[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.81,0:00:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I am literally\Nshaking and crying right now. Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.89,0:00:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't believe MatPat has done this. Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.26,0:00:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is nothing in this world sacred anymore? Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.64,0:00:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is no work of art\Nfree from this man's grasp? Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.90,0:00:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh god… I can't do this. Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.91,0:00:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could MatPat really say all\Nthose things about The Canterbury Tales? Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.06,0:00:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What did Chaucer\Never do to deserve this? Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.85,0:00:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, sure, that deathbed confession\Nright at the end felt pretty contrived, Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.82,0:00:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but The Wife of Bath's Tale has given us\Nprecious insight into the role of women Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.68,0:00:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the late middle ages. Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.73,0:00:39.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He probably even thinks\NThe Decameron is better written… Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.78,0:00:40.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pathetic. Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.40,0:00:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone has to\Nstand up against this monster. Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.24,0:00:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone has to tear his fu-- Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.64,0:00:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh shit… Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.67,0:00:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he gave me a shout-out. Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.75,0:00:49.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um… Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.78,0:00:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,… Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.49,0:00:51.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thanks! Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.53,0:01:06.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Game Theorists have finally put out\Na Hollow Knight lore video, Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.95,0:01:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and MatPat himself uttered my name with\Nhis own two lips. Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.30,0:01:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The capitalization in the video is wrong:\N"MossBag" is supposed to be all lowercase. Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.11,0:01:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean it's literally\Nhow I start every video… but that's okay. Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.82,0:01:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm still cool with it. Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.21,0:01:22.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks to MatPat, Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.28,0:01:25.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my original Hollow Knight lore video\Nfinally hit 1,000,000 views. Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.14,0:01:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And more importantly, I\Ngained over 1,000 new followers on Twitter Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.57,0:01:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so now even more\Npeople can read my reviews of Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.88,0:01:34.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each and every\Nepisode of King of the Hill. Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.22,0:01:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also great to see a video about\NHollow Knight trend on YouTube. Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.05,0:01:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This community really has come a long way. Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.67,0:01:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But, as cool as all that is, Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.58,0:01:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat's theory is… pretty bad. Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.42,0:01:51.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, I may not have\N11,000,000 subscribers like MatPat does, Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.87,0:01:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and no, I've never given\Na copy of Undertale to the Pope, Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.23,0:01:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I did sent the Dalai Lama\Na copy of my Rick and Morty spec script, Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.95,0:02:01.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am something of a theorist myself, Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.46,0:02:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I think I am qualified\Nto make a response to this new video. Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.59,0:02:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And no, this isn't\Nsome sort of take down video. Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.97,0:02:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm already mortal enemies\Nwith VaatiVidya and Indeimaus. Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.61,0:02:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't need a third YouTuber coming after\Nme, Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.28,0:02:18.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if MatPat has defiled the sanctity of\Nour fandom with his Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.47,0:02:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely terrible and Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.12,0:02:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}abhorrently offensive{\i0}… Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.30,0:02:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fuck. Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.56,0:02:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This isn't going well... Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.36,0:02:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should just restart the video. Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.53,0:02:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's some context\Nif you're just joining in: Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.23,0:02:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Hollow Knight community's\Nreaction to this new video has been... Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.55,0:02:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty negative. Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.12,0:02:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mainly because there are\Na lot of perceived flaws in the theory. Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.55,0:02:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a result, there are some people saying\Nthat the Hollow Knight fanbase is "toxic." Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.14,0:02:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yeah, {\i1}maybe{\i0} my initial reaction to\NMatPat's video could be perceived as... Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.53,0:02:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... {\i1}rude?{\i0} Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.62,0:02:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you have to understand that being an\Nasshole is just part of my online schtick. Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.07,0:02:59.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a completely original\Nand clever concept, I know. Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.26,0:03:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in general,\NI don't think this community is too toxic. Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.55,0:03:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of us are just a little defensive\Nabout the lore, that's all. Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.76,0:03:09.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it is important to remember that, at\Nthe end of the day, Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.94,0:03:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat is just a guy who wanted to talk\Nabout Hollow Knight, Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.22,0:03:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've got nothing against that. Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.21,0:03:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just gives me an excuse to\Ntalk about this game even more. Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.56,0:03:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That being said, Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.76,0:03:23.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I reckon it's time to get out the propane\Nand propane accessories, boys and girls... Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.87,0:03:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're about to\Nburn this theory to the ground. Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.29,0:03:32.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you haven't seen the Game Theorists'\Nvideo yet, I recommend you check it out. Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.70,0:03:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to go\Nthrough all of MatPat's arguments Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.24,0:03:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm not going\Nto play his whole video through, Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.57,0:03:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you'll have to watch it\Nyourself if you want the full context. Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.01,0:03:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then, you can watch this video Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.62,0:03:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and come to your own\Nconclusion about Hollow Knight's lore. Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.40,0:03:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The issue on debate here has to do with\Nthe nature of the Knight Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.40,0:03:50.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the whereabouts of the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.68,0:03:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat's theory is that the Knight is\Nactually the Pale King, reincarnated. Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.72,0:04:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] We are supposedly just another\None of those failed experiments, Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.40,0:04:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except... I don't\Nthink that's the case here. Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.61,0:04:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you stop and dig through the Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.02,0:04:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}massive{\i0} amounts of secret lore\Nhidden throughout this game, Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.96,0:04:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's my belief that\Nwe're {\i1}not{\i0} just some random nobody. Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.74,0:04:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are, in fact, royalty. Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.20,0:04:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A king. Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.96,0:04:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}The{\i0} King, in fact. Dialogue: 0,0:04:17.59,0:04:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's my belief that in Hollow Knight,\Nwe're playing as the Pale King himself. Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.10,0:04:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] This isn't a new theory. Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.88,0:04:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's been around for a while, Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.41,0:04:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I've never really talked\Nabout it here on this channel. Dialogue: 0,0:04:29.25,0:04:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are several\Nproblems with this theory, Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.31,0:04:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the biggest one\Nbeing the lack of evidence. Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.40,0:04:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of the evidence that\NMatPat will present in this video Dialogue: 0,0:04:36.22,0:04:39.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be interpreted in\Nways that make much more sense Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.00,0:04:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when put in a different context. Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.19,0:04:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second; there are pieces of\Nevidence that contradict this theory. Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.73,0:04:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can poke a lot of small\Nholes into MatPat's timeline here, Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.11,0:04:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a few bigger ones as well...\Nwith the biggest hole being that Dialogue: 0,0:04:51.23,0:04:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you literally see the Knight\Nwith the Pale King, in the same room. Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.24,0:04:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm getting ahead of myself. Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.22,0:04:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's start with MatPat's first argument: Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.47,0:05:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The higher being tablets in the King's \NPass, which all begin with the phrase, Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.23,0:05:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Higher beings, these\Nwords are for you alone." Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.63,0:05:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These tablets are very mysterious, Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.60,0:05:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't think that there is\Nreally a consensus on what they mean. Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.84,0:05:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One theory I see a lot is that these\Ntablets were left here for the vessels, Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.80,0:05:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a way to teach them how to focus SOUL. Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.15,0:05:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then why did the Pale King leave a\Nlore tablet like this in the Ancient Basin Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.02,0:05:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the Howling Cliffs? Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.57,0:05:26.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't contain information\Nthat would be pertinent to them, Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.53,0:05:29.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some of these tablets seem\Nto predate the creation of the vessels. Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.89,0:05:32.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another theory is that\Nthe tablets are addressed to the bugs Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.71,0:05:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were granted higher thought\Nthrough the Pale King's beacon. Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.42,0:05:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem with that theory is that the\Ntablets teach you how to focus SOUL, Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.04,0:05:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which doesn't seem to be\Na thing that regular bugs can do. Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.00,0:05:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At least, not easily. Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.89,0:05:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Personally I believe this\Nexplanation is the correct one, Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.72,0:05:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but my thoughts\Non it are super speculative. Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.33,0:05:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've linked a document\Nbelow if you want to check it out. Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.20,0:05:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah, these tablets\Nare quite mysterious indeed. Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.32,0:05:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But for MatPat's argument, Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.72,0:06:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all that really matters\Nis the fact that the Knight can read them, Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.85,0:06:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though they are stated\Nas being intended for only higher beings. Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.89,0:06:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat explains that\Nhigher beings are godlike creatures, Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.10,0:06:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentioning the Reddit AMA post\Nand the Kingsoul charm description. Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.16,0:06:13.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I agree with Matt here. Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.82,0:06:18.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then mentions that pretty much\Nonly higher beings can manipulate SOUL. Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.02,0:06:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] The tablet even says, quote: Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.92,0:06:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You shall achieve feats\Nof which others can only dream." Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.81,0:06:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, setting apart SOUL-users Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.12,0:06:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like our Knight Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.32,0:06:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from pretty much every other creature\Nthat we encounter throughout this game. Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.28,0:06:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, MatPat does say\N"pretty much every other creature," Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.75,0:06:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I can't say he's wrong, Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.40,0:06:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there are examples of\Ncreatures that can manipulate SOUL Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.62,0:06:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that aren't higher beings. Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.69,0:06:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two examples of this\Nwould be the snail shamans Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.90,0:06:46.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the scholars of the Soul Sanctum. Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.26,0:06:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The snail shaman gives the\NKnight the Vengeful Spirit [spell], Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.86,0:06:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another SOUL spell can be found near\Nanother shaman in the Overgrown Mound. Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.37,0:06:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The higher being tablet in the King's Pass\Nteaches the Knight how to {\i1}focus{\i0} SOUL. Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.96,0:07:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We see the word "focus"\Nagain in the Ancestral Mound, Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.73,0:07:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there is a whispering\Nroot that gives the Dream Nail dialogue, Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.93,0:07:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"…Spiral focus…" Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.50,0:07:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this is referring to how the\Nshaman can focus SOUL to cast spells, Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.88,0:07:12.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like the Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.12,0:07:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word "spiral" probably\Nrefers to the spiral of the snail shell Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.20,0:07:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the shaman is wearing. Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.95,0:07:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, the nature of the\Nsnail shamans is a little sketchy, Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.82,0:07:23.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seemingly tied to the void somehow, Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.48,0:07:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I don't think they are higher beings. Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.03,0:07:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, the bugs of the Soul\NSanctum are definitely not higher beings. Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.97,0:07:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were able to learn how to manipulate\NSOUL through diligent practice and study, Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.54,0:07:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as a result their minds have begun\Nto swell and ache… Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.71,0:07:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's not really an ideal situation. Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.74,0:07:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(YOU DON'T SAY) Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.99,0:07:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the Soul Sanctum, Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.13,0:07:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a lore tablet that also mentions\Ntheir desire to attain a "pure focus," Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.04,0:07:49.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and while they may not have been totally\Nsuccessful, Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.53,0:07:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these bugs have proven that they were\Ncapable of manipulating SOUL. Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.38,0:07:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the specific focus ability that the\NKnight learns from the lore tablet Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.37,0:08:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not specific to just this vessel. Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.19,0:08:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During the Pure Vessel fight, Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.72,0:08:04.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Hollow Knight uses a move that's\Ndescribed in the game's code Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.77,0:08:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as being a focus ability. Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.90,0:08:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this ability doesn't appear to separate\Nthe Knight from the other vessels. Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.42,0:08:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But ultimately, I don't think this really\Nhurts the point MatPat is trying to make: Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.64,0:08:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that being that\Nthe Knight is a higher being. Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.49,0:08:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] So not only are we reading\Ntablets reserved for higher beings, Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.38,0:08:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we're also using skills reserved for\Nthe godlike creatures of the world Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.41,0:08:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on par with the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.33,0:08:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does it really sound like\Nwe'd just be some failed experiment Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.98,0:08:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cast into the depths of this world? Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.14,0:08:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I think it's possible that the\NKnight is a higher being in some regard, Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.94,0:08:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that doesn't mean the Knight has to be\Na reincarnation of the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.76,0:08:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Knight, the Hollow Knight,\Nand the other vessels Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.19,0:08:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the offspring of the Pale King and\Nthe White Lady. Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.21,0:08:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of evidence for this. Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.48,0:08:52.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the White Lady, who literally\Ncalls the Knight her "spawn;" Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.09,0:08:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the line "Born of God and Void," from\Nthe birthplace cutscene, Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.59,0:09:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alludes to the vessels being born from\Nthe White Lady and the Pale King, Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.03,0:09:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then being corrupted by the Void; Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.80,0:09:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there's the fact that the Pale King\Nand the White Lady had a quote-unquote… Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.52,0:09:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}"Union."{\i0} Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.25,0:09:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ 'Let's Get It On' by Marvin Gaye ♪] Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.57,0:09:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think MatPat is arguing against\Nthis point, Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.73,0:09:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but calling the\NKnight a "failed experiment" Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.83,0:09:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could lead people\Nto believe that the vessels Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.92,0:09:24.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really aren't the\NPale King's biological children. Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.05,0:09:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Granted, Grimm does\Ncall the Knight a "craft," Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.82,0:09:31.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is possibly just referring to how\Nthe vessels are a combination Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.30,0:09:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the spawn of higher beings Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.96,0:09:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mixed with the influence of Void. Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.41,0:09:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another big piece of\Nevidence for this is the fact that Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.01,0:09:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the achievement you get\Nfor defeating the Hollow Knight Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.58,0:09:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Hornet by your side\Nis called "Sealed Siblings." Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.47,0:09:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This confirms that the Knight and Hornet\Nare siblings, Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.63,0:09:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we know that Hornet is the daughter of\Nthe Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.25,0:09:53.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the White Lady mentions that the\NPale King had sex with Hera the Beast. Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.07,0:09:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ 'Let's Get It On" by Marvin Gaye ♪] Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.08,0:09:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only does this strengthen the argument Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.08,0:09:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the vessels were the literal children\Nof the Pale King, Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.90,0:10:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it also pretty much confirms that the\NKnight {\i1}specifically{\i0} Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.75,0:10:04.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a child of the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.52,0:10:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which, by the way, debunks MatPat's\Nwhole theory. Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.84,0:10:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,… So I guess we could end the video now. Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.81,0:10:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ 'Obstacle Course'\NYoshi's Island SSBU Ver. ♪] Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.42,0:10:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I was saying, Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.67,0:10:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being the literal children\Nof two higher beings would suggest Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.53,0:10:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Knight and all the other\Nvessels are also higher beings as well. Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.20,0:10:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is hinted at for the Hollow Knight at\Nleast Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.43,0:10:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the hunters journal entry for the\NPure Vessel, Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.83,0:10:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which mentions that it has a "holy shell." Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.26,0:10:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't think this attribute separates\Nthe Knight as being unique Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.67,0:10:32.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compared to the other vessels. Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.52,0:10:35.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an argument you're going to hear\Nme use a lot in this video. Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.73,0:10:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of the connections MatPat makes\Nbetween the Knight and the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.31,0:10:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be explained by remembering that the\NKnight is the Pale King's child. Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.52,0:10:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason we should interpret it this way Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.52,0:10:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is because the game explicitly {\i1}tells{\i0} us\Nthat the Knight is the Pale King's child, Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.32,0:10:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while there really isn't anything telling\Nus that they're the same person. Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.01,0:10:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After this argument, MatPat brings up the\Nvery beginning of the game: Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.89,0:10:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The "Elegy For Hallownest." Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.09,0:11:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat first mentions that the poem itself\Nisn't about Hallownest Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.09,0:11:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but is instead about the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.11,0:11:06.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] You don't know it\Nwhen you start the game, Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.87,0:11:09.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this poem is about the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.65,0:11:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] So this poem is called "Elegy\NFor Hallownest" Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.91,0:11:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the poem itself seems to be addressed\Nto a person, Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.19,0:11:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it's not a stretch to think that the \Npoem is Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.32,0:11:20.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually talking about the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.36,0:11:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hallownest is the Pale King's kingdom, Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.36,0:11:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything that Hallownest offered to\Ntravellers was because of the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.40,0:11:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The two are so closely entwined that the\Npoem is pretty much saying the same thing Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.54,0:11:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless of if its addressed to the\Npersonified version of Hallownest Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.17,0:11:35.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to the Pale King himself. Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.08,0:11:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat then goes into what the\Npoem means when it says that the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.55,0:11:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"tamed savage souls\Nand redeemed base instincts." Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.79,0:11:44.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] In the beginning of the game's\Nlore, Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.64,0:11:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all bugs were basically a hivemind\Ncontrolled by the moth god, Radiance. Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.15,0:11:52.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Pale King was the one who expanded\Nthe minds of bugs, Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.63,0:11:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,giving them individuality and sapience, Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.26,0:11:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing them, as the poem says, Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.26,0:11:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"a world that they had never dreamed." Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.55,0:12:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] There really isn't any evidence\Nthat the Radiance's control was widespread Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.11,0:12:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before the Pale King's arrival. Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.28,0:12:06.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not saying it's impossible, Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.86,0:12:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but another possibility is that the bugs\Ndidn't have individuality or sapience Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.23,0:12:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they were living in a wasteland Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.30,0:12:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar to what we\Nsee outside of Hallownest. Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.69,0:12:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those bugs don't have minds, as it would\Nbe a weakness out in the wild, Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.60,0:12:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when the Pale King showed up, he\Nestablished a kingdom Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.34,0:12:24.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and expanded the minds of these bugs. Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.06,0:12:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He also drew the\Nattention of the moth tribe, Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.33,0:12:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were at the\Ntime worshipping the Radiance Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.52,0:12:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but ended up yeeting her out of their\Nmemory, Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.65,0:12:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,causing her to be sealed away. Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.20,0:12:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The infection and the hivemind might have\Nbeen the result Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.87,0:12:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Radiance's imprisonment. Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.58,0:12:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As the Moss Prophet explains, "To stifle\Nthat light is to suppress nature. Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.00,0:12:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nature suppressed distorts, plagues us." Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.90,0:12:47.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This implies that the infection is a\Nbyproduct Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.03,0:12:48.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Radiance being sealed away. Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.02,0:12:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This makes more sense to me than the\NRadiance already having bugs Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.94,0:12:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enslaved in a hivemind, and then the Pale\NKing just strolled in and saved them. Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.00,0:12:58.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean if you look at what is happening in\Nthis animation… Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.74,0:13:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't really make sense, does it? Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.89,0:13:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the Pale King can\Njust cure infection like this, Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.28,0:13:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then what's the point of all the stuff\Nthat happens later with the vessels? Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.61,0:13:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] It's important to note, too, that\Nthis isn't just a poem {\i1}about{\i0} the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.61,0:13:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's directed {\i1}to{\i0} the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.10,0:13:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"{\i1}Your{\i0} name." Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.08,0:13:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"{\i1}You{\i0} the challenge met." Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.45,0:13:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then what do we see appear on screen\Njust moments later? Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.18,0:13:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.94,0:13:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be one thing if the poem was just\Nabout the Pale King, Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.94,0:13:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the fact that it's directed at him Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.00,0:13:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just seconds before\Nwe actually see our character Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.39,0:13:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes it seem like the designers Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.94,0:13:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are drawing a parallel between this king\Nof legend Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.77,0:13:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our first appearance on screen. Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.49,0:13:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are the "you" in that poem. Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.67,0:13:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] … Except there's a whole other\Ncutscene in between this poem Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.47,0:13:41.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when we see the Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.90,0:13:45.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By this logic, this means that the {\i1}Hollow\NKnight{\i0} is the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.18,0:13:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean technically we do see Zote moments\Nafter this poem. Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.86,0:13:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few {\i1}thousand{\i0} moments, maybe… but the\Nprinciple still applies. Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.19,0:13:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even if the intro cutscene with the\NKnight appeared right after the poem, Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.73,0:13:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still wouldn't find it very compelling. Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.14,0:14:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we are entering Hallownest, Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.26,0:14:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the poem is talking about Hallownest Dialogue: 0,0:14:04.82,0:14:06.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or at least the person who built it, Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.79,0:14:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so why does the Knight have to be factored\Ninto this at all? Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.71,0:14:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's move on to Elderbug. Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.28,0:14:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot of places you can look to\Nfind information about the Pale King… Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.72,0:14:16.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Elderbug is not one of them. Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.85,0:14:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you'll see, I don't think MatPat's\Ninterpretations of Elderbug's dialogue Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.33,0:14:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes any sense. Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.10,0:14:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat argues that Elderbug's dialogue\Nabout dreams Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.64,0:14:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hints at the Knight being the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.20,0:14:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] The usage of the\Nword "dreams" is important, Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.62,0:14:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since at the beginning of the game, not\Nknowing the lore of this world, Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.96,0:14:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we all assume it's just our knight\Npursuing the dream of wealth or fame, Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.91,0:14:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like the Elderbug says. Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.62,0:14:45.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But late in the game we get ourselves an\Nitem called the Dream Nail, Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.01,0:14:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is how we\Nunlock memories of the past, Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.07,0:14:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ultimately defeat the Radiance inside\Nthe mind of Hollow Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.38,0:14:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's also the tool that allows us to find\Nthe Pale King's White Palace. Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.29,0:14:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a place that is\Nliterally hidden in dreams. Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.79,0:15:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So like Elderbug says, we are\Nseeking our dreams Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.26,0:15:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in perhaps a very literal sense, Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.84,0:15:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is especially true if we are playing\Nas the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.18,0:15:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] The Knight goes to a lot of\Ndifferent places in the dream world, Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.96,0:15:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I don't know what\Nmakes the White Palace so special. Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.67,0:15:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This interpretation also ignores the rest\Nof the Elderbug's dialogue. Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.50,0:15:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elderbug goes on to warn about the\Ninfection below, and finishes by saying, Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.50,0:15:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Perhaps dreams aren't\Nsuch great things after all." Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.57,0:15:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This dialogue makes sense if we link it\Nback to the Radiance. Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.77,0:15:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Radiance's infection begins by\Nplaguing the dreams of a bug Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.14,0:15:33.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until their will becomes enslaved. Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.31,0:15:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the achievement unlocked for\Nbeating the Radiance is called Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.51,0:15:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Dream No More." Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.94,0:15:41.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think this line makes much more sense\Nif we interpret it as being Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.00,0:15:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a warning about the Radiance. Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.91,0:15:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we interpret those extra lines using\NMatPat's reading, Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.58,0:15:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the Elderbug is telling us not to go\Nto the White Palace, I guess? Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.96,0:15:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, it's worth noting that the Elderbug\Nmentions dreams again, Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.46,0:15:56.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you dream nail him\Nafter giving him the Delicate Flower, Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.38,0:16:00.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remarking, "Perhaps dreams\Naren't such bad things after all…" Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.43,0:16:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this just shows how the Knight has\Nrestored hope in Elderbug, Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.73,0:16:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar to how it restores hope for\NHallownest… Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.91,0:16:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or something like that. Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.66,0:16:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat's next point has to do with the\NElderbug's dialogue Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.40,0:16:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you initially ignore\Nhim at the start of the game, Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.26,0:16:15.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then come back. Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.67,0:16:17.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He'll mention that\Nhe thought he saw a ghost. Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.15,0:16:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] If we are indeed the Pale King\Nreturning to a land that we once abandoned Dialogue: 0,0:16:22.59,0:16:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would indeed be a ghost from the past. Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.71,0:16:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's another potentially really clever\Nplay on words that I appreciated. Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.41,0:16:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I reading too much into this? Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.20,0:16:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe, but again this is clearly a team \Nwho has themselves a literary flair, Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.27,0:16:38.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who like to make you really think\Nabout the words that they're using. Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.76,0:16:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] So MatPat's reading too much\Ninto this. Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.60,0:16:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, to be fair, the word "ghost" might\Nactually be hinting at Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.83,0:16:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Knight's true nature. Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.77,0:16:50.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word ghost is only used nine other\Ntimes in the game, Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.21,0:16:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of which are from Hornet when talking\Nto the Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.02,0:16:55.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hornet calls the Knight a "ghost" because\Nit is the dead shell Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.100,0:16:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a child of the Pale King and \NWhite Lady Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.32,0:17:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has been\Nhollowed out and animated by Void. Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.24,0:17:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So maybe Elderbug's dialogue is alluding\Nto that, Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.33,0:17:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I still think this is just a common\Nexpression the Elderbug is using. Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.27,0:17:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The next part of MatPat's video has to do\Nwith how the Knight is recognized Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.62,0:17:14.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a few different people as being\Nrelated to the King. Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.91,0:17:16.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First up is the White Lady: Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.77,0:17:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] During one of your interactions\Nwith the White Lady, Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.34,0:17:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AKA the Queen, Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.40,0:17:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she outright says to the Knight, Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.11,0:17:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Is it more than just a vessel? Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.16,0:17:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel like once again I am\Nin the presence of my beloved Wyrm." Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.69,0:17:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wyrm being another name for the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.02,0:17:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] This dialogue only appears\Nwithin a certain context Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.88,0:17:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that MatPat fails to mention. Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.14,0:17:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This dialogue is triggered after\Nthe Knight collects the Kingsoul charm. Dialogue: 0,0:17:38.77,0:17:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This charm is described as symbolizing a\Nunion between two higher beings, Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.57,0:17:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pieces of this charm can be found in\Nthe possession of both the White Lady Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.18,0:17:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Pale King's corpse. Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.47,0:17:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So part of this charm literally came from\Nthe Pale King, Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.65,0:17:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means it's no surprise that the\NWhite Lady thinks of him Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.38,0:17:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the Knight has it, and only\Nwhen the Knight has it. Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.59,0:18:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also, when talking to the White Lady with\Nthe Grimmchild charm fully upgraded, Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.33,0:18:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she says this: Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.55,0:18:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Success then for the scarlet heart, and\Nirony to use my spawn to grow its own." Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.97,0:18:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She literally calls the Knight her "spawn" Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.18,0:18:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I don't think the Knight\Nis supposed to be her husband. Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.26,0:18:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now don't get me wrong, I'm into some\Nkinky shit, Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.16,0:18:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but even I think that's too much, man. Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.76,0:18:20.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] And she's not the only one who\Ngets Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.79,0:18:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kingly vibes from the Player Character. Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.04,0:18:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The White Defender, Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.31,0:18:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the Pale King's five main knights, Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.48,0:18:29.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also has interesting dialogue. Quote: Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.18,0:18:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Your noble bearing\Nreminds me of our dear King." Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.36,0:18:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's two of the King's closest\Nrelations Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.52,0:18:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being reminded of their dearly departed\Nwhen they interact with us. Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.13,0:18:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] You don't need to have the\NKingsoul to fight the White Defender, Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.38,0:18:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but notice how toned down this line is\Nfrom what the White Lady said. Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.04,0:18:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The White Defender says the Knight reminds\Nhim of the Pale King, which makes sense, Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.19,0:18:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,considering the fact that\Nthe Knight is the child of the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.05,0:18:56.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Matt then mentions the royal retainers,\Nand how they bow to the Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.80,0:18:59.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] Ten out of ten royal retainers\Ncan't be wrong: Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.53,0:19:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are royalty, plain and simple. Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.24,0:19:05.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] Now some\Npeople in the comments section Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.03,0:19:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were arguing that they only bow if the\NKnight has the King's Brand, Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.53,0:19:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's not true. Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.96,0:19:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They bow regardless. Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.54,0:19:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an argument I've seen a lot from\Nthe people who disagree with MatPat: Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.39,0:19:18.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That most of the characters being reminded\Nof the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.07,0:19:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when looking at the Knight Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.35,0:19:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be explained via the King's Brand. Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.41,0:19:23.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you can reach the White Defender Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.43,0:19:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the White Palace Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.46,0:19:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without the King's Brand. Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.14,0:19:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To my knowledge, the only character Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.81,0:19:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confirmed to explicitly mistake the Knight Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.86,0:19:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Pale King due to the King's Brand Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.04,0:19:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is Eternal Emelitia. Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.78,0:19:37.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it doesn't really matter that the\NKnight doesn't have the King's Brand, Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.11,0:19:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you can still argue that the\Nroyal retainers are bowing Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.28,0:19:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the Knight\Nis related to the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.84,0:19:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are statues of the Hollow Knight in\Nthe White Palace, after all. Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.20,0:19:49.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which could mean that they revered the\Nvessels as well as the Pale King, Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.66,0:19:53.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there are a lot of questions\Nsurrounding the royal retainers. Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.29,0:19:54.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you dream nail them, Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.65,0:19:56.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they appear to be\Ntalking to the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.84,0:19:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They mention things like,\N"… We will wait… King…" Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.70,0:20:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, "…King… Your troubles… Let us…" Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.86,0:20:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another detail worth mentioning is that\Nthe royal retainers explode into essence Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.52,0:20:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they are killed, Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.52,0:20:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leaving no corpse behind. Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.14,0:20:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what should we make of this? Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.27,0:20:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems to me like these bugs are unaware Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.30,0:20:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Pale King is dead, Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.60,0:20:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are awaiting him to take some sort of\Naction, Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.03,0:20:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but are worried about his state of mind. Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.36,0:20:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The dream nail dialogue doesn't imply that\Nthey recognize the Knight as the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.36,0:20:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has finally returned, Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.86,0:20:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but again there's something weird going\Non with these guys. Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.57,0:20:30.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They seem to be living in the past, Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.55,0:20:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are not really\Nin a lucid state of mind. Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.14,0:20:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah, I think there's a lot of\Nmystery surrounding these guys, Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.10,0:20:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to sum this section up: Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.77,0:20:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still agree with MatPat's point here, Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.98,0:20:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that being that the Knight is royalty. Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.54,0:20:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, that doesn't help prove this\Nreincarnation theory, Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.01,0:20:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we know that the Knight is royalty Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.19,0:20:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through it being the Pale King's child. Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.75,0:20:53.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat then goes into a discussion Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.47,0:20:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how the Pale\NKing went from his first Wyrm form Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.36,0:20:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into his second bug form. Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.29,0:20:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This occurred at Kingdom's Edge, Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.83,0:21:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the Wyrm's\Ncorpse can still be found. Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.22,0:21:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A fat-ass caterpillar named Bardoon\Nexplains that when Wyrms die, Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.74,0:21:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they don't just die Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.09,0:21:09.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but actually transform\Ninto something else. Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.66,0:21:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] So Bardoon knows the Pale King\Nspawned out of the Wyrm, Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.18,0:21:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he clearly says that\Nthe kingdom is his doing, Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.42,0:21:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this line of "more transformation" Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.86,0:21:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seems to imply that the Pale King's death Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.22,0:21:23.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would only lead to yet another form. Dialogue: 0,0:21:23.30,0:21:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we think that Team Cherry put this line\Nin here for no reason? Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.26,0:21:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I THINK NOT. Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.00,0:21:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] Bardoon isn't saying\N"more transformation" Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.56,0:21:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in there'll be another transformation. Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.10,0:21:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's saying that death, for a Wyrm, Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.80,0:21:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is more {\i1}like{\i0} a transformation. Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.71,0:21:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now is there anything in the game\Nthat says the Pale King can or cannot Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.06,0:21:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transform a second time? Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.94,0:21:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,… Well, no. Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.29,0:21:46.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we don't really have any proof that\Nthe Pale King {\i1}did{\i0} transform Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.39,0:21:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into a third form. Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.61,0:21:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's look at the egg that the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.38,0:21:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hatched out of from the Wyrm. Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.28,0:21:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Page 111 of the Wanderer's\NJournal discusses this transition: Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.26,0:21:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What happened to the Wyrm from there\Nis a mystery; Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.75,0:22:00.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"it doesn't appear to have died there, Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.67,0:22:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"so perhaps it shed its gargantuan form Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.28,0:22:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and became something entirely different. Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.51,0:22:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Deep within the maw of the carcass, Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.23,0:22:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a pale, broken egg of some sort hints at\Nsuch a rebirth." Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.90,0:22:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This implies that the Pale King hatched\Nout of the egg Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.36,0:22:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside the cast-off shell of the Wyrm. Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.75,0:22:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how exactly does the Pale King's third\Nform materialize? Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.28,0:22:20.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We find his corpse on the throne, Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.99,0:22:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can't go inside of him to check if\Nthere's another egg in there somewhere. Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.30,0:22:26.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's the egg on the right hand side of\Nthe room, Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.85,0:22:30.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that doesn't really seem like\Nsomething a creature would hatch from. Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.24,0:22:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was probably even made before the Pale\NKing's second form died, Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.70,0:22:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since it appears to be written from his\Nperspective. Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.37,0:22:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But MatPat has his own theory about all\Nthis, Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.68,0:22:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so let's table this discussion for now. Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.95,0:22:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After talking about how the Pale King\Nmight have a third form, Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.13,0:22:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat begins to explain what Void is, Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.51,0:22:48.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it's found, and how it works. Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.58,0:22:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He draws our attention to the lore\Ntablet found in the Pale King's workshop. Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.07,0:22:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This tablet explains that the Void is\Nopposed to the Pale King, Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.01,0:22:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that Void contains a power to deny\Ntime itself. Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.37,0:22:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] This quote is interesting. Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.82,0:23:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Based on the clues in that workroom, Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.53,0:23:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as the game's bestiary, Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.21,0:23:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we know that the Pale King was using void\Nto create soldiers: Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.58,0:23:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Kingsmoulds and Wingmoulds that\Npopulate his White Palace. Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.91,0:23:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also know that he was using Void to\Ncreate Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.32,0:23:14.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the vessels intended\Nto trap the infection. Dialogue: 0,0:23:14.98,0:23:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Vessels like the Hollow Knight, Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.38,0:23:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would also include our character. Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.32,0:23:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this quote is referencing him using\Nthe Void for yet another purpose. Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.71,0:23:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A third purpose; Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.04,0:23:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not fighting the Radiance; Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.31,0:23:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not protecting his castle; Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.79,0:23:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but instead fighting time itself. Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.66,0:23:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wants to use the Void to achieve\Neternal life. Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.53,0:23:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For himself? Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.39,0:23:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For his kingdom? Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.26,0:23:35.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's unclear, Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.13,0:23:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it once again gives credence to the\Nidea that, Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.03,0:23:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his next life, Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.31,0:23:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would choose to rebirth himself as a\NVoid-based creature. Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.20,0:23:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One not bound by the restrictions of time. Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.85,0:23:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One just like our Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.12,0:23:50.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I kind of agree with a little\Nbit of this… Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.42,0:23:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not really. Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.02,0:23:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the purpose of "denying time"\Nrefers to the Radiance, Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.15,0:23:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who the Pale King is trying to stop Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.82,0:23:59.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to keep his kingdom lasting\Neternally. Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.54,0:24:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are several bits of dialogue to look\Nover here. Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.30,0:24:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both Hornet and the Hive Queen Vespa refer\Nto Hallownest as being in "perpetuation." Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.09,0:24:09.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or, in other words, "frozen in time." Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.70,0:24:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Monomon calls Hallownest\N"a world forever unchanging." Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.15,0:24:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both Hornet and the Mask Maker mention\Nthat the kingdom is in stasis. Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.01,0:24:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then we have the dialogue directly\Nconnecting all this to the Hollow Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.75,0:24:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The monuments to the Hollow Knight and\Nthe Dreamers Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.05,0:24:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mention that through their actions Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.93,0:24:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hallownest lasts eternal. Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.59,0:24:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The lore tablet in the White Palace\Nthrone room reads, Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.14,0:24:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Eternity in promise and charge in progeny\Ncursed." Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.95,0:24:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This line is likely referring to how the \NPale King Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.06,0:24:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,planned to keep his kingdom lasting\Neternally Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.17,0:24:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by somehow cursing his descendants. Dialogue: 0,0:24:39.62,0:24:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's exactly what he did: Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.41,0:24:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Hollow Knight is described by Hornet Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.32,0:24:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as being "our birth-cursed sibling," Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.36,0:24:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Hornet has dream nail dialogue during\Nthe Greenpath fight that reads, Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.26,0:24:51.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Only pity for your cursed kind." Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.88,0:24:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of this is done to hold back the\NRadiance. Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.47,0:24:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Radiance is alluded to as being a\Nforce of nature by Bardoon, Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.79,0:24:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Moss Prophet, Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.76,0:25:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Hive Queen Vespa. Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.37,0:25:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Radiance is the inevitable dawn Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.52,0:25:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will eventually\Nbreak over the horizon. Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.98,0:25:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now dev notes aren't necessarily canon, Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.03,0:25:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there are also dev notes explaining\Nthat the kingdom is in stasis, Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.38,0:25:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that the events of Hollow Knight take\Nplace over one long night. Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.97,0:25:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to recap: Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.25,0:25:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the "deny time" line from the\Ntablet in the Pale King's workshop Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.69,0:25:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is probably referring to how the Pale King\Nplanned to create a Vessel Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.11,0:25:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be used\Nto deny the arrival of the Radiance, Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.99,0:25:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,placing all of Hallownest\Nin some kind of stasis. Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.25,0:25:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing implies that the Pale King was\Ndoing this to himself. Dialogue: 0,0:25:31.28,0:25:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would argue that Void could never give\Nthe Pale King eternal life; Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.60,0:25:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Void is the power opposed, Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.34,0:25:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it would probably kill him if he tried\Nto fuse with it. Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.62,0:25:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After all, we know that the vessels were\Nkilled by the Void, Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.20,0:25:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since the White Lady mentions that the\NKnight died Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.48,0:25:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the birthplace where it was born. Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.44,0:25:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] Making this connection even more\Ninteresting Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.14,0:25:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the eggs. Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.06,0:25:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just outside the\NPale King's throne room Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.73,0:25:55.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a lore tablet\Nhoused inside of a black egg. Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.44,0:25:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A tablet that speaks of the ancient Wyrm Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.12,0:25:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,becoming the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.52,0:26:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems to suggest that this egg here is\Nwhere version 1.0 of the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.42,0:26:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hatched into its\Nupgraded form… as it were. Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.40,0:26:10.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now look at the birthplace of our\NKnight down in the Abyss: Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.63,0:26:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a similar black egg. Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.29,0:26:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Could it be where version 2.0 transformed\Nyet again? Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.57,0:26:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I don't believe the\Nphrase "The Wyrm becomes beacon" Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.72,0:26:21.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is talking about\Nthe Pale King's transformation. Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.23,0:26:25.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this sentence is about how the\NPale King expanded the minds of bugs. Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.12,0:26:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically, the Pale King was able to grant\Nbugs sapience through his beacon, Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.82,0:26:31.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we don't really\Nhave a lot of information on this. Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.49,0:26:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I had to guess, I'd say it might be\Nsome sort of metaphysical power. Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.82,0:26:39.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word beacon is used only\None other time in the whole game, Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.17,0:26:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's by the Godseeker. Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.72,0:26:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She says, "Even long departed, Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.94,0:26:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"we feel the afterglow of\Nthe God-power that sat this throne… Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.17,0:26:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It lays heavy upon this kingdom. Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.05,0:26:51.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"That lingering power alone was\Nbeacon enough to draw Us to Hallownest. Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.69,0:26:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How bright it must have been to mortal\Nbug stood before it." Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.16,0:26:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the afterglow of\Nthe Pale King's God-power Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.63,0:26:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,acted as a beacon for the Godseekers. Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.25,0:27:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this the same concept as the beacon\Nmentioned in the lore tablet? Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.87,0:27:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat appears to think "beacon" Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.86,0:27:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is another name\Nfor the Pale King's smaller form, Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.00,0:27:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I guess is possible, Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.80,0:27:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's kind of a weird name. Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.03,0:27:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I see this, Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.66,0:27:16.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't really think of this. Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.53,0:27:19.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a little\Nconfused by MatPat's next point. Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.32,0:27:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like I said earlier, Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.38,0:27:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's evidence to suggest that the egg\Nthe Pale King was hatched from Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.38,0:27:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is found in the cast-off shell Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.15,0:27:26.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Kingdom's Edge. Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.63,0:27:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here, MatPat is arguing that the egg in\Nthe throne room Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.67,0:27:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what the Pale King hatched from. Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.55,0:27:33.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's confusing to me is that Dialogue: 0,0:27:33.13,0:27:36.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earlier in the video, it's implied that\Nthe cast-off shell egg Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.16,0:27:38.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}was{\i0} what the Pale King hatched from. Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.24,0:27:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] It is clearly established in the\Nlore Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.49,0:27:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the King has\Nthe ability to transform. Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.21,0:27:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the Pale King form is actually\Nhis version 2.0. Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.23,0:27:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I don't know if there was some\Nmiscommunication Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.36,0:27:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between MatPat and one of his editors, Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.38,0:27:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if there was\Na script change or something, Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.46,0:27:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I figured I'd point this out because… Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.92,0:27:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's… Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.62,0:27:57.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}weird.{\i0} Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.59,0:27:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The video gets it right initially, Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.08,0:28:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but then contradicts itself a few minutes\Nlater. Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.96,0:28:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it seems unlikely that the Pale King\Nwas hatched Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.51,0:28:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the egg in the throne room, Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.03,0:28:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what exactly is going on with this egg? Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.73,0:28:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Honestly, I don't know. Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.02,0:28:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a few other eggs in the game Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.54,0:28:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that appear to store information similar\Nto this one. Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.05,0:28:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The egg-looking things\Nfound in the King's Pass, Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.37,0:28:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ancient Basin, and Black Egg are all lore\Ntablets. Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.46,0:28:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also know that the arcane eggs were\Nused to store information somehow. Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.17,0:28:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is this egg similar to those eggs in its\Ncreation and design? Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.75,0:28:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other hand, Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.56,0:28:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the floor here is similar\Nto the floor found in the Black Egg Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.70,0:28:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so maybe it's related to that. Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.50,0:28:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Regardless, Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.42,0:28:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it seems pretty unlikely that\Nthe Pale King was born from this egg, Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.24,0:28:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given that the Wanderer's Journal\Ndoes everything short of flat-out Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.01,0:28:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying he hatched from the egg in the\Ncast-off shell. Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.87,0:28:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, MatPat questions whether or not\Nthe Pale King's third form was born out of Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.87,0:28:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this egg in the Abyss; Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.51,0:28:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one our Knight was presumably born\Nfrom. Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.05,0:28:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where things go really\Noff the rails. Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.79,0:28:56.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember how I mentioned before that\Nthe Knight Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.02,0:28:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Pale King show up in the same room\Nat one point? Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.10,0:29:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well that happens in a cutscene that can\Nbe triggered Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.28,0:29:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after the Knight strikes its own\Nreflection on this egg Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.94,0:29:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Dream Nail. Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.36,0:29:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this sequence, Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.72,0:29:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Knight climbs to the top of the Abyss. Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.90,0:29:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they get there, Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.80,0:29:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they see the Pale King leaving Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.26,0:29:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alongside a younger version of the Hollow\NKnight Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.54,0:29:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that looks back before the Knight\Nplunges back into the darkness. Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.22,0:29:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After this cutscene Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.50,0:29:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Kingsoul charm turns into the\NVoid Heart, Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.84,0:29:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a charm required to unlock the four\Nalternate endings to the game. Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.44,0:29:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This cutscene is arguably one of the most\Nimportant moments in the game, Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.30,0:29:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing the Pale King at one of his lowest\Npoints Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.21,0:29:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,choosing to sacrifice his children to the\NVoid Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.79,0:29:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to create a pure vessel. Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.13,0:29:39.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of dialogue and symbolism\Nsurrounding this event, Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.51,0:29:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and none of it hints at the Pale King\Nbecoming the Knight. Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.59,0:29:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's look at the Kingsoul again. Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.49,0:29:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This charm symbolizes the union between\Ntwo higher beings. Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.83,0:29:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words, Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.13,0:29:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this charm represents the children of the\NPale King. Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.80,0:29:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When talking to the White Lady with this\Ncharm, Dialogue: 0,0:29:54.04,0:29:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she will tell the Knight to visit that\Nplace where it was born, Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.91,0:29:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it died, Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.01,0:29:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it all began. Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.78,0:30:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's referring to an area in the Abyss Dialogue: 0,0:30:01.57,0:30:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,described as a birthplace by the Kingsoul\Ncharm. Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.40,0:30:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this location, Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.54,0:30:07.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Knight finds its birthplace: Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.22,0:30:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an egg, connected to Void tendrils. Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.90,0:30:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After experiencing the birthplace\Ncutscene, Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.12,0:30:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Kingsoul turns into the Void Heart. Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.44,0:30:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is symbolic of the children of the\NPale King and White Lady Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.26,0:30:19.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,becoming corrupted by the Void itself. Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.76,0:30:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what the Pale King means when he\Nsays Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.67,0:30:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"…Soul of Wyrm. Soul of Root.\NHeart of Void…" Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.43,0:30:27.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Knight acquiring the Void Heart Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.51,0:30:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,symbolizes how it has come to terms\Nwith its past. Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.51,0:30:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, the achievement you get after\Nthis cutscene Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.50,0:30:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strongly implies it's\Na scene from the past. Dialogue: 0,0:30:36.37,0:30:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Void achievement reads, Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.19,0:30:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Remember the past and unite the Abyss." Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.89,0:30:43.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The White Lady also\Nremarks on this, saying, Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.10,0:30:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Truly, it has been transformed by the\Nrevelations it found." Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.63,0:30:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In summary, Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.61,0:30:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this scene is showing\Na memory from the Knight Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.88,0:30:51.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it was discarded into the Abyss Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.74,0:30:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.35,0:30:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in other words, Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.33,0:30:55.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's completely impossible Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.85,0:30:57.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Pale King to hatch out of this egg Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.97,0:31:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if what we see here is a memory. Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.10,0:31:01.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And like the achievement said, Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.65,0:31:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the cutscene allows the Knight to remember\Nits past. Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.40,0:31:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, MatPat didn't mention this cutscene\Nat all in his video; Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.62,0:31:11.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, he did leave a pinned comment\Naddressing the issue. Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.69,0:31:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says that he cut the part talking about\Nthis scene from the video for both time Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.78,0:31:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and because it was "too complicated for\Nthe tone he was looking for in the video." Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.15,0:31:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For his first point, Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.33,0:31:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,videos on YouTube can be much longer\Nthan 20 minutes Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.36,0:31:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's no excuse, in my opinion. Dialogue: 0,0:31:26.66,0:31:29.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I get that The Game Theorists is a big\Nchannel with employees; Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.17,0:31:31.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,schedules; Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.38,0:31:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,semi-annual office blood rituals; Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.82,0:31:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overhead; Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.78,0:31:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,low toner; Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.15,0:31:38.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shit that I mostly\Ndon't have to worry about. Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.51,0:31:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if your format is forcing you to cut Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.70,0:31:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crucial information out of your videos, Dialogue: 0,0:31:42.92,0:31:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are trying to provide persuasive\Narguments, Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.59,0:31:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you need to do some retooling. Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.77,0:31:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As for his second point, I agree. Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.10,0:31:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It does complicate things, Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.84,0:31:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially considering it debunks his\Nentire video if he can't counter it. Dialogue: 0,0:31:55.76,0:31:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's not that big of a deal Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.23,0:31:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since MatPat tackled the counterargument Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.15,0:32:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this pinned comment. Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.92,0:32:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's see what he's got. Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.43,0:32:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First he says that the Pale King is\N"transparent" in this scene, Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.36,0:32:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which might hint at him not really being\Nthere. Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.22,0:32:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have no idea what MatPat is talking\Nabout here. Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.73,0:32:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Pale King does have a glow around him\Nin this scene, Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.51,0:32:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the Pale King has been described as\Nbeing a light Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.94,0:32:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or giving off a light by Seer, Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.91,0:32:19.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Archive tablets, Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.27,0:32:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Throne Room tablets, Dialogue: 0,0:32:20.80,0:32:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Last Stag, Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.85,0:32:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Eternal Emelitia. Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.49,0:32:26.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the transparency argument is debunked\Nby… Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.60,0:32:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having eyes. Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.73,0:32:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then MatPat says that because the\Nbirthplace cutscene is a dream sequence, Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.53,0:32:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technically anything is possible. Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.03,0:32:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which… Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.32,0:32:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,…um… Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.29,0:32:38.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[JUSTIN] I give it to\Nyou, you got me there. Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.85,0:32:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I mean, sure, Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.93,0:32:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anything is possible. Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.57,0:32:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hell, maybe Ronald McDonald\Nwas there too, Dialogue: 0,0:32:45.05,0:32:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the Knight suppressed that memory Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.53,0:32:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so much that we just can't see him. Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.51,0:32:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot of different ways to\Ninterpret something, Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.69,0:32:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the best interpretations Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.96,0:32:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are the ones that\Nline up with what we know Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.64,0:32:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the rest of the game's lore. Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.54,0:32:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we just assume that this is the Knight\Nremembering its own past, Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.97,0:33:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the achievement message strongly\Nimplies, Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.68,0:33:04.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there aren't really any problems with\Nthis cutscene. Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.23,0:33:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if we think the Pale King later turns\Ninto the Knight, Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.03,0:33:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then this whole scene becomes a complete\Nmess. Dialogue: 0,0:33:09.90,0:33:13.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the moment the Knight has a huge\Nrevelation about its true nature. Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.86,0:33:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How exactly is this scene revealing to the\NKnight Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.34,0:33:17.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it is the Pale King? Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.33,0:33:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'd think that this moment would at\Nleast hint at it, Dialogue: 0,0:33:20.76,0:33:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not completely contradict it. Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.13,0:33:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why does this scene exist at all? Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.12,0:33:26.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's the point of it? Dialogue: 0,0:33:26.80,0:33:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The weight of this entire scene is\Nneutered by MatPat's theory. Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.38,0:33:32.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It no longer becomes an emotional moment Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.55,0:33:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing how the Knight was discarded Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.34,0:33:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like the other thousands of vessels, Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.62,0:33:39.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but instead this scene becomes an eyesore; Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.08,0:33:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a loose end to a theory that sounds cool\Non the surface, Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.24,0:33:44.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but doesn't resonate with what we see in\Nthe game. Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.38,0:33:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I've been talking for way too long. Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.73,0:33:49.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's get back to MatPat. Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.62,0:33:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then mentions how the nursery song in\Nthe White Palace Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.07,0:33:55.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the same song we hear when the Knight\Nis next to its shade. Dialogue: 0,0:33:55.69,0:33:58.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then mentions the journal entry for the\Nshade. Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.50,0:34:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] The description of these shadows\Nreads, Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.66,0:34:02.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Echo of a previous life. Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.47,0:34:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Each of us leaves an imprint of something\Nwhen we die. Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.37,0:34:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A stain on the world." Dialogue: 0,0:34:07.17,0:34:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the sound that accompanies our\NKnight's past life Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.72,0:34:12.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coincides with the same sound Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.100,0:34:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a nursery housed inside the Pale\NKing's palace? Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.21,0:34:19.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The existence of a connection between our\NKnight and the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:34:19.70,0:34:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seems undeniable. Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.49,0:34:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I think there's a much\Nbetter interpretation for this. Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.40,0:34:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After the Pale King chose the Hollow\NKnight as the Vessel, Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.21,0:34:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Hollow Knight likely lived in the\NWhite Palace. Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.01,0:34:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We even see that this is the case in the\NPath of Pain cutscene. Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.48,0:34:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So chances are the Hollow Knight was kept\Nin this crib. Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.62,0:34:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Hollow Knight is, of course, similar\Nto the Knight Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.25,0:34:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that it is a child of the Pale King and\Nthe White Lady, Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.25,0:34:44.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it also has a shade similar to the\NKnight. Dialogue: 0,0:34:45.18,0:34:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Connecting this nursery song to the Pale\NKing Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.42,0:34:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say he became a Void creature Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.30,0:34:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a much bigger leap. Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.90,0:34:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it also has another\Nproblem that I will get into shortly. Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.85,0:34:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But first, Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.57,0:34:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let me play another\Nsection of MatPat's video. Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.14,0:34:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] It's almost as if the King laid\Nthe groundwork Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.93,0:35:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for him to be reborn as Void, Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.74,0:35:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,died, Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.35,0:35:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was hatched of Void from the black egg\Nin the Abyss, Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.26,0:35:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was taken back to the Palace to be raised Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.65,0:35:09.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was eventually sent away from the\Nkingdom Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.45,0:35:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to avoid succumbing to the infection, Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.20,0:35:13.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only to be called back when he was older Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.69,0:35:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when the Hollow Knight started losing\Ncontrol. Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.26,0:35:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] Okay, Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.06,0:35:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's take this piece by piece. Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.16,0:35:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, MatPat says that the King\N"laid the groundwork Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.84,0:35:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for him to be reborn as Void." Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.18,0:35:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no evidence for this. Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.02,0:35:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm guessing MatPat is basing this off of Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.04,0:35:30.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the "deny time" section of the workshop\Ntablet, Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.80,0:35:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but again I don't\Nthink the tablet is referring Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.30,0:35:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the Pale King's desire to become\Na Void creature, at all. Dialogue: 0,0:35:37.09,0:35:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next, he says that the Pale King died. Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.79,0:35:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ 'For The Damaged Coda' by\NBlonde Redhead ♪] Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.88,0:35:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(RIP glowing fork man) Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.14,0:35:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Damn. Dialogue: 0,0:35:44.02,0:35:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually completely agree with MatPat on\Nthis one. Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.10,0:35:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This calls for a celebration. Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.90,0:35:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ 'Celebration' by Kool & The Gang ♪] Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.90,0:35:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then says the Pale King was Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.33,0:35:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"hatched of Void from the black egg\Nin the Abyss." Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.30,0:35:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that is the case. Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.19,0:36:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We see that the first transformation of\Nthe Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:36:01.64,0:36:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was from an egg inside the Wyrm corpse, Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.97,0:36:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for his second transformation Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.66,0:36:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he somehow died in the White Palace Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.84,0:36:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and turned into an egg larger than his\Nown body, Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.67,0:36:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then the egg was somehow transported\Nto the Abyss Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.94,0:36:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite the fact that the gateway to the\NAbyss was sealed. Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.77,0:36:18.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, in his pinned comment Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.74,0:36:21.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat pointed out an issue that I think\Nis valid. Dialogue: 0,0:36:21.68,0:36:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He asked how exactly were the vessels even\Nable Dialogue: 0,0:36:24.07,0:36:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to escape the Abyss in the first place. Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.94,0:36:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has been a pretty big question in the\Nlore for a while now. Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.64,0:36:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a Reddit AMA, Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.03,0:36:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Team Cherry mentioned that they weren't\Nsure how it happened. Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.98,0:36:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah, they're pretty much useless as\Nusual. Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.74,0:36:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This issue can kinda counter my argument\Nhere; Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.49,0:36:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there are multiple entrances to the\NAbyss Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.04,0:36:45.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then of course they could get the egg back\Ndown there. Dialogue: 0,0:36:45.78,0:36:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still don't buy that explanation Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.56,0:36:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do have a theory about how the \Nvessels escaped. Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.77,0:36:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the bottom right corner of Deepnest, Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.76,0:36:55.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's an area that has clearly been\Ninfluenced by the Void Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.07,0:36:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not far from there Dialogue: 0,0:36:57.68,0:37:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can see that several vessels have\Nbeen captured by Nosk in its lair. Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.77,0:37:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there might be some hidden passage Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.69,0:37:05.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the Abyss and Deepnest Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.69,0:37:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the vessels were able to navigate\Nthrough. Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.13,0:37:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.81,0:37:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat says that the Pale King was Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.35,0:37:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"taken back to the White Palace to be\Nraised." Dialogue: 0,0:37:12.95,0:37:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So who exactly raised the Pale King? Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.48,0:37:17.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was it the White Lady then? Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.46,0:37:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's likely her silhouette on the chair,\Nright? Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.13,0:37:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does this mean the White Lady is in on\Nthe plan too? Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.66,0:37:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if that's the case, Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.97,0:37:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a few issues. Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.52,0:37:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.36,0:37:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why doesn't she recognize the Pale King\Nimmediately if she literally raised him? Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.54,0:37:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why does she call the Knight her spawn? Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.50,0:37:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But my bigger issue here Dialogue: 0,0:37:33.96,0:37:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is what the White Lady says when the\NKnight first meets her. Dialogue: 0,0:37:37.40,0:37:38.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She says, Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.35,0:37:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"One arrives. Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.55,0:37:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Far it walks to find me. Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.35,0:37:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Did it seek my aid? Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.70,0:37:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Or did the path carry it by chance to so\Npertinent a place? Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.98,0:37:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It is true. Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.04,0:37:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"True, that you were awaited. Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.80,0:37:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No. Perhaps that is inaccurate. Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.37,0:37:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,True one like you was awaited." Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.90,0:37:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pay attention to how she talks. Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.98,0:37:59.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The White Lady is indeed waiting for a\Nvessel to come find her, Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.34,0:38:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not any one vessel in particular. Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.82,0:38:05.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She says "one like you was awaited." Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.28,0:38:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is looking for any vessel, Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.36,0:38:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a specific one. Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.02,0:38:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If she was in on the Pale King's plan, Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.31,0:38:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then why wouldn't she be looking for him\Nspecifically? Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.07,0:38:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if she isn't in on the plan, Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.17,0:38:18.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's the deal with her silhouette on the\Nchair? Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.67,0:38:21.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat finishes by saying that the Pale\NKing was sent away Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.97,0:38:23.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to avoid succumbing to the infection, Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.90,0:38:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then was brought back when he was \Nolder. Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.25,0:38:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't really have any issues with this\Nsection Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.66,0:38:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do have a broader issue with the\Ntheory that I'd like to talk about. Dialogue: 0,0:38:31.100,0:38:34.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to the Hollow Knight game manual Dialogue: 0,0:38:34.42,0:38:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Pale King went into hiding as his\Nkingdom fell to ruin. Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.70,0:38:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Relic Seeker Lemm mentions that the Pale\NKing's palace Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.14,0:38:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disappeared without any sign of struggle, Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.58,0:38:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the Wanderer's Journal Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.38,0:38:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ellina mentions that it appears as though\Nthe Pale King took the White Palace Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.60,0:38:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his court with him when he fled. Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.29,0:38:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if MatPat's theory is true, Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.39,0:38:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then how does this information fit with\Nthe lore? Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.04,0:38:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is the game manual just completely wrong, Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.68,0:39:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what's the deal with the White Palace\Ndisappearing? Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.18,0:39:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the Pale King didn't use it to hide in, Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.56,0:39:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then why is it even in the dream world? Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.62,0:39:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How exactly did the Pale King get out of\Nthe White Palace Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.32,0:39:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it had a seal on it? Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.94,0:39:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat doesn't really address any of this, Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.27,0:39:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though it's probably the most\Nrelevant pieces of information related Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.19,0:39:17.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what actually happened to the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.48,0:39:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after the Hollow Knight was sealed. Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.39,0:39:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moving on, Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.33,0:39:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat explains how the line Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.75,0:39:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No cost too great" Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.26,0:39:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Pale King says when you dream\Nnail him Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.61,0:39:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be referring to how he sacrificed\Nhimself to become the Knight Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.83,0:39:30.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and take on the infection himself. Dialogue: 0,0:39:30.93,0:39:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The line is also used at the beginning of\Nthe birthplace memory, Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.30,0:39:36.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the first time the Pale King says it, Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.14,0:39:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's definitely referring to the creation\Nof the vessels. Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.29,0:39:43.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm not against the phrase being\Nrecontextualized to mean something else, Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.33,0:39:46.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just don't think there's enough evidence\Nto really prove that. Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.23,0:39:50.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat then gives more evidence for why\Nthe Knight being a reincarnated Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.61,0:39:51.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes sense. Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.94,0:39:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] The Knight being a reincarnated\NPale King Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.46,0:39:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would explain how a nameless, faceless\Nknight Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.69,0:39:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is so easily able to accept the\NKing's Brand item Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.72,0:40:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which outright marks him as a king. Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.22,0:40:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I don't think that's the case. Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.38,0:40:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The King's Brand is guarded by Hornet, Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.36,0:40:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which makes me think that getting the\Nbrand itself isn't hard, Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.62,0:40:11.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Hornet doesn't want others getting to\Nit Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.98,0:40:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unless they can prove their strength\Nlike the Knight did. Dialogue: 0,0:40:14.79,0:40:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also have Hornet saying this Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.22,0:40:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when she hints for the player\Nto go to the Kingdom's Edge: Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.24,0:40:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Seek the Grave in Ash Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.84,0:40:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the mark it would grant one like you." Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.33,0:40:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"One like you" implies that vessels in\Ngeneral Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.05,0:40:27.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are able to receive the mark, Dialogue: 0,0:40:27.75,0:40:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that makes sense. Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.14,0:40:31.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Midwife also calls the King's Brand Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.22,0:40:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a "bright mark of relationship," Dialogue: 0,0:40:33.25,0:40:35.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I interpret as saying that the\Nmark's bearer Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.45,0:40:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a relation to the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.45,0:40:38.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On top of that, Dialogue: 0,0:40:38.49,0:40:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the vessels are the children of the\NPale King Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.77,0:40:42.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so, since he's dead, Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.26,0:40:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any one of them should\Nbe able to become the next king. Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.24,0:40:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also MatPat keeps referring to the Knight\Nand the Hollow Knight using male pronouns Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.77,0:40:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in game they are never given genders. Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.19,0:40:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, Hornet is\Ncalled "the gendered child" Dialogue: 0,0:40:54.62,0:40:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to signify how the rest of the Pale\NKing's children lack genders. Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.52,0:41:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I assume MatPat is just using male\Npronouns for convenience, Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.28,0:41:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's no excuse to misgender these\Npoor bugs. Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.54,0:41:06.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have it hard enough. Dialogue: 0,0:41:06.91,0:41:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] It would explain how, Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.15,0:41:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like the Pale King snapped the bugs\Nout of their collective stupor Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.62,0:41:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during his lifetime, Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.66,0:41:14.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our Knight, as you go through the game, Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.59,0:41:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is doing exactly the same thing; Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.85,0:41:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waking up bugs from the infection Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.57,0:41:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and getting them to return to a life in\NDirtmouth. Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.38,0:41:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] To be fair, Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.50,0:41:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Knight only saves two bugs from\Nthe infection: Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.31,0:41:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sly and Bretta, Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.64,0:41:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these two are very rare exceptions. Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.04,0:41:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Knight isn't able to cure any of the\Nother infected bugs we see. Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.74,0:41:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'd think that would be easier than\Nfighting them off. Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.83,0:41:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course we can't forget Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.61,0:41:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the Knight really can snap bugs out\Nof the infection so easily, Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.51,0:41:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why can't we save Myla? Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.69,0:41:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did we really fail her that much? Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.35,0:41:48.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She really deserved better. Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.01,0:41:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[♪ 'For The Damaged Coda' ♪] Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.18,0:41:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(POV: You discover that\Nmossbag can read your mind--) Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.43,0:41:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On top of that, Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.14,0:41:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Pale King couldn't snap bugs out of\Nthe infection either. Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.11,0:41:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the whole point of the Vessel, Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.01,0:41:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was the only way the Pale King could\Ndeal with the infection. Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.07,0:42:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] It would explain how\Nonly you and the Pale King Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.66,0:42:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are seen to use the Monarch Wings item. Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.16,0:42:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] That's true, Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.66,0:42:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the Monarch Wings could\Nprobably be worn by any vessel Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.98,0:42:12.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as they had a cape for\Nthe Monarch Flies to morph into. Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.26,0:42:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] And if all of that wasn't\Nenough to convince you, Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.76,0:42:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in cut dialogue that\Nwas datamined from the game, Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.22,0:42:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you dream nail the final boss, Dialogue: 0,0:42:21.66,0:42:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Hollow Knight himself, Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.94,0:42:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will say this: Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.14,0:42:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"…Father?…" Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.90,0:42:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doesn't get much more explicit than that. Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.76,0:42:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] Okay, so first of all, Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.20,0:42:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is cut dialogue so it really\Nshould be taken with a grain of salt. Dialogue: 0,0:42:32.36,0:42:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I am guilty of doing this a lot myself Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.53,0:42:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's a bad habit\Nthat I do need to break. Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.50,0:42:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second, Dialogue: 0,0:42:38.12,0:42:41.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just because the Hollow Knight is thinking\Nabout its father, Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.11,0:42:44.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't mean it\Nthinks that the {\i1}Knight{\i0} is its father. Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.49,0:42:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Love for its father would probably be the\Nonly thought the Hollow Knight could have, Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.08,0:42:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it would probably think\Nthat even if the Knight wasn't there. Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.21,0:42:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at the jellyfish in the Fog Canyon, Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.32,0:42:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the flukes in the Royal Waterways. Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.72,0:43:00.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They think about\NMonomon and the Flukemarm respectively, Dialogue: 0,0:43:00.77,0:43:03.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without being in the same room as them. Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.33,0:43:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The rest of the video\Nis just recapping the theory, Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.14,0:43:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with one additional section discussing why\Nthe Pale King left Hallownest. Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.08,0:43:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MATPAT] He studies the Void Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.91,0:43:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that he's eventually\Nable to be reborn with its power, Dialogue: 0,0:43:14.20,0:43:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hatching down in the Abyss, Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.82,0:43:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting cared for in\Nthe safety of the White Palace, Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.42,0:43:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then being released\Nout into the lands beyond Dirtmouth, Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.22,0:43:24.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a place where canonically bugs lose all\Nof their memories. Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.51,0:43:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This self-exile for a period of years is\Nprobably for two reasons; Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.25,0:43:30.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One, his own protection from the Radiance; Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.36,0:43:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and two, losing his memory\Nhelps make him purely hollow. Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.92,0:43:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No memory, Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.64,0:43:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no desire, Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.35,0:43:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no past life. Dialogue: 0,0:43:36.61,0:43:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's now an empty vessel Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.14,0:43:39.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that should it come down to it Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.79,0:43:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he can now be the one\Nto take on the Hollow Knight's place. Dialogue: 0,0:43:43.18,0:43:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[MOSSBAG] I don't really have any\Nproblems with this section Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.20,0:43:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I haven't brought up already, Dialogue: 0,0:43:46.95,0:43:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other than that it begs the question of Dialogue: 0,0:43:48.63,0:43:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how exactly the\NVoid Heart fits into all this. Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.53,0:43:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hornet mentions multiple times that the\NKnight needs to pursue the deeper truth, Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.17,0:43:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and learn of the\Ntragedy of its own conception. Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.85,0:44:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She then commends the Knight\Non accepting the Void inside itself. Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.39,0:44:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's nothing about coming to terms with Dialogue: 0,0:44:03.04,0:44:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being the next\Nreincarnation of the Pale King. Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.73,0:44:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why is such an important part of the story Dialogue: 0,0:44:07.50,0:44:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,completely glossed over\Nfor a different theme Dialogue: 0,0:44:09.87,0:44:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the Knight coming to\Nterms with the Void inside itself? Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.19,0:44:15.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's really my biggest problem with\Nthis theory: Dialogue: 0,0:44:15.65,0:44:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it just doesn't congeal with\Nthe lore you see in the game. Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.98,0:44:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure, Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.80,0:44:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you could argue that the\NElderbug refers to the Knight as a ghost Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.55,0:44:25.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the Knight is literally\Nthe Pale King returning to Hallownest Dialogue: 0,0:44:25.67,0:44:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after years of self-exile. Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.51,0:44:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could argue\Nthat the Pale King was planning Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.47,0:44:32.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to turn himself into a Void Creature in\Nan attempt to deny time and live forever. Dialogue: 0,0:44:33.13,0:44:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you could probably even find\Na way to interpret the birthplace cutscene Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.30,0:44:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it doesn't\Ndebunk the entire theory. Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.63,0:44:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(lol) Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.96,0:44:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But do all of these things really feel\Nlike what the game is saying? Dialogue: 0,0:44:42.00,0:44:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or do they feel like someone is looking\Ntoo hard to justify their own theory Dialogue: 0,0:44:46.04,0:44:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite what evidence, Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.37,0:44:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or lack thereof, Dialogue: 0,0:44:48.80,0:44:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they find in the game. Dialogue: 0,0:44:50.72,0:44:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I'd like to reiterate: Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.42,0:44:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my intention with\Nthis video isn't to attack MatPat. Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.53,0:44:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember that pinned\Ncomment I mentioned earlier? Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.93,0:44:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, since I first wrote this script, Dialogue: 0,0:44:59.94,0:45:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MatPat has replaced\Nthat comment with another one Dialogue: 0,0:45:02.61,0:45:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providing a detailed\Ncritique of his arguments Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.08,0:45:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,originally written by Sumwan. Dialogue: 0,0:45:07.17,0:45:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you don't know who Sumwan is, Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.88,0:45:10.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she's done a lot for this community Dialogue: 0,0:45:10.61,0:45:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helping update the Wiki to include\Ndetailed and sourced lore sections, Dialogue: 0,0:45:14.89,0:45:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she's also helped me with my videos Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.88,0:45:18.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by proofreading my scripts, Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.53,0:45:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so she definitely has a\Nstrong understanding of the lore. Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.17,0:45:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sumwan has big chad energy, ngl.) Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.54,0:45:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seeing MatPat display her detailed\Nrebuttal in a pinned comment Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.76,0:45:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really cool, Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.93,0:45:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it shows that MatPat is\Nopen to criticism about his theories. Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.12,0:45:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah, those are just a few of\Nthe thoughts I had on MatPat's video. Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.84,0:45:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're a fan of MatPat, Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.18,0:45:37.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and didn't really know the lore of\NHollow Knight going into this video, Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.94,0:45:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then hopefully you can see why\Nour community got a little upset. Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.59,0:45:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This theory really is beyond saving. Dialogue: 0,0:45:44.44,0:45:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even the Pope couldn't resurrect it. Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.38,0:45:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,... Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.76,0:45:48.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what the Pope does, Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.29,0:45:48.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right? Dialogue: 0,0:45:49.30,0:45:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're a fan of me, Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.29,0:45:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just Hollow Knight in general, Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.72,0:45:54.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then hopefully you can see that MatPat\Nisn't trying to disrespect this game Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.74,0:45:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or mislead people. Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.50,0:45:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's been very receptive to the criticism Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.68,0:46:01.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you can tell this video\Nclearly has a lot of love put into it. Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.27,0:46:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, fuck, Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.49,0:46:06.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wish my videos\Nlooked half as good as this. Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.27,0:46:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just now figured out how to use overlays\Nin Sony Vegas. Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.92,0:46:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look at this: Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.82,0:46:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,… Pretty cool, huh? Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.28,0:46:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're not a fan of me, Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.68,0:46:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Hollow Knight, Dialogue: 0,0:46:16.66,0:46:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or MatPat… Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.75,0:46:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then what the fuck are you doing here? Dialogue: 0,0:46:19.17,0:46:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why'd you just watch\Nthis whole fucking video??? Dialogue: 0,0:46:21.64,0:46:24.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All in all, no harm no foul, Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.23,0:46:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm sure that the animation Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.97,0:46:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing that Hornet\Nwas made of Void was just an accident. Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.49,0:46:31.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise I take everything back. Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.48,0:46:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in conclusion, Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.79,0:46:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess this is a really\Nroundabout way of saying this, Dialogue: 0,0:46:37.08,0:46:39.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I suppose the whole point I'm trying\Nto make here Dialogue: 0,0:46:39.19,0:46:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that VaatiVidya and\NIndeimaus are a couple of Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.41,0:46:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bitch Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.68,0:46:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ass Dialogue: 0,0:46:41.98,0:46:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mother Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.43,0:46:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,FUCKERS--