:29.96,1:10:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make the plastic windows bulge out like a convex lens. Dialogue: 0,1:10:36.97,1:10:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This mimics what natural selection might have done Dialogue: 0,1:10:39.47,1:10:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over a few hundred thousand generations Dialogue: 0,1:10:42.97,1:10:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,favoring animals with a rounded, transparent layer Dialogue: 0,1:10:45.47,1:10:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their eyes Dialogue: 0,1:10:46.98,1:10:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that caused light to be focused more sharply on the retina. Dialogue: 0,1:10:51.98,1:10:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we can make it gradually from no lens at all Dialogue: 0,1:10:55.48,1:11:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just continue to inject more water... Dialogue: 0,1:11:00.49,1:11:03.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,making the lenses bulge more and more Dialogue: 0,1:11:03.99,1:11:09.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the image becomes gradually sharper and sharper. Dialogue: 0,1:11:09.100,1:11:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we can go all the way, gradually, in very small steps Dialogue: 0,1:11:14.00,1:11:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a simple pigment cup-eye Dialogue: 0,1:11:16.00,1:11:18.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has barely got the ability Dialogue: 0,1:11:18.01,1:11:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to determine the direction of a light source Dialogue: 0,1:11:20.01,1:11:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the way to a complete camera-type eye Dialogue: 0,1:11:22.51,1:11:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the same type as we have ourselves. Dialogue: 0,1:11:26.52,1:11:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is really exactly Dialogue: 0,1:11:28.52,1:11:37.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way eye evolution must proceed. Dialogue: 0,1:11:37.03,1:11:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: The extreme complexity of the eye Dialogue: 0,1:11:39.03,1:11:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,left Darwin "in a cold sweat," he wrote to a friend. Dialogue: 0,1:11:47.04,1:11:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But still he was convinced that an eye could be formed Dialogue: 0,1:11:50.04,1:11:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by natural selection. Dialogue: 0,1:11:53.04,1:11:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He later wrote that eyes must have evolved Dialogue: 0,1:11:56.04,1:12:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by "numerous gradations from an imperfect and simple eye Dialogue: 0,1:12:00.55,1:12:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"to one perfect and complex Dialogue: 0,1:12:03.05,1:12:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with each grade being useful to its possessor." Dialogue: 0,1:12:09.06,1:12:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature, unaided by a designer, could produce an organ Dialogue: 0,1:12:13.06,1:12:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of seemingly miraculous complexity. Dialogue: 0,1:12:25.57,1:12:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a horrid smell. Dialogue: 0,1:12:28.58,1:12:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Annie. Come and look. Dialogue: 0,1:12:40.09,1:12:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I first started looking Dialogue: 0,1:12:42.09,1:12:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought lots of the barnacles had tiny parasites. Dialogue: 0,1:12:46.10,1:12:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's an animal or plant Dialogue: 0,1:12:47.60,1:12:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that lives on another animal or plant Dialogue: 0,1:12:50.10,1:12:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and gets its food from it, Dialogue: 0,1:12:52.10,1:12:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like mistletoe on an apple tree. Dialogue: 0,1:12:55.10,1:12:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they're not. Dialogue: 0,1:12:56.60,1:12:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you know what they are? Dialogue: 0,1:12:58.11,1:12:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No. Dialogue: 0,1:12:59.61,1:13:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're little, tiny husbands. Dialogue: 0,1:13:02.11,1:13:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The females carrylittle, tiny males around with them Dialogue: 0,1:13:07.12,1:13:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clinging to their skirt tails. Dialogue: 0,1:13:11.62,1:13:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just like you and Mama. Dialogue: 0,1:13:13.12,1:13:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chuckles) Dialogue: 0,1:13:14.62,1:13:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just like me and Mama. Dialogue: 0,1:13:17.63,1:13:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's the most interesting barnacle Dialogue: 0,1:13:21.13,1:13:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the whole wide world. Dialogue: 0,1:13:24.13,1:13:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think we should call it? Dialogue: 0,1:13:26.14,1:13:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Barnabus." Dialogue: 0,1:13:28.64,1:13:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Barney," for short. Dialogue: 0,1:13:31.14,1:13:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Barney Ickle." Dialogue: 0,1:13:32.64,1:13:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughs) Dialogue: 0,1:13:35.64,1:13:37.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The tiny parasitic males are rudimentary Dialogue: 0,1:13:37.65,1:13:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that I believe can hardly be equaled Dialogue: 0,1:13:40.15,1:13:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the whole of the animal kingdom. Dialogue: 0,1:13:41.65,1:13:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have no mouth or stomach. Dialogue: 0,1:13:43.65,1:13:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are really little more Dialogue: 0,1:13:45.65,1:13:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than a tiny head atop an enormous coiled penis. Dialogue: 0,1:13:48.66,1:13:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A bit like me, really Dialogue: 0,1:13:50.16,1:13:52.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apart from the bit about the mouth and the stomach. Dialogue: 0,1:13:52.66,1:13:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(both laughing) Dialogue: 0,1:13:56.16,1:13:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's funny? Dialogue: 0,1:13:57.17,1:13:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing, nothing. Dialogue: 0,1:13:59.67,1:14:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasps) Dialogue: 0,1:14:01.67,1:14:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles! Dialogue: 0,1:14:03.17,1:14:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles, are you all right? Dialogue: 0,1:14:04.67,1:14:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasping) Dialogue: 0,1:14:05.67,1:14:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Erasmus, take him home! Dialogue: 0,1:14:07.68,1:14:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasps) Dialogue: 0,1:14:13.68,1:14:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why must you work so hard at your... horrid little mollusks? Dialogue: 0,1:14:18.69,1:14:20.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ooh! Dialogue: 0,1:14:20.19,1:14:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: They're not horrid little mollusks Dialogue: 0,1:14:22.19,1:14:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're horrid little crustaceans. Dialogue: 0,1:14:23.69,1:14:27.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have horrid pigeons and horrid worms, too. Dialogue: 0,1:14:27.70,1:14:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're providing the evidence I need for my theory. Dialogue: 0,1:14:32.20,1:14:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasps in pain) Dialogue: 0,1:14:36.70,1:14:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have the right to publish the idea Dialogue: 0,1:14:39.21,1:14:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless I have the evidence. Dialogue: 0,1:14:40.71,1:14:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must do something about you. Dialogue: 0,1:14:46.72,1:14:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasping) Dialogue: 0,1:14:50.72,1:14:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your stomach condition is nervous in origin, Dialogue: 0,1:14:54.72,1:14:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brought on as a result of excessive mental exertion. Dialogue: 0,1:14:58.23,1:14:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasps) Dialogue: 0,1:14:59.73,1:15:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cold water is used to stimulate the circulation Dialogue: 0,1:15:03.23,1:15:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and draw the blood supply away Dialogue: 0,1:15:05.23,1:15:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the inflamed nerves of the stomach. Dialogue: 0,1:15:08.24,1:15:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(panting) Dialogue: 0,1:15:10.24,1:15:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No sugar, no salt, no bacon Dialogue: 0,1:15:14.24,1:15:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no alcohol, no tobacco. Dialogue: 0,1:15:17.75,1:15:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, anything at all that's good is forbidden. Dialogue: 0,1:15:21.75,1:15:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(continues panting) Dialogue: 0,1:15:25.25,1:15:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(children giggling) Dialogue: 0,1:15:28.76,1:15:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(panting) Dialogue: 0,1:15:31.26,1:15:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know how or why Dialogue: 0,1:15:32.26,1:15:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I feel so much better. Dialogue: 0,1:15:34.26,1:15:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chuckles) Dialogue: 0,1:15:35.26,1:15:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look around me... and I don't care two hoots Dialogue: 0,1:15:38.77,1:15:41.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how any of this came to be created. Dialogue: 0,1:15:41.27,1:15:42.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(thunder rumbles) Dialogue: 0,1:15:42.27,1:15:43.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Children! Dialogue: 0,1:15:43.77,1:15:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Last one back to the house is a rice pudding. Dialogue: 0,1:15:46.78,1:15:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing): Come on, William, you're last! Dialogue: 0,1:15:48.78,1:15:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(children shouting) Dialogue: 0,1:15:49.78,1:15:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, run, quick, quick, quick! Dialogue: 0,1:15:51.28,1:15:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, Etty. Dialogue: 0,1:15:52.78,1:15:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chuckling) Dialogue: 0,1:15:56.28,1:16:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(children laughing) Dialogue: 0,1:16:04.79,1:16:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Annie! Dialogue: 0,1:16:06.30,1:16:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Annie, you won! Dialogue: 0,1:16:07.80,1:16:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Dialogue: 0,1:16:14.30,1:16:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come here, my darling! Dialogue: 0,1:16:15.80,1:16:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(grunts and laughs) Dialogue: 0,1:16:19.31,1:16:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, Annie, my dear and good child! Dialogue: 0,1:16:22.81,1:16:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(kiss) Dialogue: 0,1:16:23.81,1:16:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(chuckling) Dialogue: 0,1:16:25.31,1:16:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on. Dialogue: 0,1:16:26.32,1:16:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, darling. Dialogue: 0,1:16:30.32,1:16:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(church organ plays intro to "Rock of Ages") Dialogue: 0,1:16:32.32,1:16:36.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CONGREGATION: "While I draw this fleeting breath..." Dialogue: 0,1:16:36.29,1:16:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Erasmus singing loudly, out of tune and out of sync) Dialogue: 0,1:16:39.80,1:16:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"When my eyelids close in death" Dialogue: 0,1:16:46.80,1:16:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"When I soar through tracts unknown" Dialogue: 0,1:16:50.30,1:16:52.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(children giggling at Erasmus) Dialogue: 0,1:16:52.81,1:16:59.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"See Thee on Thy judgment throne" Dialogue: 0,1:16:59.31,1:17:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Rock of Ages, cleft for me" Dialogue: 0,1:17:05.82,1:17:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Let me hide myself in thee." Dialogue: 0,1:17:11.83,1:17:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(children laughing noisily) Dialogue: 0,1:17:14.33,1:17:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Amen." Dialogue: 0,1:17:29.84,1:17:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Papa, Annie's woke me up. Dialogue: 0,1:17:34.35,1:17:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Annie's woke me up. Dialogue: 0,1:17:40.86,1:17:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mum, wake up, wake up, Annie's crying. Dialogue: 0,1:17:43.86,1:17:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(crying softly) Dialogue: 0,1:17:49.36,1:17:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, now, what's the matter, my darling? Dialogue: 0,1:17:52.37,1:17:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's wrong? Dialogue: 0,1:17:53.87,1:17:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does your head hurt? Dialogue: 0,1:17:55.37,1:17:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, there's no fever. Dialogue: 0,1:17:57.37,1:17:58.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does it hurt here? Dialogue: 0,1:17:58.87,1:17:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(groans in pain) Dialogue: 0,1:17:59.88,1:18:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(baby cries) Dialogue: 0,1:18:02.38,1:18:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(cries softly) Dialogue: 0,1:18:04.88,1:18:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all right, my darling. Dialogue: 0,1:18:06.38,1:18:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll be all right. Dialogue: 0,1:18:12.89,1:18:13.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The doctor's coming. Dialogue: 0,1:18:13.89,1:18:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You go and get dressed. Dialogue: 0,1:18:15.39,1:18:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll stay with her. Dialogue: 0,1:18:16.39,1:18:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if she's inherited my wretched digestion? Dialogue: 0,1:18:18.39,1:18:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She'll be fine. Dialogue: 0,1:18:20.40,1:18:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Annie continues to cry) Dialogue: 0,1:18:25.40,1:18:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EMMA: Poor dear. Dialogue: 0,1:18:33.41,1:18:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did he say? Dialogue: 0,1:18:34.91,1:18:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Itisher stomach, but he has no idea what's wrong. Dialogue: 0,1:18:38.91,1:18:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perhaps I should take her to go see Dr. Gully. Dialogue: 0,1:18:41.42,1:18:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He cured me. Dialogue: 0,1:18:45.42,1:18:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EMMA: You'll be back soon Dialogue: 0,1:18:47.42,1:18:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Papa will look after you. Dialogue: 0,1:18:49.92,1:18:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon there's going to be a new baby Dialogue: 0,1:18:52.43,1:18:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I shall need your help. Dialogue: 0,1:18:54.43,1:19:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Say good-bye to Etty now. Dialogue: 0,1:19:17.95,1:19:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: I want you to sit up. Dialogue: 0,1:19:19.45,1:19:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, come on, girl, take one big gulp of this. Dialogue: 0,1:19:22.46,1:19:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, that's a good girl. Dialogue: 0,1:19:23.96,1:19:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a good girl. Dialogue: 0,1:19:24.96,1:19:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, quickly. Dialogue: 0,1:19:27.46,1:19:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(crying) Dialogue: 0,1:19:29.46,1:19:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh. Dialogue: 0,1:19:30.46,1:19:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come on, lie back. Dialogue: 0,1:19:33.97,1:19:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(whispering): That's a good girl. Dialogue: 0,1:19:39.98,1:19:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She seems so weak. Dialogue: 0,1:19:41.48,1:19:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isn't there anything you can do? Dialogue: 0,1:19:44.48,1:19:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All you can do is pray. Dialogue: 0,1:19:50.48,1:19:52.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's my fault. Dialogue: 0,1:19:52.99,1:19:57.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First-cousin marriages always produce weak children. Dialogue: 0,1:19:57.49,1:20:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's my fault. Dialogue: 0,1:20:02.50,1:20:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(breathing noisily) Dialogue: 0,1:20:16.51,1:20:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(screaming): Why?! Dialogue: 0,1:20:18.51,1:20:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(crying) Dialogue: 0,1:20:21.52,1:20:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(sobbing hysterically) Dialogue: 0,1:20:36.53,1:20:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've given the cause of death Dialogue: 0,1:20:38.53,1:20:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as bilious fever with a typhoid character. Dialogue: 0,1:20:43.54,1:20:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Dialogue: 0,1:20:48.04,1:20:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please! Dialogue: 0,1:20:49.54,1:21:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't! Dialogue: 0,1:21:03.56,1:21:08.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, Charles, God grant us strength. Dialogue: 0,1:21:08.56,1:21:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(weeping) Dialogue: 0,1:21:25.58,1:21:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(sniffling) Dialogue: 0,1:21:55.11,1:22:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(bird calling) Dialogue: 0,1:22:12.13,1:22:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please, Charles, please. Dialogue: 0,1:22:19.63,1:22:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Come along, children. Dialogue: 0,1:22:25.64,1:22:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(church organ playing "All Things Bright and Beautiful") Dialogue: 0,1:22:34.65,1:22:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CONGREGATION (inside church): "All things bright and beautiful" Dialogue: 0,1:22:39.15,1:22:43.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"All creatures great and small" Dialogue: 0,1:22:43.66,1:22:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"All things wise and wonderful" Dialogue: 0,1:22:47.66,1:22:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The Lord God made them all." Dialogue: 0,1:22:52.17,1:22:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOORE: What Annie's death did to Darwin's faith Dialogue: 0,1:22:55.67,1:22:58.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was mainly to destroy Christianity. Dialogue: 0,1:22:58.67,1:23:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He could no longer see Dialogue: 0,1:23:00.68,1:23:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a good God ordered and superintended Dialogue: 0,1:23:04.18,1:23:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the events of human life and of the universe. Dialogue: 0,1:23:08.18,1:23:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he believed that she did not deserve punishment Dialogue: 0,1:23:11.69,1:23:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by God, or by nature either. Dialogue: 0,1:23:13.69,1:23:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She had simply fallen victim to the struggle for existence: Dialogue: 0,1:23:17.69,1:23:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the amoral, purposeless struggle Dialogue: 0,1:23:20.20,1:23:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that ran according to laws of nature. Dialogue: 0,1:23:27.20,1:23:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,STEPHEN JAY GOULD: Darwin certainly didn't think Dialogue: 0,1:23:30.20,1:23:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that evolution spoke either for or against Dialogue: 0,1:23:32.71,1:23:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the unprovable existence of... God, or a form of God. Dialogue: 0,1:23:39.21,1:23:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't desire to cast disparagement Dialogue: 0,1:23:41.72,1:23:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on anyone's religious convictions. Dialogue: 0,1:23:44.22,1:23:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He regarded it as a private matter Dialogue: 0,1:23:46.72,1:23:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which he was never able to hold with conventional zeal Dialogue: 0,1:23:51.23,1:23:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,following the tragedy of his life. Dialogue: 0,1:23:58.23,1:24:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CHILDREN: "All things bright and beautiful" Dialogue: 0,1:24:02.24,1:24:06.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"All creatures great and small" Dialogue: 0,1:24:06.74,1:24:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"All things wise and wonderful" Dialogue: 0,1:24:10.74,1:24:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The Lord God made them all" Dialogue: 0,1:24:15.25,1:24:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The purple-headed mountains" Dialogue: 0,1:24:19.25,1:24:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The river running by..." Dialogue: 0,1:24:23.76,1:24:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Today scientists hold all conceivable views on religion: Dialogue: 0,1:24:28.26,1:24:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from atheism to agnosticism to a general spirituality. Dialogue: 0,1:24:32.27,1:24:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And many, like biologist Ken Miller Dialogue: 0,1:24:35.27,1:24:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adhere to very traditional beliefs. Dialogue: 0,1:24:38.27,1:24:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KENNETH MILLER: I am an orthodox Catholic, and I'm an orthodox Darwinist. Dialogue: 0,1:24:43.28,1:24:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My idea of God is a supreme being Dialogue: 0,1:24:45.78,1:24:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who acts in concert with the principles and the ideas Dialogue: 0,1:24:49.78,1:24:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Darwin explained to us about the origin of species. Dialogue: 0,1:24:54.79,1:24:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My students often ask me, "You say you believe in God. Dialogue: 0,1:24:57.79,1:24:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Well, what kind of God? Dialogue: 0,1:24:58.79,1:25:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Is it a fashionable, new-age God? Dialogue: 0,1:25:01.80,1:25:03.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"A pyramid-power kind of God? Dialogue: 0,1:25:03.30,1:25:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do you think, like some scientists do Dialogue: 0,1:25:05.30,1:25:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that God is the sum total of the laws of physics?" Dialogue: 0,1:25:08.30,1:25:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I shake those off Dialogue: 0,1:25:09.80,1:25:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say that my religious belief is entirely conventional. Dialogue: 0,1:25:12.81,1:25:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,PRIEST AND CONGREGATION: Our Father, who art in heaven Dialogue: 0,1:25:15.88,1:25:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hallowed be thy name. Dialogue: 0,1:25:17.88,1:25:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MILLER: It surprises students very often that anyone could say that Dialogue: 0,1:25:22.00,1:25:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind of very traditional, conventional religious belief Dialogue: 0,1:25:25.89,1:25:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be compatible with evolution, but it is. Dialogue: 0,1:25:28.89,1:25:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,PRIEST: ...peace and unity of Your Kingdom Dialogue: 0,1:25:30.89,1:25:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you live forever and ever. Dialogue: 0,1:25:32.39,1:25:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CONGREGATION: Amen. Dialogue: 0,1:25:34.40,1:25:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find this absolutely wonderful consistency Dialogue: 0,1:25:36.90,1:25:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with what I understand about the universe from science Dialogue: 0,1:25:39.90,1:25:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what I understand about the universe from faith. Dialogue: 0,1:25:42.90,1:25:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ANNOUNCER (on radio): Tennessee's premier morning radio talk show; Dialogue: 0,1:25:45.91,1:25:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Hallerin Hilton Hill Morning Show Dialogue: 0,1:25:49.41,1:25:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on NewsTalk 99, WNOX-AM/FM, Loudon/Knoxville. Dialogue: 0,1:25:54.42,1:25:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(electronic beeping) Dialogue: 0,1:25:56.92,1:25:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,12 past the hour of 6:00. Dialogue: 0,1:25:57.92,1:25:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's my pleasure to welcome Dialogue: 0,1:25:59.42,1:26:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the broadcast this morning Dialogue: 0,1:26:01.42,1:26:02.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. Kenneth Miller. Dialogue: 0,1:26:02.42,1:26:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a professor of biology at Brown University. Dialogue: 0,1:26:04.93,1:26:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His book is entitled Dialogue: 0,1:26:06.43,1:26:09.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finding Darwin's God: A Scientist's Search Dialogue: 0,1:26:09.43,1:26:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Common Ground between God and Evolution. Dialogue: 0,1:26:12.43,1:26:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's in town tonight. Dialogue: 0,1:26:13.94,1:26:17.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me ask you this: as a cellular biologist Dialogue: 0,1:26:17.94,1:26:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when in your experience... are you studying something Dialogue: 0,1:26:22.44,1:26:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reading something, or doing some research... Dialogue: 0,1:26:25.95,1:26:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when do you come to the point where you go, "That's God"? Dialogue: 0,1:26:30.45,1:26:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As an experimental scientist, I don't find God Dialogue: 0,1:26:32.95,1:26:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the insufficiency of science to explain things. Dialogue: 0,1:26:35.96,1:26:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, I don't find God in ignorance; Dialogue: 0,1:26:38.46,1:26:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't find God because we say, "Well, we can't explain that, Dialogue: 0,1:26:41.46,1:26:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that must be something that God's doing." Dialogue: 0,1:26:43.46,1:26:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what did God do? Dialogue: 0,1:26:44.97,1:26:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did he just create some kind of primordial soup and say, "Go"? Dialogue: 0,1:26:50.47,1:26:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, a long time ago people were sufficiently unknowing Dialogue: 0,1:26:53.47,1:26:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how things worked in the natural world Dialogue: 0,1:26:55.48,1:26:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see when the Sun moved across the sky Dialogue: 0,1:26:57.48,1:27:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they imagined that God had to push that Sun across the sky. Dialogue: 0,1:27:00.48,1:27:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And gradually we began to realize Dialogue: 0,1:27:02.48,1:27:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the world works according to physical laws. Dialogue: 0,1:27:04.99,1:27:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Science investigated those laws. Dialogue: 0,1:27:06.49,1:27:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what room is there for God in... in present-day life? Dialogue: 0,1:27:09.49,1:27:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I think if you ask people who are believers Dialogue: 0,1:27:11.99,1:27:13.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"How does God act?" Dialogue: 0,1:27:13.49,1:27:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would say he acts in a variety of ways: Dialogue: 0,1:27:15.50,1:27:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he answers our prayers, he inspires us. Dialogue: 0,1:27:17.50,1:27:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No doubt there are events that take place Dialogue: 0,1:27:19.50,1:27:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are part of what some people might call "God's plan." Dialogue: 0,1:27:22.50,1:27:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what I would suggest Dialogue: 0,1:27:24.00,1:27:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is if you look back in Earth's history Dialogue: 0,1:27:26.51,1:27:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if God is working today Dialogue: 0,1:27:28.01,1:27:30.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in concert with the laws of nature, Dialogue: 0,1:27:30.51,1:27:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with physical laws and so forth. Dialogue: 0,1:27:32.01,1:27:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He probably worked in concert with them in the past. Dialogue: 0,1:27:34.02,1:27:35.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a sense... in a sense Dialogue: 0,1:27:35.52,1:27:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's the guy who made up the rules of the game Dialogue: 0,1:27:37.52,1:27:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and He manages to act within those rules. Dialogue: 0,1:27:43.52,1:27:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: For Miller, and millions of followers of all major religions Dialogue: 0,1:27:48.03,1:27:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,notions of God and evolution are fully compatible. Dialogue: 0,1:27:52.03,1:27:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CONGREGATION: "You take away the sins of..." Dialogue: 0,1:27:54.04,1:27:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: But not everyone agrees. Dialogue: 0,1:27:59.54,1:28:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DENNETT: When we replace Dialogue: 0,1:28:01.54,1:28:06.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the traditional idea of God, the creator, with the idea Dialogue: 0,1:28:06.05,1:28:10.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the process of natural selection doing the creating Dialogue: 0,1:28:10.55,1:28:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the creation is as wonderful as it ever was. Dialogue: 0,1:28:13.55,1:28:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All that great design work had to be done. Dialogue: 0,1:28:16.56,1:28:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just wasn't done by an individual; it was done Dialogue: 0,1:28:19.56,1:28:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by this huge process distributed over billions of years. Dialogue: 0,1:28:23.56,1:28:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God created man in His image. Dialogue: 0,1:28:27.57,1:28:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the image of God, He created him. Dialogue: 0,1:28:31.57,1:28:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Male and female, He created them. Dialogue: 0,1:28:35.08,1:28:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DENNETT: Whereas people used to think of meaning coming from on high Dialogue: 0,1:28:38.58,1:28:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and being ordained from the top down Dialogue: 0,1:28:40.58,1:28:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now we have Darwin saying, "No, all of this design can happen Dialogue: 0,1:28:44.08,1:28:46.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"all of this purpose can emerge Dialogue: 0,1:28:46.09,1:28:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the bottom up, without any direction at all." Dialogue: 0,1:28:49.09,1:28:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's a very unsettling thought for many people. Dialogue: 0,1:28:52.09,1:28:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Darwin's day, science and politics and religion Dialogue: 0,1:28:57.10,1:28:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were all of a piece Dialogue: 0,1:28:58.60,1:29:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you talked about the origins of life and of species. Dialogue: 0,1:29:03.10,1:29:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Astronomy could go along pretty well Dialogue: 0,1:29:05.11,1:29:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it could testify to the wisdom and power of God Dialogue: 0,1:29:08.11,1:29:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in holding the planets in place... Dialogue: 0,1:29:10.61,1:29:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the idea of evolution Dialogue: 0,1:29:12.61,1:29:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or "transmutation," people said with a snarl, Dialogue: 0,1:29:15.62,1:29:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put in jeopardy the whole established social order. Dialogue: 0,1:29:21.62,1:29:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is in this "Big Book" of his Dialogue: 0,1:29:24.12,1:29:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think? Dialogue: 0,1:29:25.13,1:29:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Transmutation. Dialogue: 0,1:29:27.13,1:29:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(sighing) Dialogue: 0,1:29:28.63,1:29:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another Darwin Dialogue: 0,1:29:29.63,1:29:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blotting God out of creation. Dialogue: 0,1:29:31.13,1:29:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to support Dialogue: 0,1:29:32.63,1:29:35.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your scheme for a museum of natural history. Dialogue: 0,1:29:35.64,1:29:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people see it Dialogue: 0,1:29:37.14,1:29:39.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as rash, extravagant, grandiose. Dialogue: 0,1:29:39.14,1:29:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it's grand, it's because it should house Dialogue: 0,1:29:42.14,1:29:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as wide a display as possible. Dialogue: 0,1:29:44.14,1:29:46.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we need your help in return. Dialogue: 0,1:29:46.15,1:29:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is up to you Dialogue: 0,1:29:47.65,1:29:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the country's leading anatomist and paleontologist Dialogue: 0,1:29:51.15,1:29:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prove man's superiority. Dialogue: 0,1:29:52.65,1:29:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We won't have street ruffians tout man's monkey origin Dialogue: 0,1:29:57.16,1:29:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Her Majesty's museums. Dialogue: 0,1:29:59.16,1:30:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can rely on me, Bishop Wilberforce. Dialogue: 0,1:30:03.16,1:30:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OWEN: The human brain differs markedly from that of all other mammals. Dialogue: 0,1:30:11.67,1:30:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In man, not only do the cerebral hemispheres overlap Dialogue: 0,1:30:17.18,1:30:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the olfactory lobes and the cerebellum... Dialogue: 0,1:30:21.18,1:30:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they extend in advance of the one Dialogue: 0,1:30:24.68,1:30:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and farther back than the other. Dialogue: 0,1:30:27.69,1:30:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their posterior development is so marked, that I have assigned Dialogue: 0,1:30:33.19,1:30:38.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that part the character of a third lobe Dialogue: 0,1:30:38.70,1:30:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,peculiar to Homo sapiens: the hippocampus minor. Dialogue: 0,1:30:44.20,1:30:46.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience murmuring) Dialogue: 0,1:30:46.21,1:30:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Peculiar mental faculties are associated Dialogue: 0,1:30:49.21,1:30:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this highest form of brain, and I am led, therefore Dialogue: 0,1:30:54.22,1:30:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to regard man not merely as representative Dialogue: 0,1:30:57.72,1:31:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a distinct subclass... Dialogue: 0,1:31:00.22,1:31:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(approving laughter) Dialogue: 0,1:31:02.22,1:31:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as the inhabitant of one reserved for him alone. Dialogue: 0,1:31:07.73,1:31:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The human brain is in itself proof Dialogue: 0,1:31:11.23,1:31:15.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of man's moral and religious faculties. Dialogue: 0,1:31:15.24,1:31:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such are the powers with which we, and we alone, are gifted. Dialogue: 0,1:31:21.74,1:31:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience cheering) Dialogue: 0,1:31:27.25,1:31:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: I wonder what a chimpanzee would have to say Dialogue: 0,1:31:29.75,1:31:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about that, Mr. Huxley. Dialogue: 0,1:31:30.75,1:31:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HUXLEY: I think it's priceless. Dialogue: 0,1:31:32.75,1:31:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His theory is a house built on sand, Dialogue: 0,1:31:34.76,1:31:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Corinthian portico on cow dung. Dialogue: 0,1:31:36.26,1:31:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: Yes. Dialogue: 0,1:31:37.76,1:31:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Damn all the sanctimonious meddlers Dialogue: 0,1:31:40.26,1:31:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who try and stifle troublesome research. Dialogue: 0,1:31:43.26,1:31:46.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ultimate court of appeal of science Dialogue: 0,1:31:46.27,1:31:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is observation and experiment Dialogue: 0,1:31:48.27,1:31:50.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not authority, wealth and rank. Dialogue: 0,1:31:50.77,1:31:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your disagreements with Owen should not be personal. Dialogue: 0,1:31:54.78,1:31:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't help it. Dialogue: 0,1:31:56.78,1:31:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's so pompous. Dialogue: 0,1:31:58.28,1:32:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The prospect of his slipping Dialogue: 0,1:32:00.28,1:32:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on one of his pickled brains Dialogue: 0,1:32:02.28,1:32:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just too good to be true. Dialogue: 0,1:32:04.28,1:32:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bad feeling will only cloud the issue Dialogue: 0,1:32:07.29,1:32:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lead to bad science. Dialogue: 0,1:32:09.29,1:32:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tell that to Owen. Dialogue: 0,1:32:24.30,1:32:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: Huxley's saying in public Dialogue: 0,1:32:26.81,1:32:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you think in private. Dialogue: 0,1:32:28.31,1:32:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles, you've stalled long enough. Dialogue: 0,1:32:30.31,1:32:32.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've collected enough barnacles Dialogue: 0,1:32:32.31,1:32:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sink a ship-of-the-line. Dialogue: 0,1:32:33.81,1:32:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meanwhile, you're being upstaged. Dialogue: 0,1:32:35.32,1:32:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not important. Dialogue: 0,1:32:37.32,1:32:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My book is the thing... once my work is done. Dialogue: 0,1:32:41.82,1:32:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will it deal with man? Dialogue: 0,1:32:43.82,1:32:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's too surrounded by prejudices. Dialogue: 0,1:32:46.83,1:32:49.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, whether it does or it doesn't Dialogue: 0,1:32:49.33,1:33:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you must publish. Dialogue: 0,1:33:20.86,1:33:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my God. Dialogue: 0,1:33:24.36,1:33:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ras... Dialogue: 0,1:33:25.37,1:33:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it? Dialogue: 0,1:33:31.37,1:33:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: Who is Alfred Wallace? Dialogue: 0,1:33:35.88,1:33:37.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: My dear Huxley Dialogue: 0,1:33:37.38,1:33:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's like a précis of my theory. Dialogue: 0,1:33:40.88,1:33:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All my originality, whatever its worth, has been smashed. Dialogue: 0,1:33:44.38,1:33:48.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Had Wallace a copy of the essay I'd written in '44 in front of him Dialogue: 0,1:33:48.39,1:33:51.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he couldn't have written a better short abstract! Dialogue: 0,1:33:51.39,1:33:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Variations being pushed further and further from parent species Dialogue: 0,1:33:55.40,1:33:57.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a struggle for existence... Dialogue: 0,1:33:57.40,1:33:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overpopulation... Dialogue: 0,1:33:58.90,1:34:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's all there. Dialogue: 0,1:34:00.40,1:34:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is your book ready for publication? Dialogue: 0,1:34:02.40,1:34:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Publish! Dialogue: 0,1:34:03.90,1:34:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can I publish? Dialogue: 0,1:34:05.41,1:34:06.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Honorably? Dialogue: 0,1:34:06.41,1:34:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd sooner burn the blasted thing Dialogue: 0,1:34:08.41,1:34:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than have him, or anyone else, think Dialogue: 0,1:34:10.91,1:34:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I behaved in a paltry spirit. Dialogue: 0,1:34:12.91,1:34:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then publish a joint paper, Dialogue: 0,1:34:14.42,1:34:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,excerpts from your work Dialogue: 0,1:34:15.92,1:34:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along with Wallace's essay. Dialogue: 0,1:34:17.92,1:34:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you must prepare a manuscript for publication. Dialogue: 0,1:34:20.92,1:34:22.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who knows? Dialogue: 0,1:34:22.42,1:34:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It may all be for the best. Dialogue: 0,1:34:23.92,1:34:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At last we'll finally get to learn your views in full. Dialogue: 0,1:34:45.65,1:34:47.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(gasping) Dialogue: 0,1:34:47.65,1:34:49.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles, what is it? Dialogue: 0,1:34:49.65,1:34:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(breathing heavily) Dialogue: 0,1:34:53.15,1:34:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This book will be the death of me. Dialogue: 0,1:34:55.66,1:34:57.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh... Dialogue: 0,1:34:57.16,1:35:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shh... Dialogue: 0,1:35:00.16,1:35:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What a miserable wretch I'd be without you near me. Dialogue: 0,1:35:16.18,1:35:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: When on board H.M.S.Beagle as naturalist Dialogue: 0,1:35:20.18,1:35:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was much struck with certain facts in the distribution Dialogue: 0,1:35:23.18,1:35:28.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the organic beings inhabiting South America... Dialogue: 0,1:35:28.19,1:35:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the geological relations Dialogue: 0,1:35:30.19,1:35:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the present to the past inhabitants of that continent. Dialogue: 0,1:35:39.20,1:35:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These facts seemed to throw some light Dialogue: 0,1:35:42.20,1:35:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the origin of species... Dialogue: 0,1:35:53.21,1:36:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that mystery of mysteries... Dialogue: 0,1:36:19.74,1:36:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EMMA: The Times is very positive. Dialogue: 0,1:36:21.24,1:36:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should think so, it's Huxley. Dialogue: 0,1:36:25.25,1:36:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Athenaeum wants me tried, in the Divinity Hall, the College Dialogue: 0,1:36:29.75,1:36:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the lecture room and museum. Dialogue: 0,1:36:31.75,1:36:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My book is no more unorthodox than the subject demands. Dialogue: 0,1:36:35.26,1:36:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't discuss the origins of man; Dialogue: 0,1:36:37.76,1:36:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't discuss Genesis. Dialogue: 0,1:36:39.76,1:36:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Charles, don't be so naive. Dialogue: 0,1:36:43.76,1:36:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's clear you think man is no exception. Dialogue: 0,1:36:47.27,1:36:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether you're right or wrong Dialogue: 0,1:36:49.27,1:36:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you must finish what you started. Dialogue: 0,1:36:57.28,1:36:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OWEN: Darwin? Dialogue: 0,1:36:58.78,1:37:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin! Dialogue: 0,1:37:00.28,1:37:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, Owen! Dialogue: 0,1:37:01.78,1:37:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How dare you?! Dialogue: 0,1:37:03.78,1:37:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How dare you paint me as a reactionary?! Dialogue: 0,1:37:05.79,1:37:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't paint you as a reactionary. Dialogue: 0,1:37:07.29,1:37:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How dare you put my name Dialogue: 0,1:37:08.29,1:37:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the defenders of immutability? Dialogue: 0,1:37:10.29,1:37:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is my concept of the ordained continuous becoming Dialogue: 0,1:37:12.69,1:37:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of living things to be ignored? Dialogue: 0,1:37:14.30,1:37:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what does it mean? Dialogue: 0,1:37:15.30,1:37:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know what it means. Dialogue: 0,1:37:16.80,1:37:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means... Dialogue: 0,1:37:17.80,1:37:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means animals appearing out of thin air! Dialogue: 0,1:37:19.80,1:37:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not at all! Dialogue: 0,1:37:20.80,1:37:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You believe that selection Dialogue: 0,1:37:22.80,1:37:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the only possible creative law. Dialogue: 0,1:37:24.80,1:37:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pure chance, the roll of the dice. Dialogue: 0,1:37:26.81,1:37:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, new species are created Dialogue: 0,1:37:28.81,1:37:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by natural birth according to God's law! Dialogue: 0,1:37:31.31,1:37:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I don't believe... Dialogue: 0,1:37:32.81,1:37:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know who's put you up to this. Dialogue: 0,1:37:33.81,1:37:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Huxley! Dialogue: 0,1:37:34.82,1:37:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please, Richard. Dialogue: 0,1:37:35.82,1:37:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will have absolutely no truck Dialogue: 0,1:37:37.32,1:37:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Huxleys of this world Dialogue: 0,1:37:38.82,1:37:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nor should you! Dialogue: 0,1:37:39.82,1:37:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is an abuse of science. Dialogue: 0,1:37:40.82,1:37:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You should be ashamed of yourself! Dialogue: 0,1:37:42.32,1:37:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your book is a snub to the clergy Dialogue: 0,1:37:43.82,1:37:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and an insult to humanity. Dialogue: 0,1:37:44.82,1:37:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's nihilism! Dialogue: 0,1:37:46.33,1:37:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only a man devoid of a soul Dialogue: 0,1:37:47.83,1:37:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could find solace in a bestial ancestry. Dialogue: 0,1:37:57.84,1:37:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughing) Dialogue: 0,1:37:59.84,1:38:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it's as respectable to be modified monkey Dialogue: 0,1:38:02.84,1:38:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as modified dirt. Dialogue: 0,1:38:03.84,1:38:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Huxley, please... Dialogue: 0,1:38:05.35,1:38:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's splendid. Dialogue: 0,1:38:07.35,1:38:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Old ladies of both sexes say it's a dangerous book. Dialogue: 0,1:38:11.35,1:38:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Splendid. Dialogue: 0,1:38:13.35,1:38:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't worry. Dialogue: 0,1:38:14.86,1:38:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll deal with him. Dialogue: 0,1:38:16.86,1:38:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm sharpening my beak and claws in readiness. Dialogue: 0,1:38:20.86,1:38:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(sighs) Dialogue: 0,1:38:22.86,1:38:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(men cheering and clapping) Dialogue: 0,1:38:30.37,1:38:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any contribution to our natural history Dialogue: 0,1:38:34.38,1:38:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the pen of Mr. Charles Darwin Dialogue: 0,1:38:36.88,1:38:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is certain to command attention. Dialogue: 0,1:38:38.88,1:38:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His latest publication, The Origin of Species, Dialogue: 0,1:38:43.38,1:38:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is manifestly regarded by him Dialogue: 0,1:38:46.39,1:38:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the opus upon which his future fame is to rest. Dialogue: 0,1:38:51.89,1:38:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mr. Darwin claims Dialogue: 0,1:38:54.90,1:39:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that every living thing, every fish, plant, fungus... Dialogue: 0,1:39:01.90,1:39:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience laughing) Dialogue: 0,1:39:03.40,1:39:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fly... Dialogue: 0,1:39:04.90,1:39:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter) Dialogue: 0,1:39:05.91,1:39:06.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elephant... Dialogue: 0,1:39:06.91,1:39:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter increases) Dialogue: 0,1:39:08.41,1:39:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,man... Dialogue: 0,1:39:09.41,1:39:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(laughter and applause) Dialogue: 0,1:39:10.91,1:39:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turnip... Dialogue: 0,1:39:13.91,1:39:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are all equally the lineal descendants Dialogue: 0,1:39:17.42,1:39:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the same common ancestor. Dialogue: 0,1:39:20.42,1:39:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such a notion is absolutely incompatible Dialogue: 0,1:39:24.92,1:39:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the word of God. Dialogue: 0,1:39:27.43,1:39:30.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MEN: Hear, hear. Dialogue: 0,1:39:30.93,1:39:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Man was made in the image of God and redeemed by the Eternal Son. Dialogue: 0,1:39:37.44,1:39:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Natural selection is an ingenious theory for denying Dialogue: 0,1:39:43.44,1:39:50.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the working, and therefore the existence, of the Creator. Dialogue: 0,1:39:50.95,1:39:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the human brain differs markedly Dialogue: 0,1:39:53.45,1:39:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from that of all other mammals. Dialogue: 0,1:39:55.46,1:39:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HUXLEY: Unfortunately, my Lord Bishop Dialogue: 0,1:39:57.96,1:40:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have been misinformed. Dialogue: 0,1:40:05.47,1:40:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we are unprejudiced judges, we have to admit Dialogue: 0,1:40:10.97,1:40:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is as little interval (as animals) Dialogue: 0,1:40:14.48,1:40:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the gorilla and the man Dialogue: 0,1:40:16.98,1:40:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as there is between the gorilla and the baboon. Dialogue: 0,1:40:21.98,1:40:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is... it is speech alone, and not some spiritual gift Dialogue: 0,1:40:29.49,1:40:32.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes man a reasonable being. Dialogue: 0,1:40:32.99,1:40:36.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the source of our unlimited intellectual progress. Dialogue: 0,1:40:36.100,1:40:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that does not disguise the fact Dialogue: 0,1:40:39.50,1:40:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that to the very root and foundation of his nature Dialogue: 0,1:40:43.50,1:40:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,man is one with the rest of the organic world. Dialogue: 0,1:40:47.01,1:40:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(booing and jeering) Dialogue: 0,1:40:49.01,1:40:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one... no one who has ever dissected the brain of an ape Dialogue: 0,1:40:53.51,1:40:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agrees with Professor Owen. Dialogue: 0,1:40:55.52,1:40:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His findings are wrong. Dialogue: 0,1:40:57.02,1:41:01.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can only assume that Professor Owen's brain Dialogue: 0,1:41:01.02,1:41:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,must have shrunk in the pickling jar. Dialogue: 0,1:41:05.02,1:41:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I meant, of course Dialogue: 0,1:41:06.03,1:41:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the chimpanzees' brains he had examined. Dialogue: 0,1:41:08.53,1:41:11.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, Lord! Dialogue: 0,1:41:11.03,1:41:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was then that God delivered Wilberforce Dialogue: 0,1:41:14.03,1:41:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into my hands. Dialogue: 0,1:41:15.54,1:41:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience clamoring) Dialogue: 0,1:41:20.54,1:41:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder, Mr. Huxley. Dialogue: 0,1:41:24.04,1:41:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it through your grandfather or your grandmother Dialogue: 0,1:41:27.55,1:41:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you claim descent from an ape? Dialogue: 0,1:41:30.05,1:41:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(uproarious laughter) Dialogue: 0,1:41:33.55,1:41:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I stood up... Dialogue: 0,1:41:35.56,1:41:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very quiet, very grave Dialogue: 0,1:41:38.56,1:41:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and said my say with perfect good temper. Dialogue: 0,1:41:43.56,1:41:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the question... Dialogue: 0,1:41:45.06,1:41:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the question is put to me Dialogue: 0,1:41:47.07,1:41:51.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would I rather have a miserable ape for a grandfather Dialogue: 0,1:41:51.07,1:41:54.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a man, highly intelligent Dialogue: 0,1:41:54.07,1:41:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,possessed of great means of influence Dialogue: 0,1:41:57.58,1:42:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and yet who employed these faculties and that influence Dialogue: 0,1:42:01.58,1:42:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the mere purpose of introducing ridicule Dialogue: 0,1:42:05.08,1:42:08.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a grave scientific discussion Dialogue: 0,1:42:08.59,1:42:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I unhesitatingly affirm my preference for the ape. Dialogue: 0,1:42:14.60,1:42:15.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't! Dialogue: 0,1:42:15.60,1:42:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said that, or something very like that. Dialogue: 0,1:42:18.60,1:42:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How dare you attack Dialogue: 0,1:42:20.10,1:42:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a live bishop in public? Dialogue: 0,1:42:22.10,1:42:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you no respect for the purple waistcoat? Dialogue: 0,1:42:24.10,1:42:27.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HUXLEY: Lady Brewster fainted, had to be carried from the room. Dialogue: 0,1:42:27.11,1:42:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then Admiral FitzRoy Dialogue: 0,1:42:28.11,1:42:30.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got to his feet. Dialogue: 0,1:42:30.61,1:42:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FitzRoy? Dialogue: 0,1:42:31.61,1:42:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(audience clamoring) Dialogue: 0,1:42:35.62,1:42:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This! Dialogue: 0,1:42:37.12,1:42:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Believe in this! Dialogue: 0,1:42:38.62,1:42:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Believe in God, not man! Dialogue: 0,1:42:44.62,1:42:54.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, my. Dialogue: 0,1:42:54.97,1:42:58.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DARWIN: We'll probably never know the truth. Dialogue: 0,1:42:58.47,1:43:00.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ERASMUS: Well, the truth, Charles, is in your book. Dialogue: 0,1:43:00.97,1:43:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the most interesting thing I've ever read. Dialogue: 0,1:43:03.98,1:43:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reasoning Dialogue: 0,1:43:04.98,1:43:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is so entirely satisfactory to me Dialogue: 0,1:43:07.48,1:43:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that... if the facts don't fit Dialogue: 0,1:43:10.48,1:43:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then, well... Dialogue: 0,1:43:11.48,1:43:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so much the worse for the facts. Dialogue: 0,1:43:15.99,1:43:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The shakes. Dialogue: 0,1:43:17.49,1:43:24.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Time I was naturally selected. Dialogue: 0,1:43:24.100,1:43:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DENNETT: For more than a century, people have often thought Dialogue: 0,1:43:28.50,1:43:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the conclusion to draw from Darwin's vision Dialogue: 0,1:43:31.00,1:43:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that Homo sapiens, our species Dialogue: 0,1:43:34.01,1:43:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're just animals too, we're just mammals; Dialogue: 0,1:43:36.51,1:43:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is nothing morally special about us. Dialogue: 0,1:43:40.01,1:43:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I myself don't think Dialogue: 0,1:43:41.52,1:43:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this follows at all from Darwin's vision Dialogue: 0,1:43:43.52,1:43:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is certainly the received view in many quarters. Dialogue: 0,1:43:49.02,1:43:52.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Ever sinceThe Origin of Species was published Dialogue: 0,1:43:52.02,1:43:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strict believers in biblical creation Dialogue: 0,1:43:54.03,1:44:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have attacked Darwin's vision. Dialogue: 0,1:44:01.03,1:44:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their concerns aren't only about the science of evolution. Dialogue: 0,1:44:05.54,1:44:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At stake, many believe Dialogue: 0,1:44:07.54,1:44:13.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is nothing less than the human soul. Dialogue: 0,1:44:13.05,1:44:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOORE: To suggest that animals and plants Dialogue: 0,1:44:15.55,1:44:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and us, humans, came into being in a natural law-like way Dialogue: 0,1:44:19.55,1:44:21.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the way the planets move Dialogue: 0,1:44:21.56,1:44:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was to put in jeopardy the human soul. Dialogue: 0,1:44:24.06,1:44:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the human soul is the crux of the matter Dialogue: 0,1:44:26.06,1:44:29.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because if we are not different from animals Dialogue: 0,1:44:29.06,1:44:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we don't live forever in heaven or in hell Dialogue: 0,1:44:32.57,1:44:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then why should we behave other than like animals in this life? Dialogue: 0,1:44:40.07,1:44:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN: In the 19th century, in Darwin's time Dialogue: 0,1:44:42.58,1:44:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was audacious to claim Dialogue: 0,1:44:44.08,1:44:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that humans and chimps were closely related. Dialogue: 0,1:44:46.58,1:44:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There wasn't that much scientific evidence. Dialogue: 0,1:44:49.08,1:44:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But since that time the evidence has become strong. Dialogue: 0,1:44:52.08,1:44:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, we saw the fossil record appear. Dialogue: 0,1:44:55.59,1:45:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Evidence of human ancestors that had apelike features Dialogue: 0,1:45:01.60,1:45:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,established the plausibility of the idea Dialogue: 0,1:45:04.10,1:45:07.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that humans and chimps had common ancestors. Dialogue: 0,1:45:07.60,1:45:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then in the last 20 years Dialogue: 0,1:45:09.60,1:45:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've seen the emergence of a whole new type of data Dialogue: 0,1:45:12.61,1:45:15.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's established a close relationship Dialogue: 0,1:45:15.11,1:45:18.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between chimps and humans. Dialogue: 0,1:45:18.11,1:45:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that comes from the analysis of DNA. Dialogue: 0,1:45:24.12,1:45:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,PAGE: This is DNA. Dialogue: 0,1:45:25.62,1:45:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got DNA, chimps have got DNA, Dialogue: 0,1:45:28.62,1:45:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bacteria have got DNA, petunias have got DNA, Dialogue: 0,1:45:32.63,1:45:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crabs have got DNA. Dialogue: 0,1:45:34.13,1:45:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every living animal, plant, fish, frog has got DNA Dialogue: 0,1:45:38.63,1:45:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we compare the DNAs of any two species Dialogue: 0,1:45:41.64,1:45:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can establish how closely related they are one to another. Dialogue: 0,1:45:48.64,1:45:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: In the early days of DNA research Dialogue: 0,1:45:51.64,1:45:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a double strand of DNA was extracted Dialogue: 0,1:45:54.65,1:45:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from each species to be compared. Dialogue: 0,1:45:58.15,1:46:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When heated, the strands split apart. Dialogue: 0,1:46:02.66,1:46:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the single strands from each creature Dialogue: 0,1:46:05.66,1:46:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were put together and allowed to cool Dialogue: 0,1:46:08.16,1:46:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the two always combined to form the familiar double helix. Dialogue: 0,1:46:14.17,1:46:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The degree to which the strands mated successfully Dialogue: 0,1:46:18.17,1:46:21.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a measure of their similarity. Dialogue: 0,1:46:21.17,1:46:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It turned out that human DNA and chimp DNA Dialogue: 0,1:46:25.18,1:46:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,combined almost perfectly. Dialogue: 0,1:46:28.18,1:46:32.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today, this similarity can be seen even more precisely. Dialogue: 0,1:46:32.69,1:46:38.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DNA sequences can now be "read" letter by letter. Dialogue: 0,1:46:38.69,1:46:41.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,PAGE: Here we're looking at the DNA sequences Dialogue: 0,1:46:41.19,1:46:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of one particular gene as found in human and chimp Dialogue: 0,1:46:44.70,1:46:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what's immediately evident Dialogue: 0,1:46:46.70,1:46:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that humans and chimps have DNAs that are 98% identical. Dialogue: 0,1:46:51.70,1:46:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're basically the same; Dialogue: 0,1:46:53.21,1:46:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are just a couple of spelling changes. Dialogue: 0,1:46:55.71,1:46:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are there only a couple of spelling changes? Dialogue: 0,1:46:59.21,1:47:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we and chimps had a common ancestor Dialogue: 0,1:47:02.72,1:47:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only a few million years ago Dialogue: 0,1:47:04.22,1:47:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these few spelling differences Dialogue: 0,1:47:07.22,1:47:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have accumulated during the propagation of this DNA Dialogue: 0,1:47:11.22,1:47:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during those few million years. Dialogue: 0,1:47:12.73,1:47:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If more time had passed since we had our last common ancestor Dialogue: 0,1:47:16.23,1:47:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more spelling changes would have accumulated. Dialogue: 0,1:47:20.23,1:47:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: If the same gene from a rat is compared Dialogue: 0,1:47:23.24,1:47:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many more spelling differences are seen. Dialogue: 0,1:47:30.24,1:47:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's because our common ancestor with the rat Dialogue: 0,1:47:33.75,1:47:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lived about 80 million or 100 million years ago Dialogue: 0,1:47:37.25,1:47:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's been much more time Dialogue: 0,1:47:38.75,1:47:48.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for spelling differences to accumulate. Dialogue: 0,1:47:48.26,1:47:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Chimpanzees and humans Dialogue: 0,1:47:50.26,1:47:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are made from blueprints that are 98% the same. Dialogue: 0,1:47:55.27,1:47:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what about the ways Dialogue: 0,1:47:57.27,1:48:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,humans and chimps think and act in the world? Dialogue: 0,1:48:01.27,1:48:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are there similarities there as well? Dialogue: 0,1:48:04.78,1:48:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN: Boy, doing some pull-ups. Dialogue: 0,1:48:07.78,1:48:09.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh... be careful. Dialogue: 0,1:48:09.78,1:48:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,NARRATOR: Psychologist Sally Boysen explores the commonalities Dialogue: 0,1:48:14.79,1:48:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the minds of chimps and humans, Dialogue: 0,1:48:17.29,1:48:26.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a quest that may help explain how the human mind evolved. Dialogue: 0,1:48:26.30,1:48:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BOYSEN: The developmental milestones Dialogue: 0,1:48:28.30,1:48:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really, throughout the life of a chimp Dialogue: 0,1:48:30.30,1:48:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are almost exactly the same as humans. Dialogue: 0,1:48:32.30,1:48:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything is so similar. Dialogue: 0,1:48:35.31,1:48:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They respond to new things and new toys Dialogue: 0,1:48:38.31,1:48:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have the same kinds of rough-and-tumble play. Dialogue: 0,1:48:42.32,1:48:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Harper's rough and rowdy Dialogue: 0,1:48:44.82,1:48:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and runs all over the place and climbs. Dialogue: 0,1:48:48.32,1:48:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Emma really can almost entertain herself. Dialogue: 0,1:48:54.83,1:48:58.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the things that our work allows us to see Dialogue: 0,1:48:58.83,1:49:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that chimpanzees can acquire Dialogue: 0,1:49:01.84,1:49:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very sophisticated, complex cognitive skills Dialogue: 0,1:49:05.34,1:49:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like learning to count Dialogue: 0,1:49:07.34,1:49:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which they normally wouldn't learn in the wild. Dialogue: 0,1:49:08.84,1:49:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One, two, three... Dialogue: 0,1:49:10.84,1:49:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,four, five! Dialogue: 0,1:49:12.34,1:49:13.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ooh... Dialogue: 0,1:49:13.85,1:49:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yet they have the requisite neural capacity to do that. Dialogue: 0,1:49:19.35,1:49:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where did that come from? Dialogue: 0,1:49:21.35,1:49:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, Sheeb, we're going to do another turn now. Dialogue: 0,1:49:24.02,1:49:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we go. Dialogue: 0,1:49:27.53,1:49:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of those. Dialogue: 0,1:49:29.03,1:49:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ooh, and a malted milk ball. Dialogue: 0,1:49:32.03,1:49:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you tell me the answer to this? Dialogue: 0,1:49:34.03,1:49:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With blue and brown? Dialogue: 0,1:49:35.54,1:49:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Show me, yeah, go ahead. Dialogue: 0,1:49:38.04,1:49:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(screen beeps) Dialogue: 0,1:49:39.04,1:49:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Excellent! Dialogue: 0,1:49:42.04,1:49:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BOYSEN: There's almost nothing Dialogue: 0,1:49:44.04,1:49:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the chimps haven't been able to learn Dialogue: 0,1:49:46.55,1:49:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we've tried to teach them. Dialogue: 0,1:49:49.05,1:49:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've seen their ability to grasp extremely complex notions Dialogue: 0,1:49:55.06,1:49:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the concept of zero, for example. Dialogue: 0,1:49:59.56,1:50:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BOYSEN: Okay, Sheeb, look. Dialogue: 0,1:50:00.56,1:50:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if I didn't put any candy here at all? Dialogue: 0,1:50:03.56,1:50:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would you say? Dialogue: 0,1:50:07.57,1:50:08.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(computer beeping) Dialogue: 0,1:50:08.57,1:50:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zero, that's right. Dialogue: 0,1:50:10.07,1:50:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no candy here. Dialogue: 0,1:50:11.57,1:50:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, that's too bad... Dialogue: 0,1:50:13.07,1:50:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BOYSEN: There's no way the chimps would be able to do this Dialogue: 0,1:50:16.08,1:50:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they didn't have a great deal of commonality Dialogue: 0,1:50:19.58,1:50:22.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in, literally, the neurological structure Dialogue: 0,1:50:22.58,1:50:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that supports their ability to learn... just like we do. Dialogue: 0,1:50:30.59,1:50:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those things are absolutely comparable Dialogue: 0,1:50:35.60,1:50:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and had to come from a common ancestor. Dialogue: 0,1:50:50.61,1:50:54.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,KENNETH MILLER: The similarities that we have with our primate relatives Dialogue: 0,1:50:54.61,1:50:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are extraordinary. Dialogue: 0,1:50:55.62,1:50:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We share so much of our DNA Dialogue: 0,1:50:57.12,1:50:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we share so much of our morphology Dialogue: 0,1:50:59.12,1:51:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we even share our blood types. Dialogue: 0,1:51:00.12,1:51:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for all of those similarities Dialogue: 0,1:51:02.12,1:51:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are striking differences. Dialogue: 0,1:51:06.13,1:51:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the reason for this is really very simple. Dialogue: 0,1:51:09.63,1:51:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is, the line of evolution that led to us Dialogue: 0,1:51:13.63,1:51:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,led, for reasons which we are only beginning to understand Dialogue: 0,1:51:17.14,1:51:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to an explosive development of mental capacity. Dialogue: 0,1:51:25.64,1:51:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what clearly happened is that natural selection Dialogue: 0,1:51:29.15,1:51:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,favored the evolution of organisms that could communicate Dialogue: 0,1:51:32.65,1:51:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could manipulate symbols, and could construct language. Dialogue: 0,1:51:40.66,1:51:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's great idea is a grand and marvelous explanation Dialogue: 0,1:51:45.16,1:51:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that shows us that we are united with every other form of life Dialogue: 0,1:51:48.67,1:51:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this planet. Dialogue: 0,1:51:51.17,1:51:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I find that an exciting Dialogue: 0,1:51:52.67,1:52:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe even an ennobling way to look at things. Dialogue: 0,1:52:06.19,1:52:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(choir singing hymn) Dialogue: 0,1:52:17.20,1:52:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MOORE: Darwin died in April 1882, at the age of 73. Dialogue: 0,1:52:25.20,1:52:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The family thought he would be buried Dialogue: 0,1:52:26.71,1:52:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the parish churchyard. Dialogue: 0,1:52:29.21,1:52:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin had said, months before he died Dialogue: 0,1:52:31.21,1:52:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he would have to look forward to it Dialogue: 0,1:52:33.71,1:52:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the sweetest place on earth. Dialogue: 0,1:52:35.72,1:52:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was not to be. Dialogue: 0,1:52:38.72,1:52:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In London, Darwin's friends Dialogue: 0,1:52:41.22,1:52:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,determined to make his death and burial a state occasion. Dialogue: 0,1:52:46.23,1:52:49.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They went to the Royal Society and they got signatures. Dialogue: 0,1:52:49.73,1:52:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They went to the House of Commons Dialogue: 0,1:52:52.23,1:52:53.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and got up a petition. Dialogue: 0,1:52:53.73,1:52:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They telegraphed the Dean of Westminster Dialogue: 0,1:52:55.74,1:52:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was abroad and got his approval. Dialogue: 0,1:52:57.74,1:53:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A special anthem was even written for the occasion. Dialogue: 0,1:53:01.24,1:53:04.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And on the 26th of April, a week after the death Dialogue: 0,1:53:04.74,1:53:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's body was borne mightily in procession Dialogue: 0,1:53:07.25,1:53:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down the aisle of Westminster Abbey Dialogue: 0,1:53:09.75,1:53:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be interred in the shadow of the grave of Sir Isaac Newton. Dialogue: 0,1:53:15.76,1:53:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's interment celebrated the vast social transformation Dialogue: 0,1:53:21.26,1:53:23.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that England was undergoing. Dialogue: 0,1:53:23.76,1:53:26.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There were new colonies, new industries Dialogue: 0,1:53:26.77,1:53:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and new men to run them. Dialogue: 0,1:53:28.77,1:53:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's body was enshrined Dialogue: 0,1:53:31.77,1:53:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the greater glory of these new professionals Dialogue: 0,1:53:34.77,1:53:37.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for he had naturalized creation Dialogue: 0,1:53:37.78,1:53:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and delivered human nature and human destiny into their hands. Dialogue: 0,1:53:42.28,1:53:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Society would never be the same. Dialogue: 0,1:53:47.29,1:53:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Darwin's vision of nature Dialogue: 0,1:53:48.79,1:53:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was, I believe, fundamentally a religious vision Dialogue: 0,1:53:51.79,1:53:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one with which he ended his most famous work Dialogue: 0,1:53:55.30,1:53:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the Origin of Species. Dialogue: 0,1:53:59.80,1:54:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"There is grandeur in this view of life Dialogue: 0,1:54:02.80,1:54:04.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"with its several powers Dialogue: 0,1:54:04.30,1:54:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one Dialogue: 0,1:54:08.31,1:54:12.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and that whilst this planet has gone cycling on... Dialogue: 0,1:54:12.31,1:54:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Darwin's voice joins Moore's) Dialogue: 0,1:54:13.81,1:54:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"according to the fixed law of gravity Dialogue: 0,1:54:15.82,1:54:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"from so simple a beginning, endless forms most beautiful Dialogue: 0,1:54:23.32,1:54:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and most wonderful have been and are being evolved." Dialogue: 0,1:54:54.55,1:54:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Continue the journey Dialogue: 0,1:54:56.06,1:54:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into where we're from and where we're going Dialogue: 0,1:54:58.56,1:55:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the Evolution web site. Dialogue: 0,1:55:00.06,1:55:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Visit www.pbs.org. Dialogue: 0,1:55:03.56,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Downloaded From www.AllSubs.org