WEBVTT 00:00:10.210 --> 00:00:13.970 Angel: Now I am very happy to have you all here 00:00:13.970 --> 00:00:18.580 for the next talk on a really important topic. 00:00:18.580 --> 00:00:21.150 And we all called last year for 00:00:21.150 --> 00:00:24.820 more creative campaigns on all our issues, 00:00:24.820 --> 00:00:27.049 that we talk about here at congress. 00:00:27.049 --> 00:00:29.939 And so the Peng! Collective thought about a 00:00:29.939 --> 00:00:32.110 really creative campaign that also got 00:00:32.110 --> 00:00:34.940 a lot of attention in the last year. 00:00:34.940 --> 00:00:37.280 And because they call for all 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.329 the intelligence officers to really exit 00:00:40.329 --> 00:00:43.870 their careers and to find some other 00:00:43.870 --> 00:00:48.710 more valuable service to our society, 00:00:48.710 --> 00:00:50.580 I'm very honoured to introduce 00:00:50.580 --> 00:00:53.070 Gloria Spindle to you, 00:00:53.070 --> 00:00:57.219 who is a former Google nest employee, 00:00:57.219 --> 00:01:01.740 —You might remember that great campaign— 00:01:01.740 --> 00:01:05.690 and will now present the "Intelexit" to you. 00:01:05.690 --> 00:01:07.140 Thank you! Your Applause! 00:01:07.140 --> 00:01:09.060 applause 00:01:09.060 --> 00:01:23.270 silence on the audio stream 00:01:23.270 --> 00:01:25.900 Gloria: Hello! 00:01:25.900 --> 00:01:28.770 And hello to all the live streaming people out there as well. 00:01:28.770 --> 00:01:31.959 Blubb blubb we can see you! 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:35.030 I hear they're a lot, maybe more than what's in this room. 00:01:35.049 --> 00:01:36.600 All the lights are dimming. 00:01:36.600 --> 00:01:39.909 Okay, so! I don't know if anyone else 00:01:39.909 --> 00:01:42.219 is as interested in the parts 00:01:42.219 --> 00:01:44.299 of the Snowdon documents as I am, 00:01:44.299 --> 00:01:48.689 which are the kind of little cultural titbits that you find that give you a sense of 00:01:48.689 --> 00:01:52.740 what it's like to be within the Secret Service. 00:01:52.740 --> 00:01:57.930 I'm really kind of fascinated by this particular gentleman. 00:01:57.930 --> 00:02:01.700 The SIGINT Philosopher, who was a columnist 00:02:01.700 --> 00:02:04.979 for the NSA on the internal news letter 00:02:04.979 --> 00:02:07.140 and he is really quite creative 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:09.480 and he writes a lot of pieces 00:02:09.480 --> 00:02:12.450 about the ethical quandaries of working in the Secret Services. 00:02:12.450 --> 00:02:14.170 And most of them end with just like: 00:02:14.170 --> 00:02:16.350 "You should just like keep your head down and you should just keep doing 00:02:16.350 --> 00:02:17.830 what you're supposed to be doing, 00:02:17.830 --> 00:02:22.300 'cause that's the best way to go ahead and protect your county." 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:25.690 So this quote is really the kind of crux 00:02:25.690 --> 00:02:31.190 of what the “Intelexit” Initiative is founded on. 00:02:31.190 --> 00:02:33.580 We recognise that people who are working 00:02:33.580 --> 00:02:35.980 in the Secret Services, and I'm sure 00:02:35.980 --> 00:02:38.970 some of you in the audience tonight 00:02:38.970 --> 00:02:44.350 are working in the Secret Services 00:02:44.350 --> 00:02:50.030 — pretty certain there are some disgruntled, maybe unhappy, 00:02:50.030 --> 00:02:54.080 maybe ethically confused people working in spy agencies, 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:56.470 maybe you're just a contractor 00:02:56.470 --> 00:02:59.770 and you feel like: Oh I'm not so involved, 00:02:59.770 --> 00:03:04.940 but I still feel like I have blood on my hands. 00:03:04.940 --> 00:03:08.020 And those are the people that “Intelexit” is talking to. 00:03:08.020 --> 00:03:09.440 very mild applause 00:03:09.440 --> 00:03:12.580 That was like have a clap. I mean come on, people! 00:03:12.580 --> 00:03:14.290 applause 00:03:14.290 --> 00:03:16.290 Thank you! Thank you! Jesus! 00:03:16.290 --> 00:03:19.200 Don't be afraid of clapping! 00:03:19.200 --> 00:03:23.090 So those are the people that “Intelexit” is really talking to. 00:03:23.090 --> 00:03:25.230 And we wanted to reach out to those people, 00:03:25.230 --> 00:03:28.590 because there hasn't been a campaign yet that has actually recognised, 00:03:28.590 --> 00:03:30.450 that they are humans working, 00:03:30.450 --> 00:03:32.380 thousands and thousands of people 00:03:32.380 --> 00:03:36.650 going every day to their surveillance jobs, operating drones 00:03:36.650 --> 00:03:38.800 and even the people who are just 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.790 answering emails or you know pushing paper, 00:03:41.790 --> 00:03:44.410 running the photocopy machine, if they even have those. 00:03:44.410 --> 00:03:46.120 — Who knows what they have in there — 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:48.320 Those People, they are people who obviously 00:03:48.320 --> 00:03:52.120 have ethical issues about working 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:54.510 in these systems 00:03:54.510 --> 00:03:57.640 and feel responsible for mass surveillance, 00:03:57.640 --> 00:04:01.250 drone warfare and the slow, maybe fast, 00:04:01.250 --> 00:04:05.370 degradation of democracy as we know it. 00:04:05.370 --> 00:04:11.240 So, introducing “Intelexit”! 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:16.690 applause 00:04:16.690 --> 00:04:18.810 So what Intelexit does is 00:04:18.810 --> 00:04:22.029 it's an initiative, a civil initiative 00:04:22.029 --> 00:04:24.870 grounded in the idea that we need to find a way 00:04:24.870 --> 00:04:27.180 to support people who want to leave 00:04:27.180 --> 00:04:28.750 their jobs at the Secret Services 00:04:28.750 --> 00:04:32.449 and we need to normalise the idea of quitting. 00:04:32.449 --> 00:04:35.420 applause 00:04:35.420 --> 00:04:39.949 Because actually it's a very just and 00:04:39.949 --> 00:04:41.729 sometimes honourable thing to do, 00:04:41.729 --> 00:04:43.370 just to follow your ethics and 00:04:43.370 --> 00:04:44.366 give up your job, 00:04:44.366 --> 00:04:49.079 if you don't feel like you're contributing to society in a good way. 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:50.539 applause 00:04:50.539 --> 00:04:55.610 So that’s why Intelexit pitch. 00:04:55.610 --> 00:04:57.050 Some of you might know: 00:04:57.050 --> 00:04:59.300 I'm from Peng! as it was introduced earlier 00:04:59.300 --> 00:05:02.949 and we are known for our hoaxes 00:05:02.949 --> 00:05:06.319 and our media hacks and our culture jamming. 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.580 So intelexit is been a really, really interesting campaign for us 00:05:09.580 --> 00:05:12.770 and I’ll explain it as I go. 00:05:12.770 --> 00:05:15.240 Because of course you see it's a bit of 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:16.830 performance and it's a bit of humour 00:05:16.830 --> 00:05:19.960 but it's also very serious at the same time. 00:05:19.960 --> 00:05:22.800 So, just to introduce Peng! to you, 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.539 for those who don't know. 00:05:24.539 --> 00:05:28.759 Here we were... this was at re:publica 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:32.669 impersonating Google managers and 00:05:32.669 --> 00:05:34.590 presenting some really creepy, 00:05:34.590 --> 00:05:36.199 data collecting products. 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.399 A personal drone for daily life, 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.839 an app that monitors your well-being, emotional well being, 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.879 and matches you with other people who also need a hug 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:47.889 and creepy thing about that is most 00:05:47.889 --> 00:05:50.800 of this distopian visions have now actually 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:52.699 come to light and are existing 00:05:52.699 --> 00:05:54.530 in the real world today. 00:05:54.530 --> 00:05:57.959 Actually people do use drones to follow their children to school. 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.259 That's a real thing. 00:06:00.259 --> 00:06:04.559 So and here we are impersonating the leading party of Germany 00:06:04.559 --> 00:06:08.470 and here we are in live television, cracking an egg over the head of a presenter 00:06:08.470 --> 00:06:10.830 of a very dodgy television program 00:06:10.830 --> 00:06:15.949 and this was our program to self.... 00:06:15.949 --> 00:06:20.579 provide self help for trolls, sexist trolls on twitter 00:06:20.579 --> 00:06:22.279 and that was our self help coach. 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:24.860 We had a bot army which was analyse... 00:06:24.860 --> 00:06:27.240 we had a language analysis happening on twitter 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.590 and then we had an army of 160 bots 00:06:29.590 --> 00:06:31.650 which were going out and enrolling trolls 00:06:31.650 --> 00:06:34.469 on twitter into our self help program 00:06:34.469 --> 00:06:37.310 and sending them nice inspirational videos 00:06:37.310 --> 00:06:39.649 every day to help cure them. 00:06:39.649 --> 00:06:45.189 applause 00:06:45.189 --> 00:06:46.749 So as you can see we have a... 00:06:46.749 --> 00:06:50.039 we utilise a range of tactics and techniques 00:06:50.039 --> 00:06:52.479 in what we call campaigning. 00:06:52.479 --> 00:06:55.740 Some people call it art, some people call it theatre, 00:06:55.740 --> 00:06:59.190 some people call it a joke, some call it entertainment, 00:06:59.190 --> 00:07:02.420 but we see it as campaigning and what we are constantly trying to do 00:07:02.420 --> 00:07:04.350 is to shift the narrative. We look at... 00:07:04.350 --> 00:07:07.370 shift the narrative around various social justice issues. 00:07:07.370 --> 00:07:09.479 We look at issues we think that really need 00:07:09.479 --> 00:07:11.860 a kind of different spin happening in the media 00:07:11.860 --> 00:07:15.809 and we take them and find a way to reframe them and then we push them out 00:07:15.809 --> 00:07:18.620 and hope that we get a lot of attention. 00:07:18.620 --> 00:07:21.840 So we started looking at the issue of 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:25.419 surveillance and the Secret Services. 00:07:25.419 --> 00:07:30.120 And, well, quickly one runs into the obstacle 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.590 of how do you talk about this. 00:07:32.590 --> 00:07:36.320 Like we have this clichés of, you know, 00:07:36.320 --> 00:07:41.370 the eye and, you know, Edward Snowden’s face 00:07:41.370 --> 00:07:43.669 and we have these visuals that kind of 00:07:43.669 --> 00:07:45.479 don't really mean anything anymore 00:07:45.479 --> 00:07:48.020 and everyone really struggles to actually understand 00:07:48.020 --> 00:07:50.210 what the issue means and how do we talk about 00:07:50.210 --> 00:07:56.900 the Secret Services, when they're completely inaccessible to us? 00:07:56.900 --> 00:08:02.259 So this a photo, for example, of the regulations 00:08:02.259 --> 00:08:05.599 for taking photographs at Fort Meade. 00:08:05.599 --> 00:08:09.009 You see, you’re not really allowed to take photographs of the buildings. 00:08:09.009 --> 00:08:10.949 So if you start with that as a kind of metaphor 00:08:10.949 --> 00:08:14.879 for the inaccessibility of the Secret Services 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.259 to our general culture. 00:08:17.259 --> 00:08:19.249 We don't even have visuals for them. 00:08:19.249 --> 00:08:22.020 We've got like one photo of the NSA that floats around the internet 00:08:22.020 --> 00:08:25.509 and just gets repurposed and repurposed. 00:08:25.509 --> 00:08:27.119 We can't access these people, 00:08:27.119 --> 00:08:29.979 we can't access their structures, we can't access their information. 00:08:29.979 --> 00:08:34.459 Yes we have leaks now, but how do we actually open it up more? 00:08:34.459 --> 00:08:37.729 And that was the question, we kept asking ourselves. 00:08:37.729 --> 00:08:41.669 You've got this issue of intangibility 00:08:41.669 --> 00:08:43.400 and then you also got the issue that 00:08:43.400 --> 00:08:44.640 everything is so secret. 00:08:44.640 --> 00:08:49.320 I mean even if a Christmas card is sent internally in the NSA, 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.690 it's classified as top secret. 00:08:52.690 --> 00:08:55.150 Then you've got technology which is so complicated 00:08:55.150 --> 00:08:57.270 the general public can't understand it 00:08:57.270 --> 00:09:00.650 and it's like all these acronyms and these 00:09:00.650 --> 00:09:02.760 weird flow charts and bad design 00:09:02.760 --> 00:09:05.330 and it's just really complicated. 00:09:05.330 --> 00:09:08.640 And then of course there is fear. 00:09:08.640 --> 00:09:10.940 And Fear is really crippling for activists 00:09:10.940 --> 00:09:13.850 like ourselves, for civil society. It is really difficult. 00:09:13.850 --> 00:09:15.660 We don't want to broach this issue. 00:09:15.660 --> 00:09:17.130 We don't want to step into it, 00:09:17.130 --> 00:09:19.550 because it's scary, because once you step into it, 00:09:19.550 --> 00:09:23.440 it means that you are a target, of course. 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.270 And also, funny enough, fear is also the way 00:09:26.270 --> 00:09:27.710 the narrative is often shaped. 00:09:27.710 --> 00:09:30.060 This is what we use, to try and raise awareness 00:09:30.060 --> 00:09:32.270 about surveillance. We make people afraid. 00:09:32.270 --> 00:09:34.670 We, you know, we talk about this invincible, 00:09:34.670 --> 00:09:39.480 dark danger of surveillance creeping in on us. 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.660 No one knows, if they’re being watched or not. 00:09:42.660 --> 00:09:47.450 And this, we think, is a narrative that really needs to be shifted. 00:09:47.450 --> 00:09:51.590 So we wanted to find a way to bring hope, 00:09:51.590 --> 00:09:56.060 to bring a positive image to this narrative 00:09:56.060 --> 00:09:58.520 and also to bring it down to humans 00:09:58.520 --> 00:10:01.340 like not to talk about technology, 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:03.640 not to talk about these dark and complex systems 00:10:03.640 --> 00:10:05.290 but to talk about the people 00:10:05.290 --> 00:10:09.350 and talk to the people who are upholding these structures. 00:10:09.350 --> 00:10:11.940 So this is what we came up with: 00:10:11.940 --> 00:10:16.770 off-voice from video: Right now, thousands of people work 00:10:16.770 --> 00:10:19.740 in the shadows of the intelligence community. 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:23.220 They don't ask questions. 00:10:23.220 --> 00:10:24.860 They follow orders. 00:10:24.860 --> 00:10:27.000 Keep their heads down, 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:28.290 do their work. 00:10:28.290 --> 00:10:32.080 But what happens, when you see something you can't forget? 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.540 And you realise that the system you are 00:10:35.540 --> 00:10:38.030 part of is chipping away our democracy 00:10:38.030 --> 00:10:40.230 every hour, every day. 00:10:41.290 --> 00:10:44.240 You feel stuck, overwhelmed. 00:10:44.290 --> 00:10:49.110 Some people have already made the decision to leave. 00:10:49.690 --> 00:10:53.750 Others are thinking about it every day. 00:10:53.750 --> 00:10:58.210 Intelexit helps people break free from the intelligence community 00:10:58.210 --> 00:11:01.960 and build a new life. 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.420 You expose yourself within the system, 00:11:05.420 --> 00:11:08.820 you ultimately end up being forced out of the system. 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.700 I remember confronting my immediate supervisor 00:11:12.700 --> 00:11:14.960 the number 3 person: What are we doing? 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.720 We are violating the constitution! 00:11:22.660 --> 00:11:27.350 – Many Secret Service employees are disillusioned. 00:11:27.350 --> 00:11:29.910 – Why are we taking equipment 00:11:29.910 --> 00:11:34.190 —it is traditionally for foreign facing, outward facing— 00:11:34.190 --> 00:11:36.760 and we're now instrumenting our networks 00:11:36.760 --> 00:11:38.630 within the United States of America? 00:11:38.630 --> 00:11:42.160 - If you're surveilling the population, you're all on the same side. 00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:47.450 Right? You want all the data and you want to talk to people who have the most data. 00:11:47.450 --> 00:11:52.910 So the NSA is a nexus of surveillance for the world. 00:11:52.910 --> 00:11:55.560 – It's what ever you can get away with. 00:11:55.560 --> 00:11:57.540 That was part of the "game". 00:11:57.540 --> 00:12:01.950 And whatever would serve as the interest of "national security". 00:12:01.950 --> 00:12:06.330 – When one is forced to act against one's moral values, they can experience 00:12:06.330 --> 00:12:09.750 extreme levels of what we call cognitive dissonance. 00:12:19.900 --> 00:12:25.480 – I was radioactive because I'm questioning what are we doing. 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.440 Where do you then go? Where does your life then … 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:33.080 Where do you recreate your life? 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.240 – What Intelexit does is help individuals 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.910 transition from the world on the inside 00:12:38.910 --> 00:12:40.350 to the world on the outside. 00:12:43.680 --> 00:12:47.260 – The more you can move from the inside to the outside, 00:12:47.260 --> 00:12:50.110 the better you'll integrate into the real world. 00:12:50.110 --> 00:12:54.550 – What is really great about Intelexit is that it helps people to confront their fears. 00:12:54.550 --> 00:12:55.780 – So take it from me: 00:12:55.780 --> 00:12:58.240 If you're looking to get out, try Intelexit! 00:12:59.430 --> 00:13:03.260 – Be smart. Exit intelligence now. 00:13:03.270 --> 00:13:11.080 roaring applause 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:14.140 I was really impressed with Bruce Schneier there. 00:13:14.140 --> 00:13:17.590 Bruce Schneier is just amazing without end. 00:13:17.590 --> 00:13:19.870 I mean, who knew he had those talents? 00:13:19.870 --> 00:13:21.630 Someone take him to acting school. 00:13:21.630 --> 00:13:24.000 Like, it's amazing! 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.240 Okay, so then we made the video, 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:30.450 but of course we knew, we know that the people that we are talking to 00:13:30.450 --> 00:13:33.880 the spies, are some of the most introverted people in the world. 00:13:33.880 --> 00:13:35.920 And probably some of them the people 00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:38.140 most stuck in a filter bubble in the world. 00:13:38.140 --> 00:13:41.190 So we knew we had to kind of take our preach further 00:13:41.190 --> 00:13:44.290 and we had to go to where they are. 00:13:44.290 --> 00:13:48.590 So you know we thought big and we pretended 00:13:48.590 --> 00:13:51.780 we just forgot about that we didn't really have a budget. 00:13:51.780 --> 00:13:55.060 And so we just hired a van. Because that's what you do. 00:13:55.060 --> 00:13:58.480 So we just hired this van and drove around 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.660 Fort Meade and the NSA buildings, 00:14:01.660 --> 00:14:06.320 tried as much as we could to get as close as possible to them as we could. 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:12.640 applause 00:14:12.640 --> 00:14:15.190 So this is outside Lockheed Martin 00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:17.730 on a national business parkway. 00:14:17.730 --> 00:14:20.950 The main area of all the NSA contractors 00:14:20.950 --> 00:14:25.260 and they are really best friend with the NSA and now they started making drones as well. 00:14:25.260 --> 00:14:29.820 They’ve been supplying technology to the military and the CIA and NSA forever. 00:14:29.820 --> 00:14:33.780 So that’s us parked outside there, giving them a strong moral punch 00:14:33.780 --> 00:14:36.890 with the slogan. 00:14:36.890 --> 00:14:40.600 And then we went to one of the most popular 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:44.440 cafes where NSA officers and contractors like to go for lunch. 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:46.740 This Café JOE. And we parked out there 00:14:46.740 --> 00:14:49.580 during lunch time as well. 00:14:49.580 --> 00:14:52.920 applause 00:14:52.920 --> 00:14:55.570 And then of course, because you can't talk 00:14:55.570 --> 00:14:58.620 about the Secret Services in one country without talking about the other ones, 00:14:58.620 --> 00:14:59.880 'cause they are all in bed with each other, 00:14:59.880 --> 00:15:01.570 we of course had to go to the UK as well. 00:15:01.570 --> 00:15:09.100 So here we are outside the "Donut" and this is us trying … 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:12.330 okay, to be honest laughing 00:15:12.330 --> 00:15:15.360 that's trying to hand out flyer, brochures to the people. 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:16.510 Like that was our plan. 00:15:16.510 --> 00:15:19.290 We were gonna hand them out to the employees on their way to work. 00:15:19.290 --> 00:15:21.990 And they were just like imitates engine roar they had, like, been briefed.. 00:15:21.990 --> 00:15:24.330 or I don't know. They were just ignoring us. 00:15:24.330 --> 00:15:27.000 And also maybe we didn't brief that guy 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:33.010 very well on what to dress as an Intelexit ambassador. 00:15:33.010 --> 00:15:38.500 And then we hit all the … laughter in the audience 00:15:38.500 --> 00:15:44.190 applause 00:15:44.190 --> 00:15:46.800 This is outside the Dagger Complex in Germany. 00:15:46.800 --> 00:15:49.580 One of the lesser known spots for the NSA 00:15:49.580 --> 00:15:51.490 where they kind of have a central hub 00:15:51.490 --> 00:15:54.430 for the signal's intelligence gathering in Europe, 00:15:54.430 --> 00:15:56.490 it's been written about in the Spiegel. 00:15:56.490 --> 00:16:00.730 Very secret, very difficult to get there as well. 00:16:00.730 --> 00:16:02.530 And there we are, again, from the other side. 00:16:02.530 --> 00:16:07.480 And that is the antenna from the Dagger Complex. 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:09.680 And then we also went to Wiesbaden, 00:16:09.680 --> 00:16:13.840 which is the traditional home of the US military in Germany 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.300 And the Clay Kaserne Building! 00:16:16.300 --> 00:16:19.740 This is where supposedly, forthcoming 00:16:19.740 --> 00:16:22.240 is going to be one of the NSA’s biggest buildings 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.310 and operations in Europe, also all very secret. 00:16:25.310 --> 00:16:27.340 No one knows what's going on. 00:16:27.340 --> 00:16:31.830 And then we went to the US Embassy in Berlin. 00:16:31.830 --> 00:16:35.040 And this for non German speakers just says: 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:36.380 "Enough with paranoia!" 00:16:36.380 --> 00:16:39.130 This is why we had the like dadaistic pineapple on there. 00:16:39.130 --> 00:16:43.260 "We’re helping you to get out of the Secret Services!" 00:16:43.260 --> 00:16:45.990 And then we went to the German Secret Services as well. 00:16:45.990 --> 00:16:49.160 This is there new office block, the Bundesnachrichtendienst 00:16:49.160 --> 00:16:51.510 applause 00:16:51.510 --> 00:16:56.130 and we also went to the old offices, just in case. 00:16:56.130 --> 00:16:59.130 laughter and applause 00:16:59.130 --> 00:17:03.060 And then we went to … —we did a lot in a week— 00:17:03.060 --> 00:17:05.429 we went to the Verfassungsschutz which is 00:17:05.429 --> 00:17:07.789 the domestic intelligence in Germany. 00:17:07.789 --> 00:17:12.459 And this is located in Köln, to remind them about 00:17:12.459 --> 00:17:17.499 —so the Verfassungsschutz actually stands for roughly translated in English is: 00:17:17.499 --> 00:17:19.599 Protectors of the constitution— 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.398 and in order to remind them about the constitution 00:17:21.398 --> 00:17:24.219 we stuck the constitution on their wall there. 00:17:24.219 --> 00:17:29.789 applause 00:17:29.789 --> 00:17:32.460 And then there they are ripping it up. 00:17:32.460 --> 00:17:35.390 This was like a dream we had for a very long time 00:17:35.390 --> 00:17:38.530 and finally we have realized it. laughing 00:17:38.530 --> 00:17:43.350 And then we thought we take a bigger step... 00:17:43.350 --> 00:18:02.640 music 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.990 laughter in the audience 00:18:04.990 --> 00:18:19.370 music 00:18:19.370 --> 00:18:32.270 applause in the audience 00:18:32.840 --> 00:18:35.710 According to sources, Intelexit website 00:18:35.710 --> 00:18:41.510 was blocked on the internal network after that dropped. 00:18:43.399 --> 00:18:48.120 So that was our week and that was Intelexit. 00:18:48.120 --> 00:18:50.969 And I just want to share a few learnings with you, 00:18:50.969 --> 00:18:53.299 because it was a very interesting campaign for us 00:18:53.299 --> 00:18:55.950 and one of a kind, really. 00:18:55.950 --> 00:18:58.649 So I think the first thing on a very kind of 00:18:58.649 --> 00:19:01.399 just basic level is that it is possible 00:19:01.399 --> 00:19:05.230 to talk about this issue without creating fear, 00:19:05.230 --> 00:19:07.799 without making everyone, you know, 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.879 really worried about their information 00:19:10.879 --> 00:19:13.780 and the data and their general feeling of well-being. 00:19:13.789 --> 00:19:15.909 There is a way of kind of shift the narrative 00:19:15.909 --> 00:19:19.460 and look more at the outside and stop 00:19:19.460 --> 00:19:21.950 holding the defensive. 00:19:21.950 --> 00:19:27.019 Okay, then second thing is that 00:19:27.019 --> 00:19:29.940 they are just as good in faking as we are. 00:19:29.940 --> 00:19:33.510 This was the response from the GCHQ to a 00:19:33.510 --> 00:19:39.550 journalist question for an article about Intelexit, which is amazing, 00:19:39.550 --> 00:19:42.070 because they basically just said that they don’t do 00:19:42.070 --> 00:19:45.200 anything unlawful and they actively encourage 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:47.639 staff to discuss any concerns that they have 00:19:47.639 --> 00:19:51.379 inside, which we all know is not true. 00:19:51.379 --> 00:19:53.590 And they also they really pride themselves 00:19:53.590 --> 00:19:57.209 on the structures they have in place to support this. 00:19:57.489 --> 00:20:01.199 So I think this was the biggest surprise for us. 00:20:01.199 --> 00:20:02.809 Like we are always dealing in this kind of 00:20:02.809 --> 00:20:05.330 projecting of either utopias or distopias 00:20:05.330 --> 00:20:06.749 out into the world 00:20:06.749 --> 00:20:09.480 and sometimes when you have a vision 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:11.099 and you project something out, 00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:13.059 actually it kind of turns into reality. 00:20:13.059 --> 00:20:14.700 And that's what happened. 00:20:14.700 --> 00:20:16.330 You know, we played this line of 00:20:16.330 --> 00:20:18.619 yes it's sort of a fake, but at the same time 00:20:18.619 --> 00:20:20.830 we really mean what we’re putting out here. 00:20:20.830 --> 00:20:24.269 Yes, we actually think there should be an Intelexit Foundation created. 00:20:24.269 --> 00:20:26.090 And there should be loads of money 00:20:26.090 --> 00:20:28.159 flowing in for people who want to get out. 00:20:28.159 --> 00:20:30.589 And there should be a civil way to exit. 00:20:30.589 --> 00:20:32.179 applause 00:20:32.179 --> 00:20:34.539 But, you know, what can we do? 00:20:34.539 --> 00:20:37.070 We're just like a small art collective 00:20:37.070 --> 00:20:38.940 in Berlin. You know. 00:20:38.940 --> 00:20:41.559 We can make a big wave, but we're 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:44.090 quite limited on our resources. 00:20:44.090 --> 00:20:45.769 But actually we got responses, 00:20:45.769 --> 00:20:49.129 we got people coming to us 00:20:49.129 --> 00:20:50.610 and that was a real surprise 00:20:50.610 --> 00:20:56.119 and we realised we have a lot of responsibility, too. 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.259 And so, this is the other learning that 00:20:58.259 --> 00:21:00.760 there is no clear line between insanity and reality. 00:21:00.760 --> 00:21:02.970 So you kind of constantly, when you get 00:21:02.970 --> 00:21:04.919 people contacting you this like, 00:21:04.919 --> 00:21:06.990 of course you get people who think that 00:21:06.990 --> 00:21:08.529 they are pursued by the CIA 00:21:08.529 --> 00:21:11.889 or think that they used to work at the secret service 00:21:11.889 --> 00:21:14.090 and then there is people who talk to aliens 00:21:14.090 --> 00:21:16.720 and these kinds of things 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:20.029 and then you get people with really legitimate stories 00:21:20.029 --> 00:21:22.639 and there is a kind of constant balance 00:21:22.639 --> 00:21:24.100 and we really had to learn how to 00:21:24.100 --> 00:21:25.659 assess these. 00:21:25.659 --> 00:21:28.360 And luckily we had amazing support from 00:21:28.360 --> 00:21:30.840 investigative journalists, particularly from 00:21:30.840 --> 00:21:33.320 whistle-blower platforms who have experience 00:21:33.320 --> 00:21:36.169 with this and help us. 00:21:36.169 --> 00:21:38.869 But that's just part of the game. 00:21:38.869 --> 00:21:41.529 Okay, I think this is our other learning, 00:21:41.529 --> 00:21:42.480 that we realised, that 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:43.850 at the end of this week, 00:21:43.850 --> 00:21:45.549 there really is a need for this. 00:21:45.549 --> 00:21:54.039 There is a need to respond to kind of 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:54.789 discourse that's out there 00:21:54.789 --> 00:21:55.509 and create a new one 00:21:55.509 --> 00:21:57.269 and then there is also really a need to 00:21:57.269 --> 00:22:01.009 provide this kind of support and 00:22:01.009 --> 00:22:03.149 actually reach out to people who are 00:22:03.149 --> 00:22:06.970 trapped in these structures and want to get out. 00:22:06.970 --> 00:22:08.759 So we've been working really hard and trying 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:12.639 to build up networks of support with people 00:22:12.639 --> 00:22:14.059 who have legal skills, 00:22:14.059 --> 00:22:17.940 who have psychological training 00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:19.990 and who can also help, if people want to 00:22:19.990 --> 00:22:22.289 get out and leak or blow the whistle, 00:22:22.289 --> 00:22:23.230 who can help with that. 00:22:23.230 --> 00:22:26.480 So we kind of at the moment when people come 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.450 we are trying to direct them to the right resources. 00:22:29.450 --> 00:22:30.269 Because of cause we're not 00:22:30.269 --> 00:22:32.409 a whistle blowing platform. 00:22:32.409 --> 00:22:36.480 And we are not a legal organisation, 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:37.919 so we can't provide a lot of things, 00:22:37.919 --> 00:22:40.269 but we have good networks and we can try 00:22:40.269 --> 00:22:44.619 and connect people with them. 00:22:44.619 --> 00:22:50.059 So what's coming next? 00:22:50.059 --> 00:22:51.409 We are trying to build up our infrastructure 00:22:51.409 --> 00:22:54.629 so that people can actually have a very secure way 00:22:54.629 --> 00:22:55.929 to contact us. 00:22:55.929 --> 00:22:58.419 We are building up this network of support 00:22:58.419 --> 00:23:02.100 and we want to create a list of future 00:23:02.100 --> 00:23:03.730 employers for people who actually do leave 00:23:03.730 --> 00:23:05.759 the secret services so that they can find 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:08.169 places to get jobs afterwards. 00:23:08.169 --> 00:23:09.490 And we want to continue doing more 00:23:09.490 --> 00:23:11.200 outreach and more campaigning on this issue 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:16.600 and I think that that is our main goal. 00:23:16.600 --> 00:23:20.490 applause 00:23:20.490 --> 00:23:22.340 That's a safe within a safe, 00:23:22.340 --> 00:23:26.240 which is now part of our kind of secure 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.159 infrastructure in our offices, 00:23:28.159 --> 00:23:30.499 thanks to the support of very experienced 00:23:30.499 --> 00:23:32.299 and knowledgeable expert people 00:23:32.299 --> 00:23:35.149 who can help us set up the kind of 00:23:35.149 --> 00:23:38.639 the best way for people to kind of 00:23:38.639 --> 00:23:42.460 to enter the risk assessment to enter the 00:23:42.460 --> 00:23:46.700 best means of communicating with us. 00:23:46.700 --> 00:23:49.070 And then on our outreach plans 00:23:49.070 --> 00:23:53.659 we really want to create a way to talk to 00:23:53.659 --> 00:23:56.830 people who're working in the secret services 00:23:56.830 --> 00:23:59.110 for an every day person in this audience 00:23:59.110 --> 00:24:02.559 or on the stage just to call up the NSA 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:05.509 or the BND or the GCHQ and get through 00:24:05.509 --> 00:24:07.289 to someone who is sitting in their office 00:24:07.289 --> 00:24:09.340 on their phone and have a conversation 00:24:09.340 --> 00:24:10.919 with them like callcenter-style. 00:24:10.919 --> 00:24:13.909 You know like: How are you doing today? 00:24:13.909 --> 00:24:16.330 Can we talk about your job? 00:24:16.330 --> 00:24:20.019 How do you feel about working at the 00:24:20.019 --> 00:24:25.519 secret services? 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.129 We want to create an anonymous reaching 00:24:28.129 --> 00:24:30.639 system for someone to call completely 00:24:30.639 --> 00:24:34.470 anonymously to a set of numbers 00:24:34.470 --> 00:24:39.080 which we can't reveal the source of 00:24:39.080 --> 00:24:44.200 and to reach out to these people. 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.110 So of course we need support and help. 00:24:47.110 --> 00:24:53.649 And these are all the things you can help us with. 00:24:53.649 --> 00:24:56.659 If you got skills, we need all kinds of skills, 00:24:56.659 --> 00:25:00.539 we need skills to build up this call center 00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:03.070 operation of ours, so that people can actually 00:25:03.070 --> 00:25:07.710 anonymously call and we can have something 00:25:07.710 --> 00:25:10.830 that is very exciting and we can premier at 00:25:10.830 --> 00:25:11.489 events. 00:25:11.489 --> 00:25:13.179 So that you can actually have 00:25:13.179 --> 00:25:17.149 call center operations on stage calling up 00:25:17.149 --> 00:25:19.820 doing it live. 00:25:19.820 --> 00:25:22.289 And then we also need people who will 00:25:22.289 --> 00:25:25.659 translate our materials. 00:25:25.659 --> 00:25:26.720 We would like to get them into other 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.059 languages, we only have English and German atm. 00:25:30.059 --> 00:25:32.379 And we would like to kind of reach out more 00:25:32.379 --> 00:25:35.320 internationally. 00:25:35.320 --> 00:25:37.840 And if you've got connections, 00:25:37.840 --> 00:25:39.460 well that's also always good, 00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:42.919 if you've got people who are lawyers, 00:25:42.919 --> 00:25:46.129 who have experience working with people 00:25:46.129 --> 00:25:49.460 who are either in trauma or 00:25:49.460 --> 00:25:51.419 people who have been in the secret service 00:25:51.419 --> 00:25:53.919 for example. 00:25:53.919 --> 00:25:55.799 Legal skills, psychological skills, 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:57.679 journalists - we need all those kinds of 00:25:57.679 --> 00:25:59.239 connections in different jurisdictions. 00:25:59.239 --> 00:26:03.039 We are pretty well set up in Berlin and 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:05.919 in Germany, but we really need help 00:26:05.919 --> 00:26:09.090 in the UK and the US as well for now. 00:26:09.090 --> 00:26:10.889 And then if you've got ideas for outreach 00:26:10.889 --> 00:26:12.879 for new actions we are also really open 00:26:12.879 --> 00:26:14.330 to hearing those. 00:26:14.330 --> 00:26:16.279 We've got the call center idea at the moment. 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:17.070 Calling up the spies. 00:26:17.070 --> 00:26:20.980 We want new ideas and if you know people 00:26:20.980 --> 00:26:22.509 who are working there just have that 00:26:22.509 --> 00:26:24.100 conversation with them. 00:26:24.100 --> 00:26:26.710 Just start a conversation about you know, 00:26:26.710 --> 00:26:28.770 ethics of the workplace. 00:26:28.770 --> 00:26:34.989 applause 00:26:34.989 --> 00:26:38.289 And now... the big question... 00:26:38.289 --> 00:26:45.539 And I even do that to say how important it is. 00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:47.759 If you like Peng!'s work we are not ashamed 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.409 any more. We were ashamed for a long time 00:26:49.409 --> 00:26:49.970 to ask for money, 00:26:49.970 --> 00:26:51.509 but we're not ashamed any more. 00:26:51.509 --> 00:26:54.350 We live of idealism alone, people, 00:26:54.350 --> 00:26:57.320 and we need help to keep our actions going! 00:26:57.320 --> 00:26:59.200 This year I think we did 6 actions or something 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.950 really large campaigns and we need help to 00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:06.619 kind of support our infrastructure, 00:27:06.619 --> 00:27:09.289 to support our staff, 00:27:09.289 --> 00:27:12.480 to support our projects more than anything, 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:16.580 so that we can keep on doing what we are doing. 00:27:16.580 --> 00:27:19.049 So we've developed a way for you to become 00:27:19.049 --> 00:27:22.230 a monkey donator which I highly recommend 00:27:22.230 --> 00:27:26.450 great feelings of positivity and love will 00:27:26.450 --> 00:27:28.830 travel with you for many years after 00:27:28.830 --> 00:27:35.299 you have done this. 00:27:35.299 --> 00:27:37.399 Mother Theresa said: 00:27:37.399 --> 00:27:39.100 If you can't feed a hundred penguins, 00:27:39.100 --> 00:27:40.669 then just feed one." 00:27:40.669 --> 00:27:43.629 So, feed one of us! 00:27:43.629 --> 00:27:45.470 Even if it's just like the pinky finger of 00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:49.429 one of us and sign up for a year to 00:27:49.429 --> 00:27:51.330 keep seeing great action coming out 00:27:51.330 --> 00:27:54.070 from Peng! 00:27:54.070 --> 00:27:55.200 And that's me. 00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.169 And we've got one more thing, 00:27:57.169 --> 00:28:01.919 surprise! Where are you? Hello! 00:28:01.919 --> 00:28:03.989 So we have one other way to donate, 00:28:03.989 --> 00:28:05.289 which is that you can buy one of the 00:28:05.289 --> 00:28:07.149 awesome Intelexit T-shirts, 00:28:07.149 --> 00:28:09.379 which Paul is gonna come here and model 00:28:09.379 --> 00:28:13.029 for us quickly. 00:28:13.029 --> 00:28:15.950 laughing and applause 00:28:15.950 --> 00:28:19.460 And there's a run for your life! 00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:20.609 That's the kind of lame one... 00:28:20.609 --> 00:28:24.409 but these ones are cool! 00:28:24.409 --> 00:28:26.840 Thank you! 00:28:26.840 --> 00:28:30.609 Are we meeting afterwards? 00:28:30.609 --> 00:28:31.999 I think we're going to have... 00:28:31.999 --> 00:28:33.019 We don't have time for questions 00:28:33.019 --> 00:28:33.669 and answers now. 00:28:33.669 --> 00:28:35.080 But we really want to get feedback 00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:35.499 from people. 00:28:35.499 --> 00:28:38.029 I think there is an IRC Chat or Radio happening, 00:28:38.029 --> 00:28:39.509 but if people want to come we're going 00:28:39.509 --> 00:28:41.090 to meet. 00:28:41.090 --> 00:28:43.580 Where are we meeting? 00:28:43.580 --> 00:28:45.290 In front! 00:28:45.290 --> 00:28:47.139 laughing 00:28:47.139 --> 00:28:50.980 Of this huge hall. 00:28:50.980 --> 00:28:51.940 Can someone give me a location, 00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:54.470 I only got here today... 00:28:54.470 --> 00:28:55.799 Can you give us a location? 00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:56.989 Herald: Okay, So it's sensible to meet 00:28:56.989 --> 00:28:58.269 at the tea tent I suppose. 00:28:58.269 --> 00:28:58.940 Gloria: Tea tent! 00:28:58.940 --> 00:28:59.619 In 15 minutes! 00:28:59.619 --> 00:29:02.139 Herald: In front of hall 2, there is a big tea tent, 00:29:02.139 --> 00:29:05.249 where you get tea, where you also 00:29:05.249 --> 00:29:06.820 meet many other people who are working 00:29:06.820 --> 00:29:08.649 in this direction therefore, right? 00:29:08.649 --> 00:29:09.289 Gloria: Yes! 00:29:09.289 --> 00:29:11.679 Herald: And I have one question still, 00:29:11.679 --> 00:29:14.789 because you told we can support on the Internet 00:29:14.789 --> 00:29:17.850 is there also a way to donate anonymously? 00:29:17.850 --> 00:29:20.960 Gloria: Well, you can donate with bitcoin 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:22.759 or you can just give us cash. 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.480 Herald: Everybody, big piles of cash, 00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.749 bring them here! 00:29:27.749 --> 00:29:32.299 Gloria: Not saying no to cash... 00:29:32.299 --> 00:29:33.639 Herald: Thank you, Gloria! 00:29:33.639 --> 00:29:34.970 Gloria: Ah, they got a bag! 00:29:34.970 --> 00:29:37.779 Herald: And there is a bag for cash! 00:29:37.779 --> 00:29:39.239 laughing 00:29:39.239 --> 00:29:41.909 Gloria: You can put it in very anonymously here. 00:29:41.909 --> 00:29:46.499 laughing 00:29:46.499 --> 00:29:49.600 Herald: Bring your blocking for your face 00:29:49.600 --> 00:29:52.340 if you really want to be anonymous. 00:29:52.340 --> 00:29:53.960 Thank you, Gloria! 00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:55.259 Everybody who wants to come, 00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:56.350 please go to the tea tent! 00:29:56.350 --> 00:30:02.392 applause 00:30:02.392 --> 00:30:06.172 music 00:30:06.172 --> 00:30:14.000 subtitles created by c3subtitles.de Join, and help us!