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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.65,0:00:02.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:04.49,0:00:05.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good morning.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.78,0:00:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very, very excited to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.15,0:00:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This, I think, is probably the largest crowd
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.18,0:00:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I've spoken to before.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.100,0:00:14.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's kind of interesting to see how ...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.37,0:00:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I probably wouldn't be here
Dialogue: 0,0:00:17.79,0:00:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it wasn't for going out and learning
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.62,0:00:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and practicing Street Epistemology.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.22,0:00:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think one of the reasons \Nwhy I'm up here is
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.41,0:00:27.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this approach has \Nreally sparked an interest.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.85,0:00:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just a regular guy \Nwho decided to go out
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.32,0:00:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just have conversations with people.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.05,0:00:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it's gotten a lot of attention
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.01,0:00:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from folks and I'm very excited \Nto share it with you.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.90,0:00:39.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this actually could be
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.85,0:00:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a turning point for atheism.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.99,0:00:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I forgot that I have slides. \NThere we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.19,0:00:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.93,0:00:47.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.94,0:00:51.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think Street Epistemology is going
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.24,0:00:55.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be critical to the success of atheism.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.07,0:00:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is why I'm very excited \Nto tell you about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.83,0:01:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're gonna get really into
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.27,0:01:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my journey and this method.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.82,0:01:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:09.67,0:01:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also want to talk a little bit about truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.55,0:01:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to kind of take a step back a little bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.17,0:01:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we have conversations with people,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.63,0:01:19.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usually we're interested in
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.95,0:01:22.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing their mind or helping them to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.22,0:01:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believe true things and usually we want
Dialogue: 0,0:01:24.22,0:01:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to believe true things as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.14,0:01:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we engage in debate or dialogue
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.37,0:01:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or conversation with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.53,0:01:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we have to remind ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.61,0:01:35.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we ourselves are just \Nas capable of believing things
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.62,0:01:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are not true.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.87,0:01:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's entirely possible
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.19,0:01:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a lot of the things \Nthat I believe are not true.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.16,0:01:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, what is the best way \Nto determine what is true?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.59,0:01:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the best way\Nto determine what is not true?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.70,0:01:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are questions that have troubled \Nhumanity from the beginning,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.98,0:02:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as atheists I think we try \Nto accomplish this question about God
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.40,0:02:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we engage in debate \Nwith people we tend to argue
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.09,0:02:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with them or discuss the finer points
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.92,0:02:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Bible, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.28,0:02:14.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's oftentimes hard to get
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.47,0:02:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the mindset of a believer
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.23,0:02:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless you discuss \Nwhat that person believes.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.06,0:02:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We tend to focus a lot about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.70,0:02:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We tend to focus a lot about \Nwhat the person believes
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.84,0:02:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as opposed to their \Nreasons or their method.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.50,0:02:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it's really important
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.57,0:02:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that as atheists we need \Nto find a better way
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.07,0:02:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of figuring out what is true
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.04,0:02:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and helping people figure out what is not true.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.90,0:02:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again that's why \NI'm so excited to be here
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.75,0:02:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to tell you about this method
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.22,0:02:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think this might be the thing
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.23,0:02:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that helps atheists have better conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.84,0:02:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the believers who are making these claims.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.38,0:02:53.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.23,0:02:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I brought along--
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.44,0:02:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, did I kick out...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.68,0:02:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bruce here?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.06,0:03:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you maximize that?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.60,0:03:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, that may have been my fault--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.32,0:03:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. So, I brought along \Na couple of video clips here.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.63,0:03:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, just still just a little warning.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.79,0:03:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first video clip I want to show you
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.29,0:03:11.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is about two minutes long.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.77,0:03:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got five video clips total,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.39,0:03:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I want to kind of show \Nyou how I used to go out
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.39,0:03:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have talks with believers.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.24,0:03:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a street preacher \Nin front of the Alamo.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.90,0:03:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this was back in 2012.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.15,0:03:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is about two minutes long.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.12,0:03:30.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He does talk about hell during this video.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.14,0:03:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, fair warning if that troubles you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.13,0:03:35.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You might want to be aware of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.12,0:03:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, there are some people that are \Nreally troubled by it and that's fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.73,0:03:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, just fair warning.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.94,0:03:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is NOT an example \Nof Street Epistemology.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.65,0:03:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't watch this video, \Nwalk out and think:
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.59,0:03:48.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,�Oh, that's what Street Epistemology is.�
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.49,0:03:50.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other takeaway \NI wanted to let you know
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.51,0:03:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that I'm not really \Nproud of this exchange.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.12,0:03:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.37,0:03:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, here we go.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.69,0:03:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Street preacher Phil.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.36,0:03:57.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Jesus says,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.03,0:03:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Playing video clip]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.00,0:04:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"My mother and my brotheren are these
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.83,0:04:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which hear the word of God and do it."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.66,0:04:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: You said that already.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.20,0:04:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: You have the Word of God. \NIt's in the King James Bible.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.42,0:04:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not the Book of Mormon.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.14,0:04:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not the Kabbalah.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.03,0:04:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not the Babylonian Talmud.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.68,0:04:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's just a word of God.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.06,0:04:17.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The King James Bible.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.32,0:04:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: There's just as much evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.58,0:04:20.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for those Gods as there's for your God.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.79,0:04:21.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Not really.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.66,0:04:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Yes, there is.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.28,0:04:24.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's zero evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.53,0:04:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: The Scripture says:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.02,0:04:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Christ Jesus came \Ninto the world to save sinners."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.22,0:04:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: That's what it says, but why \Nshould we believe it today?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.13,0:04:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why should we believe that?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.10,0:04:36.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Now are you a Mormon \Nor a Baptist or a Catholic
Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.35,0:04:39.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a Methodist, but are you saved?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.50,0:04:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Bible says we must be saved.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.49,0:04:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus saved me in 1987 in the month of December
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.96,0:04:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm not going back to what I was.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.99,0:04:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm no better than anybody else
Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.47,0:04:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but, my friends, as a street preacher
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.06,0:04:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I gotta warn you: There is a hell \Nand you're going there.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.50,0:05:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: There's absolutely no there's
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.43,0:05:03.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,absolutely no evidence for a hell
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.01,0:05:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a heaven or a purgatory.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.46,0:05:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no evidence for that at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.53,0:05:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: You'll find out!
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.35,0:05:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: How could you believe in something now
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.07,0:05:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without even knowing that it's true?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.73,0:05:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: You point to the Bible again.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.48,0:05:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's no evidence \Nthat the Bible is true.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.14,0:05:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: You don't believe it, dude.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.99,0:05:26.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Of course I don't. \NI'm not convinced that it is true.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.04,0:05:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Well, that's all right.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.29,0:05:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not condemning you \Nbecause you don't, man!
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.44,0:05:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: You're making the claim.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.24,0:05:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You need to prove to me that it is true.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.57,0:05:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: I don't have \Nto prove to you anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.16,0:05:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Yes, you do!
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.91,0:05:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't stand out here \Nand make claims as if it's a fact!
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.77,0:05:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Right here, man, that's my facts!
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.09,0:05:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: And scare these people and young kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.50,0:05:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Hey, listen dude ...
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.46,0:05:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: What's wrong with you?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.05,0:05:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.18,0:05:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.27,0:05:54.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was kind of hoping that would \NNOT draw an applause line�
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.03,0:05:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.91,0:06:00.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, at the time it \Nfelt good to humiliate him.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.07,0:06:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It really did.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.88,0:06:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was saying this nonsense \Nand just yelling things and ...
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.98,0:06:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't aware that there is
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.46,0:06:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a potentially better way \Nto interact with believers.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.06,0:06:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I was arguing with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.73,0:06:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just doing what just seemed natural
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.04,0:06:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to point him to evidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.77,0:06:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to challenge what he was saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.73,0:06:20.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I didn't realize it at the time
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.83,0:06:23.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it probably \Ndidn't make me as an atheist
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.31,0:06:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look very good standing out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.54,0:06:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I watch this even I noticed \Nthat he explains
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.74,0:06:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why he believes that it was true.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.11,0:06:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had a difficulty way back
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.30,0:06:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he gave an exact date.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.87,0:06:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was some momentous occasion
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.50,0:06:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he didn't want \Nto go back to that time.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.57,0:06:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't want to go back
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.80,0:06:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that time of where he was hurting.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.45,0:06:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there's the motivation behind his belief.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.16,0:06:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I couldn't even see it
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.70,0:06:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was so interested in arguing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.25,0:06:50.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with him and tearing him down.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.39,0:06:54.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, that approach \NI think does have its place.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.27,0:06:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look there's people \Nin the background watching.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.92,0:06:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a young couple there.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.14,0:07:00.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Behind the sign there's a little kid.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.15,0:07:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you never know what that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.93,0:07:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,takeaway may have been.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.35,0:07:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They may have been \Nshocked to hear somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.71,0:07:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,standing up to a believer making a claim.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.98,0:07:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They may have gone home \Nto figure out is the Bible true.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.68,0:07:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You never know how that may
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.33,0:07:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have landed with people observing.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.35,0:07:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But let's think about Phil.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.40,0:07:21.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you think that his mind \Nwas changed that day?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.44,0:07:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's probably unlikely.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.33,0:07:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More than likely he went home, \Nread his Bible, said a prayer
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.86,0:07:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was emboldened by that conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.28,0:07:34.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's probably thinking that it's \Nmore true now than ever before
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.23,0:07:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because his belief stood up
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.71,0:07:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the scrutiny of somebody yelling at him.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.11,0:07:42.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just a little side note:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.02,0:07:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I follow the street preacher \Ncommunity a little bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.15,0:07:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They love it when people argue with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.17,0:07:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They love getting crowds.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.82,0:07:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the worst things I think you could do
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.69,0:07:50.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is argue with a street preacher
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.41,0:07:52.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and draw a crowd because \Nthey see that as a success.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.55,0:07:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, please try to avoid \Ndoing that if you can.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.10,0:07:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I wasn't that aggressive \Nwith my family members.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.00,0:08:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, there was a brother-in-law.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.65,0:08:02.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe I was a little bit like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.38,0:08:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.53,0:08:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'd laugh at them
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.30,0:08:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'd spend hours digging up facts
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.08,0:08:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show that they were mistaken
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.21,0:08:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I jeopardized those relationships
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.39,0:08:13.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm still trying to rebuild them.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.17,0:08:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though my style has \Nchanged completely from that,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.85,0:08:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm still trying to repair \Nthose relationships
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.76,0:08:19.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's what kind
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.78,0:08:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of one of the reasons \Nwhy I'm so eager
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.66,0:08:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be talking to you today
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.38,0:08:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I suspect that \Nmany people have damaged
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.65,0:08:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relationships with their loved ones
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.38,0:08:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and friends and co-workers and so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.47,0:08:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm really excited to be able
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.13,0:08:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to tell you about this approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.32,0:08:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, let's talk a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.44,0:08:38.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Street Epistemology here.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.36,0:08:41.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.46,0:08:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think Street Epistemology might be
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.12,0:08:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the best approach for having \None-on-one conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.89,0:08:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with people about their deeply held belief.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.61,0:08:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand that that's a bold claim,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.53,0:08:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I've been doing this for five years
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.68,0:08:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've had profound \None-on-one conversations,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.67,0:09:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes two-on-one.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.01,0:09:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll talked to a Mormon couple.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.48,0:09:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we've talked for 30 minutes \Nand it was one of the best conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.97,0:09:07.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I think I've ever had.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.66,0:09:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, before I could explain why I think
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.48,0:09:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Street Epistemology is going to be
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.44,0:09:14.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fundamental to the success of atheism
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.24,0:09:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--that it's a turning point
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.00,0:09:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--I need to explain to you \Nwhat Street Epistemology is.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.98,0:09:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the "street" part of it simply means:
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.88,0:09:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"laymen engagements."
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.13,0:09:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're having a conversation \Nwith somebody.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.39,0:09:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're not necessarily \Nan expert in the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.89,0:09:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the Bible or what the claim is,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.03,0:09:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you can engage with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.80,0:09:32.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's actually one of the strengths \Nof this method, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.93,0:09:34.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that you don't really have
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.40,0:09:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be well-versed in the doctrine
Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.17,0:09:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have these dialogues.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.60,0:09:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, I think the less \Nyou know about the claim
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.54,0:09:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the better questions you'll form
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.67,0:09:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you have these conversations.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.76,0:09:48.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the "epistemology" part \Nis the study of knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.65,0:09:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's how a person determined \Nthat their belief is true.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.53,0:09:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you hear the word "epistemology",
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.90,0:09:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my recommendation would be:
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.14,0:09:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just think of the word "method".
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.71,0:10:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Think of technique, think of approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.26,0:10:01.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.89,0:10:04.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like to think of SE \Nas a tool that we can use
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.94,0:10:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to challenge people respectfully.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.57,0:10:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this isn't my creation.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.29,0:10:12.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't come up with this.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.75,0:10:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This came from a book called
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.15,0:10:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'A Manual for Creating Atheists' \Nby Dr. Peter Boghossian.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.23,0:10:21.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's based on the Socratic Method.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.30,0:10:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I read the book,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.45,0:10:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started looking for examples online
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.01,0:10:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there were no examples at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.61,0:10:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would go out.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.93,0:10:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was going out to try to\Ndo Street Epistemology.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.45,0:10:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was one good "why" question in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.43,0:10:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was yelling at that preacher:
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.88,0:10:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Why do you think that it's true?"
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.60,0:10:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there was no rapport building,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.85,0:10:42.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the tone was horrible,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.03,0:10:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I certainly wasn't trying \Nto understand his methodology.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.81,0:10:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I've been going out
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.53,0:10:50.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trying to sort of perfect that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.77,0:10:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or hone this method \Nthe last five years.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.51,0:10:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's the definition of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.11,0:10:56.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Couple points of here.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.28,0:10:59.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Street Epistemology \Nis a conversational tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.23,0:11:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not a debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.03,0:11:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a polite discussion and it is a tool.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.57,0:11:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's something that you can use
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.97,0:11:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the situation is appropriate \Ndepending on your goals.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.66,0:11:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the conversations tend
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.26,0:11:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help people reflect or think
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.15,0:11:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about their belief long \Nafter the conversation ends.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.54,0:11:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I have a dialogue with somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.51,0:11:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they think about it then and there
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.96,0:11:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but never think about it again,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.19,0:11:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that's really \Nnot much of a success to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.90,0:11:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want these conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.80,0:11:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to resonate with folks.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.02,0:11:32.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we challenge \Nthe method that they used.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.31,0:11:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did they use a reliable method
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.01,0:11:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to come to that conclusion?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.26,0:11:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.80,0:11:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, one of the things I think
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.37,0:11:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I need to kind of get \Nout of the way really quick
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.34,0:11:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are some misconceptions of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.50,0:11:46.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the word "street" is in there
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.50,0:11:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of the examples are people
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.67,0:11:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going out with video cameras
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.10,0:11:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and uploading their conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.88,0:11:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're like; "Oh, you're just like
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.57,0:11:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,proselytizing for atheism there.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.87,0:11:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,�This is like Ray Comfort or something."
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.42,0:12:02.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are no bananas \Nin Street Epistemology.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.16,0:12:03.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.46,0:12:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.22,0:12:09.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Street Epistemology honestly \Nis about helping people.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.28,0:12:10.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's helping people slow down
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.86,0:12:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and think about the belief \Nthat they formed.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.64,0:12:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And did they use a reliable method.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.31,0:12:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's not just about God claims.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.82,0:12:17.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could be about anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.20,0:12:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of my best conversations have been
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.72,0:12:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with atheists who are dogmatically \Nsure there are no Gods.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.37,0:12:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,SE is really good about encouraging
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.01,0:12:28.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people to be less dogmatic
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.29,0:12:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the beliefs that they formed.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.34,0:12:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we try to uncover truth.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.19,0:12:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now these conversations \Ncan be initiated or organic.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.35,0:12:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My preference is \Nto have an organic chat
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.90,0:12:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like when I get in an Uber,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.50,0:12:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I almost always have a chat
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.24,0:12:45.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the driver about something.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.93,0:12:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They make a claim and it's game on.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.80,0:12:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can start asking questions \Nand we usually end it on good terms
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.04,0:12:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they usually give me a 5 star rating.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.08,0:12:55.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think that's okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.05,0:12:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I do the same for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.36,0:13:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I can understand how people \Nmight make the connection
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.72,0:13:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is like atheist \Nevangelizing or something
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.62,0:13:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm here giving a talk on Street \NEpistemology to American Atheists.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.83,0:13:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I could understand how \Nyou can make that connection.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.17,0:13:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is a tool that can be used \Nfor all different types of claims.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.51,0:13:17.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't just have to be \Nabout challenging people about God.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.85,0:13:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is so much about placing \Na pebble in a person's shoe,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.33,0:13:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helping the person reflect \Non their belief formation process,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.31,0:13:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so later, when the conversation�s over,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.85,0:13:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they can ask themselves: \N"Do I need to maintain this belief?"
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.01,0:13:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do I need to lower \Nmy confidence in this belief?"
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.50,0:13:38.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Should I discard this belief outright?"
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.80,0:13:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I wanted to put Street \NEpistemology in graphical form.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.02,0:13:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I have had a thousand \Nconversations at least.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.30,0:13:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started looking at transcripts
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.36,0:13:51.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I started noticing a little pattern:
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.77,0:13:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That we spend a little bit of time talking
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.78,0:13:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what they believe,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.24,0:13:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit more time talking \Nabout why they believe it,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.86,0:14:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we spend a lot more time talking
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.55,0:14:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how they determined that \Nthat belief is true.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.88,0:14:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that I think is what makes \Nthese conversations unique,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.57,0:14:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Socratic, and Street Epistemology,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.20,0:14:12.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that we're interested in their methodology.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.96,0:14:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's a different way of looking at it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.83,0:14:18.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same pyramid, but different words.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.09,0:14:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we're interested in what they believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.01,0:14:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We want to understand their reasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.68,0:14:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their main reason,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.86,0:14:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's the methodology \Nthat they used.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.51,0:14:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, when you think of Street \NEpistemology, think "method."
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.76,0:14:29.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're very, very interested in the method.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.57,0:14:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if the method is faulty,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.72,0:14:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the other things above it collapse.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.72,0:14:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.70,0:14:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, that doesn't mean that \Nwhat they're believing is not true.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.61,0:14:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they've based it on it\N[on an unreliable foundation].
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.47,0:14:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could base something on faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.65,0:14:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can realize it's a faulty methodology
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.44,0:14:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what I'm believing \Ncould actually still be true.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.14,0:14:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I get that, but ones confidence should \Nprobably be adjusted accordingly
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.70,0:14:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they learned that \Ntheir method was unreliable.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.57,0:15:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.69,0:15:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A couple of video examples here.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.20,0:15:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to talk to that actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.85,0:15:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I was also thinking \Nabout these little [pyramid] sections here.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.13,0:15:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we talk \Nabout what a person believes,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.40,0:15:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's usually what the preacher \Ntells you in Church.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.33,0:15:17.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,�This is what the Bible says,"
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.30,0:15:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,�This is what we believe."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.21,0:15:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you get to the apologists,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.81,0:15:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people that defend the faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.07,0:15:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a guy [during the Q&A of the previous speaker]\Nwho said he was an apologist..
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.84,0:15:26.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are folks that defend the faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.67,0:15:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They come up with reasons \Nto justify the belief.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.70,0:15:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.49,0:15:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there's this reason level,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.91,0:15:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but very few people \Nare looking at their foundation.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.61,0:15:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's why these questions \NI think are powerful.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.34,0:15:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we're not concerned \Nwith what you believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.73,0:15:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not really concerned with why, \Nbut how did you determine that it's true.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.44,0:15:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the apologists \Nare taken aback by this.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.56,0:15:49.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll get into this a little bit later.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.37,0:15:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're a little worried about this.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.09,0:15:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay!
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.00,0:15:56.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I first started doing this \Nthere were no video examples.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.95,0:16:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today there are hundreds and some \Nof my favorites are not even mine.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.40,0:16:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's really neat to see other people
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.78,0:16:05.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going out, people in France and England.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.94,0:16:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finland, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.03,0:16:11.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are going out and having talks \Nall across the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.60,0:16:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is probably an understatement,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.72,0:16:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Street Epistemology \Ndid not come naturally to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.11,0:16:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was arguing with\Nstreet preacher Phil there
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.00,0:16:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a good year and a half, I was.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.93,0:16:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I was getting out of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.48,0:16:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was evolving, but uploading these \Nvideos, as horrible as they were,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.32,0:16:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was getting feedback from folks saying;
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.51,0:16:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, is that really Street Epistemology?"
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.72,0:16:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And, "Shouldn't you be asking questions \Nrather than telling them what to think."
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.92,0:16:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it was changing \Nthe way that I was behaving,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.47,0:16:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was changing my interactions, \Nand I think, for the better.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.39,0:16:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I realized that it's kind of difficult \Nto explain what Street Epistemology is.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.18,0:16:51.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to show you a couple of examples.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.99,0:16:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have four little video clips, \Nand they're super short.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.48,0:16:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This next one this is a good one.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.68,0:17:02.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A couple of things here.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.41,0:17:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to make sure \Nnot to laugh into the mic.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.32,0:17:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, a couple things here.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.76,0:17:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Set aside your view on pornography \Nwhether you think it's harmful or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.19,0:17:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not the point of this little clip.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.07,0:17:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The point is to demonstrate \Nthe mechanics of Street Epistemology.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.80,0:17:17.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This also shows that you don't have
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.77,0:17:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to use Street Epistemology \Nfor just God claims.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.74,0:17:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's excellent for it,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.20,0:17:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in this case the topic \Nof pornography comes up here.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.04,0:17:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other takeaway, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.05,0:17:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is try to set aside your biases.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.86,0:17:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I'm having a dialogue with a person,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.15,0:17:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my stance on pornography \Nis not important at this point.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.67,0:17:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to understand why HE thinks \Nthat it's harmful for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.72,0:17:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that's what \Nthis conversation is about.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.34,0:17:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And pay close attention to the real reason
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.54,0:17:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why he holds his view on pornography.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.94,0:17:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: The scientific evidence is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.95,0:17:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like any kind of drug, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.80,0:17:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, the first time you watch it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.57,0:17:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Do you value scientific evidence?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.06,0:18:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.34,0:18:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Denzel, if we can provide you,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.29,0:18:08.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I can provide you or \Nsomebody that follows us closely..
Dialogue: 0,0:18:08.36,0:18:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I discovered some scientific evidence \Nthat showed that everything
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.25,0:18:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you've just \Ndescribed very eloquently,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.57,0:18:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it doesn't work in that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.21,0:18:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've interviewed 10,000 porn stars
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.37,0:18:22.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a hundred thousand men and women.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.65,0:18:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the overall result \Nsuggests that it's a positive.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.52,0:18:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.22,0:18:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People feel better about themselves. \NThey�re living longer,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.05,0:18:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marriages are actually prospering,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.60,0:18:39.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crime is going down, like across the board.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.09,0:18:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't even know \Nif that can even be measured,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.30,0:18:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if it could, \Nif there was a reliable study that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.75,0:18:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showed something completely different \Nthan what you're outlining just now,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.39,0:18:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would you change your mind on it?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.50,0:18:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: No, I wouldn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.80,0:18:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because at the end of the day
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.72,0:19:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do value like, you know, \Nscientific evidence, historical evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.08,0:19:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that kind of stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.46,0:19:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But at the heart of it I'm a Christian.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.29,0:19:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I live by a finite set of principles.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.85,0:19:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.75,0:19:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was Denzel.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.54,0:19:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, we could have \Nspent a lot of time wasted
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.94,0:19:20.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just discussing pornography,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.17,0:19:24.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he admits there \Nthat it's not based on evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.45,0:19:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if he was shown evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.05,0:19:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it was not harmful, \Nhe'd still hold the belief.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.60,0:19:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what I love about \Nthis method is that it's efficient.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.57,0:19:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to spend any time \Narguing about things that don't matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.51,0:19:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If somebody raises contradictions \Nin the Bible as their reason, but they�d
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.44,0:19:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still believe if every contradiction \Nwas adequately explained,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.40,0:19:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't discuss contradictions with them.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:45.32,0:19:46.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Move on to the real reasons.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.43,0:19:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get to the core.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.43,0:19:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get to the lowest level.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.16,0:19:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that�s what I think is so great \Nabout Street Epistemology.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.59,0:19:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I were to meet with him again,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.96,0:19:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't discuss porn at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.15,0:19:58.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would talk about why \Nhe thinks his God is real.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.29,0:20:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what's really interesting is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.88,0:20:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that once that God belief goes,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.26,0:20:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many other beliefs fall away.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.05,0:20:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, and I'm sure many people \Nhere used to believe in God..
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.19,0:20:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you lose that God belief,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.62,0:20:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so many other things fall by the wayside.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.50,0:20:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I'd love the efficiency of this approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.65,0:20:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you may have noticed that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.16,0:20:18.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't give him statistics
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.49,0:20:21.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show how beneficial pornography \Nwas or anything like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.77,0:20:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It probably would've been way more
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.89,0:20:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,likely [this this talk] would have been
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.26,0:20:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a waste of time with this individual.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:26.97,0:20:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, there's this thing \Ncalled the backfire effect.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.12,0:20:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if I'm...
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.48,0:20:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Show of hands, who's heard of this before?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.23,0:20:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lots of hands, good. \NOkay.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.71,0:20:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, this is somewhat controversial.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.43,0:20:40.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a hypothesis that suggests
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.66,0:20:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if you provide people with evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.73,0:20:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that shows that they're mistaken,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.99,0:20:46.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially on a belief that's \Nvery tied to who they are,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.85,0:20:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are less likely \Nto accept your evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.57,0:20:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and let it change their mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.08,0:20:55.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the backfire effect part of that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.80,0:20:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that some people even \Nbelieve what they believe even more.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.07,0:21:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There does seem to be some \Nnew research that suggests that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.91,0:21:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people sometimes \Nmight accept your evidence,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.90,0:21:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but their attitude doesn't \Nchange about the belief.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.26,0:21:11.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think we're still good \Nwith the SE thing here.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.08,0:21:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's the beauty of this approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.58,0:21:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're not debating what they believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.70,0:21:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We aren't dismissing their reasons.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.84,0:21:20.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't need to know anything
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.41,0:21:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about their holy book \Nor anything like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.54,0:21:26.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't even have to provide evidence \Nto a person when you have these talks.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.11,0:21:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It kind of takes the pressure off.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.74,0:21:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I'm a questioner, help me understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.73,0:21:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teach me why you think that this is true."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.02,0:21:35.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you start looking at \Nthese conversations that way,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.83,0:21:38.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's really like I said,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.49,0:21:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it does take the pressure off.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.80,0:21:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It makes these conversations \Nso much easier.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.26,0:21:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And somebody once described this approach
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.63,0:21:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as making people "comfortably uncomfortable."
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.98,0:21:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You may have noticed the difference
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.58,0:21:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the conversation with Denzel
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.33,0:21:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the one with Phil.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.49,0:21:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How drastic a difference.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.17,0:21:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was asking him questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.59,0:22:01.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was listening to him, \Nand that type of thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.52,0:22:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.28,0:22:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One more video clip.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.73,0:22:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got about 15-16 minutes, \Nit looks like, left.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.76,0:22:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Gordon. \NThis is two and a half minutes long.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.53,0:22:12.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's elderly and I picked this one
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.02,0:22:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because a lot of the early examples
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.56,0:22:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I uploaded was me interviewing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.16,0:22:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,college-age students on campuses
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.34,0:22:19.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people would say\N�you're just picking on young,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.86,0:22:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inexperienced people."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.90,0:22:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I said "I'm gonna go \Ntalk to some older people."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.08,0:22:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, for the last two years I've been
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.41,0:22:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this hiking trail, talking to people,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.87,0:22:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is Gordon.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.45,0:22:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, there's really no age limit
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.20,0:22:33.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but during this little talk,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.78,0:22:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is two minutes long,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.13,0:22:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the video will stop twice \Nwhen he says something
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.63,0:22:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I think would be \Nraw meat to an atheist.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.46,0:22:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where you'd hear it and you're like:
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.89,0:22:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"There's no way he's \Ngetting away with that."
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.27,0:22:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.21,0:22:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the video pauses at those moments
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.14,0:22:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a picture of my face will appear.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.57,0:22:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was gonna have a picture\Nof raw meat show up.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.43,0:23:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just my face like: \N"Mm-hmm� in a thinker�s pose.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.52,0:23:02.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When that happens you'll be alerted
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.19,0:23:04.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that and there's a really \Nbig reveal at the end.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.64,0:23:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, pay attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.43,0:23:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Why Gordon do you believe \Nthat a God even exists?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.35,0:23:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Because I was brought up a Christian.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.65,0:23:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've brought up to believe that.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:17.81,0:23:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.34,0:23:22.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: How long have you had the belief?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.83,0:23:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Since I was able to think.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.47,0:23:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[he laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.35,0:23:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it gets stronger as I grew older.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.65,0:23:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.24,0:23:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.14,0:23:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Yesterday I ran into a family that \Nhad a little four month-old baby
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.53,0:23:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Uh-huh.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.99,0:23:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: and they identified themselves as Christians,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.35,0:23:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they could have easily been Hindus or
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.15,0:23:54.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Muslims or Pagans ...
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.42,0:23:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Doesn't matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.57,0:23:57.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, not Pagans. \NPagans are non-believers.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.84,0:24:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.58,0:24:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, it doesn't matter what \Nwhat religion you come from
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.15,0:24:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what your ethnicity is
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.61,0:24:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as you believe in a Supreme Being.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.83,0:24:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can call him Allah or God or
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.65,0:24:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Neihu or whatever as long as you believe
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.58,0:24:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the same being, it doesn't matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.97,0:24:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Let's say that little girl is raised
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.43,0:24:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to believe that there's no God.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.76,0:24:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Well, I feel sorry for her.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.64,0:24:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.70,0:24:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Would she be just \Nas correct in her belief as you
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.58,0:24:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being raised with your belief?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.04,0:24:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Just as correct?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.65,0:24:41.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I mean ...
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.19,0:24:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Why not?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.21,0:24:47.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Because just we're all \Ncreated for us by God
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.66,0:24:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we look for eternal life
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.46,0:24:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that comes through salvation.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.78,0:24:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you don't believe in God \Nthen you can't have salvation.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.20,0:25:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Are you saying that if a child
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.05,0:25:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is raised to believe in a God,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.66,0:25:07.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're justified in having the belief
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.83,0:25:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if a child is raised \Nto believe in no gods, they're not?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.58,0:25:13.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: A young child has no concept
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.29,0:25:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what's right or wrong at that point.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.48,0:25:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They believe only what they're told
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.23,0:25:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so what they are taught
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.55,0:25:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the first five years of life
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.90,0:25:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will probably be with them \Nfor the rest of their life.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.64,0:25:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is unfortunate.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:26.60,0:25:29.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughing]
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.08,0:25:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.54,0:25:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, because I avoided the raw meat
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.65,0:25:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those two exchanges there
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.20,0:25:43.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when he said that.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.16,0:25:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said pagans are non-believers.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.74,0:25:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, that's not true.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.89,0:25:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could have interrupted him
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.37,0:25:48.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and corrected him \Nand we could have gone on
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.65,0:25:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this different tangent, but I didn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.02,0:25:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just let it go. \NIt's not important, really.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.06,0:25:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he said; \N"I'd feel sorry for the little girl
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.15,0:25:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was raised atheist."
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.16,0:25:59.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That pisses me off.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.63,0:26:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have two kids \Nand they're the greatest kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.64,0:26:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that really has nothing to do with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.17,0:26:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if I went ... \NIf I chased those distractions,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:08.24,0:26:11.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would have been really \Nunfortunate if I had done that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.68,0:26:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we wouldn't have had
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.07,0:26:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that wonderful discovery \Nat the end, really quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.27,0:26:23.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's easy to be angry \Nwhen you hear stuff like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.06,0:26:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. \NBecause let's face it:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.24,0:26:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were told lies by the people \Nthat we love and it hurts.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.04,0:26:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a right to be angry.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.17,0:26:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We really do and yet most of us \Nfound our way out.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.53,0:26:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm hopeful that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:36.77,0:26:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can channel that anger \Ninto something positive.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.69,0:26:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Try to let those things slide
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.21,0:26:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the benefit of the conversation,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.83,0:26:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the benefit of the discovery.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.76,0:26:47.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like I did there with our friend Gordon.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.20,0:26:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright. \NI've got one more clip
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.64,0:26:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gosh, I just have 10 minutes left.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.73,0:26:54.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I'm going to skip this clip
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.20,0:26:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That kills me to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.92,0:26:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Protest from the public]
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.60,0:27:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not in my control. \NI'm sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.70,0:27:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.66,0:27:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This clip that's this minute...
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.91,0:27:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm trying to decide where to go here.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.63,0:27:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, let's stop talking about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.87,0:27:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna show you one more clip.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.03,0:27:16.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I talked about the angry atheist.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.68,0:27:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Joanna, and we're on a trail.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.54,0:27:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She said she was ninety percent \Nconfident that God it was real.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.62,0:27:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She pumps it up to a hundred \Nafter ten minutes into the talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.30,0:27:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is about twenty minutes into the talk.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.48,0:27:28.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a five-minute chat
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.47,0:27:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want you to notice
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.11,0:27:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,her thinker's pose.\NAnd notice the pacing of this,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.19,0:27:34.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,notice the calm nature of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.95,0:27:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,notice the respect and the attention,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.55,0:27:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the intention of \Nwanting to fully understand
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.77,0:27:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what she's saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.78,0:27:46.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: If this belief that's in your head
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.92,0:27:49.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this hundred percent certainty
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.55,0:27:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the God exists
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.79,0:27:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is based on a foundation of you being \Nraised and taught something,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.02,0:28:02.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can you be certain \Nthat it's actually true?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.36,0:28:07.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: That's kind of like we \Nwe�re talking about earlier.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.10,0:28:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very faith-based.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.95,0:28:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: We're gonna to definitely have \Nto unpack this faith based thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.17,0:28:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: It's pretty broad.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.09,0:28:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um ...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:17.93,0:28:19.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: On what is a faith based...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.47,0:28:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: "Faith based" is that you can't see Him.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:22.50,0:28:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't always hear Him.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.13,0:28:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You just have to believe that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.85,0:28:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He'll pull through for your favor.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.76,0:28:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even if it isn't in your favor,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.45,0:28:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can work into your favor somehow.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.33,0:28:34.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause a lot of negative \Nthings happen in life,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.73,0:28:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but really depends \Non which route you take.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.14,0:28:40.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.70,0:28:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gosh...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.51,0:28:43.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How...
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.65,0:28:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the only way to put it too.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.06,0:28:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just think it's something \Nthat's inside of you as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.96,0:28:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which could go along other religions, too.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.50,0:28:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause, like, being out in nature
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.00,0:28:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gives you a lot of peace.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.34,0:28:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I pray I have a lot of peace.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.71,0:29:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like I have more direction.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.00,0:29:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I pause and reflect more.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.53,0:29:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.38,0:29:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can never be...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.73,0:29:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ahh...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.59,0:29:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of like you're thinking \Nabout that 90%, but...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.05,0:29:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know how else to put it!
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.78,0:29:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's hard.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.50,0:29:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't actually talked that out \Nwith somebody before fully.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.83,0:29:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't really have words.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.28,0:29:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: That's fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.50,0:29:25.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now can I ask you one more question\Nand then we'll wrap it up?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.98,0:29:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.06,0:29:38.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: I suppose my question is:
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.25,0:29:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you couldn't use faith \Nto conclude that your God exists,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:45.77,0:29:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to know with 100% level of confidence...
Dialogue: 0,0:29:48.67,0:29:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If a faith-based foundation \Nwasn't an option for you,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.71,0:29:54.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Mmm-hmm.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.59,0:30:00.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where do you think you would be in terms \Nof your confidence that God existed.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.03,0:30:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: It wouldn't be very high.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.62,0:30:07.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because like I said before, there's not really ...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.26,0:30:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's not literally standing \Nin front of us, right now?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.05,0:30:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IF that makes sense. I mean ...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.61,0:30:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: So, you can't see Him, \Nyou can't hear ...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.50,0:30:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: A lot of people kind of need \Nconcrete things in front of them
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.56,0:30:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to kind of have that 100% ... faith.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.68,0:30:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not faith-based, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.07,0:30:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,100% trust in something.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.35,0:30:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially something that you \Nbase your whole life off of.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.37,0:30:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like if you don't have ...
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.02,0:30:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Faith is one of those things where you \Ndon't always feel like you're in control.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.64,0:30:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I feel like as humans \Nwe always like to have control.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.43,0:30:45.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's another thing where I kind of stray
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.15,0:30:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone kind of strays off of their path,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.00,0:30:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I always find my way back.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.81,0:30:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.49,0:30:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,May I ask you one more question.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.81,0:30:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I promise this will be \Nthe last one unless you say:
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.44,0:30:58.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Please, keep asking me questions."\NBut this is my last.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.48,0:31:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In these conversations
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.97,0:31:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I've had with lots of people
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.89,0:31:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless of what God they believe in
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.58,0:31:11.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and regardless of how they were raised.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.95,0:31:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will often say that \N"I believe it because of faith."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.08,0:31:17.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't see the God. \NI can't hear the God.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.40,0:31:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I believe it and they are believing
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.44,0:31:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in completely different \Ndeities, wildly different.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.23,0:31:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.26,0:31:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, my last question to you is:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.90,0:31:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Sounds]
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.34,0:31:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is faith a reliable way to come \Nto know something to be true,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.41,0:31:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if anyone can use it for anything?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.67,0:31:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: That's a good question.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.37,0:31:47.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh. Wow!
Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.02,0:31:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You got me there.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.92,0:31:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn't change what I believe.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.30,0:31:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But ...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.50,0:32:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You actually have a good point.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.35,0:32:05.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of religions are a lot of faith ...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.11,0:32:06.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, is faith-based.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.88,0:32:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: I beg your pardon.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.75,0:32:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there another way you can ask that?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.19,0:32:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Or is it a question or is it kind \Nof like an open-ended ...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.16,0:32:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: We can certainly end it on that point \Nand if you want to...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.78,0:32:24.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you seem like a thinker and \Nif you want to think about it
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.84,0:32:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we can ...
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.17,0:32:27.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if I never hear from you again
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.73,0:32:28.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's fine but if you want to ping me,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.93,0:32:29.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can give you my email address.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:30.02,0:32:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.61,0:32:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: I can rephrase it, \Nto leave it with you one more time.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.19,0:32:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can think about it \NI'll give you the card.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.81,0:32:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I suppose the final question
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.37,0:32:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can either answer now
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.54,0:32:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just think about it would be:
Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.12,0:32:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If anyone can use faith \Nto conclude that anything is true,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.31,0:32:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why on earth would they \Nwant to use that method?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.35,0:32:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Mmm-hmm.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.40,0:33:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a good one.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.09,0:33:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to ponder.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.24,0:33:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm definitely a thinker.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.71,0:33:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have five minutes here.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.45,0:33:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, just really quick.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.99,0:33:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you notice the pacing of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.54,0:33:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did you notice that it was calm? \NI was asking questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.91,0:33:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wasn't telling her a damn thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.31,0:33:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just giving her \Nsome of my observations.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.82,0:33:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was telling a story like \Nthe previous speaker had mentioned.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.00,0:33:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The importance of storytelling.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.48,0:33:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now this approach is freaking \Nout professional believers.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.46,0:33:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're worried about it \Nbecause I think they would
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.52,0:33:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather see us argue like I did there \Nwith street preacher Phil.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.75,0:33:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a lot easier to demonize an atheist
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.70,0:33:45.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm behaving like that as opposed to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.78,0:33:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I'm having a cordial conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.74,0:33:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with somebody like Joanna there.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.72,0:33:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. I've got one more video \Nand we got like three minutes left.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.23,0:33:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, let�s wrap this up.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.24,0:33:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This one is one and a half minutes long
Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.96,0:33:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm showing you this video
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.92,0:33:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this one is so cool.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.95,0:34:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's this couple, we start talking \Nhow this fellow is getting pressure from one...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.88,0:34:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a Christian. \NHe's hundred percent sure yet he's getting
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.72,0:34:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pressure from one of his friends
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.30,0:34:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's a Jehovah's Witness.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.35,0:34:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we had this wonderful conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.76,0:34:14.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,His wife came up and listened mostly.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.35,0:34:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he's extolling the virtues \Nof the conversation that he just had
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.78,0:34:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I was using this approach.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.33,0:34:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: But you got me thinking though, Anthony!
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.51,0:34:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I might have to email you.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.85,0:34:23.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James ...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.92,0:34:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Nothing will make me happier.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.59,0:34:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[continues giving his email]
Dialogue: 0,0:34:28.72,0:34:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Don't put it in the junk folder!
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.11,0:34:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: I'll be watching for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.33,0:34:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Yeah, hit me up.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.33,0:34:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd really like to find out if there's
Dialogue: 0,0:34:34.82,0:34:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a better way to conclude\Nthat this God exists
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.52,0:34:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other than the reasons \Nthat you gave me.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.37,0:34:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you find that the reasons
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.05,0:34:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you've explained to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.26,0:34:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very great, very well...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.25,0:34:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: That's a good question for my friend...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.96,0:34:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a good question for him.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.70,0:34:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Why?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.40,0:34:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: 'Cause he's so strong in his beliefs!
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.97,0:34:51.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Mmmm.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:51.74,0:34:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: You know?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.57,0:34:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My buddy, Gilbert.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.49,0:34:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's so strong in his beliefs,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.62,0:34:55.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to ask him:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.54,0:34:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hey, is there..."
Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.53,0:34:59.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"How sure are you?"
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.06,0:35:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"How?"
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.86,0:35:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm going to see what his...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.06,0:35:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think his answers are going to be \Nsimilar to what I just gave you.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.80,0:35:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm going to ask him.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.83,0:35:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: You know what I think would be really cool
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.86,0:35:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is if you were to learn \Nabout Street Epistemology,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.29,0:35:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watch a couple of my videos
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.66,0:35:11.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then engage with your friend.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.43,0:35:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: You got videos on that website?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.35,0:35:13.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.02,0:35:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you email me \NI'll send you the link to my channel
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.75,0:35:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.71,0:35:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: And you can check them out.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.39,0:35:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IL: All right.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.20,0:35:21.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AM: Thank you so much, \Nreally, really enjoyed it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.14,0:35:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lovely talk, thank you. Bye.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.54,0:35:24.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Got me thinking now!
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.39,0:35:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good thing I don't have to work today!
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.14,0:35:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.26,0:35:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.97,0:35:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,James!
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.27,0:35:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you'd like to learn how to do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:40.10,0:35:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we get into a lot more detail.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.35,0:35:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had a workshop yesterday.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.11,0:35:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The organizers here were kind enough
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.59,0:35:49.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to schedule another one for\Ntomorrow at noon in another room.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.47,0:35:51.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that room over there.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.07,0:35:52.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll find it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.81,0:35:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's at Noon tomorrow.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.81,0:35:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are tabling as well. \NAnd just to wrap this up...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:56.35,0:35:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.78,0:35:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me just wrap it up.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.07,0:36:03.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do think that's this method is changing \Nthe way atheists interact with believers.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.43,0:36:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's harder for believers to say:
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.43,0:36:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Don't talk to that person because \Nshe's asking hard questions."
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.73,0:36:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have the truth it should stand up \Nto the scrutiny of some simple questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.94,0:36:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And did you notice in that video \Nhow James was picking up that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.18,0:36:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was asked him "how" questions?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.32,0:36:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"How did he figure out that that's true?"
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.11,0:36:24.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, he was getting it there at the end.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.29,0:36:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I really do think that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.97,0:36:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the history books are written \Non the success of atheism in America
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.85,0:36:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there will be chapters \Non Street Epistemology.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.80,0:36:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, my question to you is:
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.90,0:36:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Are you willing and able \Nto help us make that happen?"
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.49,0:36:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.49,0:36:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Applause]