1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:09,780 JOANNE FARYON (Host): Hello everyone. 2 00:00:09,780 --> 00:00:31,140 Welcome to this Envisionspecial, "Life in Prison." 3 00:00:31,140 --> 00:00:42,080 About one in five of all inmates inCalifornia are serving life sentences. 4 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:48,470 Combined, they could potentially costtaxpayers in this state $140 billion 5 00:00:48,470 --> 00:00:50,480 over the course of their sentences. 6 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:55,500 Lifers are getting more expensive becausethey're aging in prison and rarely paroled. 7 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:59,170 It's all adding up to recordhealth care costs for inmates. 8 00:00:59,170 --> 00:01:04,300 Tonight, we explore the cost ofCalifornia's tough on crime legislation. 9 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:09,670 It's lead to so much overcrowding in stateprisons the federal courts have stepped in. 10 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:12,400 You'll meet some lifers -men who were sent to prison 11 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,480 when Lyndon B. Johnson waspresident and they're still there. 12 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,650 This is not a report on whether theyshould be paroled - it is an examination 13 00:01:21,650 --> 00:01:25,780 of how much it costs to lockpeople up and rarely let them out. 14 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:35,670 Especially when locking them up meansyou're responsible for their healthcare. 15 00:01:42,330 --> 00:01:50,700 At first glance this couldlook like a nursing home. 16 00:01:50,700 --> 00:02:03,630 The wheelchairs and walkershave a way of fooling you. 17 00:02:03,630 --> 00:02:09,180 This is the California MedicalFacility, one of California's 33 prisons. 18 00:02:09,180 --> 00:02:12,470 CMF operates the largest prison hospital. 19 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:18,790 It is where many of the states old,sick and dying inmates will end up. 20 00:02:18,790 --> 00:02:27,230 And these days, those old and sickinmates are growing in number. 21 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:47,330 California faces a problem that touchesnearly every aspect of society - 22 00:02:47,330 --> 00:02:53,120 from our economy to our safety to ourhealth - one that forces us to take sides 23 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,550 between punishment and redemption. 24 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:58,290 We have too many men and women in our prisons. 25 00:02:58,290 --> 00:03:03,410 The statistics say so and sodid a federal court in 2002. 26 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:09,930 There are 170,000 inmates inprisons that were built for 100,000. 27 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:12,970 One in five serving life sentences. 28 00:03:12,970 --> 00:03:15,300 TERRY CAMPBELL (Inmate):My name is Terry Campbell. 29 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:20,810 I'm in prison for murder, first-degreemurder, and I've been in prison for 44 years. 30 00:03:20,810 --> 00:03:27,890 GLENDA VIRGIL (Inmate): "My name is GlendaVirgil, and I'm serving a 15 to life sentence. 31 00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:30,430 I've been here 23 years. 32 00:03:30,430 --> 00:03:31,190 FARYON: And how old are you? 33 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:33,040 VIRGIL: And I'm 63 years old. 34 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,330 RICHARD LAURENZANO (Inmate): Being 62 inprison is a struggle, it's a struggle. 35 00:03:38,330 --> 00:03:48,040 First of all the reflection of losing 27years of your life but you get sicker. 36 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,900 FARYON: Richard Lauranzanorepresents the fastest growing segment 37 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:55,120 of the inmate population: men over 50. 38 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,500 He's also among the most expensive. 39 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:02,560 He's been sick and has been treated athospitals outside the prison system. 40 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,880 LAURENZANO: I had cancerabout four years ago, stage 4. 41 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,200 The prison system saved my life. 42 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:17,830 They sent me to outside hospitals they neverhesitated FARYON: Glenda Virgil has had surgery. 43 00:04:17,830 --> 00:04:21,370 VIRGIL: I've had major back surgery. 44 00:04:21,370 --> 00:04:29,010 I was in the hospital with two guards24 hours a day for 11 days FARYON: 45 00:04:29,010 --> 00:04:33,210 Terry Campbell has had seven operations. 46 00:04:33,210 --> 00:04:34,410 CAMPBELL: My back. 47 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:41,070 My shoulders because I broke bonesin both my back and shoulders. 48 00:04:41,070 --> 00:04:42,690 My hand, twice. 49 00:04:42,690 --> 00:04:51,840 CLARK KELSO: We're dealing with a correctionspopulation that is aging in prison. 50 00:04:51,840 --> 00:05:03,780 . FARYON: Clark Kelso is in charge ofhealth care in California's prisons. 51 00:05:03,780 --> 00:05:10,570 KELSO: So we've seen explosion in cardiovascularproblems, an explosion in diabetes, 52 00:05:10,570 --> 00:05:15,850 we have the results of hep c, there wassort of an explosion of it in the 80; 53 00:05:15,850 --> 00:05:19,630 s we're seeing the results of that now. 54 00:05:19,630 --> 00:05:25,920 We have a lot of inmates whohave very serious liver disease 55 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:32,000 because of an abuse of drugs and alcohol. 56 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:40,250 But they're all at the age now where you havethose issues plus other chronic conditions 57 00:05:40,250 --> 00:05:49,740 which simply require a different type of care"FARYON: A federal judge made Kelso a receiver 58 00:05:49,740 --> 00:05:54,590 and put him in charge when a court ruledinmates did not have access to health care 59 00:05:54,590 --> 00:06:00,230 and mental health services becauseCalifornia's prisons were so over crowded. 60 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:04,910 The court ruled lack of health carewas cruel and unusual punishment 61 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:08,050 and violated inmates' constitutional rights. 62 00:06:08,050 --> 00:06:12,740 A panel of federal judges has sinceordered California to come up with a plan 63 00:06:12,740 --> 00:06:17,560 to reduce its prison populationby 40,000 inmates. 64 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:23,580 Both decisions forced the state to confront itsovercrowding problem and challenged the public 65 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:27,690 to contemplate the health caredebate in a whole new way. 66 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:33,200 If we as a country can't decide whetherhealth care is a right for all free citizens - 67 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,990 why is it so easily determined asa right for convicted criminals? 68 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:41,500 It's a question Clark Kelsohas been asked many times. 69 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:46,420 KELSO: The technical legal answeris there's a huge difference 70 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:52,140 between government's responsibilityto you a citizen, a free citizen, 71 00:06:52,140 --> 00:06:57,370 and government's responsibility tosomeone that government is incarcerating. 72 00:06:57,370 --> 00:07:03,340 Once you have incarcerated someone,government has a constitutional obligation 73 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:10,270 under the 8th amendment toprovide certain levels of acre 74 00:07:10,270 --> 00:07:12,250 and that what the state has to do. 75 00:07:12,250 --> 00:07:15,190 FARYON: Since the receivershipassumed control of health care 76 00:07:15,190 --> 00:07:20,460 in prisons three years ago spending on medicaltreatment for inmates has almost doubled - 77 00:07:20,460 --> 00:07:26,710 from just over one billion dollars ayear to nearly two billion dollars. 78 00:07:26,710 --> 00:07:30,580 And that budget will increase if thestate is to continue providing health care 79 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:33,630 to its growing geriatric population. 80 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:36,540 One independent report projectsthe number of men 81 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:43,070 in California prisons overage 60 will triple by 2018. 82 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:49,330 KELSO: The state of California and the peopleof California have made consistent judgments 83 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:55,820 that certain types of crimes or certainpatterns of criminal conduct need to be punished 84 00:07:55,820 --> 00:08:06,500 with life in prison and that's a judgment thathas to be respected from my perspective is 85 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:12,430 that needs to realize thosedecisions come with a cost 86 00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:18,380 that you can't have a prison population 16or 20 per cent of which in a maybe a decade 87 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:24,270 or to are going to be 55 and older,you can't do that unless you're willing 88 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:30,230 to devote a very substantial portion ofthe general fund to their health care 89 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:33,120 because those aging prisoners are going 90 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,620 to have health care needs thatare very expensive to meet. 91 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:41,050 FARYON: There are about 35,000lifers in California prisons. 92 00:08:41,050 --> 00:08:46,200 Using government statistics, KPBScalculated how much money the state pays 93 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,270 to imprison inmates for a life sentence. 94 00:08:49,270 --> 00:08:57,090 If Inmate X is incarcerated at age 37,he costs taxpayers about $49,000 a year. 95 00:08:57,090 --> 00:09:01,250 But as he ages, his healthcare expenses will increase. 96 00:09:01,250 --> 00:09:07,140 At age 55, he could costthe state $150,000 a year. 97 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:11,430 If he lives until he's 77, hewill cost California taxpayers 98 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:15,360 as much $4 million to keephim in prison for life. 99 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:33,140 FARYON: So, when you were first convictedand sent to prison did you expect to still be 100 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:35,330 in prison when you were sixty-five? 101 00:09:35,330 --> 00:09:37,590 CAMPBELL: No, not at all. 102 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:44,800 No, I believed the hype that if you changewhile you're in prison and prove to us 103 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,880 that you're capable of functioning in societyby doing the programs that we provide, 104 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,090 showing us that you've rehabilitatedand the CDC staff supports 105 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:59,230 that effort, then you will be paroled. 106 00:09:59,230 --> 00:10:01,990 FARYON: Lifers rarely get parole. 107 00:10:01,990 --> 00:10:07,530 In 2008, the most recentyear statistics are available 108 00:10:07,530 --> 00:10:13,700 for the full 12months, 7,303lifers were up for parole. 109 00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:16,730 The board granted 294. 110 00:10:16,730 --> 00:10:22,860 But the governor has the right to reversethose decisions or send them back for review. 111 00:10:22,860 --> 00:10:29,360 In 2008 Governor Arnold Schwarzeneggerdenied 81 lifers parole 112 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,910 and sent more than 30 cases back for review. 113 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:34,200 Fewer than 60 inmates were released. 114 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,690 The year before even fewer wereparoled and in 2006, fewer still. 115 00:10:37,690 --> 00:10:40,360 MANSON MURDERS NEWS CLIP:In a scene...found dead. 116 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,420 FARYON: To understand why Californiansdeveloped this tough on crime mantra, 117 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:47,540 you have to go back to thedays of Charles Manson. 118 00:10:47,540 --> 00:10:50,520 At the time homicide rates were on the rise - 119 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,940 nearly doubling from the midsixties to the late 70's. 120 00:10:57,780 --> 00:11:00,330 HARRIET SALARNO: Because the high crime, 121 00:11:00,330 --> 00:11:06,270 murder was on the rampage andpeople were getting furious. 122 00:11:06,270 --> 00:11:11,870 FARYON: Harriet Salarno was raising afamily in San Francisco at the time. 123 00:11:11,870 --> 00:11:14,920 She and her husband owned an electronics store. 124 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,770 They kept a gun because stores liketheirs were often the target of robberies. 125 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:25,280 It was the gun her daughter'skiller would use in 1979. 126 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,820 SALARNO: And he shot her andmurdered her execution style. 127 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:40,050 And he went up to his dorm didn't call any helpor anything watched her try to call and she died 128 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:45,150 and finally another studentfound her and it was too late. 129 00:11:45,150 --> 00:11:48,740 FARYON: When Salarno learned herdaughter's killer was up for parole 130 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:52,580 after just serving 10 years,she began a life-long campaign 131 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:56,290 for tougher sentencing lawsand stricter parole policies. 132 00:11:56,290 --> 00:12:02,650 Her victims rights group raises enough moneyto employ a full time lobbyist in Sacramento. 133 00:12:02,650 --> 00:12:07,280 SALARNO: Public safety is in our constitution 134 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:12,370 and it's the priority andit must be served first. 135 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:16,280 We will back right there lobbying as heavy 136 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:27,140 as we can every morning we will have a new casewe will be able to discuss with a legislator 137 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:34,460 because somebody was murdered it will beon the morning news as it is every morning. 138 00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:37,910 And that's their obligation. 139 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:41,840 Their obligation as legislators is to do this. 140 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:47,160 FARYON: Dozens of changes to sentencing lawsin the last few decades have all contributed 141 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,490 to California's highest rateof lifers in prison. 142 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:55,240 Two of the most significant, aredeterminate sentencing in 1977, 143 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,530 which imposed minimum sentences,and three strikes in 1994, 144 00:13:00,530 --> 00:13:04,020 which allowed repeat offendersto be sentenced to life. 145 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:06,200 LINDA: My sentence is 15 to life. 146 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,820 FARYON: And you've been here how long? 147 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:09,410 LINDA: I'm in my 24th year. 148 00:13:09,410 --> 00:13:12,740 FARYON: And Glenda? 149 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:16,940 VIRGIL: Fifteen to life, plustwo for a gun allocation. 150 00:13:16,940 --> 00:13:21,280 And I've been here for 23 years. 151 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,180 FARYON: And Marylinn? 152 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:27,340 MARYLINN: Mine is 15 to life forsecond-degree murder and I've been down 25. 153 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:32,950 FARYON: At the California Institution forWomen in Corona California, a group of inmates, 154 00:13:32,950 --> 00:13:38,490 all convicted murderers, all women, talkabout what its like to grow old in prison. 155 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:42,340 LINDA: The change is for me my health. 156 00:13:42,340 --> 00:13:51,740 My health has declined and the gettingaround that I don't have anymore. 157 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:55,070 I didn't think that I'd ever grow old. 158 00:13:55,070 --> 00:14:01,720 That my hips wouldn't work, that I couldn'tget down or get up anymore, or my legs. 159 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,140 MARYLINN: And never in my life did Ithink I'd be sitting in prison and going, 160 00:14:06,140 --> 00:14:09,520 wow I'm 70 years old and I don'teven have a retirement plan. 161 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,140 I don't have to go to workeveryday because that's the program. 162 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:14,400 That's what you have to do. 163 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,540 Or that I would have lost my wholefamily behind these circumstances. 164 00:14:18,540 --> 00:14:21,740 That I would no longer havea family to reach out to. 165 00:14:21,740 --> 00:14:25,290 FARYON: The women are part of agroup called the Golden Girls, 166 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:29,040 inmates over 55 who are grantedspecial privileges 167 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,430 like a double mattress on their metal cots. 168 00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:33,980 And they're first in line during meals. 169 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:35,680 But this is still prison. 170 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,290 And there are rules. 171 00:14:37,290 --> 00:14:41,110 Like getting down on thefloor when an alarm sounds. 172 00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:42,600 This happened while we were there. 173 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:48,770 59-year-old Linda can barelymake it down or back up again. 174 00:14:48,770 --> 00:14:53,730 DR. JOSEPH BICK: Prisonsweren't built to make it easy 175 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:56,770 for mobility-impaired people to get around. 176 00:14:56,770 --> 00:15:03,260 Prisons were built to safelyincarcerate individuals whoa re sent away 177 00:15:03,260 --> 00:15:05,630 and keep them from escaping. 178 00:15:05,630 --> 00:15:10,770 So we're trying to deal with things how doyou accommodate activities of daily living 179 00:15:10,770 --> 00:15:14,150 of somebody who's in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. 180 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:18,800 Simple things like getting theirclothes on, going to the bathroom, 181 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,760 ambulating down the hallway to the dining halls. 182 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,470 Having enough time to eat. 183 00:15:25,470 --> 00:15:28,810 Having more than 15 minutes to consume a meal. 184 00:15:28,810 --> 00:15:33,500 FARYON: Dr. Joseph Bick has beenworking as a prison doctor for 20 years. 185 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:38,300 He tends to patients at CMF'shospital and the prison hospice, 186 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:41,500 where he's held the hand of many dying inmates. 187 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:45,670 DR. JOSEPH BICK: I'm not privy to inmates'commitment offenses as a clinician, 188 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:48,530 it's something I'm not particularlyinterested in knowing. 189 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:52,100 In fact I endeavour to notknow because I think my job is 190 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:57,070 to provide the best qualityof health care I can. 191 00:15:57,070 --> 00:16:01,750 But I'm human too and I don't wantto run the risk of being influenced 192 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:09,710 by knowledge of someone's commitment offense. 193 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:18,500 FARYON: We met two inmates in theprison hospice on the day of our visit. 194 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:22,100 Angelo Chavez has end-stage liver disease. 195 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:28,330 ANGELO CHAVEZ: I was hoping theywould give me a compassionate release 196 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:34,410 and that's what I'm waiting for, tosee if I can go home to my family. 197 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:38,490 FARYON: Chavez is a three strikerand serving a life sentence. 198 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:42,660 His convictions include drugpossession, robbery and manslaughter. 199 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:48,500 CHAVEZ: I would love to go home anddie out there, than to die here. 200 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,880 FARYON: We also met Brian Long. 201 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,610 He has cancer and is expectedto live another three months. 202 00:16:54,610 --> 00:17:00,140 In 1993, Long was convicted of havingsex with a minor and served six years. 203 00:17:00,140 --> 00:17:06,240 In 2003 he was sentenced to 11 years fora second sexual offense against a child. 204 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,510 In California, inmates can bereleased for compassionate reasons 205 00:17:10,510 --> 00:17:13,250 if they have less than six months to live. 206 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:17,620 Last year there were 57 requests. 207 00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:19,590 Three were granted by the courts. 208 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:23,060 DR. JOSEPH BICK: People havevery strong opinions on all sides 209 00:17:23,060 --> 00:17:29,380 of this discussion you certainly have peoplewho have been victims or their family members 210 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:35,590 of some very heinous crimes from someof the people who live in this facility. 211 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:41,080 And they strongly feel that it doesn't matterhow old somebody gets or how sick they get 212 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,040 or what they're likelihood ofreoffending is they should spend the rest 213 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,230 of their life in prison. 214 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:50,870 FARYON: But Dr. Bick says wecan't deny them health care. 215 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:55,450 Not only is it the law, it isalso a matter of public health. 216 00:17:55,450 --> 00:18:00,230 DR. JOSEPH BICK: With so many peopleincarcerated we choose as a society 217 00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:05,060 to incarcerate people that come to uswith such an incredible burden of disease, 218 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:09,340 HIV and hepatitis and tuberculosisand mental illness 219 00:18:09,340 --> 00:18:14,650 and substance abuse whoa re somedaygoing to go home, to me the tragedy is 220 00:18:14,650 --> 00:18:18,270 to somehow ignore them anput them off there and assume 221 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:21,960 because they're incarcerated theydon't matter or they're not going 222 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,770 to somehow impact upon thegeneral health at time of release. 223 00:18:26,770 --> 00:18:33,090 FARYON: And how do you see your lifeplaying out then here as you age? 224 00:18:41,890 --> 00:18:45,340 CAMPBELL: I'll just growold and eventually I'll die. 225 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:48,770 I don't see it as - you know I'm well adapted. 226 00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:50,770 Institutionalized, if you will. 227 00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:57,250 So I don't see a problem just existing. 228 00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:00,290 Eventually I wont be able to functionanymore and eventually I'll end 229 00:19:00,290 --> 00:19:03,090 up in a hospital and eventually I'll die. 230 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:09,590 But in the meantime it's going to cost thestate an awful lot of money to take care of me. 231 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:14,820 FARYON: Terry Campbell was convicted in1966 of murder during an armed robbery. 232 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:21,410 He has two other convictions from 1968and 1973, both while incarcerated. 233 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:25,330 He told KPBS he was mixed upwith prison gang violence. 234 00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:32,440 Since that time Campbell hasearned two college degrees FARYON: 235 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,170 What's your biggest fearabout growing old in prison? 236 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:51,920 CAMPBELL: I don't know if it's a fear, but mybiggest concern about growing old in prison is 237 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,950 that I went through all the trouble - on apersonal level I went through all the trouble 238 00:19:56,950 --> 00:20:12,090 to change, to become a differentperson and now I don't know 239 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:16,540 for what reason other thanpersonal satisfaction. 240 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:18,640 I can't give anything back. 241 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,350 VIRGIL: And being alone. 242 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:33,670 Dying alone where there isn't anyonewho cares about you or knows you. 243 00:20:33,670 --> 00:20:39,610 FARYON: Glenda Virgil was convicted ofsecond-degree murder in 1987 for shooting 244 00:20:39,610 --> 00:20:41,870 and killing the man withwhom she had been involved. 245 00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:45,130 She told KPBS she had been a battered woman. 246 00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:47,060 LAURANZANO: They didn't give you life without, 247 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:51,410 they didn't give you the death penaltythey gave you 25 to life or 15 to life 248 00:20:51,410 --> 00:20:54,100 that means you get out at some point. 249 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:58,420 And if you do everything they say you shouldget out and be a functioning member of society. 250 00:20:58,420 --> 00:21:02,240 FARYON: Richard Lauranzanowas convicted of seven counts 251 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:10,650 of sexual assault with childrenunder 14 in 1984. 252 00:21:10,650 --> 00:21:15,470 While in prison he was alsoconvicted of murder in connection. 253 00:21:15,470 --> 00:21:26,020 He is serving a 50-year sentencebut is eligible for parole in 2013. 254 00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:33,820 Lauranzano's cancer is inremission, but he has heart trouble 255 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:39,520 and is consulting with experts about surgery. 256 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,990 GOVERNOR: 30 years ago 10%of the general fund went 257 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:48,730 to higher education and only 3% went to prisons. 258 00:21:48,730 --> 00:21:56,710 Today almost 11% goes to prisons andonly 7.5% goes to higher education. 259 00:21:56,710 --> 00:22:06,000 Spending 45% more on prisons than universitiesis no way to proceed into the future. 260 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:14,100 FARYON: But it will be a difficult ship to turngiven California's 30-year history of support 261 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:22,950 for longer prison sentences and thisadministration's record of denying parole. 262 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:31,370 Plans to build a new billion-dollar prisonto house old inmates who need chronic care 263 00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:35,140 and inmates who need mentalhealth services are now underway. 264 00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:37,470 There isn't room for them anywhere else. 265 00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:41,920 Clark Kelso is also looking at ways toget his outside hospital costs down. 266 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:49,360 Last year the state spent 500 million dollarson those visits - about 1,000 very sick 267 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,730 and dying inmates accountedfor most of that cost. 268 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:55,700 KELSO: There are solutionsI think the legislature 269 00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:00,790 and the people need o become more comfortablewith such as medical parole or other types 270 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:05,140 of programs that will get theseunhealthy inmates these again inmates 271 00:23:05,140 --> 00:23:10,810 who don't pose very much threat to the publicin terms of recidivism very good numbers there, 272 00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:16,130 we have to come to a betterpublic understanding in California 273 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:19,440 with how to take care of those inmates. 274 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:26,000 FARYON: Kelso has been in talks withofficials, including the governor's office, 275 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,160 about releasing some inmates toprivately run secure nursing homes. 276 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,330 According to government statistics,people over 55 have less 277 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:38,940 than a four per cent recidivism rate whichmeans they are the least likely of all inmates 278 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:41,660 to commit another offense and return to prison. 279 00:23:41,660 --> 00:23:48,690 And once released from state runprisons, it's likely they'd be eligible 280 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:51,140 for federal health care subsidies. 281 00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:53,900 KELSO: One way or another health care needs 282 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:57,360 of these people are goingto be paid for by somebody. 283 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:01,670 FARYON: Should a life sentencemean a life sentence in California? 284 00:24:01,670 --> 00:24:04,320 If they're not rehabilitated absolutely. 285 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,970 HARRIET: What are you going todo with them if you let them out? 286 00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:11,870 Where are they going to go? 287 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:14,380 What are you going to do with them? 288 00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:18,080 You're going to say they're not going tocommit a crime if they can't get a job 289 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:27,380 and you're talking maybe 65 they need tomake some income and they cant get a job 290 00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:32,860 and they have no place to live whatare they going to do they're going 291 00:24:32,860 --> 00:24:36,200 to rob somebody's home, whereare they going to get the money. 292 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,610 You just don't open the doorhere's your $200 go get the bus. 293 00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:45,340 FARYON: Do you ever think you will get out? 294 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:47,370 CAMPBELL: No. 295 00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:47,970 No I don't. 296 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:59,080 That saying about it doesn't really matter whereyou are, but it always matters who you are? 297 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,000 You know, that applies. 298 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:11,460 That applies to a lot of us that are in prisonbecause there are a lot of lifers who came 299 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:20,660 to prison, who didn't get intotrouble like I got into trouble 300 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:28,180 when I came to prison, who are still here. 301 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:37,040 And they're sitting aroundwondering, well what do I have to do? 302 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:42,470 What do I have to do to get out of prison? 303 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:48,930 How do I prove myself andwho do I prove myself to? 304 00:25:48,930 --> 00:25:53,270 And there's no answer. 305 00:25:53,270 --> 00:26:16,180 FARYON: You can learn more about this issueby going to our website, kpbs.org/prisons. 306 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:25,280 And you can also leave a comment. 307 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,330 We'd love to hear from you. 308 00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:45,120 For KPBS, I'm Joanne Faryon,thanks for watching.