0:00:01.480,0:00:05.460 [New York Close Up] 0:00:05.460,0:00:08.760 [Ruby Sky Stiler, Artist] 0:00:09.580,0:00:11.300 [Daniel Gordon, Artist] 0:00:11.300,0:00:13.400 [GORDON] We started grad school at the same[br]time. 0:00:13.410,0:00:16.200 Ruby was in sculpture, and I was in photo-- 0:00:16.200,0:00:18.920 and had a big crush on her. 0:00:20.500,0:00:23.760 [STILER] And then, it took us a little while, 0:00:23.770,0:00:26.060 because we were both really shy. 0:00:26.060,0:00:28.640 [GORDON] But from the time that we got together, 0:00:28.650,0:00:30.079 we've just been together. 0:00:30.079,0:00:32.870 [STILER] This makes Danny's glue gun look[br]kind of lame, right? 0:00:32.870,0:00:34.730 [GORDON] I don't know, I mean I... 0:00:34.730,0:00:35.890 Works for me. 0:00:36.900,0:00:38.640 [Danny and Ruby are married.] 0:00:39.300,0:00:42.760 [GORDON] I mean, art is so much of our life, 0:00:42.760,0:00:45.630 so, you know, art is the personal. 0:00:46.560,0:00:49.420 I kind of did some new things. 0:00:49.420,0:00:51.930 Like this vase was... 0:00:51.930,0:00:54.640 is just leaning slightly to the right-- 0:00:54.640,0:00:56.400 which I don't mind, 0:00:56.400,0:00:58.080 but I just started to worry that 0:00:58.080,0:01:01.340 it was something that would annoy somebody[br]else. 0:01:01.340,0:01:03.500 So, I'm texting Ruby 0:01:03.500,0:01:07.650 without letting her know exactly what I'm[br]concerned with, 0:01:07.650,0:01:10.220 So that, if she sees it, 0:01:10.220,0:01:13.280 and she says, "I don't like that," 0:01:13.280,0:01:15.869 I would probably remake the picture. 0:01:15.869,0:01:17.780 [STILER] That's one thing that Danny... 0:01:17.780,0:01:19.789 I think Danny and I do really well together, 0:01:19.789,0:01:25.289 is give each other really no-frills feedback.[br][LAUGHS] 0:01:25.540,0:01:27.000 [GORDON] Oh shit. 0:01:32.820,0:01:33.580 Hmm. 0:01:35.240,0:01:38.899 [STILER] So, here's the picture that I was[br]going to show you. 0:01:38.899,0:01:40.429 Can you see that? 0:01:40.429,0:01:42.149 Look at all those babies. 0:01:42.149,0:01:44.539 Oh, here you can see. 0:01:44.539,0:01:45.679 See that baby? 0:01:45.679,0:01:46.429 That's mine. 0:01:46.429,0:01:48.590 And that's Danny. 0:01:48.590,0:01:50.979 He's cute, right? 0:01:50.979,0:01:53.219 But it's not just looks with him-- 0:01:53.219,0:01:54.479 it's the whole package. 0:01:55.320,0:01:56.600 [LAUGHS] 0:02:04.060,0:02:10.140 ["Daniel Gordon and Ruby Sky Stiler Take Baby[br]Steps"] 0:02:11.940,0:02:15.580 [Gus Stiler Gordon, Baby] 0:02:15.600,0:02:17.880 [GORDON] Before Gus was born... 0:02:17.890,0:02:19.960 [STILER] Typical studio day... 0:02:19.960,0:02:23.060 We would wake up at 9, then... 0:02:23.060,0:02:24.760 [GORDON] Well, unless I went surfing. 0:02:24.760,0:02:26.820 And then studio, 0:02:26.820,0:02:29.080 which could be anywhere from 2 to, 0:02:29.080,0:02:31.340 you know, 8 hours. 0:02:31.340,0:02:33.030 Or 10 hours. 0:02:33.030,0:02:35.290 [STILER] We do a lot of stuff at night, too. 0:02:35.290,0:02:37.560 [GORDON] And then, yeah, 0:02:37.560,0:02:40.560 drinks with friends, or dinner. 0:02:40.560,0:02:42.210 [STILER] Make love for hours. 0:02:42.210,0:02:43.950 [GORDON, LAUGHING] Make love for hours. 0:02:43.950,0:02:44.820 [GUS LAUGHS] 0:02:44.820,0:02:46.660 [GORDON] Yeah, that is funny! 0:02:47.140,0:02:48.780 And, up we go! 0:02:48.790,0:02:50.260 [KISSING SOUNDS] 0:02:52.980,0:02:54.140 [STILER] We're ambitious, 0:02:54.140,0:02:56.340 and we want to accomplish things. 0:02:56.350,0:02:59.000 And, for years, we've been like, 0:02:59.000,0:03:03.120 "Well, you know, we really don't know about[br]having a kid," 0:03:03.120,0:03:06.440 "because neither one of us wants to give up[br]anything." 0:03:06.440,0:03:08.660 That was a big thing for us. 0:03:08.660,0:03:10.340 And then, we realized, like, 0:03:10.340,0:03:11.450 "Fuck this conversation." 0:03:11.450,0:03:14.670 Like, this is like, not something we can control. 0:03:14.670,0:03:16.890 [GORDON] Yeah, let's just... let's... 0:03:16.890,0:03:17.830 Whatever. 0:03:18.250,0:03:19.370 We'll see what happens. 0:03:19.370,0:03:19.970 [STILER] Yeah. 0:03:19.970,0:03:22.510 [Gowanus, Brooklyn] 0:03:31.620,0:03:36.600 [STILER] I'm so completely obsessed with my[br]work. 0:03:37.980,0:03:40.460 There's this mythology that 0:03:40.470,0:03:44.690 you have to sacrifice everything to be a good[br]mom. 0:03:45.980,0:03:49.140 At least that's the one that I inherited. 0:03:50.900,0:03:52.620 You know, so I think that there was, like, 0:03:52.620,0:03:54.620 a lot of extra guilt for me, 0:03:54.620,0:03:57.880 that I was choosing to take myself out of... 0:03:57.880,0:03:59.820 out of Gus's daily life. 0:03:59.820,0:04:01.900 And that was my decision. 0:04:01.900,0:04:06.080 And then also, guilt that I really wanted[br]to go back to my studio. 0:04:11.820,0:04:13.060 [STILER] Hi, guys! 0:04:15.940,0:04:17.660 [GORDON] You're going to stain all of them? 0:04:17.660,0:04:20.940 [STILER] Yeah, but there is something about[br]the staining 0:04:20.940,0:04:21.859 that brings out... 0:04:21.859,0:04:23.979 I mean, this sounds really quaint when I say[br]it, 0:04:23.980,0:04:26.040 but it brings out, like, the... 0:04:26.040,0:04:26.740 [GUS COUGHS] 0:04:30.130,0:04:31.010 [STILER] You okay? 0:04:31.010,0:04:31.930 [GORDON] You okay? 0:04:35.540,0:04:36.960 [KISSING SOUNDS] 0:04:40.200,0:04:43.120 [STILER] I remember, when Danny went back[br]to work, everyone would be like, 0:04:43.120,0:04:44.940 "Oh my God, you're an amazing dad." 0:04:44.940,0:04:47.340 "You took six weeks off; that's so cool." 0:04:47.340,0:04:50.940 And he was getting, like, a lot of positive[br]feedback. 0:04:50.940,0:04:53.880 And then when I went back to work--at three[br]months--to my studio, 0:04:53.880,0:04:56.800 I remember so many comments like this one: 0:04:57.540,0:04:59.620 "That must be so hard." 0:05:00.160,0:05:06.300 I had a lot more fear and anxiety about losing[br]my identity, 0:05:06.310,0:05:11.060 and losing the things that I've managed to[br]accomplish so far-- 0:05:11.060,0:05:16.300 and, like, my small foothold in being an artist[br]that's working. 0:05:16.300,0:05:19.280 And Danny didn't have that kind of anxiety. 0:05:19.290,0:05:25.310 But, I think I was afraid I wouldn't be a[br]good enough mom. 0:05:25.310,0:05:29.000 Whenever I would talk to women of a different[br]generation-- 0:05:29.000,0:05:30.100 of an older generation-- 0:05:30.100,0:05:31.430 the response would be like, 0:05:31.430,0:05:35.030 "Well maybe you need to rethink your life[br]right now." 0:05:35.030,0:05:39.090 As opposed to what I really needed, which[br]was reinforcement-- 0:05:39.090,0:05:42.840 that I was not, like, fucking up my baby 0:05:42.840,0:05:44.500 and, you know, being selfish. 0:05:44.500,0:05:45.680 But I don't know, Daniel, 0:05:45.680,0:05:48.490 I mean, did you ever have any guilty feeling[br]going back? 0:05:48.490,0:05:50.419 Because I remember you blasted out of here. 0:05:50.419,0:05:52.240 [GORDON] I was conflicted, I think, 0:05:52.240,0:05:56.370 when I first went back to work. 0:05:56.370,0:05:58.560 When there's less time, you just have to be[br]more thoughtful 0:05:58.560,0:06:02.320 about how you spend it. 0:06:02.320,0:06:04.410 Even though it's maybe... 0:06:04.410,0:06:06.770 there's less available time, 0:06:06.770,0:06:08.470 I haven't got less done. 0:06:08.470,0:06:09.550 I really haven't. 0:06:09.760,0:06:11.720 [We are currently closed for installation.[br]Daniel Gordon's exhibition "Screen Selections and Still Lifes" opens Thursday, October 30th...] 0:06:11.720,0:06:13.080 [GORDON] Is it ready? 0:06:16.440,0:06:19.820 [WALLSPACE, Chelsea] 0:06:26.389,0:06:28.869 Yeah, I mean, like... 0:06:29.700,0:06:30.840 You know... 0:06:31.310,0:06:34.430 I want them to read as individual works, but... 0:06:35.660,0:06:38.380 [STILER] But was this a decision, their spacing here? 0:06:38.380,0:06:39.900 Because this feels kind of... 0:06:40.620,0:06:41.980 [GORDON] Yeah. Yeah. 0:06:46.340,0:06:48.440 [STILER] I think it looks so great. 0:06:49.720,0:06:51.580 [GORDON] Cool. You do? 0:06:51.580,0:06:53.380 [STILER] Mmm hmm. I love it. 0:06:54.400,0:06:55.280 I love it. 0:07:08.540,0:07:11.360 [GORDON] But, honestly, now having Gus, 0:07:11.360,0:07:14.970 it's such a pleasure and a relief 0:07:14.970,0:07:19.949 to have some other thing that's very important, 0:07:19.949,0:07:21.919 that pulls you away from all that stuff. 0:07:21.919,0:07:26.389 You know, you can't obsess and take care of[br]Gus; 0:07:26.389,0:07:28.070 you have to obsess about Gus, 0:07:28.070,0:07:30.139 and then you can obsess about the other stuff, 0:07:30.139,0:07:31.080 or whatever, you know, 0:07:31.080,0:07:34.840 like it's really nice to have 0:07:34.840,0:07:38.970 just this whole other amazing part. 0:07:38.970,0:07:40.160 It's not about art; 0:07:40.160,0:07:42.030 it's just about... I don't know... 0:07:42.030,0:07:43.250 it's about... 0:07:43.720,0:07:46.940 Life and love and family 0:07:46.949,0:07:49.139 and all that good stuff. 0:07:49.139,0:07:52.360 [STILER] And, you know, eventually a studio[br]assistant. 0:07:52.360,0:07:55.260 [GORDON] Yeah, small hand labor as well, which... 0:07:55.260,0:07:56.100 [LAUGHING] 0:07:56.100,0:07:59.630 I think that will come into play in a couple[br]of years, so... 0:08:00.900,0:08:03.300 [STILER] Okay, but don't be mad at me, okay[br]sweetie? 0:08:03.300,0:08:03.960 Alright? 0:08:03.960,0:08:05.940 [GORDON] What's this? 0:08:05.940,0:08:10.580 Because I've been wondering all this time! 0:08:10.580,0:08:13.090 You got your pants all dirty, crazy guy.