0:00:10.210,0:00:13.970 Angel: Now I am very happy to have you all here 0:00:13.970,0:00:18.580 for the next talk on a really important topic. 0:00:18.580,0:00:21.150 And we all called last year for 0:00:21.150,0:00:24.820 more creative campaigns on all our issues, 0:00:24.820,0:00:27.049 that we talk about here at congress. 0:00:27.049,0:00:29.939 And so the Peng! Collective thought about a 0:00:29.939,0:00:32.110 really creative campaign that also got 0:00:32.110,0:00:34.940 a lot of attention in the last year. 0:00:34.940,0:00:37.280 And because they call for all 0:00:37.280,0:00:40.329 the intelligence officers to really exit 0:00:40.329,0:00:43.870 their careers and to find some other 0:00:43.870,0:00:48.710 more valuable service to our society, 0:00:48.710,0:00:50.580 I'm very honoured to introduce 0:00:50.580,0:00:53.070 Gloria Spindle to you, 0:00:53.070,0:00:57.219 who is a former Google nest employee, 0:00:57.219,0:01:01.740 —You might remember that great campaign—[br] 0:01:01.740,0:01:05.690 and will now present the "Intelexit" to you. 0:01:05.690,0:01:07.140 Thank you! Your Applause! 0:01:07.140,0:01:09.060 applause 0:01:09.060,0:01:23.270 silence on the audio stream 0:01:23.270,0:01:25.900 Gloria: Hello! 0:01:25.900,0:01:28.770 And hello to all the live streaming people[br]out there as well. 0:01:28.770,0:01:31.959 Blubb blubb we can see you! 0:01:31.959,0:01:35.030 I hear they're a lot, maybe more than[br]what's in this room. 0:01:35.049,0:01:36.600 All the lights are dimming. 0:01:36.600,0:01:39.909 Okay, so! I don't know if anyone else 0:01:39.909,0:01:42.219 is as interested in the parts 0:01:42.219,0:01:44.299 of the Snowdon documents as I am, 0:01:44.299,0:01:48.689 which are the kind of little cultural titbits[br]that you find that give you a sense of 0:01:48.689,0:01:52.740 what it's like to be within the Secret Service. 0:01:52.740,0:01:57.930 I'm really kind of fascinated[br]by this particular gentleman. 0:01:57.930,0:02:01.700 The SIGINT Philosopher, who was a columnist 0:02:01.700,0:02:04.979 for the NSA on the internal news letter 0:02:04.979,0:02:07.140 and he is really quite creative 0:02:07.140,0:02:09.480 and he writes a lot of pieces 0:02:09.480,0:02:12.450 about the ethical quandaries of working[br]in the Secret Services. 0:02:12.450,0:02:14.170 And most of them end with just like: 0:02:14.170,0:02:16.350 "You should just like keep your head down[br]and you should just keep doing 0:02:16.350,0:02:17.830 what you're supposed to be doing, 0:02:17.830,0:02:22.300 'cause that's the best way to go ahead[br]and protect your county." 0:02:22.300,0:02:25.690 So this quote is really the kind of crux 0:02:25.690,0:02:31.190 of what the “Intelexit” Initiative[br]is founded on. 0:02:31.190,0:02:33.580 We recognise that people who are working 0:02:33.580,0:02:35.980 in the Secret Services, and I'm sure 0:02:35.980,0:02:38.970 some of you in the audience tonight 0:02:38.970,0:02:44.350 are working in the Secret Services 0:02:44.350,0:02:50.030 — pretty certain there are some disgruntled, maybe unhappy, 0:02:50.030,0:02:54.080 maybe ethically confused people[br]working in spy agencies, 0:02:54.080,0:02:56.470 maybe you're just a contractor 0:02:56.470,0:02:59.770 and you feel like: Oh I'm not so involved, 0:02:59.770,0:03:04.940 but I still feel like[br]I have blood on my hands. 0:03:04.940,0:03:08.020 And those are the people[br]that “Intelexit” is talking to. 0:03:08.020,0:03:09.440 very mild applause 0:03:09.440,0:03:12.580 That was like have a clap.[br]I mean come on, people! 0:03:12.580,0:03:14.290 applause 0:03:14.290,0:03:16.290 Thank you! Thank you! Jesus! 0:03:16.290,0:03:19.200 Don't be afraid of clapping! 0:03:19.200,0:03:23.090 So those are the people that “Intelexit”[br]is really talking to. 0:03:23.090,0:03:25.230 And we wanted to reach out to those people, 0:03:25.230,0:03:28.590 because there hasn't been a campaign yet[br]that has actually recognised, 0:03:28.590,0:03:30.450 that they are humans working, 0:03:30.450,0:03:32.380 thousands and thousands of people 0:03:32.380,0:03:36.650 going every day to their surveillance jobs,[br]operating drones 0:03:36.650,0:03:38.800 and even the people who are just 0:03:38.800,0:03:41.790 answering emails or you know pushing paper, 0:03:41.790,0:03:44.410 running the photocopy machine,[br]if they even have those. 0:03:44.410,0:03:46.120 — Who knows what they have in there — 0:03:46.120,0:03:48.320 Those People,[br]they are people who obviously 0:03:48.320,0:03:52.120 have ethical issues about working 0:03:52.120,0:03:54.510 in these systems 0:03:54.510,0:03:57.640 and feel responsible[br]for mass surveillance, 0:03:57.640,0:04:01.250 drone warfare and the slow, maybe fast, 0:04:01.250,0:04:05.370 degradation of democracy as we know it. 0:04:05.370,0:04:11.240 So, introducing “Intelexit”! 0:04:11.240,0:04:16.690 applause 0:04:16.690,0:04:18.810 So what Intelexit does is 0:04:18.810,0:04:22.029 it's an initiative, a civil initiative 0:04:22.029,0:04:24.870 grounded in the idea that we[br]need to find a way 0:04:24.870,0:04:27.180 to support people who want to leave 0:04:27.180,0:04:28.750 their jobs at the Secret Services 0:04:28.750,0:04:32.449 and we need to normalise[br]the idea of quitting. 0:04:32.449,0:04:35.420 applause 0:04:35.420,0:04:39.949 Because actually it's a very just and 0:04:39.949,0:04:41.729 sometimes honourable thing to do, 0:04:41.729,0:04:43.370 just to follow your ethics and 0:04:43.370,0:04:44.366 give up your job, 0:04:44.366,0:04:49.079 if you don't feel like you're contributing[br]to society in a good way. 0:04:49.079,0:04:50.539 applause 0:04:50.539,0:04:55.610 So that’s why Intelexit pitch. 0:04:55.610,0:04:57.050 Some of you might know: 0:04:57.050,0:04:59.300 I'm from Peng! as it was introduced earlier 0:04:59.300,0:05:02.949 and we are known for our hoaxes 0:05:02.949,0:05:06.319 and our media hacks and our culture jamming. 0:05:06.319,0:05:09.580 So intelexit is been a really, really[br]interesting campaign for us 0:05:09.580,0:05:12.770 and I’ll explain it as I go. 0:05:12.770,0:05:15.240 Because of course you see it's a bit of 0:05:15.240,0:05:16.830 performance and it's a bit of humour 0:05:16.830,0:05:19.960 but it's also very serious at the same time. 0:05:19.960,0:05:22.800 So, just to introduce Peng! to you, 0:05:22.800,0:05:24.539 for those who don't know. 0:05:24.539,0:05:28.759 Here we were... this was at re:publica 0:05:28.759,0:05:32.669 impersonating Google managers and 0:05:32.669,0:05:34.590 presenting some really creepy, 0:05:34.590,0:05:36.199 data collecting products. 0:05:36.199,0:05:38.399 A personal drone for daily life, 0:05:38.399,0:05:41.839 an app that monitors your well-being,[br]emotional well being, 0:05:41.839,0:05:45.879 and matches you with other people[br]who also need a hug 0:05:45.879,0:05:47.889 and creepy thing about that is most 0:05:47.889,0:05:50.800 of this distopian visions have now actually 0:05:50.800,0:05:52.699 come to light and are existing 0:05:52.699,0:05:54.530 in the real world today. 0:05:54.530,0:05:57.959 Actually people do use drones[br]to follow their children to school. 0:05:57.959,0:06:00.259 That's a real thing. 0:06:00.259,0:06:04.559 So and here we are impersonating the[br]leading party of Germany 0:06:04.559,0:06:08.470 and here we are in live television,[br]cracking an egg over the head of a presenter 0:06:08.470,0:06:10.830 of a very dodgy television program 0:06:10.830,0:06:15.949 and this was our program to self.... 0:06:15.949,0:06:20.579 provide self help for trolls,[br]sexist trolls on twitter 0:06:20.579,0:06:22.279 and that was our self help coach. 0:06:22.279,0:06:24.860 We had a bot army which was analyse... 0:06:24.860,0:06:27.240 we had a language analysis[br]happening on twitter 0:06:27.240,0:06:29.590 and then we had an army of 160 bots 0:06:29.590,0:06:31.650 which were going out and enrolling trolls 0:06:31.650,0:06:34.469 on twitter into our self help program 0:06:34.469,0:06:37.310 and sending them nice inspirational videos 0:06:37.310,0:06:39.649 every day to help cure them. 0:06:39.649,0:06:45.189 applause 0:06:45.189,0:06:46.749 So as you can see we have a... 0:06:46.749,0:06:50.039 we utilise a range[br]of tactics and techniques 0:06:50.039,0:06:52.479 in what we call campaigning. 0:06:52.479,0:06:55.740 Some people call it art,[br]some people call it theatre, 0:06:55.740,0:06:59.190 some people call it a joke,[br]some call it entertainment, 0:06:59.190,0:07:02.420 but we see it as campaigning[br]and what we are constantly trying to do 0:07:02.420,0:07:04.350 is to shift the narrative.[br]We look at... 0:07:04.350,0:07:07.370 shift the narrative around[br]various social justice issues. 0:07:07.370,0:07:09.479 We look at issues we think that really need 0:07:09.479,0:07:11.860 a kind of different spin[br]happening in the media 0:07:11.860,0:07:15.809 and we take them and find a way to[br]reframe them and then we push them out 0:07:15.809,0:07:18.620 and hope that we get a lot of attention. 0:07:18.620,0:07:21.840 So we started looking at the issue of 0:07:21.840,0:07:25.419 surveillance and the Secret Services. 0:07:25.419,0:07:30.120 And, well, quickly one runs into the obstacle 0:07:30.120,0:07:32.590 of how do you talk about this. 0:07:32.590,0:07:36.320 Like we have this clichés of, you know, 0:07:36.320,0:07:41.370 the eye and, you know, Edward Snowden’s face 0:07:41.370,0:07:43.669 and we have these visuals that kind of 0:07:43.669,0:07:45.479 don't really mean anything anymore 0:07:45.479,0:07:48.020 and everyone really struggles[br]to actually understand 0:07:48.020,0:07:50.210 what the issue means and how do we talk about 0:07:50.210,0:07:56.900 the Secret Services,[br]when they're completely inaccessible to us? 0:07:56.900,0:08:02.259 So this a photo, for example, of the regulations 0:08:02.259,0:08:05.599 for taking photographs at Fort Meade. 0:08:05.599,0:08:09.009 You see, you’re not really allowed[br]to take photographs of the buildings. 0:08:09.009,0:08:10.949 So if you start with that as a kind of metaphor 0:08:10.949,0:08:14.879 for the inaccessibility of the Secret Services 0:08:14.879,0:08:17.259 to our general culture. 0:08:17.259,0:08:19.249 We don't even have visuals for them. 0:08:19.249,0:08:22.020 We've got like one photo of the NSA[br]that floats around the internet 0:08:22.020,0:08:25.509 and just gets repurposed and repurposed. 0:08:25.509,0:08:27.119 We can't access these people, 0:08:27.119,0:08:29.979 we can't access their structures,[br]we can't access their information. 0:08:29.979,0:08:34.459 Yes we have leaks now,[br]but how do we actually open it up more? 0:08:34.459,0:08:37.729 And that was the question,[br]we kept asking ourselves. 0:08:37.729,0:08:41.669 You've got this issue of intangibility 0:08:41.669,0:08:43.400 and then you also got the issue that 0:08:43.400,0:08:44.640 everything is so secret. 0:08:44.640,0:08:49.320 I mean even if a Christmas card[br]is sent internally in the NSA, 0:08:49.320,0:08:52.690 it's classified as top secret. 0:08:52.690,0:08:55.150 Then you've got technology which is so complicated 0:08:55.150,0:08:57.270 the general public can't understand it 0:08:57.270,0:09:00.650 and it's like all these acronyms and these 0:09:00.650,0:09:02.760 weird flow charts and bad design 0:09:02.760,0:09:05.330 and it's just really complicated. 0:09:05.330,0:09:08.640 And then of course there is fear. 0:09:08.640,0:09:10.940 And Fear is really crippling for activists 0:09:10.940,0:09:13.850 like ourselves, for civil society.[br]It is really difficult. 0:09:13.850,0:09:15.660 We don't want to broach this issue. 0:09:15.660,0:09:17.130 We don't want to step into it, 0:09:17.130,0:09:19.550 because it's scary,[br]because once you step into it, 0:09:19.550,0:09:23.440 it means that you are[br]a target, of course. 0:09:23.440,0:09:26.270 And also, funny enough, fear is also the way 0:09:26.270,0:09:27.710 the narrative is often shaped. 0:09:27.710,0:09:30.060 This is what we use,[br]to try and raise awareness 0:09:30.060,0:09:32.270 about surveillance.[br]We make people afraid. 0:09:32.270,0:09:34.670 We, you know, we talk about this invincible, 0:09:34.670,0:09:39.480 dark danger of surveillance[br]creeping in on us. 0:09:39.480,0:09:42.660 No one knows,[br]if they’re being watched or not. 0:09:42.660,0:09:47.450 And this, we think, is a narrative[br]that really needs to be shifted. 0:09:47.450,0:09:51.590 So we wanted to find a way to bring hope, 0:09:51.590,0:09:56.060 to bring a positive image to this narrative 0:09:56.060,0:09:58.520 and also to bring it down to humans 0:09:58.520,0:10:01.340 like not to talk about technology, 0:10:01.340,0:10:03.640 not to talk about these[br]dark and complex systems 0:10:03.640,0:10:05.290 but to talk about the people 0:10:05.290,0:10:09.350 and talk to the people who are upholding[br]these structures. 0:10:09.350,0:10:11.940 So this is what we came up with: 0:10:11.940,0:10:16.770 off-voice from video:[br]Right now, thousands of people work 0:10:16.770,0:10:19.740 in the shadows[br]of the intelligence community. 0:10:21.320,0:10:23.220 They don't ask questions. 0:10:23.220,0:10:24.860 They follow orders. 0:10:24.860,0:10:27.000 Keep their heads down, 0:10:27.000,0:10:28.290 do their work. 0:10:28.290,0:10:32.080 But what happens,[br]when you see something you can't forget? 0:10:32.080,0:10:35.540 And you realise that the system you are 0:10:35.540,0:10:38.030 part of is chipping away our democracy 0:10:38.030,0:10:40.230 every hour, every day. 0:10:41.290,0:10:44.240 You feel stuck,[br]overwhelmed. 0:10:44.290,0:10:49.110 Some people have already made[br]the decision to leave. 0:10:49.690,0:10:53.750 Others are thinking about it every day. 0:10:53.750,0:10:58.210 Intelexit helps people break free[br]from the intelligence community 0:10:58.210,0:11:01.960 and build a new life. 0:11:03.200,0:11:05.420 You expose yourself within the system, 0:11:05.420,0:11:08.820 you ultimately end up[br]being forced out of the system. 0:11:09.960,0:11:12.700 I remember confronting my immediate supervisor 0:11:12.700,0:11:14.960 the number 3 person: What are we doing? 0:11:14.960,0:11:17.720 We are violating the constitution! 0:11:22.660,0:11:27.350 – Many Secret Service employees are disillusioned. 0:11:27.350,0:11:29.910 – Why are we taking equipment 0:11:29.910,0:11:34.190 —it is traditionally for foreign facing,[br]outward facing— 0:11:34.190,0:11:36.760 and we're now instrumenting our networks 0:11:36.760,0:11:38.630 within the United States of America? 0:11:38.630,0:11:42.160 - If you're surveilling the population,[br]you're all on the same side. 0:11:42.160,0:11:47.450 Right? You want all the data and you want to[br]talk to people who have the most data. 0:11:47.450,0:11:52.910 So the NSA is a[br]nexus of surveillance for the world. 0:11:52.910,0:11:55.560 – It's what ever you can get away with. 0:11:55.560,0:11:57.540 That was part of the "game". 0:11:57.540,0:12:01.950 And whatever would serve[br]as the interest of "national security". 0:12:01.950,0:12:06.330 – When one is forced to act against one's[br]moral values, they can experience 0:12:06.330,0:12:09.750 extreme levels of[br]what we call cognitive dissonance. 0:12:19.900,0:12:25.480 – I was radioactive because[br]I'm questioning what are we doing. 0:12:25.480,0:12:28.440 Where do you then go?[br]Where does your life then … 0:12:28.440,0:12:33.080 Where do you recreate your life? 0:12:33.080,0:12:36.240 – What Intelexit does is help individuals 0:12:36.240,0:12:38.910 transition from the world on the inside 0:12:38.910,0:12:40.350 to the world on the outside. 0:12:43.680,0:12:47.260 – The more you can move[br]from the inside to the outside, 0:12:47.260,0:12:50.110 the better you'll integrate[br]into the real world. 0:12:50.110,0:12:54.550 – What is really great about Intelexit is[br]that it helps people to confront their fears. 0:12:54.550,0:12:55.780 – So take it from me: 0:12:55.780,0:12:58.240 If you're looking to get out,[br]try Intelexit! 0:12:59.430,0:13:03.260 – Be smart. Exit intelligence now. 0:13:03.270,0:13:11.080 roaring applause 0:13:11.080,0:13:14.140 I was really impressed[br]with Bruce Schneier there. 0:13:14.140,0:13:17.590 Bruce Schneier is just amazing without end. 0:13:17.590,0:13:19.870 I mean, who knew he had those talents? 0:13:19.870,0:13:21.630 Someone take him to acting school. 0:13:21.630,0:13:24.000 Like, it's amazing! 0:13:24.000,0:13:26.240 Okay, so then we made the video, 0:13:26.240,0:13:30.450 but of course we knew, we know[br]that the people that we are talking to 0:13:30.450,0:13:33.880 the spies, are some of the[br]most introverted people in the world. 0:13:33.880,0:13:35.920 And probably some of them the people 0:13:35.920,0:13:38.140 most stuck in a filter bubble in the world. 0:13:38.140,0:13:41.190 So we knew we had to kind of[br]take our preach further 0:13:41.190,0:13:44.290 and we had to go to where they are. 0:13:44.290,0:13:48.590 So you know we thought big and we pretended 0:13:48.590,0:13:51.780 we just forgot about that we didn't really[br]have a budget. 0:13:51.780,0:13:55.060 And so we just hired a van.[br]Because that's what you do. 0:13:55.060,0:13:58.480 So we just hired this van and drove around 0:13:58.480,0:14:01.660 Fort Meade and the NSA buildings, 0:14:01.660,0:14:06.320 tried as much as we could to get[br]as close as possible to them as we could. 0:14:06.320,0:14:12.640 applause 0:14:12.640,0:14:15.190 So this is outside Lockheed Martin 0:14:15.190,0:14:17.730 on a national business parkway. 0:14:17.730,0:14:20.950 The main area of all the NSA contractors 0:14:20.950,0:14:25.260 and they are really best friend with the NSA[br]and now they started making drones as well. 0:14:25.260,0:14:29.820 They’ve been supplying technology[br]to the military and the CIA and NSA forever. 0:14:29.820,0:14:33.780 So that’s us parked outside there,[br]giving them a strong moral punch 0:14:33.780,0:14:36.890 with the slogan. 0:14:36.890,0:14:40.600 And then we went to one of the most popular 0:14:40.600,0:14:44.440 cafes where NSA officers and contractors[br]like to go for lunch. 0:14:44.440,0:14:46.740 This Café JOE.[br]And we parked out there 0:14:46.740,0:14:49.580 during lunch time as well. 0:14:49.580,0:14:52.920 applause 0:14:52.920,0:14:55.570 And then of course, because you can't talk 0:14:55.570,0:14:58.620 about the Secret Services in one country[br]without talking about the other ones, 0:14:58.620,0:14:59.880 'cause they are all in bed with each other, 0:14:59.880,0:15:01.570 we of course had to go to the UK as well. 0:15:01.570,0:15:09.100 So here we are outside the "Donut" and[br]this is us trying … 0:15:09.100,0:15:12.330 okay, to be honest [br]laughing 0:15:12.330,0:15:15.360 that's trying to hand out flyer, brochures[br]to the people. 0:15:15.360,0:15:16.510 Like that was our plan. 0:15:16.510,0:15:19.290 We were gonna hand them out[br]to the employees on their way to work. 0:15:19.290,0:15:21.990 And they were just like imitates engine roar[br]they had, like, been briefed.. 0:15:21.990,0:15:24.330 or I don't know.[br]They were just ignoring us. 0:15:24.330,0:15:27.000 And also maybe we didn't brief that guy 0:15:27.000,0:15:33.010 very well on what to dress[br]as an Intelexit ambassador. 0:15:33.010,0:15:38.500 And then we hit all the …[br]laughter in the audience 0:15:38.500,0:15:44.190 applause 0:15:44.190,0:15:46.800 This is outside the Dagger Complex in Germany. 0:15:46.800,0:15:49.580 One of the lesser known spots for the NSA 0:15:49.580,0:15:51.490 where they kind of have a central hub 0:15:51.490,0:15:54.430 for the signal's intelligence[br]gathering in Europe, 0:15:54.430,0:15:56.490 it's been written about in the Spiegel. 0:15:56.490,0:16:00.730 Very secret, very difficult[br]to get there as well. 0:16:00.730,0:16:02.530 And there we are, again,[br]from the other side. 0:16:02.530,0:16:07.480 And that is the antenna[br]from the Dagger Complex. 0:16:07.480,0:16:09.680 And then we also went to Wiesbaden, 0:16:09.680,0:16:13.840 which is the traditional[br]home of the US military in Germany 0:16:13.840,0:16:16.300 And the Clay Kaserne Building! 0:16:16.300,0:16:19.740 This is where supposedly, forthcoming 0:16:19.740,0:16:22.240 is going to be[br]one of the NSA’s biggest buildings 0:16:22.240,0:16:25.310 and operations in Europe,[br]also all very secret. 0:16:25.310,0:16:27.340 No one knows what's going on. 0:16:27.340,0:16:31.830 And then we went to the[br]US Embassy in Berlin. 0:16:31.830,0:16:35.040 And this for non German speakers just says: 0:16:35.040,0:16:36.380 "Enough with paranoia!" 0:16:36.380,0:16:39.130 This is why we had the like[br]dadaistic pineapple on there. 0:16:39.130,0:16:43.260 "We’re helping you to[br]get out of the Secret Services!" 0:16:43.260,0:16:45.990 And then we went to the[br]German Secret Services as well. 0:16:45.990,0:16:49.160 This is there new office block,[br]the Bundesnachrichtendienst 0:16:49.160,0:16:51.510 applause 0:16:51.510,0:16:56.130 and we also went[br]to the old offices, just in case. 0:16:56.130,0:16:59.130 laughter and applause 0:16:59.130,0:17:03.060 And then we went to …[br]—we did a lot in a week— 0:17:03.060,0:17:05.429 we went to the Verfassungsschutz which is 0:17:05.429,0:17:07.789 the domestic intelligence in Germany. 0:17:07.789,0:17:12.459 And this is located in Köln,[br]to remind them about 0:17:12.459,0:17:17.499 —so the Verfassungsschutz actually[br]stands for roughly translated in English is: 0:17:17.499,0:17:19.599 Protectors of the constitution— 0:17:19.599,0:17:21.398 and in order to remind them about[br]the constitution 0:17:21.398,0:17:24.219 we stuck the constitution on their wall there. 0:17:24.219,0:17:29.789 applause 0:17:29.789,0:17:32.460 And then there they are ripping it up. 0:17:32.460,0:17:35.390 This was like a dream we had[br]for a very long time 0:17:35.390,0:17:38.530 and finally we have realized it. laughing 0:17:38.530,0:17:43.350 And then we thought we take a bigger step... 0:17:43.350,0:18:02.640 music 0:18:02.640,0:18:04.990 laughter in the audience 0:18:04.990,0:18:19.370 music 0:18:19.370,0:18:32.270 applause in the audience 0:18:32.840,0:18:35.710 According to sources, Intelexit website 0:18:35.710,0:18:41.510 was blocked on the internal network[br]after that dropped. 0:18:43.399,0:18:48.120 So that was our week and that was Intelexit. 0:18:48.120,0:18:50.969 And I just want to[br]share a few learnings with you, 0:18:50.969,0:18:53.299 because it was a very[br]interesting campaign for us 0:18:53.299,0:18:55.950 and one of a kind, really. 0:18:55.950,0:18:58.649 So I think the first thing[br]on a very kind of 0:18:58.649,0:19:01.399 just basic level is that it is possible 0:19:01.399,0:19:05.230 to talk about this issue[br]without creating fear, 0:19:05.230,0:19:07.799 without making everyone, you know, 0:19:07.799,0:19:10.879 really worried about their information 0:19:10.879,0:19:13.780 and the data and their general feeling[br]of well-being. 0:19:13.789,0:19:15.909 There is a way of kind of shift the narrative 0:19:15.909,0:19:19.460 and look more at the outside and stop 0:19:19.460,0:19:21.950 holding the defensive. 0:19:21.950,0:19:27.019 Okay, then second thing is that 0:19:27.019,0:19:29.940 they are just as good in faking as we are. 0:19:29.940,0:19:33.510 This was the response from the GCHQ to a 0:19:33.510,0:19:39.550 journalist question for an article about[br]Intelexit, which is amazing, 0:19:39.550,0:19:42.070 because they basically just said[br]that they don’t do 0:19:42.070,0:19:45.200 anything unlawful and they actively encourage 0:19:45.200,0:19:47.639 staff to discuss any concerns that they have 0:19:47.639,0:19:51.379 inside, which we all know is not true. 0:19:51.379,0:19:53.590 And they also they really pride themselves 0:19:53.590,0:19:57.209 on the structures they have in place[br]to support this. 0:19:57.489,0:20:01.199 So I think this was[br]the biggest surprise for us. 0:20:01.199,0:20:02.809 Like we are always dealing in this kind of 0:20:02.809,0:20:05.330 projecting of either utopias or distopias 0:20:05.330,0:20:06.749 out into the world 0:20:06.749,0:20:09.480 and sometimes when you have a vision 0:20:09.480,0:20:11.099 and you project something out, 0:20:11.099,0:20:13.059 actually it kind of turns into reality. 0:20:13.059,0:20:14.700 And that's what happened. 0:20:14.700,0:20:16.330 You know, we played this line of 0:20:16.330,0:20:18.619 yes it's sort of a fake, but at the same time 0:20:18.619,0:20:20.830 we really mean what we’re putting out here. 0:20:20.830,0:20:24.269 Yes, we actually think there should be[br]an Intelexit Foundation created. 0:20:24.269,0:20:26.090 And there should be loads of money 0:20:26.090,0:20:28.159 flowing in for people who want to get out. 0:20:28.159,0:20:30.589 And there should be a civil way to exit. 0:20:30.589,0:20:32.179 applause 0:20:32.179,0:20:34.539 But, you know, what can we do? 0:20:34.539,0:20:37.070 We're just like a small art collective 0:20:37.070,0:20:38.940 in Berlin. You know. 0:20:38.940,0:20:41.559 We can make a big wave, but we're 0:20:41.559,0:20:44.090 quite limited on our resources. 0:20:44.090,0:20:45.769 But actually we got responses, 0:20:45.769,0:20:49.129 we got people coming to us 0:20:49.129,0:20:50.610 and that was a real surprise 0:20:50.610,0:20:56.119 and we realised we have[br]a lot of responsibility, too. 0:20:56.119,0:20:58.259 And so, this is the other learning that 0:20:58.259,0:21:00.760 there is no clear line[br]between insanity and reality. 0:21:00.760,0:21:02.970 So you kind of constantly, when you get 0:21:02.970,0:21:04.919 people contacting you this like, 0:21:04.919,0:21:06.990 of course you get people who think that 0:21:06.990,0:21:08.529 they are pursued by the CIA 0:21:08.529,0:21:11.889 or think that they used to work at the secret[br]service 0:21:11.889,0:21:14.090 and then there is people who talk to aliens 0:21:14.090,0:21:16.720 and these kinds of things 0:21:16.720,0:21:20.029 and then you get people with really legitimate[br]stories 0:21:20.029,0:21:22.639 and there is a kind of constant balance 0:21:22.639,0:21:24.100 and we really had to learn how to 0:21:24.100,0:21:25.659 assess these. 0:21:25.659,0:21:28.360 And luckily we had amazing support from 0:21:28.360,0:21:30.840 investigative journalists, particularly from 0:21:30.840,0:21:33.320 whistle-blower platforms who have experience 0:21:33.320,0:21:36.169 with this and help us. 0:21:36.169,0:21:38.869 But that's just part of the game. 0:21:38.869,0:21:41.529 Okay, I think this is our other learning, 0:21:41.529,0:21:42.480 that we realised, that 0:21:42.480,0:21:43.850 at the end of this week, 0:21:43.850,0:21:45.549 there really is a need for this. 0:21:45.549,0:21:54.039 There is a need to respond to kind of 0:21:54.039,0:21:54.789 discourse that's out there 0:21:54.789,0:21:55.509 and create a new one 0:21:55.509,0:21:57.269 and then there is also really a need to 0:21:57.269,0:22:01.009 provide this kind of support and 0:22:01.009,0:22:03.149 actually reach out to people who are 0:22:03.149,0:22:06.970 trapped in these structures and want to get[br]out. 0:22:06.970,0:22:08.759 So we've been working really hard and trying 0:22:08.759,0:22:12.639 to build up networks of support with people 0:22:12.639,0:22:14.059 who have legal skills, 0:22:14.059,0:22:17.940 who have psychological training 0:22:17.940,0:22:19.990 and who can also help, if people want to 0:22:19.990,0:22:22.289 get out and leak or blow the whistle, 0:22:22.289,0:22:23.230 who can help with that. 0:22:23.230,0:22:26.480 So we kind of at the moment when people come 0:22:26.480,0:22:29.450 we are trying to direct them to the right[br]resources. 0:22:29.450,0:22:30.269 Because of cause we're not 0:22:30.269,0:22:32.409 a whistle blowing platform. 0:22:32.409,0:22:36.480 And we are not a legal organisation, 0:22:36.480,0:22:37.919 so we can't provide a lot of things, 0:22:37.919,0:22:40.269 but we have good networks and we can try 0:22:40.269,0:22:44.619 and connect people with them. 0:22:44.619,0:22:50.059 So what's coming next? 0:22:50.059,0:22:51.409 We are trying to build up our infrastructure 0:22:51.409,0:22:54.629 so that people can actually have a very secure[br]way 0:22:54.629,0:22:55.929 to contact us. 0:22:55.929,0:22:58.419 We are building up this network of support 0:22:58.419,0:23:02.100 and we want to create a list of future 0:23:02.100,0:23:03.730 employers for people who actually do leave 0:23:03.730,0:23:05.759 the secret services so that they can find 0:23:05.759,0:23:08.169 places to get jobs afterwards. 0:23:08.169,0:23:09.490 And we want to continue doing more 0:23:09.490,0:23:11.200 outreach and more campaigning on this issue 0:23:11.200,0:23:16.600 and I think that that is our main goal. 0:23:16.600,0:23:20.490 applause 0:23:20.490,0:23:22.340 That's a safe within a safe, 0:23:22.340,0:23:26.240 which is now part of our kind of secure 0:23:26.240,0:23:28.159 infrastructure in our offices, 0:23:28.159,0:23:30.499 thanks to the support of very experienced 0:23:30.499,0:23:32.299 and knowledgeable expert people 0:23:32.299,0:23:35.149 who can help us set up the kind of 0:23:35.149,0:23:38.639 the best way for people to kind of 0:23:38.639,0:23:42.460 to enter the risk assessment to enter the 0:23:42.460,0:23:46.700 best means of communicating with us. 0:23:46.700,0:23:49.070 And then on our outreach plans 0:23:49.070,0:23:53.659 we really want to create a way to talk to 0:23:53.659,0:23:56.830 people who're working in the secret services 0:23:56.830,0:23:59.110 for an every day person in this audience 0:23:59.110,0:24:02.559 or on the stage just to call up the NSA 0:24:02.559,0:24:05.509 or the BND or the GCHQ and get through 0:24:05.509,0:24:07.289 to someone who is sitting in their office 0:24:07.289,0:24:09.340 on their phone and have a conversation 0:24:09.340,0:24:10.919 with them like callcenter-style. 0:24:10.919,0:24:13.909 You know like: How are you doing today? 0:24:13.909,0:24:16.330 Can we talk about your job? 0:24:16.330,0:24:20.019 How do you feel about working at the 0:24:20.019,0:24:25.519 secret services? 0:24:25.519,0:24:28.129 We want to create an anonymous reaching 0:24:28.129,0:24:30.639 system for someone to call completely 0:24:30.639,0:24:34.470 anonymously to a set of numbers 0:24:34.470,0:24:39.080 which we can't reveal the source of 0:24:39.080,0:24:44.200 and to reach out to these people. 0:24:44.200,0:24:47.110 So of course we need support and help. 0:24:47.110,0:24:53.649 And these are all the things you can help[br]us with. 0:24:53.649,0:24:56.659 If you got skills, we need all kinds of skills, 0:24:56.659,0:25:00.539 we need skills to build up this call center 0:25:00.539,0:25:03.070 operation of ours, so that people can actually 0:25:03.070,0:25:07.710 anonymously call and we can have something 0:25:07.710,0:25:10.830 that is very exciting and we can premier at 0:25:10.830,0:25:11.489 events. 0:25:11.489,0:25:13.179 So that you can actually have 0:25:13.179,0:25:17.149 call center operations on stage calling up 0:25:17.149,0:25:19.820 doing it live. 0:25:19.820,0:25:22.289 And then we also need people who will 0:25:22.289,0:25:25.659 translate our materials. 0:25:25.659,0:25:26.720 We would like to get them into other 0:25:26.720,0:25:30.059 languages, we only have English and German[br]atm. 0:25:30.059,0:25:32.379 And we would like to kind of reach out more 0:25:32.379,0:25:35.320 internationally. 0:25:35.320,0:25:37.840 And if you've got connections, 0:25:37.840,0:25:39.460 well that's also always good, 0:25:39.460,0:25:42.919 if you've got people who are lawyers, 0:25:42.919,0:25:46.129 who have experience working with people 0:25:46.129,0:25:49.460 who are either in trauma or 0:25:49.460,0:25:51.419 people who have been in the secret service 0:25:51.419,0:25:53.919 for example. 0:25:53.919,0:25:55.799 Legal skills, psychological skills, 0:25:55.799,0:25:57.679 journalists - we need all those kinds of 0:25:57.679,0:25:59.239 connections in different jurisdictions. 0:25:59.239,0:26:03.039 We are pretty well set up in Berlin and 0:26:03.039,0:26:05.919 in Germany, but we really need help 0:26:05.919,0:26:09.090 in the UK and the US as well for now. 0:26:09.090,0:26:10.889 And then if you've got ideas for outreach 0:26:10.889,0:26:12.879 for new actions we are also really open 0:26:12.879,0:26:14.330 to hearing those. 0:26:14.330,0:26:16.279 We've got the call center idea at the moment. 0:26:16.279,0:26:17.070 Calling up the spies. 0:26:17.070,0:26:20.980 We want new ideas and if you know people 0:26:20.980,0:26:22.509 who are working there just have that 0:26:22.509,0:26:24.100 conversation with them. 0:26:24.100,0:26:26.710 Just start a conversation about you know, 0:26:26.710,0:26:28.770 ethics of the workplace. 0:26:28.770,0:26:34.989 applause 0:26:34.989,0:26:38.289 And now... the big question... 0:26:38.289,0:26:45.539 And I even do that to say how important it[br]is. 0:26:45.539,0:26:47.759 If you like Peng!'s work we are not ashamed 0:26:47.759,0:26:49.409 any more. We were ashamed for a long time 0:26:49.409,0:26:49.970 to ask for money, 0:26:49.970,0:26:51.509 but we're not ashamed any more. 0:26:51.509,0:26:54.350 We live of idealism alone, people, 0:26:54.350,0:26:57.320 and we need help to keep our actions going! 0:26:57.320,0:26:59.200 This year I think we did 6 actions or something 0:26:59.200,0:27:03.950 really large campaigns and we need help to 0:27:03.950,0:27:06.619 kind of support our infrastructure, 0:27:06.619,0:27:09.289 to support our staff, 0:27:09.289,0:27:12.480 to support our projects more than anything, 0:27:12.480,0:27:16.580 so that we can keep on doing what we are doing. 0:27:16.580,0:27:19.049 So we've developed a way for you to become 0:27:19.049,0:27:22.230 a monkey donator which I highly recommend 0:27:22.230,0:27:26.450 great feelings of positivity and love will 0:27:26.450,0:27:28.830 travel with you for many years after 0:27:28.830,0:27:35.299 you have done this. 0:27:35.299,0:27:37.399 Mother Theresa said: 0:27:37.399,0:27:39.100 If you can't feed a hundred penguins, 0:27:39.100,0:27:40.669 then just feed one." 0:27:40.669,0:27:43.629 So, feed one of us! 0:27:43.629,0:27:45.470 Even if it's just like the pinky finger of 0:27:45.470,0:27:49.429 one of us and sign up for a year to 0:27:49.429,0:27:51.330 keep seeing great action coming out 0:27:51.330,0:27:54.070 from Peng! 0:27:54.070,0:27:55.200 And that's me. 0:27:55.200,0:27:57.169 And we've got one more thing, 0:27:57.169,0:28:01.919 surprise![br]Where are you? Hello! 0:28:01.919,0:28:03.989 So we have one other way to donate, 0:28:03.989,0:28:05.289 which is that you can buy one of the 0:28:05.289,0:28:07.149 awesome Intelexit T-shirts, 0:28:07.149,0:28:09.379 which Paul is gonna come here and model 0:28:09.379,0:28:13.029 for us quickly. 0:28:13.029,0:28:15.950 laughing and applause 0:28:15.950,0:28:19.460 And there's a run for your life! 0:28:19.460,0:28:20.609 That's the kind of lame one... 0:28:20.609,0:28:24.409 but these ones are cool! 0:28:24.409,0:28:26.840 Thank you! 0:28:26.840,0:28:30.609 Are we meeting afterwards? 0:28:30.609,0:28:31.999 I think we're going to have... 0:28:31.999,0:28:33.019 We don't have time for questions 0:28:33.019,0:28:33.669 and answers now. 0:28:33.669,0:28:35.080 But we really want to get feedback 0:28:35.080,0:28:35.499 from people. 0:28:35.499,0:28:38.029 I think there is an IRC Chat or Radio happening, 0:28:38.029,0:28:39.509 but if people want to come we're going 0:28:39.509,0:28:41.090 to meet. 0:28:41.090,0:28:43.580 Where are we meeting? 0:28:43.580,0:28:45.290 In front! 0:28:45.290,0:28:47.139 laughing 0:28:47.139,0:28:50.980 Of this huge hall. 0:28:50.980,0:28:51.940 Can someone give me a location, 0:28:51.940,0:28:54.470 I only got here today... 0:28:54.470,0:28:55.799 Can you give us a location? 0:28:55.799,0:28:56.989 Herald: Okay, So it's sensible to meet 0:28:56.989,0:28:58.269 at the tea tent I suppose. 0:28:58.269,0:28:58.940 Gloria: Tea tent! 0:28:58.940,0:28:59.619 In 15 minutes! 0:28:59.619,0:29:02.139 Herald: In front of hall 2, there is a big[br]tea tent, 0:29:02.139,0:29:05.249 where you get tea, where you also 0:29:05.249,0:29:06.820 meet many other people who are working 0:29:06.820,0:29:08.649 in this direction therefore, right? 0:29:08.649,0:29:09.289 Gloria: Yes! 0:29:09.289,0:29:11.679 Herald: And I have one question still, 0:29:11.679,0:29:14.789 because you told we can support on the Internet 0:29:14.789,0:29:17.850 is there also a way to donate anonymously? 0:29:17.850,0:29:20.960 Gloria: Well, you can donate with bitcoin 0:29:20.960,0:29:22.759 or you can just give us cash. 0:29:22.759,0:29:25.480 Herald: Everybody, big piles of cash, 0:29:25.480,0:29:27.749 bring them here! 0:29:27.749,0:29:32.299 Gloria: Not saying no to cash... 0:29:32.299,0:29:33.639 Herald: Thank you, Gloria! 0:29:33.639,0:29:34.970 Gloria: Ah, they got a bag! 0:29:34.970,0:29:37.779 Herald: And there is a bag for cash! 0:29:37.779,0:29:39.239 laughing 0:29:39.239,0:29:41.909 Gloria: You can put it in very anonymously[br]here. 0:29:41.909,0:29:46.499 laughing 0:29:46.499,0:29:49.600 Herald: Bring your blocking for your face 0:29:49.600,0:29:52.340 if you really want to be anonymous. 0:29:52.340,0:29:53.960 Thank you, Gloria! 0:29:53.960,0:29:55.259 Everybody who wants to come, 0:29:55.259,0:29:56.350 please go to the tea tent! 0:29:56.350,0:30:02.392 applause 0:30:02.392,0:30:06.172 music 0:30:06.172,0:30:14.000 subtitles created by c3subtitles.de[br]Join, and help us!