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Angel: Now I am very happy to have you all here
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for the next talk on a really important topic.
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And we all called last year for
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more creative campaigns on all our issues,
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that we talk about here at congress.
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And so the Peng! Collective thought about a
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really creative campaign that also got
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a lot of attention in the last year.
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And because they call for all
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the intelligence officers to really exit
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their careers and to find some other
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more valuable service to our society,
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I'm very honoured to introduce
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Gloria Spindle to you,
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who is a former Google nest employee,
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—You might remember that great campaign—[br]
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and will now present the "Intelexit" to you.
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Thank you! Your Applause!
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applause
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silence on the audio stream
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Gloria: Hello!
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And hello to all the live streaming people[br]out there as well.
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Blubb blubb we can see you!
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I hear they're a lot, maybe more than[br]what's in this room.
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All the lights are dimming.
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Okay, so! I don't know if anyone else
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is as interested in the parts
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of the Snowdon documents as I am,
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which are the kind of little cultural titbits[br]that you find that give you a sense of
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what it's like to be within the Secret Service.
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I'm really kind of fascinated[br]by this particular gentleman.
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The SIGINT Philosopher, who was a columnist
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for the NSA on the internal news letter
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and he is really quite creative
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and he writes a lot of pieces
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about the ethical quandaries of working[br]in the Secret Services.
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And most of them end with just like:
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"You should just like keep your head down[br]and you should just keep doing
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what you're supposed to be doing,
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'cause that's the best way to go ahead[br]and protect your county."
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So this quote is really the kind of crux
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of what the “Intelexit” Initiative[br]is founded on.
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We recognise that people who are working
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in the Secret Services, and I'm sure
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some of you in the audience tonight
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are working in the Secret Services
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— pretty certain there are some disgruntled, maybe unhappy,
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maybe ethically confused people[br]working in spy agencies,
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maybe you're just a contractor
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and you feel like: Oh I'm not so involved,
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but I still feel like[br]I have blood on my hands.
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And those are the people[br]that “Intelexit” is talking to.
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very mild applause
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That was like have a clap.[br]I mean come on, people!
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applause
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Thank you! Thank you! Jesus!
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Don't be afraid of clapping!
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So those are the people that “Intelexit”[br]is really talking to.
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And we wanted to reach out to those people,
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because there hasn't been a campaign yet[br]that has actually recognised,
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that they are humans working,
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thousands and thousands of people
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going every day to their surveillance jobs,[br]operating drones
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and even the people who are just
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answering emails or you know pushing paper,
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running the photocopy machine,[br]if they even have those.
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— Who knows what they have in there —
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Those People,[br]they are people who obviously
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have ethical issues about working
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in these systems
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and feel responsible[br]for mass surveillance,
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drone warfare and the slow, maybe fast,
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degradation of democracy as we know it.
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So, introducing “Intelexit”!
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applause
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So what Intelexit does is
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it's an initiative, a civil initiative
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grounded in the idea that we[br]need to find a way
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to support people who want to leave
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their jobs at the Secret Services
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and we need to normalise[br]the idea of quitting.
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applause
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Because actually it's a very just and
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sometimes honourable thing to do,
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just to follow your ethics and
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give up your job,
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if you don't feel like you're contributing[br]to society in a good way.
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applause
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So that’s why Intelexit pitch.
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Some of you might know:
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I'm from Peng! as it was introduced earlier
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and we are known for our hoaxes
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and our media hacks and our culture jamming.
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So intelexit is been a really, really[br]interesting campaign for us
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and I’ll explain it as I go.
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Because of course you see it's a bit of
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performance and it's a bit of humour
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but it's also very serious at the same time.
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So, just to introduce Peng! to you,
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for those who don't know.
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Here we were... this was at re:publica
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impersonating Google managers and
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presenting some really creepy,
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data collecting products.
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A personal drone for daily life,
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an app that monitors your well-being,[br]emotional well being,
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and matches you with other people[br]who also need a hug
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and creepy thing about that is most
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of this distopian visions have now actually
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come to light and are existing
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in the real world today.
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Actually people do use drones[br]to follow their children to school.
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That's a real thing.
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So and here we are impersonating the[br]leading party of Germany
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and here we are in live television,[br]cracking an egg over the head of a presenter
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of a very dodgy television program
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and this was our program to self....
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provide self help for trolls,[br]sexist trolls on twitter
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and that was our self help coach.
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We had a bot army which was analyse...
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we had a language analysis[br]happening on twitter
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and then we had an army of 160 bots
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which were going out and enrolling trolls
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on twitter into our self help program
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and sending them nice inspirational videos
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every day to help cure them.
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applause
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So as you can see we have a...
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we utilise a range[br]of tactics and techniques
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in what we call campaigning.
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Some people call it art,[br]some people call it theatre,
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some people call it a joke,[br]some call it entertainment,
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but we see it as campaigning[br]and what we are constantly trying to do
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is to shift the narrative.[br]We look at...
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shift the narrative around[br]various social justice issues.
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We look at issues we think that really need
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a kind of different spin[br]happening in the media
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and we take them and find a way to[br]reframe them and then we push them out
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and hope that we get a lot of attention.
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So we started looking at the issue of
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surveillance and the Secret Services.
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And, well, quickly one runs into the obstacle
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of how do you talk about this.
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Like we have this clichés of, you know,
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the eye and, you know, Edward Snowden’s face
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and we have these visuals that kind of
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don't really mean anything anymore
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and everyone really struggles[br]to actually understand
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what the issue means and how do we talk about
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the Secret Services,[br]when they're completely inaccessible to us?
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So this a photo, for example, of the regulations
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for taking photographs at Fort Meade.
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You see, you’re not really allowed[br]to take photographs of the buildings.
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So if you start with that as a kind of metaphor
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for the inaccessibility of the Secret Services
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to our general culture.
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We don't even have visuals for them.
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We've got like one photo of the NSA[br]that floats around the internet
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and just gets repurposed and repurposed.
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We can't access these people,
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we can't access their structures,[br]we can't access their information.
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Yes we have leaks now,[br]but how do we actually open it up more?
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And that was the question,[br]we kept asking ourselves.
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You've got this issue of intangibility
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and then you also got the issue that
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everything is so secret.
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I mean even if a Christmas card[br]is sent internally in the NSA,
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it's classified as top secret.
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Then you've got technology which is so complicated
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the general public can't understand it
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and it's like all these acronyms and these
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weird flow charts and bad design
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and it's just really complicated.
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And then of course there is fear.
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And Fear is really crippling for activists
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like ourselves, for civil society.[br]It is really difficult.
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We don't want to broach this issue.
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We don't want to step into it,
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because it's scary,[br]because once you step into it,
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it means that you are[br]a target, of course.
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And also, funny enough, fear is also the way
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the narrative is often shaped.
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This is what we use,[br]to try and raise awareness
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about surveillance.[br]We make people afraid.
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We, you know, we talk about this invincible,
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dark danger of surveillance[br]creeping in on us.
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No one knows,[br]if they’re being watched or not.
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And this, we think, is a narrative[br]that really needs to be shifted.
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So we wanted to find a way to bring hope,
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to bring a positive image to this narrative
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and also to bring it down to humans
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like not to talk about technology,
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not to talk about these[br]dark and complex systems
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but to talk about the people
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and talk to the people who are upholding[br]these structures.
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So this is what we came up with:
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off-voice from video:[br]Right now, thousands of people work
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in the shadows[br]of the intelligence community.
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They don't ask questions.
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They follow orders.
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Keep their heads down,
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do their work.
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But what happens,[br]when you see something you can't forget?
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And you realise that the system you are
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part of is chipping away our democracy
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every hour, every day.
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You feel stuck,[br]overwhelmed.
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Some people have already made[br]the decision to leave.
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Others are thinking about it every day.
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Intelexit helps people break free[br]from the intelligence community
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and build a new life.
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You expose yourself within the system,
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you ultimately end up[br]being forced out of the system.
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I remember confronting my immediate supervisor
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the number 3 person: What are we doing?
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We are violating the constitution!
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– Many Secret Service employees are disillusioned.
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– Why are we taking equipment
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—it is traditionally for foreign facing,[br]outward facing—
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and we're now instrumenting our networks
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within the United States of America?
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- If you're surveilling the population,[br]you're all on the same side.
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Right? You want all the data and you want to[br]talk to people who have the most data.
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So the NSA is a[br]nexus of surveillance for the world.
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– It's what ever you can get away with.
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That was part of the "game".
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And whatever would serve[br]as the interest of "national security".
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– When one is forced to act against one's[br]moral values, they can experience
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extreme levels of[br]what we call cognitive dissonance.
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– I was radioactive because[br]I'm questioning what are we doing.
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Where do you then go?[br]Where does your life then …
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Where do you recreate your life?
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– What Intelexit does is help individuals
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transition from the world on the inside
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to the world on the outside.
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– The more you can move[br]from the inside to the outside,
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the better you'll integrate[br]into the real world.
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– What is really great about Intelexit is[br]that it helps people to confront their fears.
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– So take it from me:
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If you're looking to get out,[br]try Intelexit!
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– Be smart. Exit intelligence now.
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roaring applause
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I was really impressed[br]with Bruce Schneier there.
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Bruce Schneier is just amazing without end.
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I mean, who knew he had those talents?
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Someone take him to acting school.
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Like, it's amazing!
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Okay, so then we made the video,
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but of course we knew, we know[br]that the people that we are talking to
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the spies, are some of the[br]most introverted people in the world.
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And probably some of them the people
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most stuck in a filter bubble in the world.
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So we knew we had to kind of[br]take our preach further
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and we had to go to where they are.
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So you know we thought big and we pretended
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we just forgot about that we didn't really[br]have a budget.
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And so we just hired a van.[br]Because that's what you do.
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So we just hired this van and drove around
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Fort Meade and the NSA buildings,
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tried as much as we could to get[br]as close as possible to them as we could.
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applause
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So this is outside Lockheed Martin
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on a national business parkway.
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The main area of all the NSA contractors
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and they are really best friend with the NSA[br]and now they started making drones as well.
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They’ve been supplying technology[br]to the military and the CIA and NSA forever.
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So that’s us parked outside there,[br]giving them a strong moral punch
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with the slogan.
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And then we went to one of the most popular
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cafes where NSA officers and contractors[br]like to go for lunch.
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This Café JOE.[br]And we parked out there
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during lunch time as well.
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applause
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And then of course, because you can't talk
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about the Secret Services in one country[br]without talking about the other ones,
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'cause they are all in bed with each other,
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we of course had to go to the UK as well.
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So here we are outside the "Donut" and[br]this is us trying …
0:15:09.100,0:15:12.330
okay, to be honest [br]laughing
0:15:12.330,0:15:15.360
that's trying to hand out flyer, brochures[br]to the people.
0:15:15.360,0:15:16.510
Like that was our plan.
0:15:16.510,0:15:19.290
We were gonna hand them out[br]to the employees on their way to work.
0:15:19.290,0:15:21.990
And they were just like imitates engine roar[br]they had, like, been briefed..
0:15:21.990,0:15:24.330
or I don't know.[br]They were just ignoring us.
0:15:24.330,0:15:27.000
And also maybe we didn't brief that guy
0:15:27.000,0:15:33.010
very well on what to dress[br]as an Intelexit ambassador.
0:15:33.010,0:15:38.500
And then we hit all the …[br]laughter in the audience
0:15:38.500,0:15:44.190
applause
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This is outside the Dagger Complex in Germany.
0:15:46.800,0:15:49.580
One of the lesser known spots for the NSA
0:15:49.580,0:15:51.490
where they kind of have a central hub
0:15:51.490,0:15:54.430
for the signal's intelligence[br]gathering in Europe,
0:15:54.430,0:15:56.490
it's been written about in the Spiegel.
0:15:56.490,0:16:00.730
Very secret, very difficult[br]to get there as well.
0:16:00.730,0:16:02.530
And there we are, again,[br]from the other side.
0:16:02.530,0:16:07.480
And that is the antenna[br]from the Dagger Complex.
0:16:07.480,0:16:09.680
And then we also went to Wiesbaden,
0:16:09.680,0:16:13.840
which is the traditional[br]home of the US military in Germany
0:16:13.840,0:16:16.300
And the Clay Kaserne Building!
0:16:16.300,0:16:19.740
This is where supposedly, forthcoming
0:16:19.740,0:16:22.240
is going to be[br]one of the NSA’s biggest buildings
0:16:22.240,0:16:25.310
and operations in Europe,[br]also all very secret.
0:16:25.310,0:16:27.340
No one knows what's going on.
0:16:27.340,0:16:31.830
And then we went to the[br]US Embassy in Berlin.
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And this for non German speakers just says:
0:16:35.040,0:16:36.380
"Enough with paranoia!"
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This is why we had the like[br]dadaistic pineapple on there.
0:16:39.130,0:16:43.260
"We’re helping you to[br]get out of the Secret Services!"
0:16:43.260,0:16:45.990
And then we went to the[br]German Secret Services as well.
0:16:45.990,0:16:49.160
This is there new office block,[br]the Bundesnachrichtendienst
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applause
0:16:51.510,0:16:56.130
and we also went[br]to the old offices, just in case.
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laughter and applause
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And then we went to …[br]—we did a lot in a week—
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we went to the Verfassungsschutz which is
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the domestic intelligence in Germany.
0:17:07.789,0:17:12.459
And this is located in Köln,[br]to remind them about
0:17:12.459,0:17:17.499
—so the Verfassungsschutz actually[br]stands for roughly translated in English is:
0:17:17.499,0:17:19.599
Protectors of the constitution—
0:17:19.599,0:17:21.398
and in order to remind them about[br]the constitution
0:17:21.398,0:17:24.219
we stuck the constitution on their wall there.
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applause
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And then there they are ripping it up.
0:17:32.460,0:17:35.390
This was like a dream we had[br]for a very long time
0:17:35.390,0:17:38.530
and finally we have realized it. laughing
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And then we thought we take a bigger step...
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music
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laughter in the audience
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music
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applause in the audience
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According to sources, Intelexit website
0:18:35.710,0:18:41.510
was blocked on the internal network[br]after that dropped.
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So that was our week and that was Intelexit.
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And I just want to[br]share a few learnings with you,
0:18:50.969,0:18:53.299
because it was a very[br]interesting campaign for us
0:18:53.299,0:18:55.950
and one of a kind, really.
0:18:55.950,0:18:58.649
So I think the first thing[br]on a very kind of
0:18:58.649,0:19:01.399
just basic level is that it is possible
0:19:01.399,0:19:05.230
to talk about this issue[br]without creating fear,
0:19:05.230,0:19:07.799
without making everyone, you know,
0:19:07.799,0:19:10.879
really worried about their information
0:19:10.879,0:19:13.780
and the data and their general feeling[br]of well-being.
0:19:13.789,0:19:15.909
There is a way of kind of shift the narrative
0:19:15.909,0:19:19.460
and look more at the outside and stop
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holding the defensive.
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Okay, then second thing is that
0:19:27.019,0:19:29.940
they are just as good in faking as we are.
0:19:29.940,0:19:33.510
This was the response from the GCHQ to a
0:19:33.510,0:19:39.550
journalist question for an article about[br]Intelexit, which is amazing,
0:19:39.550,0:19:42.070
because they basically just said[br]that they don’t do
0:19:42.070,0:19:45.200
anything unlawful and they actively encourage
0:19:45.200,0:19:47.639
staff to discuss any concerns that they have
0:19:47.639,0:19:51.379
inside, which we all know is not true.
0:19:51.379,0:19:53.590
And they also they really pride themselves
0:19:53.590,0:19:57.209
on the structures they have in place[br]to support this.
0:19:57.489,0:20:01.199
So I think this was[br]the biggest surprise for us.
0:20:01.199,0:20:02.809
Like we are always dealing in this kind of
0:20:02.809,0:20:05.330
projecting of either utopias or distopias
0:20:05.330,0:20:06.749
out into the world
0:20:06.749,0:20:09.480
and sometimes when you have a vision
0:20:09.480,0:20:11.099
and you project something out,
0:20:11.099,0:20:13.059
actually it kind of turns into reality.
0:20:13.059,0:20:14.700
And that's what happened.
0:20:14.700,0:20:16.330
You know, we played this line of
0:20:16.330,0:20:18.619
yes it's sort of a fake, but at the same time
0:20:18.619,0:20:20.830
we really mean what we’re putting out here.
0:20:20.830,0:20:24.269
Yes, we actually think there should be[br]an Intelexit Foundation created.
0:20:24.269,0:20:26.090
And there should be loads of money
0:20:26.090,0:20:28.159
flowing in for people who want to get out.
0:20:28.159,0:20:30.589
And there should be a civil way to exit.
0:20:30.589,0:20:32.179
applause
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But, you know, what can we do?
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We're just like a small art collective
0:20:37.070,0:20:38.940
in Berlin. You know.
0:20:38.940,0:20:41.559
We can make a big wave, but we're
0:20:41.559,0:20:44.090
quite limited on our resources.
0:20:44.090,0:20:45.769
But actually we got responses,
0:20:45.769,0:20:49.129
we got people coming to us
0:20:49.129,0:20:50.610
and that was a real surprise
0:20:50.610,0:20:56.119
and we realised we have[br]a lot of responsibility, too.
0:20:56.119,0:20:58.259
And so, this is the other learning that
0:20:58.259,0:21:00.760
there is no clear line[br]between insanity and reality.
0:21:00.760,0:21:02.970
So you kind of constantly, when you get
0:21:02.970,0:21:04.919
people contacting you this like,
0:21:04.919,0:21:06.990
of course you get people who think that
0:21:06.990,0:21:08.529
they are pursued by the CIA
0:21:08.529,0:21:11.889
or think that they used to work at the secret[br]service
0:21:11.889,0:21:14.090
and then there is people who talk to aliens
0:21:14.090,0:21:16.720
and these kinds of things
0:21:16.720,0:21:20.029
and then you get people with really legitimate[br]stories
0:21:20.029,0:21:22.639
and there is a kind of constant balance
0:21:22.639,0:21:24.100
and we really had to learn how to
0:21:24.100,0:21:25.659
assess these.
0:21:25.659,0:21:28.360
And luckily we had amazing support from
0:21:28.360,0:21:30.840
investigative journalists, particularly from
0:21:30.840,0:21:33.320
whistle-blower platforms who have experience
0:21:33.320,0:21:36.169
with this and help us.
0:21:36.169,0:21:38.869
But that's just part of the game.
0:21:38.869,0:21:41.529
Okay, I think this is our other learning,
0:21:41.529,0:21:42.480
that we realised, that
0:21:42.480,0:21:43.850
at the end of this week,
0:21:43.850,0:21:45.549
there really is a need for this.
0:21:45.549,0:21:54.039
There is a need to respond to kind of
0:21:54.039,0:21:54.789
discourse that's out there
0:21:54.789,0:21:55.509
and create a new one
0:21:55.509,0:21:57.269
and then there is also really a need to
0:21:57.269,0:22:01.009
provide this kind of support and
0:22:01.009,0:22:03.149
actually reach out to people who are
0:22:03.149,0:22:06.970
trapped in these structures and want to get[br]out.
0:22:06.970,0:22:08.759
So we've been working really hard and trying
0:22:08.759,0:22:12.639
to build up networks of support with people
0:22:12.639,0:22:14.059
who have legal skills,
0:22:14.059,0:22:17.940
who have psychological training
0:22:17.940,0:22:19.990
and who can also help, if people want to
0:22:19.990,0:22:22.289
get out and leak or blow the whistle,
0:22:22.289,0:22:23.230
who can help with that.
0:22:23.230,0:22:26.480
So we kind of at the moment when people come
0:22:26.480,0:22:29.450
we are trying to direct them to the right[br]resources.
0:22:29.450,0:22:30.269
Because of cause we're not
0:22:30.269,0:22:32.409
a whistle blowing platform.
0:22:32.409,0:22:36.480
And we are not a legal organisation,
0:22:36.480,0:22:37.919
so we can't provide a lot of things,
0:22:37.919,0:22:40.269
but we have good networks and we can try
0:22:40.269,0:22:44.619
and connect people with them.
0:22:44.619,0:22:50.059
So what's coming next?
0:22:50.059,0:22:51.409
We are trying to build up our infrastructure
0:22:51.409,0:22:54.629
so that people can actually have a very secure[br]way
0:22:54.629,0:22:55.929
to contact us.
0:22:55.929,0:22:58.419
We are building up this network of support
0:22:58.419,0:23:02.100
and we want to create a list of future
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employers for people who actually do leave
0:23:03.730,0:23:05.759
the secret services so that they can find
0:23:05.759,0:23:08.169
places to get jobs afterwards.
0:23:08.169,0:23:09.490
And we want to continue doing more
0:23:09.490,0:23:11.200
outreach and more campaigning on this issue
0:23:11.200,0:23:16.600
and I think that that is our main goal.
0:23:16.600,0:23:20.490
applause
0:23:20.490,0:23:22.340
That's a safe within a safe,
0:23:22.340,0:23:26.240
which is now part of our kind of secure
0:23:26.240,0:23:28.159
infrastructure in our offices,
0:23:28.159,0:23:30.499
thanks to the support of very experienced
0:23:30.499,0:23:32.299
and knowledgeable expert people
0:23:32.299,0:23:35.149
who can help us set up the kind of
0:23:35.149,0:23:38.639
the best way for people to kind of
0:23:38.639,0:23:42.460
to enter the risk assessment to enter the
0:23:42.460,0:23:46.700
best means of communicating with us.
0:23:46.700,0:23:49.070
And then on our outreach plans
0:23:49.070,0:23:53.659
we really want to create a way to talk to
0:23:53.659,0:23:56.830
people who're working in the secret services
0:23:56.830,0:23:59.110
for an every day person in this audience
0:23:59.110,0:24:02.559
or on the stage just to call up the NSA
0:24:02.559,0:24:05.509
or the BND or the GCHQ and get through
0:24:05.509,0:24:07.289
to someone who is sitting in their office
0:24:07.289,0:24:09.340
on their phone and have a conversation
0:24:09.340,0:24:10.919
with them like callcenter-style.
0:24:10.919,0:24:13.909
You know like: How are you doing today?
0:24:13.909,0:24:16.330
Can we talk about your job?
0:24:16.330,0:24:20.019
How do you feel about working at the
0:24:20.019,0:24:25.519
secret services?
0:24:25.519,0:24:28.129
We want to create an anonymous reaching
0:24:28.129,0:24:30.639
system for someone to call completely
0:24:30.639,0:24:34.470
anonymously to a set of numbers
0:24:34.470,0:24:39.080
which we can't reveal the source of
0:24:39.080,0:24:44.200
and to reach out to these people.
0:24:44.200,0:24:47.110
So of course we need support and help.
0:24:47.110,0:24:53.649
And these are all the things you can help[br]us with.
0:24:53.649,0:24:56.659
If you got skills, we need all kinds of skills,
0:24:56.659,0:25:00.539
we need skills to build up this call center
0:25:00.539,0:25:03.070
operation of ours, so that people can actually
0:25:03.070,0:25:07.710
anonymously call and we can have something
0:25:07.710,0:25:10.830
that is very exciting and we can premier at
0:25:10.830,0:25:11.489
events.
0:25:11.489,0:25:13.179
So that you can actually have
0:25:13.179,0:25:17.149
call center operations on stage calling up
0:25:17.149,0:25:19.820
doing it live.
0:25:19.820,0:25:22.289
And then we also need people who will
0:25:22.289,0:25:25.659
translate our materials.
0:25:25.659,0:25:26.720
We would like to get them into other
0:25:26.720,0:25:30.059
languages, we only have English and German[br]atm.
0:25:30.059,0:25:32.379
And we would like to kind of reach out more
0:25:32.379,0:25:35.320
internationally.
0:25:35.320,0:25:37.840
And if you've got connections,
0:25:37.840,0:25:39.460
well that's also always good,
0:25:39.460,0:25:42.919
if you've got people who are lawyers,
0:25:42.919,0:25:46.129
who have experience working with people
0:25:46.129,0:25:49.460
who are either in trauma or
0:25:49.460,0:25:51.419
people who have been in the secret service
0:25:51.419,0:25:53.919
for example.
0:25:53.919,0:25:55.799
Legal skills, psychological skills,
0:25:55.799,0:25:57.679
journalists - we need all those kinds of
0:25:57.679,0:25:59.239
connections in different jurisdictions.
0:25:59.239,0:26:03.039
We are pretty well set up in Berlin and
0:26:03.039,0:26:05.919
in Germany, but we really need help
0:26:05.919,0:26:09.090
in the UK and the US as well for now.
0:26:09.090,0:26:10.889
And then if you've got ideas for outreach
0:26:10.889,0:26:12.879
for new actions we are also really open
0:26:12.879,0:26:14.330
to hearing those.
0:26:14.330,0:26:16.279
We've got the call center idea at the moment.
0:26:16.279,0:26:17.070
Calling up the spies.
0:26:17.070,0:26:20.980
We want new ideas and if you know people
0:26:20.980,0:26:22.509
who are working there just have that
0:26:22.509,0:26:24.100
conversation with them.
0:26:24.100,0:26:26.710
Just start a conversation about you know,
0:26:26.710,0:26:28.770
ethics of the workplace.
0:26:28.770,0:26:34.989
applause
0:26:34.989,0:26:38.289
And now... the big question...
0:26:38.289,0:26:45.539
And I even do that to say how important it[br]is.
0:26:45.539,0:26:47.759
If you like Peng!'s work we are not ashamed
0:26:47.759,0:26:49.409
any more. We were ashamed for a long time
0:26:49.409,0:26:49.970
to ask for money,
0:26:49.970,0:26:51.509
but we're not ashamed any more.
0:26:51.509,0:26:54.350
We live of idealism alone, people,
0:26:54.350,0:26:57.320
and we need help to keep our actions going!
0:26:57.320,0:26:59.200
This year I think we did 6 actions or something
0:26:59.200,0:27:03.950
really large campaigns and we need help to
0:27:03.950,0:27:06.619
kind of support our infrastructure,
0:27:06.619,0:27:09.289
to support our staff,
0:27:09.289,0:27:12.480
to support our projects more than anything,
0:27:12.480,0:27:16.580
so that we can keep on doing what we are doing.
0:27:16.580,0:27:19.049
So we've developed a way for you to become
0:27:19.049,0:27:22.230
a monkey donator which I highly recommend
0:27:22.230,0:27:26.450
great feelings of positivity and love will
0:27:26.450,0:27:28.830
travel with you for many years after
0:27:28.830,0:27:35.299
you have done this.
0:27:35.299,0:27:37.399
Mother Theresa said:
0:27:37.399,0:27:39.100
If you can't feed a hundred penguins,
0:27:39.100,0:27:40.669
then just feed one."
0:27:40.669,0:27:43.629
So, feed one of us!
0:27:43.629,0:27:45.470
Even if it's just like the pinky finger of
0:27:45.470,0:27:49.429
one of us and sign up for a year to
0:27:49.429,0:27:51.330
keep seeing great action coming out
0:27:51.330,0:27:54.070
from Peng!
0:27:54.070,0:27:55.200
And that's me.
0:27:55.200,0:27:57.169
And we've got one more thing,
0:27:57.169,0:28:01.919
surprise![br]Where are you? Hello!
0:28:01.919,0:28:03.989
So we have one other way to donate,
0:28:03.989,0:28:05.289
which is that you can buy one of the
0:28:05.289,0:28:07.149
awesome Intelexit T-shirts,
0:28:07.149,0:28:09.379
which Paul is gonna come here and model
0:28:09.379,0:28:13.029
for us quickly.
0:28:13.029,0:28:15.950
laughing and applause
0:28:15.950,0:28:19.460
And there's a run for your life!
0:28:19.460,0:28:20.609
That's the kind of lame one...
0:28:20.609,0:28:24.409
but these ones are cool!
0:28:24.409,0:28:26.840
Thank you!
0:28:26.840,0:28:30.609
Are we meeting afterwards?
0:28:30.609,0:28:31.999
I think we're going to have...
0:28:31.999,0:28:33.019
We don't have time for questions
0:28:33.019,0:28:33.669
and answers now.
0:28:33.669,0:28:35.080
But we really want to get feedback
0:28:35.080,0:28:35.499
from people.
0:28:35.499,0:28:38.029
I think there is an IRC Chat or Radio happening,
0:28:38.029,0:28:39.509
but if people want to come we're going
0:28:39.509,0:28:41.090
to meet.
0:28:41.090,0:28:43.580
Where are we meeting?
0:28:43.580,0:28:45.290
In front!
0:28:45.290,0:28:47.139
laughing
0:28:47.139,0:28:50.980
Of this huge hall.
0:28:50.980,0:28:51.940
Can someone give me a location,
0:28:51.940,0:28:54.470
I only got here today...
0:28:54.470,0:28:55.799
Can you give us a location?
0:28:55.799,0:28:56.989
Herald: Okay, So it's sensible to meet
0:28:56.989,0:28:58.269
at the tea tent I suppose.
0:28:58.269,0:28:58.940
Gloria: Tea tent!
0:28:58.940,0:28:59.619
In 15 minutes!
0:28:59.619,0:29:02.139
Herald: In front of hall 2, there is a big[br]tea tent,
0:29:02.139,0:29:05.249
where you get tea, where you also
0:29:05.249,0:29:06.820
meet many other people who are working
0:29:06.820,0:29:08.649
in this direction therefore, right?
0:29:08.649,0:29:09.289
Gloria: Yes!
0:29:09.289,0:29:11.679
Herald: And I have one question still,
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because you told we can support on the Internet
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is there also a way to donate anonymously?
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Gloria: Well, you can donate with bitcoin
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or you can just give us cash.
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Herald: Everybody, big piles of cash,
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bring them here!
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Gloria: Not saying no to cash...
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Herald: Thank you, Gloria!
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Gloria: Ah, they got a bag!
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Herald: And there is a bag for cash!
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laughing
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Gloria: You can put it in very anonymously[br]here.
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laughing
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Herald: Bring your blocking for your face
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if you really want to be anonymous.
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Thank you, Gloria!
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Everybody who wants to come,
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please go to the tea tent!
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applause
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music
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