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well welcome everybody to the night's

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event my name is Laurie Roberts I am the

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President of the United States here at

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VCU the United States is a group of

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atheists agnostics secular students

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apparently the people in the back cannot

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hear me can you hear me now good okay

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like I was saying I'm Roy Roberts

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president of the United secular Alliance

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we are a student group dedicated to

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promotion of secular ideals and I

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provide and providing a community for

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the non-religious students here at VCU I

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would like to thank the Honors College

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and the College of Humanities and

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Sciences for their financial

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contributions without which this event

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could not have happened and I would like

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to thank some certain individuals such

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as Shelley Mount Joy which I'm here at

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the moment

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Anthony Ellis who Larry Mendoza and Dana

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marks who I believe is manning a camera

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at this moment for their help with

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making this a possibility I would also

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like to thank Dean

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Timothy Halsey of the Honors College who

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will be moderating this event and I will

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yield the floor to him

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Thank You Roy

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and thanks to the VCU chapter of the

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United secular Alliance for arranging

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tonight's event good evening and thanks

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to all of you for coming to what I am

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absolutely certain will be a very

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entertaining and informative evening

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this evening as you all already know

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we're honored to have Christopher

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Hitchens and Frank Turek with us to

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debate an ancient and modern question

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does God exist there is perhaps no more

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contentious issue that we could consider

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accordingly this debate will follow

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specific guidelines to begin each

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speaker will have 20 minutes to make his

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opening statement

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dr. Turek will speak first since he

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argues in the affirmative following the

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opening statements each speaker will

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have five minutes to rebut his opponent

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followed by an opportunity to question

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his opponent directly each speaker will

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be allowed three questions of the other

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with questions limited to one minute and

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answers to five after the direct

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questioning speakers will respond to

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questions from the audience asked by me

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from the cards that you were handed when

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you entered the room as your questions

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occur to you please write them on these

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cards and at a point in the debate I'll

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ask the ushers come forward and collect

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them if you would pass them we will ask

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as many of them as we have time to do

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given the nature of tonight's debate it

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is vitally important that everyone in

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attendance act in accordance with the

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highest standards of social behavior

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anyone acting rudely or behaving disrupt

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League disruptively rather will be

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thrown out

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really and now our speakers Frank Turek

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is a speaker author columnist and

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founder of cross examine org an

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organization dedicated to preserving

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rather to presenting evidence for the

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Christian worldview at universities high

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schools and churches he is a columnist

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for Town Hall comm and is the co-author

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of two books including I don't have

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enough faith to be an atheist he has

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appeared on numerous TV and radio

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programs including The O'Reilly Factor

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Hannity and combs and politically

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incorrect with Bill Maher

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dr. Turk has a doctorate in apologetics

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from southern evangelical seminary in

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Charlotte North Carolina at a master's

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degree in public administration from

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George Washington University where he

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also taught courses in leadership and

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management Christopher Hitchens is the

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author of more than 10 books including

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most recently God is not great how

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religion poisons everything he is a

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contributing editor to the INEC monthly

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in Vanity Fair and has written

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prolifically for American and English

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periodicals including the nation the

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London Review of Books

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Granta Harper's Slate and The Washington

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Post

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he's a regular television and a radio

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commentator appearing on hardball with

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Chris Matthews the Charlie Rose show

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Real Time with Bill Maher the Tavis

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Smiley show and c-span's Washington

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journal among others mr. Hitchens is

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also taught as a visiting professor at

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the University of California Berkeley

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the University of Pittsburgh and the New

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School for Social Research in Manhattan

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now according to the rules of our debate

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dr. Turek will make his opening comments

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dr.

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good evening ladies and gentlemen my

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name is Frank Turk before I get started

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let me ask you to ask you this how many

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have heard me before or this is your

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first time how many of you are here

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tonight

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how many do not respond to surveys three

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out of 10 don't respond to surveys Dean

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this is my first formal debate so give

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me a little grace if I can't cram

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everything I want to say into twenty

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minutes I will say however I've had many

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informal debates most of them with my

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wife and I have not fared very well

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there I will say however that she is

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probably the perfect sparring partner

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for Christopher Hitchens because her

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nickname at our house is nails and nails

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is the type of woman that if she ain't

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happy ain't nobody in the house happy so

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hopefully I'm prepared for a very

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formidable opponent in Christopher

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Hitchens and I do want to say that I

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very much like Christopher Hitchens I've

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been following him for many years I'm

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kind of a political junkie so I've seen

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him around quite a bit and I appreciate

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his charm and his wit and I agree with

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him on a lot of things obviously not the

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issue of god that would make a very

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boring debate but I will say that I went

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up to Christopher just about a half-hour

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ago and I shook his hand I said

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Christopher I'm actually a fan and he

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smiled and he said the night is young

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I want to I want to thank the United

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secular Alliance I want to thank Daniel

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Pendergrass where's Daniel you here

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Daniel he was my contact here I also

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want to thank Dean Tim Timothy Halsey I

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also want to thank of course Christopher

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for doing this debate I think it's

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impossible not to like Christopher and

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as I mentioned I do he's carrying the

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cross for atheism and he carries it very

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well tonight I'm going to carry the

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cross for theism and I want to point out

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that I think we're both trying to

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explain the world around us we both have

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the burden of proof to explain why

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reality is the way it is I have to show

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how reality is best explained by theism

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and Christopher has to explain how

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reality is best explained by atheism and

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I think we should follow the evidence

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where it leads I think that the evidence

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we see all around us and within us leads

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to a spaceless timeless immaterial

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personal powerful intelligent moral

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creator ie what we would call a theistic

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God and this creator created this

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universe and the life within us or the

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life within it I should say now I'm

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going to try and summarize my 450 page

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book at least the first 200 pages of it

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in the next 20 minutes or next 18

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minutes at this point now and that is an

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impossible task that would be about 20

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pages a minute actually I probably can

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do it because I'm originally from New

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Jersey see I speak it 150 words a minute

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with Gustav 350 so if I go a little

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quick and you want to see more of the

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evidence please get the book I don't

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have enough faith to be atheist and I

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want to point out that all the proceeds

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from the sale of the book will go to

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feed needy children mine okay see I've

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got three sons the oldest two are in

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college right now so I need a little

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help and one of them is sitting right

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over here all right Christopher on page

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282 of God is not great available at

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fine bookstores everywhere says this

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thanks to the telescope and the

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microscope religion no longer offers an

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explanation for anything important I

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think that is exactly

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wrong I think due to the telescope in

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the microscope we are seeing evidence

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that leads directly to God I'm going to

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give you three major arguments for this

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and then I'm going to give you four more

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that are a result I think of a theistic

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worldview and spend most of my time on

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the three and then I'll just mention the

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last four the three are the cosmological

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argument from the beginning of the

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universe the next one is the

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teleological argument from the design of

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the universe and the design of life and

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the third is the moral argument let's

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start with the cosmological argument and

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this is basically the argument from the

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Big Bang that the universe had a

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beginning if it had a beginning it must

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have had a beginner now for some reason

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Christians are afraid of the Big Bang

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I'm not afraid of the Big Bang I believe

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in the Big Bang I just think I know who

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banged it now

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the evidence for the Big Bang is good

0:10:02.350,0:10:04.130


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I'm going to give you evidence in an

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acronym Serge su are GE I'm not going to

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spend a lot of time on it because I

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think even Christopher in his book on

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page 65 says the Big Bang is the

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0:10:12.080,0:10:15.770
accepted origin of e of the universe

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S stands for the second law of

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thermodynamics that the universe is

0:10:17.980,0:10:20.060


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running down as that Sun is up there it

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is burning out ultimately we will go to

0:10:21.910,0:10:23.540


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heat death as Christopher has said in

0:10:23.530,0:10:25.670


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his book well if the universe is eternal

0:10:25.660,0:10:28.100


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that Sun would have burned out a long

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time ago but since the Sun is still up

0:10:29.920,0:10:32.000


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there and we still have energy here the

0:10:31.990,0:10:33.800


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universe must have had a beginning the

0:10:33.790,0:10:35.600


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second law of thermodynamics also says

0:10:35.590,0:10:38.530


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that ordered things go toward dis order

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it affects the this school we have to

0:10:41.350,0:10:43.160


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paint the walls we have to put gas in

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our car the second law of thermodynamics

0:10:45.060,0:10:47.570


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also affects us as human beings when you

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get older the second law of

0:10:49.060,0:10:51.710


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thermodynamics is is seen by the fact

0:10:51.700,0:10:52.910


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that we all get dressed or diseased

0:10:52.900,0:10:54.320


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that's when our chest falls into our

0:10:54.310,0:10:57.020


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drawers see that's the second law of

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thermodynamics the UN surge is the fact

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that the universe is expanding

0:11:00.580,0:11:04.120


0:11:00.590,0:11:06.590
discovered by Edwin Hubble in 1929

0:11:04.110,0:11:06.590


0:11:04.120,0:11:08.090
Hubble deduced that if the universe is

0:11:06.580,0:11:08.090


0:11:06.590,0:11:09.890
expanding if you watched everything in

0:11:08.080,0:11:09.890


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Reverse you would see it collapse back

0:11:09.880,0:11:12.530


0:11:09.890,0:11:14.720
to a point mathematically and logically

0:11:12.520,0:11:14.720


0:11:12.530,0:11:16.670
to nothing so the universe exploded into

0:11:14.710,0:11:16.670


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being out of nothing the G stands for

0:11:16.660,0:11:18.890


0:11:16.670,0:11:21.230
the great galaxies R stands for the

0:11:18.880,0:11:21.230


0:11:18.890,0:11:23.780
radiation echo discovered by accident by

0:11:21.220,0:11:23.780


0:11:21.230,0:11:25.520
Penzias and Wilson two scientists

0:11:23.770,0:11:25.520


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working at Bell Labs in Holmdel New

0:11:25.510,0:11:27.410


0:11:25.520,0:11:29.060
Jersey they

0:11:27.400,0:11:29.060


0:11:27.410,0:11:31.009
discovered basically the radiation

0:11:29.050,0:11:31.009


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afterglow or the remnant heat from the

0:11:30.999,0:11:33.889


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initial Big Bang explosion the heat is

0:11:33.879,0:11:35.480


0:11:33.889,0:11:37.940
still out there it's just a couple of

0:11:35.470,0:11:37.940


0:11:35.480,0:11:39.500
degrees above absolute zero now good

0:11:37.930,0:11:39.500


0:11:37.940,0:11:41.779
theories predict predict future

0:11:39.490,0:11:41.779


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discoveries and they said if the

0:11:41.769,0:11:43.339


0:11:41.779,0:11:44.779
radiation afterglow is out there and the

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Big Bang really did occur we ought to

0:11:44.769,0:11:47.480


0:11:44.779,0:11:49.639
find very fine temperature variations

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0:11:47.480,0:11:52.100
among the radiation afterglow so they

0:11:49.629,0:11:52.100


0:11:49.639,0:11:53.930
set up a satellite in 1989 to circle the

0:11:52.090,0:11:53.930


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earth it's called a Kobe space satellite

0:11:53.920,0:11:56.480


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to measure this radiation afterglow and

0:11:56.470,0:11:58.910


0:11:56.480,0:12:00.980
for three years they found nothing until

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they tuned their instruments just a

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0:12:00.980,0:12:05.360
little bit more precisely and found that

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0:12:03.620,0:12:07.490
there were temperature variations in the

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radiation afterglow and they were down

0:12:07.480,0:12:11.629


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to one part in 100,000 George Smoot the

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leader of the expedition said if you're

0:12:14.199,0:12:16.389


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religious it's like looking at God

0:12:16.379,0:12:18.560


0:12:16.389,0:12:20.660
Stephen Hawking said this is the

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0:12:18.560,0:12:23.480
greatest discovery of cosmology perhaps

0:12:20.650,0:12:23.480


0:12:20.660,0:12:25.339
the greatest discovery of all time those

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0:12:23.480,0:12:26.629
temperature variations allowed galaxies

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to ultimately form so we could

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0:12:26.629,0:12:29.930
ultimately be here the Ian surd stands

0:12:28.869,0:12:29.930


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for Einstein's theory of general

0:12:29.920,0:12:31.819


0:12:29.930,0:12:34.069
relativity which says time space and

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matter are Co relative you can't have

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space without time you can't have time

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without space and matter

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and in effect it says that the universe

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0:12:38.810,0:12:44.389
came into existence with space and time

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together in other words once there was

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no time once there was no space once

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there was no matter and then bang out of

0:12:48.699,0:12:51.740


0:12:48.709,0:12:54.680
nothing the universe exploded into being

0:12:51.730,0:12:54.680


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what is nothing Aristotle had a good

0:12:54.670,0:12:56.750


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definition of nothing he said nothing is

0:12:56.740,0:13:00.560


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what rocks dream about nothing there was

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no thing there was not positive and

0:13:02.079,0:13:03.889


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negative energy as Isaac Asimov has said

0:13:03.879,0:13:06.110


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there is not a vacuum there was not

0:13:06.100,0:13:08.149


0:13:06.110,0:13:10.939
swirling mathematical points as dr.

0:13:08.139,0:13:10.939


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Atkins has said from Oxford there was

0:13:10.929,0:13:13.370


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nothing what rocks dream about which

0:13:13.360,0:13:15.920


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means that the universe exploded into

0:13:15.910,0:13:18.290


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being all space all matter all time out

0:13:18.280,0:13:21.680


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of nothing and several scientists have

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0:13:21.680,0:13:25.519
pointed this out Stephen Hawking said

0:13:23.590,0:13:25.519


0:13:23.600,0:13:27.410
almost everyone now believes that the

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universe and time itself had a beginning

0:13:27.400,0:13:30.170


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at the Big Bang agnostic astronomer

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0:13:30.170,0:13:35.000
Robert Jastrow the man who sits in Edwin

0:13:32.619,0:13:35.000


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Hubble's chair or who did until February

0:13:34.990,0:13:38.449


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when he died he was an agnostic he sat

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at Mount Wilson and looked through

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0:13:40.700,0:13:45.830
telescope he wrote a book in 1978 called

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God and the astronomers and here's what

0:13:45.820,0:13:48.230


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jestro wrote or here's what he said

0:13:48.220,0:13:50.150


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actually in an interview he said

0:13:50.140,0:13:51.590


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astronomers now found they painted

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0:13:51.590,0:13:54.410
themselves into a corner because they

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have proven by their own methods that

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the world began abruptly in an act of

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creation to which you can trace the

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seeds of every star every planet every

0:13:59.890,0:14:02.570


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living thing on in this cosmos and on

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0:14:02.570,0:14:05.450
the earth and they have found that all

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0:14:03.710,0:14:08.000
this has happened as a product of forces

0:14:05.440,0:14:08.000


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they cannot hope to discover that there

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0:14:08.000,0:14:12.290
are what I or anyone would call

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0:14:09.910,0:14:15.320
supernatural forces at work is now I

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think a scientifically proven fact why

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isn't it agnostic astronomers saying

0:14:17.020,0:14:18.680


0:14:17.030,0:14:20.150
supernatural forces are at work

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why couldn't nature have created the

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0:14:20.150,0:14:26.480
universe because there was no nature

0:14:23.980,0:14:26.480


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there was nothing what rocks dream about

0:14:26.470,0:14:28.940


0:14:26.480,0:14:31.160
and then the entire space-time continuum

0:14:28.930,0:14:31.160


0:14:28.940,0:14:33.710
left into existence if it's not a

0:14:31.150,0:14:33.710


0:14:31.160,0:14:36.980
natural cause by definition it must be a

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supernatural cause something beyond the

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0:14:36.980,0:14:43.220
natural in fact Arthur Eddington the

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0:14:40.870,0:14:45.620
contemporary of Einstein who was an

0:14:43.210,0:14:45.620


0:14:43.220,0:14:47.300
expert in general relativity said quote

0:14:45.610,0:14:47.300


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the beginning seems to present

0:14:47.290,0:14:49.820


0:14:47.300,0:14:51.530
insuperable difficulties unless we

0:14:49.810,0:14:51.530


0:14:49.820,0:14:53.510
agreed to look on it as frankly

0:14:51.520,0:14:53.510


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supernatural so the cosmological

0:14:53.500,0:14:55.850


0:14:53.510,0:14:58.400
argument leaves us with one question

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either no one created something out of

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nothing or someone created something out

0:15:00.550,0:15:02.990


0:15:00.560,0:15:04.580
of nothing the atheistic view is no one

0:15:02.980,0:15:04.580


0:15:02.990,0:15:06.200
created something out of nothing the

0:15:04.570,0:15:06.200


0:15:04.580,0:15:07.580
theistic view is someone created

0:15:06.190,0:15:07.580


0:15:06.200,0:15:09.410
something out of nothing which view is

0:15:07.570,0:15:09.410


0:15:07.580,0:15:11.600
more reasonable I think Julie Andrews

0:15:09.400,0:15:11.600


0:15:09.410,0:15:14.690
had it right nothing comes from nothing

0:15:11.590,0:15:14.690


0:15:11.600,0:15:16.340
nothing ever could that's the

0:15:14.680,0:15:16.340


0:15:14.690,0:15:18.020
cosmological argument the teleological

0:15:16.330,0:15:18.020


0:15:16.340,0:15:20.470
argument the design argument actually

0:15:18.010,0:15:20.470


0:15:18.020,0:15:24.020
has two arguments contained within it it

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0:15:20.470,0:15:27.080
is the argument from design and there

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0:15:24.020,0:15:29.840
are dozens of factors about the universe

0:15:27.070,0:15:29.840


0:15:27.080,0:15:31.460
that are precisely died of design for

0:15:29.830,0:15:31.460


0:15:29.840,0:15:34.100
the existence of the universe and life

0:15:31.450,0:15:34.100


0:15:31.460,0:15:36.140
so not only did the universe explode

0:15:34.090,0:15:36.140


0:15:34.100,0:15:38.510
into being out of nothing it did so with

0:15:36.130,0:15:38.510


0:15:36.140,0:15:41.090
incredible precision Stephen Hawking has

0:15:38.500,0:15:41.090


0:15:38.510,0:15:42.950
noted that the universe would not exist

0:15:41.080,0:15:42.950


0:15:41.090,0:15:45.680
if there was a decrease in the expansion

0:15:42.940,0:15:45.680


0:15:42.950,0:15:49.910
rate one second after the Big Bang by

0:15:45.670,0:15:49.910


0:15:45.680,0:15:52.700
only one part in 100,000 million million

0:15:49.900,0:15:52.700


0:15:49.910,0:15:53.560
this led Hawking to conclude it would be

0:15:52.690,0:15:53.560


0:15:52.700,0:15:55.090
very difficult

0:15:53.550,0:15:55.090


0:15:53.560,0:15:57.940
to explain why the universe should have

0:15:55.080,0:15:57.940


0:15:55.090,0:16:00.310
begun in just this way except as an act

0:15:57.930,0:16:00.310


0:15:57.940,0:16:04.390
of God who intended to create beings

0:16:00.300,0:16:04.390


0:16:00.310,0:16:06.640
like us not only is it designed in terms

0:16:04.380,0:16:06.640


0:16:04.390,0:16:10.180
of its expansion but the gravitational

0:16:06.630,0:16:10.180


0:16:06.640,0:16:12.730
force is so precise if you change the

0:16:10.170,0:16:12.730


0:16:10.180,0:16:15.400
gravitational force by one part in 10 to

0:16:12.720,0:16:15.400


0:16:12.730,0:16:17.529
the 40 nothing would exist what's one

0:16:15.390,0:16:17.529


0:16:15.400,0:16:19.560
part in 10 to the 40 stretch a tape

0:16:17.519,0:16:19.560


0:16:17.529,0:16:22.960
measure across the entire known universe

0:16:19.550,0:16:22.960


0:16:19.560,0:16:24.430
set gravity at 1 inch on that anywhere

0:16:22.950,0:16:24.430


0:16:22.960,0:16:27.339
on that tape measure

0:16:24.420,0:16:27.339


0:16:24.430,0:16:29.560
if you move gravity the force of gravity

0:16:27.329,0:16:29.560


0:16:27.339,0:16:30.580
one inch in either direction we don't

0:16:29.550,0:16:30.580


0:16:29.560,0:16:32.920
exist

0:16:30.570,0:16:32.920


0:16:30.580,0:16:35.080
there's also factors about our universe

0:16:32.910,0:16:35.080


0:16:32.920,0:16:36.790
in particular our solar system that

0:16:35.070,0:16:36.790


0:16:35.080,0:16:40.470
cannot be explained unless there's a

0:16:36.780,0:16:40.470


0:16:36.790,0:16:43.660
designer behind it for example the earth

0:16:40.460,0:16:43.660


0:16:40.470,0:16:44.890
rotation 24 hours just right if it was a

0:16:43.650,0:16:44.890


0:16:43.660,0:16:48.400
little bit more a little bit less we

0:16:44.880,0:16:48.400


0:16:44.890,0:16:50.440
wouldn't be here the axial tilt 23 and

0:16:48.390,0:16:50.440


0:16:48.400,0:16:55.660
1/2 degrees just right change that a

0:16:50.430,0:16:55.660


0:16:50.440,0:16:58.180
little bit we're not here the Jupiter

0:16:55.650,0:16:58.180


0:16:55.660,0:16:59.890
being in its current orbit if Jupiter

0:16:58.170,0:16:59.890


0:16:58.180,0:17:02.440
wasn't there we'd bump up be bombarded

0:16:59.880,0:17:02.440


0:16:59.890,0:17:04.209
with space material why because Jupiter

0:17:02.430,0:17:04.209


0:17:02.440,0:17:06.189
acts as a cosmic vacuum cleaner it

0:17:04.199,0:17:06.189


0:17:04.209,0:17:08.920
attracts all the cosmic space junk to it

0:17:06.179,0:17:08.920


0:17:06.189,0:17:10.420
rather than us there are a number of

0:17:08.910,0:17:10.420


0:17:08.920,0:17:13.480
other factors I don't have time to get

0:17:10.410,0:17:13.480


0:17:10.420,0:17:15.400
into but Arno Penzias the man who

0:17:13.470,0:17:15.400


0:17:13.480,0:17:18.100
co-discovered the are in surge the

0:17:15.390,0:17:18.100


0:17:15.400,0:17:20.620
radiation afterglow said this astronomy

0:17:18.090,0:17:20.620


0:17:18.100,0:17:22.329
leads us to a unique event a universe

0:17:20.610,0:17:22.329


0:17:20.620,0:17:24.130
which was created out of nothing one

0:17:22.319,0:17:24.130


0:17:22.329,0:17:25.959
with the very delicate balance needed to

0:17:24.120,0:17:25.959


0:17:24.130,0:17:28.960
provide exactly the right conditions

0:17:25.949,0:17:28.960


0:17:25.959,0:17:31.780
required to permit life and one which as

0:17:28.950,0:17:31.780


0:17:28.960,0:17:33.370
an underlined one might say and one

0:17:31.770,0:17:33.370


0:17:31.780,0:17:37.240
which has an underlying one might say

0:17:33.360,0:17:37.240


0:17:33.370,0:17:39.580
super natural plan a friend of

0:17:37.230,0:17:39.580


0:17:37.240,0:17:42.610
Christopher a theist Stephen Weinberg

0:17:39.570,0:17:42.610


0:17:39.580,0:17:45.250
who is an atheist put it this way life

0:17:42.600,0:17:45.250


0:17:42.610,0:17:47.620
as we know it would be impossible if any

0:17:45.240,0:17:47.620


0:17:45.250,0:17:50.590
one of several physical quantities had

0:17:47.610,0:17:50.590


0:17:47.620,0:17:52.630
slightly different values so not only is

0:17:50.580,0:17:52.630


0:17:50.590,0:17:54.880
the universe precisely tweaked and by

0:17:52.620,0:17:54.880


0:17:52.630,0:17:56.980
the way there would be no life unless

0:17:54.870,0:17:56.980


0:17:54.880,0:17:59.500
the universe was precisely fine-tuned as

0:17:56.970,0:17:59.500


0:17:56.980,0:18:01.900
I just mentioned but life itself is

0:17:59.490,0:18:01.900


0:17:59.500,0:18:03.370
designed let me take you to your

0:18:01.890,0:18:03.370


0:18:01.900,0:18:04.960
breakfast table for just a second

0:18:03.360,0:18:04.960


0:18:03.370,0:18:06.580
suppose you wanted to have a bowl

0:18:04.950,0:18:06.580


0:18:04.960,0:18:07.240
alphabet cereal you're a teenager and

0:18:06.570,0:18:07.240


0:18:06.580,0:18:08.620
you come down

0:18:07.230,0:18:08.620


0:18:07.240,0:18:10.270
ere's have bowl alphabet cereal and you

0:18:08.610,0:18:10.270


0:18:08.620,0:18:13.059
see the alphabet cereals knocked over

0:18:10.260,0:18:13.059


0:18:10.270,0:18:15.190
and the letters from the alphabet cereal

0:18:13.049,0:18:15.190


0:18:13.059,0:18:17.950
are spelled out on the placemat and it

0:18:15.180,0:18:17.950


0:18:15.190,0:18:19.240
spells take out the garbage mom what are

0:18:17.940,0:18:19.240


0:18:17.950,0:18:22.809
you going to assume cat knock the box

0:18:19.230,0:18:22.809


0:18:19.240,0:18:24.250
over earthquake shook the house or are

0:18:22.799,0:18:24.250


0:18:22.809,0:18:25.780
you going to say no that's intelligent

0:18:24.240,0:18:25.780


0:18:24.250,0:18:27.070
design from an intelligent being

0:18:25.770,0:18:27.070


0:18:25.780,0:18:28.840
or let's say you're laying out on the

0:18:27.060,0:18:28.840


0:18:27.070,0:18:30.160
beach and you see in the clouds drink

0:18:28.830,0:18:30.160


0:18:28.840,0:18:32.800
Coke what're you going to assume unusual

0:18:30.150,0:18:32.800


0:18:30.160,0:18:34.570
cloud formation no you're going to say

0:18:32.790,0:18:34.570


0:18:32.800,0:18:36.429
there has to be a skywriter up there

0:18:34.560,0:18:36.429


0:18:34.570,0:18:39.580
even if you didn't see and why because

0:18:36.419,0:18:39.580


0:18:36.429,0:18:41.380
messages oh we only come from mines well

0:18:39.570,0:18:41.380


0:18:39.580,0:18:43.600
it turns out there's a message in all

0:18:41.370,0:18:43.600


0:18:41.380,0:18:45.850
life called DNA we all know about it all

0:18:43.590,0:18:45.850


0:18:43.600,0:18:48.400
life has a message

0:18:45.840,0:18:48.400


0:18:45.850,0:18:51.640
I have DNA you have DNA a banana has DNA

0:18:48.390,0:18:51.640


0:18:48.400,0:18:54.040
in Darwin's day it was not known how

0:18:51.630,0:18:54.040


0:18:51.640,0:18:56.770
incredibly complex simple so-called

0:18:54.030,0:18:56.770


0:18:54.040,0:18:58.890
simple life is and they thought that

0:18:56.760,0:18:58.890


0:18:56.770,0:19:01.179
maybe simple life could come together

0:18:58.880,0:19:01.179


0:18:58.890,0:19:02.770
without intelligent intervention and

0:19:01.169,0:19:02.770


0:19:01.179,0:19:04.360
ultimately natural selection could take

0:19:02.760,0:19:04.360


0:19:02.770,0:19:05.890
over it's the theory of macro evolution

0:19:04.350,0:19:05.890


0:19:04.360,0:19:08.590
I'm sure you've heard of it from the goo

0:19:05.880,0:19:08.590


0:19:05.890,0:19:10.660
duv of the zoo from the infantile to the

0:19:08.580,0:19:10.660


0:19:08.590,0:19:12.970
reptile to the crocodile to the Gentile

0:19:10.650,0:19:12.970


0:19:10.660,0:19:16.150
that's the theory of macro evolution the

0:19:12.960,0:19:16.150


0:19:12.970,0:19:18.190
problem is is that now we know that this

0:19:16.140,0:19:18.190


0:19:16.150,0:19:21.040
intelligent life couldn't have come

0:19:18.180,0:19:21.040


0:19:18.190,0:19:24.400
together by natural laws because we now

0:19:21.030,0:19:24.400


0:19:21.040,0:19:26.200
know that the simplest life has the

0:19:24.390,0:19:26.200


0:19:24.400,0:19:28.840
amount of specified complexity or

0:19:26.190,0:19:28.840


0:19:26.200,0:19:31.120
information and in terms of DNA about

0:19:28.830,0:19:31.120


0:19:28.840,0:19:33.340
thousand complete sets of Encyclopedia

0:19:31.110,0:19:33.340


0:19:31.120,0:19:34.990
Britannica now who is that according to

0:19:33.330,0:19:34.990


0:19:33.340,0:19:37.540
not a Christian not a theist

0:19:34.980,0:19:37.540


0:19:34.990,0:19:39.070
that's according to Richard Dawkins from

0:19:37.530,0:19:39.070


0:19:37.540,0:19:41.740
his book blind watchmaker I think it's

0:19:39.060,0:19:41.740


0:19:39.070,0:19:43.720
page 116 now to believe that that

0:19:41.730,0:19:43.720


0:19:41.740,0:19:45.280
resulted by natural laws like believing

0:19:43.710,0:19:45.280


0:19:43.720,0:19:47.920
that the Library of Congress resulted

0:19:45.270,0:19:47.920


0:19:45.280,0:19:49.270
from an explosion in a printing shop see

0:19:47.910,0:19:49.270


0:19:47.920,0:19:52.600
I don't have enough faith to believe

0:19:49.260,0:19:52.600


0:19:49.270,0:19:55.360
that so life appears to be designed in

0:19:52.590,0:19:55.360


0:19:52.600,0:19:57.280
fact Antony flew who was a atheist a

0:19:55.350,0:19:57.280


0:19:55.360,0:19:59.410
very prominent atheist but recently

0:19:57.270,0:19:59.410


0:19:57.280,0:20:01.420
became a theist or at least a deist as a

0:19:59.400,0:20:01.420


0:19:59.410,0:20:03.429
result of this evidence said it is

0:20:01.410,0:20:03.429


0:20:01.420,0:20:05.920
impossible for evolution to account for

0:20:03.419,0:20:05.920


0:20:03.429,0:20:07.450
the fact that one single cell can carry

0:20:05.910,0:20:07.450


0:20:05.920,0:20:09.370
more data than all the volumes of the

0:20:07.440,0:20:09.370


0:20:07.450,0:20:11.050
Encyclopedia Britannica put together it

0:20:09.360,0:20:11.050


0:20:09.370,0:20:13.780
now seems to me that the findings of

0:20:11.040,0:20:13.780


0:20:11.050,0:20:15.700
more than 50 years of DNA research have

0:20:13.770,0:20:15.700


0:20:13.780,0:20:17.350
provided materials for a new and

0:20:15.690,0:20:17.350


0:20:15.700,0:20:19.419
enormous ly powerful argument from

0:20:17.340,0:20:19.419


0:20:17.350,0:20:21.820
design how am i doing on time Dean five

0:20:19.409,0:20:21.820


0:20:19.419,0:20:27.520
minutes okay thank you

0:20:21.810,0:20:27.520


0:20:21.820,0:20:29.260
it design is so prevalent that even

0:20:27.510,0:20:29.260


0:20:27.520,0:20:31.780
people like Francis Crick the

0:20:29.250,0:20:31.780


0:20:29.260,0:20:34.390
co-discoverer of DNA sir Fred Hoyle who

0:20:31.770,0:20:34.390


0:20:31.780,0:20:37.840
can who coined the term Big Bang in a

0:20:34.380,0:20:37.840


0:20:34.390,0:20:41.170
derisive way are now or were proponents

0:20:37.830,0:20:41.170


0:20:37.840,0:20:43.960
of panspermia seeds everywhere in other

0:20:41.160,0:20:43.960


0:20:41.170,0:20:46.420
words that life got deposited here by

0:20:43.950,0:20:46.420


0:20:43.960,0:20:48.520
aliens which is just kind of a

0:20:46.410,0:20:48.520


0:20:46.420,0:20:50.290
backhanded way of saying that there's no

0:20:48.510,0:20:50.290


0:20:48.520,0:20:51.850
way we know how life came by natural

0:20:50.280,0:20:51.850


0:20:50.290,0:20:53.710
causes here there must be aliens out

0:20:51.840,0:20:53.710


0:20:51.850,0:20:55.090
there that brought it here which of

0:20:53.700,0:20:55.090


0:20:53.710,0:20:56.710
course just puts the question off one

0:20:55.080,0:20:56.710


0:20:55.090,0:21:01.600
more step where did the aliens come from

0:20:56.700,0:21:01.600


0:20:56.710,0:21:03.940
right there's a lot more on the design

0:21:01.590,0:21:03.940


0:21:01.600,0:21:07.140
argument but I'm running out of time

0:21:03.930,0:21:07.140


0:21:03.940,0:21:11.200
here let me just give you one quote from

0:21:07.130,0:21:11.200


0:21:07.140,0:21:12.220
Chandra Wickramasinghe who is a student

0:21:11.190,0:21:12.220


0:21:11.200,0:21:14.380
of Sir Fred Hoyle

0:21:12.210,0:21:14.380


0:21:12.220,0:21:16.570
he said the emergence of life from a

0:21:14.370,0:21:16.570


0:21:14.380,0:21:19.660
primordial soup on earth is merely an

0:21:16.560,0:21:19.660


0:21:16.570,0:21:22.180
article of faith sir Fred Hoyle said a

0:21:19.650,0:21:22.180


0:21:19.660,0:21:24.340
common sense interpretation of the facts

0:21:22.170,0:21:24.340


0:21:22.180,0:21:25.720
suggests that a super intellect has

0:21:24.330,0:21:25.720


0:21:24.340,0:21:27.250
monkeyed with physics as well as

0:21:25.710,0:21:27.250


0:21:25.720,0:21:29.260
chemistry and biology and that there are

0:21:27.240,0:21:29.260


0:21:27.250,0:21:31.450
no blind forces worth speaking about in

0:21:29.250,0:21:31.450


0:21:29.260,0:21:33.160
nature so cosmological argument

0:21:31.440,0:21:33.160


0:21:31.450,0:21:36.460
teleological argument now let's move on

0:21:33.150,0:21:36.460


0:21:33.160,0:21:40.480
to the moral argument if there is no God

0:21:36.450,0:21:40.480


0:21:36.460,0:21:45.330
you can't say that decapitating a man on

0:21:40.470,0:21:45.330


0:21:40.480,0:21:48.820
a bus is objectively morally wrong

0:21:45.320,0:21:48.820


0:21:45.330,0:21:52.450
that's just your opinion as Dostoevsky

0:21:48.810,0:21:52.450


0:21:48.820,0:21:54.760
said if there is no God everything is

0:21:52.440,0:21:54.760


0:21:52.450,0:21:57.130
permitted now I want to be very clear

0:21:54.750,0:21:57.130


0:21:54.760,0:21:59.350
here I'm not saying that a theist can't

0:21:57.120,0:21:59.350


0:21:57.130,0:22:01.030
know morality they do I'm not saying

0:21:59.340,0:22:01.030


0:21:59.350,0:22:03.070
that a theist can't be moral they can

0:22:01.020,0:22:03.070


0:22:01.030,0:22:04.840
I'm not saying that believing in God

0:22:03.060,0:22:04.840


0:22:03.070,0:22:06.220
makes you more moral as Christopher has

0:22:04.830,0:22:06.220


0:22:04.840,0:22:07.750
pointed out and as they say I agree with

0:22:06.210,0:22:07.750


0:22:06.220,0:22:10.450
much of what he writes here I'm not

0:22:07.740,0:22:10.450


0:22:07.750,0:22:12.040
saying that religious people are

0:22:10.440,0:22:12.040


0:22:10.450,0:22:14.620
necessarily better than atheist that's

0:22:12.030,0:22:14.620


0:22:12.040,0:22:17.080
not the argument the argument is is that

0:22:14.610,0:22:17.080


0:22:14.620,0:22:19.030
there's no way to say that a given act

0:22:17.070,0:22:19.030


0:22:17.080,0:22:22.060
is moral or immoral unless there's a

0:22:19.020,0:22:22.060


0:22:19.030,0:22:23.800
standard beyond humanity it's not just

0:22:22.050,0:22:23.800


0:22:22.060,0:22:26.140
my opinion it's not just Christopher's

0:22:23.790,0:22:26.140


0:22:23.800,0:22:28.960
opinion or Mother Teresa's or Hitler's

0:22:26.130,0:22:28.960


0:22:26.140,0:22:32.760
there's a standard beyond everybody that

0:22:28.950,0:22:32.760


0:22:28.960,0:22:34.540
defines what is right that standard is

0:22:32.750,0:22:34.540


0:22:32.760,0:22:37.360
God's very

0:22:34.530,0:22:37.360


0:22:34.540,0:22:39.130
nature since objective moral laws exist

0:22:37.350,0:22:39.130


0:22:37.360,0:22:40.510
there must be an objective moral

0:22:39.120,0:22:40.510


0:22:39.130,0:22:43.510
lawgiver you say no there doesn't need

0:22:40.500,0:22:43.510


0:22:40.510,0:22:45.220
to be any moral lawgiver if there's a

0:22:43.500,0:22:45.220


0:22:43.510,0:22:47.950
prescription there must be a prescriber

0:22:45.210,0:22:47.950


0:22:45.220,0:22:48.940
if you go to the pharmacist and say here

0:22:47.940,0:22:48.940


0:22:47.950,0:22:50.890
I'd like you to fill this prescription

0:22:48.930,0:22:50.890


0:22:48.940,0:22:53.680
and the pharmacist says who prescribed

0:22:50.880,0:22:53.680


0:22:50.890,0:22:56.770
it you go nobody are you going to get

0:22:53.670,0:22:56.770


0:22:53.680,0:22:58.270
your prescription no now there's again

0:22:56.760,0:22:58.270


0:22:56.770,0:23:00.160
there's a lot more on the moral argument

0:22:58.260,0:23:00.160


0:22:58.270,0:23:03.070
maybe we can talk about a little bit

0:23:00.150,0:23:03.070


0:23:00.160,0:23:05.320
during the QA but what can we learn from

0:23:03.060,0:23:05.320


0:23:03.070,0:23:07.450
these three arguments for God we can

0:23:05.310,0:23:07.450


0:23:05.320,0:23:08.890
learn from the cosmological argument

0:23:07.440,0:23:08.890


0:23:07.450,0:23:11.020
that this beam must be spaceless

0:23:08.880,0:23:11.020


0:23:08.890,0:23:14.080
timeless and immaterial why because it

0:23:11.010,0:23:14.080


0:23:11.020,0:23:15.850
created space-time and material it must

0:23:14.070,0:23:15.850


0:23:14.080,0:23:17.770
also be powerful why because it created

0:23:15.840,0:23:17.770


0:23:15.850,0:23:19.270
out of nothing must be personal why

0:23:17.760,0:23:19.270


0:23:17.770,0:23:20.740
because you can't go from a state of

0:23:19.260,0:23:20.740


0:23:19.270,0:23:22.660
non-existence to a state of existence

0:23:20.730,0:23:22.660


0:23:20.740,0:23:25.000
without making a choice and only

0:23:22.650,0:23:25.000


0:23:22.660,0:23:27.340
personal beans make choices impersonal

0:23:24.990,0:23:27.340


0:23:25.000,0:23:29.740
forces do not it must be intelligent why

0:23:27.330,0:23:29.740


0:23:27.340,0:23:32.380
because it created in such a highly

0:23:29.730,0:23:32.380


0:23:29.740,0:23:34.270
designed razor's edge way it must be

0:23:32.370,0:23:34.270


0:23:32.380,0:23:35.920
moral why do to the moral argument and

0:23:34.260,0:23:35.920


0:23:34.270,0:23:37.750
of course it must be a creator these

0:23:35.910,0:23:37.750


0:23:35.920,0:23:40.240
attributes are the attributes of what

0:23:37.740,0:23:40.240


0:23:37.750,0:23:42.250
the Bible would call God let me sum up

0:23:40.230,0:23:42.250


0:23:40.240,0:23:44.020
what agnostic astronomer Robert Jastrow

0:23:42.240,0:23:44.020


0:23:42.250,0:23:45.730
said after going through evidence like

0:23:44.010,0:23:45.730


0:23:44.020,0:23:47.410
this he said for the scientist who has

0:23:45.720,0:23:47.410


0:23:45.730,0:23:49.870
lived by his faith in the power of

0:23:47.400,0:23:49.870


0:23:47.410,0:23:51.550
reason remember he's the agnostic the

0:23:49.860,0:23:51.550


0:23:49.870,0:23:52.870
story ends like a bad dream he has

0:23:51.540,0:23:52.870


0:23:51.550,0:23:54.490
scaled the mounts of ignorance he's

0:23:52.860,0:23:54.490


0:23:52.870,0:23:56.500
about to conquer the highest peak as he

0:23:54.480,0:23:56.500


0:23:54.490,0:23:58.360
pulls himself up with a final rock he's

0:23:56.490,0:23:58.360


0:23:56.500,0:24:02.500
greeted by a band of theologians who've

0:23:58.350,0:24:02.500


0:23:58.360,0:24:05.560
been sitting there for centuries two

0:24:02.490,0:24:05.560


0:24:02.500,0:24:07.840
more minutes take three thank you sir

0:24:05.550,0:24:07.840


0:24:05.560,0:24:09.610
those are the three main arguments now

0:24:07.830,0:24:09.610


0:24:07.840,0:24:11.350
I'd like to say there's four additional

0:24:09.600,0:24:11.350


0:24:09.610,0:24:14.020
truths about the universe that are

0:24:11.340,0:24:14.020


0:24:11.350,0:24:16.600
better explained by theism than by

0:24:14.010,0:24:16.600


0:24:14.020,0:24:18.820
atheism first of all reason in the laws

0:24:16.590,0:24:18.820


0:24:16.600,0:24:21.340
of logic Christopher is a self-described

0:24:18.810,0:24:21.340


0:24:18.820,0:24:23.500
materialist but if atheism is true we

0:24:21.330,0:24:23.500


0:24:21.340,0:24:25.390
have no grounds to know it because

0:24:23.490,0:24:25.390


0:24:23.500,0:24:28.030
reason and thoughts are just chemical

0:24:25.380,0:24:28.030


0:24:25.390,0:24:30.430
reactions in the brain how can you have

0:24:28.020,0:24:30.430


0:24:28.030,0:24:33.670
even Einstein believed this Einstein was

0:24:30.420,0:24:33.670


0:24:30.430,0:24:36.820
a determinist how can you trust what

0:24:33.660,0:24:36.820


0:24:33.670,0:24:38.410
Christopher says if it's just chemical

0:24:36.810,0:24:38.410


0:24:36.820,0:24:40.600
reactions going on in his brain and

0:24:38.400,0:24:40.600


0:24:38.410,0:24:42.790
chemical reactions in our brain see

0:24:40.590,0:24:42.790


0:24:40.600,0:24:43.900
chemicals don't reason they react now

0:24:42.780,0:24:43.900


0:24:42.790,0:24:45.340
I'm not saying there's no connection

0:24:43.890,0:24:45.340


0:24:43.900,0:24:47.650
between our thinking and chemicals there

0:24:45.330,0:24:47.650


0:24:45.340,0:24:48.490
is but if it's nothing but chemicals how

0:24:47.640,0:24:48.490


0:24:47.650,0:24:50.170
can we trust them

0:24:48.480,0:24:50.170


0:24:48.490,0:24:53.890
even Darwin recognized this it's called

0:24:50.160,0:24:53.890


0:24:50.170,0:24:57.250
Darwin's doubt he said if we are just

0:24:53.880,0:24:57.250


0:24:53.890,0:24:58.870
the product materially of primates why

0:24:57.240,0:24:58.870


0:24:57.250,0:25:00.550
shy to even why should I even trust

0:24:58.860,0:25:00.550


0:24:58.870,0:25:04.450
anything much less my theory of natural

0:25:00.540,0:25:04.450


0:25:00.550,0:25:06.490
selection so the next major reason is

0:25:04.440,0:25:06.490


0:25:04.450,0:25:07.780
the laws of mathematics science depends

0:25:06.480,0:25:07.780


0:25:06.490,0:25:10.000
on the notion that the universe is

0:25:07.770,0:25:10.000


0:25:07.780,0:25:12.309
rational and mathematical at all levels

0:25:09.990,0:25:12.309


0:25:10.000,0:25:13.960
but how does rationality and mathematics

0:25:12.299,0:25:13.960


0:25:12.309,0:25:17.080
arise from randomness how do they come

0:25:13.950,0:25:17.080


0:25:13.960,0:25:20.620
from matter rationality and mathematics

0:25:17.070,0:25:20.620


0:25:17.080,0:25:22.570
are the product of mind not matter so

0:25:20.610,0:25:22.570


0:25:20.620,0:25:24.429
you got reason in the laws of logic the

0:25:22.560,0:25:24.429


0:25:22.570,0:25:26.830
laws of mathematics and then number

0:25:24.419,0:25:26.830


0:25:24.429,0:25:29.500
seven or seven in my list here three in

0:25:26.820,0:25:29.500


0:25:26.830,0:25:33.100
the edition human freedom and the

0:25:29.490,0:25:33.100


0:25:29.500,0:25:34.840
ability to make choices Christopher is

0:25:33.090,0:25:34.840


0:25:33.100,0:25:36.580
somebody who is very concerned about

0:25:34.830,0:25:36.580


0:25:34.840,0:25:39.100
human free and about freedom as I am but

0:25:36.570,0:25:39.100


0:25:36.580,0:25:41.470
again if we are just molecules in motion

0:25:39.090,0:25:41.470


0:25:39.100,0:25:43.480
how do we have human freedom William

0:25:41.460,0:25:43.480


0:25:41.470,0:25:45.309
provine from Cornell he's the

0:25:43.470,0:25:45.309


0:25:43.480,0:25:47.200
materialist of Darwinist he points out

0:25:45.299,0:25:47.200


0:25:45.309,0:25:51.600
that we don't have any human freedom if

0:25:47.190,0:25:51.600


0:25:47.200,0:25:54.190
all we are is molecules in motion now

0:25:51.590,0:25:54.190


0:25:51.600,0:25:59.100
Christopher ought not scold anybody for

0:25:54.180,0:25:59.100


0:25:54.190,0:26:00.960
being a snake handling bible-thumping

0:25:59.090,0:26:00.960


0:25:59.100,0:26:03.370
fundamentalist Preacher

0:26:00.950,0:26:03.370


0:26:00.960,0:26:05.770
because according to his own worldview

0:26:03.360,0:26:05.770


0:26:03.370,0:26:07.410
that person is that way because these

0:26:05.760,0:26:07.410


0:26:05.770,0:26:11.140
are just chemicals going on in his brain

0:26:07.400,0:26:11.140


0:26:07.410,0:26:14.110
neither could you say that Hitler had

0:26:11.130,0:26:14.110


0:26:11.140,0:26:16.660
done anything wrong if it's just

0:26:14.100,0:26:16.660


0:26:14.110,0:26:19.480
chemicals going on in his brain I mean

0:26:16.650,0:26:19.480


0:26:16.660,0:26:22.570
what is the murder molecule how much

0:26:19.470,0:26:22.570


0:26:19.480,0:26:24.070
does justice weigh these are questions

0:26:22.560,0:26:24.070


0:26:22.570,0:26:26.290
that have no answer in a materialistic

0:26:24.060,0:26:26.290


0:26:24.070,0:26:28.390
worldview but that is Christopher's

0:26:26.280,0:26:28.390


0:26:26.290,0:26:30.520
worldview it seems to me that it makes

0:26:28.380,0:26:30.520


0:26:28.390,0:26:33.400
much more sense to say that reason and

0:26:30.510,0:26:33.400


0:26:30.520,0:26:37.390
laws of logic mathematics and human

0:26:33.390,0:26:37.390


0:26:33.400,0:26:39.670
freedom come from a great mind that

0:26:37.380,0:26:39.670


0:26:37.390,0:26:42.640
granted us these immaterial realities

0:26:39.660,0:26:42.640


0:26:39.670,0:26:44.110
the final argument is consciousness do

0:26:42.630,0:26:44.110


0:26:42.640,0:26:46.360
you know that a heap of sand and a human

0:26:44.100,0:26:46.360


0:26:44.110,0:26:48.429
brain have the same elements why are

0:26:46.350,0:26:48.429


0:26:46.360,0:26:51.220
some carbon-based molecules conscious

0:26:48.419,0:26:51.220


0:26:48.429,0:26:53.070
and others are not materialists have no

0:26:51.210,0:26:53.070


0:26:51.220,0:26:55.120
answer for this Daniel Dennett another

0:26:53.060,0:26:55.120


0:26:53.070,0:26:56.740
person who would agree with Christopher

0:26:55.110,0:26:56.740


0:26:55.120,0:26:58.410
on many things he's a materialist says

0:26:56.730,0:26:58.410


0:26:56.740,0:27:01.590
that consciousness is in a

0:26:58.400,0:27:01.590


0:26:58.410,0:27:03.030
lucien because he's a materialist you're

0:27:01.580,0:27:03.030


0:27:01.590,0:27:04.890
not really witnessing right net this

0:27:03.020,0:27:04.890


0:27:03.030,0:27:07.230
right now you it's just an illusion

0:27:04.880,0:27:07.230


0:27:04.890,0:27:10.560
now one wonders if he was conscious when

0:27:07.220,0:27:10.560


0:27:07.230,0:27:12.390
he wrote this but again there is no

0:27:10.550,0:27:12.390


0:27:10.560,0:27:14.310
explanation for this in an atheistic

0:27:12.380,0:27:14.310


0:27:12.390,0:27:15.870
worldview now I have a couple other

0:27:14.300,0:27:15.870


0:27:14.310,0:27:17.400
arguments on the bench but I don't have

0:27:15.860,0:27:17.400


0:27:15.870,0:27:19.740
time to get to them let me just sum up

0:27:17.390,0:27:19.740


0:27:17.400,0:27:21.840
in one minute we need to take all this

0:27:19.730,0:27:21.840


0:27:19.740,0:27:23.160
data in context not just one argument

0:27:21.830,0:27:23.160


0:27:21.840,0:27:25.950
but all of them what is the best

0:27:23.150,0:27:25.950


0:27:23.160,0:27:27.360
explanation Christopher has to explain

0:27:25.940,0:27:27.360


0:27:25.950,0:27:29.610
these eight truths about the universe

0:27:27.350,0:27:29.610


0:27:27.360,0:27:30.960
from an atheistic perspective he must

0:27:29.600,0:27:30.960


0:27:29.610,0:27:33.000
explain how the universal rose from

0:27:30.950,0:27:33.000


0:27:30.960,0:27:35.220
nothing how extreme fine-tuning and

0:27:32.990,0:27:35.220


0:27:33.000,0:27:37.170
design rose from chaos how life arose

0:27:35.210,0:27:37.170


0:27:35.220,0:27:38.550
from non-life how morality arose from

0:27:37.160,0:27:38.550


0:27:37.170,0:27:40.950
materials how reason in the laws of

0:27:38.540,0:27:40.950


0:27:38.550,0:27:43.260
logic arose from matter how mind arose

0:27:40.940,0:27:43.260


0:27:40.950,0:27:45.240
from mud how mathematics arose from

0:27:43.250,0:27:45.240


0:27:43.260,0:27:47.640
molecules how human freedom arose from

0:27:45.230,0:27:47.640


0:27:45.240,0:27:50.280
blind repetitive forces and how

0:27:47.630,0:27:50.280


0:27:47.640,0:27:52.050
consciousness arose from chemicals if he

0:27:50.270,0:27:52.050


0:27:50.280,0:27:53.610
can't give evidence to explain these

0:27:52.040,0:27:53.610


0:27:52.050,0:27:56.220
truths about reality from an atheistic

0:27:53.600,0:27:56.220


0:27:53.610,0:27:59.130
perspective if he's just going to state

0:27:56.210,0:27:59.130


0:27:56.220,0:28:01.740
unsupported speculative possibilities

0:27:59.120,0:28:01.740


0:27:59.130,0:28:05.790
that rely on faith then I think theism

0:28:01.730,0:28:05.790


0:28:01.740,0:28:08.960
is a more reasonable worldview thank you

0:28:05.780,0:28:08.960


0:28:05.790,0:28:08.960
for your attention I appreciate

0:28:23.270,0:28:23.270


0:28:23.280,0:28:28.450
Thank You dr. Turk will not have 20

0:28:26.070,0:28:28.450


0:28:26.080,0:28:30.720
minutes from mr. hitches at his opening

0:28:28.440,0:28:30.720


0:28:28.450,0:28:30.720
State

0:28:40.830,0:28:40.830


0:28:40.840,0:28:47.480
Thank You mr. chairman thank you ladies

0:28:43.960,0:28:47.480


0:28:43.970,0:28:49.700
and gentlemen for coming thank you dr.

0:28:47.470,0:28:49.700


0:28:47.480,0:28:51.890
turret for that very spirited opening to

0:28:49.690,0:28:51.890


0:28:49.700,0:28:54.380
the evening I should say first it's a

0:28:51.880,0:28:54.380


0:28:51.890,0:28:58.220
great honor to be in the capital of the

0:28:54.370,0:28:58.220


0:28:54.380,0:29:00.970
great state of Virginia I'm a in a small

0:28:58.210,0:29:00.970


0:28:58.220,0:29:06.110
way a biographer of Thomas Jefferson and

0:29:00.960,0:29:06.110


0:29:00.970,0:29:08.000
his memorial as you know omitted

0:29:06.100,0:29:08.000


0:29:06.110,0:29:09.710
dimension of his presidencies and vice

0:29:07.990,0:29:09.710


0:29:08.000,0:29:12.200
presidencies and preferred to focus on

0:29:09.700,0:29:12.200


0:29:09.710,0:29:13.910
his work at the University and his

0:29:12.190,0:29:13.910


0:29:12.200,0:29:16.280
authorship of the Virginia statute on

0:29:13.900,0:29:16.280


0:29:13.910,0:29:18.410
religious freedom which is the embryo

0:29:16.270,0:29:18.410


0:29:16.280,0:29:21.080
and basis of the First Amendment to our

0:29:18.400,0:29:21.080


0:29:18.410,0:29:22.160
Constitution which makes this the only

0:29:21.070,0:29:22.160


0:29:21.080,0:29:25.460
country in the world that has ever

0:29:22.150,0:29:25.460


0:29:22.160,0:29:28.370
decided that God and constitutional

0:29:25.450,0:29:28.370


0:29:25.460,0:29:30.260
matters should be separated and it's in

0:29:28.360,0:29:30.260


0:29:28.370,0:29:34.340
defense partly of a civilizational

0:29:30.250,0:29:34.340


0:29:30.260,0:29:36.710
impulse that I rise this evening to

0:29:34.330,0:29:36.710


0:29:34.340,0:29:39.980
satirize the idea that we're here by

0:29:36.700,0:29:39.980


0:29:36.710,0:29:42.470
somebody else's permission and owe that

0:29:39.970,0:29:42.470


0:29:39.980,0:29:46.580
person an explanation which is what it

0:29:42.460,0:29:46.580


0:29:42.470,0:29:50.660
is to be atheist if not a dears to say

0:29:46.570,0:29:50.660


0:29:46.580,0:29:53.120
Lyrae I almost never watch television

0:29:50.650,0:29:53.120


0:29:50.660,0:29:55.520
and I'm usually glad that I do but now

0:29:53.110,0:29:55.520


0:29:53.120,0:29:59.630
I'm glad that I sometimes I'm forced by

0:29:55.510,0:29:59.630


0:29:55.520,0:30:01.340
my daughter to watch Family Guy because

0:29:59.620,0:30:01.340


0:29:59.630,0:30:04.070
you may possibly have seen the moment

0:30:01.330,0:30:04.070


0:30:01.340,0:30:05.390
when the chubby father comes down in the

0:30:04.060,0:30:05.390


0:30:04.070,0:30:05.920
morning and looks at his cereal in the

0:30:05.380,0:30:05.920


0:30:05.390,0:30:08.360
bowl

0:30:05.910,0:30:08.360


0:30:05.920,0:30:11.720
accepting your some one of your more

0:30:08.350,0:30:11.720


0:30:08.360,0:30:13.890
sophisticated challenges and he says it

0:30:11.710,0:30:13.890


0:30:11.720,0:30:18.140
says woo

0:30:13.880,0:30:18.140


0:30:13.890,0:30:18.140
and it's always says there's a Cheerios

0:30:20.289,0:30:20.289


0:30:20.299,0:30:26.850
but I accept the ontological challenge

0:30:22.850,0:30:26.850


0:30:22.860,0:30:29.220
and I accept it in this way the answer

0:30:26.840,0:30:29.220


0:30:26.850,0:30:31.049
to the question which with with which we

0:30:29.210,0:30:31.049


0:30:29.220,0:30:33.570
confront ourselves tonight or are

0:30:31.039,0:30:33.570


0:30:31.049,0:30:41.309
confronted if you prefer does God exist

0:30:33.560,0:30:41.309


0:30:33.570,0:30:43.590
is to me yes it does it must do it must

0:30:41.299,0:30:43.590


0:30:41.309,0:30:46.980
do because it is so real to those who do

0:30:43.580,0:30:46.980


0:30:43.590,0:30:50.280
believe in it there are people of whom

0:30:46.970,0:30:50.280


0:30:46.980,0:30:52.260
it may be said that for them God does

0:30:50.270,0:30:52.260


0:30:50.280,0:30:54.900
exist I've become perfectly persuaded of

0:30:52.250,0:30:54.900


0:30:52.260,0:30:56.669
this by now there is no form of

0:30:54.890,0:30:56.669


0:30:54.900,0:30:59.340
persuasion that would make me assent to

0:30:56.659,0:30:59.340


0:30:56.669,0:31:03.090
this proposition some of us are born we

0:30:59.330,0:31:03.090


0:30:59.340,0:31:05.880
are born to in answer to Blaise Pascal's

0:31:03.080,0:31:05.880


0:31:03.090,0:31:08.010
own problem the one that made him write

0:31:05.870,0:31:08.010


0:31:05.880,0:31:10.429
his plan say and addressed them to those

0:31:08.000,0:31:10.429


0:31:08.010,0:31:12.690
who are so made that they cannot believe

0:31:10.419,0:31:12.690


0:31:10.429,0:31:14.040
those of us to whom almost everything

0:31:12.680,0:31:14.040


0:31:12.690,0:31:16.740
that dr. Troy just said would be the

0:31:14.030,0:31:16.740


0:31:14.040,0:31:18.570
mere equivalent of white noise I suppose

0:31:16.730,0:31:18.570


0:31:16.740,0:31:20.700
it's my job deceive you to explain on to

0:31:18.560,0:31:20.700


0:31:18.570,0:31:23.270
logically how that is the case perhaps

0:31:20.690,0:31:23.270


0:31:20.700,0:31:27.540
I'll do it by a force of example

0:31:23.260,0:31:27.540


0:31:23.270,0:31:30.030
recently very recently that as little go

0:31:27.530,0:31:30.030


0:31:27.540,0:31:32.880
in time as last year the Vatican

0:31:30.020,0:31:32.880


0:31:30.030,0:31:37.110
announced that limbo the destination of

0:31:32.870,0:31:37.110


0:31:32.880,0:31:41.750
the unbaptized child soul no longer

0:31:37.100,0:31:41.750


0:31:37.110,0:31:41.750
exists there is no such place

0:31:41.750,0:31:41.750


0:31:41.760,0:31:47.880
Saint Augustine was in error it appears

0:31:44.480,0:31:47.880


0:31:44.490,0:31:49.260
in sending so many children at least the

0:31:47.870,0:31:49.260


0:31:47.880,0:31:52.230
souls of so many are baptized children

0:31:49.250,0:31:52.230


0:31:49.260,0:31:54.720
to this destination for so long

0:31:52.220,0:31:54.720


0:31:52.230,0:31:58.410
among the comments that I heard about

0:31:54.710,0:31:58.410


0:31:54.720,0:32:00.900
this one the mildest actually was that

0:31:58.400,0:32:00.900


0:31:58.410,0:32:04.470
of a woman raised in the Catholic faith

0:32:00.890,0:32:04.470


0:32:00.900,0:32:06.270
whose child had died before baptism

0:32:04.460,0:32:06.270


0:32:04.470,0:32:08.490
could take place who had for many years

0:32:06.260,0:32:08.490


0:32:06.270,0:32:10.530
believed that that's where her own

0:32:08.480,0:32:10.530


0:32:08.490,0:32:12.000
baptized child had gone and she said

0:32:10.520,0:32:12.000


0:32:10.530,0:32:14.669
they can't tell me that place doesn't

0:32:11.990,0:32:14.669


0:32:12.000,0:32:17.220
exist it's been as real to me as

0:32:14.659,0:32:17.220


0:32:14.669,0:32:19.650
anything possibly could be for so long

0:32:17.210,0:32:19.650


0:32:17.220,0:32:22.650
they have no right to tell me now that

0:32:19.640,0:32:22.650


0:32:19.650,0:32:25.710
this no longer is it ontologically limbo

0:32:22.640,0:32:25.710


0:32:22.650,0:32:27.570
exists for those who believe in it just

0:32:25.700,0:32:27.570


0:32:25.710,0:32:30.570
as God does I'm not here to deny

0:32:27.560,0:32:30.570


0:32:27.570,0:32:33.360
that it's only a few decades now since

0:32:30.560,0:32:33.360


0:32:30.570,0:32:34.920
the rival church Church of Rome the

0:32:33.350,0:32:34.920


0:32:33.360,0:32:37.290
Church of England announced really no

0:32:34.910,0:32:37.290


0:32:34.920,0:32:39.480
one actually goes to hell it could be

0:32:37.280,0:32:39.480


0:32:37.290,0:32:42.630
that after you die or forbidden God's

0:32:39.470,0:32:42.630


0:32:39.480,0:32:45.960
grace but there's no real place of

0:32:42.620,0:32:45.960


0:32:42.630,0:32:48.870
eternal unending infinite torture and

0:32:45.950,0:32:48.870


0:32:45.960,0:32:50.870
torment with which those who claim the

0:32:48.860,0:32:50.870


0:32:48.870,0:32:53.850
grace of God in the redemption of Jesus

0:32:50.860,0:32:53.850


0:32:50.870,0:32:55.800
made a living for so many years and how

0:32:53.840,0:32:55.800


0:32:53.850,0:32:58.980
do they make their living by lying to

0:32:55.790,0:32:58.980


0:32:55.800,0:33:01.280
children think of it hundreds and

0:32:58.970,0:33:01.280


0:32:58.980,0:33:04.980
hundreds of years of people proudly

0:33:01.270,0:33:04.980


0:33:01.280,0:33:06.840
earning their keep by lying to children

0:33:04.970,0:33:06.840


0:33:04.980,0:33:08.610
and terrifying them and saying that

0:33:06.830,0:33:08.610


0:33:06.840,0:33:12.870
because they could do that they were

0:33:08.600,0:33:12.870


0:33:08.610,0:33:15.570
morally superior to us reason common

0:33:12.860,0:33:15.570


0:33:12.870,0:33:19.830
sense decent ordinary decency rebels

0:33:15.560,0:33:19.830


0:33:15.570,0:33:23.430
against this kind of mind forged manacle

0:33:19.820,0:33:23.430


0:33:19.830,0:33:25.500
however charmingly or humorously it's

0:33:23.420,0:33:25.500


0:33:23.430,0:33:26.700
expressed but hell exists in the minds

0:33:25.490,0:33:26.700


0:33:25.500,0:33:29.430
of several people I've spoken to you

0:33:26.690,0:33:29.430


0:33:26.700,0:33:32.790
just today on this campus in the in the

0:33:29.420,0:33:32.790


0:33:29.430,0:33:34.710
intervals of other conversations for

0:33:32.780,0:33:34.710


0:33:32.790,0:33:37.650
them it's real and I don't say that it's

0:33:34.700,0:33:37.650


0:33:34.710,0:33:39.840
not what I want to show is that it can

0:33:37.640,0:33:39.840


0:33:37.650,0:33:42.510
if it does exist nonetheless be

0:33:39.830,0:33:42.510


0:33:39.840,0:33:45.210
abolished like many other mine forged

0:33:42.500,0:33:45.210


0:33:42.510,0:33:47.790
manacles and manmade tyrannies that

0:33:45.200,0:33:47.790


0:33:45.210,0:33:51.060
confront us and in fact that this belief

0:33:47.780,0:33:51.060


0:33:47.790,0:33:52.860
in a supreme and unalterable tyranny is

0:33:51.050,0:33:52.860


0:33:51.060,0:33:55.530
the oldest enemy of our species the

0:33:52.850,0:33:55.530


0:33:52.860,0:33:58.110
oldest enemy of our intellectual freedom

0:33:55.520,0:33:58.110


0:33:55.530,0:33:59.910
and our moral autonomy and must be met

0:33:58.100,0:33:59.910


0:33:58.110,0:34:02.700
and must be challenged and must be

0:33:59.900,0:34:02.700


0:33:59.910,0:34:07.860
overthrown I want to argue for nothing

0:34:02.690,0:34:07.860


0:34:02.700,0:34:09.390
less than that it's actually rather

0:34:07.850,0:34:09.390


0:34:07.860,0:34:10.560
wonderful isn't it the religious

0:34:09.380,0:34:10.560


0:34:09.390,0:34:13.800
authorities used to say they were

0:34:10.550,0:34:13.800


0:34:10.560,0:34:15.480
infallible say just take the last Pope

0:34:13.790,0:34:15.480


0:34:13.800,0:34:17.010
just the last I know I'm not talking

0:34:15.470,0:34:17.010


0:34:15.480,0:34:19.590
with the Catholic apologist this evening

0:34:17.000,0:34:19.590


0:34:17.010,0:34:21.090
but nonetheless the church when people

0:34:19.580,0:34:21.090


0:34:19.590,0:34:23.190
say the church they know which one they

0:34:21.080,0:34:23.190


0:34:21.090,0:34:24.750
mean they mean the one in Rome the one

0:34:23.180,0:34:24.750


0:34:23.190,0:34:27.060
where when Stephen Hawking was invited

0:34:24.740,0:34:27.060


0:34:24.750,0:34:28.260
and was asked at the conference on the

0:34:27.050,0:34:28.260


0:34:27.060,0:34:30.600
church and science is there anything

0:34:28.250,0:34:30.600


0:34:28.260,0:34:31.740
he'd like to see in Rome while he was

0:34:30.590,0:34:31.740


0:34:30.600,0:34:34.410
there he said he'd like to see the

0:34:31.730,0:34:34.410


0:34:31.740,0:34:36.990
records of the trial of Galileo

0:34:34.400,0:34:36.990


0:34:34.410,0:34:40.040
don't please be invoking mr. Hawking by

0:34:36.980,0:34:40.040


0:34:36.990,0:34:40.040
the way as if he was a deist

0:34:40.040,0:34:40.040


0:34:40.050,0:34:46.560
the last pope just in the last decade of

0:34:44.090,0:34:46.560


0:34:44.100,0:34:48.929
his tenure apologized he said we were

0:34:46.550,0:34:48.929


0:34:46.560,0:34:50.460
wrong about the Jewish Question we

0:34:48.919,0:34:50.460


0:34:48.929,0:34:51.899
probably shouldn't have said for so long

0:34:50.450,0:34:51.899


0:34:50.460,0:34:54.899
the Jews were responsible for the murder

0:34:51.889,0:34:54.899


0:34:51.899,0:34:57.260
of Christ we were probably wrong in

0:34:54.889,0:34:57.260


0:34:54.899,0:34:59.850
forced conversion of the peoples of the

0:34:57.250,0:34:59.850


0:34:57.260,0:35:01.350
Indies as they were thought of the

0:34:59.840,0:35:01.350


0:34:59.850,0:35:04.560
Isthmus and the Southern Cone of our

0:35:01.340,0:35:04.560


0:35:01.350,0:35:06.150
hemisphere we were certainly wrong we

0:35:04.550,0:35:06.150


0:35:04.560,0:35:08.700
owe an apology to the Muslims for the

0:35:06.140,0:35:08.700


0:35:06.150,0:35:11.360
atrocities of the Crusades we are an

0:35:08.690,0:35:11.360


0:35:08.700,0:35:14.340
apology to the Eastern Orthodox churches

0:35:11.350,0:35:14.340


0:35:11.360,0:35:15.780
for the incredible butchery to which

0:35:14.330,0:35:15.780


0:35:14.340,0:35:18.150
they our fellow Christians were

0:35:15.770,0:35:18.150


0:35:15.780,0:35:19.740
subjected by us the Roman Catholic and

0:35:18.140,0:35:19.740


0:35:18.150,0:35:22.320
we probably only polled you to the

0:35:19.730,0:35:22.320


0:35:19.740,0:35:23.610
Protestants for saying and so many awful

0:35:22.310,0:35:23.610


0:35:22.320,0:35:25.800
things about them and torturing and

0:35:23.600,0:35:25.800


0:35:23.610,0:35:27.900
burning and killing them too so having

0:35:25.790,0:35:27.900


0:35:25.800,0:35:30.540
now said we were completely wrong and

0:35:27.890,0:35:30.540


0:35:27.900,0:35:32.430
completely cruel and completely sadistic

0:35:30.530,0:35:32.430


0:35:30.540,0:35:34.440
and completely violent and retarded

0:35:32.420,0:35:34.440


0:35:32.430,0:35:36.180
human civilization for that many

0:35:34.430,0:35:36.180


0:35:34.440,0:35:36.830
centuries in that many countries and

0:35:36.170,0:35:36.830


0:35:36.180,0:35:39.240
continents

0:35:36.820,0:35:39.240


0:35:36.830,0:35:41.430
we're quit and now we can go back to

0:35:39.230,0:35:41.430


0:35:39.240,0:35:44.070
being a fallible all over again there

0:35:41.420,0:35:44.070


0:35:41.430,0:35:46.440
are there are people who on faith will

0:35:44.060,0:35:46.440


0:35:44.070,0:35:49.290
accept being spoken to in that tone of

0:35:46.430,0:35:49.290


0:35:46.440,0:35:51.510
voice and in that way but I ladies and

0:35:49.280,0:35:51.510


0:35:49.290,0:35:52.800
gentlemen and not one of them and I

0:35:51.500,0:35:52.800


0:35:51.510,0:35:55.200
don't think there's any form of

0:35:52.790,0:35:55.200


0:35:52.800,0:35:57.840
persuasion that should allow you to be

0:35:55.190,0:35:57.840


0:35:55.200,0:36:02.970
spoken to as if you were serfs or slaves

0:35:57.830,0:36:02.970


0:35:57.840,0:36:05.070
either proceeding with the ontology with

0:36:02.960,0:36:05.070


0:36:02.970,0:36:07.650
which I began the Aquinas point that if

0:36:05.060,0:36:07.650


0:36:05.070,0:36:12.660
you can conceive of something whether

0:36:07.640,0:36:12.660


0:36:07.650,0:36:14.250
it's a ghost a phantasm or deity if you

0:36:12.650,0:36:14.250


0:36:12.660,0:36:17.370
can conceive of something it is in some

0:36:14.240,0:36:17.370


0:36:14.250,0:36:19.260
sense real if it's real in your mind and

0:36:17.360,0:36:19.260


0:36:17.370,0:36:21.180
showing with the obvious fallacy that

0:36:19.250,0:36:21.180


0:36:19.260,0:36:23.010
has always attended that is it

0:36:21.170,0:36:23.010


0:36:21.180,0:36:24.720
nonetheless possible for an atheist to

0:36:23.000,0:36:24.720


0:36:23.010,0:36:26.160
say it proclaimed atheists to say as I

0:36:24.710,0:36:26.160


0:36:24.720,0:36:28.590
do

0:36:26.150,0:36:28.590


0:36:26.160,0:36:31.940
proclaim myself to be that God

0:36:28.580,0:36:31.940


0:36:28.590,0:36:34.800
positively can be said not to exist no

0:36:31.930,0:36:34.800


0:36:31.940,0:36:36.930
it's a very common misunderstanding

0:36:34.790,0:36:36.930


0:36:34.800,0:36:40.050
about my fraternity sorority I'll just

0:36:36.920,0:36:40.050


0:36:36.930,0:36:42.270
take a moment to clear it up the atheist

0:36:40.040,0:36:42.270


0:36:40.050,0:36:44.550
says no persuasive argument for the

0:36:42.260,0:36:44.550


0:36:42.270,0:36:47.820
existence of God has ever been advanced

0:36:44.540,0:36:47.820


0:36:44.550,0:36:51.390
or adduced without convincing rebuttal

0:36:47.810,0:36:51.390


0:36:47.820,0:36:54.120
that no argument in favor stats or has

0:36:51.380,0:36:54.120


0:36:51.390,0:36:57.630
been found to stand the test of

0:36:54.110,0:36:57.630


0:36:54.120,0:36:59.820
we cannot say that we know that there

0:36:57.620,0:36:59.820


0:36:57.630,0:37:02.000
could be no such entity among other

0:36:59.810,0:37:02.000


0:36:59.820,0:37:04.790
things we are too reverent of the

0:37:01.990,0:37:04.790


0:37:02.000,0:37:07.890
extraordinary time of discovery

0:37:04.780,0:37:07.890


0:37:04.790,0:37:09.870
innovation pushing back of the frontiers

0:37:07.880,0:37:09.870


0:37:07.890,0:37:11.400
of knowledge and and understanding

0:37:09.860,0:37:11.400


0:37:09.870,0:37:14.340
that's taking place just in our own time

0:37:11.390,0:37:14.340


0:37:11.400,0:37:18.960
to make any such remark but by saying

0:37:14.330,0:37:18.960


0:37:14.340,0:37:22.170
this we say I think quite a lot there is

0:37:18.950,0:37:22.170


0:37:18.960,0:37:25.350
no valid or coherent or consistent

0:37:22.160,0:37:25.350


0:37:22.170,0:37:27.150
argument that would not work if it comes

0:37:25.340,0:37:27.150


0:37:25.350,0:37:29.430
to that for the existence of any God now

0:37:27.140,0:37:29.430


0:37:27.150,0:37:32.550
I noticed it was a by a slight work of

0:37:29.420,0:37:32.550


0:37:29.430,0:37:35.730
elision a bit of tap dancing there the

0:37:32.540,0:37:35.730


0:37:32.550,0:37:37.650
doctor turret went from being a deist to

0:37:35.720,0:37:37.650


0:37:35.730,0:37:40.500
a theist and then from being a theist to

0:37:37.640,0:37:40.500


0:37:37.650,0:37:42.270
a Christian now I know he does not

0:37:40.490,0:37:42.270


0:37:40.500,0:37:45.660
believe in the existence of the Sun God

0:37:42.260,0:37:45.660


0:37:42.270,0:37:47.600
raah I'm practically certain he doesn't

0:37:45.650,0:37:47.600


0:37:45.660,0:37:50.340
believe in the existence of Zeus if

0:37:47.590,0:37:50.340


0:37:47.600,0:37:52.110
you'll pick up a copy of my portable

0:37:50.330,0:37:52.110


0:37:50.340,0:37:55.020
atheist a selection of the finest

0:37:52.100,0:37:55.020


0:37:52.110,0:37:56.880
writings by non-believers Charlie isn't

0:37:55.010,0:37:56.880


0:37:55.020,0:38:01.950
just turn to the three pages where

0:37:56.870,0:38:01.950


0:37:56.880,0:38:04.650
Menken HL Mencken lists the easiest to

0:38:01.940,0:38:04.650


0:38:01.950,0:38:06.270
name 3000 gods that used to be

0:38:04.640,0:38:06.270


0:38:04.650,0:38:09.270
worshipped and that no longer a hell to

0:38:06.260,0:38:09.270


0:38:06.270,0:38:12.360
exist by anybody you'll spare me the

0:38:09.260,0:38:12.360


0:38:09.270,0:38:15.180
trouble of reading them out no he thinks

0:38:12.350,0:38:15.180


0:38:12.360,0:38:17.190
he doesn't just know dr. Torah that

0:38:15.170,0:38:17.190


0:38:15.180,0:38:19.380
there is a God he knows which one is the

0:38:17.180,0:38:19.380


0:38:17.190,0:38:21.000
right one from a potentially infinite

0:38:19.370,0:38:21.000


0:38:19.380,0:38:22.890
list actually from the list that's as

0:38:20.990,0:38:22.890


0:38:21.000,0:38:24.900
long as the number of people there are

0:38:22.880,0:38:24.900


0:38:22.890,0:38:26.820
or have ever been in the human species

0:38:24.890,0:38:26.820


0:38:24.900,0:38:29.250
because if you ever argue with a theist

0:38:26.810,0:38:29.250


0:38:26.820,0:38:31.050
or a deus as I do every day you'll find

0:38:29.240,0:38:31.050


0:38:29.250,0:38:33.450
they all believe in a God of their very

0:38:31.040,0:38:33.450


0:38:31.050,0:38:35.820
own do they often say a personal God

0:38:33.440,0:38:35.820


0:38:33.450,0:38:38.670
indeed they often say a personal Savior

0:38:35.810,0:38:38.670


0:38:35.820,0:38:41.610
so out of out of what are we really a

0:38:38.660,0:38:41.610


0:38:38.670,0:38:44.700
concept that applies to all of us out of

0:38:41.600,0:38:44.700


0:38:41.610,0:38:47.790
nothing but wish thinking and nonsense

0:38:44.690,0:38:47.790


0:38:44.700,0:38:50.930
and fear and ignorance and above all and

0:38:47.780,0:38:50.930


0:38:47.790,0:38:54.000
I'm not quitting on this point servility

0:38:50.920,0:38:54.000


0:38:50.930,0:38:55.980
everyone in this room is an atheist

0:38:53.990,0:38:55.980


0:38:54.000,0:38:58.770
everyone can name a God in which they do

0:38:55.970,0:38:58.770


0:38:55.980,0:39:00.150
not believe let them advance the case

0:38:58.760,0:39:00.150


0:38:58.770,0:39:03.510
that the one in which they believe is

0:39:00.140,0:39:03.510


0:39:00.150,0:39:05.190
the superior one dr. torrid be the first

0:39:03.500,0:39:05.190


0:39:03.510,0:39:07.920
person I've ever met to do that

0:39:05.180,0:39:07.920


0:39:05.190,0:39:11.069
convincingly this evening and I will

0:39:07.910,0:39:11.069


0:39:07.920,0:39:14.910
show him due respect I don't think the

0:39:11.059,0:39:14.910


0:39:11.069,0:39:16.920
task can actually be undertaken now the

0:39:14.900,0:39:16.920


0:39:14.910,0:39:19.380
same trap dancing hopes you will not

0:39:16.910,0:39:19.380


0:39:16.920,0:39:22.500
notice but deism and theism are two

0:39:19.370,0:39:22.500


0:39:19.380,0:39:24.630
quite different things the Deus argument

0:39:22.490,0:39:24.630


0:39:22.500,0:39:27.599
says that there is so much order

0:39:24.620,0:39:27.599


0:39:24.630,0:39:29.609
apparent in nature and in the cosmos in

0:39:27.589,0:39:29.609


0:39:27.599,0:39:32.599
the universe that it might be unwise to

0:39:29.599,0:39:32.599


0:39:29.609,0:39:35.849
assume that such order has no-one

0:39:32.589,0:39:35.849


0:39:32.599,0:39:37.500
interested in ordering or design that

0:39:35.839,0:39:37.500


0:39:35.849,0:39:41.160
assumption might be a nun might be not

0:39:37.490,0:39:41.160


0:39:37.500,0:39:43.920
Safeway the philosopher Paley in his

0:39:41.150,0:39:43.920


0:39:41.160,0:39:45.660
natural theology said desire implies a

0:39:43.910,0:39:45.660


0:39:43.920,0:39:48.240
designer he came up with the very famous

0:39:45.650,0:39:48.240


0:39:45.660,0:39:50.760
image of the watch if you come across

0:39:48.230,0:39:50.760


0:39:48.240,0:39:53.490
watch if you're a primitive tribes

0:39:50.750,0:39:53.490


0:39:50.760,0:39:55.109
person in the Sahara you may not know

0:39:53.480,0:39:55.109


0:39:53.490,0:39:56.970
what it's for but you know there's not a

0:39:55.099,0:39:56.970


0:39:55.109,0:39:59.930
rock or a vegetable you know it has a

0:39:56.960,0:39:59.930


0:39:56.970,0:40:02.700
purpose and someone made it that way

0:39:59.920,0:40:02.700


0:39:59.930,0:40:04.319
until quite recently that was the

0:40:02.690,0:40:04.319


0:40:02.700,0:40:07.079
default position of most intelligent

0:40:04.309,0:40:07.079


0:40:04.319,0:40:09.089
people including mr. Jefferson who

0:40:07.069,0:40:09.089


0:40:07.079,0:40:12.509
despite his intermittent atheism my

0:40:09.079,0:40:12.509


0:40:09.089,0:40:15.109
judgment was a theist I'm so sorry it

0:40:12.499,0:40:15.109


0:40:12.509,0:40:18.779
was a deist was a deist he would debate

0:40:15.099,0:40:18.779


0:40:15.109,0:40:22.079
with among the many skills he had was a

0:40:18.769,0:40:22.079


0:40:18.779,0:40:22.980
very advanced level of paleontology he

0:40:22.069,0:40:22.980


0:40:22.079,0:40:24.539
would debate with the greatest

0:40:22.970,0:40:24.539


0:40:22.980,0:40:27.660
paleontologists of his time the Cantor

0:40:24.529,0:40:27.660


0:40:24.539,0:40:30.660
before how how comes it how can it be

0:40:27.650,0:40:30.660


0:40:27.660,0:40:32.609
that we find seashells so high on the

0:40:30.650,0:40:32.609


0:40:30.660,0:40:35.190
mountains of Virginia how can this be

0:40:32.599,0:40:35.190


0:40:32.609,0:40:36.839
not even the most intelligent people of

0:40:35.180,0:40:36.839


0:40:35.190,0:40:39.089
that day and it's very recent it's an

0:40:36.829,0:40:39.089


0:40:36.839,0:40:41.009
instant in historical time had any idea

0:40:39.079,0:40:41.009


0:40:39.089,0:40:43.950
how that could be there isn't anyone in

0:40:40.999,0:40:43.950


0:40:41.009,0:40:47.240
this room who wasn't educated and

0:40:43.940,0:40:47.240


0:40:43.950,0:40:50.220
brought up knowing exactly how that is

0:40:47.230,0:40:50.220


0:40:47.240,0:40:51.990
it's just a shame that Jefferson and

0:40:50.210,0:40:51.990


0:40:50.220,0:40:54.480
many other intelligent and humane and

0:40:51.980,0:40:54.480


0:40:51.990,0:40:57.599
will education literate people just

0:40:54.470,0:40:57.599


0:40:54.480,0:41:00.420
couldn't see that far he wasn't to know

0:40:57.589,0:41:00.420


0:40:57.599,0:41:02.940
though Darwin was born in his day on the

0:41:00.410,0:41:02.940


0:41:00.420,0:41:04.529
same day actually in 1809 as Abraham

0:41:02.930,0:41:04.529


0:41:02.940,0:41:06.240
Lincoln the very same day the two great

0:41:04.519,0:41:06.240


0:41:04.529,0:41:08.609
emancipator's Darwin being in my

0:41:06.230,0:41:08.609


0:41:06.240,0:41:11.099
judgment the greater of the two now we

0:41:08.599,0:41:11.099


0:41:08.609,0:41:14.119
know we know this proposition to be true

0:41:11.089,0:41:14.119


0:41:11.099,0:41:16.230
the proposition that was ridiculed so so

0:41:14.109,0:41:16.230


0:41:14.119,0:41:20.069
pathetically I have to say I thought by

0:41:16.220,0:41:20.069


0:41:16.230,0:41:21.790
dr. Tory there is no explanation for the

0:41:20.059,0:41:21.790


0:41:20.069,0:41:24.010
origins of our species

0:41:21.780,0:41:24.010


0:41:21.790,0:41:26.170
for the origins of our cosmos for the

0:41:24.000,0:41:26.170


0:41:24.010,0:41:30.100
origins of our globe itself there is not

0:41:26.160,0:41:30.100


0:41:26.170,0:41:33.730
one explanation left which requires the

0:41:30.090,0:41:33.730


0:41:30.100,0:41:36.700
existence of a deus ex machina in every

0:41:33.720,0:41:36.700


0:41:33.730,0:41:40.510
case we have a better or sufficient

0:41:36.690,0:41:40.510


0:41:36.700,0:41:42.160
explanation I think that assertion of

0:41:40.500,0:41:42.160


0:41:40.510,0:41:43.920
mine will stand any challenge this

0:41:42.150,0:41:43.920


0:41:42.160,0:41:47.800
evening I'm looking forward to hearing

0:41:43.910,0:41:47.800


0:41:43.920,0:41:49.870
some more of them of course jawan used

0:41:47.790,0:41:49.870


0:41:47.800,0:41:54.160
creationist images he actually set out

0:41:49.860,0:41:54.160


0:41:49.870,0:41:56.620
to vindicate Paley's theology thought he

0:41:54.150,0:41:56.620


0:41:54.160,0:42:00.360
could do it by his study taxonomical

0:41:56.610,0:42:00.360


0:41:56.620,0:42:03.520
study of nature Einstein we have used

0:42:00.350,0:42:03.520


0:42:00.360,0:42:04.900
God images when he spoke of the

0:42:03.510,0:42:04.900


0:42:03.520,0:42:07.510
extraordinary majesty

0:42:04.890,0:42:07.510


0:42:04.900,0:42:09.430
of the cosmos it's it's it's in us it's

0:42:07.500,0:42:09.430


0:42:07.510,0:42:12.070
in our vocabulary it's hardwired in us

0:42:09.420,0:42:12.070


0:42:09.430,0:42:17.440
you might almost say to use images of

0:42:12.060,0:42:17.440


0:42:12.070,0:42:18.430
all inspiring godly modes Archean you

0:42:17.430,0:42:18.430


0:42:17.440,0:42:20.470
might you might say or even

0:42:18.420,0:42:20.470


0:42:18.430,0:42:22.180
Shakespearean images when talking about

0:42:20.460,0:42:22.180


0:42:20.470,0:42:24.370
these things but when we come down to

0:42:22.170,0:42:24.370


0:42:22.180,0:42:27.880
the actual analysis of them we find that

0:42:24.360,0:42:27.880


0:42:24.370,0:42:29.230
we don't need the prime mover at all and

0:42:27.870,0:42:29.230


0:42:27.880,0:42:30.790
that most of the prime mover

0:42:29.220,0:42:30.790


0:42:29.230,0:42:34.990
explanations if not all of them have

0:42:30.780,0:42:34.990


0:42:30.790,0:42:38.800
been positively misleading so that the

0:42:34.980,0:42:38.800


0:42:34.990,0:42:40.480
deist may propose a designer and I may

0:42:38.790,0:42:40.480


0:42:38.800,0:42:42.130
not be able to show you convincing you

0:42:40.470,0:42:42.130


0:42:40.480,0:42:44.800
that there could be no such person

0:42:42.120,0:42:44.800


0:42:42.130,0:42:47.260
but the theist has all their works still

0:42:44.790,0:42:47.260


0:42:44.800,0:42:49.570
ahead of them from this designer how do

0:42:47.250,0:42:49.570


0:42:47.260,0:42:51.030
we get to the designer who answers

0:42:49.560,0:42:51.030


0:42:49.570,0:42:53.890
prayers

0:42:51.020,0:42:53.890


0:42:51.030,0:42:56.020
did you hear a thing I mean just as

0:42:53.880,0:42:56.020


0:42:53.890,0:42:58.510
phrase even an implication even a

0:42:56.010,0:42:58.510


0:42:56.020,0:43:00.610
suggestion from anything my opponent

0:42:58.500,0:43:00.610


0:42:58.510,0:43:04.360
said that you could by I know him from

0:43:00.600,0:43:04.360


0:43:00.610,0:43:05.800
design proven answered prayers or prove

0:43:04.350,0:43:05.800


0:43:04.360,0:43:09.160
that someone born of a virgin was

0:43:05.790,0:43:09.160


0:43:05.800,0:43:11.460
therefore the son of a god or could

0:43:09.150,0:43:11.460


0:43:09.160,0:43:15.210
prove that resurrections occur and that

0:43:11.450,0:43:15.210


0:43:11.460,0:43:18.550
by people being tortured to death

0:43:15.200,0:43:18.550


0:43:15.210,0:43:21.940
thousands of years ago we are now

0:43:18.540,0:43:21.940


0:43:18.550,0:43:25.600
redeemed that we are variously forgiven

0:43:21.930,0:43:25.600


0:43:21.940,0:43:28.810
our own offenses by human sacrifice how

0:43:25.590,0:43:28.810


0:43:25.600,0:43:32.970
does deism help you to that it doesn't

0:43:28.800,0:43:32.970


0:43:28.810,0:43:34.380
it quite simply doesn't and can not

0:43:32.960,0:43:34.380


0:43:32.970,0:43:37.140
the attempt to build from one to the

0:43:34.370,0:43:37.140


0:43:34.380,0:43:40.800
other is a conjuring trick of a very

0:43:37.130,0:43:40.800


0:43:37.140,0:43:42.420
vulgar I think kind we live in the

0:43:40.790,0:43:42.420


0:43:40.800,0:43:43.890
childhood of our species so when Stephen

0:43:42.410,0:43:43.890


0:43:42.420,0:43:46.050
Hawking says that if we could understand

0:43:43.880,0:43:46.050


0:43:43.890,0:43:48.270
the event horizon that surrounds the

0:43:46.040,0:43:48.270


0:43:46.050,0:43:51.270
black hole we would in some sense know

0:43:48.260,0:43:51.270


0:43:48.270,0:43:52.950
the mind of God he proves that our

0:43:51.260,0:43:52.950


0:43:51.270,0:43:56.369
vocabulary is still that of our infancy

0:43:52.940,0:43:56.369


0:43:52.950,0:43:59.579
he makes no concession to the idea of a

0:43:56.359,0:43:59.579


0:43:56.369,0:44:02.069
theist or theocratic dispensation I

0:43:59.569,0:44:02.069


0:43:59.579,0:44:07.440
better ask now harm doing for time good

0:44:02.059,0:44:07.440


0:44:02.069,0:44:09.119
not sure I'm going to need all that but

0:44:07.430,0:44:09.119


0:44:07.440,0:44:11.609
I'd like to try and reply and fight on

0:44:09.109,0:44:11.609


0:44:09.119,0:44:13.920
my feet when I can't and I made some

0:44:11.599,0:44:13.920


0:44:11.609,0:44:15.240
notes about about what dr. Turek had

0:44:13.910,0:44:15.240


0:44:13.920,0:44:18.530
said and I feel that they were

0:44:15.230,0:44:18.530


0:44:15.240,0:44:23.730
challenges to me that I would be ignoble

0:44:18.520,0:44:23.730


0:44:18.530,0:44:25.109
if I didn't respond to the first and I

0:44:23.720,0:44:25.109


0:44:23.730,0:44:27.300
thought the most frankly the most

0:44:25.099,0:44:27.300


0:44:25.109,0:44:28.800
egregious was this I find it

0:44:27.290,0:44:28.800


0:44:27.300,0:44:31.910
extraordinary that it can be said on a

0:44:28.790,0:44:31.910


0:44:28.800,0:44:36.690
university campus in this year of grace

0:44:31.900,0:44:36.690


0:44:31.910,0:44:41.430
but that without God humans are capable

0:44:36.680,0:44:41.430


0:44:36.690,0:44:44.160
of doing anything that there is no moral

0:44:41.420,0:44:44.160


0:44:41.430,0:44:46.410
restraint upon us if we don't concur in

0:44:44.150,0:44:46.410


0:44:44.160,0:44:51.270
the idea that we are the property and

0:44:46.400,0:44:51.270


0:44:46.410,0:44:52.980
creation of a Supreme Being I am making

0:44:51.260,0:44:52.980


0:44:51.270,0:44:55.380
the assumption that all of you check in

0:44:52.970,0:44:55.380


0:44:52.980,0:44:57.359
every now and then with some kind of

0:44:55.370,0:44:57.359


0:44:55.380,0:44:59.369
news outlet and have a view of what's

0:44:57.349,0:44:59.369


0:44:57.359,0:45:02.579
going on the rest of the world isn't it

0:44:59.359,0:45:02.579


0:44:59.369,0:45:05.849
as plain as could be that those who

0:45:02.569,0:45:05.849


0:45:02.579,0:45:08.640
commit the most callous the most cruel

0:45:05.839,0:45:08.640


0:45:05.849,0:45:11.130
the most brutal the most indiscriminate

0:45:08.630,0:45:11.130


0:45:08.640,0:45:13.050
atrocities of all do so precisely

0:45:11.120,0:45:13.050


0:45:11.130,0:45:16.109
because they believe they have divine

0:45:13.040,0:45:16.109


0:45:13.050,0:45:19.349
permission shall I answer my own

0:45:16.099,0:45:19.349


0:45:16.109,0:45:21.450
question should i insult you by adding

0:45:19.339,0:45:21.450


0:45:19.349,0:45:23.220
more who can't think of an example of

0:45:21.440,0:45:23.220


0:45:21.450,0:45:26.700
this kind let me put the question in

0:45:23.210,0:45:26.700


0:45:23.220,0:45:29.670
another form that I've put in now every

0:45:26.690,0:45:29.670


0:45:26.700,0:45:31.560
forum from YouTube to c-span to the

0:45:29.660,0:45:31.560


0:45:29.670,0:45:34.560
wireless to the print to the radio to

0:45:31.550,0:45:34.560


0:45:31.560,0:45:36.660
the television and it numeral forums to

0:45:34.550,0:45:36.660


0:45:34.560,0:45:38.970
those who say that without God that can

0:45:36.650,0:45:38.970


0:45:36.660,0:45:41.970
be no morality you are to ask yourself

0:45:38.960,0:45:41.970


0:45:38.970,0:45:45.390
two questions you were to name a moral

0:45:41.960,0:45:45.390


0:45:41.970,0:45:47.400
action not to take it

0:45:45.380,0:45:47.400


0:45:45.390,0:45:51.809
or a moral and ethical statement made by

0:45:47.390,0:45:51.809


0:45:47.400,0:45:55.410
believer by daresay you can do it you

0:45:51.799,0:45:55.410


0:45:51.809,0:45:57.710
were then to say that you can not

0:45:55.400,0:45:57.710


0:45:55.410,0:45:59.640
imagine a non-believer

0:45:57.700,0:45:59.640


0:45:57.710,0:46:02.130
making this moral statement or

0:45:59.630,0:46:02.130


0:45:59.640,0:46:04.079
undertaking this moral action can you

0:46:02.120,0:46:04.079


0:46:02.130,0:46:05.640
think can you now think can any of you

0:46:04.069,0:46:05.640


0:46:04.079,0:46:07.829
think you have don't have to answer now

0:46:05.630,0:46:07.829


0:46:05.640,0:46:10.440
you have all night and and you have my

0:46:07.819,0:46:10.440


0:46:07.829,0:46:12.019
email and I've done this with everyone

0:46:10.430,0:46:12.019


0:46:10.440,0:46:17.549
from the Archbishop of Canterbury to

0:46:12.009,0:46:17.549


0:46:12.019,0:46:19.619
even lower people you name me the

0:46:17.539,0:46:19.619


0:46:17.549,0:46:20.819
ethical and moral actual statement that

0:46:19.609,0:46:20.819


0:46:19.619,0:46:22.890
a believer can make in an unbeliever

0:46:20.809,0:46:22.890


0:46:20.819,0:46:25.589
cannot that there's a price and I'll

0:46:22.880,0:46:25.589


0:46:22.890,0:46:26.339
tell you that about it later now there's

0:46:25.579,0:46:26.339


0:46:25.589,0:46:29.700
a second question

0:46:26.329,0:46:29.700


0:46:26.339,0:46:32.599
think of something wicked that only a

0:46:29.690,0:46:32.599


0:46:29.700,0:46:34.470
believer would be likely to do or

0:46:32.589,0:46:34.470


0:46:32.599,0:46:35.700
something wicked that only a believer

0:46:34.460,0:46:35.700


0:46:34.470,0:46:38.519
would be likely to say you've already

0:46:35.690,0:46:38.519


0:46:35.700,0:46:41.130
thought of it the suicide bombing

0:46:38.509,0:46:41.130


0:46:38.519,0:46:43.559
community is entirely religious the

0:46:41.120,0:46:43.559


0:46:41.130,0:46:45.989
genital mutilation community is entirely

0:46:43.549,0:46:45.989


0:46:43.559,0:46:48.779
religious I wouldn't say that the child

0:46:45.979,0:46:48.779


0:46:45.989,0:46:50.609
abuse community is entirely religious I

0:46:48.769,0:46:50.609


0:46:48.779,0:46:53.309
wouldn't but it's bidding to be entirely

0:46:50.599,0:46:53.309


0:46:50.609,0:46:57.840
religious it operates on the old latin

0:46:53.299,0:46:57.840


0:46:53.309,0:47:01.300
slogan no childs behind left

0:46:57.830,0:47:01.300


0:46:57.840,0:47:03.580
how dare anybody how dare anyone who

0:47:01.290,0:47:03.580


0:47:01.300,0:47:04.900
speaks for religion a say of us the

0:47:03.570,0:47:04.900


0:47:03.580,0:47:06.940
secular and the non-believers that we

0:47:04.890,0:47:06.940


0:47:04.900,0:47:09.400
are the immoral ones it is itself a

0:47:06.930,0:47:09.400


0:47:06.940,0:47:12.910
wicked thing to say itself an absolutely

0:47:09.390,0:47:12.910


0:47:09.400,0:47:14.620
indefensible thing to say no the

0:47:12.900,0:47:14.620


0:47:12.910,0:47:15.910
decapitation on the bus is going to be

0:47:14.610,0:47:15.910


0:47:14.620,0:47:18.610
done by someone who thinks God is

0:47:15.900,0:47:18.610


0:47:15.910,0:47:20.170
telling him to do it Smerdyakov is

0:47:18.600,0:47:20.170


0:47:18.610,0:47:22.300
actually the stupidest character in

0:47:20.160,0:47:22.300


0:47:20.170,0:47:24.040
Dostoyevsky's novel he's the one who

0:47:22.290,0:47:24.040


0:47:22.300,0:47:25.870
makes this proposition everyone has to

0:47:24.030,0:47:25.870


0:47:24.040,0:47:27.940
understand everyone has to understand

0:47:25.860,0:47:27.940


0:47:25.870,0:47:29.500
that it is those who feel that the

0:47:27.930,0:47:29.500


0:47:27.940,0:47:31.240
divine is prompting them who feel

0:47:29.490,0:47:31.240


0:47:29.500,0:47:33.970
they're permitted anything and

0:47:31.230,0:47:33.970


0:47:31.240,0:47:37.270
everything and it is those who are the

0:47:33.960,0:47:37.270


0:47:33.970,0:47:39.730
leading most salient most violent most

0:47:37.260,0:47:39.730


0:47:37.270,0:47:41.890
vicious opponents of the values and

0:47:39.720,0:47:41.890


0:47:39.730,0:47:51.580
civilization that Thomas Jefferson stood

0:47:41.880,0:47:51.580


0:47:41.890,0:47:53.650
for and promulgated just on the question

0:47:51.570,0:47:53.650


0:47:51.580,0:47:55.870
of fine tuning I have a number of

0:47:53.640,0:47:55.870


0:47:53.650,0:47:59.920
reports we have to postpone some of the

0:47:55.860,0:47:59.920


0:47:55.870,0:48:03.420
the naturalistic questions for later

0:47:59.910,0:48:03.420


0:47:59.920,0:48:03.420
what I know they'll come up again

0:48:03.470,0:48:03.470


0:48:03.480,0:48:09.310
you mentioned Edwin Hubble and the way

0:48:06.660,0:48:09.310


0:48:06.670,0:48:10.810
that he saw the red light shift and saw

0:48:09.300,0:48:10.810


0:48:09.310,0:48:13.150
that the universe was not just expanding

0:48:10.800,0:48:13.150


0:48:10.810,0:48:14.800
but that the but expanding very fast

0:48:13.140,0:48:14.800


0:48:13.150,0:48:17.050
away from itself that the Big Bang had

0:48:14.790,0:48:17.050


0:48:14.800,0:48:18.940
not stopped Lawrence Krauss great

0:48:17.040,0:48:18.940


0:48:17.050,0:48:21.820
physicists probably the next Nobel Prize

0:48:18.930,0:48:21.820


0:48:18.940,0:48:24.100
winner if it has noticed that most

0:48:21.810,0:48:24.100


0:48:21.820,0:48:25.480
people's assumption was wrong that

0:48:24.090,0:48:25.480


0:48:24.100,0:48:28.360
though this expansion was taking place

0:48:25.470,0:48:28.360


0:48:25.480,0:48:30.100
it was thought the rate of speed of the

0:48:28.350,0:48:30.100


0:48:28.360,0:48:32.590
expansion must surely be declining

0:48:30.090,0:48:32.590


0:48:30.100,0:48:35.020
people still think in Newtonian terms in

0:48:32.580,0:48:35.020


0:48:32.590,0:48:36.970
this way no says Krauss he's pointed it

0:48:35.010,0:48:36.970


0:48:35.020,0:48:38.710
out and now it's agreed by all no the

0:48:36.960,0:48:38.710


0:48:36.970,0:48:41.200
Hubble rate of red light shift is

0:48:38.700,0:48:41.200


0:48:38.710,0:48:44.200
increasing the universe is dissipating

0:48:41.190,0:48:44.200


0:48:41.200,0:48:47.590
itself at high speed and the speed is

0:48:44.190,0:48:47.590


0:48:44.200,0:48:49.680
getting greater what does this mean well

0:48:47.580,0:48:49.680


0:48:47.590,0:48:52.000
it answers the question of why is there

0:48:49.670,0:48:52.000


0:48:49.680,0:48:54.640
something instead of nothing because now

0:48:51.990,0:48:54.640


0:48:52.000,0:48:56.530
we have something we're all here because

0:48:54.630,0:48:56.530


0:48:54.640,0:49:00.640
there's something and nothing is coming

0:48:56.520,0:49:00.640


0:48:56.530,0:49:01.780
right for us very soon the physicist

0:49:00.630,0:49:01.780


0:49:00.640,0:49:04.180
wouldn't be able to tell the Big Bang

0:49:01.770,0:49:04.180


0:49:01.780,0:49:06.160
had ever taken place so far sprung apart

0:49:04.170,0:49:06.160


0:49:04.180,0:49:08.380
will the whole system be and meanwhile

0:49:06.150,0:49:08.380


0:49:06.160,0:49:11.200
look in the sky at night and you can see

0:49:08.370,0:49:11.200


0:49:08.380,0:49:13.540
the Andromeda galaxy headed straight for

0:49:11.190,0:49:13.540


0:49:11.200,0:49:16.210
on a direct collision course who

0:49:13.530,0:49:16.210


0:49:13.540,0:49:18.010
designed that who made it certain that

0:49:16.200,0:49:18.010


0:49:16.210,0:49:20.319
every other planet in our solar system

0:49:18.000,0:49:20.319


0:49:18.010,0:49:22.839
is either too hot or too cold to support

0:49:20.309,0:49:22.839


0:49:20.319,0:49:25.809
life as is most of our own planet and

0:49:22.829,0:49:25.809


0:49:22.839,0:49:28.569
that in just one tiny irrelevant solar

0:49:25.799,0:49:28.569


0:49:25.809,0:49:31.750
system already condemned to heat death

0:49:28.559,0:49:31.750


0:49:28.569,0:49:34.740
and implosion some design wouldn't you

0:49:31.740,0:49:34.740


0:49:31.750,0:49:37.150
say but these are just the poll Turing

0:49:34.730,0:49:37.150


0:49:34.740,0:49:38.950
minor objections that I have to the

0:49:37.140,0:49:38.950


0:49:37.150,0:49:42.490
theistic worldview the main one is the

0:49:38.940,0:49:42.490


0:49:38.950,0:49:44.200
one with which I began religion fears

0:49:42.480,0:49:44.200


0:49:42.490,0:49:46.960
I'm not dear some fearsome and I

0:49:44.190,0:49:46.960


0:49:44.200,0:49:49.059
underline theism says that all our

0:49:46.950,0:49:49.059


0:49:46.960,0:49:50.920
manifold problems what is the good how

0:49:49.049,0:49:50.920


0:49:49.059,0:49:53.280
shall we live it how shall we know it

0:49:50.910,0:49:53.280


0:49:50.920,0:49:55.450
how to explain suffering how to how to

0:49:53.270,0:49:55.450


0:49:53.280,0:49:58.270
confront the possibility of our own

0:49:55.440,0:49:58.270


0:49:55.450,0:50:02.230
perhaps molecular irrelevance all these

0:49:58.260,0:50:02.230


0:49:58.270,0:50:04.900
questions that must disturb and detain

0:50:02.220,0:50:04.900


0:50:02.230,0:50:08.049
us all can be solved by referring them

0:50:04.890,0:50:08.049


0:50:04.900,0:50:10.359
upward to a totalitarian judgment to an

0:50:08.039,0:50:10.359


0:50:08.049,0:50:12.130
absolutist monarchy the other thing that

0:50:10.349,0:50:12.130


0:50:10.359,0:50:16.030
the Virginia statute on religious

0:50:12.120,0:50:16.030


0:50:12.130,0:50:21.990
freedom was supposed to rebut repudiated

0:50:16.020,0:50:21.990


0:50:16.030,0:50:21.990
disown it yes I promise you those things

0:50:22.010,0:50:22.010


0:50:22.020,0:50:24.819
there is no totalitarian solution to

0:50:24.329,0:50:24.819


0:50:24.339,0:50:29.290
these problems

0:50:24.809,0:50:29.290


0:50:24.819,0:50:32.530
there is no Big Brother in the sky it is

0:50:29.280,0:50:32.530


0:50:29.290,0:50:36.700
a horrible idea that there is somebody

0:50:32.520,0:50:36.700


0:50:32.530,0:50:40.059
who owns us who makes us who supervises

0:50:36.690,0:50:40.059


0:50:36.700,0:50:42.069
us waking and sleeping who knows our

0:50:40.049,0:50:42.069


0:50:40.059,0:50:48.069
thoughts who can convict us of thought

0:50:42.059,0:50:48.069


0:50:42.069,0:50:51.280
crime who can just for what we think who

0:50:48.059,0:50:51.280


0:50:48.069,0:50:53.710
can judge us while we sleep for things

0:50:51.270,0:50:53.710


0:50:51.280,0:50:56.799
that might occur to us in our dreams who

0:50:53.700,0:50:56.799


0:50:53.710,0:50:59.500
can create us sick as apparently we are

0:50:56.789,0:50:59.500


0:50:56.799,0:51:03.250
and then order us on pain of eternal

0:50:59.490,0:51:03.250


0:50:59.500,0:51:05.470
torture to be well again to demand this

0:51:03.240,0:51:05.470


0:51:03.250,0:51:10.930
to wish this to be true is to wish to

0:51:05.460,0:51:10.930


0:51:05.470,0:51:13.260
live as an abject slave it is a

0:51:10.920,0:51:13.260


0:51:10.930,0:51:15.700
wonderful thing it is a wonderful thing

0:51:13.250,0:51:15.700


0:51:13.260,0:51:17.740
in my submission that we now have enough

0:51:15.690,0:51:17.740


0:51:15.700,0:51:20.020
information enough intelligence and I

0:51:17.730,0:51:20.020


0:51:17.740,0:51:22.990
hope enough intellectual and moral

0:51:20.010,0:51:22.990


0:51:20.020,0:51:24.350
courage to say that this ghastly

0:51:22.980,0:51:24.350


0:51:22.990,0:51:27.620
proposition

0:51:24.340,0:51:27.620


0:51:24.350,0:51:30.590
is founded on a lie and to celebrate

0:51:27.610,0:51:30.590


0:51:27.620,0:51:33.550
that fact and I invite you to join me in

0:51:30.580,0:51:33.550


0:51:30.590,0:51:33.550
doing so thank you

0:51:49.740,0:51:49.740


0:51:49.750,0:51:56.110
Thank You mr. Hitchens we now have five

0:51:52.180,0:51:56.110


0:51:52.190,0:51:56.110
minutes of rebuttal from dr. Turek

0:52:00.540,0:52:00.540


0:52:00.550,0:52:05.300
fairness to Christopher that statement

0:52:03.760,0:52:05.300


0:52:03.770,0:52:07.430
obviously was his opening statement was

0:52:05.290,0:52:07.430


0:52:05.300,0:52:10.280
not meant to rebut my statement but now

0:52:07.420,0:52:10.280


0:52:07.430,0:52:11.510
my statement is to rebut his and I want

0:52:10.270,0:52:11.510


0:52:10.280,0:52:13.190
to point out that most of what

0:52:11.500,0:52:13.190


0:52:11.510,0:52:15.260
Christopher just said there is pretty

0:52:13.180,0:52:15.260


0:52:13.190,0:52:18.020
much complaints about religion and

0:52:15.250,0:52:18.020


0:52:15.260,0:52:21.130
religious people and has no impact on

0:52:18.010,0:52:21.130


0:52:18.020,0:52:23.180
whether or not God exists

0:52:21.120,0:52:23.180


0:52:21.130,0:52:25.280
religious people can be the worst people

0:52:23.170,0:52:25.280


0:52:23.180,0:52:29.060
that ever lived that says nothing about

0:52:25.270,0:52:29.060


0:52:25.280,0:52:30.950
whether or not God exists people can do

0:52:29.050,0:52:30.950


0:52:29.060,0:52:32.690
evil that doesn't mean the parents don't

0:52:30.940,0:52:32.690


0:52:30.950,0:52:34.580
exist children can do evil doesn't mean

0:52:32.680,0:52:34.580


0:52:32.690,0:52:35.480
the parents don't exist my kids do evil

0:52:34.570,0:52:35.480


0:52:34.580,0:52:37.520
but I'm still here

0:52:35.470,0:52:37.520


0:52:35.480,0:52:39.140
I do evil my dad's still here in fact

0:52:37.510,0:52:39.140


0:52:37.520,0:52:41.240
he's sitting right there what does that

0:52:39.130,0:52:41.240


0:52:39.140,0:52:42.260
prove about whether or not God exists

0:52:41.230,0:52:42.260


0:52:41.240,0:52:43.940
let me try and go down some of the

0:52:42.250,0:52:43.940


0:52:42.260,0:52:46.190
things Christopher said yes I am an

0:52:43.930,0:52:46.190


0:52:43.940,0:52:48.790
atheist when it comes to Zeus but Zeus

0:52:46.180,0:52:48.790


0:52:46.190,0:52:52.250
is not spaceless timeless immaterial

0:52:48.780,0:52:52.250


0:52:48.790,0:52:55.520
powerful moral personal intelligent

0:52:52.240,0:52:55.520


0:52:52.250,0:52:56.960
creator that I hopefully at least I

0:52:55.510,0:52:56.960


0:52:55.520,0:52:58.370
thought I gave evidence for and maybe

0:52:56.950,0:52:58.370


0:52:56.960,0:53:01.310
Christopher will come back to my

0:52:58.360,0:53:01.310


0:52:58.370,0:53:02.300
statements on that later I don't believe

0:53:01.300,0:53:02.300


0:53:01.310,0:53:03.650
in Zeus because I don't think there's

0:53:02.290,0:53:03.650


0:53:02.300,0:53:06.820
any evidence for Zeus but I think

0:53:03.640,0:53:06.820


0:53:03.650,0:53:10.100
there's evidence for the theistic God

0:53:06.810,0:53:10.100


0:53:06.820,0:53:11.480
deism I didn't make the direct shift to

0:53:10.090,0:53:11.480


0:53:10.100,0:53:12.110
theism I probably should have been more

0:53:11.470,0:53:12.110


0:53:11.480,0:53:14.120
explicit

0:53:12.100,0:53:14.120


0:53:12.110,0:53:16.340
I think it's obvious there's a theistic

0:53:14.110,0:53:16.340


0:53:14.120,0:53:18.710
God because life came several billion

0:53:16.330,0:53:18.710


0:53:16.340,0:53:20.390
years after the creation that is not a

0:53:18.700,0:53:20.390


0:53:18.710,0:53:22.280
deistic concept that is a theistic

0:53:20.380,0:53:22.280


0:53:20.390,0:53:23.120
concept I didn't say anything about

0:53:22.270,0:53:23.120


0:53:22.280,0:53:24.830
Christianity

0:53:23.110,0:53:24.830


0:53:23.120,0:53:27.470
even though I am a Christian I don't

0:53:24.820,0:53:27.470


0:53:24.830,0:53:29.450
have time to defend Christianity here

0:53:27.460,0:53:29.450


0:53:27.470,0:53:31.220
I'd love to debate Christopher on the

0:53:29.440,0:53:31.220


0:53:29.450,0:53:33.530
issue of Christianity in the future and

0:53:31.210,0:53:33.530


0:53:31.220,0:53:34.790
I'll publicly offer that right now if he

0:53:33.520,0:53:34.790


0:53:33.530,0:53:36.440
wants to debate whether or not the New

0:53:34.780,0:53:36.440


0:53:34.790,0:53:38.570
Testament documents are reliable and

0:53:36.430,0:53:38.570


0:53:36.440,0:53:41.330
tell us really what happened about what

0:53:38.560,0:53:41.330


0:53:38.570,0:53:43.100
Jesus came and said and did I'd be happy

0:53:41.320,0:53:43.100


0:53:41.330,0:53:45.050
to do it but when I mentioned before I

0:53:43.090,0:53:45.050


0:53:43.100,0:53:46.700
have a couple arguments in on the bench

0:53:45.040,0:53:46.700


0:53:45.050,0:53:47.660
I've got almost a full baseball team of

0:53:46.690,0:53:47.660


0:53:46.700,0:53:49.190
arguments here I've got a couple

0:53:47.650,0:53:49.190


0:53:47.660,0:53:51.020
arguments on the bench it's the

0:53:49.180,0:53:51.020


0:53:49.190,0:53:53.000
resurrection is one of them and I don't

0:53:51.010,0:53:53.000


0:53:51.020,0:53:55.250
have time to get to that here so I'm not

0:53:52.990,0:53:55.250


0:53:53.000,0:53:57.170
backing up the Christian God here I'm

0:53:55.240,0:53:57.170


0:53:55.250,0:53:58.670
backing up a theistic God even though

0:53:57.160,0:53:58.670


0:53:57.170,0:54:00.190
personally I do believe in a Christian

0:53:58.660,0:54:00.190


0:53:58.670,0:54:02.570
God

0:54:00.180,0:54:02.570


0:54:00.190,0:54:08.750
he claimed Darwin was the greater man

0:54:02.560,0:54:08.750


0:54:02.570,0:54:12.710
dissipater and that he went on to talk

0:54:08.740,0:54:12.710


0:54:08.750,0:54:15.830
about atrocities and i think he again

0:54:12.700,0:54:15.830


0:54:12.710,0:54:17.450
missed my point as I said before I'm not

0:54:15.820,0:54:17.450


0:54:15.830,0:54:18.950
saying atheists can't be moral

0:54:17.440,0:54:18.950


0:54:17.450,0:54:21.170
Christopher what he says in his book

0:54:18.940,0:54:21.170


0:54:18.950,0:54:23.000
again much of it is true religious

0:54:21.160,0:54:23.000


0:54:21.170,0:54:24.380
people have done awful things in fact

0:54:22.990,0:54:24.380


0:54:23.000,0:54:26.210
Christianity predicts we'll be

0:54:24.370,0:54:26.210


0:54:24.380,0:54:28.370
hypocrites that's what the church is

0:54:26.200,0:54:28.370


0:54:26.210,0:54:29.420
it's full of hypocrites whenever

0:54:28.360,0:54:29.420


0:54:28.370,0:54:30.680
somebody says I don't want to go to

0:54:29.410,0:54:30.680


0:54:29.420,0:54:32.720
church there's too many hypocrites down

0:54:30.670,0:54:32.720


0:54:30.680,0:54:34.730
there I always say come on down pal we

0:54:32.710,0:54:34.730


0:54:32.720,0:54:36.860
got room for one more that's what the

0:54:34.720,0:54:36.860


0:54:34.730,0:54:38.510
church is we're all fallen we're all

0:54:36.850,0:54:38.510


0:54:36.860,0:54:40.640
sinners that's why we need a Savior

0:54:38.500,0:54:40.640


0:54:38.510,0:54:43.220
because we can't do it and Christopher

0:54:40.630,0:54:43.220


0:54:40.640,0:54:44.960
said well how can you command somebody

0:54:43.210,0:54:44.960


0:54:43.220,0:54:47.150
to be well when they have no capacity to

0:54:44.950,0:54:47.150


0:54:44.960,0:54:48.710
be well well we were well in the

0:54:47.140,0:54:48.710


0:54:47.150,0:54:50.390
beginning and I'm going into Christian

0:54:48.700,0:54:50.390


0:54:48.710,0:54:52.310
theology here I understand I'll just try

0:54:50.380,0:54:52.310


0:54:50.390,0:54:55.640
and answer the point we were well in the

0:54:52.300,0:54:55.640


0:54:52.310,0:54:57.770
beginning but then we messed up and so

0:54:55.630,0:54:57.770


0:54:55.640,0:55:00.470
God the Great Physician came back to

0:54:57.760,0:55:00.470


0:54:57.770,0:55:01.730
save us that's Christian theology as

0:55:00.460,0:55:01.730


0:55:00.470,0:55:02.870
again I don't have time to support it

0:55:01.720,0:55:02.870


0:55:01.730,0:55:05.330
I'm just pointing out that is the

0:55:02.860,0:55:05.330


0:55:02.870,0:55:07.250
theology now Christopher talked about

0:55:05.320,0:55:07.250


0:55:05.330,0:55:08.990
atrocities but again on the atheistic

0:55:07.240,0:55:08.990


0:55:07.250,0:55:11.330
worldview here's the main point how do

0:55:08.980,0:55:11.330


0:55:08.990,0:55:13.160
you define what an atrocity is who

0:55:11.320,0:55:13.160


0:55:11.330,0:55:15.640
defines it who has the authority to find

0:55:13.150,0:55:15.640


0:55:13.160,0:55:19.100
what atrocity is the carbon atom the

0:55:15.630,0:55:19.100


0:55:15.640,0:55:20.900
benzene molecule I'm not saying you have

0:55:19.090,0:55:20.900


0:55:19.100,0:55:23.030
to believe in God to be moral I'm not

0:55:20.890,0:55:23.030


0:55:20.900,0:55:24.890
saying that only religious people are

0:55:23.020,0:55:24.890


0:55:23.030,0:55:26.810
moral I'm not saying atheist can't be

0:55:24.880,0:55:26.810


0:55:24.890,0:55:29.600
moral I'm not saying atheists don't know

0:55:26.800,0:55:29.600


0:55:26.810,0:55:31.640
morality I'm saying there's no way to

0:55:29.590,0:55:31.640


0:55:29.600,0:55:34.100
justify what is right and what is wrong

0:55:31.630,0:55:34.100


0:55:31.640,0:55:36.740
unless there's some Authority that

0:55:34.090,0:55:36.740


0:55:34.100,0:55:38.300
provides it what is the authority in a

0:55:36.730,0:55:38.300


0:55:36.740,0:55:40.700
materialistic worldview there is no

0:55:38.290,0:55:40.700


0:55:38.300,0:55:43.100
authority the carbon atom has no moral

0:55:40.690,0:55:43.100


0:55:40.700,0:55:45.260
authority over you and it seems that

0:55:43.090,0:55:45.260


0:55:43.100,0:55:48.260
Christopher goes on and on about how he

0:55:45.250,0:55:48.260


0:55:45.260,0:55:50.750
does not want to be under any some kind

0:55:48.250,0:55:50.750


0:55:48.260,0:55:55.250
of divine totalitarianism that is a

0:55:50.740,0:55:55.250


0:55:50.750,0:55:57.130
moral rejection of God where does he

0:55:55.240,0:55:57.130


0:55:55.250,0:55:59.810
come up with this immoral

0:55:57.120,0:55:59.810


0:55:57.130,0:56:02.390
totalitarianism his worldview does not

0:55:59.800,0:56:02.390


0:55:59.810,0:56:04.580
afford immorality because his worldview

0:56:02.380,0:56:04.580


0:56:02.390,0:56:06.620
does not afford morality he has to

0:56:04.570,0:56:06.620


0:56:04.580,0:56:09.470
borrow from the Christian worldview in

0:56:06.610,0:56:09.470


0:56:06.620,0:56:13.309
order to argue against it in fact he has

0:56:09.460,0:56:13.309


0:56:09.470,0:56:16.079
to sit in God's lap to slap his face

0:56:13.299,0:56:16.079


0:56:13.309,0:56:17.640
where does he get morality from where

0:56:16.069,0:56:17.640


0:56:16.079,0:56:19.319
does he get reason from where does he

0:56:17.630,0:56:19.319


0:56:17.640,0:56:21.000
get mathematics from where does he get

0:56:19.309,0:56:21.000


0:56:19.319,0:56:22.890
consciousness from where does the

0:56:20.990,0:56:22.890


0:56:21.000,0:56:24.329
universe he said there are explanations

0:56:22.880,0:56:24.329


0:56:22.890,0:56:27.290
for where the universe came from

0:56:24.319,0:56:27.290


0:56:24.329,0:56:31.859
atheistic I'd love to hear them I

0:56:27.280,0:56:31.859


0:56:27.290,0:56:33.540
haven't heard one yet how does something

0:56:31.849,0:56:33.540


0:56:31.859,0:56:37.049
come from nothing with extreme

0:56:33.530,0:56:37.049


0:56:33.540,0:56:39.990
fine-tuning what is the explanation for

0:56:37.039,0:56:39.990


0:56:37.049,0:56:42.059
that he said there are arguments for the

0:56:39.980,0:56:42.059


0:56:39.990,0:56:44.190
beginning of life that are naturalistic

0:56:42.049,0:56:44.190


0:56:42.059,0:56:45.990
not according to the people who are

0:56:44.180,0:56:45.990


0:56:44.190,0:56:48.240
studying the matter how about Francis

0:56:45.980,0:56:48.240


0:56:45.990,0:56:50.190
Crick if I can find his quote here

0:56:48.230,0:56:50.190


0:56:48.240,0:56:51.960
Francis Crick said every time I write a

0:56:50.180,0:56:51.960


0:56:50.190,0:56:53.430
paper on the origin of life I swear I'll

0:56:51.950,0:56:53.430


0:56:51.960,0:56:55.200
never write another one because there's

0:56:53.420,0:56:55.200


0:56:53.430,0:56:59.160
too much speculation running after too

0:56:55.190,0:56:59.160


0:56:55.200,0:57:01.319
few facts Marc Kirschner of Harvard and

0:56:59.150,0:57:01.319


0:56:59.160,0:57:03.150
John Seager Hart of Berkeley said

0:57:01.309,0:57:03.150


0:57:01.319,0:57:05.160
everything about evolution before the

0:57:03.140,0:57:05.160


0:57:03.150,0:57:11.010
bacteria like life-forms is sheer

0:57:05.150,0:57:11.010


0:57:05.160,0:57:12.480
conjecture biochemists Klaus dose admits

0:57:11.000,0:57:12.480


0:57:11.010,0:57:14.400
that after more than 30 years of

0:57:12.470,0:57:14.400


0:57:12.480,0:57:17.040
research into the origin of life has led

0:57:14.390,0:57:17.040


0:57:14.400,0:57:18.660
to quote a better perception of the

0:57:17.030,0:57:18.660


0:57:17.040,0:57:20.400
immensity of the problem of the origin

0:57:18.650,0:57:20.400


0:57:18.660,0:57:22.559
of life on Earth rather than its

0:57:20.390,0:57:22.559


0:57:20.400,0:57:24.750
solution at present all discussions on

0:57:22.549,0:57:24.750


0:57:22.559,0:57:27.030
the principle theories and experiments

0:57:24.740,0:57:27.030


0:57:24.750,0:57:31.829
in the field either end in stalemate or

0:57:27.020,0:57:31.829


0:57:27.030,0:57:33.450
in confession of ignorance now I'm not

0:57:31.819,0:57:33.450


0:57:31.829,0:57:36.690
saying that this is a default position

0:57:33.440,0:57:36.690


0:57:33.450,0:57:39.000
that must be God I'm not saying that I

0:57:36.680,0:57:39.000


0:57:36.690,0:57:41.520
just lack a natural explanation for the

0:57:38.990,0:57:41.520


0:57:39.000,0:57:44.579
origin of life I'm saying that specified

0:57:41.510,0:57:44.579


0:57:41.520,0:57:46.799
complexity information the DNA structure

0:57:44.569,0:57:46.799


0:57:44.579,0:57:49.260
that we all have is evidence for an

0:57:46.789,0:57:49.260


0:57:46.799,0:57:53.130
intelligent being because information

0:57:49.250,0:57:53.130


0:57:49.260,0:57:56.220
only comes from Minds the laws of ink

0:57:53.120,0:57:56.220


0:57:53.130,0:57:56.790
and paper did not create is a God is not

0:57:56.210,0:57:56.790


0:57:56.220,0:57:59.220
great

0:57:56.780,0:57:59.220


0:57:56.790,0:58:01.920
there was a mind behind it that brought

0:57:59.210,0:58:01.920


0:57:59.220,0:58:05.190
it into existence and there's a mind

0:58:01.910,0:58:05.190


0:58:01.920,0:58:07.859
behind DNA what is the ACA theistic

0:58:05.180,0:58:07.859


0:58:05.190,0:58:11.220
explanation for DNA what is the

0:58:07.849,0:58:11.220


0:58:07.859,0:58:15.299
atheistic explanation for information

0:58:11.210,0:58:15.299


0:58:11.220,0:58:17.549
what is the ACA theistic information for

0:58:15.289,0:58:17.549


0:58:15.299,0:58:20.580
all of these nine things I mentioned how

0:58:17.539,0:58:20.580


0:58:17.549,0:58:26.630
much time glad I have not

0:58:20.570,0:58:26.630


0:58:20.580,0:58:26.630
survey says sit down yes sir

0:58:34.150,0:58:34.150


0:58:34.160,0:58:39.210
well I think I'll just invite dr. Tori

0:58:37.580,0:58:39.210


0:58:37.590,0:58:41.760
to do the following and make available

0:58:39.200,0:58:41.760


0:58:39.210,0:58:44.490
to us in on a sheet of paper which

0:58:41.750,0:58:44.490


0:58:41.760,0:58:46.670
actually has the thesaurus of quotations

0:58:44.480,0:58:46.670


0:58:44.490,0:58:49.050
that he's found from this and that

0:58:46.660,0:58:49.050


0:58:46.670,0:58:50.340
scientists and physicists and Natural

0:58:49.040,0:58:50.340


0:58:49.050,0:58:52.050
Sciences and so forth and you will find

0:58:50.330,0:58:52.050


0:58:50.340,0:58:54.240
when you read them when you look at them

0:58:52.040,0:58:54.240


0:58:52.050,0:58:56.670
I was writing them down as you went

0:58:54.230,0:58:56.670


0:58:54.240,0:58:59.280
through them all of these are statements

0:58:56.660,0:58:59.280


0:58:56.670,0:59:01.980
of uncertainty all of them they're

0:58:59.270,0:59:01.980


0:58:59.280,0:59:04.500
statements of all we know is how little

0:59:01.970,0:59:04.500


0:59:01.980,0:59:06.720
we know that's been for many years my

0:59:04.490,0:59:06.720


0:59:04.500,0:59:07.980
definition of an educated person someone

0:59:06.710,0:59:07.980


0:59:06.720,0:59:11.460
who knows enough to know how ignorant

0:59:07.970,0:59:11.460


0:59:07.980,0:59:13.170
they are it's actually is the only it's

0:59:11.450,0:59:13.170


0:59:11.460,0:59:14.670
not my own original definition it comes

0:59:13.160,0:59:14.670


0:59:13.170,0:59:17.700
from the Greek but it's the only

0:59:14.660,0:59:17.700


0:59:14.670,0:59:21.450
definition that works and no one working

0:59:17.690,0:59:21.450


0:59:17.700,0:59:24.840
at toiling in the field of science could

0:59:21.440,0:59:24.840


0:59:21.450,0:59:26.850
it possibly say anything less or more of

0:59:24.830,0:59:26.850


0:59:24.840,0:59:29.160
themselves especially at a time like

0:59:26.840,0:59:29.160


0:59:26.850,0:59:31.950
this but there you have it right away

0:59:29.150,0:59:31.950


0:59:29.160,0:59:34.230
the theistic and the deistic explanation

0:59:31.940,0:59:34.230


0:59:31.950,0:59:37.260
has to be based on a certainty that

0:59:34.220,0:59:37.260


0:59:34.230,0:59:39.990
there is a supervising and if you want

0:59:37.250,0:59:39.990


0:59:37.260,0:59:43.680
to be a theist a caring and intervening

0:59:39.980,0:59:43.680


0:59:39.990,0:59:46.440
creator who manages these matters and

0:59:43.670,0:59:46.440


0:59:43.680,0:59:49.410
there hasn't been a single sentence so

0:59:46.430,0:59:49.410


0:59:46.440,0:59:53.090
far from doctorate in a support of that

0:59:49.400,0:59:53.090


0:59:49.410,0:59:57.060
proposition let me give you an example

0:59:53.080,0:59:57.060


0:59:53.090,1:00:00.119
if you do the event horizon of Stephen

0:59:57.050,1:00:00.119


0:59:57.060,1:00:02.100
Hawking that I just mentioned God take a

1:00:00.109,1:00:02.100


1:00:00.119,1:00:04.640
cosmological one to begin with the event

1:00:02.090,1:00:04.640


1:00:02.100,1:00:08.790
horizon is the lip of the black hole

1:00:04.630,1:00:08.790


1:00:04.640,1:00:11.180
it's it's the suppose you could travel

1:00:08.780,1:00:11.180


1:00:08.790,1:00:14.640
towards a black hole and see it and see

1:00:11.170,1:00:14.640


1:00:11.180,1:00:17.730
the lip of it and notice it before you

1:00:14.630,1:00:17.730


1:00:14.640,1:00:18.960
went in and over and down that's what's

1:00:17.720,1:00:18.960


1:00:17.730,1:00:21.390
known as the event horizon the

1:00:18.950,1:00:21.390


1:00:18.960,1:00:23.010
physicists Hawking had a gravely ill

1:00:21.380,1:00:23.010


1:00:21.390,1:00:25.470
colleague in Cambridge who said if he

1:00:23.000,1:00:25.470


1:00:23.010,1:00:27.869
knew he was definitely going to die

1:00:25.460,1:00:27.869


1:00:25.470,1:00:30.930
that's the way he'd like to go befallen

1:00:27.859,1:00:30.930


1:00:27.869,1:00:32.850
into the event horizon lip of the black

1:00:30.920,1:00:32.850


1:00:30.930,1:00:35.070
hole because in theory you'd be able to

1:00:32.840,1:00:35.070


1:00:32.850,1:00:36.590
see the past and the future and time

1:00:35.060,1:00:36.590


1:00:35.070,1:00:40.680
except you wouldn't have quite enough

1:00:36.580,1:00:40.680


1:00:36.590,1:00:43.900
time to do so but there would be a grand

1:00:40.670,1:00:43.900


1:00:40.680,1:00:46.900
way to check out if you were physicist

1:00:43.890,1:00:46.900


1:00:43.900,1:00:49.630
turn away from this says the turn away

1:00:46.890,1:00:49.630


1:00:46.900,1:00:52.060
from that these incredible majestic or

1:00:49.620,1:00:52.060


1:00:49.630,1:00:55.240
inspiring thoughts say the theists think

1:00:52.050,1:00:55.240


1:00:52.060,1:00:58.270
about the burning bush instead think

1:00:55.230,1:00:58.270


1:00:55.240,1:01:01.750
about the trivial miracles witnessed by

1:00:58.260,1:01:01.750


1:00:58.270,1:01:04.570
sheep herding peasants in Bronze Age

1:01:01.740,1:01:04.570


1:01:01.750,1:01:07.030
Palestine and think about the jet that

1:01:04.560,1:01:07.030


1:01:04.570,1:01:11.080
they they feel that we should incur for

1:01:07.020,1:01:11.080


1:01:07.030,1:01:14.080
their sins it was stated by dr. Jory

1:01:11.070,1:01:14.080


1:01:11.080,1:01:15.700
that the sins of these people the

1:01:14.070,1:01:15.700


1:01:14.080,1:01:18.640
transgressions of these people and the

1:01:15.690,1:01:18.640


1:01:15.700,1:01:20.950
debt they owe their Creator bind all of

1:01:18.630,1:01:20.950


1:01:18.640,1:01:22.780
us as sinners what a shame we're not

1:01:20.940,1:01:22.780


1:01:20.950,1:01:24.760
perfect what a shame there's nothing we

1:01:22.770,1:01:24.760


1:01:22.780,1:01:26.740
can do about it what a shame we are

1:01:24.750,1:01:26.740


1:01:24.760,1:01:29.830
created already in prison and have to

1:01:26.730,1:01:29.830


1:01:26.740,1:01:33.190
earn our emancipation I tell you again

1:01:29.820,1:01:33.190


1:01:29.830,1:01:35.050
this is civility to the ultimate power

1:01:33.180,1:01:35.050


1:01:33.190,1:01:37.540
now there are people in this audience

1:01:35.040,1:01:37.540


1:01:35.050,1:01:39.970
much better equipped than I to say that

1:01:37.530,1:01:39.970


1:01:37.540,1:01:42.400
there is so far nothing in our natural

1:01:39.960,1:01:42.400


1:01:39.970,1:01:44.730
world to move away from the cosmological

1:01:42.390,1:01:44.730


1:01:42.400,1:01:47.800
there is nothing in our natural world

1:01:44.720,1:01:47.800


1:01:44.730,1:01:52.060
globe we live on that cannot be

1:01:47.790,1:01:52.060


1:01:47.800,1:01:55.380
explained by random mutation combined

1:01:52.050,1:01:55.380


1:01:52.060,1:01:55.380
with evolution by natural selection

1:01:55.490,1:01:55.490


1:01:55.500,1:02:00.670
nothing works without that assumption

1:01:58.160,1:02:00.670


1:01:58.170,1:02:02.830
everything works with it there are lots

1:02:00.660,1:02:02.830


1:02:00.670,1:02:05.920
of things that remain to be decided but

1:02:02.820,1:02:05.920


1:02:02.830,1:02:07.780
it's not a theory or not just one it

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1:02:05.920,1:02:10.540
does work it is operational it doesn't

1:02:07.770,1:02:10.540


1:02:07.780,1:02:12.090
require a prime mover Occam's razor says

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we should dispose of unnecessary

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needless assumptions that's what I

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1:02:14.920,1:02:21.310
propose we do in this case I'll put it

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1:02:18.310,1:02:28.350
another way how long would you say Homo

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1:02:21.310,1:02:32.680
sapiens has been on the planet from

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1:02:28.350,1:02:34.360
Francis not Crick excuse me the author

1:02:32.670,1:02:34.360


1:02:32.680,1:02:36.910
of human the supervisors of Human Genome

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1:02:34.360,1:02:39.040
Project Collins Franklin my new best

1:02:36.900,1:02:39.040


1:02:36.910,1:02:42.430
friend and occasional debating enemy

1:02:39.030,1:02:42.430


1:02:39.040,1:02:44.650
thinks well not more than half a million

1:02:42.420,1:02:44.650


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years Richard Dawkins thinks it could be

1:02:44.640,1:02:49.420


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not just 3/4 million I can sync the

1:02:49.410,1:02:50.830


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number actually if you like we know that

1:02:50.820,1:02:53.260


1:02:50.830,1:02:56.060
the we left the species left Africa

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about 75,000 years

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1:02:56.060,1:03:01.620
having probably shrunk down to about two

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1:02:59.100,1:03:04.290
or three thousand people as a result of

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a terrible climatic disturbance probably

1:03:04.280,1:03:05.460


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from Indonesia probably from a

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predecessor of Krakatoa which meant that

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we were this close to joining the ninety

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nine point eight percent of all species

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1:03:13.740,1:03:19.980
ever living on the surface of this plant

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who became extinct some design by the

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way profuse creation of millions and

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millions and millions of life forms all

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to be wiped out with not even anyone

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left to testify to their previous

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existence we really joined that long

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match get out of it just in time let's

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call it I don't want Francis's million

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1:03:37.290,1:03:41.220
Orem half a million all Richard Dawkins

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is seventy five thousand whichever way

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right just give me that the just give me

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that amount of time suppose we've only

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1:03:45.180,1:03:51.080
been around for 75,000 years

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monotheism Christianity Judaism Islam

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1:03:51.080,1:03:58.320
shows up what four or five thousand

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1:03:54.630,1:04:00.240
years ago the most so if you give me my

1:03:58.310,1:04:00.240


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most microscopically small assumption of

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human existence for at least seventy

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thousand years heaven watches as the

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human species is born dies usually of

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its teeth usually at about twenty

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usually which infants having about a

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1:04:17.130,1:04:22.200
nine ten to two percent chance of living

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build you can I don't have enjoy your

1:04:22.190,1:04:25.670


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picture watch is this within difference

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thousands and thousands of generations

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were miserable illiterate starving

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hungry to say nothing of the wars

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they'll fight with each other to say

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nothing of the cruel tease they will

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inflict as well as the ones they will

1:04:37.790,1:04:41.660


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suffer just from existence and only

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three or four perhaps five thousand

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years ago heaven decides us enough of

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1:04:46.140,1:04:51.900
that it's time for an intervention and

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the best way to do it would be in the

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most primitive part of the Middle East

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not in China where people can read and

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said have looked at telescopes you know

1:04:58.340,1:04:59.940


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in the most primitive part of the Middle

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East

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basically by offering human sacrifice to

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them

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this is a doctrine that cannot be

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believed by anyone who studied anything

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scientific anything historical anything

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archaeological anything highly illogical

1:05:15.470,1:05:17.370


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and think biologic not company believe

1:05:17.360,1:05:19.680


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item can be only believed by someone who

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wants to be a plaything and a slave of a

1:05:23.630,1:05:27.060


1:05:23.640,1:05:29.580
pitiless totalitarian how how glad we

1:05:27.050,1:05:29.580


1:05:27.060,1:05:35.570
should be that the evidence for this

1:05:29.570,1:05:35.570


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ghastly entity is nil good Thanks

1:05:46.150,1:05:46.150


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I'm gonna style away and let them ask

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1:05:51.090,1:05:55.260
questions of each other and the way that

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1:05:53.850,1:05:57.600
we've scheduled is a minute to ask and

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1:05:55.260,1:06:00.810
five to answer and we'll try to stay to

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that so that's very generous if you dr.

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1:06:00.810,1:06:03.150
Turk would like to go first

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since you had already posed some

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questions to mr. how many times do we do

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that three times so you get three apiece

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wouldn't could I just proposed unless

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you really have three that you're dying

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to I don't have three I'm trying to duck

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but that seems a long time for the

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audience stuff to wait it seems to me

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could we do it to maybe get to their

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questions I have six I'm your I'm your

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witness then so three was right dr. Turk

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okay Christopher what is your

1:06:33.800,1:06:35.880


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explanation for the beginning of time

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space and matter out of nothing

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well we don't know

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I remember being asked by one of my

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1:06:43.140,1:06:51.060
children once that I said well what what

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1:06:47.430,1:06:53.760
was there at the big bag and I said well

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you have to imagine this is this shows

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how poverty-stricken our own vocabulary

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is and I suspect how poverty-stricken

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our own a capacity is in other words I

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think there are some things not that we

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don't understand or know but that we

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1:07:05.760,1:07:11.340
cannot so we would use to sort of

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primitive images but I said suppose you

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could picture all of the matter the

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whole of matter condensed into I got

1:07:16.550,1:07:18.570


1:07:16.560,1:07:21.000
this from Hawking I think one of his

1:07:18.560,1:07:21.000


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colleagues condensed into something like

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1:07:21.000,1:07:28.380
a very small dense black suitcase of the

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kind you see people carrying money in in

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crime for us and it's about to fly up

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that's what you have to be able and that

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everything that's ever going to be is

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inside that that was the best I could do

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and I don't think many people could do

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if I say it myself and that much better

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but I was completely unforced because

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the kids said well what was outside the

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city and I thought well I can't like

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can do that and I don't know anyone who

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can and that in a way would be my whole

1:07:58.580,1:08:02.610


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point I don't have to know you do you're

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the one who says you know not me

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the theists of the deist say oh come on

1:08:08.390,1:08:11.610


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we know this is only possible with an

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author is very possible with a creator

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so the Apostle with a master and

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commander it's only possible with a

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dictator you're welcome I don't need

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five minutes is it is it fair to say

1:08:21.530,1:08:25.200


1:08:21.540,1:08:26.940
though that if the creation was out of

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nothing and that's the common view today

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that the beam had brought it into

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existence the cause whatever it was it's

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a big as what we ground you have a so

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being because to go from a state of

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non-existence to a state of existence

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you need to make a choice you don't you

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don't have how does something what are

1:08:41.690,1:08:43.470


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you getting this choice from the choice

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how does a first of all there was no

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nature there was nothing so if there was

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nothing how do you get something from

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nothing without a cause how do you get I

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can ask the same question and the way I

1:08:53.720,1:08:55.190


1:08:53.730,1:08:57.180
did before how do you get so much

1:08:55.180,1:08:57.180


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nothing from something look into the

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1:08:57.180,1:09:01.470
night sky if you're in say the Carmel

1:08:59.630,1:09:01.470


1:08:59.640,1:09:02.970
Peninsula you can't do it from many

1:09:01.460,1:09:02.970


1:09:01.470,1:09:04.980
parts of Virginia now but if you are

1:09:02.960,1:09:04.980


1:09:02.970,1:09:07.470
certain parts of California as I was

1:09:04.970,1:09:07.470


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recently you can look on the night sky

1:09:07.460,1:09:09.450


1:09:07.470,1:09:11.069
and see universe is blowing up and

1:09:09.440,1:09:11.069


1:09:09.450,1:09:13.920
bursting into flame every night of the

1:09:11.059,1:09:13.920


1:09:11.069,1:09:16.680
week several times they had something

1:09:13.910,1:09:16.680


1:09:13.920,1:09:18.839
and it's all nothing now who's the

1:09:16.670,1:09:18.839


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author of that who mandated that who's

1:09:18.829,1:09:21.180


1:09:18.839,1:09:23.940
the creator of that who's the dictator

1:09:21.170,1:09:23.940


1:09:21.180,1:09:26.160
who demands that sacrifice you're making

1:09:23.930,1:09:26.160


1:09:23.940,1:09:27.390
a rod for your own back here the fact

1:09:26.150,1:09:27.390


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that things go out of existence

1:09:27.380,1:09:28.859


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Christopher doesn't mean that they're

1:09:28.849,1:09:31.109


1:09:28.859,1:09:33.359
not designed the typewriter is out of

1:09:31.099,1:09:33.359


1:09:31.109,1:09:35.520
existence right now thankfully but the

1:09:33.349,1:09:35.520


1:09:33.359,1:09:37.259
typewriters designed so the fact that

1:09:35.510,1:09:37.259


1:09:35.520,1:09:38.759
the universe is going to heat death

1:09:37.249,1:09:38.759


1:09:37.259,1:09:41.069
doesn't mean that it didn't have a

1:09:38.749,1:09:41.069


1:09:38.759,1:09:44.040
designer at the beginning and of course

1:09:41.059,1:09:44.040


1:09:41.069,1:09:45.900
religious people believe that somebody's

1:09:44.030,1:09:45.900


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going to intervene to stop it before it

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1:09:45.900,1:09:49.940
does go anything they do even if it

1:09:48.440,1:09:49.940


1:09:48.450,1:09:52.130
doesn't

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1:09:49.940,1:09:54.800
no office or even if nobody intervened

1:09:52.120,1:09:54.800


1:09:52.130,1:09:56.989
you can go traditionally knows to eat

1:09:54.790,1:09:56.989


1:09:54.800,1:09:59.150
death excuse me did the religious among

1:09:56.979,1:09:59.150


1:09:56.989,1:10:00.770
you ladies and gentlemen to understand I

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1:09:59.150,1:10:02.810
did not that there will be an

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1:10:00.770,1:10:06.110
intervention to make an exception in our

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1:10:02.810,1:10:09.140
case that this will not happen to our

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1:10:06.110,1:10:10.969
cosmos the God will prevent that he does

1:10:09.130,1:10:10.969


1:10:09.140,1:10:15.650
that's the Christian view and as I had

1:10:10.959,1:10:15.650


1:10:10.969,1:10:18.410
no idea and don't have seen new earth

1:10:15.640,1:10:18.410


1:10:15.650,1:10:20.660
would be created Genesis is Paradise

1:10:18.400,1:10:20.660


1:10:18.410,1:10:24.199
Lost revelation is paradise resort

1:10:20.650,1:10:24.199


1:10:20.660,1:10:27.710
island away have you it sounds thatcher

1:10:24.189,1:10:27.710


1:10:24.199,1:10:29.600
us to me yeah how do you get used to do

1:10:27.700,1:10:29.600


1:10:27.710,1:10:30.230
you I am not the one who has to answer

1:10:29.590,1:10:30.230


1:10:29.600,1:10:31.969
the question

1:10:30.220,1:10:31.969


1:10:30.230,1:10:33.500
excuse me you're the one who has to

1:10:31.959,1:10:33.500


1:10:31.969,1:10:35.330
answer but you you're the one who claims

1:10:33.490,1:10:35.330


1:10:33.500,1:10:38.630
to know you say there was a creation

1:10:35.320,1:10:38.630


1:10:35.330,1:10:40.340
moment and a creator I want to know why

1:10:38.620,1:10:40.340


1:10:38.630,1:10:43.130
you're changing the subject it seems to

1:10:40.330,1:10:43.130


1:10:40.340,1:10:44.239
me how do i how do I not know this when

1:10:43.120,1:10:44.239


1:10:43.130,1:10:47.030
you're the one where's all the

1:10:44.229,1:10:47.030


1:10:44.239,1:10:48.710
information I also want to know I also

1:10:47.020,1:10:48.710


1:10:47.030,1:10:51.650
want now I also want to know this I want

1:10:48.700,1:10:51.650


1:10:48.710,1:10:55.489
to know what sources you have that are

1:10:51.640,1:10:55.489


1:10:51.650,1:10:57.800
not available to me how do you know that

1:10:55.479,1:10:57.800


1:10:55.489,1:11:00.260
an intervention worker to prevent the

1:10:57.790,1:11:00.260


1:10:57.800,1:11:01.430
entropy an implosion and destruction of

1:11:00.250,1:11:01.430


1:11:00.260,1:11:04.580
our services do you want to go to our

1:11:01.420,1:11:04.580


1:11:01.430,1:11:06.080
second debate I'll I'll provide that but

1:11:04.570,1:11:06.080


1:11:04.580,1:11:07.850
but what would I say it is let's say

1:11:06.070,1:11:07.850


1:11:06.080,1:11:09.530
there's no inner inch let's say there's

1:11:07.840,1:11:09.530


1:11:07.850,1:11:10.760
no intervention we go to heat depth does

1:11:09.520,1:11:10.760


1:11:09.530,1:11:13.430
that mean in the universe was not

1:11:10.750,1:11:13.430


1:11:10.760,1:11:15.260
created and not designed it doesn't

1:11:13.420,1:11:15.260


1:11:13.430,1:11:16.820
entail that belief no but it makes it

1:11:15.250,1:11:16.820


1:11:15.260,1:11:20.870
actually what makes it seem a very

1:11:16.810,1:11:20.870


1:11:16.820,1:11:23.330
capricious designer shall we say rather

1:11:20.860,1:11:23.330


1:11:20.870,1:11:25.520
as I said it's an old verse of full

1:11:23.320,1:11:25.520


1:11:23.330,1:11:28.640
grevilles created sick commanded to be

1:11:25.510,1:11:28.640


1:11:25.520,1:11:30.680
well why would why would people be told

1:11:28.630,1:11:30.680


1:11:28.640,1:11:32.960
okay I can create you but I'm going to

1:11:30.670,1:11:32.960


1:11:30.680,1:11:36.050
create you with original sin misery

1:11:32.950,1:11:36.050


1:11:32.960,1:11:38.320
shame death of children disease and so

1:11:36.040,1:11:38.320


1:11:36.050,1:11:42.219
on just to see if you can pass a test

1:11:38.310,1:11:42.219


1:11:38.320,1:11:45.440
the mean I might not send you to hell I

1:11:42.209,1:11:45.440


1:11:42.219,1:11:46.910
don't say that that didn't happen I say

1:11:45.430,1:11:46.910


1:11:45.440,1:11:49.580
that I'm very glad that the evidence for

1:11:46.900,1:11:49.580


1:11:46.910,1:11:51.260
it is very scanty and I accuse those of

1:11:49.570,1:11:51.260


1:11:49.580,1:11:53.210
who believe who do believe it and I

1:11:51.250,1:11:53.210


1:11:51.260,1:11:54.560
can't have been showing this understood

1:11:53.200,1:11:54.560


1:11:53.210,1:11:58.130
on this point of having

1:11:54.550,1:11:58.130


1:11:54.560,1:11:59.960
harboring a very sinister desire to live

1:11:58.120,1:11:59.960


1:11:58.130,1:12:00.770
in a church a latarian system if I

1:11:59.950,1:12:00.770


1:11:59.960,1:12:04.120
sister

1:12:00.760,1:12:04.120


1:12:00.770,1:12:06.650
let's get let's design to be safe

1:12:04.110,1:12:06.650


1:12:04.120,1:12:10.070
masochism I think I regard masochism

1:12:06.640,1:12:10.070


1:12:06.650,1:12:11.630
your ego masochism name beyond I'll say

1:12:10.060,1:12:11.630


1:12:10.070,1:12:15.250
that I think masochism is a sinister and

1:12:11.620,1:12:15.250


1:12:11.630,1:12:15.250
creepy impulse here mr. Hitchens

1:12:15.750,1:12:15.750


1:12:15.760,1:12:23.870
question for our doctor jerk alright I

1:12:18.370,1:12:23.870


1:12:18.380,1:12:27.140
won't take a minute to ask in the eye I

1:12:23.860,1:12:27.140


1:12:23.870,1:12:30.520
don't just support and try and help out

1:12:27.130,1:12:30.520


1:12:27.140,1:12:32.210
the those who descent from the

1:12:30.510,1:12:32.210


1:12:30.520,1:12:35.500
ridiculous

1:12:32.200,1:12:35.500


1:12:32.210,1:12:38.480
belief Christianity the horrible idea of

1:12:35.490,1:12:38.480


1:12:35.500,1:12:40.820
vicarious redemption in other words of

1:12:38.470,1:12:40.820


1:12:38.480,1:12:43.520
the idea that by watching another person

1:12:40.810,1:12:43.520


1:12:40.820,1:12:44.990
suffer an innocent person suffer that

1:12:43.510,1:12:44.990


1:12:43.520,1:12:47.540
you could be free not just from your

1:12:44.980,1:12:47.540


1:12:44.990,1:12:49.670
debts or your sins but your

1:12:47.530,1:12:49.670


1:12:47.540,1:12:51.020
responsibilities you could cast your

1:12:49.660,1:12:51.020


1:12:49.670,1:12:53.510
sins on escape

1:12:51.010,1:12:53.510


1:12:51.020,1:12:55.910
I don't just oppose that disgusting

1:12:53.500,1:12:55.910


1:12:53.510,1:12:58.180
belief I oppose the Judaism from which

1:12:55.900,1:12:58.180


1:12:55.910,1:13:01.250
it's plagiarized and the Islam that

1:12:58.170,1:13:01.250


1:12:58.180,1:13:04.070
plagiarizes from it and I give a

1:13:01.240,1:13:04.070


1:13:01.250,1:13:06.440
publicity and exposure whenever I can to

1:13:04.060,1:13:06.440


1:13:04.070,1:13:08.690
those who were brave enough in old times

1:13:06.430,1:13:08.690


1:13:06.440,1:13:11.570
to oppose this this nightmarish belief

1:13:08.680,1:13:11.570


1:13:08.690,1:13:14.210
and one of the great opponents of the

1:13:11.560,1:13:14.210


1:13:11.570,1:13:17.260
Islamic totalitarianism in ancient

1:13:14.200,1:13:17.260


1:13:14.210,1:13:19.730
Persia was the great Omar Khayyam

1:13:17.250,1:13:19.730


1:13:17.260,1:13:22.040
perhaps the greatest poet of Persian

1:13:19.720,1:13:22.040


1:13:19.730,1:13:24.680
whose Rubaiyat I'm sure is known at

1:13:22.030,1:13:24.680


1:13:22.040,1:13:27.410
least to some of you and my favorite

1:13:24.670,1:13:27.410


1:13:24.680,1:13:29.630
verse of this comes from the Robert

1:13:27.400,1:13:29.630


1:13:27.410,1:13:30.470
legaly and translation and it takes the

1:13:29.620,1:13:30.470


1:13:29.630,1:13:33.410
form of a question

1:13:30.460,1:13:33.410


1:13:30.470,1:13:38.300
the quatrain is in the form of question

1:13:33.400,1:13:38.300


1:13:33.410,1:13:43.370
it says and do you think that onto such

1:13:38.290,1:13:43.370


1:13:38.300,1:13:47.920
as you a maggot minded starved fanatic

1:13:43.360,1:13:47.920


1:13:43.370,1:13:51.950
crew God gave a secret and denied it me

1:13:47.910,1:13:51.950


1:13:47.920,1:13:56.650
well well what matters it believe that

1:13:51.940,1:13:56.650


1:13:51.950,1:13:59.060
to to this magnificent astronomer and

1:13:56.640,1:13:59.060


1:13:56.650,1:14:02.350
scientists and physician and humanists

1:13:59.050,1:14:02.350


1:13:59.060,1:14:05.000
of Persia who opposed the cruel sadistic

1:14:02.340,1:14:05.000


1:14:02.350,1:14:07.040
verminous ignorant mullahs of his day I

1:14:04.990,1:14:07.040


1:14:05.000,1:14:09.260
borrow the question what is your

1:14:07.030,1:14:09.260


1:14:07.040,1:14:11.810
authority for saying that you know

1:14:09.250,1:14:11.810


1:14:09.260,1:14:13.560
something that I don't Chris Wragge

1:14:11.800,1:14:13.560


1:14:11.810,1:14:16.210
probability are

1:14:13.550,1:14:16.210


1:14:13.560,1:14:19.720
as you said before you can't disprove

1:14:16.200,1:14:19.720


1:14:16.210,1:14:21.670
the existence of God and you can't prove

1:14:19.710,1:14:21.670


1:14:19.720,1:14:22.930
beyond any doubt that there's a God I'm

1:14:21.660,1:14:22.930


1:14:21.670,1:14:24.910
giving probability I'm giving

1:14:22.920,1:14:24.910


1:14:22.930,1:14:28.510
cosmological teleological moral

1:14:24.900,1:14:28.510


1:14:24.910,1:14:31.120
consciousness reason mathematics all of

1:14:28.500,1:14:31.120


1:14:28.510,1:14:32.920
those things I listed before it's open

1:14:31.110,1:14:32.920


1:14:31.120,1:14:36.550
the evidence is open to everybody and

1:14:32.910,1:14:36.550


1:14:32.920,1:14:39.610
this is related to your 70 thousand

1:14:36.540,1:14:39.610


1:14:36.550,1:14:42.250
years a point that you've just made

1:14:39.600,1:14:42.250


1:14:39.610,1:14:44.890
there from a Christian perspective God

1:14:42.240,1:14:44.890


1:14:42.250,1:14:48.340
has always had a revelation even before

1:14:44.880,1:14:48.340


1:14:44.890,1:14:49.960
Christ it talks about the fact that God

1:14:48.330,1:14:49.960


1:14:48.340,1:14:53.200
has always had a witness there's three

1:14:49.950,1:14:53.200


1:14:49.960,1:14:55.060
witnesses there's creation everyone has

1:14:53.190,1:14:55.060


1:14:53.200,1:14:56.590
creation there's conscience

1:14:55.050,1:14:56.590


1:14:55.060,1:14:58.900
everyone has conscience and there's

1:14:56.580,1:14:58.900


1:14:56.590,1:15:02.650
Christ now Christ's true only came 2,000

1:14:58.890,1:15:02.650


1:14:58.900,1:15:04.600
years ago but his sacrifice how some

1:15:02.640,1:15:04.600


1:15:02.650,1:15:07.930
published on again excuse me his

1:15:04.590,1:15:07.930


1:15:04.600,1:15:10.960
sacrifice of atonement is retroactive to

1:15:07.920,1:15:10.960


1:15:07.930,1:15:13.600
everybody that lived before him so he's

1:15:10.950,1:15:13.600


1:15:10.960,1:15:14.920
always that awareness it is quite

1:15:13.590,1:15:14.920


1:15:13.600,1:15:18.240
convenient and that is the very nature

1:15:14.910,1:15:18.240


1:15:14.920,1:15:18.240
of God you're absolutely correct

1:15:19.110,1:15:19.110


1:15:19.120,1:15:25.250
well I got him to say it

1:15:22.930,1:15:25.250


1:15:22.940,1:15:27.860
you see if we were if we were only

1:15:25.240,1:15:27.860


1:15:25.250,1:15:29.120
discussing ontological questions that

1:15:27.850,1:15:29.120


1:15:27.860,1:15:32.900
would be all very well and it could be

1:15:29.110,1:15:32.900


1:15:29.120,1:15:35.060
quite amusing I could say that you

1:15:32.890,1:15:35.060


1:15:32.900,1:15:36.950
require a higher degree of standard of

1:15:35.050,1:15:36.950


1:15:35.060,1:15:39.200
proof for your proposition than I

1:15:36.940,1:15:39.200


1:15:36.950,1:15:41.090
perhaps do for mine and you probably

1:15:39.190,1:15:41.090


1:15:39.200,1:15:43.280
accept that and so forth and we could go

1:15:41.080,1:15:43.280


1:15:41.090,1:15:44.870
back and forth we'd be pull Turing the

1:15:43.270,1:15:44.870


1:15:43.280,1:15:47.210
gain with the essence of the matter

1:15:44.860,1:15:47.210


1:15:44.870,1:15:49.400
which is this the difference between the

1:15:47.200,1:15:49.400


1:15:47.210,1:15:51.800
theist and the deist is as follows the

1:15:49.390,1:15:51.800


1:15:49.400,1:15:53.990
deer says may not make sense without

1:15:51.790,1:15:53.990


1:15:51.800,1:15:56.360
some kind of designer the theist says

1:15:53.980,1:15:56.360


1:15:53.990,1:16:00.590
when I tell you what to do Christopher I

1:15:56.350,1:16:00.590


1:15:56.360,1:16:05.140
have God on my side you're the deer says

1:16:00.580,1:16:05.140


1:16:00.590,1:16:07.700
he can tell what God wants of me what

1:16:05.130,1:16:07.700


1:16:05.140,1:16:11.110
lengths I should shave off the end of my

1:16:07.690,1:16:11.110


1:16:07.700,1:16:14.420
penis if I'm boy I'll have a male child

1:16:11.100,1:16:14.420


1:16:11.110,1:16:16.040
or off the clitoris if it's a female

1:16:14.410,1:16:16.040


1:16:14.420,1:16:17.390
child he knows through the exactitude

1:16:16.030,1:16:17.390


1:16:16.040,1:16:20.660
what the proportions of that should be

1:16:17.380,1:16:20.660


1:16:17.390,1:16:22.610
what the diet should be what the dietary

1:16:20.650,1:16:22.610


1:16:20.660,1:16:26.090
laws ought to be who I should sleep with

1:16:22.600,1:16:26.090


1:16:22.610,1:16:28.190
and in what position and various I think

1:16:26.080,1:16:28.190


1:16:26.090,1:16:30.500
you can and since God doesn't ever

1:16:28.180,1:16:30.500


1:16:28.190,1:16:32.930
directly appear and say do it this way

1:16:30.490,1:16:32.930


1:16:30.500,1:16:34.670
it's done for him this is really

1:16:32.920,1:16:34.670


1:16:32.930,1:16:37.280
convenient by human representatives who

1:16:34.660,1:16:37.280


1:16:34.670,1:16:38.570
claim to act in his name so that's why I

1:16:37.270,1:16:38.570


1:16:37.280,1:16:41.000
think your standard of proof should be a

1:16:38.560,1:16:41.000


1:16:38.570,1:16:42.260
great deal higher because if you you're

1:16:40.990,1:16:42.260


1:16:41.000,1:16:44.030
you know the reason this point is

1:16:42.250,1:16:44.030


1:16:42.260,1:16:46.700
important to you is because it would

1:16:44.020,1:16:46.700


1:16:44.030,1:16:48.650
mean real power in the only world that

1:16:46.690,1:16:48.650


1:16:46.700,1:16:52.130
actually exists which is the material

1:16:48.640,1:16:52.130


1:16:48.650,1:16:55.610
world of you over me and you wonder why

1:16:52.120,1:16:55.610


1:16:52.130,1:16:58.070
I'm not keen okay the the material world

1:16:55.600,1:16:58.070


1:16:55.610,1:17:00.620
is all that exists that thought that you

1:16:58.060,1:17:00.620


1:16:58.070,1:17:02.090
just mentioned Christopher the material

1:17:00.610,1:17:02.090


1:17:00.620,1:17:04.670
world that all that exists is that

1:17:02.080,1:17:04.670


1:17:02.090,1:17:08.450
thought material and if it is why is it

1:17:04.660,1:17:08.450


1:17:04.670,1:17:13.580
true that sounds like has mystery to me

1:17:08.440,1:17:13.580


1:17:08.450,1:17:15.880
but I mean I think that that everything

1:17:13.570,1:17:15.880


1:17:13.580,1:17:18.320
that I am a capable of thinking saying

1:17:15.870,1:17:18.320


1:17:15.880,1:17:20.900
feeling and so forth does depend on my

1:17:18.310,1:17:20.900


1:17:18.320,1:17:25.220
continued existence as a what should we

1:17:20.890,1:17:25.220


1:17:20.900,1:17:27.110
say mass of molecules or yeah I should

1:17:25.210,1:17:27.110


1:17:25.220,1:17:29.710
shoot me in the head and I go I can't go

1:17:27.100,1:17:29.710


1:17:27.110,1:17:29.710
on like this

1:17:30.010,1:17:30.010


1:17:30.020,1:17:37.440
and I won't be coming back to bother you

1:17:33.290,1:17:37.440


1:17:33.300,1:17:41.159
either question sure nor am i going

1:17:37.430,1:17:41.159


1:17:37.440,1:17:42.840
anywhere after that Sam Chris I don't

1:17:41.149,1:17:42.840


1:17:41.159,1:17:44.239
wish it otherwise by the way I don't

1:17:42.830,1:17:44.239


1:17:42.840,1:17:48.570
wish it

1:17:44.229,1:17:48.570


1:17:44.239,1:17:51.659
God gives you what you desire would that

1:17:48.560,1:17:51.659


1:17:48.570,1:17:54.840
that were the case I have a bear with me

1:17:51.649,1:17:54.840


1:17:51.659,1:17:56.099
a relatively long question here after

1:17:54.830,1:17:56.099


1:17:54.840,1:18:00.480
admitting that an unborn child is a

1:17:56.089,1:18:00.480


1:17:56.099,1:18:02.639
human being you write on page 221 and I

1:18:00.470,1:18:02.639


1:18:00.480,1:18:04.409
thankfully you you say in the book that

1:18:02.629,1:18:04.409


1:18:02.639,1:18:05.250
it's nonsense that an unborn child is

1:18:04.399,1:18:05.250


1:18:04.409,1:18:07.199
not a human being

1:18:05.240,1:18:07.199


1:18:05.250,1:18:09.030
you admit that the unborn child is you

1:18:07.189,1:18:09.030


1:18:07.199,1:18:10.739
say this and I quote there may be

1:18:09.020,1:18:10.739


1:18:09.030,1:18:13.170
circumstances in which it is not

1:18:10.729,1:18:13.170


1:18:10.739,1:18:16.079
desirable to carry a fetus to full-term

1:18:13.160,1:18:16.079


1:18:13.170,1:18:18.679
you then go on to advocate termination

1:18:16.069,1:18:18.679


1:18:16.079,1:18:22.020
of pregnancy if birth control fails

1:18:18.669,1:18:22.020


1:18:18.679,1:18:24.210
here's my question why is it that

1:18:22.010,1:18:24.210


1:18:22.020,1:18:26.670
according to you when God plays God by

1:18:24.200,1:18:26.670


1:18:24.210,1:18:29.250
taking a life prematurely in the Old

1:18:26.660,1:18:29.250


1:18:26.670,1:18:31.320
Testament for example it is a moral

1:18:29.240,1:18:31.320


1:18:29.250,1:18:32.909
outrage but when you play God by taking

1:18:31.310,1:18:32.909


1:18:31.320,1:18:35.400
a life prematurely through abortion it

1:18:32.899,1:18:35.400


1:18:32.909,1:18:36.780
is a moral right well it's a false

1:18:35.390,1:18:36.780


1:18:35.400,1:18:39.000
distinction I mean I don't that's not

1:18:36.770,1:18:39.000


1:18:36.780,1:18:40.829
what I say I mean I say that the the

1:18:38.990,1:18:40.829


1:18:39.000,1:18:43.619
great abortifacient is I would say

1:18:40.819,1:18:43.619


1:18:40.829,1:18:46.110
nature I don't say god of course

1:18:43.609,1:18:46.110


1:18:43.619,1:18:49.070
God does not decide so many pregnancies

1:18:46.100,1:18:49.070


1:18:46.110,1:18:51.719
are not character full-term nature knows

1:18:49.060,1:18:51.719


1:18:49.070,1:18:54.199
in the case of our species as with every

1:18:51.709,1:18:54.199


1:18:51.719,1:18:56.219
other mammal and primate that some

1:18:54.189,1:18:56.219


1:18:54.199,1:18:58.260
fetuses are not going to make it and

1:18:56.209,1:18:58.260


1:18:56.219,1:19:02.190
flushes them out that that's just a

1:18:58.250,1:19:02.190


1:18:58.260,1:19:04.650
brute fact we wouldn't be here if that

1:19:02.180,1:19:04.650


1:19:02.190,1:19:08.219
wasn't the case because we're as you

1:19:04.640,1:19:08.219


1:19:04.650,1:19:10.010
know adapted biologically to a to an

1:19:08.209,1:19:10.010


1:19:08.219,1:19:12.389
environment we've abandoned the savanna

1:19:10.000,1:19:12.389


1:19:10.010,1:19:13.980
that's why we have appendices that is

1:19:12.379,1:19:13.980


1:19:12.389,1:19:15.659
designed for grass eaters and you know

1:19:13.970,1:19:15.659


1:19:13.980,1:19:18.389
will this see it's all very well

1:19:15.649,1:19:18.389


1:19:15.659,1:19:21.630
knowable you can't be having a brood of

1:19:18.379,1:19:21.630


1:19:18.389,1:19:24.179
sickly half-baked children and get away

1:19:21.620,1:19:24.179


1:19:21.630,1:19:25.530
from the Predators I mean so nature is

1:19:24.169,1:19:25.530


1:19:24.179,1:19:27.900
the great abortifacient I certainly

1:19:25.520,1:19:27.900


1:19:25.530,1:19:30.750
don't blame God for it I do as a

1:19:27.890,1:19:30.750


1:19:27.900,1:19:33.389
humanist believe that the concept unborn

1:19:30.740,1:19:33.389


1:19:30.750,1:19:36.960
child is a real one and I think the

1:19:33.379,1:19:36.960


1:19:33.389,1:19:38.660
concept is underlined by all the recent

1:19:36.950,1:19:38.660


1:19:36.960,1:19:42.130
findings of embryology that

1:19:38.650,1:19:42.130


1:19:38.660,1:19:44.750
by the early viability of the

1:19:42.120,1:19:44.750


1:19:42.130,1:19:46.910
well-conceived a human baby the one that

1:19:44.740,1:19:46.910


1:19:44.750,1:19:49.610
isn't going to be critically deformed or

1:19:46.900,1:19:49.610


1:19:46.910,1:19:51.620
even some that are will be able to

1:19:49.600,1:19:51.620


1:19:49.610,1:19:52.910
survive outside the womb earlier and

1:19:51.610,1:19:52.910


1:19:51.620,1:19:55.730
earlier and earlier and I see that date

1:19:52.900,1:19:55.730


1:19:52.910,1:19:57.680
only being pushed pushed back and I feel

1:19:55.720,1:19:57.680


1:19:55.730,1:19:59.870
a responsibility to consider the

1:19:57.670,1:19:59.870


1:19:57.680,1:20:02.660
occupant of the of the womb as a

1:19:59.860,1:20:02.660


1:19:59.870,1:20:05.150
candidate member of society in the

1:20:02.650,1:20:05.150


1:20:02.660,1:20:09.790
future and thus to say that it cannot be

1:20:05.140,1:20:09.790


1:20:05.150,1:20:11.870
only the responsibility of the woman to

1:20:09.780,1:20:11.870


1:20:09.790,1:20:14.810
decide upon it that it's a social

1:20:11.860,1:20:14.810


1:20:11.870,1:20:16.910
question and an ethical and moral one

1:20:14.800,1:20:16.910


1:20:14.810,1:20:19.040
and I say this as someone who has no

1:20:16.900,1:20:19.040


1:20:16.910,1:20:22.130
supernatural belief so your question

1:20:19.030,1:20:22.130


1:20:19.040,1:20:24.020
ought to have been this how do I have

1:20:22.120,1:20:24.020


1:20:22.130,1:20:26.480
any ethical opinions since I don't

1:20:24.010,1:20:26.480


1:20:24.020,1:20:28.040
believe that I'm created and I don't

1:20:26.470,1:20:28.040


1:20:26.480,1:20:29.270
believe I'm going to heaven I prefer to

1:20:28.030,1:20:29.270


1:20:28.040,1:20:30.860
first question if you don't right but

1:20:29.260,1:20:30.860


1:20:29.270,1:20:33.170
okay but I mean it just isn't this

1:20:30.850,1:20:33.170


1:20:30.860,1:20:34.700
entailed but I've have i well I appeal

1:20:33.160,1:20:34.700


1:20:33.170,1:20:36.350
to the audience have I not answered the

1:20:34.690,1:20:36.350


1:20:34.700,1:20:39.020
question about the termination of

1:20:36.340,1:20:39.020


1:20:36.350,1:20:40.760
pregnancy which bit of I had not

1:20:39.010,1:20:40.760


1:20:39.020,1:20:42.710
answered you better prompt me that I'll

1:20:40.750,1:20:42.710


1:20:40.760,1:20:44.390
read it again why is it that according

1:20:42.700,1:20:44.390


1:20:42.710,1:20:46.250
to you when God plays God by taking a

1:20:44.380,1:20:46.250


1:20:44.390,1:20:49.280
life prima luckily it isn't according to

1:20:46.240,1:20:49.280


1:20:46.250,1:20:52.190
me God I don't say God does that you

1:20:49.270,1:20:52.190


1:20:49.280,1:20:53.930
measured in your book which is right

1:20:52.180,1:20:53.930


1:20:52.190,1:20:55.340
over here you have an entire chapter

1:20:53.920,1:20:55.340


1:20:53.930,1:20:57.350
about the atrocities in the Old

1:20:55.330,1:20:57.350


1:20:55.340,1:20:59.300
Testament yes and the atrocities have to

1:20:57.340,1:20:59.300


1:20:57.350,1:21:02.420
do with God commanding genocide and

1:20:59.290,1:21:02.420


1:20:59.300,1:21:04.550
those things and and and you obviously

1:21:02.410,1:21:04.550


1:21:02.420,1:21:07.640
have a problem with that as many people

1:21:04.540,1:21:07.640


1:21:04.550,1:21:09.230
should so my question again is why

1:21:07.630,1:21:09.230


1:21:07.640,1:21:10.400
according to you when God plays God by

1:21:09.220,1:21:10.400


1:21:09.230,1:21:13.460
taking a life prematurely in the Old

1:21:10.390,1:21:13.460


1:21:10.400,1:21:14.810
Testament is it a moral outrage but when

1:21:13.450,1:21:14.810


1:21:13.460,1:21:16.400
you play God by taking a life

1:21:14.800,1:21:16.400


1:21:14.810,1:21:20.960
prematurely through an abortion it is a

1:21:16.390,1:21:20.960


1:21:16.400,1:21:24.590
moral right once again I'm sorry if my

1:21:20.950,1:21:24.590


1:21:20.960,1:21:27.530
work is so obscure but I don't say that

1:21:24.580,1:21:27.530


1:21:24.590,1:21:29.360
I have a moral right to terminate

1:21:27.520,1:21:29.360


1:21:27.530,1:21:30.910
pregnancy I have given all the reasons

1:21:29.350,1:21:30.910


1:21:29.360,1:21:33.650
that I think hedged that question

1:21:30.900,1:21:33.650


1:21:30.910,1:21:36.620
ethically and morally very sternly there

1:21:33.640,1:21:36.620


1:21:33.650,1:21:39.200
stringently and in any case it's not

1:21:36.610,1:21:39.200


1:21:36.620,1:21:42.190
like saying that every living child of

1:21:39.190,1:21:42.190


1:21:39.200,1:21:47.480
the Amalekites should be destroyed and

1:21:42.180,1:21:47.480


1:21:42.190,1:21:49.370
an injunction by God to Moses to say

1:21:47.470,1:21:49.370


1:21:47.480,1:21:51.590
he's been too merciful he spared too

1:21:49.360,1:21:51.590


1:21:49.370,1:21:52.849
many children and enslaved to a few

1:21:51.580,1:21:52.849


1:21:51.590,1:21:55.219
women

1:21:52.839,1:21:55.219


1:21:52.849,1:21:57.919
didn't make the genocide complete I I'm

1:21:55.209,1:21:57.919


1:21:55.219,1:22:01.429
sorry I've never been accused of and I

1:21:57.909,1:22:01.429


1:21:57.919,1:22:04.010
expect not to be if I'm lucky in a my

1:22:01.419,1:22:04.010


1:22:01.429,1:22:05.329
life of any such thing and the the idea

1:22:04.000,1:22:05.329


1:22:04.010,1:22:08.359
there's a moral equivalence between the

1:22:05.319,1:22:08.359


1:22:05.329,1:22:14.929
two or handling the really difficult

1:22:08.349,1:22:14.929


1:22:08.359,1:22:17.569
question of a a non-viable fetus in what

1:22:14.919,1:22:17.569


1:22:14.929,1:22:21.319
should be done about it isn't a moral

1:22:17.559,1:22:21.319


1:22:17.569,1:22:24.499
equivalence at all so do you want to say

1:22:21.309,1:22:24.499


1:22:21.319,1:22:26.479
that all unborn life is like you say in

1:22:24.489,1:22:26.479


1:22:24.499,1:22:27.800
the book is a human being and therefore

1:22:26.469,1:22:27.800


1:22:26.479,1:22:28.789
you should not kill it is that what you

1:22:27.790,1:22:28.789


1:22:27.800,1:22:30.229
want to say to get out of this dilemma

1:22:28.779,1:22:30.229


1:22:28.789,1:22:32.300
or what you want to know but I think no

1:22:30.219,1:22:32.300


1:22:30.229,1:22:35.559
but I think the presumption that I've

1:22:32.290,1:22:35.559


1:22:32.300,1:22:41.179
long said that the presumption is that

1:22:35.549,1:22:41.179


1:22:35.559,1:22:42.949
the unborn entity has a right on its

1:22:41.169,1:22:42.949


1:22:41.179,1:22:45.859
side and that every effort should be

1:22:42.939,1:22:45.859


1:22:42.949,1:22:47.119
made to see if it can be preserved and I

1:22:45.849,1:22:47.119


1:22:45.859,1:22:48.829
think that's I think that's an ethical

1:22:47.109,1:22:48.829


1:22:47.119,1:22:50.719
imperative is what I do say in the books

1:22:48.819,1:22:50.719


1:22:48.829,1:22:55.510
I think the Roman Catholic Church makes

1:22:50.709,1:22:55.510


1:22:50.719,1:22:58.550
this argument immoral when it could be a

1:22:55.500,1:22:58.550


1:22:55.510,1:23:00.709
moral one by saying that contraception

1:22:58.540,1:23:00.709


1:22:58.550,1:23:02.179
is not to be allowed by saying the

1:23:00.699,1:23:02.179


1:23:00.709,1:23:03.829
contraception is the moral equivalent of

1:23:02.169,1:23:03.829


1:23:02.179,1:23:06.319
abortion in other words to say the

1:23:03.819,1:23:06.319


1:23:03.829,1:23:08.300
contraception is also murder which is a

1:23:06.309,1:23:08.300


1:23:06.319,1:23:10.369
nonsensical and disproportionate

1:23:08.290,1:23:10.369


1:23:08.300,1:23:12.109
position I quote some serious Catholics

1:23:10.359,1:23:12.109


1:23:10.369,1:23:13.939
in my book William F Buckley the late is

1:23:12.099,1:23:13.939


1:23:12.109,1:23:15.349
one Clare Boothe Luce is another by

1:23:13.929,1:23:15.349


1:23:13.939,1:23:16.789
saying if the church says the

1:23:15.339,1:23:16.789


1:23:15.349,1:23:18.589
contraception abortion are morally the

1:23:16.779,1:23:18.589


1:23:16.789,1:23:22.839
same it degrades the opposition to

1:23:18.579,1:23:22.839


1:23:18.589,1:23:25.429
abortion why and by making absurd

1:23:22.829,1:23:25.429


1:23:22.839,1:23:26.989
arguments as it has in the past Aquinas

1:23:25.419,1:23:26.989


1:23:25.429,1:23:29.329
believed that every single sperm

1:23:26.979,1:23:29.329


1:23:26.989,1:23:32.089
contained a micro embryo inside it and

1:23:29.319,1:23:32.089


1:23:29.329,1:23:35.809
thus that if you like I hope hope don't

1:23:32.079,1:23:35.809


1:23:32.089,1:23:40.999
offend anyone handjobs our genocide as

1:23:35.799,1:23:40.999


1:23:35.809,1:23:43.129
for blowjobs don't start that electric

1:23:40.989,1:23:43.129


1:23:40.999,1:23:45.050
pregnancy Adele was a direct threat to

1:23:43.119,1:23:45.050


1:23:43.129,1:23:47.629
the life of the mother fallopian tube

1:23:45.040,1:23:47.629


1:23:45.050,1:23:49.999
pregnancy is instead of a direct threat

1:23:47.619,1:23:49.999


1:23:47.629,1:23:53.089
to the life of the mother and an obvious

1:23:49.989,1:23:53.089


1:23:49.999,1:23:55.909
no starter for a human embryo because

1:23:53.079,1:23:55.909


1:23:53.089,1:23:57.589
that's going anyway is someone who

1:23:55.899,1:23:57.589


1:23:55.909,1:23:58.189
should be allowed to vote this is

1:23:57.579,1:23:58.189


1:23:57.589,1:24:00.589
nonsense

1:23:58.179,1:24:00.589


1:23:58.189,1:24:02.569
it's casuistry it's immoral it's

1:24:00.579,1:24:02.569


1:24:00.589,1:24:04.710
superstition it prevents people from

1:24:02.559,1:24:04.710


1:24:02.569,1:24:06.540
thinking seriously about

1:24:04.700,1:24:06.540


1:24:04.710,1:24:09.090
matters that humanism can decide for

1:24:06.530,1:24:09.090


1:24:06.540,1:24:13.200
itself for heaven's sake without any

1:24:09.080,1:24:13.200


1:24:09.090,1:24:17.160
supernatural intervention your question

1:24:13.190,1:24:17.160


1:24:13.200,1:24:19.230
sir oh well since I probably answered

1:24:17.150,1:24:19.230


1:24:17.160,1:24:21.330
the your last question with a question

1:24:19.220,1:24:21.330


1:24:19.230,1:24:24.469
of my own I'll make it my question to

1:24:21.320,1:24:24.469


1:24:21.330,1:24:29.580
you I'm very keen to know how it is that

1:24:24.459,1:24:29.580


1:24:24.469,1:24:33.000
you in a sense that you dare to say that

1:24:29.570,1:24:33.000


1:24:29.580,1:24:36.600
without a belief in religion I would

1:24:32.990,1:24:36.600


1:24:33.000,1:24:37.260
have no source for ethical or moral now

1:24:36.590,1:24:37.260


1:24:36.600,1:24:42.080
what I'm saying

1:24:37.250,1:24:42.080


1:24:37.260,1:24:44.760
you seem to hint at it now did he not oh

1:24:42.070,1:24:44.760


1:24:42.080,1:24:46.590
I'm not saying you don't know morality

1:24:44.750,1:24:46.590


1:24:44.760,1:24:48.890
Christopher I'm saying you can't justify

1:24:46.580,1:24:48.890


1:24:46.590,1:24:53.700
morality without a being beyond yourself

1:24:48.880,1:24:53.700


1:24:48.890,1:24:57.180
so that just if I okay good so that if I

1:24:53.690,1:24:57.180


1:24:53.700,1:24:59.070
say that for me it's enough to be

1:24:57.170,1:24:59.070


1:24:57.180,1:25:00.630
willing to love my fellow man and

1:24:59.060,1:25:00.630


1:24:59.070,1:25:02.730
perhaps hope that my fellow man and

1:25:00.620,1:25:02.730


1:25:00.630,1:25:07.260
woman will give me some of the same

1:25:02.720,1:25:07.260


1:25:02.730,1:25:13.500
consideration in return and that after

1:25:07.250,1:25:13.500


1:25:07.260,1:25:18.750
all the the Samaritan of whom we've all

1:25:13.490,1:25:18.750


1:25:13.500,1:25:20.480
heard was the only one to help after the

1:25:18.740,1:25:20.480


1:25:18.750,1:25:22.620
priests and the Levites had passed by

1:25:20.470,1:25:22.620


1:25:20.480,1:25:24.300
Anderson Arjun also though he's talked

1:25:22.610,1:25:24.300


1:25:22.620,1:25:26.640
off by Jesus can't have been a Christian

1:25:24.290,1:25:26.640


1:25:24.300,1:25:28.200
because he appears in a story told by

1:25:26.630,1:25:28.200


1:25:26.640,1:25:31.170
Jesus so there can't be any Christianity

1:25:28.190,1:25:31.170


1:25:28.200,1:25:32.550
before that somehow he knew the moral

1:25:31.160,1:25:32.550


1:25:31.170,1:25:34.620
thing to do is to help his fellow person

1:25:32.540,1:25:34.620


1:25:32.550,1:25:36.480
without your religious instruction yes

1:25:34.610,1:25:36.480


1:25:34.620,1:25:37.800
that's actually the whole point of the

1:25:36.470,1:25:37.800


1:25:36.480,1:25:39.330
parable though it's not the way it's

1:25:37.790,1:25:39.330


1:25:37.800,1:25:41.070
usually told and that's what

1:25:39.320,1:25:41.070


1:25:39.330,1:25:42.480
Christianity teaches you know morality

1:25:41.060,1:25:42.480


1:25:41.070,1:25:43.739
it's written on your heart you don't

1:25:42.470,1:25:43.739


1:25:42.480,1:25:46.200
need the scripture to know right from

1:25:43.729,1:25:46.200


1:25:43.739,1:25:48.420
wrong and this was only available to us

1:25:46.190,1:25:48.420


1:25:46.200,1:25:51.000
2,000 years good no no you've known it

1:25:48.410,1:25:51.000


1:25:48.420,1:25:53.070
from the beginning of time conscience

1:25:50.990,1:25:53.070


1:25:51.000,1:25:54.810
has been on humanity from F forever

1:25:53.060,1:25:54.810


1:25:53.070,1:25:57.030
you'll have to let me press you a little

1:25:54.800,1:25:57.030


1:25:54.810,1:25:59.730
bit on that I mean William Gladstone

1:25:57.020,1:25:59.730


1:25:57.030,1:26:01.830
spent a huge amount of his life and he

1:25:59.720,1:26:01.830


1:25:59.730,1:26:05.090
was great scorer of Latin and Greek

1:26:01.820,1:26:05.090


1:26:01.830,1:26:08.430
showing that every one of the Greek

1:26:05.080,1:26:08.430


1:26:05.090,1:26:10.320
Socratic and other moral precepts all

1:26:08.420,1:26:10.320


1:26:08.430,1:26:11.820
they were were just pre figurations of

1:26:10.310,1:26:11.820


1:26:10.320,1:26:15.290
Christianity these are the best the

1:26:11.810,1:26:15.290


1:26:11.820,1:26:18.160
Greeks could do before Jesus arrived

1:26:15.280,1:26:18.160


1:26:15.290,1:26:19.970
we didn't face the idea that these

1:26:18.150,1:26:19.970


1:26:18.160,1:26:22.010
solidarities and moralities and

1:26:19.960,1:26:22.010


1:26:19.970,1:26:24.080
understandings are in asian people and

1:26:22.000,1:26:24.080


1:26:22.010,1:26:25.850
don't require divine permission I just

1:26:24.070,1:26:25.850


1:26:24.080,1:26:27.530
have to ask you if you could do it

1:26:25.840,1:26:27.530


1:26:25.850,1:26:29.270
plainly which side do you come down on

1:26:27.520,1:26:29.270


1:26:27.530,1:26:32.390
do you think we need divine permission

1:26:29.260,1:26:32.390


1:26:29.270,1:26:33.920
to act humanely to each other no it has

1:26:32.380,1:26:33.920


1:26:32.390,1:26:36.590
nothing to do with permission it has to

1:26:33.910,1:26:36.590


1:26:33.920,1:26:39.110
do with the ontological category known

1:26:36.580,1:26:39.110


1:26:36.590,1:26:40.430
as morality where does morality come

1:26:39.100,1:26:40.430


1:26:39.110,1:26:42.740
from does it come from the benzene

1:26:40.420,1:26:42.740


1:26:40.430,1:26:45.050
molecule the carbon molecule the oxygen

1:26:42.730,1:26:45.050


1:26:42.740,1:26:47.570
molecule in your world here where does

1:26:45.040,1:26:47.570


1:26:45.050,1:26:50.120
it come from suppose that we were having

1:26:47.560,1:26:50.120


1:26:47.570,1:26:52.970
this discussion before the existence of

1:26:50.110,1:26:52.970


1:26:50.120,1:26:55.400
molecules was understood it's a relevant

1:26:52.960,1:26:55.400


1:26:52.970,1:26:57.560
name it's not because the the discussion

1:26:55.390,1:26:57.560


1:26:55.400,1:27:00.130
about where does the good come from was

1:26:57.550,1:27:00.130


1:26:57.560,1:27:04.090
being conducted before Lucretius

1:27:00.120,1:27:04.090


1:27:00.130,1:27:06.800
developed the atomic theory before um

1:27:04.080,1:27:06.800


1:27:04.090,1:27:08.510
Democritus and Epicurus I should better

1:27:06.790,1:27:08.510


1:27:06.800,1:27:10.430
say understood that the whole world was

1:27:08.500,1:27:10.430


1:27:08.510,1:27:12.800
made up of atoms and molecules before

1:27:10.420,1:27:12.800


1:27:10.430,1:27:16.760
that was known people were arguing why

1:27:12.790,1:27:16.760


1:27:12.800,1:27:18.740
do we behave one way to our fellows and

1:27:16.750,1:27:18.740


1:27:16.760,1:27:20.180
we call it good and another way and we

1:27:18.730,1:27:20.180


1:27:18.740,1:27:21.980
call it work it because it's written

1:27:20.170,1:27:21.980


1:27:20.180,1:27:23.510
like that you can't I don't think you

1:27:21.970,1:27:23.510


1:27:21.980,1:27:26.180
can build in a molecular distraction

1:27:23.500,1:27:26.180


1:27:23.510,1:27:29.090
that's it I don't have the molecular

1:27:26.170,1:27:29.090


1:27:26.180,1:27:30.560
problem you do it's your materialist I'm

1:27:29.080,1:27:30.560


1:27:29.090,1:27:33.140
trying to ask you where does morality

1:27:30.550,1:27:33.140


1:27:30.560,1:27:34.700
come from in a materialistic worldview

1:27:33.130,1:27:34.700


1:27:33.140,1:27:36.410
well did I not just acquit myself of

1:27:34.690,1:27:36.410


1:27:34.700,1:27:38.900
that charge and say that the argument

1:27:36.400,1:27:38.900


1:27:36.410,1:27:40.670
precedes the knowledge of the atomic and

1:27:38.890,1:27:40.670


1:27:38.900,1:27:42.590
molecular structure no it doesn't no not

1:27:40.660,1:27:42.590


1:27:40.670,1:27:44.240
that I think by the way that the atomic

1:27:42.580,1:27:44.240


1:27:42.590,1:27:45.830
and molecular structure is irrelevant

1:27:44.230,1:27:45.830


1:27:44.240,1:27:49.220
and it could be that we might find out

1:27:45.820,1:27:49.220


1:27:45.830,1:27:53.150
that there are who knows pheromones or

1:27:49.210,1:27:53.150


1:27:49.220,1:27:56.060
this other phenomena that do have an

1:27:53.140,1:27:56.060


1:27:53.150,1:27:58.520
influence on our moral conditioning this

1:27:56.050,1:27:58.520


1:27:56.060,1:28:00.620
still wouldn't to a morally normal

1:27:58.510,1:28:00.620


1:27:58.520,1:28:04.180
person relieve them of the

1:28:00.610,1:28:04.180


1:28:00.620,1:28:06.710
responsibility leg that I I feel I know

1:28:04.170,1:28:06.710


1:28:04.180,1:28:09.200
what's right I feel that some things my

1:28:06.700,1:28:09.200


1:28:06.710,1:28:11.450
children don't need to be told they

1:28:09.190,1:28:11.450


1:28:09.200,1:28:13.220
already know let me let me let me

1:28:11.440,1:28:13.220


1:28:11.450,1:28:15.350
interject here and just ask a question

1:28:13.210,1:28:15.350


1:28:13.220,1:28:18.410
another way you are asked to tell a

1:28:15.340,1:28:18.410


1:28:15.350,1:28:19.640
child you you go to this church which

1:28:18.400,1:28:19.640


1:28:18.410,1:28:21.410
means you'll go to heaven but your

1:28:19.630,1:28:21.410


1:28:19.640,1:28:23.390
little playmates don't go to that church

1:28:21.400,1:28:23.390


1:28:21.410,1:28:25.940
and therefore will go to hell

1:28:23.380,1:28:25.940


1:28:23.390,1:28:28.460
seems to me to be an unpleasant thing to

1:28:25.930,1:28:28.460


1:28:25.940,1:28:30.830
be saying but bless that is maybe I

1:28:28.450,1:28:30.830


1:28:28.460,1:28:32.090
in a minority that that could be an

1:28:30.820,1:28:32.090


1:28:30.830,1:28:34.670
unpleasant thing but how do you

1:28:32.080,1:28:34.670


1:28:32.090,1:28:36.200
dimension evil the--what's calling me

1:28:34.660,1:28:36.200


1:28:34.670,1:28:39.110
risks aren't only a religious person

1:28:36.190,1:28:39.110


1:28:36.200,1:28:44.410
would dream of saying let's call it evil

1:28:39.100,1:28:44.410


1:28:39.110,1:28:44.410
where does evil come from religion

1:28:50.089,1:28:50.089


1:28:50.099,1:28:55.409
and Maru our actual CEO next question

1:28:53.089,1:28:55.409


1:28:53.099,1:28:57.690
morality comes from humanism and is

1:28:55.399,1:28:57.690


1:28:55.409,1:28:59.429
stolen by religion for its own purpose

1:28:57.680,1:28:59.429


1:28:57.690,1:29:02.460
humanism cording to who Hitler Mussolini

1:28:59.419,1:29:02.460


1:28:59.429,1:29:05.159
Stalin who you saying that Hitler was

1:29:02.450,1:29:05.159


1:29:02.460,1:29:08.190
the humanist just Hitchens

1:29:05.149,1:29:08.190


1:29:05.159,1:29:11.760
I've lived to hear it said Hitchens had

1:29:08.180,1:29:11.760


1:29:08.190,1:29:13.530
been in Virginia Hitler was a Catholic

1:29:11.750,1:29:13.530


1:29:11.760,1:29:15.239
you men are you know as a Catholic so

1:29:13.520,1:29:15.239


1:29:13.530,1:29:19.369
Hitler was a Catholic says muscle in it

1:29:15.229,1:29:19.369


1:29:15.239,1:29:23.790
give me a how how does morality exists

1:29:19.359,1:29:23.790


1:29:19.369,1:29:26.010
my opinion you know official border with

1:29:23.780,1:29:26.010


1:29:23.790,1:29:27.659
the Protestant Catholic churches both of

1:29:26.000,1:29:27.659


1:29:26.010,1:29:30.210
them wanted the worship of themselves as

1:29:27.649,1:29:30.210


1:29:27.659,1:29:32.210
well as of God so I suppose no evil

1:29:30.200,1:29:32.210


1:29:30.210,1:29:35.159
coming later and their third main ally

1:29:32.200,1:29:35.159


1:29:32.210,1:29:37.020
Hirohito the Emperor of Japan not

1:29:35.149,1:29:37.020


1:29:35.159,1:29:39.929
content just to be theocratic was

1:29:37.010,1:29:39.929


1:29:37.020,1:29:41.550
himself a god so anyone who says the

1:29:39.919,1:29:41.550


1:29:39.929,1:29:44.190
fascism and Nazism was secular

1:29:41.540,1:29:44.190


1:29:41.550,1:29:53.400
he's an ignoramus why is it not gigantic

1:29:44.180,1:29:53.400


1:29:44.190,1:29:54.840
scale I'm asking it ontological question

1:29:53.390,1:29:54.840


1:29:53.400,1:29:56.429
I know as being older Hitler right

1:29:54.830,1:29:56.429


1:29:54.840,1:30:01.079
because I'm a humanist I'm not asking a

1:29:56.419,1:30:01.079


1:29:56.429,1:30:02.429
sociological arrestin all right let me

1:30:01.069,1:30:02.429


1:30:01.079,1:30:06.750
ask a question another way this is my

1:30:02.419,1:30:06.750


1:30:02.429,1:30:08.190
last question if God does not exist why

1:30:06.740,1:30:08.190


1:30:06.750,1:30:09.960
do all people have a fixed moral

1:30:08.180,1:30:09.960


1:30:08.190,1:30:12.179
obligation to love and not murder

1:30:09.950,1:30:12.179


1:30:09.960,1:30:13.650
how do molecules in motion have any

1:30:12.169,1:30:13.650


1:30:12.179,1:30:15.659
authority to tell you how to behave

1:30:13.640,1:30:15.659


1:30:13.650,1:30:17.219
when you do something wrong whose

1:30:15.649,1:30:17.219


1:30:15.659,1:30:19.860
standard are you breaking who are you

1:30:17.209,1:30:19.860


1:30:17.219,1:30:23.099
displeasing the carbon atom the benzene

1:30:19.850,1:30:23.099


1:30:19.860,1:30:24.960
benzene molecule who this question has

1:30:23.089,1:30:24.960


1:30:23.099,1:30:26.790
been asked at the Socrates answered it

1:30:24.950,1:30:26.790


1:30:24.960,1:30:33.780
like this when he was on trial for his

1:30:26.780,1:30:33.780


1:30:26.790,1:30:36.150
life accused of blasphemy by the way he

1:30:33.770,1:30:36.150


1:30:33.780,1:30:37.679
said that he had an inner game on the

1:30:36.140,1:30:37.679


1:30:36.150,1:30:40.440
way he put it not demon the demon a

1:30:37.669,1:30:40.440


1:30:37.679,1:30:42.780
spirit a an inner critic a conscience

1:30:40.430,1:30:42.780


1:30:40.440,1:30:45.510
would be one way for him and that he he

1:30:42.770,1:30:45.510


1:30:42.780,1:30:48.090
knew enough to know even when he was

1:30:45.500,1:30:48.090


1:30:45.510,1:30:49.260
making the best speech of his life that

1:30:48.080,1:30:49.260


1:30:48.090,1:30:52.920
if he was making a point that was

1:30:49.250,1:30:52.920


1:30:49.260,1:30:55.079
somehow dishonest or incomplete or shady

1:30:52.910,1:30:55.079


1:30:52.920,1:30:58.289
the Damon whatever yeah that was clever

1:30:55.069,1:30:58.289


1:30:55.079,1:31:01.199
but you shouldn't have tried it he knew

1:30:58.279,1:31:01.199


1:30:58.289,1:31:05.309
any any person of average moral

1:31:01.189,1:31:05.309


1:31:01.199,1:31:07.800
equipment has the same knowledge I hope

1:31:05.299,1:31:07.800


1:31:05.309,1:31:10.440
you'll if you don't I'm very sorry for

1:31:07.790,1:31:10.440


1:31:07.800,1:31:13.320
you Adam Smith are called it the

1:31:10.430,1:31:13.320


1:31:10.440,1:31:16.949
internal witness who we all have to have

1:31:13.310,1:31:16.949


1:31:13.320,1:31:19.500
a conversation with all the time it's

1:31:16.939,1:31:19.500


1:31:16.949,1:31:21.960
been CS Lewis decided to call it

1:31:19.490,1:31:21.960


1:31:19.500,1:31:23.400
conscience and to attribute it to the to

1:31:21.950,1:31:23.400


1:31:21.960,1:31:25.110
the divine but he didn't improve on what

1:31:23.390,1:31:25.110


1:31:23.400,1:31:27.269
Adam Smith said in Theory of Moral

1:31:25.100,1:31:27.269


1:31:25.110,1:31:30.000
Sentiments or what Socrates said went on

1:31:27.259,1:31:30.000


1:31:27.269,1:31:31.440
when standing trial for his own for his

1:31:29.990,1:31:31.440


1:31:30.000,1:31:33.570
own life it's something sometimes

1:31:31.430,1:31:33.570


1:31:31.440,1:31:36.150
colloquially defined as why do people

1:31:33.560,1:31:36.150


1:31:33.570,1:31:37.889
behave well when nobody is looking I

1:31:36.140,1:31:37.889


1:31:36.150,1:31:39.750
don't believe there's anyone in this

1:31:37.879,1:31:39.750


1:31:37.889,1:31:41.869
Hall who doesn't know what I mean by

1:31:39.740,1:31:41.869


1:31:39.750,1:31:44.429
that why when it won't do you any good

1:31:41.859,1:31:44.429


1:31:41.869,1:31:46.139
will you decide I could have kept that

1:31:44.419,1:31:46.139


1:31:44.429,1:31:47.489
wallet I found on the back of the cab

1:31:46.129,1:31:47.489


1:31:46.139,1:31:49.920
see but I'm not going to I'm going to

1:31:47.479,1:31:49.920


1:31:47.489,1:31:52.320
turn it in I'm going to see if find find

1:31:49.910,1:31:52.320


1:31:49.920,1:31:54.619
its real possessive there are people to

1:31:52.310,1:31:54.619


1:31:52.320,1:31:57.570
whom that those thoughts do not occur

1:31:54.609,1:31:57.570


1:31:54.619,1:31:59.280
who are deaf to that idea who only think

1:31:57.560,1:31:59.280


1:31:57.570,1:32:02.300
of themselves who wouldn't worry about

1:31:59.270,1:32:02.300


1:31:59.280,1:32:05.280
the internal game on or censor or Oh

1:32:02.290,1:32:05.280


1:32:02.300,1:32:08.239
companion and there are of course people

1:32:05.270,1:32:08.239


1:32:05.280,1:32:11.309
who only get pleasure from being

1:32:08.229,1:32:11.309


1:32:08.239,1:32:13.710
unpleasant to other people in inflicting

1:32:11.299,1:32:13.710


1:32:11.309,1:32:15.989
cruelty on them the first group we call

1:32:13.700,1:32:15.989


1:32:13.710,1:32:18.329
the sociopathic in the second group we

1:32:15.979,1:32:18.329


1:32:15.989,1:32:21.300
call the psychopathic my only plan they

1:32:18.319,1:32:21.300


1:32:18.329,1:32:22.440
occur in nature and in society my only

1:32:21.290,1:32:22.440


1:32:21.300,1:32:24.840
problem is with those who think that

1:32:22.430,1:32:24.840


1:32:22.440,1:32:27.090
they're all made in the image of God the

1:32:24.830,1:32:27.090


1:32:24.840,1:32:30.119
one explanation that absolutely doesn't

1:32:27.080,1:32:30.119


1:32:27.090,1:32:32.190
work at all that gets you nowhere

1:32:30.109,1:32:32.190


1:32:30.119,1:32:34.289
that explains nothing Christopher it's

1:32:32.180,1:32:34.289


1:32:32.190,1:32:36.960
your turn to ask oh really yes sir

1:32:34.279,1:32:36.960


1:32:34.289,1:32:38.340
well my question is this would anyone in

1:32:36.950,1:32:38.340


1:32:36.960,1:32:40.590
the audience like to join this

1:32:38.330,1:32:40.590


1:32:38.340,1:32:41.699
conversation we actually have we have

1:32:40.580,1:32:41.699


1:32:40.590,1:32:45.900
questions if you're ready to move along

1:32:41.689,1:32:45.900


1:32:41.699,1:32:48.510
yeah I am there are a couple of

1:32:45.890,1:32:48.510


1:32:45.900,1:32:49.829
questions a lot with several similar

1:32:48.500,1:32:49.829


1:32:48.510,1:32:51.239
questions the board onto a couple of

1:32:49.819,1:32:51.239


1:32:49.829,1:32:54.510
questions for each of you and then one

1:32:51.229,1:32:54.510


1:32:51.239,1:32:56.460
that I'll end with that I think is an

1:32:54.500,1:32:56.460


1:32:54.510,1:32:58.739
important one to address to both of you

1:32:56.450,1:32:58.739


1:32:56.460,1:33:01.429
since you gave your turn away mr.

1:32:58.729,1:33:01.429


1:32:58.739,1:33:03.900
Hitchens I'll ask you first if the

1:33:01.419,1:33:03.900


1:33:01.429,1:33:08.790
questioner asks if God does not exist

1:33:03.890,1:33:08.790


1:33:03.900,1:33:11.220
what then is the purpose of life well

1:33:08.780,1:33:11.220


1:33:08.790,1:33:12.390
I can only answer for myself what cheers

1:33:11.210,1:33:12.390


1:33:11.220,1:33:15.780
me up

1:33:12.380,1:33:15.780


1:33:12.390,1:33:23.820
I suppose mainly gloating over the

1:33:15.770,1:33:23.820


1:33:15.780,1:33:25.680
misfortunes of other people I guess then

1:33:23.810,1:33:25.680


1:33:23.820,1:33:27.480
and you say evil come from religion

1:33:25.670,1:33:27.480


1:33:25.680,1:33:30.630
master I guess that has to be I think

1:33:27.470,1:33:30.630


1:33:27.480,1:33:34.860
you're mainly crowing over the miseries

1:33:30.620,1:33:34.860


1:33:30.630,1:33:38.670
of others it doesn't always work but it

1:33:34.850,1:33:38.670


1:33:34.860,1:33:43.860
never completely fails and then and then

1:33:38.660,1:33:43.860


1:33:38.670,1:33:46.890
there's irony there's irony and which is

1:33:43.850,1:33:46.890


1:33:43.860,1:33:52.500
the gin in the Campari the cream in the

1:33:46.880,1:33:52.500


1:33:46.890,1:33:58.110
coffee sex can have diminishing returns

1:33:52.490,1:33:58.110


1:33:52.500,1:33:59.430
but it's amazing ah no that's pretty

1:33:58.100,1:33:59.430


1:33:58.110,1:34:01.610
much it there is a clear run to the

1:33:59.420,1:34:01.610


1:33:59.430,1:34:01.610
grave

1:34:10.660,1:34:10.660


1:34:10.670,1:34:18.600
dr. Turek yes do i you want me to answer

1:34:14.960,1:34:18.600


1:34:14.970,1:34:21.450
that or not somebody else if

1:34:18.590,1:34:21.450


1:34:18.600,1:34:23.520
Christianity is true then why aren't the

1:34:21.440,1:34:23.520


1:34:21.450,1:34:25.680
differences that Jesus makes in the

1:34:23.510,1:34:25.680


1:34:23.520,1:34:28.260
lives of Christians more powerful or

1:34:25.670,1:34:28.260


1:34:25.680,1:34:31.380
evident than the impact other religions

1:34:28.250,1:34:31.380


1:34:28.260,1:34:32.700
make on their adherents I don't know if

1:34:31.370,1:34:32.700


1:34:31.380,1:34:35.040
I accept the premise of the question

1:34:32.690,1:34:35.040


1:34:32.700,1:34:36.900
well the the questioner adds Gandhi was

1:34:35.030,1:34:36.900


1:34:35.040,1:34:38.940
every bit as influential as any

1:34:36.890,1:34:38.940


1:34:36.900,1:34:40.440
Christian yeah that's true and that's

1:34:38.930,1:34:40.440


1:34:38.940,1:34:41.820
one of the problems with Christianity

1:34:40.430,1:34:41.820


1:34:40.440,1:34:45.480
the biggest problem with Christianity's

1:34:41.810,1:34:45.480


1:34:41.820,1:34:46.770
Christians I admit it but the question

1:34:45.470,1:34:46.770


1:34:45.480,1:34:48.930
tonight but the question is asking a

1:34:46.760,1:34:48.930


1:34:46.770,1:34:51.660
more central question which is if this

1:34:48.920,1:34:51.660


1:34:48.930,1:34:54.960
is the truth yes why then doesn't that

1:34:51.650,1:34:54.960


1:34:51.660,1:34:57.840
truth by the weight of its infinite

1:34:54.950,1:34:57.840


1:34:54.960,1:35:00.000
being cause its adherence to behave in a

1:34:57.830,1:35:00.000


1:34:57.840,1:35:02.130
way that we can all notice well I think

1:34:59.990,1:35:02.130


1:35:00.000,1:35:03.840
you can notice it several Christians I

1:35:02.120,1:35:03.840


1:35:02.130,1:35:05.640
think Christians for years have been the

1:35:03.830,1:35:05.640


1:35:03.840,1:35:07.380
ones that have built hospitals and cared

1:35:05.630,1:35:07.380


1:35:05.640,1:35:08.880
for the poor and cared for the weak and

1:35:07.370,1:35:08.880


1:35:07.380,1:35:11.190
the sick so I think it does make a

1:35:08.870,1:35:11.190


1:35:08.880,1:35:12.420
difference my problem which is part of

1:35:11.180,1:35:12.420


1:35:11.190,1:35:14.220
the problem that the questioner is

1:35:12.410,1:35:14.220


1:35:12.420,1:35:15.240
asking is why doesn't it have this

1:35:14.210,1:35:15.240


1:35:14.220,1:35:17.130
effect on everyone

1:35:15.230,1:35:17.130


1:35:15.240,1:35:19.050
and I'll throw a little Christian

1:35:17.120,1:35:19.050


1:35:17.130,1:35:20.490
theology in here the problem is isn't

1:35:19.040,1:35:20.490


1:35:19.050,1:35:22.470
that we don't have all the whole court

1:35:20.480,1:35:22.470


1:35:20.490,1:35:25.050
if we don't have all the Holy Spirit we

1:35:22.460,1:35:25.050


1:35:22.470,1:35:27.060
do we just don't allow all the Holy

1:35:25.040,1:35:27.060


1:35:25.050,1:35:29.790
Spirit to do what it should do it's our

1:35:27.050,1:35:29.790


1:35:27.060,1:35:32.070
problem we are fallen human beings and

1:35:29.780,1:35:32.070


1:35:29.790,1:35:34.050
that's why Christ had to come because we

1:35:32.060,1:35:34.050


1:35:32.070,1:35:35.310
are fallen human beings and has to come

1:35:34.040,1:35:35.310


1:35:34.050,1:35:39.420
again because he didn't get it right the

1:35:35.300,1:35:39.420


1:35:35.310,1:35:41.820
first time I agree I agree with you that

1:35:39.410,1:35:41.820


1:35:39.420,1:35:43.710
the grammar the question is wrong but

1:35:41.810,1:35:43.710


1:35:41.820,1:35:46.440
for different reason I don't see what's

1:35:43.700,1:35:46.440


1:35:43.710,1:35:49.290
moral about Christian preaching for

1:35:46.430,1:35:49.290


1:35:46.440,1:35:51.330
example apart from the horrible idea of

1:35:49.280,1:35:51.330


1:35:49.290,1:35:53.970
vicarious Redemption

1:35:51.320,1:35:53.970


1:35:51.330,1:35:56.070
I'll say again in case I missed you the

1:35:53.960,1:35:56.070


1:35:53.970,1:35:57.780
first time what I mean by that I could

1:35:56.060,1:35:57.780


1:35:56.070,1:35:59.880
pay your debt even if I didn't know you

1:35:57.770,1:35:59.880


1:35:57.780,1:36:02.370
if I was a friend you're in debt I'll

1:35:59.870,1:36:02.370


1:35:59.880,1:36:04.110
pay in extreme cases people to be known

1:36:02.360,1:36:04.110


1:36:02.370,1:36:05.730
to sale serve your sentence in prison I

1:36:04.100,1:36:05.730


1:36:04.110,1:36:07.080
could do that for you what I cannot do

1:36:05.720,1:36:07.080


1:36:05.730,1:36:09.840
is relieve you of your responsibility I

1:36:07.070,1:36:09.840


1:36:07.080,1:36:12.720
can't say throw your sins on me they'll

1:36:09.830,1:36:12.720


1:36:09.840,1:36:14.100
melt away immoral people not allowed to

1:36:12.710,1:36:14.100


1:36:12.720,1:36:16.110
be you know entitled to be relieved with

1:36:14.090,1:36:16.110


1:36:14.100,1:36:18.210
their responsibilities and the vicarious

1:36:16.100,1:36:18.210


1:36:16.110,1:36:20.219
Redemption by human sacrifice is a very

1:36:18.200,1:36:20.219


1:36:18.210,1:36:22.769
primitive and horrible scape

1:36:20.209,1:36:22.769


1:36:20.219,1:36:23.820
urging idea that belongs to the barbaric

1:36:22.759,1:36:23.820


1:36:22.769,1:36:26.010
period of human history

1:36:23.810,1:36:26.010


1:36:23.820,1:36:27.360
so all pardons are immoral so no knodel

1:36:26.000,1:36:27.360


1:36:26.010,1:36:29.309
pardons I didn't say that I said

1:36:27.350,1:36:29.309


1:36:27.360,1:36:32.550
vicarious Redemption is an immoral

1:36:29.299,1:36:32.550


1:36:29.309,1:36:35.150
doctor it's also immoral of the Nazarene

1:36:32.540,1:36:35.150


1:36:32.550,1:36:37.889
to say take no thought for the morrow

1:36:35.140,1:36:37.889


1:36:35.150,1:36:39.719
not to clothe not to eat not to invest

1:36:37.879,1:36:39.719


1:36:37.889,1:36:42.809
leave your family leave your children

1:36:39.709,1:36:42.809


1:36:39.719,1:36:46.289
leave everything give up the world no

1:36:42.799,1:36:46.289


1:36:42.809,1:36:46.739
investment no thrift no thought for the

1:36:46.279,1:36:46.739


1:36:46.289,1:36:48.749
future

1:36:46.729,1:36:48.749


1:36:46.739,1:36:53.670
just follow me I think that's only moral

1:36:48.739,1:36:53.670


1:36:48.749,1:36:55.590
if if you are sure believer in the idea

1:36:53.660,1:36:55.590


1:36:53.670,1:36:58.469
the world is about to come to an end

1:36:55.580,1:36:58.469


1:36:55.590,1:37:00.059
which was the case with this apocalyptic

1:36:58.459,1:37:00.059


1:36:58.469,1:37:05.130
I guess you never read the power of the

1:37:00.049,1:37:05.130


1:37:00.059,1:37:07.139
talents he said the the prophecy is that

1:37:05.120,1:37:07.139


1:37:05.130,1:37:09.179
the world is coming to an end real soon

1:37:07.129,1:37:09.179


1:37:07.139,1:37:10.679
there's no point in caring about

1:37:09.169,1:37:10.679


1:37:09.179,1:37:14.010
anything else that's not a moral

1:37:10.669,1:37:14.010


1:37:10.679,1:37:15.630
preaching to me at all there are many

1:37:14.000,1:37:15.630


1:37:14.010,1:37:17.820
other ways in which I fail to see how

1:37:15.620,1:37:17.820


1:37:15.630,1:37:19.650
any bad behavior can ever be described

1:37:17.810,1:37:19.650


1:37:17.820,1:37:21.239
as unchristian and of course it's

1:37:19.640,1:37:21.239


1:37:19.650,1:37:23.460
completely laughable to say Christians

1:37:21.229,1:37:23.460


1:37:21.239,1:37:25.469
build hospitals they've just many

1:37:23.450,1:37:25.469


1:37:23.460,1:37:27.510
Christians have bombed hospitals have

1:37:25.459,1:37:27.510


1:37:25.469,1:37:29.489
built them and as many Muslims have

1:37:27.500,1:37:29.489


1:37:27.510,1:37:32.880
built hospitals as Christians have and

1:37:29.479,1:37:32.880


1:37:29.489,1:37:34.710
as many Babylonians have built great

1:37:32.870,1:37:34.710


1:37:32.880,1:37:36.449
buildings as Christians have if that's

1:37:34.700,1:37:36.449


1:37:34.710,1:37:40.590
the best you can do that's the best you

1:37:36.439,1:37:40.590


1:37:36.449,1:37:44.309
can do one of the questioners repeats a

1:37:40.580,1:37:44.309


1:37:40.590,1:37:45.809
a point from dr. Turks opening statement

1:37:44.299,1:37:45.809


1:37:44.309,1:37:48.659
to that apparently here she feels you

1:37:45.799,1:37:48.659


1:37:45.809,1:37:51.329
did not address mr. Hitchens about the

1:37:48.649,1:37:51.329


1:37:48.659,1:37:53.699
irreducible complexity of DNA and is it

1:37:51.319,1:37:53.699


1:37:51.329,1:37:57.869
possible for such structures to have

1:37:53.689,1:37:57.869


1:37:53.699,1:37:59.369
formed by chance well though - I have

1:37:57.859,1:37:59.369


1:37:57.869,1:38:01.940
two responses to that one is what would

1:37:59.359,1:38:01.940


1:37:59.369,1:38:05.330
she have said before she knew about DNA

1:38:01.930,1:38:05.330


1:38:01.940,1:38:07.400
what does that have to do with anything

1:38:05.320,1:38:07.400


1:38:05.330,1:38:08.720
we're just existed prior to anyone

1:38:07.390,1:38:08.720


1:38:07.400,1:38:10.700
knowing about them yes

1:38:08.710,1:38:10.700


1:38:08.720,1:38:11.810
it's gravity existed before we knew

1:38:10.690,1:38:11.810


1:38:10.700,1:38:13.430
about it that's true you need an

1:38:11.800,1:38:13.430


1:38:11.810,1:38:14.840
explanation right and Christianity

1:38:13.420,1:38:14.840


1:38:13.430,1:38:17.150
thought it could explain everything and

1:38:14.830,1:38:17.150


1:38:14.840,1:38:19.010
then it fell not everything's wait this

1:38:17.140,1:38:19.010


1:38:17.150,1:38:21.380
very simple same as your point about

1:38:19.000,1:38:21.380


1:38:19.010,1:38:24.260
molecules that I said these arguments

1:38:21.370,1:38:24.260


1:38:21.380,1:38:26.450
predate Epicurus Lucretius and the

1:38:24.250,1:38:26.450


1:38:24.260,1:38:28.460
atomic theory christianity used to say

1:38:26.440,1:38:28.460


1:38:26.450,1:38:29.810
can explain everything it is all you

1:38:28.450,1:38:29.810


1:38:28.460,1:38:31.670
need to know is there's no powerful or

1:38:29.800,1:38:31.670


1:38:29.810,1:38:33.770
loving or intervening all-knowing

1:38:31.660,1:38:33.770


1:38:31.670,1:38:36.170
omniscient God

1:38:33.760,1:38:36.170


1:38:33.770,1:38:37.970
okay well then wait wouldn't DNA explain

1:38:36.160,1:38:37.970


1:38:36.170,1:38:40.340
more ah well that only shows that God's

1:38:37.960,1:38:40.340


1:38:37.970,1:38:42.950
even cleverer than we thought so it's an

1:38:40.330,1:38:42.950


1:38:40.340,1:38:45.680
infinitely expanding tautology

1:38:42.940,1:38:45.680


1:38:42.950,1:38:47.210
there are many of the some Christians

1:38:45.670,1:38:47.210


1:38:45.680,1:38:49.550
who accept in fact it was actually a

1:38:47.200,1:38:49.550


1:38:47.210,1:38:52.730
catholic physicist at the University of

1:38:49.540,1:38:52.730


1:38:49.550,1:38:53.960
Leuven in Belgium who first came up with

1:38:52.720,1:38:53.960


1:38:52.730,1:38:58.160
the idea of what we now call the Big

1:38:53.950,1:38:58.160


1:38:53.960,1:38:59.900
Bang and most Pope's not all most Pope's

1:38:58.150,1:38:59.900


1:38:58.160,1:39:02.120
have accepted it someone thought of it

1:38:59.890,1:39:02.120


1:38:59.900,1:39:04.010
as a challenge to Christianity the Pope

1:39:02.110,1:39:04.010


1:39:02.120,1:39:05.390
Leo who he went to the I can't remember

1:39:04.000,1:39:05.390


1:39:04.010,1:39:07.910
the scientists name for a second maybe

1:39:05.380,1:39:07.910


1:39:05.390,1:39:09.950
someone here can help me he went to the

1:39:07.900,1:39:09.950


1:39:07.910,1:39:11.570
Pope said look that looks like this is

1:39:09.940,1:39:11.570


1:39:09.950,1:39:13.580
how things started the Pope said if you

1:39:11.560,1:39:13.580


1:39:11.570,1:39:15.830
like I'll make it a dogma that every

1:39:13.570,1:39:15.830


1:39:13.580,1:39:17.390
Catholic has to believe it said that

1:39:15.820,1:39:17.390


1:39:15.830,1:39:19.880
would be slightly missing the point your

1:39:17.380,1:39:19.880


1:39:17.390,1:39:22.010
holiness as for what it is they do with

1:39:19.870,1:39:22.010


1:39:19.880,1:39:25.690
the origin to be ended well because the

1:39:22.000,1:39:25.690


1:39:22.010,1:39:28.040
it is true to say that religion as

1:39:25.680,1:39:28.040


1:39:25.690,1:39:30.560
Stephen Jay Gould said the religion and

1:39:28.030,1:39:30.560


1:39:28.040,1:39:33.200
science belonged to non-overlapping

1:39:30.550,1:39:33.200


1:39:30.560,1:39:35.810
magisteria I think these magisteria are

1:39:33.190,1:39:35.810


1:39:33.200,1:39:38.660
in many ways incompatible and in many

1:39:35.800,1:39:38.660


1:39:35.810,1:39:40.970
ways irreconcilable but it is no more

1:39:38.650,1:39:40.970


1:39:38.660,1:39:44.120
true to say that the existence of the

1:39:40.960,1:39:44.120


1:39:40.970,1:39:46.520
complexity of DNA shows that God was

1:39:44.110,1:39:46.520


1:39:44.120,1:39:48.470
more ingenious than we thought than it

1:39:46.510,1:39:48.470


1:39:46.520,1:39:51.530
is to say that it necessarily shows by

1:39:48.460,1:39:51.530


1:39:48.470,1:39:54.380
its self revealing ingenuity that we

1:39:51.520,1:39:54.380


1:39:51.530,1:39:55.730
don't need the hypothesis of God both of

1:39:54.370,1:39:55.730


1:39:54.380,1:39:58.280
these positions would be in my opinion

1:39:55.720,1:39:58.280


1:39:55.730,1:40:00.470
somewhat reductionist though I would

1:39:58.270,1:40:00.470


1:39:58.280,1:40:02.210
have to say that I think the second one

1:40:00.460,1:40:02.210


1:40:00.470,1:40:04.300
is more persuasive and more elegant

1:40:02.200,1:40:04.300


1:40:02.210,1:40:07.520
now Gould is wrong will that do

1:40:04.290,1:40:07.520


1:40:04.300,1:40:09.170
Christians or religious people religion

1:40:07.510,1:40:09.170


1:40:07.520,1:40:10.850
is trying to find out what how the

1:40:09.160,1:40:10.850


1:40:09.170,1:40:12.890
universe began it's always science

1:40:10.840,1:40:12.890


1:40:10.850,1:40:14.900
they're not no religion says it does no

1:40:12.880,1:40:14.900


1:40:12.890,1:40:16.420
excuse me it's try it drives can also

1:40:14.890,1:40:16.420


1:40:14.900,1:40:19.390
process of scientific and

1:40:16.410,1:40:19.390


1:40:16.420,1:40:22.090
religion is an affirmation of faith it

1:40:19.380,1:40:22.090


1:40:19.390,1:40:24.429
says a radius person Christopher says it

1:40:22.080,1:40:24.429


1:40:22.090,1:40:26.199
always be evidence to try and point out

1:40:24.419,1:40:26.199


1:40:24.429,1:40:28.000
that the universe exploded into being

1:40:26.189,1:40:28.000


1:40:26.199,1:40:29.050
out of nothing and you have scientific

1:40:27.990,1:40:29.050


1:40:28.000,1:40:30.670
evidence for the view that an

1:40:29.040,1:40:30.670


1:40:29.050,1:40:33.219
intervention will occur to prevent the

1:40:30.660,1:40:33.219


1:40:30.670,1:40:35.730
implosion and don't forget that ah let's

1:40:33.209,1:40:35.730


1:40:33.219,1:40:38.260
start at the beginning I can't forget it

1:40:35.720,1:40:38.260


1:40:35.730,1:40:40.179
let's start at the beginning there may

1:40:38.250,1:40:40.179


1:40:38.260,1:40:45.400
be anything you've said all evening I'm

1:40:40.169,1:40:45.400


1:40:40.179,1:40:48.969
going to remember Joe that's for debate

1:40:45.390,1:40:48.969


1:40:45.400,1:40:51.370
- no no I mean don't say you what here

1:40:48.959,1:40:51.370


1:40:48.969,1:40:54.610
do yourself do yourself your faith the

1:40:51.360,1:40:54.610


1:40:51.370,1:40:56.679
honor of saying it's faith generally no

1:40:54.600,1:40:56.679


1:40:54.610,1:40:57.580
Lance Bass the argument you get away

1:40:56.669,1:40:57.580


1:40:56.679,1:40:59.199
with it

1:40:57.570,1:40:59.199


1:40:57.580,1:41:01.300
look the argument would be Christopher

1:40:59.189,1:41:01.300


1:40:59.199,1:41:03.550
is that if the universe exploded into

1:41:01.290,1:41:03.550


1:41:01.300,1:41:04.989
being out of nothing then miracles are

1:41:03.540,1:41:04.989


1:41:03.550,1:41:07.360
possible because the greatest miracle of

1:41:04.979,1:41:07.360


1:41:04.989,1:41:09.040
all has already occurred the question is

1:41:07.350,1:41:09.040


1:41:07.360,1:41:10.900
have miracles occurred in the first

1:41:09.030,1:41:10.900


1:41:09.040,1:41:12.670
century mirror that requires another

1:41:10.890,1:41:12.670


1:41:10.900,1:41:14.860
debate whereby we have to look at the

1:41:12.660,1:41:14.860


1:41:12.670,1:41:18.699
historical evidence and see and if it is

1:41:14.850,1:41:18.699


1:41:14.860,1:41:20.260
true that the that Jesus really did come

1:41:18.689,1:41:20.260


1:41:18.699,1:41:22.179
and say and do the things that the New

1:41:20.250,1:41:22.179


1:41:20.260,1:41:24.040
Testament writers said he did then

1:41:22.169,1:41:24.040


1:41:22.179,1:41:25.510
whatever he teaches is true because if

1:41:24.030,1:41:25.510


1:41:24.040,1:41:26.830
he rose from the dead he was God if he

1:41:25.500,1:41:26.830


1:41:25.510,1:41:28.300
taught that there will be an

1:41:26.820,1:41:28.300


1:41:26.830,1:41:31.800
intervention then there will be that's

1:41:28.290,1:41:31.800


1:41:28.300,1:41:31.800
the argument enough time to support it

1:41:38.660,1:41:38.660


1:41:38.670,1:41:41.969
you'll need it

1:41:43.120,1:41:43.120


1:41:43.130,1:41:51.750
it's fallen off if I a sentence or two

1:41:50.090,1:41:51.750


1:41:50.100,1:41:54.900
from David Hume would correct what you

1:41:51.740,1:41:54.900


1:41:51.750,1:41:56.430
sow a miracle is defined not as a part

1:41:54.890,1:41:56.430


1:41:54.900,1:41:58.620
of the natural order but as a suspension

1:41:56.420,1:41:58.620


1:41:56.430,1:42:00.960
of the natural no an interval you can't

1:41:58.610,1:42:00.960


1:41:58.620,1:42:02.400
say I'll say of a of the Big Bang which

1:42:00.950,1:42:02.400


1:42:00.960,1:42:04.530
is the foundation of a natural order

1:42:02.390,1:42:04.530


1:42:02.400,1:42:07.350
that it's a suspension of what it starts

1:42:04.520,1:42:07.350


1:42:04.530,1:42:09.480
you may not do that however if you meet

1:42:07.340,1:42:09.480


1:42:07.350,1:42:13.260
someone in the street who you yesterday

1:42:09.470,1:42:13.260


1:42:09.480,1:42:15.060
saw executed you can say either that an

1:42:13.250,1:42:15.060


1:42:13.260,1:42:17.520
extraordinary miracle has occurred or

1:42:15.050,1:42:17.520


1:42:15.060,1:42:22.320
that you are under a very grave

1:42:17.510,1:42:22.320


1:42:17.520,1:42:23.820
misapprehension and David Humes logic on

1:42:22.310,1:42:23.820


1:42:22.320,1:42:27.030
this I think is quite irrefutable he

1:42:23.810,1:42:27.030


1:42:23.820,1:42:29.219
says what is more likely that the laws

1:42:27.020,1:42:29.219


1:42:27.030,1:42:31.440
of nature have been suspended in your

1:42:29.209,1:42:31.440


1:42:29.219,1:42:35.010
favor and in a way that you approve all

1:42:31.430,1:42:35.010


1:42:31.440,1:42:37.170
that you've made a mistake and in each

1:42:35.000,1:42:37.170


1:42:35.010,1:42:39.030
case you must especially if you didn't

1:42:37.160,1:42:39.030


1:42:37.170,1:42:41.820
see it yourself and you're hearing it

1:42:39.020,1:42:41.820


1:42:39.030,1:42:43.170
from someone who says that they did I

1:42:41.810,1:42:43.170


1:42:41.820,1:42:45.989
would go further and say the following

1:42:43.160,1:42:45.989


1:42:43.170,1:42:49.050
I'll grant you that it would be possible

1:42:45.979,1:42:49.050


1:42:45.989,1:42:50.520
to track the pregnancy of the woman Mary

1:42:49.040,1:42:50.520


1:42:49.050,1:42:53.670
who's mentioned about three times in the

1:42:50.510,1:42:53.670


1:42:50.520,1:42:57.870
Bible and - sure there was no male

1:42:53.660,1:42:57.870


1:42:53.670,1:43:01.350
intervention in her life at all but yet

1:42:57.860,1:43:01.350


1:42:57.870,1:43:01.680
she delivered herself of a healthy baby

1:43:01.340,1:43:01.680


1:43:01.350,1:43:04.469
boy

1:43:01.670,1:43:04.469


1:43:01.680,1:43:05.510
with I can say I don't say that's

1:43:04.459,1:43:05.510


1:43:04.469,1:43:07.620
impossible

1:43:05.500,1:43:07.620


1:43:05.510,1:43:09.270
parthenogenesis is not completely

1:43:07.610,1:43:09.270


1:43:07.620,1:43:13.020
unthinkable but it does not prove that

1:43:09.260,1:43:13.020


1:43:09.270,1:43:15.060
his paternity is divine and it wouldn't

1:43:13.010,1:43:15.060


1:43:13.020,1:43:19.620
prove that any of his moral teachings

1:43:15.050,1:43:19.620


1:43:15.060,1:43:21.270
were thereby correct nor if I was to see

1:43:19.610,1:43:21.270


1:43:19.620,1:43:23.430
him executed one day and see him walking

1:43:21.260,1:43:23.430


1:43:21.270,1:43:25.500
the streets the next would that show

1:43:23.420,1:43:25.500


1:43:23.430,1:43:27.239
that he's father was God or his mother

1:43:25.490,1:43:27.239


1:43:25.500,1:43:29.160
was a virgin all that his teachings were

1:43:27.229,1:43:29.160


1:43:27.239,1:43:31.110
true especially given the commonplace

1:43:29.150,1:43:31.110


1:43:29.160,1:43:34.590
nature of Resurrection at that time in

1:43:31.100,1:43:34.590


1:43:31.110,1:43:36.570
place after all Lazarus was raised never

1:43:34.580,1:43:36.570


1:43:34.590,1:43:38.460
said a word about it the Daughter of

1:43:36.560,1:43:38.460


1:43:36.570,1:43:41.370
Jairus was raised didn't say a thing

1:43:38.450,1:43:41.370


1:43:38.460,1:43:42.719
about what she'd been through and the

1:43:41.360,1:43:42.719


1:43:41.370,1:43:44.760
Gospels tell us that at the time of the

1:43:42.709,1:43:44.760


1:43:42.719,1:43:46.620
crucifixion all the graves in Jerusalem

1:43:44.750,1:43:46.620


1:43:44.760,1:43:49.110
opened and their occupants wandered

1:43:46.610,1:43:49.110


1:43:46.620,1:43:51.840
around the streets to greet so the

1:43:49.100,1:43:51.840


1:43:49.110,1:43:54.510
resurrection was a something of a banal

1:43:51.830,1:43:54.510


1:43:51.840,1:43:57.060
at the time not all not all of those

1:43:54.500,1:43:57.060


1:43:54.510,1:43:59.969
people clearly were divinely conceived

1:43:57.050,1:43:59.969


1:43:57.060,1:44:02.190
so I'll give you all the miracles and

1:43:59.959,1:44:02.190


1:43:59.969,1:44:04.860
you'll still be left exactly where you

1:44:02.180,1:44:04.860


1:44:02.190,1:44:07.159
are now holding an empty sack no

1:44:04.850,1:44:07.159


1:44:04.860,1:44:09.690
Christopher you have to look at each

1:44:07.149,1:44:09.690


1:44:07.159,1:44:12.630
miracle in light of the evidence and the

1:44:09.680,1:44:12.630


1:44:09.690,1:44:14.969
context um was wrong because his premise

1:44:12.620,1:44:14.969


1:44:12.630,1:44:16.440
that was wrong was the one that said the

1:44:14.959,1:44:16.440


1:44:14.969,1:44:18.599
evidence for the regular is always

1:44:16.430,1:44:18.599


1:44:16.440,1:44:20.550
greater than that for the rare it's not

1:44:18.589,1:44:20.550


1:44:18.599,1:44:22.710
from Yume's own worldview if you were

1:44:20.540,1:44:22.710


1:44:20.550,1:44:25.710
you if you were here today he wouldn't

1:44:22.700,1:44:25.710


1:44:22.710,1:44:27.480
even believe in the Big Bang because it

1:44:25.700,1:44:27.480


1:44:25.710,1:44:28.679
only happened once it's not a regular

1:44:27.470,1:44:28.679


1:44:27.480,1:44:30.869
event it happened once he wouldn't

1:44:28.669,1:44:30.869


1:44:28.679,1:44:32.580
believe in the spontaneous generation of

1:44:30.859,1:44:32.580


1:44:30.869,1:44:34.530
life which is what a materialist must

1:44:32.570,1:44:34.530


1:44:32.580,1:44:35.760
believe because it only happened once he

1:44:34.520,1:44:35.760


1:44:34.530,1:44:37.409
wouldn't believe in his own birth

1:44:35.750,1:44:37.409


1:44:35.760,1:44:38.580
because it only happened once in fact he

1:44:37.399,1:44:38.580


1:44:37.409,1:44:40.770
wouldn't be able to believe in the whole

1:44:38.570,1:44:40.770


1:44:38.580,1:44:42.030
history of our solar system because it

1:44:40.760,1:44:42.030


1:44:40.770,1:44:44.429
only happened once you don't need

1:44:42.020,1:44:44.429


1:44:42.030,1:44:46.920
regular events to know whether or not

1:44:44.419,1:44:46.920


1:44:44.429,1:44:48.449
something happened singular events

1:44:46.910,1:44:48.449


1:44:46.920,1:44:49.230
happen all the time this debate will

1:44:48.439,1:44:49.230


1:44:48.449,1:44:51.360
never happen again

1:44:49.220,1:44:51.360


1:44:49.230,1:44:53.699
yet you're here to witness it there's a

1:44:51.350,1:44:53.699


1:44:51.360,1:44:56.250
there's a I mean I'm just going to put

1:44:53.689,1:44:56.250


1:44:53.699,1:44:57.449
my repose my trust in the audience here

1:44:56.240,1:44:57.449


1:44:56.250,1:44:59.639
there's a there's an obvious difference

1:44:57.439,1:44:59.639


1:44:57.449,1:45:01.619
between a singularity and a miracle and

1:44:59.629,1:45:01.619


1:44:59.639,1:45:04.560
I I mean I think it would be

1:45:01.609,1:45:04.560


1:45:01.619,1:45:08.099
embarrassing to try and explain it will

1:45:04.550,1:45:08.099


1:45:04.560,1:45:12.050
be patronizing to dr. Turek why a member

1:45:08.089,1:45:12.050


1:45:08.099,1:45:15.590
of the audience takes issue with your

1:45:12.040,1:45:15.590


1:45:12.050,1:45:21.889
claim that objective morality

1:45:15.580,1:45:21.889


1:45:15.590,1:45:24.989
necessarily relies in an absolute deity

1:45:21.879,1:45:24.989


1:45:21.889,1:45:27.060
asking instead what about empathy for

1:45:24.979,1:45:27.060


1:45:24.989,1:45:29.659
which there are significant apparent

1:45:27.050,1:45:29.659


1:45:27.060,1:45:32.550
biological basis right in here that

1:45:29.649,1:45:32.550


1:45:29.659,1:45:34.170
empathy for which there are fairly

1:45:32.540,1:45:34.170


1:45:32.550,1:45:36.840
well-established apologies he's a very

1:45:34.160,1:45:36.840


1:45:34.170,1:45:40.380
human emotion cannot empathy lead to

1:45:36.830,1:45:40.380


1:45:36.840,1:45:41.969
morality is it right to be empathetic

1:45:40.370,1:45:41.969


1:45:40.380,1:45:44.310
that's the question I'm not saying

1:45:41.959,1:45:44.310


1:45:41.969,1:45:47.550
there's no chemical connection between

1:45:44.300,1:45:47.550


1:45:44.310,1:45:50.040
morality and or for morality I should

1:45:47.540,1:45:50.040


1:45:47.550,1:45:52.020
say I'm there certainly when we think

1:45:50.030,1:45:52.020


1:45:50.040,1:45:54.840
they're chemicals going on the question

1:45:52.010,1:45:54.840


1:45:52.020,1:45:56.940
is what is the standard that makes

1:45:54.830,1:45:56.940


1:45:54.840,1:45:59.550
empathy or love right what is the

1:45:56.930,1:45:59.550


1:45:56.940,1:46:02.849
chemical composition of love what is the

1:45:59.540,1:46:02.849


1:45:59.550,1:46:04.199
what how much does justice way well

1:46:02.839,1:46:04.199


1:46:02.849,1:46:05.830
these are all things that make no sense

1:46:04.189,1:46:05.830


1:46:04.199,1:46:07.120
in a materialistic world

1:46:05.820,1:46:07.120


1:46:05.830,1:46:09.610
but that's not entirely true let's say

1:46:07.110,1:46:09.610


1:46:07.120,1:46:11.590
for example that neurocognitive

1:46:09.600,1:46:11.590


1:46:09.610,1:46:14.950
neuroscientists are able to determine

1:46:11.580,1:46:14.950


1:46:11.590,1:46:16.780
with scientific levels of precision that

1:46:14.940,1:46:16.780


1:46:14.950,1:46:19.900
in fact certain neuro chemical and

1:46:16.770,1:46:19.900


1:46:16.780,1:46:21.550
cognitive events always essentially

1:46:19.890,1:46:21.550


1:46:19.900,1:46:24.040
always co-occur with the experience of

1:46:21.540,1:46:24.040


1:46:21.550,1:46:26.800
empathy but that wouldn't mean that

1:46:24.030,1:46:26.800


1:46:24.040,1:46:28.210
empathy is right see there may be

1:46:26.790,1:46:28.210


1:46:26.800,1:46:31.210
chemical compositions that cause that

1:46:28.200,1:46:31.210


1:46:28.210,1:46:32.980
guy to chop that guy's head off on the

1:46:31.200,1:46:32.980


1:46:31.210,1:46:35.080
Canadian bus that wouldn't make it right

1:46:32.970,1:46:35.080


1:46:32.980,1:46:36.580
the question is what makes something

1:46:35.070,1:46:36.580


1:46:35.080,1:46:39.070
right in a materialist

1:46:36.570,1:46:39.070


1:46:36.580,1:46:41.080
worldview there's nothing that can make

1:46:39.060,1:46:41.080


1:46:39.070,1:46:42.850
something right or wrong as David Hume

1:46:41.070,1:46:42.850


1:46:41.080,1:46:47.770
has said you cannot get an author from

1:46:42.840,1:46:47.770


1:46:42.850,1:46:50.850
it is well happy to agree with that I

1:46:47.760,1:46:50.850


1:46:47.770,1:46:55.200
mean I think I think that's true but um

1:46:50.840,1:46:55.200


1:46:50.850,1:46:58.540
but I have to add only that there are

1:46:55.190,1:46:58.540


1:46:55.200,1:47:02.080
we've all song has to be lucky enough to

1:46:58.530,1:47:02.080


1:46:58.540,1:47:03.250
see it or meet people who've done it and

1:47:02.070,1:47:03.250


1:47:02.080,1:47:05.230
all of us it's read about there are

1:47:03.240,1:47:05.230


1:47:03.250,1:47:10.090
people who will when they when a grenade

1:47:05.220,1:47:10.090


1:47:05.230,1:47:11.410
is lobbed through the window throw

1:47:10.080,1:47:11.410


1:47:10.090,1:47:15.190
themselves on it before it can blow up

1:47:11.400,1:47:15.190


1:47:11.410,1:47:20.110
it does happen there are people who who

1:47:15.180,1:47:20.110


1:47:15.190,1:47:22.180
died under torture without giving away

1:47:20.100,1:47:22.180


1:47:20.110,1:47:24.300
the whereabouts of their comrades there

1:47:22.170,1:47:24.300


1:47:22.180,1:47:29.110
are people who go do bomb disposal

1:47:24.290,1:47:29.110


1:47:24.300,1:47:29.800
working defusing huge device they know a

1:47:29.100,1:47:29.800


1:47:29.110,1:47:33.100
minute

1:47:29.790,1:47:33.100


1:47:29.800,1:47:35.410
it does happen it's always happened it's

1:47:33.090,1:47:35.410


1:47:33.100,1:47:37.420
common to every known human society it's

1:47:35.400,1:47:37.420


1:47:35.410,1:47:39.430
a part of every heroic narrative of

1:47:37.410,1:47:39.430


1:47:37.420,1:47:41.580
every known Society there's ever been

1:47:39.420,1:47:41.580


1:47:39.430,1:47:45.040
those who do it are honored

1:47:41.570,1:47:45.040


1:47:41.580,1:47:47.650
they are sung as we say and the times

1:47:45.030,1:47:47.650


1:47:45.040,1:47:52.800
when there was no literate no literal

1:47:47.640,1:47:52.800


1:47:47.650,1:47:56.590
record and it doesn't require divine

1:47:52.790,1:47:56.590


1:47:52.800,1:47:59.770
sanction or permission it is we're proud

1:47:56.580,1:47:59.770


1:47:56.590,1:48:02.770
to say if not innate in us we would be

1:47:59.760,1:48:02.770


1:47:59.770,1:48:04.300
too humble to say that it's in Asian our

1:48:02.760,1:48:04.300


1:48:02.770,1:48:07.420
species is something we can all aspire

1:48:04.290,1:48:07.420


1:48:04.300,1:48:11.380
here yes you know we do not we do not

1:48:07.410,1:48:11.380


1:48:07.420,1:48:13.270
get it from Big Brother if we did that

1:48:11.370,1:48:13.270


1:48:11.380,1:48:13.900
would degrade it it would mean it wasn't

1:48:13.260,1:48:13.900


1:48:13.270,1:48:17.260
heroic

1:48:13.890,1:48:17.260


1:48:13.900,1:48:19.639
it wasn't brave it wasn't individual it

1:48:17.250,1:48:19.639


1:48:17.260,1:48:21.170
wasn't exemplar why are these things

1:48:19.629,1:48:21.170


1:48:19.639,1:48:23.000
of anything what I would because it

1:48:21.160,1:48:23.000


1:48:21.170,1:48:24.980
would be in the hope either of a reward

1:48:22.990,1:48:24.980


1:48:23.000,1:48:26.210
from Big Brother or for fear of

1:48:24.970,1:48:26.210


1:48:24.980,1:48:30.710
punishment from it it would have

1:48:26.200,1:48:30.710


1:48:26.210,1:48:34.520
robotics morality weiss Troy's ethics it

1:48:30.700,1:48:34.520


1:48:30.710,1:48:37.750
means it means the end it means the it

1:48:34.510,1:48:37.750


1:48:34.520,1:48:39.790
means the individual example is dust

1:48:37.740,1:48:39.790


1:48:37.750,1:48:41.869
Christopher you've already abolished

1:48:39.780,1:48:41.869


1:48:39.790,1:48:43.550
validated by your materialistic

1:48:41.859,1:48:43.550


1:48:41.869,1:48:45.770
worldview there's no such thing as

1:48:43.540,1:48:45.770


1:48:43.550,1:48:54.110
morality if you're just a bunch of

1:48:45.760,1:48:54.110


1:48:45.770,1:48:55.340
chemicals weight Sigma it's okay I

1:48:54.100,1:48:55.340


1:48:54.110,1:48:59.869
already know some people will clap

1:48:55.330,1:48:59.869


1:48:55.340,1:49:02.960
anything I do you need to say do you

1:48:59.859,1:49:02.960


1:48:59.869,1:49:04.969
mean to say that the human that the body

1:49:02.950,1:49:04.969


1:49:02.960,1:49:07.400
of a mammal the primate is not the

1:49:04.959,1:49:07.400


1:49:04.969,1:49:08.869
chemical composition no it is oh good

1:49:07.390,1:49:08.869


1:49:07.400,1:49:10.639
I'm questioning why do you why do you

1:49:08.859,1:49:10.639


1:49:08.869,1:49:12.199
why do you act as if this has only just

1:49:10.629,1:49:12.199


1:49:10.639,1:49:14.750
been discovered and as if it's a

1:49:12.189,1:49:14.750


1:49:12.199,1:49:16.880
theological point because you apparently

1:49:14.740,1:49:16.880


1:49:14.750,1:49:19.850
have I say that although I I would

1:49:16.870,1:49:19.850


1:49:16.880,1:49:24.290
rather say in spite of the fact that I

1:49:19.840,1:49:24.290


1:49:19.850,1:49:26.480
am a primate or not

1:49:24.280,1:49:26.480


1:49:24.290,1:49:28.159
notwithstanding perhaps I'd better say

1:49:26.470,1:49:28.159


1:49:26.480,1:49:30.639
that I am Brahman nonetheless I'm

1:49:28.149,1:49:30.639


1:49:28.159,1:49:33.409
capable of thinking about heroism

1:49:30.629,1:49:33.409


1:49:30.639,1:49:34.820
self-sacrifice example and so forth why

1:49:33.399,1:49:34.820


1:49:33.409,1:49:36.800
are all those things turn to me and say

1:49:34.810,1:49:36.800


1:49:34.820,1:49:38.030
how did you say that and be a primate

1:49:36.790,1:49:38.030


1:49:36.800,1:49:40.040
why I go I'm eight

1:49:38.020,1:49:40.040


1:49:38.030,1:49:42.969
I can't also the fact that I'm a primate

1:49:40.030,1:49:42.969


1:49:40.040,1:49:46.310
I can concede it better than some people

1:49:42.959,1:49:46.310


1:49:42.969,1:49:47.810
that's the best I can do why your ear I

1:49:46.300,1:49:47.810


1:49:46.310,1:49:51.619
made as well you'll have to agree with

1:49:47.800,1:49:51.619


1:49:47.810,1:49:53.540
both of us that it shows okay let me

1:49:51.609,1:49:53.540


1:49:51.619,1:49:56.630
let's finish with this which is the

1:49:53.530,1:49:56.630


1:49:53.540,1:50:00.949
fundamental question and I think

1:49:56.620,1:50:00.949


1:49:56.630,1:50:02.719
deserves serious answer the writer says

1:50:00.939,1:50:02.719


1:50:00.949,1:50:06.790
gentlemen I'd venture to say that no one

1:50:02.709,1:50:06.790


1:50:02.719,1:50:06.790
no one is two words by the way

1:50:07.369,1:50:07.369


1:50:07.379,1:50:12.539
no one came into this room without

1:50:09.619,1:50:12.539


1:50:09.629,1:50:15.899
already deciding who he or she agrees

1:50:12.529,1:50:15.899


1:50:12.539,1:50:20.429
with and no one will leave with a

1:50:15.889,1:50:20.429


1:50:15.899,1:50:23.579
different mindset what would it take for

1:50:20.419,1:50:23.579


1:50:20.429,1:50:25.530
each of you what evidence would you need

1:50:23.569,1:50:25.530


1:50:23.579,1:50:27.599
about what basis would you make a

1:50:25.520,1:50:27.599


1:50:25.530,1:50:30.059
decision to change your mind

1:50:27.589,1:50:30.059


1:50:27.599,1:50:33.439
fundamentally about the question that we

1:50:30.049,1:50:33.439


1:50:30.059,1:50:33.439
gathered here to discuss this evening

1:50:34.089,1:50:34.089


1:50:34.099,1:50:39.300
great question

1:50:36.439,1:50:39.300


1:50:36.449,1:50:42.079
well Christianity would be refuted by

1:50:39.290,1:50:42.079


1:50:39.300,1:50:46.229
somehow discovering the body of Christ

1:50:42.069,1:50:46.229


1:50:42.079,1:50:48.059
theism might be I don't know how you

1:50:46.219,1:50:48.059


1:50:46.229,1:50:50.749
could refute these and if all the

1:50:48.049,1:50:50.749


1:50:48.059,1:50:52.469
scientific evidence somehow changed if I

1:50:50.739,1:50:52.469


1:50:50.749,1:50:54.780
don't know how you deal with the

1:50:52.459,1:50:54.780


1:50:52.469,1:50:57.239
morality issue if the fine-tuning didn't

1:50:54.770,1:50:57.239


1:50:54.780,1:50:58.859
occur if we could find the universe is

1:50:57.229,1:50:58.859


1:50:57.239,1:50:59.939
eternal it would need a cause but all

1:50:58.849,1:50:59.939


1:50:58.859,1:51:02.189
the scientific evidence seems to suggest

1:50:59.929,1:51:02.189


1:50:59.939,1:51:03.419
universe is eternal so it needs a cause

1:51:02.179,1:51:03.419


1:51:02.189,1:51:06.510
and the cause must be immaterial

1:51:03.409,1:51:06.510


1:51:03.419,1:51:10.379
spaceless timeless but if all that

1:51:06.500,1:51:10.379


1:51:06.510,1:51:16.469
changed that might be at least get me to

1:51:10.369,1:51:16.469


1:51:10.379,1:51:17.820
doubt theism sir you know most of the

1:51:16.459,1:51:17.820


1:51:16.469,1:51:19.999
debate I wish I'd thought of this this

1:51:17.810,1:51:19.999


1:51:17.820,1:51:19.999
evening

1:51:25.720,1:51:25.720


1:51:25.730,1:51:31.340
sorry much too laid-back in most of the

1:51:29.470,1:51:31.340


1:51:29.480,1:51:33.350
debates I've taken apart and I wish I

1:51:31.330,1:51:33.350


1:51:31.340,1:51:37.610
thought of doing it this evening too we

1:51:33.340,1:51:37.610


1:51:33.350,1:51:40.460
took a vote before the debate including

1:51:37.600,1:51:40.460


1:51:37.610,1:51:43.010
registering the undecided and then at

1:51:40.450,1:51:43.010


1:51:40.460,1:51:45.020
1:00 at the end to basically see where

1:51:43.000,1:51:45.020


1:51:43.010,1:51:46.429
the undersides had gone so and I was

1:51:45.010,1:51:46.429


1:51:45.020,1:51:47.989
always surprised by how many people had

1:51:46.419,1:51:47.989


1:51:46.429,1:51:50.210
come or at least willing to consider

1:51:47.979,1:51:50.210


1:51:47.989,1:51:53.810
themselves as having come with an open

1:51:50.200,1:51:53.810


1:51:50.210,1:51:56.989
mind I my view is this very few people

1:51:53.800,1:51:56.989


1:51:53.810,1:52:00.790
have that much difficulty thinking of

1:51:56.979,1:52:00.790


1:51:56.989,1:52:03.679
themselves as objects of a divine plan

1:52:00.780,1:52:03.679


1:52:00.790,1:52:06.290
the great advantage religion has is our

1:52:03.669,1:52:06.290


1:52:03.679,1:52:07.520
own solipsism it's the same as people

1:52:06.280,1:52:07.520


1:52:06.290,1:52:10.280
who don't really believe in astrology

1:52:07.510,1:52:10.280


1:52:07.520,1:52:13.340
but they'll take a quick peek to see

1:52:10.270,1:52:13.340


1:52:10.280,1:52:16.580
what's happening to Taurus today and if

1:52:13.330,1:52:16.580


1:52:13.340,1:52:18.770
it says well might be a good time for a

1:52:16.570,1:52:18.770


1:52:16.580,1:52:21.320
flutter on the stock exchange not to

1:52:18.760,1:52:21.320


1:52:18.770,1:52:23.300
think hang on the planets don't really

1:52:21.310,1:52:23.300


1:52:21.320,1:52:25.909
move to determine my investments but

1:52:23.290,1:52:25.909


1:52:23.300,1:52:27.980
maybe you know it's not it's not

1:52:25.899,1:52:27.980


1:52:25.909,1:52:29.869
impossible it could all be about me I

1:52:27.970,1:52:29.869


1:52:27.980,1:52:32.840
think about it quite a lot actually

1:52:29.859,1:52:32.840


1:52:29.869,1:52:34.659
because I have the same birthday as

1:52:32.830,1:52:34.659


1:52:32.840,1:52:37.340
Thomas Jefferson in April the 13th

1:52:34.649,1:52:37.340


1:52:34.659,1:52:39.770
except that I don't because he was born

1:52:37.330,1:52:39.770


1:52:37.340,1:52:42.290
under the old calendar and I think his

1:52:39.760,1:52:42.290


1:52:39.770,1:52:44.840
though it says on his tomb he was born

1:52:42.280,1:52:44.840


1:52:42.290,1:52:47.150
on 13th table he was actually born on

1:52:44.830,1:52:47.150


1:52:44.840,1:52:48.530
something like the 25th of April under

1:52:47.140,1:52:48.530


1:52:47.150,1:52:50.380
the Ocala I've often wondered how the

1:52:48.520,1:52:50.380


1:52:48.530,1:52:52.610
horoscope people managed the transition

1:52:50.370,1:52:52.610


1:52:50.380,1:52:54.860
the time when everyone had to change

1:52:52.600,1:52:54.860


1:52:52.610,1:52:58.369
which star sign they were I just say it

1:52:54.850,1:52:58.369


1:52:54.860,1:53:00.739
got done easily enough religion works

1:52:58.359,1:53:00.739


1:52:58.369,1:53:03.230
for most people because if to have

1:53:00.729,1:53:03.230


1:53:00.739,1:53:06.350
people in a sense horribly do want it to

1:53:03.220,1:53:06.350


1:53:03.230,1:53:08.300
be true that they are supervised that

1:53:06.340,1:53:08.300


1:53:06.350,1:53:10.369
God looks out for them that they might

1:53:08.290,1:53:10.369


1:53:08.300,1:53:13.400
be rewarded or they might be punished it

1:53:10.359,1:53:13.400


1:53:10.369,1:53:15.139
has this terrible surveill advantage

1:53:13.390,1:53:15.139


1:53:13.400,1:53:18.110
that's why I consider it to be morally

1:53:15.129,1:53:18.110


1:53:15.139,1:53:20.780
superior to be an atheist to say I would

1:53:18.100,1:53:20.780


1:53:18.110,1:53:23.600
rather live without that ghastly

1:53:20.770,1:53:23.600


1:53:20.780,1:53:25.520
master/slave and their mentality and no

1:53:23.590,1:53:25.520


1:53:23.600,1:53:28.130
evidence or no event that could change

1:53:25.510,1:53:28.130


1:53:25.520,1:53:29.929
your commitment to that belief I can

1:53:28.120,1:53:29.929


1:53:28.130,1:53:32.989
only say that if there was I'm very

1:53:29.919,1:53:32.989


1:53:29.929,1:53:34.110
relieved to find having studied what I

1:53:32.979,1:53:34.110


1:53:32.989,1:53:36.270
think of as the

1:53:34.100,1:53:36.270


1:53:34.110,1:53:39.030
best evidence in arguments physicists

1:53:36.260,1:53:39.030


1:53:36.270,1:53:41.250
biologists paleontologists students of

1:53:39.020,1:53:41.250


1:53:39.030,1:53:42.810
mythology history archaeologists are

1:53:41.240,1:53:42.810


1:53:41.250,1:53:45.210
very relieved to find there's no

1:53:42.800,1:53:45.210


1:53:42.810,1:53:47.730
evidence for it at all if if I thought

1:53:45.200,1:53:47.730


1:53:45.210,1:53:51.780
it was true I would consider myself

1:53:47.720,1:53:51.780


1:53:47.730,1:53:54.180
condemned to live under attorney and

1:53:51.770,1:53:54.180


1:53:51.780,1:53:57.900
I've spent my entire life repudiating

1:53:54.170,1:53:57.900


1:53:54.180,1:54:00.960
that idea and helping I hope others to

1:53:57.890,1:54:00.960


1:53:57.900,1:54:02.970
think the same but there is not a chance

1:54:00.950,1:54:02.970


1:54:00.960,1:54:05.640
of course it's not it isn't a single

1:54:02.960,1:54:05.640


1:54:02.970,1:54:08.370
chance that anyone will find that hey

1:54:05.630,1:54:08.370


1:54:05.640,1:54:10.620
after all we can definitely know that a

1:54:08.360,1:54:10.620


1:54:08.370,1:54:14.730
virgin conceived or that a condemned

1:54:10.610,1:54:14.730


1:54:10.620,1:54:16.440
felon walked gain and it's quite absurd

1:54:14.720,1:54:16.440


1:54:14.730,1:54:18.960
for anyone to argue in scientific terms

1:54:16.430,1:54:18.960


1:54:16.440,1:54:20.580
as if any of that is even thinkable what

1:54:18.950,1:54:20.580


1:54:18.960,1:54:24.440
I don't understand I suppose I should

1:54:20.570,1:54:24.440


1:54:20.580,1:54:27.540
close both is why anybody should be so

1:54:24.430,1:54:27.540


1:54:24.440,1:54:31.080
contemptuous I suppose is the word also

1:54:27.530,1:54:31.080


1:54:27.540,1:54:34.080
insecure about their own faith as not to

1:54:31.070,1:54:34.080


1:54:31.080,1:54:36.330
call it that did you hear him say at any

1:54:34.070,1:54:36.330


1:54:34.080,1:54:38.910
point the city this is my faith I

1:54:36.320,1:54:38.910


1:54:36.330,1:54:41.580
believe it in spite of the evidence to

1:54:38.900,1:54:41.580


1:54:38.910,1:54:44.070
the contrary I lay my life on it

1:54:41.570,1:54:44.070


1:54:41.580,1:54:46.350
I believe I'm redeemed by it I think I

1:54:44.060,1:54:46.350


1:54:44.070,1:54:47.640
will live eternally because no he has no

1:54:46.340,1:54:47.640


1:54:46.350,1:54:50.090
confidence to say anything like that

1:54:47.630,1:54:50.090


1:54:47.640,1:54:53.820
instead he tries to mix it up in an area

1:54:50.080,1:54:53.820


1:54:50.090,1:54:56.340
scientific inquiry where he is no more

1:54:53.810,1:54:56.340


1:54:53.820,1:55:00.780
competent than hey even I am and that

1:54:56.330,1:55:00.780


1:54:56.340,1:55:01.410
was where he made his big mistake thanks

1:55:00.770,1:55:01.410


1:55:00.780,1:55:03.450
gentlemen

1:55:01.400,1:55:03.450


1:55:01.410,1:55:09.810
what are we sighs five minutes to a

1:55:03.440,1:55:09.810


1:55:03.450,1:55:10.830
close uh since dr. Turk went first in

1:55:09.800,1:55:10.830


1:55:09.810,1:55:14.070
the opening would you mind going first

1:55:10.820,1:55:14.070


1:55:10.830,1:55:15.390
now I thought I'd just wrap oh you can

1:55:14.060,1:55:15.390


1:55:14.070,1:55:17.690
call it a wrap unless you'd like five

1:55:15.380,1:55:17.690


1:55:15.390,1:55:17.690
more minutes

1:55:26.390,1:55:26.390


1:55:26.400,1:55:29.520
when asked when I think of the most

1:55:27.920,1:55:29.520


1:55:27.930,1:55:37.590
erotic words in the language I sometimes

1:55:29.510,1:55:37.590


1:55:29.520,1:55:39.150
think German relayed back now when asked

1:55:37.580,1:55:39.150


1:55:37.590,1:55:41.240
what I think of the most erotic words in

1:55:39.140,1:55:41.240


1:55:39.150,1:55:48.240
the language I sometimes think slowly

1:55:41.230,1:55:48.240


1:55:41.240,1:55:50.510
captive audience um no you know what

1:55:48.230,1:55:50.510


1:55:48.240,1:55:52.500
if I haven't made my case by now

1:55:50.500,1:55:52.500


1:55:50.510,1:55:55.830
brothers and sisters I don't think I

1:55:52.490,1:55:55.830


1:55:52.500,1:55:58.440
will make it in the next five I ask you

1:55:55.820,1:55:58.440


1:55:55.830,1:56:01.590
to excuse me if anyone thinks that

1:55:58.430,1:56:01.590


1:55:58.440,1:56:02.880
there's a question having who's heard me

1:56:01.580,1:56:02.880


1:56:01.590,1:56:05.760
who thinks is a question I answered

1:56:02.870,1:56:05.760


1:56:02.880,1:56:07.230
poorly or inadequately or badly or

1:56:05.750,1:56:07.230


1:56:05.760,1:56:09.240
failed to answer at all I would like to

1:56:07.220,1:56:09.240


1:56:07.230,1:56:12.450
challenge me I'd happily give them five

1:56:09.230,1:56:12.450


1:56:09.240,1:56:15.510
minutes but I've I have to say shot my

1:56:12.440,1:56:15.510


1:56:12.450,1:56:21.510
belt otherwise it is there anyone who

1:56:15.500,1:56:21.510


1:56:15.510,1:56:23.940
would like to charge me yes please if

1:56:21.500,1:56:23.940


1:56:21.510,1:56:27.030
there is no God why don't you spend your

1:56:23.930,1:56:27.030


1:56:23.940,1:56:29.550
whole life try to convince people that

1:56:27.020,1:56:29.550


1:56:27.030,1:56:33.000
there isn't why don't you just stay off

1:56:29.540,1:56:33.000


1:56:29.550,1:56:34.950
was the repeat that was the cost yeah

1:56:32.990,1:56:34.950


1:56:33.000,1:56:37.400
the question is if there if there is no

1:56:34.940,1:56:37.400


1:56:34.950,1:56:40.320
god why spend your life and career

1:56:37.390,1:56:40.320


1:56:37.400,1:56:46.740
trying to refute that why not just leave

1:56:40.310,1:56:46.740


1:56:40.320,1:56:48.930
it alone and stay home fair enough well

1:56:46.730,1:56:48.930


1:56:46.740,1:56:53.880
it's it's not my it isn't my whole

1:56:48.920,1:56:53.880


1:56:48.930,1:56:55.890
career for one thing it's become a major

1:56:53.870,1:56:55.890


1:56:53.880,1:56:59.010
preoccupation of my life though in the

1:56:55.880,1:56:59.010


1:56:55.890,1:57:05.190
last eight or nine years especially

1:56:59.000,1:57:05.190


1:56:59.010,1:57:08.550
since September 11th 2001 to try and

1:57:05.180,1:57:08.550


1:57:05.190,1:57:11.820
help generate an opposition to theocracy

1:57:08.540,1:57:11.820


1:57:08.550,1:57:14.250
and its depredations internationally

1:57:11.810,1:57:14.250


1:57:11.820,1:57:16.710
that that that is now probably my main

1:57:14.240,1:57:16.710


1:57:14.250,1:57:19.860
political preoccupation to help people

1:57:16.700,1:57:19.860


1:57:16.710,1:57:23.580
in Afghanistan in Somalia in Iraq in

1:57:19.850,1:57:23.580


1:57:19.860,1:57:25.380
Lebanon in Israel to resist those who

1:57:23.570,1:57:25.380


1:57:23.580,1:57:26.760
sincerely want to encompass the

1:57:25.370,1:57:26.760


1:57:25.380,1:57:28.590
destruction of civilization and

1:57:26.750,1:57:28.590


1:57:26.760,1:57:31.110
sincerely believe they have God on their

1:57:28.580,1:57:31.110


1:57:28.590,1:57:32.790
side in wanting to do so the thing maybe

1:57:31.100,1:57:32.790


1:57:31.110,1:57:34.980
I will take a few minutes just to say

1:57:32.780,1:57:34.980


1:57:32.790,1:57:37.440
something that I find repulsive about

1:57:34.970,1:57:37.440


1:57:34.980,1:57:40.079
especially monotheistic messianic

1:57:37.430,1:57:40.079


1:57:37.440,1:57:42.869
religion in it with a large

1:57:40.069,1:57:42.869


1:57:40.079,1:57:45.840
part of itself it quite clearly wants us

1:57:42.859,1:57:45.840


1:57:42.869,1:57:47.790
all to die it wants this world to come

1:57:45.830,1:57:47.790


1:57:45.840,1:57:50.670
to an end you can tell the yearning for

1:57:47.780,1:57:50.670


1:57:47.790,1:57:52.380
things to be over whenever you read any

1:57:50.660,1:57:52.380


1:57:50.670,1:57:55.070
of its real texts or listen to any of

1:57:52.370,1:57:55.070


1:57:52.380,1:57:57.840
its real authentic spokesmen not the

1:57:55.060,1:57:57.840


1:57:55.070,1:58:00.150
sort of the pathetic apologist who

1:57:57.830,1:58:00.150


1:57:57.840,1:58:03.570
sometimes masquerade for it those who

1:58:00.140,1:58:03.570


1:58:00.150,1:58:06.510
talk there was a famous spokesman for

1:58:03.560,1:58:06.510


1:58:03.570,1:58:09.960
this in Virginia until recently about

1:58:06.500,1:58:09.960


1:58:06.510,1:58:12.929
the rapture say that those of us who

1:58:09.950,1:58:12.929


1:58:09.960,1:58:15.300
have chosen rightly will be gathered to

1:58:12.919,1:58:15.300


1:58:12.929,1:58:17.159
the arms of Jesus leaving all the rest

1:58:15.290,1:58:17.159


1:58:15.300,1:58:19.349
of you behind if we're in a car

1:58:17.149,1:58:19.349


1:58:17.159,1:58:21.300
it's your lookout that car won't have a

1:58:19.339,1:58:21.300


1:58:19.349,1:58:22.679
driver anymore if we're if we're a pilot

1:58:21.290,1:58:22.679


1:58:21.300,1:58:25.170
that's your lookout that plane will

1:58:22.669,1:58:25.170


1:58:22.679,1:58:29.820
crash we will be with Jesus and the rest

1:58:25.160,1:58:29.820


1:58:25.170,1:58:31.710
of you can go straight to hell the the

1:58:29.810,1:58:31.710


1:58:29.820,1:58:33.719
eschatological element that is

1:58:31.700,1:58:33.719


1:58:31.710,1:58:35.760
inseparable from Christianity if you

1:58:33.709,1:58:35.760


1:58:33.719,1:58:39.440
don't believe that there is to be an

1:58:35.750,1:58:39.440


1:58:35.760,1:58:42.119
apocalypse there is going to be an end a

1:58:39.430,1:58:42.119


1:58:39.440,1:58:44.730
separation of the sheep and the goats a

1:58:42.109,1:58:44.730


1:58:42.119,1:58:47.460
condemnation a final one then you're not

1:58:44.720,1:58:47.460


1:58:44.730,1:58:49.710
really I believe it and the contempt for

1:58:47.450,1:58:49.710


1:58:47.460,1:58:51.480
the things of this world shows through

1:58:49.700,1:58:51.480


1:58:49.710,1:58:54.659
all of them it's well put in an old

1:58:51.470,1:58:54.659


1:58:51.480,1:58:55.889
rhyme from a an English exclusive

1:58:54.649,1:58:55.889


1:58:54.659,1:58:58.170
brethren sect

1:58:55.879,1:58:58.170


1:58:55.889,1:59:00.270
says that we are the pure and chosen few

1:58:58.160,1:59:00.270


1:58:58.170,1:59:02.760
and all the rest are damned

1:59:00.260,1:59:02.760


1:59:00.270,1:59:05.969
there's ruin up in hell for you we don't

1:59:02.750,1:59:05.969


1:59:02.760,1:59:08.520
want heaven crammed you can tell it when

1:59:05.959,1:59:08.520


1:59:05.969,1:59:11.610
you see the extreme Muslims talk they

1:59:08.510,1:59:11.610


1:59:08.520,1:59:13.050
cannot wait they cannot wait for death

1:59:11.600,1:59:13.050


1:59:11.610,1:59:16.219
and destruction to overtake and

1:59:13.040,1:59:16.219


1:59:13.050,1:59:19.199
overwhelm the world they can't wait for

1:59:16.209,1:59:19.199


1:59:16.219,1:59:22.230
for a what I would call without

1:59:19.189,1:59:22.230


1:59:19.199,1:59:25.530
ambiguity a final solution when you look

1:59:22.220,1:59:25.530


1:59:22.230,1:59:27.929
at the Israeli settlers paid for often

1:59:25.520,1:59:27.929


1:59:25.530,1:59:30.030
by American tax dollars to sign if they

1:59:27.919,1:59:30.030


1:59:27.929,1:59:32.880
can steal enough land from other people

1:59:30.020,1:59:32.880


1:59:30.030,1:59:35.099
and get all the Jews into the Promised

1:59:32.870,1:59:35.099


1:59:32.880,1:59:37.469
Land and all the non-jews out of it then

1:59:35.089,1:59:37.469


1:59:35.099,1:59:40.110
finally the Jewish people will be worthy

1:59:37.459,1:59:40.110


1:59:37.469,1:59:41.309
of the return of the Messiah and there

1:59:40.100,1:59:41.309


1:59:40.110,1:59:43.440
are Christians in this country you

1:59:41.299,1:59:43.440


1:59:41.309,1:59:46.110
consider it their job to help this

1:59:43.430,1:59:46.110


1:59:43.440,1:59:49.590
happen so that Armageddon can occur so

1:59:46.100,1:59:49.590


1:59:46.110,1:59:52.050
the painful business of living as humans

1:59:49.580,1:59:52.050


1:59:49.590,1:59:53.650
and studying civilization and trying to

1:59:52.040,1:59:53.650


1:59:52.050,1:59:56.380
acquire learning and

1:59:53.640,1:59:56.380


1:59:53.650,1:59:59.620
knowledge and health and medicine and to

1:59:56.370,1:59:59.620


1:59:56.380,2:00:03.040
push that can all be scrapped and and

1:59:59.610,2:00:03.040


1:59:59.620,2:00:06.640
the cult of death can take over that to

2:00:03.030,2:00:06.640


2:00:03.040,2:00:10.240
me is a hideous thing in eschatological

2:00:06.630,2:00:10.240


2:00:06.640,2:00:12.610
terms in end times terms on its own

2:00:10.230,2:00:12.610


2:00:10.240,2:00:14.710
hateful idea hateful practice and a

2:00:12.600,2:00:14.710


2:00:12.610,2:00:16.480
hateful theory but very much to be

2:00:14.700,2:00:16.480


2:00:14.710,2:00:19.630
opposed in our daily lives where there

2:00:16.470,2:00:19.630


2:00:16.480,2:00:22.540
are people who sincerely mean it who

2:00:19.620,2:00:22.540


2:00:19.630,2:00:23.860
want who want to ruin the good relations

2:00:22.530,2:00:23.860


2:00:22.540,2:00:27.130
that could exist between different

2:00:23.850,2:00:27.130


2:00:23.860,2:00:30.700
peoples nations racist countries tribes

2:00:27.120,2:00:30.700


2:00:27.130,2:00:34.120
ethnicities who say who openly say they

2:00:30.690,2:00:34.120


2:00:30.700,2:00:36.130
love death more than we love life and

2:00:34.110,2:00:36.130


2:00:34.120,2:00:39.310
who are betting that with God on their

2:00:36.120,2:00:39.310


2:00:36.130,2:00:41.770
side they're right about that so when I

2:00:39.300,2:00:41.770


2:00:39.310,2:00:44.080
say is the subtitle of my book that I

2:00:41.760,2:00:44.080


2:00:41.770,2:00:46.960
think religion poisons everything I'm

2:00:44.070,2:00:46.960


2:00:44.080,2:00:48.910
not just doing what publishers like and

2:00:46.950,2:00:48.910


2:00:46.960,2:00:52.150
coming up with the provocative subtitle

2:00:48.900,2:00:52.150


2:00:48.910,2:00:54.460
I mean to say it infects us in the you

2:00:52.140,2:00:54.460


2:00:52.150,2:00:56.800
know our most basic integrity it says we

2:00:54.450,2:00:56.800


2:00:54.460,2:00:59.020
can't be moral without Big Brother

2:00:56.790,2:00:59.020


2:00:56.800,2:01:01.180
without a totalitarian permission means

2:00:59.010,2:01:01.180


2:00:59.020,2:01:03.640
we can't be good to one another means we

2:01:01.170,2:01:03.640


2:01:01.180,2:01:07.420
can't leave without this we must be

2:01:03.630,2:01:07.420


2:01:03.640,2:01:09.970
afraid we must also be forced to love

2:01:07.410,2:01:09.970


2:01:07.420,2:01:13.030
someone who we fear the essence of

2:01:09.960,2:01:13.030


2:01:09.970,2:01:14.860
sadomasochism at the essence of

2:01:13.020,2:01:14.860


2:01:13.030,2:01:17.860
abjection the essence of the Masters

2:01:14.850,2:01:17.860


2:01:14.860,2:01:19.930
slave relationship and that knows that

2:01:17.850,2:01:19.930


2:01:17.860,2:01:24.370
death is coming and can't wait to bring

2:01:19.920,2:01:24.370


2:01:19.930,2:01:28.480
it on I say this is evil and though I do

2:01:24.360,2:01:28.480


2:01:24.370,2:01:30.790
some nights stay home I enjoy more the

2:01:28.470,2:01:30.790


2:01:28.480,2:01:32.590
nights when I go out and fight against

2:01:30.780,2:01:32.590


2:01:30.790,2:01:35.940
this ultimate wickedness and ultimate

2:01:32.580,2:01:35.940


2:01:32.590,2:01:35.940
stupidity thank you

2:01:48.500,2:01:48.500


2:01:48.510,2:02:02.500
dr. Tarek your clothes first of all I

2:02:01.200,2:02:02.500


2:02:01.210,2:02:05.410
want to thank everyone I know it's been

2:02:02.490,2:02:05.410


2:02:02.500,2:02:06.790
a long night and I enjoy listening to

2:02:05.400,2:02:06.790


2:02:05.410,2:02:09.550
Christopher even if I don't agree with

2:02:06.780,2:02:09.550


2:02:06.790,2:02:10.840
them and I want to thank Christopher for

2:02:09.540,2:02:10.840


2:02:09.550,2:02:14.560
being here and putting so much effort

2:02:10.830,2:02:14.560


2:02:10.840,2:02:16.210
into this debate let me just clean up a

2:02:14.550,2:02:16.210


2:02:14.560,2:02:19.000
few things that I wasn't able to respond

2:02:16.200,2:02:19.000


2:02:16.210,2:02:20.650
to before and that is this issue of

2:02:18.990,2:02:20.650


2:02:19.000,2:02:22.750
design where Christopher seems to say

2:02:20.640,2:02:22.750


2:02:20.650,2:02:26.550
because things are going to oblivion it

2:02:22.740,2:02:26.550


2:02:22.750,2:02:29.620
wasn't designed well first of all a

2:02:26.540,2:02:29.620


2:02:26.550,2:02:33.580
design in a world constrained by

2:02:29.610,2:02:33.580


2:02:29.620,2:02:37.830
physical constraints can only be optimal

2:02:33.570,2:02:37.830


2:02:33.580,2:02:41.140
if you know the purpose of the designer

2:02:37.820,2:02:41.140


2:02:37.830,2:02:42.970
just even Jay Gould had a book years ago

2:02:41.130,2:02:42.970


2:02:41.140,2:02:44.500
called pandas thumb where he complained

2:02:42.960,2:02:44.500


2:02:42.970,2:02:47.920
that the pandas thumb was not as good as

2:02:44.490,2:02:47.920


2:02:44.500,2:02:51.460
our thumb it only seemed to enable the

2:02:47.910,2:02:51.460


2:02:47.920,2:02:53.380
Panda to strip bamboo well maybe that's

2:02:51.450,2:02:53.380


2:02:51.460,2:02:54.790
all the Panda was supposed to do is

2:02:53.370,2:02:54.790


2:02:53.380,2:02:56.710
strip bamboo you can't say it's

2:02:54.780,2:02:56.710


2:02:54.790,2:03:01.750
suboptimal Design unless you know what

2:02:56.700,2:03:01.750


2:02:56.710,2:03:03.730
the purpose of the designer was my car

2:03:01.740,2:03:03.730


2:03:01.750,2:03:08.140
is not designed perfectly but it's still

2:03:03.720,2:03:08.140


2:03:03.730,2:03:10.030
designed so just because you find faults

2:03:08.130,2:03:10.030


2:03:08.140,2:03:11.650
in design doesn't mean there is no

2:03:10.020,2:03:11.650


2:03:10.030,2:03:13.450
design and you wouldn't be able to find

2:03:11.640,2:03:13.450


2:03:11.650,2:03:16.870
a fault unless you knew what the purpose

2:03:13.440,2:03:16.870


2:03:13.450,2:03:20.230
of the designer was let me now summarize

2:03:16.860,2:03:20.230


2:03:16.870,2:03:22.360
Christopher's book and if as I read

2:03:20.220,2:03:22.360


2:03:20.230,2:03:23.590
Christopher's book it seems to me he's

2:03:22.350,2:03:23.590


2:03:22.360,2:03:25.930
making two statements the first

2:03:23.580,2:03:25.930


2:03:23.590,2:03:28.110
statement is there is no God and I hate

2:03:25.920,2:03:28.110


2:03:25.930,2:03:28.110
him

2:03:32.089,2:03:32.089


2:03:32.099,2:03:38.159
after all Christopher defines himself as

2:03:35.419,2:03:38.159


2:03:35.429,2:03:40.500
an anti-theist not an atheist but an

2:03:38.149,2:03:40.500


2:03:38.159,2:03:43.199
anti theist and that's why he couldn't

2:03:40.490,2:03:43.199


2:03:40.500,2:03:44.969
even respond to the question what might

2:03:43.189,2:03:44.969


2:03:43.199,2:03:46.679
change your mind nothing is going to

2:03:44.959,2:03:46.679


2:03:44.969,2:03:48.349
change Christopher's mind his mind is

2:03:46.669,2:03:48.349


2:03:46.679,2:03:53.040
made up

2:03:48.339,2:03:53.040


2:03:48.349,2:03:57.060
the second is narrow-minded yes the

2:03:53.030,2:03:57.060


2:03:53.040,2:03:58.860
second the second major point he makes

2:03:57.050,2:03:58.860


2:03:57.060,2:04:01.800
is since religious people do evil things

2:03:58.850,2:04:01.800


2:03:58.860,2:04:05.310
God doesn't exist that is a non sequitur

2:04:01.790,2:04:05.310


2:04:01.800,2:04:07.429
in logic we all do evil things that

2:04:05.300,2:04:07.429


2:04:05.310,2:04:09.960
doesn't mean our parents don't exist

2:04:07.419,2:04:09.960


2:04:07.429,2:04:11.730
just because E people do evil things

2:04:09.950,2:04:11.730


2:04:09.960,2:04:14.940
doesn't mean that all religion is false

2:04:11.720,2:04:14.940


2:04:11.730,2:04:17.280
and Christopher bunches all religions

2:04:14.930,2:04:17.280


2:04:14.940,2:04:19.489
together and makes no distinctions that

2:04:17.270,2:04:19.489


2:04:17.280,2:04:22.590
need to be made I am with you

2:04:19.479,2:04:22.590


2:04:19.489,2:04:25.380
Christopher on your opposition of

2:04:22.580,2:04:25.380


2:04:22.590,2:04:27.000
radical Islam I am with you I am with

2:04:25.370,2:04:27.000


2:04:25.380,2:04:30.000
you politically on more things than you

2:04:26.990,2:04:30.000


2:04:27.000,2:04:32.310
will know because I think many religions

2:04:29.990,2:04:32.310


2:04:30.000,2:04:36.659
are false and there are many false

2:04:32.300,2:04:36.659


2:04:32.310,2:04:38.909
beliefs in fact many religious people

2:04:36.649,2:04:38.909


2:04:36.659,2:04:40.290
here's here's the points Christopher

2:04:38.899,2:04:40.290


2:04:38.909,2:04:41.820
makes and he's right about many of these

2:04:40.280,2:04:41.820


2:04:40.290,2:04:43.860
things many religious people have

2:04:41.810,2:04:43.860


2:04:41.820,2:04:45.960
behaved terribly many religious beliefs

2:04:43.850,2:04:45.960


2:04:43.860,2:04:47.520
are false and can't be justified you

2:04:45.950,2:04:47.520


2:04:45.960,2:04:49.469
don't need to believe in God to know

2:04:47.510,2:04:49.469


2:04:47.520,2:04:51.179
right from wrong you don't need the

2:04:49.459,2:04:51.179


2:04:49.469,2:04:53.250
Bible or any other religious book to

2:04:51.169,2:04:53.250


2:04:51.179,2:04:55.530
know basic right and wrong morality

2:04:53.240,2:04:55.530


2:04:53.250,2:04:57.329
predates Scripture I agree with all that

2:04:55.520,2:04:57.329


2:04:55.530,2:04:59.790
and that in fact is the Christian view

2:04:57.319,2:04:59.790


2:04:57.329,2:05:01.230
as well and unless someone outside of

2:04:59.780,2:05:01.230


2:04:59.790,2:05:03.179
the universe intervenes or the laws of

2:05:01.220,2:05:03.179


2:05:01.230,2:05:06.300
nature change this incredibly fine-tuned

2:05:03.169,2:05:06.300


2:05:03.179,2:05:08.400
universe will go to oblivion I agree

2:05:06.290,2:05:08.400


2:05:06.300,2:05:10.349
with all that but none of these things

2:05:08.390,2:05:10.349


2:05:08.400,2:05:12.690
are arguments against the existence of

2:05:10.339,2:05:12.690


2:05:10.349,2:05:14.670
God God could still exist even if all of

2:05:12.680,2:05:14.670


2:05:12.690,2:05:17.329
Christopher's assertions and complaints

2:05:14.660,2:05:17.329


2:05:14.670,2:05:17.329
are true

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let me also point out that religion does

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2:05:25.990,2:05:38.020
not poison everything everything poisons

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2:05:29.830,2:05:40.270
religion I poison religion regrettably I

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poison religion because I don't live up

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2:05:40.270,2:05:44.350
to the pure words of Christ and that's

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why Christ had to come because none of

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us live up to it but we know what the

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2:05:46.900,2:05:51.850
standards are because there's a standard

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2:05:49.120,2:05:53.590
beyond ourselves Christopher has

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identified how religious people poison

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religion how they act immorally

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2:05:55.000,2:05:58.950
you know that's what Jesus and the

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prophets did and why Jesus came

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2:05:58.950,2:06:05.380
Christopher is so charming and he is so

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2:06:03.460,2:06:09.670
persuasive he is like an Old Testament

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prophet he is and he is calling the

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church to morality he can't define what

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that is but he's calling them to it he's

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not calling them to the Christian

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2:06:18.670,2:06:23.830
morality necessarily he's calling them

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to his own morality but what he points

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out are some of the very things Jesus

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2:06:25.780,2:06:29.110
point out many people in the church are

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following tradition rather than the

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2:06:29.110,2:06:33.190
words of Christ many people in the

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church are doing evil things Jesus

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condemned the people who were the most

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religious because they were the furthest

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2:06:38.230,2:06:41.020
away from God and Christopher's to be

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commended for that because many of them

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are

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but unlike Jesus who appealed to God's

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2:06:50.790,2:06:54.360
standard of morality Christopher's

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atheism affords him no objective moral

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2:06:54.360,2:06:57.900
standard by which to judge anything

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wrong including all the sins of

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religious people circumcision sexual

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restrictions suicide bombing etc he has

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to borrow objective morality from the

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2:07:04.980,2:07:08.100
theistic worldview in order to argue

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against it he has to soon God in order

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to deny him he has to sit in God's lap

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in order to slap his face he also has to

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borrow aspects of the theistic worldview

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in order to even get his worldview off

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the ground he has to borrow the universe

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which is a pretty big issue he has to

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borrow fine-tuning life reason math

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human freedom and consciousness notice

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he never to dressed any of those things

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where do those come from in an atheistic

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2:07:30.150,2:07:34.980
worldview Christopher in the last

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chapter of his book talks about we need

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to get away from all this religious

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stuff and we need to go to enlightenment

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values what are enlightenment values

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well here are is what Christopher says

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on the last page of his book quote very

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importantly the divorce between the

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sexual life and fear the sexual life and

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2:07:52.470,2:07:58.080
disease and the sexual life and tyranny

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can now at last be tempted on the sole

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condition that we banish all religions

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from the discourse it appears that

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Christopher is rebelling against the

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church lady here he doesn't like the

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restrictions on sexuality is it true

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that if Jesus said sleep with anybody

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you want Christopher would be Christian

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I don't know but that is what he's

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rebelling against now he talks about the

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divine dictatorship he says that he

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rebelled as he just pointed out against

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the divine dictatorship because he's an

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anti theist but let me ask this question

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why must everyone submit to his

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dictatorship the dictatorship of

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Christopher Hitchens he's telling

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everyone to live up or to give up their

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sacred texts and to live according to

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renewed enlightenment values values that

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apparently he gets to choose Christopher

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in effect wants to replace God he wants

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his values he wants you he wants you to

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adopt enlightenment values

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Christopher never answered the questions

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and the evidence that I brought up I

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think this is a theistic universe

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because all time all space and all

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matter exploded into being out of

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nothing

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number two it did so with incredible

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precision and extreme fine-tuning we saw

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that life seems to be the result of

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intelligence for we saw that their

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objective immaterial moral values out

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there and Christopher is big on

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immorality I'm with them on that number

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five we saw that in material reality

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such as reason in the laws of logic

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exist and have no way to be explained

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there's no way to explain those by

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materialism that the laws of mathematics

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number six exists and they help us

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investigate and measure this orderly

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universe number seven that people are

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not mere chemicals but are free to make

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choices and number eight and finally

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that we are conscious beings and we

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cannot explain ourselves by mere

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chemicals we're something beyond

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2:09:58.960,2:10:04.000
chemicals but atheism only has a

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2:10:01.719,2:10:06.550
worldview that says all that exists or

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chemicals because Christopher does a see

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atheist friends have not been able to

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2:10:08.530,2:10:12.550
explain any of these realities from an

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atheistic perspective they have instead

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relied on speculation in faith I don't

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have enough faith to be an atheist as

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one more other point Christopher may

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2:10:20.710,2:10:25.600
think that there is no God and he hates

2:10:22.800,2:10:25.600


2:10:22.810,2:10:30.719
him but God thinks there is a

2:10:25.590,2:10:30.719


2:10:25.600,2:10:30.719
Christopher Hitchens and God loves him

2:10:49.040,2:10:49.040


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well then I think let's first certainly

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thank our debaters for a lively and

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2:10:56.320,2:10:59.400
stimulating evening

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2:11:19.659,2:11:23.859
good evening thank you again for coming