1 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:32,823 Hello everyone. I'm Joanne Faryon. 2 00:00:32,823 --> 00:00:35,131 Welcome to this Envision special 3 00:00:35,131 --> 00:00:37,012 Life In Prison 4 00:00:37,012 --> 00:00:41,725 About one in five of all inmates in California are serving life sentences. 5 00:00:41,725 --> 00:00:48,450 Combined, they could potentially cost taxpayers in this state $140 billion 6 00:00:48,465 --> 00:00:50,047 over the course of their sentences. 7 00:00:50,047 --> 00:00:55,050 Lifers are getting more expensive because they're aging in prison and rarely paroled. 8 00:00:55,050 --> 00:00:59,006 It's all adding up to record health care costs for inmates. 9 00:00:59,017 --> 00:01:04,029 Tonight, we explore the cost of California's tough on crime legislation. 10 00:01:04,029 --> 00:01:09,056 It's lead to so much overcrowding in state prisons the federal courts have stepped in. 11 00:01:09,067 --> 00:01:12,040 You'll meet some lifers - men who were sent to prison 12 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,048 when Lyndon B. Johnson was president and they're still there. 13 00:01:16,063 --> 00:01:21,188 This is not a report on whether they should be paroled - it is an examination 14 00:01:21,188 --> 00:01:25,416 of how much it costs to lock people up and rarely let them out. 15 00:01:25,416 --> 00:01:30,625 Especially when locking them up means you're responsible for their healthcare. 16 00:01:46,547 --> 00:01:50,042 At first glance this could look like a nursing home. 17 00:01:50,061 --> 00:01:54,917 The wheelchairs and walkers have a way of fooling you. 18 00:02:03,062 --> 00:02:09,008 This is the California Medical Facility, one of California's 33 prisons. 19 00:02:09,008 --> 00:02:12,323 CMF operates the largest prison hospital. 20 00:02:12,323 --> 00:02:18,068 It's where many of the states old, sick and dying inmates will end up. 21 00:02:18,068 --> 00:02:23,227 And these days, those old and sick inmates are growing in number. 22 00:02:41,090 --> 00:02:47,033 California faces a problem that touches nearly every aspect of society - 23 00:02:47,033 --> 00:02:53,012 from our economy to our safety to our health - one that forces us to take sides 24 00:02:53,012 --> 00:02:55,055 between punishment and redemption. 25 00:02:55,055 --> 00:02:58,028 We've too many men and women in our prisons. 26 00:02:58,028 --> 00:03:03,040 The statistics say so, and so did a federal court in 2002. 27 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:09,401 There are 170,000 inmates in prisons that were built for 100,000. 28 00:03:09,401 --> 00:03:12,096 One in five serving life sentences. 29 00:03:13,021 --> 00:03:15,030 TERRY CAMPBELL (Inmate): My name is Terry Campbell. 30 00:03:16,030 --> 00:03:21,453 I'm in prison for murder, first-degree murder, and I've been in prison for 44 years. 31 00:03:21,453 --> 00:03:27,442 GLENDA VIRGIL (Inmate): "My name is Glenda Virgil, and I'm serving a 15-to-life sentence. 32 00:03:27,442 --> 00:03:30,043 I've been here 23 years. 33 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,077 --And how old are you? 34 00:03:31,077 --> 00:03:33,326 And I'm 63 years old. 35 00:03:33,326 --> 00:03:38,042 RICHARD LAURENZANO (Inmate): Being 62 in prison is a struggle, it's a struggle. 36 00:03:38,042 --> 00:03:39,010 --Why? 37 00:03:39,067 --> 00:03:47,076 Well, first of all the reflection of losing 27 years of your life but you get sicker. 38 00:03:48,003 --> 00:03:51,505 --Richard Lauranzano represents the fastest growing segment 39 00:03:51,505 --> 00:03:55,012 of the inmate population: men over 50. 40 00:03:55,012 --> 00:03:57,050 He's also among the most expensive. 41 00:03:57,050 --> 00:04:02,641 He's been sick and has been treated at hospitals outside the prison system. 42 00:04:02,641 --> 00:04:07,087 LAURENZANO: I had cancer about four years ago, stage 4. 43 00:04:09,034 --> 00:04:11,019 The prison system saved my life. 44 00:04:11,019 --> 00:04:15,003 They sent me out to outside hospitals they never hesitated. 45 00:04:15,036 --> 00:04:18,013 --Glenda Virgil has had surgery. 46 00:04:18,050 --> 00:04:21,360 VIRGIL: I've had major back surgery. 47 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:28,673 I was in the hospital with two guards 24 hours a day for 11 days. 48 00:04:28,673 --> 00:04:31,083 Now, I can't imagine what that cost. 49 00:04:31,083 --> 00:04:37,022 But that just for the guards alone I would imagine that was over $200,000. 50 00:04:37,023 --> 00:04:44,586 you know because that 2 guards - because I'm a lifer - 2 guards for 24 hours everyday. 51 00:04:44,586 --> 00:04:48,030 --Terry Campbell has had seven operations. 52 00:04:48,030 --> 00:04:50,078 CAMPBELL: My back. 53 00:04:50,078 --> 00:04:55,034 My shoulders because I broke bones in both my back and shoulders. 54 00:04:57,082 --> 00:05:00,091 My hand, twice. 55 00:05:01,020 --> 00:05:07,002 CLARK KELSO: We're dealing with a corrections population that is aging in prison. 56 00:05:07,002 --> 00:05:11,048 --Clark Kelso is in charge of health care in California's prisons. 57 00:05:11,077 --> 00:05:20,001 So we've seen explosion in Cardiovascular problems, and we've got a lot of Diabetes, 58 00:05:20,001 --> 00:05:26,040 we have the results of Hepatitis C, there was sort of an epidemic of it, an exposure in the 80's, 59 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,073 we began to see the results of that now. 60 00:05:28,073 --> 00:05:32,045 We have a lot of inmates who have very serious liver disease 61 00:05:32,045 --> 00:05:35,044 as the result of an abuse of drugs and alcohol. 62 00:05:35,044 --> 00:05:43,026 But they're all at the age now where you have those issues plus other chronic conditions 63 00:05:43,026 --> 00:05:46,318 that simply require a different type of care. 64 00:05:46,318 --> 00:05:49,082 --A federal judge made Kelso a receiver 65 00:05:49,082 --> 00:05:54,058 and put him in charge when a court ruled inmates did not have access to health care 66 00:05:54,058 --> 00:06:00,023 and mental health services because California's prisons were so over crowded. 67 00:06:00,023 --> 00:06:04,091 The court ruled lack of health care was cruel and unusual punishment 68 00:06:04,091 --> 00:06:08,005 and violated inmates' constitutional rights. 69 00:06:08,005 --> 00:06:12,566 A panel of federal judges has since ordered California to come up with a plan 70 00:06:12,566 --> 00:06:17,056 to reduce its prison population by 40,000 inmates. 71 00:06:17,056 --> 00:06:23,057 Both decisions forced the state to confront its overcrowding problem and challenged the public 72 00:06:23,057 --> 00:06:27,068 to contemplate the health care debate in a whole new way. 73 00:06:27,068 --> 00:06:33,019 If we as a country can't decide whether health care is a right for all free citizens - 74 00:06:33,019 --> 00:06:37,479 why is it so easily determined as a right for convicted criminals? 75 00:06:37,485 --> 00:06:41,465 It's a question Clark Kelso has been asked many times. 76 00:06:41,465 --> 00:06:46,042 KELSO: The technical legal answer is there's a huge difference 77 00:06:46,042 --> 00:06:52,013 between government's responsibility to you a citizen, a free citizen, 78 00:06:52,013 --> 00:06:57,037 and government's responsibility to someone that government is incarcerating. 79 00:06:57,037 --> 00:07:03,033 Once you have incarcerated someone, government has a constitutional obligation 80 00:07:03,033 --> 00:07:10,026 under the Eighth Amendment to provide certain levels of care 81 00:07:10,026 --> 00:07:12,471 and that what the state has to do. 82 00:07:12,471 --> 00:07:15,018 --Since the receivership assumed control of health care 83 00:07:15,018 --> 00:07:20,045 in prisons three years ago, spending on medical treatment for inmates has almost doubled - 84 00:07:20,045 --> 00:07:26,070 from just over one billion dollars a year to nearly two billion dollars. 85 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:30,411 And that budget will increase if the state is to continue providing health care 86 00:07:30,411 --> 00:07:33,062 to its growing geriatric population. 87 00:07:33,062 --> 00:07:36,054 One independent report projects the number of men 88 00:07:36,054 --> 00:07:43,006 in California prisons over age 60 will triple by 2018. 89 00:07:43,006 --> 00:07:49,032 KELSO: The state of California and the people of California have made consistent judgments 90 00:07:49,032 --> 00:07:55,543 that certain types of crimes or certain patterns of criminal conduct need to be punished 91 00:07:55,543 --> 00:08:06,050 with life in prison and that's a judgment that has to be respected. I think from my perspective 92 00:08:06,050 --> 00:08:12,043 what the State needs to realize is, that those decisions come with a cost. 93 00:08:12,043 --> 00:08:18,037 That you can't have a prison population 16, 20 per cent of which in a maybe a decade or two 94 00:08:18,037 --> 00:08:24,026 are going to be 55 and older. You can't do that unless you're willing 95 00:08:24,026 --> 00:08:30,023 to devote a very substantial portion of the general fund to their health care 96 00:08:30,023 --> 00:08:33,012 because those aging prisoners are going 97 00:08:33,012 --> 00:08:36,400 to have health care needs that are very expensive to meet. 98 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,004 --There are about 35,000 lifers in California prisons. 99 00:08:41,004 --> 00:08:46,020 Using government statistics, KPBS calculated how much money the state pays 100 00:08:46,020 --> 00:08:49,026 to imprison inmates for a life sentence. 101 00:08:49,026 --> 00:08:57,009 If Inmate X is incarcerated at age 37, he costs taxpayers about $49,000 a year. 102 00:08:57,009 --> 00:09:01,025 But as he ages, his health care expenses will increase. 103 00:09:01,025 --> 00:09:07,013 At age 55, he could cost the state $150,000 a year. 104 00:09:07,013 --> 00:09:11,042 If he lives until he's 77, he will cost California taxpayers 105 00:09:11,042 --> 00:09:15,077 as much $4 million to keep him in prison for life. 106 00:09:25,037 --> 00:09:33,013 FARYON: So, when you were first convicted and sent to prison, did you expect to still be 107 00:09:33,013 --> 00:09:35,033 in prison when you were sixty-five? 108 00:09:35,033 --> 00:09:37,059 CAMPBELL: No, not at all. 109 00:09:37,059 --> 00:09:44,356 No, I believed the hype that if you change while you're in prison and prove to us 110 00:09:44,356 --> 00:09:50,087 that you're capable of functioning in society by doing the programs that we provide, 111 00:09:50,087 --> 00:09:54,886 showing us that you've rehabilitated and the staff supports 112 00:09:54,886 --> 00:09:59,023 that effort then, CDC staff supports that effort, then you will be paroled. 113 00:09:59,055 --> 00:10:01,099 --Lifers rarely get parole. 114 00:10:01,099 --> 00:10:07,052 In 2008, 7,303 lifers were up for parole. 115 00:10:07,053 --> 00:10:10,009 The board granted 294. 116 00:10:10,009 --> 00:10:15,010 But the Governor has the right to reverse those decisions or send them back for review. 117 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:19,097 In 2008, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger denied 81 lifers parole 118 00:10:19,097 --> 00:10:23,050 and sent more than 30 cases back for review. 119 00:10:23,050 --> 00:10:26,043 Fewer than 60 inmates were released. 120 00:10:26,043 --> 00:10:32,050 The year before even fewer were paroled and in 2006, fewer still. 121 00:10:40,686 --> 00:10:44,041 --To understand why Californians developed this 'tough on crime' mantra, 122 00:10:44,041 --> 00:10:47,053 you have to go back to the days of Charles Manson. 123 00:10:47,053 --> 00:10:50,051 At the time, homicide rates were on the rise - 124 00:10:50,051 --> 00:10:54,094 nearly doubling from the mid-sixties to the late 70's. 125 00:10:57,077 --> 00:11:00,033 HARRIET SALARNO: Because the high crime, 126 00:11:00,033 --> 00:11:07,380 murder was on the rampage and the people were getting furious. 127 00:11:07,380 --> 00:11:11,349 FARYON: Harriet Salarno was raising a family in San Francisco at the time. 128 00:11:11,349 --> 00:11:14,614 She and her husband owned an electronics store. 129 00:11:14,614 --> 00:11:19,076 They kept a gun because stores like theirs were often the target of robberies. 130 00:11:19,076 --> 00:11:25,027 It was the gun her daughter's killer would use in 1979. 131 00:11:25,027 --> 00:11:29,082 SALARNO: And he shot her and murdered her execution style. 132 00:11:29,082 --> 00:11:40,004 And he went up to his dorm didn't call any help or anything watched her try to call and she died 133 00:11:40,004 --> 00:11:45,014 and finally another student found her and it was too late. 134 00:11:45,014 --> 00:11:48,074 FARYON: When Salarno learned her daughter's killer was up for parole 135 00:11:48,074 --> 00:11:52,058 after just serving 10 years, she began a life-long campaign 136 00:11:52,058 --> 00:11:56,028 for tougher sentencing laws and stricter parole policies. 137 00:11:56,028 --> 00:12:02,064 Her victims rights group raises enough money to employ a full-time lobbyist in Sacramento. 138 00:12:02,064 --> 00:12:07,027 SALARNO: Public safety is in our constitution 139 00:12:07,027 --> 00:12:12,037 and it's the priority and it must be served first. 140 00:12:12,037 --> 00:12:16,027 So, we will back right there lobbying as heavy 141 00:12:16,027 --> 00:12:27,013 as we can every morning we'll have a new case that we will be able to discuss with whatever legislator we meet that day 142 00:12:27,013 --> 00:12:34,046 because somebody was murdered. It will be on the morning news as it is every morning. 143 00:12:34,046 --> 00:12:37,090 And we'll be back there. And that's their obligation. 144 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:41,084 Their obligation as legislators is to do this. 145 00:12:41,084 --> 00:12:47,015 FARYON: Dozens of changes to sentencing laws in the last few decades have all contributed 146 00:12:47,015 --> 00:12:50,049 to California's highest rate of lifers in prison. 147 00:12:50,049 --> 00:12:55,024 Two of the most significant, are determinate sentencing in 1977, 148 00:12:55,024 --> 00:13:00,052 which imposed minimum sentences, and three strikes in 1994, 149 00:13:00,052 --> 00:13:04,001 which allowed repeat offenders to be sentenced to life. 150 00:13:04,001 --> 00:13:06,020 LINDA: My sentence is 15 to life. 151 00:13:06,020 --> 00:13:07,082 FARYON: And you've been here how long? 152 00:13:07,082 --> 00:13:09,040 LINDA: I'm in my 24th year. 153 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,074 FARYON: And Glenda? 154 00:13:12,074 --> 00:13:16,094 VIRGIL: Fifteen to life, plus two for a gun allocation. 155 00:13:16,094 --> 00:13:21,027 And I've been here for 23 years. 156 00:13:21,027 --> 00:13:22,017 FARYON: And Marylinn? 157 00:13:22,017 --> 00:13:27,034 MARYLINN: Mine is 15 to life for second-degree murder and I've been down 25. 158 00:13:27,034 --> 00:13:32,095 FARYON: At the California Institution for Women in Corona California, a group of inmates, 159 00:13:32,095 --> 00:13:38,049 all convicted murderers, all women, talk about what its like to grow old in prison. 160 00:13:38,049 --> 00:13:42,034 LINDA: The change is for me my health. 161 00:13:42,034 --> 00:13:51,074 My health has declined and the getting around that I don't have anymore. 162 00:13:51,074 --> 00:13:55,007 I didn't think that I would ever grow old. 163 00:13:55,007 --> 00:14:01,072 That my hips wouldn't work, that I couldn't get down or get up anymore, or my legs. 164 00:14:01,072 --> 00:14:06,013 MARYLINN: And never in my life did I think I'd be sitting in prison and going, 165 00:14:06,013 --> 00:14:09,051 "Wow, I'm 70 years old and I don't even have a retirement plan." 166 00:14:09,051 --> 00:14:12,013 I don't have to go to work everyday because that's the program. 167 00:14:12,013 --> 00:14:14,039 That's what you have to do. 168 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:18,053 Or that I would have lost my whole family behind these circumstances. 169 00:14:18,053 --> 00:14:21,074 That I would no longer have a family to reach out to. 170 00:14:21,074 --> 00:14:25,028 FARYON: The women are part of a group called the Golden Girls, 171 00:14:25,028 --> 00:14:29,003 inmates over 55 who are granted special privileges 172 00:14:29,003 --> 00:14:31,042 like a double mattress on their metal cots. 173 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:33,098 And they're first in line during meals. 174 00:14:33,098 --> 00:14:35,067 But this is still prison. 175 00:14:35,067 --> 00:14:37,028 And there are rules. 176 00:14:37,028 --> 00:14:41,011 Like getting down on the floor when an alarm sounds. 177 00:14:41,011 --> 00:14:42,060 This happened while we were there. 178 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:48,076 59-year-old Linda Vivian can barely make it down or back up again. 179 00:14:48,076 --> 00:14:53,073 DR. JOSEPH BICK: Prisons weren't built to make it easy 180 00:14:53,073 --> 00:14:56,076 for mobility-impaired people to get around. 181 00:14:56,076 --> 00:15:03,025 Prisons were built to safely incarcerate individuals who are sent away 182 00:15:03,025 --> 00:15:05,062 and keep them from escaping. 183 00:15:05,062 --> 00:15:10,076 So we're trying to deal with things about how do you accommodate activities of daily living 184 00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:14,014 of somebody who's in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. 185 00:15:14,014 --> 00:15:18,079 Simple things like getting their clothes on, using the bathroom, 186 00:15:18,079 --> 00:15:22,075 ambulating down the hallway to the dining halls. 187 00:15:22,075 --> 00:15:25,047 Having enough time to eat. 188 00:15:25,047 --> 00:15:28,080 Having more than 15 minutes to consume a meal. 189 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,050 FARYON: Dr. Joseph Bick has been working as a prison doctor for 20 years. 190 00:15:33,050 --> 00:15:38,029 He tends to patients at CMF's hospital and the prison hospice, 191 00:15:38,029 --> 00:15:41,050 where he's held the hand of many dying inmates. 192 00:15:41,050 --> 00:15:45,066 DR. JOSEPH BICK: I'm not privy to people's commitment offenses as a clinician, 193 00:15:45,066 --> 00:15:48,052 it's something I'm not particularly interested in knowing. 194 00:15:48,052 --> 00:15:52,010 In fact I endeavour to not know because I think my job is 195 00:15:52,010 --> 00:15:57,007 to provide the best quality of health care I can. 196 00:15:57,007 --> 00:16:01,429 But I'm human too and I don't want to run the risk of being influenced 197 00:16:01,429 --> 00:16:05,363 by knowledge of someone's commitment offense. 198 00:16:14,102 --> 00:16:18,050 FARYON: We met two inmates in the prison hospice on the day of our visit. 199 00:16:18,050 --> 00:16:22,010 Angelo Chavez has end-stage liver disease. 200 00:16:22,010 --> 00:16:28,033 ANGELO CHAVEZ: I was hoping they would give me a compassionate release 201 00:16:28,033 --> 00:16:34,040 and that's what I'm waiting for, to see if I can go home to my family. 202 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,049 FARYON: Chavez is a three-striker and serving a life sentence. 203 00:16:38,049 --> 00:16:42,065 His convictions include drug possession, robbery and manslaughter. 204 00:16:42,065 --> 00:16:48,912 CHAVEZ: I would love to go home and die out there, than to die here. 205 00:16:48,912 --> 00:16:50,656 FARYON: We also met Brian Long. 206 00:16:50,656 --> 00:16:54,476 He has cancer and is expected to live another three months. 207 00:16:54,476 --> 00:17:00,013 In 1993, Long was convicted of having sex with a minor and served six years. 208 00:17:00,013 --> 00:17:06,024 In 2003 he was sentenced to 11 years for a second sexual offense against a child. 209 00:17:06,024 --> 00:17:10,373 In California, inmates can be released for compassionate reasons 210 00:17:10,373 --> 00:17:13,025 if they have less than six months to live. 211 00:17:13,025 --> 00:17:17,061 Last year there were 57 compassionate release requests. 212 00:17:17,061 --> 00:17:19,058 Three were granted by the courts. 213 00:17:19,058 --> 00:17:23,005 DR. JOSEPH BICK: People have very strong opinions on all sides 214 00:17:23,005 --> 00:17:29,038 of this discussion. You certainly have people who have been victims personally, or their family members 215 00:17:29,038 --> 00:17:35,058 of very heinous crimes from some of the people who live in this facility. 216 00:17:35,058 --> 00:17:41,007 And they strongly feel that it doesn't matter how old somebody gets or how sick they get 217 00:17:41,007 --> 00:17:46,003 or what they're likelihood of re-offending is they should spend the rest 218 00:17:46,003 --> 00:17:47,023 of their life in prison. 219 00:17:47,023 --> 00:17:50,440 FARYON: But Dr. Bick says we can't deny them health care. 220 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:55,045 Not only is it the law, it is also a matter of public health. 221 00:17:55,045 --> 00:18:00,023 DR. JOSEPH BICK: With so many people incarcerated, we choose as a society 222 00:18:00,023 --> 00:18:05,005 to incarcerate people that come to us with such an incredible burden of disease, 223 00:18:05,005 --> 00:18:09,033 HIV and hepatitis and tuberculosis and mental illness 224 00:18:09,033 --> 00:18:14,065 and substance abuse who are someday going to go home, to me the tragedy is 225 00:18:14,065 --> 00:18:18,026 to somehow ignore them, put them off there and assume 226 00:18:18,026 --> 00:18:21,096 that because they're incarcerated they don't matter or that they're not going 227 00:18:21,096 --> 00:18:26,076 to somehow impact upon the general health at the time of release. 228 00:18:26,076 --> 00:18:33,008 FARYON: And how do you see your life playing out then here, as you age? 229 00:18:41,089 --> 00:18:44,725 CAMPBELL: I'll just grow old and eventually I'll die. 230 00:18:44,725 --> 00:18:48,076 I don't see it as - you know I'm well adapted. 231 00:18:48,076 --> 00:18:50,076 Institutionalized, if you will. 232 00:18:50,076 --> 00:18:57,025 So I don't see a problem just existing, you know. 233 00:18:57,025 --> 00:19:00,028 Eventually I wont be able to function anymore and eventually I'll end 234 00:19:00,028 --> 00:19:03,008 up in a hospital and eventually I'll die. 235 00:19:05,022 --> 00:19:09,058 But in the meantime it's going to cost the state an awful lot of money to take care of me. 236 00:19:09,058 --> 00:19:14,081 FARYON: Terry Campbell was convicted in 1966 of murder during an armed robbery. 237 00:19:14,081 --> 00:19:21,041 He has two other convictions from 1968 and 1973, both while incarcerated. 238 00:19:21,041 --> 00:19:25,032 He told KPBS he was mixed up with prison gang violence. 239 00:19:25,032 --> 00:19:32,044 Since that time Campbell says he turned his life around and has earned two college degrees. 240 00:19:32,044 --> 00:19:37,017 FARYON: What's your biggest fear about growing old in prison? 241 00:19:43,079 --> 00:19:51,092 CAMPBELL: I don't know if it's a fear, but my biggest concern about growing old in prison is 242 00:19:51,092 --> 00:19:56,987 that I went through all the trouble - on a personal level I went through all the trouble 243 00:19:56,987 --> 00:20:11,485 to change, to become a different person and... 244 00:20:11,485 --> 00:20:16,053 now I don't know for what reason other than personal satisfaction. 245 00:20:16,053 --> 00:20:18,064 I can't give anything back. 246 00:20:18,064 --> 00:20:21,034 VIRGIL: And being alone. 247 00:20:22,048 --> 00:20:33,790 Dying alone where there isn't anyone that really cares about you or even knows you. 248 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:37,952 FARYON: Glenda Virgil was convicted of second-degree murder when she 249 00:20:37,952 --> 00:20:41,609 shot and killed the man she was involved with in 1987. 250 00:20:41,609 --> 00:20:45,013 She told KPBS she had been a battered woman. 251 00:20:45,013 --> 00:20:47,005 LAURANZANO: They didn't give you life without, 252 00:20:47,005 --> 00:20:51,041 they didn't give you the death penalty they gave you 25-to-life or 15-to-life 253 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:54,009 that means you get out at some point. 254 00:20:54,009 --> 00:20:58,042 And if you do everything they say: you should get out and be a functioning member of the community. 255 00:20:58,042 --> 00:21:02,024 FARYON: Richard Lauranzano was convicted of seven counts 256 00:21:02,024 --> 00:21:07,311 of sexual assault with children under the age of 14 and murder. 257 00:21:07,311 --> 00:21:12,601 He is serving a fifty-year sentence, but is eligible for parole in 2013. 258 00:21:12,601 --> 00:21:16,713 Lauranzano's cancer is in remission, but he has heart trouble 259 00:21:16,713 --> 00:21:19,875 and is consulting with experts about surgery. 260 00:21:21,583 --> 00:21:24,637 GOVERNOR: 30 years ago 10% of the general fund went 261 00:21:24,637 --> 00:21:28,550 to higher education and only 3% went to prisons. 262 00:21:28,550 --> 00:21:35,052 Today almost 11% goes to prisons and only 7.5% goes to higher education. 263 00:21:35,052 --> 00:21:41,992 Spending 45% more on prisons than universities is no way to proceed into the future. 264 00:21:41,992 --> 00:21:47,609 FARYON: But it will be a difficult ship to turn around, given California's 30-year history of support 265 00:21:47,609 --> 00:21:54,203 for longer and longer prison sentences and this administration's record of denying parole. 266 00:21:54,203 --> 00:21:59,072 Plans to build a new billion-dollar prison to house old inmates who need chronic care 267 00:21:59,072 --> 00:22:03,122 and inmates who need mental health services are now underway. 268 00:22:03,122 --> 00:22:06,247 There isn't room for them anywhere else. 269 00:22:06,247 --> 00:22:11,085 Clark Kelso is also looking at ways to get his outside hospital costs down. 270 00:22:11,085 --> 00:22:15,478 Last year the state spent 500 million dollars on those visits - 271 00:22:15,478 --> 00:22:20,873 about 1,000 very sick and dying inmates accounted for most of that cost. 272 00:22:20,873 --> 00:22:24,578 KELSO: There are I think solutions to this problem. 273 00:22:24,578 --> 00:22:30,416 This conflict between putting people in prison up until life and the costs of doing it. 274 00:22:30,416 --> 00:22:35,601 But they're solutions that I think the Legislature and the people need to become more comfortable with 275 00:22:35,601 --> 00:22:44,855 such as medical parole or other types of programs that will get these unhealthy inmates, these aging inmates 276 00:22:44,855 --> 00:22:52,218 who don't pose very much threat to the public and in terms of recidivism very good numbers there, 277 00:22:52,218 --> 00:22:56,165 we have to come to a better, I think, public understanding in California 278 00:22:56,165 --> 00:22:59,229 about how to take care of those inmates. 279 00:22:59,229 --> 00:23:03,252 FARYON: Kelso has been in talks with officials, including the Governor's Office, 280 00:23:03,252 --> 00:23:08,115 about releasing some inmates to privately-run secure nursing homes. 281 00:23:08,115 --> 00:23:11,540 According to government statistics, people over 55 have less 282 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:17,147 than a four per cent recidivism rate which means they are the least likely of all inmates 283 00:23:17,147 --> 00:23:20,528 to commit another offense and return to prison. 284 00:23:20,528 --> 00:23:25,812 And once released from state-run prisons, it's likely they'd be eligible 285 00:23:25,812 --> 00:23:27,752 for federal health care subsidies. 286 00:23:27,752 --> 00:23:30,468 KELSO: One way or the other, health care needs 287 00:23:30,468 --> 00:23:34,952 of these people are going to be paid for by somebody. 288 00:23:34,952 --> 00:23:39,775 FARYON: Should a life sentence mean a life sentence in California? 289 00:23:39,775 --> 00:23:43,244 If they're not rehabilitated absolutely. 290 00:23:43,244 --> 00:23:45,836 HARRIET: What are you going to do with them if you let them out? 291 00:23:45,836 --> 00:23:47,305 Where are they going to go? 292 00:23:47,305 --> 00:23:48,715 What are you going to do with them? 293 00:23:48,715 --> 00:23:52,907 You're going to say they're not going to commit a crime if they can't get a job 294 00:23:52,907 --> 00:23:59,792 and you're talking maybe 65 they need to make some kind of income and they cant get a job 295 00:23:59,792 --> 00:24:04,439 they can't get...they have no place to live. So, what are they going to do? 296 00:24:04,439 --> 00:24:07,077 They're going to rob somebody's home. 297 00:24:07,077 --> 00:24:10,350 Where are they going to get the money? 298 00:24:10,350 --> 00:24:16,777 You just don't open the door and say, "Here's your $200, go get the bus." 299 00:24:17,408 --> 00:24:19,002 FARYON: Do you ever think you will get out? 300 00:24:19,002 --> 00:24:22,025 CAMPBELL: No. 301 00:24:22,025 --> 00:24:24,018 No I don't. 302 00:24:24,018 --> 00:24:34,099 You know that saying about it doesn't really matter where you are, but it always matters who you are? 303 00:24:34,099 --> 00:24:35,722 You know, that applies. 304 00:24:35,722 --> 00:24:42,384 That applies to a lot of us that are in prison because there are a lot of lifers, there are a lot of lifers who came 305 00:24:42,384 --> 00:24:45,715 to prison, who didn't get in trouble like I got in trouble 306 00:24:45,715 --> 00:24:49,941 when I came to prison, who are still here. 307 00:24:49,941 --> 00:24:53,318 And they're sitting around wondering, well what do I have to do? 308 00:24:53,318 --> 00:24:55,878 What do I have to do to get out of prison? 309 00:24:55,878 --> 00:25:01,239 How do I prove myself and who do I prove myself to? 310 00:25:04,164 --> 00:25:10,618 FARYON: You can learn more about this issue by going to our website: kpbs.org/prisons. 311 00:25:10,618 --> 00:25:12,657 And you can also leave us a comment. 312 00:25:12,657 --> 00:25:14,664 We'd love to hear from you. 313 00:25:14,664 --> 00:25:18,595 For KPBS, I'm Joanne Faryon, thanks for watching.