WEBVTT 00:00:08.540 --> 00:00:13.420 【Kara Walker & Jason Moran: 发出一个信号】 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:17.000 【蒸汽笛风琴在远处鸣奏】 00:00:25.900 --> 00:00:29.620 【Kara Walker】 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:31.180 【Walker, 读着】"被奴役的非洲人。" 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:36.380 “在17世纪20年代,在这个现在被河流侵蚀的地方,“ 00:00:36.380 --> 00:00:40.980 ”曾经坐落着来自塞内加尔冈比亚地区的被奴役的非洲人的营地。“ 00:00:40.980 --> 00:00:43.730 ”他们被看管在这里,在被跨河送到“ 00:00:43.730 --> 00:00:45.200 ”奴隶拍卖处之前“ 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:49.600 ”早期的阿尔及尔聚集点也同样是新奥尔良的屠宰场和火药库“ 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.120 ”的所在地。“ 00:00:55.400 --> 00:00:56.980 它让我思考 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:07.920 不能充分代表美国奴隶制度的那些纪念。 00:01:10.720 --> 00:01:13.460 【蒸汽笛风琴继续吹奏】 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.880 【Jason Moran】 00:01:38.180 --> 00:01:39.380 --[Moran]在那边的那个尖锐一些 00:01:39.380 --> 00:01:40.640 --[Moran]好的,我去带我的手套。 00:01:48.700 --> 00:01:51.260 [Walker]我曾经来过新奥尔良 00:01:51.270 --> 00:01:53.619 然后我们去了阿尔及尔聚集点。 00:01:53.620 --> 00:01:57.060 【阿尔及尔角,新奥尔良】 00:01:58.180 --> 00:01:59.999 那里当时就正在演奏这种疯狂的音乐 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.640 但是我想着可能是从某个教堂 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:03.800 或者其他什么地方传出来的。 00:02:03.800 --> 00:02:06.680 我当时就是这样的。。。 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:09.600 "那是什么?" 00:02:09.600 --> 00:02:12.980 那就像是某种,某种悬浮在空气中的东西,我无法触及。。。 00:02:12.980 --> 00:02:16.000 就像是某种嘉年华狂欢节,但是我无法参加。 00:02:17.160 --> 00:02:18.460 所以我最后就到那里。 00:02:18.460 --> 00:02:19.460 【Moran】好的。 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:24.600 【Walker】然后我发现那是一个在纳兹奇河船上的蒸汽笛风琴。 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:32.160 我的蒸汽笛风琴和外面的罩子都是“Katastwof Karavan”的 00:02:36.340 --> 00:02:38.040 【Moran】在阿尔及尔角聆听, 00:02:38.040 --> 00:02:40.420 聆听来自纳兹奇的蒸汽笛风琴声, 00:02:40.420 --> 00:02:42.580 你能从他们选择的那些歌曲里听出些什么呢? 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:44.190 【Walker】那是一种开心的歌曲。 00:02:44.190 --> 00:02:46.280 当我听到的时候,我无处安放这种音乐, 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:50.510 但是我觉得它们是一种老式,好听的歌曲。 00:02:50.510 --> 00:02:51.510 【Moran】没错。 00:02:51.510 --> 00:02:55.300 它们有一种密语让听到的人们都会有某种特别的感触。 00:02:55.300 --> 00:02:57.120 就是某样东西的解锁密码。 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:06.510 【Walker】那是一种渴望,有些南方的白种人会联想到奴隶制度-- 00:03:06.510 --> 00:03:08.680 或是那些流逝的岁月。 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.840 这不是一种对控制或权力的渴望, 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:13.220 这是一种对亲密关系的渴求。 00:03:13.460 --> 00:03:14.300 【Moran】哇哦。 00:03:14.300 --> 00:03:20.540 【Walker】 被奴役的人们的身体对他们本人所意味着的那种亲密关系。 00:03:21.420 --> 00:03:23.260 思想,身体,灵魂。 00:03:23.260 --> 00:03:25.030 还有一些其他的-- 00:03:25.030 --> 00:03:30.520 那些有点讨厌的,你甚至无法言喻的亲密关系。 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.260 那些歌曲就给了我这样的感觉。 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.610 【Moran】从这样的角度来想,你也同样 00:03:39.610 --> 00:03:44.980 触及了一些奴隶制度如何运作的行业内容-- 00:03:44.980 --> 00:03:50.420 这是一种工业,他们制造了机器,尽管是用他们的肉体。 00:03:50.420 --> 00:03:51.140 【Walker】没错。 00:03:51.860 --> 00:03:55.720 【艺术制作工作室,金士顿,纽约】 00:04:01.480 --> 00:04:04.939 【Walker】我想真正地创造一个矛盾空间, 00:04:04.939 --> 00:04:09.840 包含着美国制造业的独创性-- 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.930 这些带给我们奴隶制度的天才们-- 00:04:12.930 --> 00:04:16.360 他们之后会变成机器 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:22.350 就在那些被压榨的声音一直重现的时候。 00:04:24.640 --> 00:04:26.500 --这就是真相的时刻,不是吗? 00:04:26.500 --> 00:04:27.780 --哦,我的老天! 00:04:32.060 --> 00:04:34.300 所有的事情都在我的舒适区之外。 00:04:37.760 --> 00:04:42.900 这里的每一个部分都是,除了,蒸汽笛风琴的框架, 00:04:42.900 --> 00:04:46.360 因为它是个视觉的钩子。 00:04:49.100 --> 00:04:50.520 --这个非常重要。 00:04:50.520 --> 00:04:55.080 --它应该是一个可以活动的主要部位,而不只是一个静止的怪物。 00:04:55.080 --> 00:04:59.660 -- 00:05:00.440 --> 00:05:01.960 00:05:03.520 --> 00:05:05.880 00:05:08.900 --> 00:05:10.640 00:05:10.640 --> 00:05:12.660 00:05:14.500 --> 00:05:15.620 00:05:15.630 --> 00:05:18.160 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:19.060 00:05:19.060 --> 00:05:22.540 00:05:22.540 --> 00:05:23.620 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.200 00:05:26.200 --> 00:05:28.460 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.100 00:05:31.100 --> 00:05:34.480 00:05:35.020 --> 00:05:38.900 00:05:39.980 --> 00:05:43.940 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.280 00:05:51.290 --> 00:05:52.290 00:05:52.290 --> 00:05:53.420 00:05:53.780 --> 00:05:55.080 00:05:57.700 --> 00:05:59.500 00:05:59.500 --> 00:06:03.820 00:06:03.820 --> 00:06:08.900 00:06:08.900 --> 00:06:12.780 00:06:12.780 --> 00:06:17.080 00:06:17.080 --> 00:06:20.400 00:06:20.660 --> 00:06:23.680 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.760 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:41.720 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.560 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:46.560 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.960 00:06:51.020 --> 00:06:52.860 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.020 00:07:14.380 --> 00:07:18.380 00:07:18.380 --> 00:07:20.760 00:07:21.370 --> 00:07:22.560 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.900 00:07:25.900 --> 00:07:27.520 00:07:27.520 --> 00:07:31.300 00:07:31.320 --> 00:07:34.460 00:07:34.460 --> 00:07:36.030 00:07:36.030 --> 00:07:39.820 00:07:39.820 --> 00:07:40.880 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:47.540 00:07:48.780 --> 00:07:52.120 00:07:52.130 --> 00:07:56.960 00:07:56.960 --> 00:08:00.630 00:08:00.630 --> 00:08:05.080 00:08:07.260 --> 00:08:10.980 00:08:10.980 --> 00:08:14.240 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:18.460 00:08:18.470 --> 00:08:22.610 00:08:22.610 --> 00:08:24.260 00:08:24.260 --> 00:08:25.840 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:29.900 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.000 00:08:34.010 --> 00:08:35.560 00:08:35.560 --> 00:08:38.620 00:08:39.680 --> 00:08:41.400 00:08:41.580 --> 00:08:42.640 00:08:43.940 --> 00:08:49.000 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.320