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Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.37,0:00:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Trevor Paglen: Power & Perspective]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.92,0:00:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Griffin Editions, Photography Printing Studio]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.88,0:00:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] We can just put them over here,\Nif you...
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.60,0:00:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[MAN] Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.04,0:00:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PAGLEN] Yeah, there's a little bit of drama\Naround this picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.01,0:00:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We called up the NSA and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.16,0:00:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"We're going to fly a helicopter over your\Nheadquarters—take pictures."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.39,0:00:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is perfectly legal.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.31,0:00:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said, "We don't want you to do that."
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.63,0:00:43.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We said, "Well, we're not asking permission,"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.39,0:00:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"we're just telling you that we're doing this—and\Ndon't shoot us!"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.39,0:00:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the NSA sent a bunch of guys—I think\Nseven guys—
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.90,0:00:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and posted them up at all different places\Nin the airport to watch this flight.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.02,0:00:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think they were making phone calls to\Nthe headquarters,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.44,0:00:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having certain lights turned on and off.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.33,0:01:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The woman who owns the helicopter had baked\Na bunch of brownies,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.01,0:01:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was actually driving around the little\Nairport,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.86,0:01:07.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like, playing "spot the NSA guys" and, like,\Nfeeding them brownies.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.38,0:01:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the reasons why you typically actually\Ndon't see photographs of the NSA headquarters
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.87,0:01:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is because it's surrounded by trees.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.64,0:01:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[NSA Headquarters, public domain image]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.36,0:01:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's only a couple of photographs, and\Nthey're the couple that everybody uses.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.30,0:01:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[MAN] I'm going to load this up.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.30,0:01:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] Okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.72,0:01:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PAGLEN] I generally don't like these so-called\N"bird's eye" or "God's eye" perspectives.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.24,0:01:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That perspective implies a, kind of, mastery\Nover something.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.97,0:01:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It implies that perhaps you can see this,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.20,0:01:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that it's transparent and we can understand it,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.42,0:01:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is a, kind of, insignificant thing\Nwhich is on the ground below us.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.50,0:01:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Mike Vorrasi, Senior Retoucher]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.38,0:01:52.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] Whoa! [LAUGHS]
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.79,0:01:55.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] So this is just me trying to do\Nsome...
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.10,0:01:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] What have you got going on there!?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.91,0:01:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] So the red channel was really\Nbright,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.99,0:02:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--so I was just, sort of, just blending in\Nthe blue channel a little bit.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.46,0:02:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--And the same with the blue.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.06,0:02:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--The blue was a little heavy, so I just sort\Nof was blending back in to see,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.45,0:02:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--then I was going to put that on a luminous.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:07.98,0:02:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] The next one is your profile?
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.60,0:02:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] Yeah, exactly.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.12,0:02:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] That's either your profile...
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.88,0:02:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] That's in our profile right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.63,0:02:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PAGLEN] It does look like we're at a shopping\Nmall.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:14.93,0:02:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems like a very, kind of, normal kind\Nof looking place.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.91,0:02:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I struggle with that, because on one hand,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.57,0:02:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the extent to which the NSA's tendrils are\Nin our everyday lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.56,0:02:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,perhaps this perspective is at odds with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.45,0:02:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what I like about the perspective in this\Nparticular instance
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.57,0:02:41.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it puts you in the situation where\Nwe can look at a building like this and,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.24,0:02:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to some extent, perhaps imagine that in fact\Nthese are civic institutions,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.11,0:02:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that you, as a member of the public,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.30,0:02:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be able to exert the same kind of power\Nover this institution
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.90,0:02:58.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can symbolically do by looking at\Na photograph shot from this perspective.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.08,0:03:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] Cool, so we'll save some variations\Non this one for next time,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.62,0:03:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--and let's see, like, back on that Reaper\Nimage...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.98,0:03:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] Oh, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.04,0:03:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[MAN] You want that up there?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.32,0:03:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PAGLEN] This is about as big as it gets for\Nme.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.13,0:03:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was only a couple of things that I've\Ndone at this size.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.42,0:03:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I was just shooting, like, directly into\Nthe sun with the four-by-five camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.20,0:03:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The idea for it actually came from a Turner\Npainting called "Angel in the Sun".
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.24,0:03:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These drones are called Reapers, so this is\N"The Reaper in the Sun".
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.08,0:03:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] Cool. So this is the range of stuff\Nthat we're looking at...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.37,0:03:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PAGLEN] One of the advantages of using, like,\Ntraditional kind of film
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.23,0:03:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a situation like that is that you can do\Nweird stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.93,0:04:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like over-expose a photograph, shooting directly\Ninto the sun,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.10,0:04:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and still have some wiggle room--
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.20,0:04:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have something to play with.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.10,0:04:11.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] Like, I wonder if there's, like,\Na magenta ring around here,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.38,0:04:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--or if it's just like my eyes doing stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.20,0:04:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--You know what I'm talking about?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.68,0:04:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.10,0:04:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] Yeah, it's super weird!
Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.93,0:04:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PAGLEN] We've done tons of stuff where we\Nput two prints right next to each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.72,0:04:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we're like, "Oh, the one on the right.\NOh, it's cooler or whatever."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.39,0:04:24.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we'll shift them back over, and then\Nwe're like,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.65,0:04:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Oh, the one on the right!" [LAUGHS]
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.14,0:04:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] Yeah, yeah! No, definitely.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.88,0:04:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--Even, like, putting white magnets as opposed\Nto black magnets...
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.56,0:04:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--So, I'm just, like, "If we could just cut\Ndown on some variables, like,"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.54,0:04:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--"we can kind of concentrate on what is changing,\Nand how to, like, address those things."
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.34,0:04:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[PAGLEN] In the sky, there traditionally is\Na promise of, kind of, openness,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.78,0:04:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a kind of freedom.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.06,0:04:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the sky itself has been turned against us.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.52,0:04:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The drone is just the punctuation mark.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.66,0:04:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[VORRASI] The drone looks great.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.46,0:05:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--[PAGLEN] Yeah.