WEBVTT 00:00:13.079 --> 00:00:16.709 So, I know most people are terrified of death, 00:00:16.709 --> 00:00:18.938 but I’m terrified of cocktail parties. 00:00:19.458 --> 00:00:21.878 (Laughter) 00:00:22.378 --> 00:00:24.968 I'm not much good at the usual social chatter, 00:00:24.968 --> 00:00:27.168 so if you put a couple of drinks inside me, 00:00:27.168 --> 00:00:29.559 there's no knowing what I might come out with. 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:31.210 (Laughter) 00:00:31.750 --> 00:00:34.123 Like what happened at one such event, 00:00:34.123 --> 00:00:37.079 halfway into a second martini. 00:00:37.919 --> 00:00:39.419 I got into a conversation 00:00:39.419 --> 00:00:43.140 with an ardent fan of the "end to aging" movement - 00:00:43.510 --> 00:00:47.440 you know, the vision of a radically enhanced life span 00:00:47.440 --> 00:00:51.780 big with Silicon Valley billionaires who think they should never die. 00:00:52.921 --> 00:00:55.018 One of them was actually boasting at the time 00:00:55.018 --> 00:00:59.485 that he was taking 150 nutritional supplements a day 00:00:59.485 --> 00:01:01.745 to ward off death - 00:01:02.597 --> 00:01:05.568 an activity that must have consumed the better part of an hour, 00:01:05.568 --> 00:01:07.685 let alone the lining of a stomach. 00:01:08.125 --> 00:01:10.038 (Laughter) 00:01:10.458 --> 00:01:11.708 The guy I was talking with 00:01:11.708 --> 00:01:14.768 didn't seem to think there was anything weird about this. 00:01:15.838 --> 00:01:17.478 He was about half my age - 00:01:17.838 --> 00:01:19.738 less than half, in fact. 00:01:19.938 --> 00:01:24.566 And since death was clearly more of an imminent reality for me than for him, 00:01:24.566 --> 00:01:29.378 he made the mistake of assuming that I'd be living in mortal fear of it. 00:01:30.228 --> 00:01:32.508 He seemed quite shocked that I wasn't. 00:01:33.028 --> 00:01:35.678 In fact, he seemed to take my equanimity of the prospect 00:01:35.678 --> 00:01:39.487 as an admission of some kind of failure on my part. 00:01:40.597 --> 00:01:44.168 “How can you accept limits that don't have to be there?" he said. 00:01:44.168 --> 00:01:46.768 "Biotechnology could mean an end to aging; 00:01:46.768 --> 00:01:50.427 it could even mean an end to death itself." 00:01:51.657 --> 00:01:53.961 And that’s when it came out. 00:01:53.961 --> 00:01:57.068 (Laughter) 00:01:58.808 --> 00:02:02.528 "But what's wrong with dying?" I said. 00:02:04.238 --> 00:02:06.488 The question startled him into silence, 00:02:06.488 --> 00:02:09.038 and the truth is it startled me too. 00:02:09.832 --> 00:02:12.665 I'd never thought to ask this specific question before. 00:02:12.845 --> 00:02:14.667 I never put it quite so bluntly, 00:02:14.667 --> 00:02:16.447 but now that it was out there - 00:02:16.447 --> 00:02:19.357 hovering in the alcoholic fumes between us - 00:02:19.357 --> 00:02:22.187 (Laughter) 00:02:23.037 --> 00:02:25.369 it seemed to cut to the heart of the matter 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:30.629 because it's taken for granted that we're all afraid of death. 00:02:31.458 --> 00:02:33.698 Ask people if they are - 00:02:33.698 --> 00:02:35.112 and I have asked, 00:02:35.112 --> 00:02:37.471 though not usually at parties - 00:02:37.471 --> 00:02:40.795 and most would say, "Yes, of course!" 00:02:40.795 --> 00:02:44.725 and look like they'd rather be anywhere but in the same room as you. 00:02:45.765 --> 00:02:47.974 There was psychologist William James, 00:02:47.974 --> 00:02:50.774 who called death "the evil background," 00:02:50.774 --> 00:02:55.443 and "the worm at the core of human aspirations to happiness." 00:02:56.453 --> 00:02:58.074 Or with poet Philip Larkin, 00:02:58.074 --> 00:03:00.634 who was very good at worms at the core of things 00:03:01.284 --> 00:03:03.286 and wrote of lying awake in terror 00:03:03.286 --> 00:03:06.866 of what he called the "total emptiness forever." 00:03:08.619 --> 00:03:12.145 But it turns out, I’m as bad at things taken for granted 00:03:12.145 --> 00:03:14.515 as I am at cocktail parties. 00:03:15.061 --> 00:03:18.408 When something seems so obvious it's beyond question, 00:03:18.408 --> 00:03:21.476 that's when I tend to start questioning; 00:03:22.206 --> 00:03:24.426 because what we take for granted 00:03:24.437 --> 00:03:29.037 may really be what we haven't taken the time to think through. 00:03:30.867 --> 00:03:32.158 I guess you could say 00:03:32.158 --> 00:03:35.874 I haven't had much option but to think through the matter of my own death 00:03:35.874 --> 00:03:38.493 since I've come pretty close to it a number of times. 00:03:39.131 --> 00:03:42.582 In the Middle-East, I was shot at on a journalistic assignment, 00:03:42.582 --> 00:03:44.231 bombed as a civilian, 00:03:44.231 --> 00:03:46.621 threatened by right-wing thugs. 00:03:47.353 --> 00:03:51.532 But the closest I've come was entirely my own doing. 00:03:52.382 --> 00:03:54.418 I lost control of a car 00:03:54.418 --> 00:03:58.561 on turn three of a race track in the American Midwest, 00:03:58.561 --> 00:04:01.195 and with what seemed immense slowness 00:04:01.195 --> 00:04:03.417 rolled over, 00:04:03.417 --> 00:04:07.247 and over, and - yes - over again. 00:04:08.337 --> 00:04:12.611 And as I rolled, a single sentence reverberated in my mind, 00:04:12.611 --> 00:04:15.194 like some kind of mantra. 00:04:15.704 --> 00:04:21.424 "This", I kept thinking, "is a really stupid way to die." 00:04:21.424 --> 00:04:23.851 (Laughter) 00:04:29.619 --> 00:04:30.619 My first reaction 00:04:30.619 --> 00:04:33.473 when the car came to a stop and I found myself still alive 00:04:33.473 --> 00:04:34.882 was amazement, 00:04:34.882 --> 00:04:36.532 followed by a surge of gratitude 00:04:36.532 --> 00:04:39.790 to whoever it was who invented the crash helmet. 00:04:39.790 --> 00:04:40.897 (Laughter) 00:04:40.897 --> 00:04:43.069 So, it only occurred to me later to ask, 00:04:43.069 --> 00:04:47.259 "What exactly would have been so stupid about dying this way?" 00:04:47.764 --> 00:04:51.082 I mean, what might I consider an intelligent way to die? 00:04:51.082 --> 00:04:52.690 (Laughter) 00:04:53.530 --> 00:04:56.558 Why was I even asking such a question in the first place? 00:04:56.978 --> 00:05:01.546 To which my only answer was: intellectual vanity. 00:05:03.066 --> 00:05:07.685 I mean, surely I was far too intelligent to die stupidly. 00:05:07.685 --> 00:05:10.567 (Laughter) 00:05:13.337 --> 00:05:17.106 It seems that not only is my life immensely significant to me, 00:05:17.106 --> 00:05:19.207 but so too is my death - 00:05:19.737 --> 00:05:21.418 even though if I was dead, 00:05:21.418 --> 00:05:25.208 I wouldn’t be around to appreciate the significance of that fact. 00:05:25.578 --> 00:05:28.539 In fact, I wouldn't be around to appreciate anything at all, 00:05:29.009 --> 00:05:31.699 which makes it a good thing I'm not religious; 00:05:32.486 --> 00:05:35.615 because then, apparently, I would be around 00:05:35.615 --> 00:05:39.107 in something called "the afterlife." 00:05:40.177 --> 00:05:44.876 And this is, to put it mildly, a sobering thought to live with; 00:05:44.876 --> 00:05:48.321 since the idea is not only that you never really die, 00:05:48.321 --> 00:05:50.850 but that what you do in this life 00:05:50.850 --> 00:05:55.030 determines your fate in a hypothetical next one. 00:05:55.783 --> 00:05:58.738 In other words, the life you're actually living 00:05:58.738 --> 00:06:02.122 has no intrinsic value in and of itself; 00:06:02.782 --> 00:06:04.722 or actually, not in other words 00:06:04.722 --> 00:06:08.635 but in the words of motivational mega-pastor Rick Warren, 00:06:08.635 --> 00:06:11.035 he of The Purpose Driven Life: 00:06:12.010 --> 00:06:13.688 "Earth," he says - 00:06:14.438 --> 00:06:16.568 and I'm not making this up - 00:06:17.088 --> 00:06:24.498 "Earth is the staging area, the preschool, the tryout for your life in eternity." 00:06:27.432 --> 00:06:30.122 Life as a practice session? 00:06:30.697 --> 00:06:33.434 I mean, that's one way to utterly trivialize it. 00:06:33.854 --> 00:06:35.154 And here’s another; 00:06:35.154 --> 00:06:39.434 because what’s on offer from the Silicon Valley apostles of immortality 00:06:39.675 --> 00:06:43.051 really comes down to a secular version of the same thing. 00:06:43.441 --> 00:06:45.566 Even if for them you stay in your body 00:06:45.566 --> 00:06:49.392 instead of evaporating into some kind of disembodied state. 00:06:50.032 --> 00:06:54.484 And so, we have Paypal co-founder Peter Thiel 00:06:54.484 --> 00:06:58.004 saying - and I quote - 00:06:58.004 --> 00:07:02.285 "If people think they're going to die, it's demotivating." 00:07:02.765 --> 00:07:05.403 (Laughter) 00:07:06.353 --> 00:07:07.517 There's more! 00:07:08.107 --> 00:07:09.247 (Laughter) 00:07:09.687 --> 00:07:15.687 "The idea of immortality," he says, "is motivational." 00:07:18.785 --> 00:07:22.929 As one of those people absurd enough to imagine she's going to die, 00:07:22.929 --> 00:07:26.806 I find Thiel's glibness astonishing. 00:07:26.806 --> 00:07:31.286 He reduces human existence to the language of corporate management, 00:07:32.303 --> 00:07:34.483 to motivational path. 00:07:35.423 --> 00:07:39.073 He seems to think our lives are invalidated by the fact that we'll die, 00:07:39.840 --> 00:07:44.425 and he assumes that life is a matter of what else but metrics; 00:07:44.807 --> 00:07:48.967 its value determined by something as easy to calculate as years. 00:07:49.797 --> 00:07:53.926 In Thiel's world, what gets us up in the morning 00:07:53.926 --> 00:07:56.526 is not the enjoyment of the life we're actually living, 00:07:56.526 --> 00:08:02.006 but the hope that we'll go on getting up in the morning forever. 00:08:04.587 --> 00:08:07.663 I for one can think of few things more depressing. 00:08:07.663 --> 00:08:10.323 (Laughter) 00:08:13.363 --> 00:08:15.914 (Applause) 00:08:17.034 --> 00:08:19.607 Thiel's dream is my nightmare. 00:08:19.767 --> 00:08:21.004 (Laughter) 00:08:21.144 --> 00:08:22.819 And if you think about it a moment, 00:08:22.819 --> 00:08:25.964 it might turn out to be yours too. 00:08:26.574 --> 00:08:28.712 Let's leave aside practical considerations, 00:08:28.712 --> 00:08:31.658 like who can possibly afford to live forever. 00:08:31.658 --> 00:08:34.143 I mean, I guess that might be less of a consideration 00:08:34.143 --> 00:08:36.692 if you are a billionaire, but only slightly less, 00:08:36.692 --> 00:08:38.687 because any number of billions of dollars 00:08:38.687 --> 00:08:42.444 is still barely a drop in the financial ocean of eternity. 00:08:43.224 --> 00:08:47.014 Instead, I'd ask you to think what it might mean to live forever, 00:08:47.018 --> 00:08:51.001 what it would be like to just keep on going, 00:08:51.001 --> 00:08:54.631 like that pink toy rabbit in the old commercial for batteries, 00:08:54.631 --> 00:08:57.266 banging away on its tin drum. 00:08:57.266 --> 00:08:58.382 (Laughter) 00:08:59.862 --> 00:09:02.756 And in fact, we do have some idea of what it would be like. 00:09:03.419 --> 00:09:05.589 It's there in the way we talk. 00:09:06.096 --> 00:09:08.196 When we say we sat through a lecture 00:09:08.196 --> 00:09:11.856 that just went on and on like it would never end, 00:09:12.406 --> 00:09:15.236 or we complain of incessant chatter, 00:09:15.236 --> 00:09:19.576 or describe a bad movie as interminable. 00:09:20.914 --> 00:09:24.314 Consciously or not, we realize that without an end, 00:09:24.314 --> 00:09:27.324 life would become a flat, featureless expanse: 00:09:27.694 --> 00:09:32.564 just one thing after another, literally ad infinitum. 00:09:33.109 --> 00:09:36.559 Endlessness would suck the vitality out of existence, 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.369 eviscerate it of meaning. 00:09:38.789 --> 00:09:41.689 It would leave us with that sense of tedium and pointlessness 00:09:41.689 --> 00:09:44.299 that's the hallmark of chronic depression. 00:09:45.899 --> 00:09:50.349 So the last thing I'd ever want is to never die. 00:09:51.794 --> 00:09:54.164 I have zero desire to live forever, 00:09:54.164 --> 00:09:58.164 because immortality is not something devoutly to be wished for, 00:09:58.164 --> 00:10:01.394 on the contrary: it's a curse. 00:10:02.294 --> 00:10:04.124 Think of Greek myth, 00:10:04.124 --> 00:10:07.234 where Sisyphus is forever rolling his boulder uphill, 00:10:07.234 --> 00:10:08.804 never to reach the top. 00:10:09.394 --> 00:10:11.734 Or of ghost and vampire stories, 00:10:11.734 --> 00:10:16.054 where the walking dead are condemned to spectral half lives without end. 00:10:17.055 --> 00:10:20.095 Or even of a comic book hero like Superman, 00:10:20.095 --> 00:10:23.945 destined never to have a regular Clark Kent life; 00:10:24.295 --> 00:10:29.225 never to live, love and die like a normal human being. 00:10:29.970 --> 00:10:31.730 We need endings 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:35.350 because the most basic ending of all is built into us: 00:10:35.880 --> 00:10:37.510 our ability to die, 00:10:37.930 --> 00:10:39.510 our mortality, 00:10:39.510 --> 00:10:43.140 is a defining part of what it is to be human. 00:10:43.140 --> 00:10:46.980 We are finite beings within infinity, 00:10:46.980 --> 00:10:49.150 and if we are alive to this, 00:10:49.150 --> 00:10:52.790 it sharpens our appreciation of the fact that we exist, 00:10:52.790 --> 00:10:55.900 gives new depth to the idea of life as a journey. 00:10:57.262 --> 00:11:02.412 So, my mortality does not negate meaning, 00:11:02.692 --> 00:11:04.527 it creates meaning. 00:11:04.807 --> 00:11:06.837 It's what wakes me up to life. 00:11:06.837 --> 00:11:07.902 It's what says, 00:11:07.902 --> 00:11:09.302 "Appreciate it! 00:11:09.302 --> 00:11:10.912 Don't take it for granted! 00:11:11.152 --> 00:11:12.892 Write the next book! 00:11:13.092 --> 00:11:14.532 Laugh with your friends! 00:11:14.762 --> 00:11:16.082 Go explore! 00:11:16.732 --> 00:11:18.812 Eat another dozen oysters!" 00:11:18.812 --> 00:11:20.092 (Laughter) 00:11:20.612 --> 00:11:23.762 Because it's not how long I live that matters; 00:11:23.762 --> 00:11:25.702 it's how I live, 00:11:26.582 --> 00:11:28.642 and I intend to do it well - 00:11:29.669 --> 00:11:31.049 to the end. 00:11:31.888 --> 00:11:33.118 Thank you! 00:11:33.758 --> 00:11:36.648 (Applause)