1 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,380 Не знам баш како да ги започнам овие разговори. 2 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:48,270 Бидејќи ќе бидат шест разговори и седум дискусии, 3 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:55,430 би сакал да посочам, ако смеам, 4 00:00:57,900 --> 00:01:06,790 дека ќе ги промислиме заедно нашите проблеми. 5 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:13,590 Ќе користиме разум, чисто размислување, 6 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:24,500 а не било какви самоуверени верувања, мислења и судови, 7 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,140 или било каква форма на заклучок. 8 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:36,740 И заради тоа ова станува прилично сериозно. 9 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,120 Ова не е забава, 10 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:49,010 слободно утро или попладне, Сабота или Недела 11 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:59,760 туку, напротив, сериозен собир за многу длабоко размислување, 12 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:07,010 за многуте човекови конфликти, проблеми, жалости, задоволства, стравови, 13 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:11,500 и за природата на медитацијата и така натаму. 14 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,510 Ќе го поминеме сето ова во нашите разговори. 15 00:02:16,700 --> 00:02:20,050 Но, прво, сакам да нагласам, ако смеам, 16 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,930 говорникот не се обидува да ве убеди во ништо. 17 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,740 Ве молам верувајте во тоа. 18 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:33,700 Тој не ве наговорува, да мислите во согласност со неговиот посебен правец. 19 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,420 Повторно, ве молам верувајте. 20 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:43,320 Тој не ви нуди одреден сет на идеологии, 21 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,100 ни верувања, ни заклучоци 22 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,100 бидејќи тие го поделија светот, 23 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,170 човекови битија, еден против друг. 24 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,400 Така, не сме на ниту еден начин засегнати со овие работи, 25 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:08,390 нити верување, заклучок, мислења или судови. 26 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:16,500 Но, ќе одиме заедно и мислиме заедно, 27 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:25,840 вие и говорникот, внимателно, објективно, 28 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,800 за да видиме што се случува околу нас, 29 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:39,260 не романтично, не сентиментално, туку само да набљудуваме, 30 00:03:39,700 --> 00:03:45,800 без ниту еден заклучок, без понудување на било какво мислење, 31 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:56,100 туку само да погледнеме и да следиме заедно, да размислиме заедно. 32 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:02,010 А тоа мислам е многу важно, да се разбере тој збор "заедно". 33 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:13,120 Повеќето од нас се навикнати да одат на состаноци и собири од овој вид, 34 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:23,180 или да го прифатат тоа што го кажува говорникот или да го одбие, 35 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:27,530 едно мислење или една идеја против друга, 36 00:04:28,900 --> 00:04:37,550 или да ве наговорат преку паметна аргументација, 37 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:43,840 да следите или прифатите тоа што го кажува. 38 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:52,100 И заради тоа, ние мислиме заедно за овие проблеми, 39 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,500 споделуваме заедно. 40 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,300 А ова е многу важно да го разбереме, 41 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,560 ако смеам да продолжам со тоа. 42 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:10,800 бидејќи некој има тенденција да слуша како некој друг да зборува таму некаде, 43 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:16,130 а вие случајно прифаќате или негирате. 44 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:20,900 Па, мене ми изгледа, дека тоа е ваша одговорност, 45 00:05:22,590 --> 00:05:23,700 да се биде одговорен 46 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:33,650 дека преземате, сериозно, да се размисли заедно, 47 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:41,100 да се откријат точните, вистински решенија на овие проблеми 48 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,670 што ние човековите битија сме измачени со нив. 49 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,100 Така, тоа го задолжува, на делот на секој од нас, 50 00:05:54,210 --> 00:06:02,710 тоа разбирање, 51 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:12,020 капацитетот да се мисли, логично, здраво, целосно, 52 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:14,740 станува многу важно. 53 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:22,900 Ние имаме тенденција да мислиме било што што е производ на разумот, 54 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:23,900 чисто мислење, 55 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:31,960 е преинтелектуално и поради тоа, не е за секој од нас. 56 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:42,690 Но, напротив, чувствувам дека ако можеме да мислиме, набљудуваме, вразумиме заедно, 57 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:51,900 ги оставиме на страна нашите лични заклучоци, мислења и оценувања, 58 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,660 што ни се допаѓа и што не ни се допаѓа, 59 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:59,220 што не привлекува и така натаму, 60 00:06:59,230 --> 00:07:02,640 ако можеме да ги оставиме на страна сите тие нешта, 61 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:12,210 и сме способни да мислиме заедно, длабоко, здраво, 62 00:07:13,300 --> 00:07:17,680 а тоа е, објективно, целосно 63 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:29,320 тогаш, мислам ние ќе бидеме способни длабоко да се трансформираме себе си. 64 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:38,000 Бидејќи, кога некој оди околу светот, како говорникот 65 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,050 од Индија, Европа, и тука, 66 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:55,390 тогаш гледа голема тага, војни, насилство, 67 00:07:56,900 --> 00:08:05,500 сите видови на глупавост, тероризам, убивање, дрога. 68 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,310 Знаете што се случува, исто како и јас. 69 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:19,100 И ние го прифаќаме сето тоа, како небаре се неизбежни. 70 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:26,740 И како што повеќето од нас се со традиционални вредности, 71 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:37,650 ние природно и лесно се справуваме со овие нешта. 72 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:40,919 Или се револтираме против нив. 73 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,520 Но, тој револт е реакција, 74 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:55,570 како што Комунизмот е реакција на Капитализмот или Фашизмот. 75 00:08:56,700 --> 00:09:06,900 Па, без револт, без да се оди против нешто, 76 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,400 и да формираме наша сопствена мала група или комуна 77 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:15,210 или следејќи одреден гуру или друг гуру, 78 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:18,440 од Индија или од оваа земја, 79 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:27,310 а тие се распрнуваат како печурки насекаде во светот, овие гуруа, 80 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,720 за жал. 81 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:40,040 Но, ако можеме, без да прифатиме било каков авторитет, 82 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:50,290 бидејќи во спиритуалните работи не постои авторитет. 83 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,550 нема гуру, нема свештеник, нема санкции. 84 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,600 А ова е многу важно да се разбере 85 00:10:00,700 --> 00:10:03,400 ако ќе одиме заедно, 86 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:09,500 истражувајќи во сите овие проблеми што ние човековите битија сме ги имале, 87 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:15,140 векови по векови, генерација по генерација. 88 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:23,540 Но, прво ако може да се напомене, не постои авторитет тука. 89 00:10:27,500 --> 00:10:33,000 Ние сме пријатели, двајца пријатели, што разговараат заедно 90 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:40,810 за нашите конфликти, нашите несигурности, нашата мака 91 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:47,100 нештата низ кои ние човековите битија поминуваме низ животот, 92 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:53,600 и завршуваме во смрт, без да разбереме за што е сево ова 93 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:58,200 или посветени на одредена акција, мислејќи дека тоа ќе ги реши 94 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:04,720 сите наши човекови конфликти, мизерии и стравови. 95 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:11,580 Кога тоа е јасно и дефинитивно разбрано, 96 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:20,380 дека нема авторитет, говорникот нема авторитет како и да е, 97 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:23,600 иако можеби седи на платформа, 98 00:11:23,700 --> 00:11:28,700 бидејќи тоа е само за практичност, како сите би можеле меѓу себе 99 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:29,700 да се гледаме 100 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:35,780 Но, малку висина не му дава никаков авторитет. 101 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:41,400 Па така, не го претворајте во авторитет, 102 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:44,900 ставате или давате авторитет. 103 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:55,100 И навистина го мислам ова, бидејќи во психолошки работи 104 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,190 кои што ќе ги истражуваме многу длабоко заедно, 105 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:09,200 нема авторитет, било да се тоа Европските психолози. 106 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:11,500 или модерните психолози 107 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:18,870 или гуруата или книгите, или спасителите, стари или модерни, 108 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:24,580 во тоа поле на психологија да се прифати авторитет, 109 00:12:24,670 --> 00:12:32,040 е да се негира бистрина, чисто мислење, логика 110 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:37,600 и да се биде здрав и поради тоа целосен. 111 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:43,510 зборот "целосен" означува да се има добро здравје, 112 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:52,900 да се има разумност, а исто и означува С-В-Е-Т-О, свето. 113 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,800 Па кога ќе го користиме зборот целосен, холистично, 114 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:03,530 означува сето тоа, здравје, разумност, јасност 115 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,410 и тоа што е свето, комплетно. 116 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:17,200 Па, како што кажуваме во психолошкото поле, 117 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:19,400 дека нема авторитет, 118 00:13:19,500 --> 00:13:27,570 оставаме на страна, се она што луѓето ни го кажале 119 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,580 ако можеме - што е многу тешко, 120 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:38,650 и да испитаме, чекор по чекор, повторно, ако можеме 121 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:45,940 во енормниот проблем на постоењето, а нашиот секојдневен живот. 122 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,670 Психолошки, внатрешно, 123 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:07,400 ние човековите итија, било каде и да сме, ние сме светот, психолошки. 124 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:15,300 Светот е ние, светот е јас и јас сум светот. 125 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,960 А тоа е психолошки апсолутен факт. 126 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,500 Иако имаш, бела кожа, кафена или црна кожа 127 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:35,720 или што и да било надворешно, имотен, богат, просперитетен, 128 00:14:35,730 --> 00:14:39,710 многу автомобили, и сето останато. 129 00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:42,700 Или можеби си многу сиромашен, 130 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:48,200 но внатре, длабоко доле сите сме исти. 131 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:58,900 Страдаме, осамени сме, во тага сме, конфликт, 132 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:06,300 мизерија, конфузија, зависиме од некого да ни каже што да правиме, 133 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:11,820 како да мислиме, што да мислиме. 134 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,290 135 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,920 136 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,500 137 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:33,100 138 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:41,120 139 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,500 140 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,500 141 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,490 142 00:15:55,700 --> 00:15:58,910 143 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:04,940 144 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:14,070 145 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:22,500 146 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,880 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