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[MOSSBAG] I am literally
shaking and crying right now.

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I can't believe MatPat has done this.

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Is nothing in this world sacred anymore?

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Is no work of art
free from this man's grasp?

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Oh god… I can't do this.

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How could MatPat really say all
those things about The Canterbury Tales?

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What did Chaucer
ever do to deserve this?

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I mean, sure, that deathbed confession
right at the end felt pretty contrived,

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but The Wife of Bath's Tale has given us
precious insight into the role of women

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during the late middle ages.

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He probably even thinks
The Decameron is better written…

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Pathetic.

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Someone has to
stand up against this monster.

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Someone has to tear his fu--

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oh shit…

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he gave me a shout-out.

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Um…

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…

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thanks!

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So the Game Theorists have finally put out
a Hollow Knight lore video,

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and MatPat himself uttered my name with
his own two lips.

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The capitalization in the video is wrong:
"MossBag" is supposed to be all lowercase.

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I mean it's literally
how I start every video… but that's okay.

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I'm still cool with it.

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Thanks to MatPat,

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my original Hollow Knight lore video
finally hit 1,000,000 views.

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And more importantly, I
gained over 1,000 new followers on Twitter

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so now even more
people can read my reviews of

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each and every
episode of King of the Hill.

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It's also great to see a video about
Hollow Knight trend on YouTube.

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This community really has come a long way.

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But, as cool as all that is,

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MatPat's theory is… pretty bad.

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Now, I may not have
11,000,000 subscribers like MatPat does,

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and no, I've never given
a copy of Undertale to the Pope,

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but I did sent the Dalai Lama
a copy of my Rick and Morty spec script,

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and I am something of a theorist myself,

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so I think I am qualified
to make a response to this new video.

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And no, this isn't
some sort of take down video.

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I'm already mortal enemies
with VaatiVidya and Indeimaus.

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I don't need a third YouTuber coming after
me,

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even if MatPat has defiled the sanctity of
our fandom with his

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completely terrible and

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<i>abhorrently offensive</i>…

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Fuck.

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This isn't going well...

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I should just restart the video.

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Here's some context
if you're just joining in:

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The Hollow Knight community's
reaction to this new video has been...

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pretty negative.

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Mainly because there are
a lot of perceived flaws in the theory.

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As a result, there are some people saying
that the Hollow Knight fanbase is "toxic."

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And yeah, <i>maybe</i> my initial reaction to
MatPat's video could be perceived as...

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... <i>rude?</i>

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But you have to understand that being an
asshole is just part of my online schtick.

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It's a completely original
and clever concept, I know.

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But in general,
I don't think this community is too toxic.

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Some of us are just a little defensive
about the lore, that's all.

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But it is important to remember that, at
the end of the day,

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MatPat is just a guy who wanted to talk
about Hollow Knight,

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and I've got nothing against that.

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It just gives me an excuse to
talk about this game even more.

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That being said,

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I reckon it's time to get out the propane
and propane accessories, boys and girls...

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because we're about to
burn this theory to the ground.

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So if you haven't seen the Game Theorists'
video yet, I recommend you check it out.

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I'm going to go
through all of MatPat's arguments

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but I'm not going
to play his whole video through,

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so you'll have to watch it
yourself if you want the full context.

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Then, you can watch this video

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and come to your own
conclusion about Hollow Knight's lore.

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The issue on debate here has to do with
the nature of the Knight

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and the whereabouts of the Pale King.

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MatPat's theory is that the Knight is
actually the Pale King, reincarnated.

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[MATPAT] We are supposedly just another
one of those failed experiments,

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except... I don't
think that's the case here.

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If you stop and dig through the

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<i>massive</i> amounts of secret lore
hidden throughout this game,

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it's my belief that
we're <i>not</i> just some random nobody.

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We are, in fact, royalty.

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A king.

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<i>The</i> King, in fact.

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It's my belief that in Hollow Knight,
we're playing as the Pale King himself.

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[MOSSBAG] This isn't a new theory.

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It's been around for a while,

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but I've never really talked
about it here on this channel.

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There are several
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the biggest one
being the lack of evidence.

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A lot of the evidence that
MatPat will present in this video

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can be interpreted in
ways that make much more sense

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when put in a different context.

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Second; there are pieces of
evidence that contradict this theory.

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You can poke a lot of small
holes into MatPat's timeline here,

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and a few bigger ones as well...
with the biggest hole being that

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you literally see the Knight
with the Pale King, in the same room.

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But I'm getting ahead of myself.

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Let's start with MatPat's first argument:

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The higher being tablets in the King's 
Pass, which all begin with the phrase,

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"Higher beings, these
words are for you alone."

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These tablets are very mysterious,

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and I don't think that there is
really a consensus on what they mean.

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One theory I see a lot is that these
tablets were left here for the vessels,

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as a way to teach them how to focus SOUL.

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But then why did the Pale King leave a
lore tablet like this in the Ancient Basin

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or the Howling Cliffs?

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They don't contain information
that would be pertinent to them,

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and some of these tablets seem
to predate the creation of the vessels.

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Another theory is that
the tablets are addressed to the bugs

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that were granted higher thought
through the Pale King's beacon.

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The problem with that theory is that the
tablets teach you how to focus SOUL,

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which doesn't seem to be
a thing that regular bugs can do.

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At least, not easily.

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Personally I believe this
explanation is the correct one,

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but my thoughts
on it are super speculative.

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I've linked a document
below if you want to check it out.

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So yeah, these tablets
are quite mysterious indeed.

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But for MatPat's argument,

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all that really matters
is the fact that the Knight can read them,

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even though they are stated
as being intended for only higher beings.

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MatPat explains that
higher beings are godlike creatures,

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mentioning the Reddit AMA post
and the Kingsoul charm description.

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I agree with Matt here.

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He then mentions that pretty much
only higher beings can manipulate SOUL.

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[MATPAT] The tablet even says, quote:

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"You shall achieve feats
of which others can only dream."

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Again, setting apart SOUL-users

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like our Knight

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from pretty much every other creature
that we encounter throughout this game.

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Now, MatPat does say
"pretty much every other creature,"

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so I can't say he's wrong,

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but there are examples of
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that aren't higher beings.

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Two examples of this
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and the scholars of the Soul Sanctum.

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The snail shaman gives the
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and another SOUL spell can be found near
another shaman in the Overgrown Mound.

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The higher being tablet in the King's Pass
teaches the Knight how to <i>focus</i> SOUL.

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We see the word "focus"
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where there is a whispering
root that gives the Dream Nail dialogue,

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"…Spiral focus…"

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I think this is referring to how the
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just like the Knight.

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The word "spiral" probably
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the shaman is wearing.

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Now, the nature of the
snail shamans is a little sketchy,

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seemingly tied to the void somehow,

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but I don't think they are higher beings.

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However, the bugs of the Soul
Sanctum are definitely not higher beings.

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They were able to learn how to manipulate
SOUL through diligent practice and study,

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but as a result their minds have begun
to swell and ache…

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so it's not really an ideal situation.

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(YOU DON'T SAY)

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there's a lore tablet that also mentions
their desire to attain a "pure focus,"

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and while they may not have been totally
successful,

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these bugs have proven that they were
capable of manipulating SOUL.

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And the specific focus ability that the
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is not specific to just this vessel.

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the Hollow Knight uses a move that's
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as being a focus ability.

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So this ability doesn't appear to separate
the Knight from the other vessels.

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But ultimately, I don't think this really
hurts the point MatPat is trying to make:

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that being that
the Knight is a higher being.

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[MATPAT] So not only are we reading
tablets reserved for higher beings,

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but we're also using skills reserved for
the godlike creatures of the world

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on par with the Pale King.

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Does it really sound like
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cast into the depths of this world?

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[MOSSBAG] I think it's possible that the
Knight is a higher being in some regard,

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but that doesn't mean the Knight has to be
a reincarnation of the Pale King.

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The Knight, the Hollow Knight,
and the other vessels

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are the offspring of the Pale King and
the White Lady.

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There's a lot of evidence for this.

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There's the White Lady, who literally
calls the Knight her "spawn;"

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the line "Born of God and Void," from
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alludes to the vessels being born from
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but then being corrupted by the Void;

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and there's the fact that the Pale King
and the White Lady had a quote-unquote…

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<i>"Union."</i>

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[♪ 'Let's Get It On' by Marvin Gaye ♪]

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I don't think MatPat is arguing against
this point,

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but calling the
Knight a "failed experiment"

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could lead people
to believe that the vessels

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really aren't the
Pale King's biological children.

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Granted, Grimm does
call the Knight a "craft,"

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but this is possibly just referring to how
the vessels are a combination

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of the spawn of higher beings

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mixed with the influence of Void.

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Another big piece of
evidence for this is the fact that

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the achievement you get
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with Hornet by your side
is called "Sealed Siblings."

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This confirms that the Knight and Hornet
are siblings,

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and we know that Hornet is the daughter of
the Pale King

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since the White Lady mentions that the
Pale King had sex with Hera the Beast.

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[♪ 'Let's Get It On" by Marvin Gaye ♪]

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Not only does this strengthen the argument

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that the vessels were the literal children
of the Pale King,

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but it also pretty much confirms that the
Knight <i>specifically</i>

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is a child of the Pale King.

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Which, by the way, debunks MatPat's
whole theory.

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… So I guess we could end the video now.

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[♪ 'Obstacle Course'
Yoshi's Island SSBU Ver. ♪]

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As I was saying,

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being the literal children
of two higher beings would suggest

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that the Knight and all the other
vessels are also higher beings as well.

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This is hinted at for the Hollow Knight at
least

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in the hunters journal entry for the
Pure Vessel,

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which mentions that it has a "holy shell."

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So I don't think this attribute separates
the Knight as being unique

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compared to the other vessels.

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This is an argument you're going to hear
me use a lot in this video.

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A lot of the connections MatPat makes
between the Knight and the Pale King

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can be explained by remembering that the
Knight is the Pale King's child.

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The reason we should interpret it this way

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is because the game explicitly <i>tells</i> us
that the Knight is the Pale King's child,

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while there really isn't anything telling
us that they're the same person.

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After this argument, MatPat brings up the
very beginning of the game:

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The "Elegy For Hallownest."

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MatPat first mentions that the poem itself
isn't about Hallownest

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but is instead about the Pale King.

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[MATPAT] You don't know it
when you start the game,

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but this poem is about the Pale King.

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[MOSSBAG] So this poem is called "Elegy
For Hallownest"

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but the poem itself seems to be addressed
to a person,

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so it's not a stretch to think that the 
poem is

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actually talking about the Pale King.

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Hallownest is the Pale King's kingdom,

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and everything that Hallownest offered to
travellers was because of the Pale King.

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The two are so closely entwined that the
poem is pretty much saying the same thing

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regardless of if its addressed to the
personified version of Hallownest

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or to the Pale King himself.

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MatPat then goes into what the
poem means when it says that the Pale King

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"tamed savage souls
and redeemed base instincts."

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[MATPAT] In the beginning of the game's
lore,

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all bugs were basically a hivemind
controlled by the moth god, Radiance.

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The Pale King was the one who expanded
the minds of bugs,

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giving them individuality and sapience,

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showing them, as the poem says,

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"a world that they had never dreamed."

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[MOSSBAG] There really isn't any evidence
that the Radiance's control was widespread

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before the Pale King's arrival.

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I'm not saying it's impossible,

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but another possibility is that the bugs
didn't have individuality or sapience

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because they were living in a wasteland

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similar to what we
see outside of Hallownest.

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Those bugs don't have minds, as it would
be a weakness out in the wild,

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but when the Pale King showed up, he
established a kingdom

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and expanded the minds of these bugs.

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He also drew the
attention of the moth tribe,

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who were at the
time worshipping the Radiance

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but ended up yeeting her out of their
memory,

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causing her to be sealed away.

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The infection and the hivemind might have
been the result

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of the Radiance's imprisonment.

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As the Moss Prophet explains, "To stifle
that light is to suppress nature.

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Nature suppressed distorts, plagues us."

258
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This implies that the infection is a
byproduct

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of the Radiance being sealed away.

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This makes more sense to me than the
Radiance already having bugs

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enslaved in a hivemind, and then the Pale
King just strolled in and saved them.

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I mean if you look at what is happening in
this animation…

263
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it doesn't really make sense, does it?

264
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If the Pale King can
just cure infection like this,

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then what's the point of all the stuff
that happens later with the vessels?

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[MATPAT] It's important to note, too, that
this isn't just a poem <i>about</i> the Pale King

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but it's directed <i>to</i> the Pale King.

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"<i>Your</i> name."

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"<i>You</i> the challenge met."

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And then what do we see appear on screen
just moments later?

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Our Knight.

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It would be one thing if the poem was just
about the Pale King,

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but the fact that it's directed at him

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just seconds before
we actually see our character

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makes it seem like the designers

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are drawing a parallel between this king
of legend

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and our first appearance on screen.

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We are the "you" in that poem.

279
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[MOSSBAG] … Except there's a whole other
cutscene in between this poem

280
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and when we see the Knight.

281
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By this logic, this means that the <i>Hollow
Knight</i> is the Pale King.

282
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I mean technically we do see Zote moments
after this poem.

283
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A few <i>thousand</i> moments, maybe… but the
principle still applies.

284
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But even if the intro cutscene with the
Knight appeared right after the poem,

285
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I still wouldn't find it very compelling.

286
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I mean, we are entering Hallownest,

287
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and the poem is talking about Hallownest

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or at least the person who built it,

289
00:14:06,792 --> 00:14:09,612
so why does the Knight have to be factored
into this at all?

290
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Let's move on to Elderbug.

291
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There are a lot of places you can look to
find information about the Pale King…

292
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The Elderbug is not one of them.

293
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As you'll see, I don't think MatPat's
interpretations of Elderbug's dialogue

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makes any sense.

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MatPat argues that Elderbug's dialogue
about dreams

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hints at the Knight being the Pale King.

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[MATPAT] The usage of the
word "dreams" is important,

298
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since at the beginning of the game, not
knowing the lore of this world,

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we all assume it's just our knight
pursuing the dream of wealth or fame,

300
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just like the Elderbug says.

301
00:14:40,619 --> 00:14:45,008
But late in the game we get ourselves an
item called the Dream Nail,

302
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which is how we
unlock memories of the past,

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and ultimately defeat the Radiance inside
the mind of Hollow Knight.

304
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It's also the tool that allows us to find
the Pale King's White Palace.

305
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It is a place that is
literally hidden in dreams.

306
00:14:57,790 --> 00:15:01,260
So like Elderbug says, we are
seeking our dreams

307
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in perhaps a very literal sense,

308
00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:07,859
which is especially true if we are playing
as the Pale King.

309
00:15:08,175 --> 00:15:10,955
[MOSSBAG] The Knight goes to a lot of
different places in the dream world,

310
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so I don't know what
makes the White Palace so special.

311
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This interpretation also ignores the rest
of the Elderbug's dialogue.

312
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Elderbug goes on to warn about the
infection below, and finishes by saying,

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"Perhaps dreams aren't
such great things after all."

314
00:15:24,569 --> 00:15:27,439
This dialogue makes sense if we link it
back to the Radiance.

315
00:15:27,771 --> 00:15:31,141
The Radiance's infection begins by
plaguing the dreams of a bug

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until their will becomes enslaved.

317
00:15:33,311 --> 00:15:36,514
In fact, the achievement unlocked for
beating the Radiance is called

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"Dream No More."

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00:15:37,935 --> 00:15:41,005
So I think this line makes much more sense
if we interpret it as being

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a warning about the Radiance.

321
00:15:42,912 --> 00:15:45,582
If we interpret those extra lines using
MatPat's reading,

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then the Elderbug is telling us not to go
to the White Palace, I guess?

323
00:15:49,959 --> 00:15:53,461
Now, it's worth noting that the Elderbug
mentions dreams again,

324
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when you dream nail him
after giving him the Delicate Flower,

325
00:15:56,381 --> 00:16:00,121
remarking, "Perhaps dreams
aren't such bad things after all…"

326
00:16:00,433 --> 00:16:03,733
I think this just shows how the Knight has
restored hope in Elderbug,

327
00:16:03,733 --> 00:16:06,503
similar to how it restores hope for
Hallownest…

328
00:16:06,909 --> 00:16:08,459
or something like that.

329
00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:11,400
MatPat's next point has to do with the
Elderbug's dialogue

330
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if you initially ignore
him at the start of the game,

331
00:16:14,259 --> 00:16:15,629
and then come back.

332
00:16:15,669 --> 00:16:17,799
He'll mention that
he thought he saw a ghost.

333
00:16:18,153 --> 00:16:22,593
[MATPAT] If we are indeed the Pale King
returning to a land that we once abandoned

334
00:16:22,593 --> 00:16:25,713
we would indeed be a ghost from the past.

335
00:16:25,713 --> 00:16:29,413
It's another potentially really clever
play on words that I appreciated.

336
00:16:29,413 --> 00:16:31,196
Am I reading too much into this?

337
00:16:31,196 --> 00:16:35,266
Maybe, but again this is clearly a team 
who has themselves a literary flair,

338
00:16:35,266 --> 00:16:38,506
and who like to make you really think
about the words that they're using.

339
00:16:38,756 --> 00:16:41,196
[MOSSBAG] So MatPat's reading too much
into this.

340
00:16:41,599 --> 00:16:44,829
Now, to be fair, the word "ghost" might
actually be hinting at

341
00:16:44,829 --> 00:16:46,479
the Knight's true nature.

342
00:16:46,772 --> 00:16:50,112
The word ghost is only used nine other
times in the game,

343
00:16:50,208 --> 00:16:52,878
all of which are from Hornet when talking
to the Knight.

344
00:16:53,024 --> 00:16:55,995
Hornet calls the Knight a "ghost" because
it is the dead shell

345
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of a child of the Pale King and 
White Lady

346
00:16:58,325 --> 00:17:01,125
that has been
hollowed out and animated by Void.

347
00:17:01,239 --> 00:17:04,209
So maybe Elderbug's dialogue is alluding
to that,

348
00:17:04,329 --> 00:17:08,039
but I still think this is just a common
expression the Elderbug is using.

349
00:17:08,267 --> 00:17:11,623
The next part of MatPat's video has to do
with how the Knight is recognized

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by a few different people as being
related to the King.

351
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First up is the White Lady:

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00:17:16,769 --> 00:17:19,344
[MATPAT] During one of your interactions
with the White Lady,

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00:17:19,344 --> 00:17:20,400
AKA the Queen,

354
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,110
she outright says to the Knight,

355
00:17:22,110 --> 00:17:24,161
"Is it more than just a vessel?

356
00:17:24,161 --> 00:17:27,691
I feel like once again I am
in the presence of my beloved Wyrm."

357
00:17:27,691 --> 00:17:29,861
Wyrm being another name for the Pale King.

358
00:17:30,020 --> 00:17:32,882
[MOSSBAG] This dialogue only appears
within a certain context

359
00:17:32,882 --> 00:17:34,650
that MatPat fails to mention.

360
00:17:35,137 --> 00:17:38,557
This dialogue is triggered after
the Knight collects the Kingsoul charm.

361
00:17:38,769 --> 00:17:42,569
This charm is described as symbolizing a
union between two higher beings,

362
00:17:42,569 --> 00:17:46,179
and pieces of this charm can be found in
the possession of both the White Lady

363
00:17:46,179 --> 00:17:47,789
and the Pale King's corpse.

364
00:17:48,474 --> 00:17:51,484
So part of this charm literally came from
the Pale King,

365
00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:54,384
which means it's no surprise that the
White Lady thinks of him

366
00:17:54,384 --> 00:17:57,214
when the Knight has it, and only
when the Knight has it.

367
00:17:57,589 --> 00:18:01,329
Also, when talking to the White Lady with
the Grimmchild charm fully upgraded,

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she says this:

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00:18:02,548 --> 00:18:07,468
"Success then for the scarlet heart, and
irony to use my spawn to grow its own."

370
00:18:07,968 --> 00:18:10,176
She literally calls the Knight her "spawn"

371
00:18:10,176 --> 00:18:12,976
so I don't think the Knight
is supposed to be her husband.

372
00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:16,158
Now don't get me wrong, I'm into some
kinky shit,

373
00:18:16,158 --> 00:18:18,608
but even I think that's too much, man.

374
00:18:18,764 --> 00:18:20,791
[MATPAT] And she's not the only one who
gets

375
00:18:20,791 --> 00:18:23,041
kingly vibes from the Player Character.

376
00:18:23,041 --> 00:18:24,311
The White Defender,

377
00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:26,479
one of the Pale King's five main knights,

378
00:18:26,479 --> 00:18:29,183
also has interesting dialogue. Quote:

379
00:18:29,183 --> 00:18:32,355
"Your noble bearing
reminds me of our dear King."

380
00:18:32,355 --> 00:18:34,515
So that's two of the King's closest
relations

381
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,030
being reminded of their dearly departed
when they interact with us.

382
00:18:38,131 --> 00:18:41,376
[MOSSBAG] You don't need to have the
Kingsoul to fight the White Defender,

383
00:18:41,376 --> 00:18:44,676
but notice how toned down this line is
from what the White Lady said.

384
00:18:45,042 --> 00:18:49,189
The White Defender says the Knight reminds
him of the Pale King, which makes sense,

385
00:18:49,189 --> 00:18:52,679
considering the fact that
the Knight is the child of the Pale King.

386
00:18:53,053 --> 00:18:56,803
Matt then mentions the royal retainers,
and how they bow to the Knight.

387
00:18:56,803 --> 00:18:59,533
[MATPAT] Ten out of ten royal retainers
can't be wrong:

388
00:18:59,533 --> 00:19:03,093
you are royalty, plain and simple.

389
00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,032
[MOSSBAG] Now some
people in the comments section

390
00:19:05,032 --> 00:19:08,251
were arguing that they only bow if the
Knight has the King's Brand,

391
00:19:08,531 --> 00:19:09,963
but that's not true.

392
00:19:09,963 --> 00:19:11,343
They bow regardless.

393
00:19:11,542 --> 00:19:15,302
This is an argument I've seen a lot from
the people who disagree with MatPat:

394
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That most of the characters being reminded
of the Pale King

395
00:19:18,072 --> 00:19:19,352
when looking at the Knight

396
00:19:19,352 --> 00:19:21,412
can be explained via the King's Brand.

397
00:19:21,412 --> 00:19:23,432
But you can reach the White Defender

398
00:19:23,432 --> 00:19:24,461
and the White Palace

399
00:19:24,461 --> 00:19:26,071
without the King's Brand.

400
00:19:26,141 --> 00:19:27,811
To my knowledge, the only character

401
00:19:27,811 --> 00:19:29,863
confirmed to explicitly mistake the Knight

402
00:19:29,863 --> 00:19:32,043
for the Pale King due to the King's Brand

403
00:19:32,043 --> 00:19:33,643
is Eternal Emelitia.

404
00:19:33,775 --> 00:19:37,110
But it doesn't really matter that the
Knight doesn't have the King's Brand,

405
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:40,280
because you can still argue that the
royal retainers are bowing

406
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,500
because the Knight
is related to the Pale King.

407
00:19:42,838 --> 00:19:46,198
There are statues of the Hollow Knight in
the White Palace, after all.

408
00:19:46,198 --> 00:19:49,655
Which could mean that they revered the
vessels as well as the Pale King,

409
00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:53,215
but there are a lot of questions
surrounding the royal retainers.

410
00:19:53,287 --> 00:19:54,647
If you dream nail them,

411
00:19:54,647 --> 00:19:56,747
they appear to be
talking to the Pale King.

412
00:19:56,845 --> 00:19:59,705
They mention things like,
"… We will wait… King…"

413
00:19:59,705 --> 00:20:02,865
and, "…King… Your troubles… Let us…"

414
00:20:02,865 --> 00:20:06,522
Another detail worth mentioning is that
the royal retainers explode into essence

415
00:20:06,522 --> 00:20:07,522
when they are killed,

416
00:20:07,522 --> 00:20:09,142
leaving no corpse behind.

417
00:20:09,142 --> 00:20:10,882
So what should we make of this?

418
00:20:11,267 --> 00:20:13,297
It seems to me like these bugs are unaware

419
00:20:13,297 --> 00:20:14,597
that the Pale King is dead,

420
00:20:14,597 --> 00:20:17,034
and are awaiting him to take some sort of
action,

421
00:20:17,034 --> 00:20:18,994
but are worried about his state of mind.

422
00:20:19,358 --> 00:20:23,358
The dream nail dialogue doesn't imply that
they recognize the Knight as the Pale King

423
00:20:23,358 --> 00:20:24,858
who has finally returned,

424
00:20:24,858 --> 00:20:28,248
but again there's something weird going
on with these guys.

425
00:20:28,566 --> 00:20:30,546
They seem to be living in the past,

426
00:20:30,546 --> 00:20:32,816
and are not really
in a lucid state of mind.

427
00:20:33,136 --> 00:20:37,103
So yeah, I think there's a lot of
mystery surrounding these guys,

428
00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:38,773
but to sum this section up:

429
00:20:38,773 --> 00:20:40,983
I still agree with MatPat's point here,

430
00:20:40,983 --> 00:20:43,183
that being that the Knight is royalty.

431
00:20:43,539 --> 00:20:47,009
But again, that doesn't help prove this
reincarnation theory,

432
00:20:47,009 --> 00:20:49,189
because we know that the Knight is royalty

433
00:20:49,189 --> 00:20:51,469
through it being the Pale King's child.

434
00:20:51,749 --> 00:20:53,469
MatPat then goes into a discussion

435
00:20:53,469 --> 00:20:56,142
about how the Pale
King went from his first Wyrm form

436
00:20:56,362 --> 00:20:58,082
into his second bug form.

437
00:20:58,291 --> 00:20:59,834
This occurred at Kingdom's Edge,

438
00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:01,834
where the Wyrm's
corpse can still be found.

439
00:21:02,225 --> 00:21:05,735
A fat-ass caterpillar named Bardoon
explains that when Wyrms die,

440
00:21:05,735 --> 00:21:07,093
they don't just die

441
00:21:07,093 --> 00:21:09,473
but actually transform
into something else.

442
00:21:09,664 --> 00:21:13,182
[MATPAT] So Bardoon knows the Pale King
spawned out of the Wyrm,

443
00:21:13,182 --> 00:21:15,415
he clearly says that
the kingdom is his doing,

444
00:21:15,415 --> 00:21:17,865
but this line of "more transformation"

445
00:21:17,865 --> 00:21:20,225
seems to imply that the Pale King's death

446
00:21:20,225 --> 00:21:23,305
would only lead to yet another form.

447
00:21:23,305 --> 00:21:26,255
Do we think that Team Cherry put this line
in here for no reason?

448
00:21:26,255 --> 00:21:28,005
I THINK NOT.

449
00:21:28,005 --> 00:21:30,555
[MOSSBAG] Bardoon isn't saying
"more transformation"

450
00:21:30,555 --> 00:21:32,818
as in there'll be another transformation.

451
00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:34,798
He's saying that death, for a Wyrm,

452
00:21:34,798 --> 00:21:36,708
is more <i>like</i> a transformation.

453
00:21:36,708 --> 00:21:40,059
Now is there anything in the game
that says the Pale King can or cannot

454
00:21:40,059 --> 00:21:41,679
transform a second time?

455
00:21:41,936 --> 00:21:43,036
… Well, no.

456
00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:46,387
But we don't really have any proof that
the Pale King <i>did</i> transform

457
00:21:46,387 --> 00:21:47,613
into a third form.

458
00:21:47,613 --> 00:21:49,377
Let's look at the egg that the Pale King

459
00:21:49,377 --> 00:21:50,967
hatched out of from the Wyrm.

460
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Page 111 of the Wanderer's
Journal discusses this transition:

461
00:21:56,260 --> 00:21:58,750
"What happened to the Wyrm from there
is a mystery;

462
00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:00,670
"it doesn't appear to have died there,

463
00:22:00,670 --> 00:22:03,280
"so perhaps it shed its gargantuan form

464
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,510
"and became something entirely different.

465
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:07,230
"Deep within the maw of the carcass,

466
00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:10,590
a pale, broken egg of some sort hints at
such a rebirth."

467
00:22:10,902 --> 00:22:13,364
This implies that the Pale King hatched
out of the egg

468
00:22:13,364 --> 00:22:15,414
inside the cast-off shell of the Wyrm.

469
00:22:15,746 --> 00:22:18,926
So how exactly does the Pale King's third
form materialize?

470
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,990
We find his corpse on the throne,

471
00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:24,030
but we can't go inside of him to check if
there's another egg in there somewhere.

472
00:22:24,304 --> 00:22:26,854
There's the egg on the right hand side of
the room,

473
00:22:26,854 --> 00:22:30,244
but that doesn't really seem like
something a creature would hatch from.

474
00:22:30,244 --> 00:22:33,697
It was probably even made before the Pale
King's second form died,

475
00:22:33,697 --> 00:22:36,371
since it appears to be written from his
perspective.

476
00:22:36,371 --> 00:22:38,681
But MatPat has his own theory about all
this,

477
00:22:38,681 --> 00:22:40,871
so let's table this discussion for now.

478
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:43,910
After talking about how the Pale King
might have a third form,

479
00:22:44,127 --> 00:22:46,507
MatPat begins to explain what Void is,

480
00:22:46,507 --> 00:22:48,387
where it's found, and how it works.

481
00:22:48,578 --> 00:22:52,070
He draws our attention to the lore
tablet found in the Pale King's workshop.

482
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:55,010
This tablet explains that the Void is
opposed to the Pale King,

483
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:58,210
but that Void contains a power to deny
time itself.

484
00:22:58,369 --> 00:22:59,820
[MATPAT] This quote is interesting.

485
00:22:59,820 --> 00:23:01,531
Based on the clues in that workroom,

486
00:23:01,531 --> 00:23:03,207
as well as the game's bestiary,

487
00:23:03,207 --> 00:23:06,577
we know that the Pale King was using void
to create soldiers:

488
00:23:06,577 --> 00:23:09,910
the Kingsmoulds and Wingmoulds that
populate his White Palace.

489
00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:12,320
We also know that he was using Void to
create

490
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,980
the vessels intended
to trap the infection.

491
00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:16,380
Vessels like the Hollow Knight,

492
00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:18,316
which would also include our character.

493
00:23:18,316 --> 00:23:21,706
But this quote is referencing him using
the Void for yet another purpose.

494
00:23:21,706 --> 00:23:23,036
A third purpose;

495
00:23:23,036 --> 00:23:24,306
not fighting the Radiance;

496
00:23:24,306 --> 00:23:25,786
not protecting his castle;

497
00:23:25,786 --> 00:23:28,658
but instead fighting time itself.

498
00:23:28,658 --> 00:23:32,530
He wants to use the Void to achieve
eternal life.

499
00:23:32,530 --> 00:23:33,393
For himself?

500
00:23:33,393 --> 00:23:34,263
For his kingdom?

501
00:23:34,263 --> 00:23:35,133
It's unclear,

502
00:23:35,133 --> 00:23:38,033
but it once again gives credence to the
idea that,

503
00:23:38,033 --> 00:23:39,313
in his next life,

504
00:23:39,313 --> 00:23:43,199
he would choose to rebirth himself as a
Void-based creature.

505
00:23:43,199 --> 00:23:45,847
One not bound by the restrictions of time.

506
00:23:45,847 --> 00:23:48,117
One just like our Knight.

507
00:23:48,117 --> 00:23:50,417
[MOSSBAG] I kind of agree with a little
bit of this…

508
00:23:50,417 --> 00:23:51,517
but not really.

509
00:23:52,022 --> 00:23:55,152
I think the purpose of "denying time"
refers to the Radiance,

510
00:23:55,152 --> 00:23:56,822
who the Pale King is trying to stop

511
00:23:56,822 --> 00:23:59,272
in order to keep his kingdom lasting
eternally.

512
00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:02,039
There are several bits of dialogue to look
over here.

513
00:24:02,299 --> 00:24:06,939
Both Hornet and the Hive Queen Vespa refer
to Hallownest as being in "perpetuation."

514
00:24:07,094 --> 00:24:09,434
Or, in other words, "frozen in time."

515
00:24:09,702 --> 00:24:12,852
Monomon calls Hallownest
"a world forever unchanging."

516
00:24:13,146 --> 00:24:16,666
Both Hornet and the Mask Maker mention
that the kingdom is in stasis.

517
00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:20,470
And then we have the dialogue directly
connecting all this to the Hollow Knight.

518
00:24:20,754 --> 00:24:23,054
The monuments to the Hollow Knight and
the Dreamers

519
00:24:23,054 --> 00:24:24,934
mention that through their actions

520
00:24:24,934 --> 00:24:26,354
Hallownest lasts eternal.

521
00:24:26,593 --> 00:24:29,137
The lore tablet in the White Palace
throne room reads,

522
00:24:29,137 --> 00:24:32,647
"Eternity in promise and charge in progeny
cursed."

523
00:24:32,952 --> 00:24:35,062
This line is likely referring to how the 
Pale King

524
00:24:35,062 --> 00:24:37,167
planned to keep his kingdom lasting
eternally

525
00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:39,622
by somehow cursing his descendants.

526
00:24:39,622 --> 00:24:41,413
And that's exactly what he did:

527
00:24:41,413 --> 00:24:43,323
the Hollow Knight is described by Hornet

528
00:24:43,323 --> 00:24:45,173
as being "our birth-cursed sibling,"

529
00:24:45,362 --> 00:24:49,257
and Hornet has dream nail dialogue during
the Greenpath fight that reads,

530
00:24:49,257 --> 00:24:51,657
"Only pity for your cursed kind."

531
00:24:51,885 --> 00:24:54,295
All of this is done to hold back the
Radiance.

532
00:24:54,471 --> 00:24:57,791
The Radiance is alluded to as being a
force of nature by Bardoon,

533
00:24:57,791 --> 00:24:58,761
the Moss Prophet,

534
00:24:58,761 --> 00:25:00,181
and Hive Queen Vespa.

535
00:25:00,372 --> 00:25:02,515
The Radiance is the inevitable dawn

536
00:25:02,515 --> 00:25:04,765
that will eventually
break over the horizon.

537
00:25:04,978 --> 00:25:07,028
Now dev notes aren't necessarily canon,

538
00:25:07,028 --> 00:25:10,385
but there are also dev notes explaining
that the kingdom is in stasis,

539
00:25:10,385 --> 00:25:13,695
and that the events of Hollow Knight take
place over one long night.

540
00:25:13,971 --> 00:25:15,251
So to recap:

541
00:25:15,251 --> 00:25:18,691
the "deny time" line from the
tablet in the Pale King's workshop

542
00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:22,111
is probably referring to how the Pale King
planned to create a Vessel

543
00:25:22,111 --> 00:25:24,991
that could be used
to deny the arrival of the Radiance,

544
00:25:24,991 --> 00:25:28,111
placing all of Hallownest
in some kind of stasis.

545
00:25:28,251 --> 00:25:31,285
Nothing implies that the Pale King was
doing this to himself.

546
00:25:31,285 --> 00:25:34,597
I would argue that Void could never give
the Pale King eternal life;

547
00:25:34,597 --> 00:25:36,337
the Void is the power opposed,

548
00:25:36,337 --> 00:25:39,287
so it would probably kill him if he tried
to fuse with it.

549
00:25:39,624 --> 00:25:43,204
After all, we know that the vessels were
killed by the Void,

550
00:25:43,204 --> 00:25:45,484
since the White Lady mentions that the
Knight died

551
00:25:45,484 --> 00:25:47,304
in the birthplace where it was born.

552
00:25:47,438 --> 00:25:50,138
[MATPAT] Making this connection even more
interesting

553
00:25:50,138 --> 00:25:51,058
are the eggs.

554
00:25:51,058 --> 00:25:52,728
Just outside the
Pale King's throne room

555
00:25:52,728 --> 00:25:55,438
is a lore tablet
housed inside of a black egg.

556
00:25:55,438 --> 00:25:58,118
A tablet that speaks of the ancient Wyrm

557
00:25:58,118 --> 00:25:59,515
becoming the Pale King.

558
00:25:59,515 --> 00:26:04,415
It seems to suggest that this egg here is
where version 1.0 of the Pale King

559
00:26:04,415 --> 00:26:07,395
hatched into its
upgraded form… as it were.

560
00:26:07,395 --> 00:26:10,633
And now look at the birthplace of our
Knight down in the Abyss:

561
00:26:10,633 --> 00:26:12,293
a similar black egg.

562
00:26:12,293 --> 00:26:15,392
Could it be where version 2.0 transformed
yet again?

563
00:26:15,566 --> 00:26:18,719
[MOSSBAG] I don't believe the
phrase "The Wyrm becomes beacon"

564
00:26:18,719 --> 00:26:21,229
is talking about
the Pale King's transformation.

565
00:26:21,229 --> 00:26:25,069
I think this sentence is about how the
Pale King expanded the minds of bugs.

566
00:26:25,123 --> 00:26:28,823
Basically, the Pale King was able to grant
bugs sapience through his beacon,

567
00:26:28,823 --> 00:26:31,373
but we don't really
have a lot of information on this.

568
00:26:31,492 --> 00:26:35,492
If I had to guess, I'd say it might be
some sort of metaphysical power.

569
00:26:35,821 --> 00:26:39,171
The word beacon is used only
one other time in the whole game,

570
00:26:39,171 --> 00:26:40,721
and it's by the Godseeker.

571
00:26:40,721 --> 00:26:42,941
She says, "Even long departed,

572
00:26:42,941 --> 00:26:46,171
"we feel the afterglow of
the God-power that sat this throne…

573
00:26:46,171 --> 00:26:48,051
"It lays heavy upon this kingdom.

574
00:26:48,051 --> 00:26:51,692
"That lingering power alone was
beacon enough to draw Us to Hallownest.

575
00:26:51,692 --> 00:26:54,982
How bright it must have been to mortal
bug stood before it."

576
00:26:55,157 --> 00:26:57,627
So the afterglow of
the Pale King's God-power

577
00:26:57,627 --> 00:26:59,947
acted as a beacon for the Godseekers.

578
00:27:00,254 --> 00:27:03,874
Is this the same concept as the beacon
mentioned in the lore tablet?

579
00:27:03,874 --> 00:27:05,864
MatPat appears to think "beacon"

580
00:27:05,864 --> 00:27:08,694
is another name
for the Pale King's smaller form,

581
00:27:09,003 --> 00:27:10,803
which I guess is possible,

582
00:27:10,803 --> 00:27:12,613
but it's kind of a weird name.

583
00:27:13,026 --> 00:27:14,664
When I see this,

584
00:27:14,664 --> 00:27:16,364
I don't really think of this.

585
00:27:16,528 --> 00:27:19,068
I'm a little
confused by MatPat's next point.

586
00:27:19,317 --> 00:27:20,385
Like I said earlier,

587
00:27:20,385 --> 00:27:23,381
there's evidence to suggest that the egg
the Pale King was hatched from

588
00:27:23,381 --> 00:27:25,151
is found in the cast-off shell

589
00:27:25,151 --> 00:27:26,311
in Kingdom's Edge.

590
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:29,673
Here, MatPat is arguing that the egg in
the throne room

591
00:27:29,673 --> 00:27:31,553
is what the Pale King hatched from.

592
00:27:31,553 --> 00:27:33,132
What's confusing to me is that

593
00:27:33,132 --> 00:27:36,163
earlier in the video, it's implied that
the cast-off shell egg

594
00:27:36,163 --> 00:27:38,173
<i>was</i> what the Pale King hatched from.

595
00:27:38,236 --> 00:27:40,486
[MATPAT] It is clearly established in the
lore

596
00:27:40,486 --> 00:27:43,206
that the King has
the ability to transform.

597
00:27:43,206 --> 00:27:47,206
In fact, the Pale King form is actually
his version 2.0.

598
00:27:47,232 --> 00:27:49,361
[MOSSBAG] I don't know if there was some
miscommunication

599
00:27:49,361 --> 00:27:51,382
between MatPat and one of his editors,

600
00:27:51,382 --> 00:27:53,458
or if there was
a script change or something,

601
00:27:53,458 --> 00:27:55,918
but I figured I'd point this out because…

602
00:27:55,918 --> 00:27:56,618
It's…

603
00:27:56,618 --> 00:27:57,318
<i>weird.</i>

604
00:27:57,588 --> 00:27:59,078
The video gets it right initially,

605
00:27:59,078 --> 00:28:01,558
but then contradicts itself a few minutes
later.

606
00:28:01,958 --> 00:28:04,508
So it seems unlikely that the Pale King
was hatched

607
00:28:04,508 --> 00:28:06,028
from the egg in the throne room,

608
00:28:06,028 --> 00:28:08,268
so what exactly is going on with this egg?

609
00:28:08,734 --> 00:28:10,024
Honestly, I don't know.

610
00:28:10,024 --> 00:28:11,544
There are a few other eggs in the game

611
00:28:11,544 --> 00:28:14,054
that appear to store information similar
to this one.

612
00:28:14,054 --> 00:28:16,374
The egg-looking things
found in the King's Pass,

613
00:28:16,374 --> 00:28:19,204
Ancient Basin, and Black Egg are all lore
tablets.

614
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:23,170
We also know that the arcane eggs were
used to store information somehow.

615
00:28:23,170 --> 00:28:26,470
Is this egg similar to those eggs in its
creation and design?

616
00:28:26,753 --> 00:28:27,563
On the other hand,

617
00:28:27,563 --> 00:28:30,703
the floor here is similar
to the floor found in the Black Egg

618
00:28:30,703 --> 00:28:32,503
so maybe it's related to that.

619
00:28:32,503 --> 00:28:33,420
Regardless,

620
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:37,240
it seems pretty unlikely that
the Pale King was born from this egg,

621
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,010
given that the Wanderer's Journal
does everything short of flat-out

622
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:42,870
saying he hatched from the egg in the
cast-off shell.

623
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:46,870
Finally, MatPat questions whether or not
the Pale King's third form was born out of

624
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:48,510
this egg in the Abyss;

625
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:50,750
the one our Knight was presumably born
from.

626
00:28:51,052 --> 00:28:53,552
This is where things go really
off the rails.

627
00:28:53,794 --> 00:28:56,024
Remember how I mentioned before that
the Knight

628
00:28:56,024 --> 00:28:59,104
and the Pale King show up in the same room
at one point?

629
00:28:59,104 --> 00:29:01,284
Well that happens in a cutscene that can
be triggered

630
00:29:01,284 --> 00:29:03,944
after the Knight strikes its own
reflection on this egg

631
00:29:03,944 --> 00:29:05,194
with the Dream Nail.

632
00:29:05,355 --> 00:29:06,715
In this sequence,

633
00:29:06,715 --> 00:29:08,800
the Knight climbs to the top of the Abyss.

634
00:29:08,895 --> 00:29:09,795
When they get there,

635
00:29:09,795 --> 00:29:11,255
they see the Pale King leaving

636
00:29:11,255 --> 00:29:13,535
alongside a younger version of the Hollow
Knight

637
00:29:13,535 --> 00:29:17,005
that looks back before the Knight
plunges back into the darkness.

638
00:29:17,221 --> 00:29:18,501
After this cutscene

639
00:29:18,501 --> 00:29:20,841
the Kingsoul charm turns into the
Void Heart,

640
00:29:20,841 --> 00:29:24,361
a charm required to unlock the four
alternate endings to the game.

641
00:29:24,441 --> 00:29:28,301
This cutscene is arguably one of the most
important moments in the game,

642
00:29:28,301 --> 00:29:31,211
showing the Pale King at one of his lowest
points

643
00:29:31,211 --> 00:29:33,791
choosing to sacrifice his children to the
Void

644
00:29:33,791 --> 00:29:35,931
in order to create a pure vessel.

645
00:29:36,131 --> 00:29:39,511
There's a lot of dialogue and symbolism
surrounding this event,

646
00:29:39,511 --> 00:29:42,441
and none of it hints at the Pale King
becoming the Knight.

647
00:29:42,593 --> 00:29:44,343
Let's look at the Kingsoul again.

648
00:29:44,490 --> 00:29:47,830
This charm symbolizes the union between
two higher beings.

649
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:49,130
In other words,

650
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:51,800
this charm represents the children of the
Pale King.

651
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,040
When talking to the White Lady with this
charm,

652
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,910
she will tell the Knight to visit that
place where it was born,

653
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:58,010
where it died,

654
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:59,350
where it all began.

655
00:29:59,778 --> 00:30:01,568
She's referring to an area in the Abyss

656
00:30:01,568 --> 00:30:04,178
described as a birthplace by the Kingsoul
charm.

657
00:30:04,402 --> 00:30:05,542
In this location,

658
00:30:05,542 --> 00:30:07,222
the Knight finds its birthplace:

659
00:30:07,222 --> 00:30:09,519
an egg, connected to Void tendrils.

660
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,120
After experiencing the birthplace
cutscene,

661
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,440
the Kingsoul turns into the Void Heart.

662
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,260
This is symbolic of the children of the
Pale King and White Lady

663
00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:19,560
becoming corrupted by the Void itself.

664
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,668
That's what the Pale King means when he
says

665
00:30:21,668 --> 00:30:25,248
"…Soul of Wyrm. Soul of Root.
Heart of Void…"

666
00:30:25,426 --> 00:30:27,506
The Knight acquiring the Void Heart

667
00:30:27,506 --> 00:30:30,466
symbolizes how it has come to terms
with its past.

668
00:30:30,510 --> 00:30:33,500
In fact, the achievement you get after
this cutscene

669
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:36,210
strongly implies it's
a scene from the past.

670
00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:38,190
The Void achievement reads,

671
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:40,890
"Remember the past and unite the Abyss."

672
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:43,100
The White Lady also
remarks on this, saying,

673
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,440
"Truly, it has been transformed by the
revelations it found."

674
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:47,610
In summary,

675
00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:49,880
this scene is showing
a memory from the Knight

676
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,740
when it was discarded into the Abyss

677
00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:52,940
by the Pale King.

678
00:30:53,349 --> 00:30:54,329
So in other words,

679
00:30:54,329 --> 00:30:55,849
it's completely impossible

680
00:30:55,849 --> 00:30:57,969
for the Pale King to hatch out of this egg

681
00:30:57,969 --> 00:31:00,019
if what we see here is a memory.

682
00:31:00,099 --> 00:31:01,649
And like the achievement said,

683
00:31:01,649 --> 00:31:05,099
the cutscene allows the Knight to remember
its past.

684
00:31:05,402 --> 00:31:08,622
Now, MatPat didn't mention this cutscene
at all in his video;

685
00:31:08,622 --> 00:31:11,492
however, he did leave a pinned comment
addressing the issue.

686
00:31:11,691 --> 00:31:15,781
He says that he cut the part talking about
this scene from the video for both time

687
00:31:15,781 --> 00:31:19,741
and because it was "too complicated for
the tone he was looking for in the video."

688
00:31:20,151 --> 00:31:21,331
For his first point,

689
00:31:21,331 --> 00:31:24,361
videos on YouTube can be much longer
than 20 minutes

690
00:31:24,361 --> 00:31:26,441
so that's no excuse, in my opinion.

691
00:31:26,664 --> 00:31:29,844
I get that The Game Theorists is a big
channel with employees;

692
00:31:30,174 --> 00:31:31,094
schedules;

693
00:31:31,383 --> 00:31:33,693
semi-annual office blood rituals;

694
00:31:33,822 --> 00:31:34,582
overhead;

695
00:31:34,781 --> 00:31:35,719
low toner;

696
00:31:36,148 --> 00:31:38,338
shit that I mostly
don't have to worry about.

697
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:40,700
But if your format is forcing you to cut

698
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:42,920
crucial information out of your videos,

699
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,590
which are trying to provide persuasive
arguments,

700
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:47,610
then you need to do some retooling.

701
00:31:47,768 --> 00:31:50,098
As for his second point, I agree.

702
00:31:50,098 --> 00:31:51,838
It does complicate things,

703
00:31:51,838 --> 00:31:55,558
especially considering it debunks his
entire video if he can't counter it.

704
00:31:55,758 --> 00:31:57,234
But it's not that big of a deal

705
00:31:57,234 --> 00:31:59,154
since MatPat tackled the counterargument

706
00:31:59,154 --> 00:32:00,784
in this pinned comment.

707
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:02,429
So let's see what he's got.

708
00:32:02,429 --> 00:32:05,359
First he says that the Pale King is
"transparent" in this scene,

709
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,899
which might hint at him not really being
there.

710
00:32:08,224 --> 00:32:10,734
I have no idea what MatPat is talking
about here.

711
00:32:10,734 --> 00:32:13,514
The Pale King does have a glow around him
in this scene,

712
00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:15,944
but the Pale King has been described as
being a light

713
00:32:15,944 --> 00:32:17,914
or giving off a light by Seer,

714
00:32:17,914 --> 00:32:19,270
the Archive tablets,

715
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:20,800
the Throne Room tablets,

716
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,850
the Last Stag,

717
00:32:21,850 --> 00:32:23,290
and Eternal Emelitia.

718
00:32:23,494 --> 00:32:26,604
So the transparency argument is debunked
by…

719
00:32:26,604 --> 00:32:28,327
having eyes.

720
00:32:28,728 --> 00:32:32,528
Then MatPat says that because the
birthplace cutscene is a dream sequence,

721
00:32:32,528 --> 00:32:34,918
technically anything is possible.

722
00:32:35,028 --> 00:32:35,778
Which…

723
00:32:36,316 --> 00:32:37,066
…um…

724
00:32:37,286 --> 00:32:38,866
[JUSTIN] I give it to
you, you got me there.

725
00:32:39,851 --> 00:32:40,932
[MOSSBAG] I mean, sure,

726
00:32:40,932 --> 00:32:42,251
anything is possible.

727
00:32:42,571 --> 00:32:45,051
Hell, maybe Ronald McDonald
was there too,

728
00:32:45,051 --> 00:32:46,531
but the Knight suppressed that memory

729
00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:48,511
so much that we just can't see him.

730
00:32:48,511 --> 00:32:50,691
There are a lot of different ways to
interpret something,

731
00:32:50,691 --> 00:32:51,962
but the best interpretations

732
00:32:51,962 --> 00:32:53,642
are the ones that
line up with what we know

733
00:32:53,642 --> 00:32:55,392
about the rest of the game's lore.

734
00:32:55,542 --> 00:32:58,972
If we just assume that this is the Knight
remembering its own past,

735
00:32:58,972 --> 00:33:01,682
like the achievement message strongly
implies,

736
00:33:01,682 --> 00:33:04,012
then there aren't really any problems with
this cutscene.

737
00:33:04,234 --> 00:33:07,034
But if we think the Pale King later turns
into the Knight,

738
00:33:07,034 --> 00:33:09,704
then this whole scene becomes a complete
mess.

739
00:33:09,897 --> 00:33:13,737
This is the moment the Knight has a huge
revelation about its true nature.

740
00:33:13,857 --> 00:33:16,337
How exactly is this scene revealing to the
Knight

741
00:33:16,337 --> 00:33:17,997
that it is the Pale King?

742
00:33:18,326 --> 00:33:20,755
You'd think that this moment would at
least hint at it,

743
00:33:20,755 --> 00:33:22,836
and not completely contradict it.

744
00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:24,938
Why does this scene exist at all?

745
00:33:25,117 --> 00:33:26,647
What's the point of it?

746
00:33:26,804 --> 00:33:29,964
The weight of this entire scene is
neutered by MatPat's theory.

747
00:33:30,381 --> 00:33:32,551
It no longer becomes an emotional moment

748
00:33:32,551 --> 00:33:34,341
showing how the Knight was discarded

749
00:33:34,341 --> 00:33:36,621
just like the other thousands of vessels,

750
00:33:36,621 --> 00:33:39,081
but instead this scene becomes an eyesore;

751
00:33:39,081 --> 00:33:42,241
a loose end to a theory that sounds cool
on the surface,

752
00:33:42,241 --> 00:33:44,991
but doesn't resonate with what we see in
the game.

753
00:33:45,383 --> 00:33:47,623
But I've been talking for way too long.

754
00:33:47,726 --> 00:33:49,426
Let's get back to MatPat.

755
00:33:49,623 --> 00:33:52,073
He then mentions how the nursery song in
the White Palace

756
00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:55,313
is the same song we hear when the Knight
is next to its shade.

757
00:33:55,693 --> 00:33:58,333
He then mentions the journal entry for the
shade.

758
00:33:58,505 --> 00:34:00,655
[MATPAT] The description of these shadows
reads,

759
00:34:00,655 --> 00:34:02,470
"Echo of a previous life.

760
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:05,370
"Each of us leaves an imprint of something
when we die.

761
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:07,170
A stain on the world."

762
00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:10,720
So the sound that accompanies our
Knight's past life

763
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,998
coincides with the same sound

764
00:34:12,998 --> 00:34:16,208
from a nursery housed inside the Pale
King's palace?

765
00:34:16,208 --> 00:34:19,698
The existence of a connection between our
Knight and the Pale King

766
00:34:19,698 --> 00:34:21,192
seems undeniable.

767
00:34:21,491 --> 00:34:24,221
[MOSSBAG] I think there's a much
better interpretation for this.

768
00:34:24,401 --> 00:34:27,211
After the Pale King chose the Hollow
Knight as the Vessel,

769
00:34:27,211 --> 00:34:29,661
the Hollow Knight likely lived in the
White Palace.

770
00:34:30,008 --> 00:34:33,478
We even see that this is the case in the
Path of Pain cutscene.

771
00:34:33,478 --> 00:34:36,518
So chances are the Hollow Knight was kept
in this crib.

772
00:34:36,619 --> 00:34:39,249
The Hollow Knight is, of course, similar
to the Knight

773
00:34:39,249 --> 00:34:42,249
in that it is a child of the Pale King and
the White Lady,

774
00:34:42,249 --> 00:34:44,909
and it also has a shade similar to the
Knight.

775
00:34:45,179 --> 00:34:47,419
Connecting this nursery song to the Pale
King

776
00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:49,299
to say he became a Void creature

777
00:34:49,299 --> 00:34:50,739
is a much bigger leap.

778
00:34:50,903 --> 00:34:53,852
And it also has another
problem that I will get into shortly.

779
00:34:53,852 --> 00:34:54,573
But first,

780
00:34:54,573 --> 00:34:56,813
let me play another
section of MatPat's video.

781
00:34:57,140 --> 00:34:59,930
[MATPAT] It's almost as if the King laid
the groundwork

782
00:34:59,930 --> 00:35:01,740
for him to be reborn as Void,

783
00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:02,350
died,

784
00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:05,260
was hatched of Void from the black egg
in the Abyss,

785
00:35:05,260 --> 00:35:07,650
was taken back to the Palace to be raised

786
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:09,450
and was eventually sent away from the
kingdom

787
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:11,200
to avoid succumbing to the infection,

788
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,690
only to be called back when he was older

789
00:35:13,690 --> 00:35:16,260
and when the Hollow Knight started losing
control.

790
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:17,060
[MOSSBAG] Okay,

791
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:18,790
let's take this piece by piece.

792
00:35:19,157 --> 00:35:21,845
First, MatPat says that the King
"laid the groundwork

793
00:35:21,845 --> 00:35:23,675
for him to be reborn as Void."

794
00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:25,910
There is no evidence for this.

795
00:35:26,021 --> 00:35:28,041
I'm guessing MatPat is basing this off of

796
00:35:28,041 --> 00:35:30,801
the "deny time" section of the workshop
tablet,

797
00:35:30,801 --> 00:35:33,301
but again I don't
think the tablet is referring

798
00:35:33,301 --> 00:35:36,661
to the Pale King's desire to become
a Void creature, at all.

799
00:35:37,091 --> 00:35:39,471
Next, he says that the Pale King died.

800
00:35:39,788 --> 00:35:42,885
[♪ 'For The Damaged Coda' by
Blonde Redhead ♪]

801
00:35:42,885 --> 00:35:43,135
(RIP glowing fork man)

802
00:35:43,135 --> 00:35:43,855
Damn.

803
00:35:44,025 --> 00:35:46,785
I actually completely agree with MatPat on
this one.

804
00:35:47,095 --> 00:35:48,805
This calls for a celebration.

805
00:35:48,901 --> 00:35:52,901
[♪ 'Celebration' by Kool & The Gang ♪]

806
00:35:52,901 --> 00:35:54,331
He then says the Pale King was

807
00:35:54,331 --> 00:35:56,632
"hatched of Void from the black egg
in the Abyss."

808
00:35:57,302 --> 00:35:58,952
I don't think that is the case.

809
00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:01,640
We see that the first transformation of
the Pale King

810
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,972
was from an egg inside the Wyrm corpse,

811
00:36:03,972 --> 00:36:05,662
but for his second transformation

812
00:36:05,662 --> 00:36:07,842
he somehow died in the White Palace

813
00:36:07,842 --> 00:36:10,669
and turned into an egg larger than his
own body,

814
00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:13,939
and then the egg was somehow transported
to the Abyss

815
00:36:13,939 --> 00:36:16,769
despite the fact that the gateway to the
Abyss was sealed.

816
00:36:16,769 --> 00:36:18,736
Now, in his pinned comment

817
00:36:18,736 --> 00:36:21,596
MatPat pointed out an issue that I think
is valid.

818
00:36:21,684 --> 00:36:24,074
He asked how exactly were the vessels even
able

819
00:36:24,074 --> 00:36:26,384
to escape the Abyss in the first place.

820
00:36:26,937 --> 00:36:30,307
This has been a pretty big question in the
lore for a while now.

821
00:36:30,644 --> 00:36:32,034
In a Reddit AMA,

822
00:36:32,034 --> 00:36:34,984
Team Cherry mentioned that they weren't
sure how it happened.

823
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:37,414
So yeah, they're pretty much useless as
usual.

824
00:36:37,744 --> 00:36:40,494
This issue can kinda counter my argument
here;

825
00:36:40,494 --> 00:36:43,044
if there are multiple entrances to the
Abyss

826
00:36:43,044 --> 00:36:45,614
then of course they could get the egg back
down there.

827
00:36:45,785 --> 00:36:47,555
I still don't buy that explanation

828
00:36:47,555 --> 00:36:50,505
but I do have a theory about how the 
vessels escaped.

829
00:36:50,771 --> 00:36:52,761
In the bottom right corner of Deepnest,

830
00:36:52,761 --> 00:36:55,891
there's an area that has clearly been
influenced by the Void

831
00:36:56,066 --> 00:36:57,676
and not far from there

832
00:36:57,676 --> 00:37:01,676
we can see that several vessels have
been captured by Nosk in its lair.

833
00:37:01,768 --> 00:37:03,693
So there might be some hidden passage

834
00:37:03,693 --> 00:37:05,686
between the Abyss and Deepnest

835
00:37:05,686 --> 00:37:08,066
that the vessels were able to navigate
through.

836
00:37:08,126 --> 00:37:08,808
Next

837
00:37:08,808 --> 00:37:10,348
MatPat says that the Pale King was

838
00:37:10,348 --> 00:37:12,718
"taken back to the White Palace to be
raised."

839
00:37:12,946 --> 00:37:15,226
So who exactly raised the Pale King?

840
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,390
Was it the White Lady then?

841
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:19,960
That's likely her silhouette on the chair,
right?

842
00:37:20,131 --> 00:37:22,661
Does this mean the White Lady is in on
the plan too?

843
00:37:22,661 --> 00:37:23,966
Because if that's the case,

844
00:37:23,966 --> 00:37:25,326
I have a few issues.

845
00:37:25,525 --> 00:37:26,355
First of all,

846
00:37:26,355 --> 00:37:30,535
why doesn't she recognize the Pale King
immediately if she literally raised him?

847
00:37:30,535 --> 00:37:32,495
Why does she call the Knight her spawn?

848
00:37:32,495 --> 00:37:33,955
But my bigger issue here

849
00:37:33,955 --> 00:37:36,935
is what the White Lady says when the
Knight first meets her.

850
00:37:37,404 --> 00:37:38,354
She says,

851
00:37:38,354 --> 00:37:39,554
"One arrives.

852
00:37:39,554 --> 00:37:41,353
"Far it walks to find me.

853
00:37:41,353 --> 00:37:42,705
"Did it seek my aid?

854
00:37:42,705 --> 00:37:45,975
"Or did the path carry it by chance to so
pertinent a place?

855
00:37:45,975 --> 00:37:47,045
"It is true.

856
00:37:47,045 --> 00:37:48,795
"True, that you were awaited.

857
00:37:48,795 --> 00:37:51,372
"No. Perhaps that is inaccurate.

858
00:37:51,372 --> 00:37:53,812
True one like you was awaited."

859
00:37:53,905 --> 00:37:55,915
Pay attention to how she talks.

860
00:37:55,975 --> 00:37:59,345
The White Lady is indeed waiting for a
vessel to come find her,

861
00:37:59,345 --> 00:38:01,825
but not any one vessel in particular.

862
00:38:01,825 --> 00:38:05,185
She says "one like you was awaited."

863
00:38:05,275 --> 00:38:07,365
She is looking for any vessel,

864
00:38:07,365 --> 00:38:08,845
not a specific one.

865
00:38:09,016 --> 00:38:11,306
If she was in on the Pale King's plan,

866
00:38:11,306 --> 00:38:13,966
then why wouldn't she be looking for him
specifically?

867
00:38:14,073 --> 00:38:16,173
And if she isn't in on the plan,

868
00:38:16,173 --> 00:38:18,553
what's the deal with her silhouette on the
chair?

869
00:38:18,667 --> 00:38:21,967
MatPat finishes by saying that the Pale
King was sent away

870
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:23,897
to avoid succumbing to the infection,

871
00:38:23,897 --> 00:38:26,117
and then was brought back when he was 
older.

872
00:38:26,247 --> 00:38:28,657
I don't really have any issues with this
section

873
00:38:28,657 --> 00:38:31,837
but I do have a broader issue with the
theory that I'd like to talk about.

874
00:38:31,997 --> 00:38:34,417
According to the Hollow Knight game manual

875
00:38:34,417 --> 00:38:37,547
the Pale King went into hiding as his
kingdom fell to ruin.

876
00:38:37,695 --> 00:38:40,135
Relic Seeker Lemm mentions that the Pale
King's palace

877
00:38:40,135 --> 00:38:42,575
disappeared without any sign of struggle,

878
00:38:42,575 --> 00:38:44,375
and in the Wanderer's Journal

879
00:38:44,375 --> 00:38:47,605
Ellina mentions that it appears as though
the Pale King took the White Palace

880
00:38:47,605 --> 00:38:49,955
and his court with him when he fled.

881
00:38:50,293 --> 00:38:52,392
So if MatPat's theory is true,

882
00:38:52,392 --> 00:38:55,042
then how does this information fit with
the lore?

883
00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,682
Is the game manual just completely wrong,

884
00:38:57,682 --> 00:39:00,182
and what's the deal with the White Palace
disappearing?

885
00:39:00,182 --> 00:39:02,562
If the Pale King didn't use it to hide in,

886
00:39:02,562 --> 00:39:04,622
then why is it even in the dream world?

887
00:39:04,622 --> 00:39:07,322
How exactly did the Pale King get out of
the White Palace

888
00:39:07,322 --> 00:39:08,892
if it had a seal on it?

889
00:39:08,942 --> 00:39:11,272
MatPat doesn't really address any of this,

890
00:39:11,272 --> 00:39:15,192
even though it's probably the most
relevant pieces of information related

891
00:39:15,192 --> 00:39:17,482
to what actually happened to the Pale King

892
00:39:17,482 --> 00:39:19,192
after the Hollow Knight was sealed.

893
00:39:19,392 --> 00:39:20,332
Moving on,

894
00:39:20,332 --> 00:39:21,752
MatPat explains how the line

895
00:39:21,752 --> 00:39:23,262
"No cost too great"

896
00:39:23,262 --> 00:39:25,612
that the Pale King says when you dream
nail him

897
00:39:25,612 --> 00:39:28,832
could be referring to how he sacrificed
himself to become the Knight

898
00:39:28,832 --> 00:39:30,932
and take on the infection himself.

899
00:39:30,932 --> 00:39:34,302
The line is also used at the beginning of
the birthplace memory,

900
00:39:34,302 --> 00:39:36,142
so the first time the Pale King says it,

901
00:39:36,142 --> 00:39:38,822
it's definitely referring to the creation
of the vessels.

902
00:39:39,293 --> 00:39:43,333
But I'm not against the phrase being
recontextualized to mean something else,

903
00:39:43,333 --> 00:39:46,033
I just don't think there's enough evidence
to really prove that.

904
00:39:46,233 --> 00:39:50,613
MatPat then gives more evidence for why
the Knight being a reincarnated Pale King

905
00:39:50,613 --> 00:39:51,613
makes sense.

906
00:39:51,942 --> 00:39:54,462
[MATPAT] The Knight being a reincarnated
Pale King

907
00:39:54,462 --> 00:39:56,692
would explain how a nameless, faceless
knight

908
00:39:56,692 --> 00:39:59,715
is so easily able to accept the
King's Brand item

909
00:39:59,715 --> 00:40:02,225
which outright marks him as a king.

910
00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:04,265
[MOSSBAG] I don't think that's the case.

911
00:40:04,375 --> 00:40:06,355
The King's Brand is guarded by Hornet,

912
00:40:06,355 --> 00:40:09,615
which makes me think that getting the
brand itself isn't hard,

913
00:40:09,615 --> 00:40:11,975
but Hornet doesn't want others getting to
it

914
00:40:11,975 --> 00:40:14,505
unless they can prove their strength
like the Knight did.

915
00:40:14,791 --> 00:40:16,221
We also have Hornet saying this

916
00:40:16,221 --> 00:40:18,941
when she hints for the player
to go to the Kingdom's Edge:

917
00:40:19,243 --> 00:40:20,843
"Seek the Grave in Ash

918
00:40:20,843 --> 00:40:23,203
and the mark it would grant one like you."

919
00:40:23,327 --> 00:40:26,047
"One like you" implies that vessels in
general

920
00:40:26,047 --> 00:40:27,607
are able to receive the mark,

921
00:40:27,753 --> 00:40:29,043
and that makes sense.

922
00:40:29,143 --> 00:40:31,223
Midwife also calls the King's Brand

923
00:40:31,223 --> 00:40:33,253
a "bright mark of relationship,"

924
00:40:33,253 --> 00:40:35,453
which I interpret as saying that the
mark's bearer

925
00:40:35,453 --> 00:40:37,313
is a relation to the Pale King.

926
00:40:37,453 --> 00:40:38,493
On top of that,

927
00:40:38,493 --> 00:40:40,773
the vessels are the children of the
Pale King

928
00:40:40,773 --> 00:40:42,263
so, since he's dead,

929
00:40:42,263 --> 00:40:44,943
any one of them should
be able to become the next king.

930
00:40:45,236 --> 00:40:49,766
Also MatPat keeps referring to the Knight
and the Hollow Knight using male pronouns

931
00:40:49,766 --> 00:40:52,186
but in game they are never given genders.

932
00:40:52,186 --> 00:40:54,616
In fact, Hornet is
called "the gendered child"

933
00:40:54,616 --> 00:40:58,276
just to signify how the rest of the Pale
King's children lack genders.

934
00:40:58,516 --> 00:41:01,876
I assume MatPat is just using male
pronouns for convenience,

935
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,540
but that's no excuse to misgender these
poor bugs.

936
00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:06,910
They have it hard enough.

937
00:41:06,910 --> 00:41:08,150
[MATPAT] It would explain how,

938
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:11,620
just like the Pale King snapped the bugs
out of their collective stupor

939
00:41:11,620 --> 00:41:12,660
during his lifetime,

940
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:14,590
our Knight, as you go through the game,

941
00:41:14,590 --> 00:41:16,850
is doing exactly the same thing;

942
00:41:16,850 --> 00:41:18,570
waking up bugs from the infection

943
00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:21,384
and getting them to return to a life in
Dirtmouth.

944
00:41:21,384 --> 00:41:22,504
[MOSSBAG] To be fair,

945
00:41:22,504 --> 00:41:25,306
the Knight only saves two bugs from
the infection:

946
00:41:25,306 --> 00:41:26,636
Sly and Bretta,

947
00:41:26,636 --> 00:41:28,916
and these two are very rare exceptions.

948
00:41:29,036 --> 00:41:32,586
The Knight isn't able to cure any of the
other infected bugs we see.

949
00:41:32,736 --> 00:41:35,476
You'd think that would be easier than
fighting them off.

950
00:41:35,831 --> 00:41:37,611
And of course we can't forget

951
00:41:37,611 --> 00:41:41,511
if the Knight really can snap bugs out
of the infection so easily,

952
00:41:41,511 --> 00:41:43,461
why can't we save Myla?

953
00:41:43,694 --> 00:41:46,164
Did we really fail her that much?

954
00:41:46,354 --> 00:41:48,014
She really deserved better.

955
00:41:48,014 --> 00:41:50,184
[♪ 'For The Damaged Coda' ♪]

956
00:41:50,184 --> 00:41:50,434
(POV: You discover that
mossbag can read your mind--)

957
00:41:50,434 --> 00:41:51,139
On top of that,

958
00:41:51,139 --> 00:41:54,107
the Pale King couldn't snap bugs out of
the infection either.

959
00:41:54,107 --> 00:41:56,007
That was the whole point of the Vessel,

960
00:41:56,007 --> 00:41:59,072
it was the only way the Pale King could
deal with the infection.

961
00:41:59,072 --> 00:42:01,656
[MATPAT] It would explain how
only you and the Pale King

962
00:42:01,656 --> 00:42:03,676
are seen to use the Monarch Wings item.

963
00:42:04,155 --> 00:42:05,655
[MOSSBAG] That's true,

964
00:42:05,655 --> 00:42:08,975
but the Monarch Wings could
probably be worn by any vessel

965
00:42:08,975 --> 00:42:12,265
as long as they had a cape for
the Monarch Flies to morph into.

966
00:42:12,265 --> 00:42:15,765
[MATPAT] And if all of that wasn't
enough to convince you,

967
00:42:15,765 --> 00:42:19,225
in cut dialogue that
was datamined from the game,

968
00:42:19,225 --> 00:42:21,655
if you dream nail the final boss,

969
00:42:21,655 --> 00:42:22,935
the Hollow Knight himself,

970
00:42:22,935 --> 00:42:24,145
it will say this:

971
00:42:24,145 --> 00:42:24,895
"…Father?…"

972
00:42:24,895 --> 00:42:26,765
Doesn't get much more explicit than that.

973
00:42:26,765 --> 00:42:28,205
[MOSSBAG] Okay, so first of all,

974
00:42:28,205 --> 00:42:32,235
this is cut dialogue so it really
should be taken with a grain of salt.

975
00:42:32,361 --> 00:42:34,531
Now I am guilty of doing this a lot myself

976
00:42:34,531 --> 00:42:37,061
and it's a bad habit
that I do need to break.

977
00:42:37,497 --> 00:42:38,117
Second,

978
00:42:38,117 --> 00:42:41,107
just because the Hollow Knight is thinking
about its father,

979
00:42:41,107 --> 00:42:44,091
that doesn't mean it
thinks that the <i>Knight</i> is its father.

980
00:42:44,489 --> 00:42:49,075
Love for its father would probably be the
only thought the Hollow Knight could have,

981
00:42:49,075 --> 00:42:52,985
so it would probably think
that even if the Knight wasn't there.

982
00:42:53,206 --> 00:42:55,321
Look at the jellyfish in the Fog Canyon,

983
00:42:55,321 --> 00:42:57,571
or the flukes in the Royal Waterways.

984
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,770
They think about
Monomon and the Flukemarm respectively,

985
00:43:00,770 --> 00:43:03,070
without being in the same room as them.

986
00:43:03,331 --> 00:43:06,143
The rest of the video
is just recapping the theory,

987
00:43:06,143 --> 00:43:10,083
with one additional section discussing why
the Pale King left Hallownest.

988
00:43:10,083 --> 00:43:10,914
[MATPAT] He studies the Void

989
00:43:10,914 --> 00:43:14,203
so that he's eventually
able to be reborn with its power,

990
00:43:14,203 --> 00:43:15,823
hatching down in the Abyss,

991
00:43:15,823 --> 00:43:18,423
getting cared for in
the safety of the White Palace,

992
00:43:18,423 --> 00:43:21,223
and then being released
out into the lands beyond Dirtmouth,

993
00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:24,413
a place where canonically bugs lose all
of their memories.

994
00:43:24,511 --> 00:43:28,251
This self-exile for a period of years is
probably for two reasons;

995
00:43:28,251 --> 00:43:30,361
One, his own protection from the Radiance;

996
00:43:30,361 --> 00:43:33,921
and two, losing his memory
helps make him purely hollow.

997
00:43:33,921 --> 00:43:34,641
No memory,

998
00:43:34,641 --> 00:43:35,351
no desire,

999
00:43:35,351 --> 00:43:36,611
no past life.

1000
00:43:36,611 --> 00:43:38,141
He's now an empty vessel

1001
00:43:38,141 --> 00:43:39,791
so that should it come down to it

1002
00:43:39,791 --> 00:43:42,971
he can now be the one
to take on the Hollow Knight's place.

1003
00:43:43,184 --> 00:43:45,204
[MOSSBAG] I don't really have any
problems with this section

1004
00:43:45,204 --> 00:43:46,954
that I haven't brought up already,

1005
00:43:46,954 --> 00:43:48,634
other than that it begs the question of

1006
00:43:48,634 --> 00:43:51,364
how exactly the
Void Heart fits into all this.

1007
00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:55,170
Hornet mentions multiple times that the
Knight needs to pursue the deeper truth,

1008
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:57,710
and learn of the
tragedy of its own conception.

1009
00:43:57,850 --> 00:44:00,870
She then commends the Knight
on accepting the Void inside itself.

1010
00:44:01,390 --> 00:44:03,035
There's nothing about coming to terms with

1011
00:44:03,035 --> 00:44:05,295
being the next
reincarnation of the Pale King.

1012
00:44:05,733 --> 00:44:07,503
Why is such an important part of the story

1013
00:44:07,503 --> 00:44:09,872
completely glossed over
for a different theme

1014
00:44:09,872 --> 00:44:13,082
about the Knight coming to
terms with the Void inside itself?

1015
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:15,650
And that's really my biggest problem with
this theory:

1016
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:18,880
it just doesn't congeal with
the lore you see in the game.

1017
00:44:18,983 --> 00:44:19,803
Sure,

1018
00:44:19,803 --> 00:44:22,553
you could argue that the
Elderbug refers to the Knight as a ghost

1019
00:44:22,553 --> 00:44:25,673
because the Knight is literally
the Pale King returning to Hallownest

1020
00:44:25,673 --> 00:44:27,423
after years of self-exile.

1021
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:29,470
You could argue
that the Pale King was planning

1022
00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:32,850
to turn himself into a Void Creature in
an attempt to deny time and live forever.

1023
00:44:33,126 --> 00:44:36,296
And you could probably even find
a way to interpret the birthplace cutscene

1024
00:44:36,296 --> 00:44:38,626
so that it doesn't
debunk the entire theory.

1025
00:44:38,626 --> 00:44:38,876
(lol)

1026
00:44:38,958 --> 00:44:42,002
But do all of these things really feel
like what the game is saying?

1027
00:44:42,002 --> 00:44:46,039
Or do they feel like someone is looking
too hard to justify their own theory

1028
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:47,369
despite what evidence,

1029
00:44:47,369 --> 00:44:48,799
or lack thereof,

1030
00:44:48,799 --> 00:44:50,269
they find in the game.

1031
00:44:50,715 --> 00:44:52,415
Now I'd like to reiterate:

1032
00:44:52,415 --> 00:44:55,345
my intention with
this video isn't to attack MatPat.

1033
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:57,810
Remember that pinned
comment I mentioned earlier?

1034
00:44:57,926 --> 00:44:59,936
Well, since I first wrote this script,

1035
00:44:59,936 --> 00:45:02,606
MatPat has replaced
that comment with another one

1036
00:45:02,606 --> 00:45:05,076
providing a detailed
critique of his arguments

1037
00:45:05,076 --> 00:45:07,026
originally written by Sumwan.

1038
00:45:07,170 --> 00:45:08,880
If you don't know who Sumwan is,

1039
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,610
she's done a lot for this community

1040
00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:14,892
helping update the Wiki to include
detailed and sourced lore sections,

1041
00:45:14,892 --> 00:45:16,884
and she's also helped me with my videos

1042
00:45:16,884 --> 00:45:18,534
by proofreading my scripts,

1043
00:45:18,534 --> 00:45:21,114
so she definitely has a
strong understanding of the lore.

1044
00:45:21,174 --> 00:45:21,424
(Sumwan has big chad energy, ngl.)

1045
00:45:21,543 --> 00:45:24,763
Seeing MatPat display her detailed
rebuttal in a pinned comment

1046
00:45:24,763 --> 00:45:25,933
is really cool,

1047
00:45:25,933 --> 00:45:29,303
and it shows that MatPat is
open to criticism about his theories.

1048
00:45:30,117 --> 00:45:33,427
So yeah, those are just a few of
the thoughts I had on MatPat's video.

1049
00:45:33,838 --> 00:45:35,178
If you're a fan of MatPat,

1050
00:45:35,178 --> 00:45:37,938
and didn't really know the lore of
Hollow Knight going into this video,

1051
00:45:37,938 --> 00:45:41,588
then hopefully you can see why
our community got a little upset.

1052
00:45:41,588 --> 00:45:43,958
This theory really is beyond saving.

1053
00:45:44,439 --> 00:45:46,339
Even the Pope couldn't resurrect it.

1054
00:45:46,379 --> 00:45:46,719
...

1055
00:45:46,759 --> 00:45:48,204
That's what the Pope does,

1056
00:45:48,294 --> 00:45:48,894
right?

1057
00:45:49,296 --> 00:45:50,286
If you're a fan of me,

1058
00:45:50,286 --> 00:45:51,715
or just Hollow Knight in general,

1059
00:45:51,715 --> 00:45:54,745
then hopefully you can see that MatPat
isn't trying to disrespect this game

1060
00:45:54,745 --> 00:45:56,505
or mislead people.

1061
00:45:56,505 --> 00:45:58,684
He's been very receptive to the criticism

1062
00:45:58,684 --> 00:46:01,974
and you can tell this video
clearly has a lot of love put into it.

1063
00:46:02,270 --> 00:46:03,490
I mean, fuck,

1064
00:46:03,490 --> 00:46:06,270
I wish my videos
looked half as good as this.

1065
00:46:06,270 --> 00:46:09,700
I just now figured out how to use overlays
in Sony Vegas.

1066
00:46:09,919 --> 00:46:10,619
Look at this:

1067
00:46:12,819 --> 00:46:14,079
… Pretty cool, huh?

1068
00:46:14,275 --> 00:46:15,655
If you're not a fan of me,

1069
00:46:15,675 --> 00:46:16,635
or Hollow Knight,

1070
00:46:16,655 --> 00:46:17,584
or MatPat…

1071
00:46:17,749 --> 00:46:19,169
Then what the fuck are you doing here?

1072
00:46:19,169 --> 00:46:21,323
Why'd you just watch
this whole fucking video???

1073
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,020
All in all, no harm no foul,

1074
00:46:24,231 --> 00:46:25,971
and I'm sure that the animation

1075
00:46:25,971 --> 00:46:28,821
showing that Hornet
was made of Void was just an accident.

1076
00:46:29,492 --> 00:46:31,872
Otherwise I take everything back.

1077
00:46:32,483 --> 00:46:33,793
So in conclusion,

1078
00:46:33,793 --> 00:46:36,923
I guess this is a really
roundabout way of saying this,

1079
00:46:37,081 --> 00:46:39,190
but I suppose the whole point I'm trying
to make here

1080
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:41,410
is that VaatiVidya and
Indeimaus are a couple of

1081
00:46:41,410 --> 00:46:41,683
bitch

1082
00:46:41,683 --> 00:46:41,983
ass

1083
00:46:41,983 --> 00:46:42,432
mother

1084
00:46:42,432 --> 00:46:43,000
FUCKERS--