1 00:00:30,791 --> 00:00:33,026 --Hello everyone. I'm Joanne Faryon. 2 00:00:33,026 --> 00:00:35,386 Welcome to this Envision special 3 00:00:35,386 --> 00:00:37,125 Life In Prison 4 00:00:37,125 --> 00:00:42,080 About one in five of all inmates in California are serving life sentences. 5 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:48,655 Combined, they could potentially cost taxpayers in this state $140 billion 6 00:00:48,655 --> 00:00:50,480 over the course of their sentences. 7 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:55,500 Lifers are getting more expensive because they're aging in prison and rarely paroled. 8 00:00:55,500 --> 00:00:59,062 It's all adding up to record health care costs for inmates. 9 00:00:59,170 --> 00:01:04,300 Tonight, we explore the cost of California's tough on crime legislation. 10 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:09,562 It's lead to so much overcrowding in state prisons the federal courts have stepped in. 11 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:12,400 You'll meet some lifers - men who were sent to prison 12 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,480 when Lyndon B. Johnson was president and they're still there. 13 00:01:16,634 --> 00:01:21,650 This is not a report on whether they should be paroled - it is an examination 14 00:01:21,650 --> 00:01:25,780 of how much it costs to lock people up and rarely let them out. 15 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:30,716 Especially when locking them up means you're responsible for their healthcare. 16 00:01:46,853 --> 00:01:50,427 At first glance this could look like a nursing home. 17 00:01:50,612 --> 00:01:55,092 The wheelchairs and walkers have a way of fooling you. 18 00:02:03,630 --> 00:02:09,080 This is the California Medical Facility, one of California's 33 prisons. 19 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,470 CMF operates the largest prison hospital. 20 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:18,690 It is where many of the states old, sick and dying inmates will end up. 21 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:23,892 And these days, those old and sick inmates are growing in number. 22 00:02:41,907 --> 00:02:47,330 California faces a problem that touches nearly every aspect of society - 23 00:02:47,330 --> 00:02:53,120 from our economy to our safety to our health - one that forces us to take sides 24 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,550 between punishment and redemption. 25 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:58,290 We have too many men and women in our prisons. 26 00:02:58,290 --> 00:03:03,410 The statistics say so and so did a federal court in 2002. 27 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:09,930 There are 170,000 inmates in prisons that were built for 100,000. 28 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:12,970 One in five serving life sentences. 29 00:03:13,216 --> 00:03:15,300 TERRY CAMPBELL (Inmate): My name is Terry Campbell. 30 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:21,225 I'm in prison for murder, first-degree murder, and I've been in prison for 44 years. 31 00:03:21,502 --> 00:03:27,890 GLENDA VIRGIL (Inmate): "My name is Glenda Virgil, and I'm serving a 15 to life sentence. 32 00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:30,430 I've been here 23 years. 33 00:03:30,430 --> 00:03:31,775 --And how old are you? 34 00:03:31,775 --> 00:03:33,040 And I'm 63 years old. 35 00:03:33,532 --> 00:03:38,422 RICHARD LAURENZANO (Inmate): Being 62 in prison is a struggle, it's a struggle. 36 00:03:38,422 --> 00:03:39,108 --Why? 37 00:03:41,370 --> 00:03:47,763 First of all the reflection of losing 27 years of your life but you get sicker. 38 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,900 --Richard Lauranzano represents the fastest growing segment 39 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:55,120 of the inmate population: men over 50. 40 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,500 He's also among the most expensive. 41 00:03:57,500 --> 00:04:02,560 He's been sick and has been treated at hospitals outside the prison system. 42 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,880 LAURENZANO: I had cancer about four years ago, stage 4. 43 00:04:09,342 --> 00:04:11,200 The prison system saved my life. 44 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,030 They sent me to outside hospitals they never hesitated. 45 00:04:15,368 --> 00:04:18,138 --Glenda Virgil has had surgery. 46 00:04:18,508 --> 00:04:21,370 VIRGIL: I've had major back surgery. 47 00:04:21,370 --> 00:04:29,118 I was in the hospital with two guards 24 hours a day for 11 days. 48 00:04:29,118 --> 00:04:31,833 I can't imagine what that cost. 49 00:04:31,833 --> 00:04:37,222 But that just for the guards alone I would imagine that was over $200 50 00:04:37,237 --> 00:04:44,785 you know because that 2 guards - because I'm a lifer - 2 guards for 24 hours everyday. 51 00:04:44,785 --> 00:04:48,302 --Terry Campbell has had seven operations. 52 00:04:48,302 --> 00:04:50,787 CAMPBELL: My back. 53 00:04:50,787 --> 00:04:55,348 My shoulders because I broke bones in both my back and shoulders. 54 00:04:57,825 --> 00:05:00,910 My hand, twice. 55 00:05:01,202 --> 00:05:07,025 CLARK KELSO: We're dealing with a corrections population that is aging in prison. 56 00:05:07,025 --> 00:05:11,488 --Clark Kelso is in charge of health care in California's prisons. 57 00:05:11,780 --> 00:05:20,018 So we've seen explosion in Cardiovascular problems, and that a lot of Diabetes, 58 00:05:20,018 --> 00:05:26,404 we have the results of Hepatitis C, there was ephydemic exposure in the 80's, 59 00:05:26,404 --> 00:05:28,735 we began to see the results of that now. 60 00:05:28,735 --> 00:05:32,458 We have a lot of inmates who have very serious liver disease 61 00:05:32,458 --> 00:05:35,446 as the result of an abuse of drugs and alcohol. 62 00:05:35,446 --> 00:05:43,265 But they're all at the age now where you have those issues plus other chronic conditions 63 00:05:43,265 --> 00:05:46,725 that simply require a different type of care. 64 00:05:46,725 --> 00:05:49,827 --A federal judge made Kelso a receiver 65 00:05:49,827 --> 00:05:54,590 and put him in charge when a court ruled inmates did not have access to health care 66 00:05:54,590 --> 00:06:00,230 and mental health services because California's prisons were so over crowded. 67 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:04,910 The court ruled lack of health care was cruel and unusual punishment 68 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:08,050 and violated inmates' constitutional rights. 69 00:06:08,050 --> 00:06:12,740 A panel of federal judges has since ordered California to come up with a plan 70 00:06:12,740 --> 00:06:17,560 to reduce its prison population by 40,000 inmates. 71 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:23,580 Both decisions forced the state to confront its overcrowding problem and challenged the public 72 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:27,690 to contemplate the health care debate in a whole new way. 73 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:33,200 If we as a country can't decide whether health care is a right for all free citizens - 74 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,482 why is it so easily determined as a right for convicted criminals? 75 00:06:37,852 --> 00:06:41,500 It's a question Clark Kelso has been asked many times. 76 00:06:41,500 --> 00:06:46,420 KELSO: The technical legal answer is there's a huge difference 77 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:52,140 between government's responsibility to you a citizen, a free citizen, 78 00:06:52,140 --> 00:06:57,370 and government's responsibility to someone that government is incarcerating. 79 00:06:57,370 --> 00:07:03,340 Once you have incarcerated someone, government has a constitutional obligation 80 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:10,270 under the 8th amendment to provide certain levels of acre 81 00:07:10,270 --> 00:07:12,250 and that what the state has to do. 82 00:07:12,419 --> 00:07:15,190 --Since the receivership assumed control of health care 83 00:07:15,190 --> 00:07:20,460 in prisons three years ago spending on medical treatment for inmates has almost doubled - 84 00:07:20,460 --> 00:07:26,710 from just over one billion dollars a year to nearly two billion dollars. 85 00:07:26,710 --> 00:07:30,580 And that budget will increase if the state is to continue providing health care 86 00:07:30,580 --> 00:07:33,630 to its growing geriatric population. 87 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:36,540 One independent report projects the number of men 88 00:07:36,540 --> 00:07:43,070 in California prisons over age 60 will triple by 2018. 89 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:49,330 KELSO: The state of California and the people of California have made consistent judgments 90 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:55,820 that certain types of crimes or certain patterns of criminal conduct need to be punished 91 00:07:55,820 --> 00:08:06,500 with life in prison and that's a judgment that has to be respected from my perspective is 92 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:12,430 that needs to realize those decisions come with a cost 93 00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:18,380 that you can't have a prison population 16 or 20 per cent of which in a maybe a decade 94 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:24,270 or to are going to be 55 and older, you can't do that unless you're willing 95 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:30,230 to devote a very substantial portion of the general fund to their health care 96 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:33,120 because those aging prisoners are going 97 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,620 to have health care needs that are very expensive to meet. 98 00:08:36,805 --> 00:08:41,050 --There are about 35,000 lifers in California prisons. 99 00:08:41,050 --> 00:08:46,200 Using government statistics, KPBS calculated how much money the state pays 100 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,270 to imprison inmates for a life sentence. 101 00:08:49,270 --> 00:08:57,090 If Inmate X is incarcerated at age 37, he costs taxpayers about $49,000 a year. 102 00:08:57,090 --> 00:09:01,250 But as he ages, his health care expenses will increase. 103 00:09:01,250 --> 00:09:07,140 At age 55, he could cost the state $150,000 a year. 104 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:11,430 If he lives until he's 77, he will cost California taxpayers 105 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:15,775 as much $4 million to keep him in prison for life. 106 00:09:25,375 --> 00:09:33,140 FARYON: So, when you were first convicted and sent to prison did you expect to still be 107 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:35,330 in prison when you were sixty-five? 108 00:09:35,330 --> 00:09:37,590 CAMPBELL: No, not at all. 109 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:44,800 No, I believed the hype that if you change while you're in prison and prove to us 110 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,880 that you're capable of functioning in society by doing the programs that we provide, 111 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:56,090 showing us that you've rehabilitated and the CDC staff supports 112 00:09:56,090 --> 00:09:59,230 that effort, then you will be paroled. 113 00:09:59,553 --> 00:10:01,990 --Lifers rarely get parole. 114 00:10:01,990 --> 00:10:07,530 In 2008, 7,303 lifers were up for parole. 115 00:10:07,531 --> 00:10:10,099 The board granted 294. 116 00:10:10,099 --> 00:10:15,106 But the governor has the right to reverse those decisions or send them back for review. 117 00:10:15,106 --> 00:10:19,975 In 2008 Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger denied 81 lifers parole 118 00:10:19,975 --> 00:10:23,510 and sent more than 30 cases back for review. 119 00:10:23,510 --> 00:10:26,431 Fewer than 60 inmates were released. 120 00:10:26,431 --> 00:10:32,505 The year before even fewer were paroled and in 2006, fewer still. 121 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,420 --To understand why Californians developed this tough on crime mantra, 122 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:47,540 you have to go back to the days of Charles Manson. 123 00:10:47,540 --> 00:10:50,520 At the time homicide rates were on the rise - 124 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,940 nearly doubling from the mid sixties to the late 70's. 125 00:10:57,780 --> 00:11:00,330 HARRIET SALARNO: Because the high crime, 126 00:11:00,330 --> 00:11:06,270 murder was on the rampage and people were getting furious. 127 00:11:06,270 --> 00:11:11,870 FARYON: Harriet Salarno was raising a family in San Francisco at the time. 128 00:11:11,870 --> 00:11:14,920 She and her husband owned an electronics store. 129 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,770 They kept a gun because stores like theirs were often the target of robberies. 130 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:25,280 It was the gun her daughter's killer would use in 1979. 131 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,820 SALARNO: And he shot her and murdered her execution style. 132 00:11:29,820 --> 00:11:40,050 And he went up to his dorm didn't call any help or anything watched her try to call and she died 133 00:11:40,050 --> 00:11:45,150 and finally another student found her and it was too late. 134 00:11:45,150 --> 00:11:48,740 FARYON: When Salarno learned her daughter's killer was up for parole 135 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:52,580 after just serving 10 years, she began a life-long campaign 136 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:56,290 for tougher sentencing laws and stricter parole policies. 137 00:11:56,290 --> 00:12:02,650 Her victims rights group raises enough money to employ a full time lobbyist in Sacramento. 138 00:12:02,650 --> 00:12:07,280 SALARNO: Public safety is in our constitution 139 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:12,370 and it's the priority and it must be served first. 140 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:16,280 We will back right there lobbying as heavy 141 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:27,140 as we can every morning we will have a new case we will be able to discuss with a legislator 142 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:34,460 because somebody was murdered it will be on the morning news as it is every morning. 143 00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:37,910 And that's their obligation. 144 00:12:37,910 --> 00:12:41,840 Their obligation as legislators is to do this. 145 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:47,160 FARYON: Dozens of changes to sentencing laws in the last few decades have all contributed 146 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,490 to California's highest rate of lifers in prison. 147 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:55,240 Two of the most significant, are determinate sentencing in 1977, 148 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,530 which imposed minimum sentences, and three strikes in 1994, 149 00:13:00,530 --> 00:13:04,020 which allowed repeat offenders to be sentenced to life. 150 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:06,200 LINDA: My sentence is 15 to life. 151 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,820 FARYON: And you've been here how long? 152 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:09,410 LINDA: I'm in my 24th year. 153 00:13:09,410 --> 00:13:12,740 FARYON: And Glenda? 154 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:16,940 VIRGIL: Fifteen to life, plus two for a gun allocation. 155 00:13:16,940 --> 00:13:21,280 And I've been here for 23 years. 156 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,180 FARYON: And Marylinn? 157 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:27,340 MARYLINN: Mine is 15 to life for second-degree murder and I've been down 25. 158 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:32,950 FARYON: At the California Institution for Women in Corona California, a group of inmates, 159 00:13:32,950 --> 00:13:38,490 all convicted murderers, all women, talk about what its like to grow old in prison. 160 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:42,340 LINDA: The change is for me my health. 161 00:13:42,340 --> 00:13:51,740 My health has declined and the getting around that I don't have anymore. 162 00:13:51,740 --> 00:13:55,070 I didn't think that I'd ever grow old. 163 00:13:55,070 --> 00:14:01,720 That my hips wouldn't work, that I couldn't get down or get up anymore, or my legs. 164 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,140 MARYLINN: And never in my life did I think I'd be sitting in prison and going, 165 00:14:06,140 --> 00:14:09,520 wow I'm 70 years old and I don't even have a retirement plan. 166 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,140 I don't have to go to work everyday because that's the program. 167 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:14,400 That's what you have to do. 168 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,540 Or that I would have lost my whole family behind these circumstances. 169 00:14:18,540 --> 00:14:21,740 That I would no longer have a family to reach out to. 170 00:14:21,740 --> 00:14:25,290 FARYON: The women are part of a group called the Golden Girls, 171 00:14:25,290 --> 00:14:29,040 inmates over 55 who are granted special privileges 172 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,430 like a double mattress on their metal cots. 173 00:14:31,430 --> 00:14:33,980 And they're first in line during meals. 174 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:35,680 But this is still prison. 175 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,290 And there are rules. 176 00:14:37,290 --> 00:14:41,110 Like getting down on the floor when an alarm sounds. 177 00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:42,600 This happened while we were there. 178 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:48,770 59-year-old Linda can barely make it down or back up again. 179 00:14:48,770 --> 00:14:53,730 DR. JOSEPH BICK: Prisons weren't built to make it easy 180 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:56,770 for mobility-impaired people to get around. 181 00:14:56,770 --> 00:15:03,260 Prisons were built to safely incarcerate individuals whoa re sent away 182 00:15:03,260 --> 00:15:05,630 and keep them from escaping. 183 00:15:05,630 --> 00:15:10,770 So we're trying to deal with things how do you accommodate activities of daily living 184 00:15:10,770 --> 00:15:14,150 of somebody who's in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. 185 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:18,800 Simple things like getting their clothes on, going to the bathroom, 186 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,760 ambulating down the hallway to the dining halls. 187 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,470 Having enough time to eat. 188 00:15:25,470 --> 00:15:28,810 Having more than 15 minutes to consume a meal. 189 00:15:28,810 --> 00:15:33,500 FARYON: Dr. Joseph Bick has been working as a prison doctor for 20 years. 190 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:38,300 He tends to patients at CMF's hospital and the prison hospice, 191 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:41,500 where he's held the hand of many dying inmates. 192 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:45,670 DR. JOSEPH BICK: I'm not privy to inmates' commitment offenses as a clinician, 193 00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:48,530 it's something I'm not particularly interested in knowing. 194 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:52,100 In fact I endeavour to not know because I think my job is 195 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:57,070 to provide the best quality of health care I can. 196 00:15:57,070 --> 00:16:01,750 But I'm human too and I don't want to run the risk of being influenced 197 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:09,710 by knowledge of someone's commitment offense. 198 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:18,500 FARYON: We met two inmates in the prison hospice on the day of our visit. 199 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:22,100 Angelo Chavez has end-stage liver disease. 200 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:28,330 ANGELO CHAVEZ: I was hoping they would give me a compassionate release 201 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:34,410 and that's what I'm waiting for, to see if I can go home to my family. 202 00:16:34,410 --> 00:16:38,490 FARYON: Chavez is a three striker and serving a life sentence. 203 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:42,660 His convictions include drug possession, robbery and manslaughter. 204 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:48,500 CHAVEZ: I would love to go home and die out there, than to die here. 205 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,880 FARYON: We also met Brian Long. 206 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,610 He has cancer and is expected to live another three months. 207 00:16:54,610 --> 00:17:00,140 In 1993, Long was convicted of having sex with a minor and served six years. 208 00:17:00,140 --> 00:17:06,240 In 2003 he was sentenced to 11 years for a second sexual offense against a child. 209 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,510 In California, inmates can be released for compassionate reasons 210 00:17:10,510 --> 00:17:13,250 if they have less than six months to live. 211 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:17,620 Last year there were 57 requests. 212 00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:19,590 Three were granted by the courts. 213 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:23,060 DR. JOSEPH BICK: People have very strong opinions on all sides 214 00:17:23,060 --> 00:17:29,380 of this discussion you certainly have people who have been victims or their family members 215 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:35,590 of some very heinous crimes from some of the people who live in this facility. 216 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:41,080 And they strongly feel that it doesn't matter how old somebody gets or how sick they get 217 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,040 or what they're likelihood of reoffending is they should spend the rest 218 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,230 of their life in prison. 219 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:50,870 FARYON: But Dr. Bick says we can't deny them health care. 220 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:55,450 Not only is it the law, it is also a matter of public health. 221 00:17:55,450 --> 00:18:00,230 DR. JOSEPH BICK: With so many people incarcerated we choose as a society 222 00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:05,060 to incarcerate people that come to us with such an incredible burden of disease, 223 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:09,340 HIV and hepatitis and tuberculosis and mental illness 224 00:18:09,340 --> 00:18:14,650 and substance abuse whoa re someday going to go home, to me the tragedy is 225 00:18:14,650 --> 00:18:18,270 to somehow ignore them an put them off there and assume 226 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:21,960 because they're incarcerated they don't matter or they're not going 227 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,770 to somehow impact upon the general health at time of release. 228 00:18:26,770 --> 00:18:33,090 FARYON: And how do you see your life playing out then here as you age? 229 00:18:41,890 --> 00:18:45,340 CAMPBELL: I'll just grow old and eventually I'll die. 230 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:48,770 I don't see it as - you know I'm well adapted. 231 00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:50,770 Institutionalized, if you will. 232 00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:57,250 So I don't see a problem just existing. 233 00:18:57,250 --> 00:19:00,290 Eventually I wont be able to function anymore and eventually I'll end 234 00:19:00,290 --> 00:19:03,090 up in a hospital and eventually I'll die. 235 00:19:05,220 --> 00:19:09,590 But in the meantime it's going to cost the state an awful lot of money to take care of me. 236 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:14,820 FARYON: Terry Campbell was convicted in 1966 of murder during an armed robbery. 237 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:21,410 He has two other convictions from 1968 and 1973, both while incarcerated. 238 00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:25,330 He told KPBS he was mixed up with prison gang violence. 239 00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:32,440 Since that time Campbell has earned two college degrees FARYON: 240 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,170 What's your biggest fear about growing old in prison? 241 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:51,920 CAMPBELL: I don't know if it's a fear, but my biggest concern about growing old in prison is 242 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,950 that I went through all the trouble - on a personal level I went through all the trouble 243 00:19:56,950 --> 00:20:12,090 to change, to become a different person and now I don't know 244 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:16,540 for what reason other than personal satisfaction. 245 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:18,640 I can't give anything back. 246 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,350 VIRGIL: And being alone. 247 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:33,670 Dying alone where there isn't anyone who cares about you or knows you. 248 00:20:33,670 --> 00:20:39,610 FARYON: Glenda Virgil was convicted of second-degree murder in 1987 for shooting 249 00:20:39,610 --> 00:20:41,870 and killing the man with whom she had been involved. 250 00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:45,130 She told KPBS she had been a battered woman. 251 00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:47,060 LAURANZANO: They didn't give you life without, 252 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:51,410 they didn't give you the death penalty they gave you 25 to life or 15 to life 253 00:20:51,410 --> 00:20:54,100 that means you get out at some point. 254 00:20:54,100 --> 00:20:58,420 And if you do everything they say you should get out and be a functioning member of society. 255 00:20:58,420 --> 00:21:02,240 FARYON: Richard Lauranzano was convicted of seven counts 256 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:10,650 of sexual assault with children under 14 in 1984. 257 00:21:10,650 --> 00:21:15,470 While in prison he was also convicted of murder in connection. 258 00:21:15,470 --> 00:21:26,020 He is serving a 50-year sentence but is eligible for parole in 2013. 259 00:21:26,020 --> 00:21:33,820 Lauranzano's cancer is in remission, but he has heart trouble 260 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:39,520 and is consulting with experts about surgery. 261 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,990 GOVERNOR: 30 years ago 10% of the general fund went 262 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:48,730 to higher education and only 3% went to prisons. 263 00:21:48,730 --> 00:21:56,710 Today almost 11% goes to prisons and only 7.5% goes to higher education. 264 00:21:56,710 --> 00:22:06,000 Spending 45% more on prisons than universities is no way to proceed into the future. 265 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:14,100 FARYON: But it will be a difficult ship to turn given California's 30-year history of support 266 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:22,950 for longer prison sentences and this administration's record of denying parole. 267 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:31,370 Plans to build a new billion-dollar prison to house old inmates who need chronic care 268 00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:35,140 and inmates who need mental health services are now underway. 269 00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:37,470 There isn't room for them anywhere else. 270 00:22:37,470 --> 00:22:41,920 Clark Kelso is also looking at ways to get his outside hospital costs down. 271 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:49,360 Last year the state spent 500 million dollars on those visits - about 1,000 very sick 272 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,730 and dying inmates accounted for most of that cost. 273 00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:55,700 KELSO: There are solutions I think the legislature 274 00:22:55,700 --> 00:23:00,790 and the people need o become more comfortable with such as medical parole or other types 275 00:23:00,790 --> 00:23:05,140 of programs that will get these unhealthy inmates these again inmates 276 00:23:05,140 --> 00:23:10,810 who don't pose very much threat to the public in terms of recidivism very good numbers there, 277 00:23:10,810 --> 00:23:16,130 we have to come to a better public understanding in California 278 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:19,440 with how to take care of those inmates. 279 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:26,000 FARYON: Kelso has been in talks with officials, including the governor's office, 280 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,160 about releasing some inmates to privately run secure nursing homes. 281 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,330 According to government statistics, people over 55 have less 282 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:38,940 than a four per cent recidivism rate which means they are the least likely of all inmates 283 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:41,660 to commit another offense and return to prison. 284 00:23:41,660 --> 00:23:48,690 And once released from state run prisons, it's likely they'd be eligible 285 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:51,140 for federal health care subsidies. 286 00:23:51,140 --> 00:23:53,900 KELSO: One way or another health care needs 287 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:57,360 of these people are going to be paid for by somebody. 288 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:01,670 FARYON: Should a life sentence mean a life sentence in California? 289 00:24:01,670 --> 00:24:04,320 If they're not rehabilitated absolutely. 290 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,970 HARRIET: What are you going to do with them if you let them out? 291 00:24:08,970 --> 00:24:11,870 Where are they going to go? 292 00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:14,380 What are you going to do with them? 293 00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:18,080 You're going to say they're not going to commit a crime if they can't get a job 294 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:27,380 and you're talking maybe 65 they need to make some income and they cant get a job 295 00:24:27,380 --> 00:24:32,860 and they have no place to live what are they going to do they're going 296 00:24:32,860 --> 00:24:36,200 to rob somebody's home, where are they going to get the money. 297 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,610 You just don't open the door here's your $200 go get the bus. 298 00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:45,340 FARYON: Do you ever think you will get out? 299 00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:47,370 CAMPBELL: No. 300 00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:47,970 No I don't. 301 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:59,080 That saying about it doesn't really matter where you are, but it always matters who you are? 302 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,000 You know, that applies. 303 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:11,460 That applies to a lot of us that are in prison because there are a lot of lifers who came 304 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:20,660 to prison, who didn't get into trouble like I got into trouble 305 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:28,180 when I came to prison, who are still here. 306 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:37,040 And they're sitting around wondering, well what do I have to do? 307 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:42,470 What do I have to do to get out of prison? 308 00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:48,930 How do I prove myself and who do I prove myself to? 309 00:25:48,930 --> 00:25:53,270 And there's no answer. 310 00:25:53,270 --> 00:26:16,180 FARYON: You can learn more about this issue by going to our website, kpbs.org/prisons. 311 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:25,280 And you can also leave a comment. 312 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,330 We'd love to hear from you. 313 00:26:30,330 --> 00:26:45,120 For KPBS, I'm Joanne Faryon, thanks for watching.