WEBVTT 00:00:01.580 --> 00:00:05.261 [On April 3, 2016 we saw the largest data leak in history.] 00:00:06.061 --> 00:00:08.892 [The Panama Papers exposed rich and powerful people] 00:00:08.932 --> 00:00:11.382 [hiding vast amounts of money in offshore accounts.] 00:00:11.828 --> 00:00:14.338 [What does this mean?] 00:00:15.312 --> 00:00:18.212 [We called Robert Palmer of Global Witness to explain.] 00:00:20.852 --> 00:00:25.804 This week, there have been a whole slew and deluge of stories 00:00:25.828 --> 00:00:29.124 coming out from the leak of 11 million documents 00:00:29.148 --> 00:00:33.572 from a Panamanian-based law firm called Mossack Fonseca. 00:00:33.596 --> 00:00:39.378 The release of these papers from Panama lifts the veil on a tiny piece 00:00:39.402 --> 00:00:41.640 of the secretive offshore world. 00:00:41.664 --> 00:00:46.972 We get an insight into how clients and banks and lawyers 00:00:46.996 --> 00:00:49.024 go to companies like Mossack Fonseca 00:00:49.048 --> 00:00:51.555 and say, "OK, we want an anonymous company, 00:00:51.579 --> 00:00:52.971 can you give us one?" 00:00:52.995 --> 00:00:54.805 So you actually get to see the emails, 00:00:54.829 --> 00:00:56.792 you get to see the exchanges of messages, 00:00:56.816 --> 00:00:59.891 you get to see the mechanics of how this works, 00:00:59.915 --> 00:01:01.316 how this operates. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:01.340 --> 00:01:05.393 Now, this has already started to have pretty immediate repercussions. 00:01:05.417 --> 00:01:08.018 The Prime Minister of Iceland has resigned. 00:01:08.042 --> 00:01:09.257 We've also had news 00:01:09.281 --> 00:01:14.324 that an ally of the brutal Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad 00:01:14.348 --> 00:01:16.903 has also got offshore companies. 00:01:16.927 --> 00:01:22.156 There's been allegations of a $2 billion money trail 00:01:22.180 --> 00:01:26.083 that leads back to President Vladimir Putin of Russia 00:01:26.107 --> 00:01:28.568 via his close childhood friend, 00:01:28.592 --> 00:01:30.820 who happens to be a top cellist. 00:01:30.844 --> 00:01:33.444 And there will be a lot of rich individuals out there 00:01:33.468 --> 00:01:37.786 and others who will be nervous about the next set of stories 00:01:37.810 --> 00:01:40.363 and the next set of leaked documents. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:40.387 --> 00:01:44.573 Now, this sounds like the plot of a spy thriller 00:01:44.597 --> 00:01:46.260 or a John Grisham novel. 00:01:46.284 --> 00:01:50.300 It seems very distant from you, me, ordinary people. 00:01:50.324 --> 00:01:52.832 Why should we care about this? 00:01:52.856 --> 00:01:57.099 But the truth is that if rich and powerful individuals 00:01:57.123 --> 00:01:59.777 are able to keep their money offshore 00:01:59.801 --> 00:02:02.288 and not pay the taxes that they should, 00:02:02.312 --> 00:02:06.406 it means that there is less money for vital public services 00:02:06.430 --> 00:02:09.783 like healthcare, education, roads. 00:02:09.807 --> 00:02:12.128 And that affects all of us. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:12.152 --> 00:02:14.868 Now, for my organization Global Witness, 00:02:14.892 --> 00:02:18.954 this exposé has been phenomenal. 00:02:18.978 --> 00:02:23.466 We have the world's media and political leaders 00:02:23.490 --> 00:02:28.145 talking about how individuals can use offshore secrecy 00:02:28.169 --> 00:02:30.564 to hide and disguise their assets -- 00:02:30.588 --> 00:02:35.372 something we have been talking about and exposing for a decade. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:35.396 --> 00:02:40.031 Now, I think a lot of people find this entire world baffling and confusing, 00:02:40.055 --> 00:02:44.520 and hard to understand how this sort of offshore world works. 00:02:44.544 --> 00:02:47.376 I like to think of it a bit like a Russian doll. 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.859 So you can have one company stacked inside another company, 00:02:50.883 --> 00:02:52.994 stacked inside another company, 00:02:53.018 --> 00:02:57.429 making it almost impossible to really understand 00:02:57.453 --> 00:02:59.680 who is behind these structures. 00:02:59.704 --> 00:03:02.617 It can be very difficult for law enforcement 00:03:02.641 --> 00:03:05.604 or tax authorities, journalists, civil society 00:03:05.628 --> 00:03:07.890 to really understand what's going on. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:08.318 --> 00:03:09.755 I also think it's interesting 00:03:09.779 --> 00:03:12.986 that there's been less coverage of this issue in the United States. 00:03:13.010 --> 00:03:16.773 And that's perhaps because some prominent US people 00:03:16.797 --> 00:03:21.335 just haven't figured in this exposé, in this scandal. 00:03:21.359 --> 00:03:25.294 Now, that's not because there are no rich Americans 00:03:25.318 --> 00:03:28.128 who are stashing their assets offshore. 00:03:28.152 --> 00:03:31.974 It's just because of the way in which offshore works, 00:03:31.998 --> 00:03:35.488 Mossack Fonseca has fewer American clients. 00:03:35.512 --> 00:03:38.768 I think if we saw leaks from the Cayman Islands 00:03:38.792 --> 00:03:42.443 or even from Delaware or Wyoming or Nevada, 00:03:42.467 --> 00:03:48.259 you would see many more cases and examples linking back to Americans. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:48.283 --> 00:03:54.201 In fact, in a number of US states you need less information, 00:03:54.225 --> 00:03:58.399 you need to provide less information to get a company 00:03:58.423 --> 00:04:01.216 than you do to get a library card. 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:07.022 That sort of secrecy in America has allowed employees of school districts 00:04:07.046 --> 00:04:08.952 to rip off schoolchildren. 00:04:08.976 --> 00:04:13.872 It has allowed scammers to rip off vulnerable investors. 00:04:14.452 --> 00:04:18.142 This is the sort of behavior that affects all of us. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:18.166 --> 00:04:20.037 Now, at Global Witness, 00:04:20.061 --> 00:04:23.322 we wanted to see what this actually looked like in practice. 00:04:23.346 --> 00:04:25.759 How does this actually work? 00:04:25.783 --> 00:04:26.958 So what we did 00:04:26.982 --> 00:04:33.219 is we sent in an undercover investigator to 13 Manhattan law firms. 00:04:33.763 --> 00:04:37.537 Our investigator posed as an African minister 00:04:37.561 --> 00:04:41.688 who wanted to move suspect funds into the United States 00:04:41.712 --> 00:04:44.851 to buy a house, a yacht, a jet. 00:04:45.288 --> 00:04:50.349 Now, what was truly shocking was that all but one of those lawyers 00:04:50.373 --> 00:04:54.966 provided our investigator with suggestions 00:04:54.990 --> 00:04:56.954 on how to move those suspect funds. 00:04:56.978 --> 00:04:58.790 These were all preliminary meetings, 00:04:58.814 --> 00:05:01.086 and none of the lawyers took us on as a client 00:05:01.110 --> 00:05:03.399 and of course no money moved hands, 00:05:03.423 --> 00:05:06.881 but it really shows the problem with the system. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:06.905 --> 00:05:08.824 It's also important 00:05:08.848 --> 00:05:12.214 to not just think about this as individual cases. 00:05:12.238 --> 00:05:14.451 This is not just about an individual lawyer 00:05:14.475 --> 00:05:18.329 who's spoken to our undercover investigator and provided suggestions. 00:05:18.353 --> 00:05:21.208 It's not just about a particular senior politician 00:05:21.232 --> 00:05:22.861 who's been caught up in a scandal. 00:05:22.885 --> 00:05:25.941 This is about how a system works, 00:05:25.965 --> 00:05:31.908 that entrenches corruption, tax evasion, poverty and instability. 00:05:31.932 --> 00:05:33.747 And in order to tackle this, 00:05:33.771 --> 00:05:35.442 we need to change the game. 00:05:35.466 --> 00:05:37.988 We need to change the rules of the game 00:05:38.012 --> 00:05:40.004 to make this sort of behavior harder. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:40.028 --> 00:05:42.972 This may seem like doom and gloom, 00:05:42.996 --> 00:05:44.917 like there's nothing we can do about it, 00:05:44.941 --> 00:05:46.571 like nothing has ever changed, 00:05:46.595 --> 00:05:49.931 like there will always be rich and powerful individuals. 00:05:49.955 --> 00:05:52.402 But as a natural optimist, 00:05:52.426 --> 00:05:55.904 I do see that we are starting to get some change. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:55.928 --> 00:05:57.803 Over the last couple of years, 00:05:57.827 --> 00:06:01.495 we've seen a real push towards greater transparency 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:03.353 when it comes to company ownership. 00:06:03.755 --> 00:06:06.092 This issue was put on the political agenda 00:06:06.116 --> 00:06:08.610 by the UK Prime Minister David Cameron 00:06:08.634 --> 00:06:13.394 at a big G8 Summit that was held in Northern Ireland in 2013. 00:06:13.872 --> 00:06:18.222 And since then, the European Union is going to be creating 00:06:18.246 --> 00:06:20.403 central registers at a national level 00:06:20.427 --> 00:06:23.834 of who really owns and controls companies across Europe. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:23.858 --> 00:06:28.537 One of the things that is sad is that, actually, the US is lagging behind. 00:06:28.958 --> 00:06:31.658 There's bipartisan legislation that had been introduced 00:06:31.682 --> 00:06:33.585 in the House and the Senate, 00:06:33.609 --> 00:06:36.766 but it isn't making as much progress as we'd like to see. 00:06:36.790 --> 00:06:39.877 So we'd really want to see the Panama leaks, 00:06:39.901 --> 00:06:43.695 this huge peek into the offshore world, 00:06:43.719 --> 00:06:48.771 be used as a way of opening up in the US and around the world. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:48.795 --> 00:06:53.585 For us at Global Witness, this is a moment for change. 00:06:53.950 --> 00:06:57.698 We need ordinary people to get angry 00:06:57.722 --> 00:07:00.975 at the way in which people can hide their identity 00:07:00.999 --> 00:07:02.912 behind secret companies. 00:07:02.936 --> 00:07:06.523 We need business leaders to stand up and say, 00:07:06.547 --> 00:07:09.831 "Secrecy like this is not good for business." 00:07:09.855 --> 00:07:14.235 We need political leaders to recognize the problem, 00:07:14.259 --> 00:07:19.266 and to commit to changing the law to open up this sort of secrecy. NOTE Paragraph 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.918 Together, we can end the secrecy 00:07:22.942 --> 00:07:25.999 that is currently allowing tax evasion, 00:07:26.023 --> 00:07:29.214 corruption, money laundering to flourish.