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Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.86,0:00:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: OK. So our next speakers are\Ngoing to talk about the charges against
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.10,0:00:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, which is a\Ntopic that's very close to our hearts. I
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.14,0:00:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guess, most our hearts at least. And it's\Nalso something that's incredibly important
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.36,0:00:45.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for us as a community and it's a threat\Nagainst the entire tech community,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.02,0:00:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minorities, human rights advocates,\Nactivists. So a lot of people you
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.82,0:01:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should really care about. And the speakers\Nare Renata Avila, who's the executive
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.89,0:01:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,director of Fundación Ciudadanía\NInteligente. Yay!
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Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.61,0:01:18.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Renata Avila: Well done.\NHerald Angel: Naomi Colvin, who is the UK
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.35,0:01:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,program director at Blueprint for Free\NSpeech - which is much easier to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.06,0:01:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pronounce, thank you so much -\N{\i1}supporting applause and speakers laughing{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.42,0:01:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: And Angel Richter, who's a\Ndirector and writer and artist and a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.46,0:01:47.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of things, and she specializes on\Nwhistleblowing and digital dissidents, and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.24,0:01:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the plays, which is transmedia\Nplay. You might know, it's called Super
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.12,0:02:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nerds. So a round of applause for our\Namazing speakers. And let's begin the talk.
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Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.89,0:02:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angela Richter: Thank you very much. Good\Nevening, everyone, and thank you for
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.74,0:02:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coming here tonight. And thank you also\Nfor our introduction by the moderator, a
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.17,0:02:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very charming guy, as I thought. And also\Ngood to give a little bit lightness to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.88,0:02:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this - for me very serious issue actually\N- that we are here. Like you said, I am
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.72,0:02:36.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an artist. And for me, WikiLeaks was very\Nimportant. And also Julian Assange,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.89,0:02:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because somehow they were the entrance for\Nme as an artist to this community that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.42,0:02:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,became very dear to me in the last 10\Nyears. And I attended some of the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.55,0:02:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Congresses in the last 10 years and\Nlearned a lot about things that I never
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.36,0:03:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knew before. So I owe a lot, actually, to\NWikiLeaks and also to this community,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.16,0:03:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it opened so many things for me\Nup. So, yeah, this I wanted to say first
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.34,0:03:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I will also show a little piece\Nof a recent play I did in Zagreb. It's by
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.51,0:03:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Slavoj Žižek, who is also supported by\NJulian. And it is not so much... It is
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.57,0:03:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,related to our topic. It's a little bit\Nlike a mood board that we want to show
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.51,0:03:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before we start.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.53,0:03:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Richter: And like he said, this will be\Nabout how we can support WikiLeaks. And of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.54,0:03:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course, Julian Assange, which is also a\Nvery personal matter for me, because he
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.33,0:03:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,became a very close friend in the last 10\Nyears who I also owe a lot. And on the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.62,0:03:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other hand, I think it's not only about\Nhim and his life, which is serious enough,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.68,0:03:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think that this thing that is\Nhappening to him, that he's being charged
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.87,0:03:56.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Espionage Act - this is the first\Ntime that something like this happens to a
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.66,0:04:03.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publisher - is a threat to free speech to\Nall of our freedom. And it means that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.45,0:04:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually everyone who speaks truth to\Npower can be kidnapped, extradited to the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.33,0:04:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,US and then end up in prison for the rest\Nof his life. And I think that this is -
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.86,0:04:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this community also - a threat,\Nespecially because we all know that we are
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.54,0:04:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to be secure. Secure free speech is\Nvery important issue here. So, yeah. We
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.63,0:04:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will go into the details in the course of\Nthis week. Thank you very much.
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Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.12,0:07:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Renata Avila: We will try to be brief to\Nleave enough time for questions, because
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.73,0:07:38.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we think that you have a lot of questions\Non this case and so we will alternate and
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.73,0:07:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discuss different issues, starting with:\NWhat are we at now?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.68,0:07:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Richter: Yes. On the left side, you see\NBelmarsh Prison. This is the high security
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.60,0:07:57.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prison that Julian is housed at the\Nmoment. And what I find very chilling
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.67,0:08:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it,is that it's actually a place\Nwhere usually you find terrorists,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.38,0:08:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,murderers and mafia people and so on. So,\Nhigh criminals. And he is only at the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.76,0:08:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moment being held there for extradition\Nreasons, which is also extreme, because he
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.99,0:08:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is 23 hours a day alone in his cell, which\Nis actually isolation. And then the next
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.45,0:08:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,picture shows a typical room in a prison\Nin Virginia, where Chelsea Manning is held
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.11,0:08:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the moment, again. And I think, it must\Nbe something like 10 months in the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.68,0:08:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meantime, that she is again in prison,\Nbecause she is not willing to testify
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.34,0:08:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against Julian Assange in front of a grand\Njury.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.40,0:08:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: So raise your hand if you have less\Nthan 30 years. So -
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.82,0:09:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Richter: OK. Thank you.\NAvila: - that says a lot, because it means
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.57,0:09:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that probably your first encounter with\NWikiLeaks was just only 5 years ago. And
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.48,0:09:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you were a teen, when many things were\Nhappening. And we know that today is Young
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.65,0:09:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hackers Day, so it was important for us to\Nquickly go through the important
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.84,0:09:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publications that WikiLeaks published in\Nthe last decade. Why? Because there are
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.52,0:09:32.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many misconceptions since 2016 and a lot\Nof misinformation followed the election of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.55,0:09:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Donald Trump. And so we want to show here\Nand it is, of course, not a detailed list.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.16,0:09:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can find a detailed list on WikiLeaks,\Non Wikipedia - two concepts at the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.70,0:09:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beginning were all of them mixed,\Nactually. And the same principles followed,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.96,0:09:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say. But what I want to show here\Nis the most impactful publications by
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.82,0:10:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WikiLeaks, that changed the course of\Nhistory in many places and also -
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.10,0:10:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,highlighted in green - their political\Npersecution moments. Not only against
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.56,0:10:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian Assange, but against other people\Nthat were closely connected to these
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.95,0:10:22.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developments in the last decade. So 2008\Nwas a very exciting year for WikiLeaks
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.61,0:10:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I think that - even if it was\Ncreated before - was the year that it got
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.54,0:10:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mainstream. Why? Because it changed\Nelections in Kenya by exposing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.50,0:10:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extrajudicial killings. And it really\Nchanged the outcome of the election. Like
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.66,0:10:43.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people realized that one of the candidates\Nwas involved in these extrajudicial
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.66,0:10:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killings of young people. And that really\Nimpacted deeply the African nation. Not
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.62,0:10:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only that, you may have forgotten about\Nthat, but he was the first publication of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.01,0:11:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the batch of emails from Sarah Palin. And\Nalso, there were lots of publications in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.87,0:11:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Latin America. That's how I became\Nfamiliar with WikiLeaks and very excited
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.45,0:11:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about that. Petrol Gate, the biggest\Nscandal of corruption in Peru. And so,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.20,0:11:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publications involving Guerillas and False\NPositives in the Colombian war. It has
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.07,0:11:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started, like, from the places from\NAfrica, from Latin America and also the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.72,0:11:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,US. On 2009, I will say that the highlight\Nand why WikiLeaks became very busy, well,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.73,0:11:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it exposed a lot of the censorship lists\Nout of China and Iran and other countries.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.56,0:11:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Internet was not what it used ... it\Nis not what it is today. Censorship was
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.97,0:11:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tangible. You will see a blocked website.\NAnd now, as we will discuss later, now
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.10,0:11:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a different form of censorship. And\Nso WikiLeaks at the moment was the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.66,0:12:04.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guardian of this free internet and also it\Nwas their big moment in Iceland. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.23,0:12:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big opportunity for WikiLeaks as well. In\Na jurisdiction to become not only a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.00,0:12:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publisher, but a designer of a new\Necosystem of freedom of information. So it
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.57,0:12:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposed the corrupt involving the\Nfinancial scandal there. And it got
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.90,0:12:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really, really exciting there. Things,\Nlike the EME initiative and all the things
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.44,0:12:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are now part of our history. Then\N2010 and then 2010 was the year when
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.94,0:12:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things started to get really complicated.\NWhy? Because instead of torching countries
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.23,0:12:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the periphery or torching developing\Ncountries. So it's OK. It's always cool to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.24,0:12:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expose there by human rights violations of\Nan African or Latin American person in
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.38,0:12:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power. But when you torch the center of\Npower, when you torch the most powerful
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.01,0:13:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,military in the world, you get into\Ntrouble. So on 2010, Collateral Murder
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.51,0:13:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,video was published, The Afghan War\NDiaries, Iraq War Logs and cable gate. And
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.45,0:13:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was the moment when Julian Assange\Nwas arrested. It was not arrested because
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.28,0:13:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the publications. It was just a few\Ndays after the publication started that he
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.90,0:13:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was arrested on behalf of Sweden. And no\Ncharges, it was not because of charges. It
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.13,0:13:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was because of ongoing investigation.\N2011, the Gitmo files, spy files, the spy
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.76,0:13:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,files. The first batch of publication, 160\Ncompanies involved in mass surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.32,0:13:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,private mass surveillance. That was Pre-\NSnowden, remember that. And that, at that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.46,0:13:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moment Julian only spent a little in the\Nsame prison that he is now, only a few days.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.87,0:13:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he was released on bail. But from\Nthat moment, from the moment that he put,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.42,0:13:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he presented himself - he surrendered\Nhimself to the police, he never hide -
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.98,0:14:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he voluntarily went there when he was\Nrequested. From that moment, his life
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.95,0:14:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,became a hell of surveillance. He was, not\Nonly, had a tag on his ankle following him
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.75,0:14:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everywhere, but he had the most strict\Nbail conditions that you can imagine. He
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.28,0:14:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could not even give a talk in London\Nbecause he will have to go back. He had
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.74,0:14:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ridiculous hours to report himself to the\Npolice. He was watched all the time. He
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.34,0:14:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had to report to the police on a daily\Nbasis. Someone suspected of terrorism was
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.08,0:14:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enjoying more relaxed conditions than\Nsomeone who wasn't charged. And that's a
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.47,0:14:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constant. In this case and other\Npolitically motivated cases, you are not
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.09,0:14:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the rule, you are the exception. And\Nexceptionally harsh the system treats you.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.89,0:14:54.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 2012 struck for e-mails and also the\NSyria files. Syria files is a publication
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.14,0:14:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is not often mentioned, but it was\Nvery relevant. Exposing all the dealings
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.33,0:15:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Syrian elites. And Julian is\Ngranted political asylum in Ecuador. He
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.92,0:15:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could have requested political asylum much\Nearlier, but he wanted to go through all
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.03,0:15:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the legal process in the UK and all their\Nappeals. And it was his last chance to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.02,0:15:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exercise that right. Then 2013, the TPP\Ntext and Spy Files 2. And that was the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.16,0:15:27.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moment when Manning was sentenced to 35\Nyears in prison. As Snowden is granted
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.05,0:15:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asylum in Moscow as well. And Jeremy\NHammond is convicted and sentenced to 10
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.05,0:15:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years in prison. Jeremy Hammond is the\Nalleged source of the Stratford, the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.03,0:15:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Global Intelligence Files. Then 2014 TISA,\NSpy Files 3 and the updated TPP text, then
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.32,0:15:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2015, the Sony archives, the Saudi cables.\NActually, that Saudi cable publication was
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.62,0:15:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the most dangerous ones. You\Nsaw what happened to journalist Jamal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.78,0:16:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Khashoggi. I mean, it is very, very\Ndangerous publication and hacking team
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.95,0:16:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,searchable database and the TPP final\Ntexts. This is very important because it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.34,0:16:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really changed the life for better of\Nloads of people. I personally work on
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.67,0:16:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,global trade issues and the negotiators of\Ndeveloping countries or representing
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.95,0:16:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under-represented communities, like, they\Nare so thankful to WikiLeaks for releasing
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.59,0:16:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and publishing the TPP/IP chapter because\Nit means better access to medicine. It got
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.74,0:16:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people with better conditions for\Nnegotiations in key issues such as access
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.56,0:16:49.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to medicines. Then 2016, I would say that\NI will compare to 2010. And then you,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.45,0:16:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, torch the center of power.\NWikiLeaks torch again the center of power
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.57,0:16:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by publishing the Clinton, Podesta and DNC\Nemails. And that change allowed the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.77,0:17:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,narrative and changed a lot the narrative\Nin a very different world because it was
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.14,0:17:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not any more tangible censorship on deck\Nor the clear publication. But our
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.38,0:17:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information ecosystem, as we know, had\Nbeen modified by social networks, by
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.05,0:17:24.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different forms of distributing and\Naccessing content. 2017, Obama leaves the
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.13,0:17:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,administration by commuting Chelsea\NManning sentence and she's later release
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.67,0:17:36.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that year. And WikiLeaks publishes NSA\Nspying on French Election. Vault 7, which
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.45,0:17:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is their tool kit of spying of the CIA and\Nthe spy files of Russia. 2018, Amazon
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.77,0:17:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Atlas, US embassy shopping list and their\Nweapon dealers details. Here is very
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.31,0:17:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important that the conditions of Julian\Nchanged radically after 2016 at the
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.48,0:18:01.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ecuadorian embassy and the pressure of the\NUS increased terribly. And he was not
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.87,0:18:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowed anymore to do his job as a\Njournalist. He spent most of the year
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.23,0:18:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gagged, and he could not participate\Nactivel, directly on his role
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.19,0:18:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as editor. And 2019, you saw in the video.\NAssange is arrested. Manning is arrested
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.89,0:18:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again. But in spite of that, in spite of\Nall the pressure, WikiLeaks refuses to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.27,0:18:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shut down and continues publishing. The\NPope orders, the Douma Chemical Attack and
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.65,0:18:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fishrot. So as you can see, Julian has\Nupset and WikiLeaks has upset enough
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.59,0:18:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people from the most powerful army in the\Nworld to the most powerful governments to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.69,0:18:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most powerful corporations. And so\Ntheir plans, frustrated with the TPP
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.84,0:18:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collapse, and the TTAP collapse, and TISA\Ncollapse to even the Pope. So if you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.41,0:19:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,upset, if you expose so many people, you\Nhave very few allies left. You have
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.24,0:19:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically the people as your allies. So\Nthat's why this talk is really, really,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.21,0:19:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really important. And you have also the\Nmedia, because over the 10 years WikiLeaks
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.63,0:19:20.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has worked closely with most of the news\Noutlets all over the world. If you checked
Dialogue: 0,0:19:20.95,0:19:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your newspaper tomorrow morning, it's\Nhighly likely that it was one of the
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.50,0:19:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WikiLeaks media partners. This is just a\Nsmall sample of over 125
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.07,0:19:34.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media organizations all over the\Nworld that had collaborated closely with
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.23,0:19:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WikiLeaks.\NRichter: And I just want to add a very
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.23,0:19:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting little detail that John Goetz\Ntold me, who was at that time - He's a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.30,0:19:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,journalist. He now works for Süddeutsche\Nand ARD - and at that time, he was working
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.95,0:19:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Der Spiegel, who also worked closely\Nwith WikiLeaks at that time, 2010. And
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.12,0:19:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they published Cable Gate. And it's\Ninteresting to know that due to a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.43,0:20:03.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technical glitch, because the deal was\Nthat WikiLeaks publishes first and after
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.39,0:20:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that, the newspapers follow. Spiegel, New\NYork Times, Guardian and so on. And due to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.24,0:20:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this glitch, WikiLeaks was not able to\Npublish in time. So they were too late
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.81,0:20:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the publishing and all the newspapers\Ncame out already. So technically they
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.67,0:20:24.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,published first, which is very important\Nfor the case in a way, because he's
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.97,0:20:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,charged because he published it first, the\NCable Gate. And it would be interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.91,0:20:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because what does it mean? It means that\Nactually the journalists from Spiegel and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.62,0:20:42.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,New York Times and Guardian could face the\Nsame penalties. And when you imagin that,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.08,0:20:46.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I think the impact it has on\Npublishing becomes even more chilling and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.57,0:20:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clear, you know. So I thought to tell you\Nthis little detail about the publishing of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.14,0:20:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cable Gate.\NAvila: So what happened on
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.02,0:21:01.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,April 11 when he was expelled from the\Nembassy and dragged out is something that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.94,0:21:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goes beyond just Julian Assange. As a\Nhuman rights lawyer, do you know when I
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.08,0:21:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see political unrest, when I see people,\Ndissidents at risk, I always tell them
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.07,0:21:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a good relationship with a friendly\Nembassy, that defends human rights and in
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.95,0:21:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,case of trouble, get there, get inside an
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.41,0:21:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,embassy. It is happening now with\Ndissidents in Bolivia, for example, who
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.87,0:21:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are like right now at the embassy, in the\Nembassy in Mexico. And we advise any of
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.67,0:21:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do that. But now with caution, because\Nnow, since the violation and since this
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.36,0:21:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really brutal way that asylum was taken\Naway from an illegal way, that asylum was
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.24,0:21:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taken away from Julian and the way that\Npolice from a different country enters an
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.46,0:21:57.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,embassy, asylum has been weakened forever\Nuntil we reverse this. That's why this is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.07,0:22:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yet another reason why this case is very\Nimportant. Right now, you know, even the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.28,0:22:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government of Bolivia is threatening the\NMexican embassy to get inside and take out
Dialogue: 0,0:22:09.67,0:22:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the dissidents seeking asylum inside the\Nembassy. It is really upsetting to see how
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.96,0:22:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an institution has over 400 years that was\Ndesigned to protect dissidents is being
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.84,0:22:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dismantled by this scandalous case. And\Nwell, when he was out, it happened what we
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.11,0:22:38.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had predicted for years. For years we have\Nbeen saying at the moment when his arrest
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.11,0:22:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they will unseal an indictment for\Nespionage. And everyone will look at us
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.87,0:22:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like back in 2010 and 2011, say, look,\Nyou're paranoid. There is no way that the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.50,0:22:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,US is going to prosecute Julian. He's just\Nhiding from Swedish charges that were
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.02,0:22:59.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying. Always charges, even there were\Nnever charges. And he is a coward and he's
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.32,0:23:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a paranoid. And this is not going to\Nhappen. It happened immediately, and it
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.11,0:23:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happened immediately. And just as\Npredicted, it was so upsetting to see the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.81,0:23:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,result of the Swedish investigation,\Nbecause not only, over there, I mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.14,0:23:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a good journalist doing her job\Nand she discovered over the years
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.41,0:23:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different irregularities. Sweden wanted to\Nshut down the case back in 2013, after the
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.50,0:23:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asylum was granted. An obstacle... it was\Na collusion. And it's really good... if
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.92,0:23:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you like documents and you like deep\Nresearch, get into the documents that are
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.96,0:23:47.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already available and see how the UK\Nsystem put a lot of pressure on Sweden,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.98,0:23:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to prosecute this case as they usually\Nprosecute any case. Things as simple as a
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.91,0:24:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,videoconference could have been taking\Nplace back in 2010, back on August,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.91,0:24:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,September 2010. And it didn't happen\Nbecause of a lot of political pressure.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.64,0:24:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, now the charges. There are 18 charges\Nagainst Julian Assange and they might be
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.67,0:24:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,charges against more people who were\Nmentioned in the indictment. The charges,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.89,0:24:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he's facing for publishing, amount\Nto 175 years in prison. And to make your
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.44,0:24:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life simpler, basically the charges\Nare: online publishing, protecting
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.13,0:24:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sources and doing journalism. If you read\Nwhat it is about, it's really chilling and
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.53,0:24:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is especially chilling because look at\Nwho's in charge now. Right now all over
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.92,0:24:52.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world. And it is the first time that\Nthe Justice Department gets away with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.45,0:24:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is using that very anachronic law to\Nobtain an indictment from a grand jury,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.07,0:25:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is from a group of people who thinks\Nthat it is okay to prosecute under
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.47,0:25:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Espionage Act charges, online publication.\NIf you get a takeaway from tonight: This
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.50,0:25:19.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the takeaway. This is the serious thing\Nthat we are discussing right now. And the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.91,0:25:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing is, this is important, because at\Nthe center of this is our right to know.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.27,0:25:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The right to publish it on our site, is\Nour right to know. Three relevant aspects
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.44,0:25:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the charges. You will read a lot of:\N"Oooh, but WikiLeaks and Julian had blood
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.45,0:25:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on his hands." "It risked informants and\Nput at risk." These charges have
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.28,0:25:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nothing to do with this risk assessment.\NThat will not be even known by the court.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.11,0:25:58.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These redactions and these measures of\Nprotection, that, over another in media,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.91,0:26:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not relevant for their espionage charges.\NAnd it is also important to notice, that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.56,0:26:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it mentions constantly over the indictment,\NWikiLeaks as an intelligence agency of the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.98,0:26:17.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people. And that mirrors the language of\NPompeo, the current secretary of state,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.75,0:26:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is trying to frame WikiLeaks as a non-\Nstate terrorist actor. Like the equivalent
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.39,0:26:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of al-Qaeda. And that has huge, horrible\Nimplications, not only on the core
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.93,0:26:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WikiLeaks organization, but on supporters\Neven wearing a T-shirt, reading a book
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.24,0:26:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it. It can place you in a not so\Nnice place. The important thing, that is
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.79,0:26:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very worrying is, that more people may be\Ndetained and charged, before or after the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.87,0:26:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extradition takes place.\NColvin: And we don't have to speculate
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.85,0:27:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this dragnet, of course, because it\Nis already here. Already here in its
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.29,0:27:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pattern of intimidation and petty and\Nvindictiveness. Chelsea Manning, one of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.25,0:27:12.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the great heroes of our time, one month\Nbefore Julian was expelled from the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.84,0:27:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ecuadorian embassy and arrested on U.S.\Ncharges, just like it always said would
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.70,0:27:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happen. One month before, Chelsea Manning\Nreceived a subpoena to testify before a
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.20,0:27:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,grand jury in the Eastern District of\NVirginia. She refused to testify and was
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.55,0:27:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imprisoned for contempt. She is\Ncurrently... she's served 10 months. Back
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.34,0:27:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in prison, she is currently being fined a\Nthousand dollars for every day she spends
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.78,0:27:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in prison, not testifying. This is what\NChelsea said about what is happening, in a
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.48,0:27:51.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,statement in May: "I believe this grand\Njury seeks to undermine the integrity of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.63,0:27:56.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public discourse with the aim of punishing\Nthose who expose any serious, ongoing and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.22,0:28:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,systematic abuses of power. The idea I\Nhold the keys to my own cell is an absurd
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.48,0:28:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one. As I face the prospect of suffering\Neither way, due to this unnecessary and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.61,0:28:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,punitive subpoena: I can either go to jail\Nor betray my principles. The latter exists
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.50,0:28:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a much worse prison than the government\Ncan construct." In September, Jeremy
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.62,0:28:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hammond, coming to the end of a long\Nprison sentence for his role in the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.78,0:28:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publication of the Go Global intelligence\Nfiles. He received a, he was called,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.15,0:28:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against his will, to testify before a\Ngrand jury, again, in the Eastern District
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.64,0:28:41.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Virginia. Again, he refused to testify.\NAgain, he's been jailed for a possible 18
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.49,0:28:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,months on contempt. Because this is what\Nhe had to say about it in October: "After
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.15,0:28:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seven and a half years of paying my debt\Nto society, the government seeks to punish
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.32,0:28:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me further with its vindictive,\Npolitically motivated legal maneuver to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.04,0:29:00.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,delay my release. I am opposed to all\Ngrand juries, but I am opposed to this one
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.67,0:29:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in particular because it is a part of the\Ngovernment's ongoing war on free speech
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.53,0:29:09.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,journalists and whistleblowers." If this\Nhadn't happened to Jeremy, he would be in
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.76,0:29:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a halfway house by now. He would've been\Nreleased from prison. He might have been
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.44,0:29:23.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,participating in this Congress. On the\N11th of April this year, the same day that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.43,0:29:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian was expelled from the Ecuadorian\Nembassy and arrested and indicted by the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:27.98,0:29:32.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,United States, just like he always said\Nwould happen, his friend Ola Bini was
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.95,0:29:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arrested in Ecuador. Ola spent two months\Nin an Ecuadorian prison in absolutely
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.11,0:29:44.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disgusting conditions, until he was\Nreleased by a writ of habeas corpus. Ola
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.39,0:29:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has now been charged with charges that\Nsuggest that the prosecutors in Ecuador
Dialogue: 0,0:29:48.24,0:29:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't really understand what it is, that\Nsecurity researchers do every day. Senior
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.26,0:29:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ecuadorian politicians, the most senior\NEcuadorian politicians, have been on
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.87,0:30:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,television in Ecuador, saying that Ola is\Nguilty before any trial date has been set.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.25,0:30:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Organizations like Amnesty and EFF have\Nsaid, that Ola's prosecution is political.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.46,0:30:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, they are quite correct.\NIt's all political. Extradition is
Dialogue: 0,0:30:16.10,0:30:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political. Don't let anyone tell you\Ndifferently. Extradition is an
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.72,0:30:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,institution, developed as a deal behind\Nclosed doors, done between sovereign
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.60,0:30:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,powers. It's only in the past hundred\Nyears or so, the parts that have been
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.53,0:30:36.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transferred into courtrooms. But\Npoliticians still have an active role in
Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.44,0:30:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extradition proceedings, and sometimes\Nextradition is used for political
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.98,0:30:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purposes. Extradition in the UK is also\Nvery political. What is it that every taxi
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.81,0:30:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,driver in London could tell you about\Nextradition? if you don't believe me,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.01,0:30:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're welcome to test this out\Nempirically, next time you're in town.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.70,0:30:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it they'll tell you? They will\Ntell you that the UK has an unfair,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.84,0:31:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unequal, unbalanced, inequitable extradition\Ntreaty with the United States. This treaty
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.64,0:31:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dates from 2002, when Tony Blair was keen\Nto give the United States everything it
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.04,0:31:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could possibly want and more. One of the\Ngentlemen pictured in this slide is Gary
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.96,0:31:23.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,McKinnon. Very shortly after the 2002\Nextradition treaty came into force, Gary
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.72,0:31:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,McKinnon started a 10 year battle not to\Nbe extradited to the United States on
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.14,0:31:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hacking charges. He prevailed, in the end,\Nbut only after he'd been through the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.08,0:31:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entire legal process twice. And he was\Nrescued, eventually, by the say so of a UK
Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.54,0:31:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,home secretary. The other gentleman on\Nthat slide is Lowry Love. In February last
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.73,0:31:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year, Larry won his battle against\Nextradition to the United States, again on
Dialogue: 0,0:31:53.45,0:31:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hacking charges, at appeal in the high\Ncourt. I was involved in that campaign.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.81,0:32:02.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm glad he won. I'm glad he won, because\Nit means we have a hope of saving Julian.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.77,0:32:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He'd be in trouble if he hadn't. Larry won\Non two different bases. One of them is
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.74,0:32:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very relevant. One of the reasons why\NLowry won his battle against extradition
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.40,0:32:17.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is, because judges in the high court,\Nincluding the most senior judge in England
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.51,0:32:24.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Wales, ruled that U.S. prisons are so\Nbad, the conditions are so barbaric, so
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.12,0:32:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,medieval, that somebody with preexisting\Nhealth conditions like Lowry, there was no
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.28,0:32:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,guarantee he'd stay alive in a US prison.\NYou might be hearing more about that in
Dialogue: 0,0:32:33.34,0:32:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,February next year. But there are other\Nbig, big issues involved in Julian
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.59,0:32:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Assange's extradition case. Big, big\Nissues that don't necessarily involve him
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.60,0:32:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that much at all. The first clip on that\Nslide is a part of Jon Stewart Mill's
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.53,0:32:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,autobiography. John Stuart Mill, liberal\Nphilosopher, and also a British politician,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.36,0:33:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a bit. And in this extract, he's\Ntalking about how he battled to change an
Dialogue: 0,0:33:06.02,0:33:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earlier incarnation of a UK extradition\Ntreaty because he didn't want the British
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.98,0:33:16.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government to become, quote, "an\Naccomplice in the vengeance of foreign
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.02,0:33:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despotisms". Extradition should not be\Nused as a political tool for foreign
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.01,0:33:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,governments to pursue and punish people it\Ndoesn't like. People who are guilty of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.39,0:33:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political offenses. It's a fundamental\Nquestion of sovereignty. If you were at
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.95,0:33:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andy Müller-Maguhn's excellent talk\Nyesterday morning, you will have heard
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.40,0:33:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the pervasive, thoroughgoing and\Nquite frightening surveillance that was
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.13,0:33:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening at the at Ecuadorian embassy for\Nthe seven years that Julian Assange was
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.94,0:33:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living there. This raises a fundamental\Nissue: If your every legal conference, all
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.01,0:33:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of your discussions with your lawyers are\Nbeing surveilled and allegedly passed
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.80,0:34:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,straight to the power that's trying to\Nprosecute you, if all of your legal
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.39,0:34:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documents are handed over, allegedly -\Nwell, actually, we know that - to the
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.97,0:34:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power that's trying to prosecute you. What\Ndoes that mean for your chances of a fair
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.92,0:34:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trial? If you care about surveillance at\Nall, we're going to have to make a stand
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.35,0:34:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this very extreme case, because if we\Ndon't, how are we ever going to stand up
Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.35,0:34:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for fair trial rights for anyone?\NRichter: Yes. And before I go further in
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.51,0:34:31.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our topic, I just want to say that I have\Npersonal experience with the surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.36,0:34:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening in the embassy, because I used\Nto visit Julian many, many times, maybe 30
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.68,0:34:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times from the moment he entered the\Nembassy till the last time I saw him is
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.80,0:34:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nearly exactly a year ago. It was around\NChristmas last year. And at that point, I
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.05,0:34:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean, I really could see the eroding\Nconditions that he lived in. I mean, just
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.70,0:34:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see a person that didn't see the\Nsunlight for 7 years or something was
Dialogue: 0,0:34:58.85,0:35:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terrible enough. But then the last year\Nwhen he lived quasi in isolation, had no
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.57,0:35:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access to phone or to internet, nothing,\Nbecause that was the way that he had
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.65,0:35:17.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contact with the world and had no visitors\Nanymore for nearly a year, I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.74,0:35:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we the people that visited him, we\Nwere kind of his door to the world. And it
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.39,0:35:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was for me, very, very, very weird to be\Nsurveilled all the time when I was there.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.40,0:35:38.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I spend five hours at least\Nthere. And after a while, you just feel
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.89,0:35:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very uncomfortable. I was so happy when I\Ncould leave that building, actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.97,0:35:48.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially in the last two years. And then\NI could not imagine staying there like him
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.43,0:35:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having no private moment. I mean, in the\Nend, they even put cameras in the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.98,0:35:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bathrooms and and the toilets and so on. I\Nknow there was this tiny kitchen,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.63,0:36:02.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes we used to hide from the cameras\Nto just have a moment of just talking
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.44,0:36:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without feeling surveilled. And then he\Nhad also this little apparatus, I think
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.06,0:36:14.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andy was talking about it yesterday in his\Ntalk, that was causing white noise. And I
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.98,0:36:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was really annoyed, to be honest, by this\Nlittle thing. And I was always, I was also
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.16,0:36:24.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking about, my God, maybe he is too\Nparanoid, you know. Because the weird
Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.73,0:36:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing is you get used to everything, and\Nsomehow, like us now being surveilled all
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.15,0:36:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time through our phones and laptops\Nand so on, and we get used to it. But he
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.92,0:36:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always insisted, even when we were talking\Nlike banal stuff about, I don't know, a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.03,0:36:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,soccer game or something, the little sound\Nmachine was on causing white noise. And
Dialogue: 0,0:36:45.76,0:36:49.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only it caused disturbance for the\Nsurveillors, it also caused headaches in
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.66,0:36:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my head. And so, yeah, it's actually a\Nvery sad story. And for me, it was to see
Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.34,0:37:01.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the process, when especially after the\Ngovernment, the conservative government
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.43,0:37:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came into power in Ecuador, his status\Nvery much changed. And so he became more
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.03,0:37:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and more something I would describe as a\Nprisoner and not someone who has asylum.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:12.10,0:37:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay. This is on my personal note, how I\Nexperienced it. And the other thing is, on
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.25,0:37:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this picture you see one of the first\Nprotests that we did in Berlin, it was
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.15,0:37:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this year in May. It was a little after he\Nwas dragged out of the embassy. And we
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.63,0:37:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were there with some people, including\NSrećko Horvat, Croatian philosopher. And
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.37,0:37:44.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as you see on the picture also Ai Weiwei,\Nthe Chinese artist and human rights
Dialogue: 0,0:37:44.37,0:37:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advocate, who also openly supported\NAssange always, and also not afraid of
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.10,0:37:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consequences, actually. And he\Nalso visited him in prison. And what is
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.15,0:38:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also an interesting fact, that Ai Weiwei\Nalso made the connection between the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.14,0:38:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protests against the extradition law in\NHong Kong. And he connected with this very
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.64,0:38:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,controversial extradition case of Julian\Nin the UK at the moment. So for me, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.73,0:38:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes something I could never believe\Nin, former times that I will be in a
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.97,0:38:27.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,situation where we in the West, who are\Nthe good ones and the free West, the so-
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.11,0:38:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called free West is somehow actually in\Nthe top 10 of having dissidents in
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.59,0:38:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prisons, including the ones that we just\Nnamed, and that no human rights seem to be
Dialogue: 0,0:38:41.88,0:38:48.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,valuable anymore. And I find this very\Nconcerning, I must say, also on a private
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.17,0:39:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,level. Yes. And I was there, too, as you\Nsee in the photograph. And before I went
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.44,0:39:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the protest I was in Moscow, and I\Nvisited Edward Snowden, because I also
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.46,0:39:11.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worked with him together. He helped me a\Nlot on the place I did. And this was the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.85,0:39:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,third time, actually, that I visited him.\NAnd we also talked about Julian's case,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.67,0:39:23.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he gave me a letter of support that I\Nwas reading out loud on this protest. And
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.27,0:39:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will just read a little bit of it, that\Nyou can see now: "By the government's own
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.94,0:39:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,admission, Assange has been charged for\Nhis role in bringing to light true
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.01,0:39:37.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information. Information that exposed war\Ncrimes and wrongdoing perpetrated by the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.59,0:39:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most powerful military in the history of\Nthe world. It is not just a man who stands
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.75,0:39:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in jeopardy, but the future of the free\Npress." Yes, and I think that he is very
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.94,0:40:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much right in this case, because what does\Nit mean? I mean, for me, I'm also in the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.85,0:40:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meantime, working as a journalist for Der\NFreitag, I published a few of the articles
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.71,0:40:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about him and Snowden, and basically about\Nwhistleblowing and these things. And if he
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.20,0:40:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can - if publishing becomes a crime,\Ntelling the truth becomes a crime. And if
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.66,0:40:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are not able to work with sources, to\Nprotect sources and to actively also try
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.77,0:40:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to obtain material about truth. And\Nbecause we live in a democracy where the
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.01,0:40:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,powers have to be shared and to have a\Nbalance of power, because as we know, when
Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.44,0:40:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power gets into a monopoly, it will always\Nbe abused. And so...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.01,0:40:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}mumbling{\i0}\NI will cut it short. It has bad
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.71,0:41:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,implications for journalists. And if this\Nhappens to Julian, it is a threat not only
Dialogue: 0,0:41:03.40,0:41:09.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to journalism, but to democracy itself.\NAvila: So we will accelerate, because all
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.54,0:41:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the what comes next is very, very\Nimportant. And yes, we saw immediately
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.06,0:41:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after the arrest of Julian the situation\Ngoing really badly in Australia. But what
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.94,0:41:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to discuss, we wanted to discuss\Nwith you tonight, this is about you, about
Dialogue: 0,0:41:28.13,0:41:35.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,someone just like you. You can see, I\Nmean, I guess I can see you there. I can
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.57,0:41:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see you in these pictures and I can see\Nlots of similarities. You belong to the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.02,0:41:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same species, basically. He was a single\Nfather. He was prosecuted at a very, very
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.66,0:41:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,young age. Spent five years of his 20s\Nfighting a legal process. But he was all
Dialogue: 0,0:41:52.83,0:41:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the time with his computer. I cannot, I\Nreally cannot imagine how his life was
Dialogue: 0,0:41:57.82,0:42:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since April, away from his computer. Can\Nyou imagine your life away from your
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.83,0:42:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computer even for one day? Imagine since\NApril, he has been away from his computer
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.30,0:42:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only having one hour a day outside a\Nprison cell. And so while he was raising
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.84,0:42:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up a kid as a single parent, and while he\Nwas dealing with a hacking legal process,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.69,0:42:29.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he also was actively working for our\Ncommunities. He was co-running one of the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.09,0:42:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first public access Internet providers in\NAustralia. He was always involved and
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.32,0:42:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dedicated thousands of hours to the free\Nsoftware movement. His code was even used
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.60,0:42:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Apple and other operating system. So\Nchances are that today, even today, our
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.53,0:42:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,computers, our Apple devices - for the bad\Npeople who uses Apple like me - Ironic
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.03,0:43:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,part of his code. He was also from very\Nearly time trying to find ways for
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.18,0:43:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vulnerable groups such as human rights\Ndefenders, ways to encrypt their devices.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.32,0:43:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so he was very active before\NWikiLeaks. WikiLeaks just was an upgrade,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.19,0:43:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of, on his plans. And I also want\Nto mention that the CCC is mentioned,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:19.96,0:43:27.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expressly mentioned, in that part of the\Nindictment against Julian. So what happens
Dialogue: 0,0:43:27.95,0:43:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here, you know, it matters there. I think\Nthat the sole fact that the community is
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.01,0:43:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentioned on an indictment against a\Njournalist is enough reason to stand up
Dialogue: 0,0:43:42.13,0:43:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and say something about it and organize\Naround it. But it is not only the
Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.93,0:43:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community name on the indictment, and the\Ncriminal complaint is also our
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.57,0:44:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication practices. Raise your hand\Nif you have a Jabber account. So, yes, the
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.64,0:44:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jabber server, the CCC server, is\Nmentioned in the criminal complaint
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.83,0:44:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against Julian.\NColvin: Well, yeah, I mean, but what's
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.81,0:44:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even more worrying is - oh, the microphone\N- What's there is worrying, but what's
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.97,0:44:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even more worrying is that it's a moving\Ntarget. Things are still continuing. This
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.08,0:44:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is part of a submission the US government\Nmade in Chelsea Manning's ongoing
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.18,0:44:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,procedures talk about an ongoing\Ninvestigation. There's more to come. And
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.97,0:44:40.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's even more bad omens. {\i1}microphone noise{\i0} Like that one.\NEven more bad omens from from across the
Dialogue: 0,0:44:40.100,0:44:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water in unrelated cases and will\Nprosecutorial series that are being put
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.80,0:44:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together, which are very disturbing and\Naugur for very bad things to come. I can't
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.16,0:44:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about that now, but it's an excellent\Nissue for the Q and A. What happens next?
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.36,0:45:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, immediately what's going to happen\Nnext is that on the 24th of February, for
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.49,0:45:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three or four weeks, Julian Assange will\Nhave his extradition hearing. To give you
Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.88,0:45:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an indication of the size and scale of\Nthis case, Larry loves extradition
Dialogue: 0,0:45:09.94,0:45:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hearing, which was quite a big deal and\Nquite big. Took two and a half days.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.53,0:45:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian's is going to be three or four\Nweeks. It will take place in Belmarsh
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.94,0:45:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Magistrates Court in a horrible part of\Nsouth east London, near the prison. It
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.79,0:45:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will probably take place in the courthouse\Nnext door. They've got bigger courts, but
Dialogue: 0,0:45:27.18,0:45:34.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will be in that place in London.\NRichter: So what can you do? OK. Do not be
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.78,0:45:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,afraid to speak up, speak with people and\Nso on. And don't be afraid. We still live
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.78,0:45:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a free country. Immunize yourself\Nagainst propaganda, which is really
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.73,0:45:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something that you should be beware. That\Nhappened massively in the case of Julian.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.13,0:45:56.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you know what I mean. And\Nunderstand what is at stake. This is a
Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.11,0:46:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political persecution and it's about\Neveryone. And I want to quote Nils Melzer,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.28,0:46:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the U.N. special rapporteur on torture,\Nwho I met recently and this is a very
Dialogue: 0,0:46:07.64,0:46:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,famous quote of him, that he was\Ncontinuously actually saying to people in
Dialogue: 0,0:46:13.09,0:46:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power. "Assange has been systematically\Nslandered to divert attention, attention
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.37,0:46:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the crimes, crimes he exposed once he\Nhad been dehumanized through isolation,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.37,0:46:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ridicule and shame. Just like the witches\Nwe used to burn at the stake. It was easy
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.53,0:46:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to deprive him of his most fundamental\Nrights and without provoking public
Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.27,0:46:39.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outrage worldwide." And I think this is\Nexactly what happened to him.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.60,0:46:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: And this is a picture of really\Ncourageous journalists from all over the
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.21,0:46:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world who stand up and say, like, stop\Nthis prosecution. And they are a community
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.60,0:46:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian belongs to. But I have seen very\Nfew real statements from this community.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:55.78,0:47:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So our request tonight will be like,\Nplease try to organize and try to do a
Dialogue: 0,0:47:00.94,0:47:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar effort that matters a lot. Now, we\Nwill explain why.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:05.88,0:47:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colvin: It's really important, because no\Nman is an island and the UK is not an
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.90,0:47:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,island. Even after Brexit, right? The UK\Ngovernment does care about its
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.12,0:47:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,international reputation, maybe unlike the\NUS. And the UK government needs to know
Dialogue: 0,0:47:18.37,0:47:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the world is watching. The world is\Nwatching, they are hosting entirely
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.72,0:47:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unnecessarily, the most ridiculous, the\Nmost important press freedom truck case of
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.78,0:47:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a generation, completely unnecessarily.\NThey need to know that we're keeping a
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.80,0:47:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,careful eye on it. Over the past few\Nmonths, we've been putting a lot of effort
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.78,0:47:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into ensuring that the extradition\Nhearing, the trial, if you like, in
Dialogue: 0,0:47:41.75,0:47:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,February is properly monitored. We have 25\Nelected parliamentarians and 12 European
Dialogue: 0,0:47:46.36,0:47:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries who have committed to be being\Npart of those monitoring efforts.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.02,0:47:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Reporters sans Frontières are going to are\Ngoing to monitor. We have a whole group of
Dialogue: 0,0:47:54.92,0:47:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,medics who are going to monitor the\Nextradition proceedings. And I think it
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.72,0:48:02.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be good to have a similar effort\Nfrom this community, too, frankly.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.47,0:48:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: Especially because there are many\Ntechnical issues being discussed. Your
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.96,0:48:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opinion really matters for this trial, you\Nknow. And he can't do it. He cannot do it
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.51,0:48:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from prison. He counts on you to help\Nlawyers, to help the press, to help
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.32,0:48:21.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone understand what is and what\Nisn't online publishing and online
Dialogue: 0,0:48:21.55,0:48:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,journalism. 21st Century journalism is at\Nstake on this case.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.85,0:48:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colvin: And your voice really matters\Nhere. It really does. Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.86,0:48:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: And, you know, he's our friend. And\Nit's not only someone we support, but he's
Dialogue: 0,0:48:36.68,0:48:42.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our friend. And he likes to have the final\Nword, always. So we can now bring,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:42.15,0:48:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bringing him back from the - eleven years\Nago from a Congress like this one, to have
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.31,0:48:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the final word.\N{\i1}video sound fails{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.35,0:49:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Voice from the off: Oh, oh, oh. Hey, CIA?\NYeah. No, it's only a glitch. He's going
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.81,0:49:23.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be frustrated, really angry. {\i1}laughs{\i0}\NRichter: Try again?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.02,0:49:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: Is it ok?\NRichter: Should we try?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:28.94,0:49:33.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: If not, we can... In the meantime,\Nwe can read it out, we can read it out,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:33.100,0:49:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so...\NColvin: "Justice doesn't just happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.25,0:49:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Justice is forced by people coming\Ntogether and exercising strength, unity
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.28,0:49:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and intelligence." That's Julian at 25C3.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:52.52,0:50:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.88,0:50:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: Shall we try?\NRichter: Should we try?
Dialogue: 0,0:50:12.22,0:50:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: Let's try one last time. No. Oh, my\NGod, silence.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:18.32,0:50:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colvin: He'll be annoyed by that. He would\Nbe very annoyed. He's going to be really
Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.84,0:50:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,angry about that. All right.\NAvila: Please do not tell him.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:25.48,0:50:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colvin: Yeah. Yeah, don't tell him. If you\Ndon't tell him, he won't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.48,0:50:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: Yeah. So we are ready for some\Nquestions. I think that we have very
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.48,0:50:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,little time, but if we don't have enough\Ntime, we will be hanging out that the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.77,0:50:41.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teahouse and you can come to us and ask\Nquestions and how to help.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.99,0:50:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:45.06,0:50:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.82,0:51:00.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was very insightful, moving and\Nincredibly important. So I remind everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:51:00.73,0:51:07.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have six microphones. If you have\Nquestions, line up behind them. And also
Dialogue: 0,0:51:07.33,0:51:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our wonderful signal angels are going to\Ntake some questions from the internet, one
Dialogue: 0,0:51:12.86,0:51:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of which we're going to answer right now.\NSignal Angel: Ok, there was the question
Dialogue: 0,0:51:20.17,0:51:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that: Which reasons could there be to\Nexplain the lack of fair and well balanced
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.22,0:51:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media reports in the Assange case?\NColvin: What are the reasons for the lack
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.57,0:51:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of support of media coverage? OK.\NAvila: You want to answer that?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:43.72,0:51:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Richter: You start and I will also help.\N{\i1}Mumbling{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.63,0:51:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: Very quickly I will say that,\Ngoing back to this slide on who he
Dialogue: 0,0:51:53.77,0:51:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposed: the most powerful people. If\Nyou have the most powerful people, like,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:58.60,0:52:06.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the world, private sector, public\Nsector, even hidden sector against you and
Dialogue: 0,0:52:06.21,0:52:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with unlimited resources to take you down,\Nit's quite easy to kill positive stories. It
Dialogue: 0,0:52:13.79,0:52:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really hard in times that journalism is\Non the resource and that the courageous
Dialogue: 0,0:52:18.66,0:52:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,journalists are not, like, really\Nrewarded. It is really difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.79,0:52:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to navigate that ecosystem.\NRichter: Yes. And I want to add that also
Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.62,0:52:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is a reason. I think if journalism\Ntoday would be - do a proper job of
Dialogue: 0,0:52:34.37,0:52:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,investigating and exposing the powerful,\Nthat it would not be necessary that
Dialogue: 0,0:52:39.67,0:52:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WikiLeaks even exists. I think if they\Nwould do their job as the fourth, so-
Dialogue: 0,0:52:45.80,0:52:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called fourth estate in democracy, then\Nsomething like WikiLeaks wouldn't even be
Dialogue: 0,0:52:52.57,0:52:58.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there. And I think that might be a reason\Nthat I think that the - he not only
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.52,0:53:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exposed the powerful, but he also a\Nlittle bit exposed, of course, his
Dialogue: 0,0:53:01.86,0:53:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,colleagues at the so-called established\Npress. And I think that every
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.90,0:53:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reason that he gave, and there were some\Nbecause he's not perfect, Julian Assange
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.27,0:53:16.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is only human, and he did make mistakes\Nlike everybody of us. And I could say, OK,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:16.76,0:53:22.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take the first stone and throw it. But I\Nthink that, of course, bad news is always
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.12,0:53:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good news. And let's say many people who\Nknew him said, let's say, negative things
Dialogue: 0,0:53:27.91,0:53:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the press picked up. But, like, when\NI would say to press - or I also know
Dialogue: 0,0:53:32.64,0:53:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,him, I think he's a decent guy. Nobody\Nwants to report that because it's boring
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.58,0:53:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not interesting. So, yeah. There are\Nmany reasons for that, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.86,0:53:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Colvin: I'm going to add that, I mean, the\Nfact that there are 10 years of history
Dialogue: 0,0:53:42.41,0:53:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here definitely makes a difference. But\Nlook, I speak to a lot of journalists and
Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.13,0:53:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I speak to a lot of journalists about this\Ncase in the UK and particularly as it's
Dialogue: 0,0:53:52.28,0:53:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,become more obvious that Julian is not\Ndoing very well, that he's very unwell. I
Dialogue: 0,0:53:57.94,0:54:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think people are shocked. And I can you\Nknow. People are frightened about it. They
Dialogue: 0,0:54:02.40,0:54:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might not be talking about it very much at\Nthe moment, but they will. It is what is
Dialogue: 0,0:54:06.52,0:54:09.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing around for sure.\NRichter: Yes. And then, speaking of being
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.100,0:54:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frightened, also, don't underestimate that\Npeople might be afraid.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:13.50,0:54:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: And also, I know that there are\Nmany journalists here tonight. This is
Dialogue: 0,0:54:18.39,0:54:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your opportunity to change the narrative\Nbecause you are next if you stay silent.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:23.26,0:54:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you. We're going to take the\Nnext question from a man who's wearing a
Dialogue: 0,0:54:29.75,0:54:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian Assange mask. Gathering worth the\Neffort and microphone 2 please.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:35.70,0:54:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,M2: Oh, hi. I want to thank you so\Nmuch for your talk. When we are all facing
Dialogue: 0,0:54:42.44,0:54:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this situation of asking ourselves what we\Ncan do, we should take inspiration from
Dialogue: 0,0:54:47.99,0:54:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you just said and what you just did.\NIt is not just about Julian. It is about
Dialogue: 0,0:54:54.08,0:54:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every one of us here.\NHerald: This is wonderful, but that is not
Dialogue: 0,0:54:57.84,0:54:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a question.\NM2: No, but I'm getting there.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.84,0:55:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Can you get there faster?\NM2: It's about historical perspective on
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.53,0:55:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these aspects about war, about power,\Nabout what we can do, about what the
Dialogue: 0,0:55:10.24,0:55:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet is about to question power. It is\Nabout also maybe admitting -
Dialogue: 0,0:55:15.88,0:55:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Maybe much faster?\NM2: much faster. It is not perfect. You may
Dialogue: 0,0:55:21.04,0:55:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have said stupid things on Twitter like we\Nall did. And like anyone would do after
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.93,0:55:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seven years in detention.\NYet he's one of us. So when asking
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.88,0:55:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ourselves what to do. It's a modest\Ncontribution from the internet. There is a
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.87,0:55:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wiki that is online for a few days now on\Nthese stickers that you
Dialogue: 0,0:55:39.29,0:55:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: okay. We're going to take an\Nactual question. I am really sorry, but.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:47.30,0:55:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microphone 1, please. {\i1}applause{\i0}\NRichter: Okay, still thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:52.08,0:55:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,M1: I thank you for the inspiring talk, so\NI am a Pakistani journalist I now live in
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.69,0:56:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exile in Berlin. But what the story of\NAssange and what we just saw this. You
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.60,0:56:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, everything that happened and the\Nperpetrators that even put the
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.36,0:56:15.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authoritarian regimes and their leaders in\Nshame, especially how the system of asylum
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.03,0:56:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been breached. That also scares me. I\Nhave actually called because I'm scared.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:19.73,0:56:23.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But my question is, could you as\Njournalists maybe shed some light on the
Dialogue: 0,0:56:23.51,0:56:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the chilling effect for journalists? I\Nmean, I can only imagine that there might
Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.43,0:56:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be more leaks in line that would have\Nhappened, but maybe has not happened
Dialogue: 0,0:56:31.76,0:56:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the journalists are also now self\Ncensoring. So what would you advise to
Dialogue: 0,0:56:36.91,0:56:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such journalists? Thank you.\NRichter: Well, that is is really exactly a
Dialogue: 0,0:56:43.34,0:56:48.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very tough question. And this is exactly\None of the dangers that we are pointing to
Dialogue: 0,0:56:48.29,0:56:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, that people might just not\Nexpose it. And like I said, people are
Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.44,0:56:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,starting to get afraid. What can we say to\Nthem? Well, ...
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.82,0:57:00.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Avila: I have something
Dialogue: 0,0:57:00.65,0:57:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that Julian has something to\Nsay, this is endless with justice, with as
Dialogue: 0,0:57:04.57,0:57:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a community, with strength, unity and\Nindulgence. I mean, look at the talent in
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.38,0:57:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this room. Look, it's not necessarily just\Nthe brilliance of one whistleblower or one
Dialogue: 0,0:57:17.95,0:57:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person. It's the ecosystem that we need to\Ncreate to create resilient media. And we
Dialogue: 0,0:57:23.98,0:57:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need a resilient media for democracy to\Nwork. And if it cannot happen, even here
Dialogue: 0,0:57:29.63,0:57:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Germany, with all the resources and\Nwith all the brilliant minds, where is it
Dialogue: 0,0:57:33.69,0:57:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to happen? So I think that we cannot\Nstop innovating and we need to push for
Dialogue: 0,0:57:39.25,0:57:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the next wave of innovations for the\Njournalism that we've served these needs
Dialogue: 0,0:57:48.20,0:57:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our times. And that's why this case\Nmatters a lot, because it's punishing
Dialogue: 0,0:57:52.74,0:57:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these innovations that these two\Nredistributed power among people. Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:57.38,0:58:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There also needs to be a recognition. A\Nbit of solidarity is necessary here,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:01.07,0:58:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this isn't just about Julian. As\NRenata mentioned briefly, things in
Dialogue: 0,0:58:06.36,0:58:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Australia have gone to pop since Julian\Nwas arrested. And more than that, one of
Dialogue: 0,0:58:10.41,0:58:14.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the slides I flicked over was the\Nindictment of a drone with alleged drone
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.97,0:58:19.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whistleblower, Daniel Hale. In Daniel Hale\Nthe count - one of Daniel Hale's
Dialogue: 0,0:58:19.57,0:58:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indictment accuses him of unlawfully\Nreleasing information. About unlawfully
Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.31,0:58:29.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,releasing information to a journalist who\Nhe knew would have used it unlawfully. So
Dialogue: 0,0:58:29.45,0:58:34.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is like the second time in a US\Nindictment we have an accusation of a
Dialogue: 0,0:58:34.22,0:58:39.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,publisher, a journalist acting unlawfully\Nby publishing true information in the
Dialogue: 0,0:58:39.59,0:58:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,public interest. We need to be aware and\Nwe need to raise the alarm, because this
Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.20,0:58:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't just about Julian. The threat is\Nvery real and it's very broad.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.17,0:59:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you. We have time for one\Nlast question and we're going to ask our
Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.26,0:59:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,signal angels again.\NSignal Angel: So there was the question
Dialogue: 0,0:59:04.99,0:59:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can we help and support Manning,\NAssange and Snowden?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.33,0:59:18.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Richter: Well, like we just said also, I think\Nit's very important to show solidarity in
Dialogue: 0,0:59:18.97,0:59:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different ways by raising your voice.\NWell, even supporting with donation, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:59:26.89,0:59:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,always good. It's good for Manning. It's\Ngood for everyone. I think Courage
Dialogue: 0,0:59:30.89,0:59:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Foundation is someone who's supporting\Neveryone, including Jeremy Hammond and
Dialogue: 0,0:59:36.42,0:59:41.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chelsea Manning, who are not so much in\Nthe focus maybe like Julian, but also for
Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.45,0:59:46.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julian. I think that his trial will cost -\N- my God - hundreds of thousands of
Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.74,0:59:53.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pounds. Let's hope that the pound\Ngoes down after Brexit. But, OK. No. I
Dialogue: 0,0:59:53.83,0:59:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mean, and I think speaking up and like\NRenata also said, to have the feeling that
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.09,1:00:03.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are many and I think exactly this thing\Nthat he said. People coming together and
Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.65,1:00:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sharing and kind of be brave like "Courage\Nis contagious." is one of my favorite quotes
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.93,1:00:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of him. And so I think I take a stand.\NHave an attitude and do as much as you can
Dialogue: 0,1:00:19.06,1:00:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in your possibilities, which which are\Nnot so little, I think. And I think it is
Dialogue: 0,1:00:24.50,1:00:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the good of everyone, not only the\Nnames, people who are in danger now, but
Dialogue: 0,1:00:28.79,1:00:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all of our freedom. Colvin: Resist\Npractically. There's a lot to do and
Dialogue: 0,1:00:36.09,1:00:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a lot of work to go round or as\Nwe've mentioned in the talk, organizing in
Dialogue: 0,1:00:41.58,1:00:45.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the communities you're part of. His work\Nis very important here in Germany. To take
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Dialogue: 0,1:00:49.30,1:00:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,journalists' union. We've also had\Ncollections of lawyers. All of this is
Dialogue: 0,1:00:53.41,1:00:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really important. And it makes a\Ndifference to the work that's being done
Dialogue: 0,1:00:55.57,1:01:00.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the U.K. There are lots of different\Norganizations and groups doing work on
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Dialogue: 0,1:01:05.23,1:01:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you think is doing is doing good work.\NEither work that you think will make a
Dialogue: 0,1:01:08.29,1:01:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,difference or that accords with your own\Nideological perspective and support them.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:13.53,1:01:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of people doing good work\Nhere. I know one of the saving graces of
Dialogue: 0,1:01:20.76,1:01:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what has been quite a depressing year is\Nmeeting so many people who were doing
Dialogue: 0,1:01:24.87,1:01:29.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important work on this most dire of\Nissues. Avila: And we have a lot of faith on you
Dialogue: 0,1:01:29.87,1:01:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a community, to be honest. We count on\Nyou and this community do not leave behind
Dialogue: 0,1:01:35.73,1:01:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people belonging here. And I think that if\Nwe can see - I think that Julian will be
Dialogue: 0,1:01:41.94,1:01:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like incredibly thrilled and Chelsea will\Nbe like super happy to know that there's
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.64,1:01:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organized efforts to follow this case\Nclosely and to have delegations present
Dialogue: 0,1:01:52.48,1:01:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the hearings. And if they know that\Nyou are there, even symbolically there,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:58.22,1:02:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will feel so much better because more\Nand more to any community, Snowden,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:04.48,1:02:10.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chelsea, Julian really love this. Love,\Nadmire and count on this community. So
Dialogue: 0,1:02:10.53,1:02:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please be there, and find us later, we\Nwill explain the more detailed ways to
Dialogue: 0,1:02:15.05,1:02:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,help. And thank you so much for attending\Nthis talk. Like, really, it means a lot.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:19.84,1:02:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means a lot to have a full room. And I\Nknow that there's many people watching as
Dialogue: 0,1:02:23.81,1:02:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well and will watch this again. Please\Ncontinue following this case. We will
Dialogue: 0,1:02:30.30,1:02:34.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prepare all the information that you need.\NBut what you - we need you to activate
Dialogue: 0,1:02:34.100,1:02:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it and to translate it into action. Thank\Nyou so much. Thank you. Thank you.
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Dialogue: 0,1:02:40.12,1:02:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Thank you for this.
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