1 00:00:00,350 --> 00:00:06,160 Veganism is all about reducing the harm we cause to sentient beings to the best of our ability. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,340 This is why we don’t eat animal products. It’s impossible to take the body 3 00:00:10,340 --> 00:00:16,720 part or secretion of a living being without exploitation and pain. Or is it? 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,440 If meat and other animal products could be made without harming animals, 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,160 would there finally be such a thing as vegan meat? 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,060 Hi it's Emily from Bite Size Vegan and welcome to another vegan nugget. 7 00:00:34,060 --> 00:00:38,140 When it comes to lab grown meat, there are vegans on both sides of the debate. 8 00:00:38,140 --> 00:00:42,600 With the potential for massive reductions in the environmental impact of animal agriculture 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,780 and an end to the suffering and death of trillions of animals every year, 10 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:51,479 why wouldn’t every vegan be championing the cause for test tube meat? 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,249 Well like most topics I set out to cover, cultured meat production is far more complicated 12 00:00:56,249 --> 00:01:00,149 than it may first appear. We’re going to cover some of the pros and cons of cellular 13 00:01:00,149 --> 00:01:04,619 agriculture and why it's a hot button within the vegan community. 14 00:01:04,619 --> 00:01:08,890 As always, I’ll be barely scratching the surface and will provide links to citations, 15 00:01:08,890 --> 00:01:12,750 further resources, and a full bibliography on the blog post for this video 16 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:14,560 linked in the description. 17 00:01:14,570 --> 00:01:18,990 The concept of growing and maintaining muscle outside of the body is not new. 18 00:01:18,990 --> 00:01:25,159 Starting in 1912, biologist Alexis Carrel kept cells from an embryonic chicken heart beating in a nutrient 19 00:01:25,159 --> 00:01:31,450 bath in his laboratory for more than 20 years. In 1931, Winston Churchill wrote in a predictive 20 00:01:31,450 --> 00:01:37,090 essay optimistically entitled Fifty Years Hence that, “We shall escape the absurdity 21 00:01:37,090 --> 00:01:41,560 of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts 22 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,850 separately under a suitable medium.” 23 00:01:43,850 --> 00:01:49,570 Over the decades from NASA-backed fish fillets made of goldfish cells to the 2013 taste test 24 00:01:49,570 --> 00:01:56,159 of the first ever lab-grown burger, the cultured meat, well, culture, continues to grow. 25 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:56,850 [See a brief but thorough timeline in the ‘In-Vitro Meat” section of this essay] 26 00:01:56,850 --> 00:02:01,549 The advantages of this method of meat creation are obvious. Despite the efforts, hopes and 27 00:02:01,549 --> 00:02:06,399 dreams of vegans and activists alike, the global demand for meat is on the rise 28 00:02:06,399 --> 00:02:08,800 with India and China leading the charge. 29 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:14,590 With animal agriculture contributing as much as 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions, 30 00:02:14,590 --> 00:02:19,140 using a third of the earth’s fresh water, up to 45 percent of the Earth’s land, causing 31 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:24,150 91 percent of Amazon rainforest destruction and serving as a leading cause of species 32 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:28,510 extinction, ocean dead zones, and habitat destruction, the environmental implications 33 00:02:28,510 --> 00:02:31,210 alone could be staggering. 34 00:02:31,210 --> 00:02:38,080 A 2011 study concluded that, “cultured meat involves approximately 7–45% lower energy use... 35 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:46,760 78–96% lower GHG emissions, 99% lower land use, and 82–96% lower water use 36 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,130 depending on the product compared.” While these numbers sound promising, the study was 37 00:02:51,130 --> 00:02:56,560 largely criticized for basing its numbers on a not-yet-proven method of cultured meat growth. 38 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,000 While still theoretical, a 2014 study accounting for 39 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,180 other potential production methods found that energy use for cultured meat actually 40 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:09,230 exceeded current levels for beef production, but had significantly lower greenhouse gas 41 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:14,310 emissions and land usage and was only higher than poultry in water usage. 42 00:03:14,310 --> 00:03:19,580 The reality is that the actual environmental impact of cultured meat remains unknown because 43 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:24,850 it’s still in such an experimental phase. The ground meat grown for 2013’s seminal 44 00:03:24,850 --> 00:03:30,480 burger was a relatively simple creation of pure protein. It lacked any of the fat and 45 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,570 blood that give meat its flavor or the firmness of once-active muscle tissue. In order to 46 00:03:35,570 --> 00:03:40,990 create meat products of more substance, the muscle, which is what meat is after all, has 47 00:03:40,990 --> 00:03:46,630 to be exercised and provided with artificial blood flow, oxygen, digestion and nutrition. 48 00:03:46,630 --> 00:03:51,510 Some scientists speculate that this increased energy demand may negate any reduction in 49 00:03:51,510 --> 00:03:53,940 land usage and agricultural input. 50 00:03:53,940 --> 00:03:58,630 Basically, when it comes to the environmental benefits, it’s still too early to know. 51 00:03:58,630 --> 00:04:02,030 So what about the other main benefit: an end to the suffering and death 52 00:04:02,030 --> 00:04:04,550 of trillions of beings every year? 53 00:04:04,550 --> 00:04:11,700 Here is where cultured meat has the potential to shine. Maybe. Eventually. There are several 54 00:04:11,710 --> 00:04:16,070 significant hurdles to overcome before lab-grown meat can be called anything near 55 00:04:16,070 --> 00:04:21,580 "cruelty and animal-free.” The major issues on the ethics end are establishing self-renewing 56 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:26,570 stem cells and finding plant-based materials for the growth medium and scaffolding. 57 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:30,520 To understand what that means, I’ll give a very simplified version of in-vitro meat 58 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,850 production. Initially, cells are taken via biopsy from a living animal and deposited 59 00:04:35,850 --> 00:04:40,260 into a growth medium where they proliferate and grow. Eventually, in order to produce 60 00:04:40,260 --> 00:04:43,260 meat products with more structure than the ground patty, 61 00:04:43,260 --> 00:04:46,200 they will need a form of scaffolding to hold their shape. 62 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,270 The first ethical issues arise when considering the long-term viability of the initial harvested 63 00:04:51,270 --> 00:04:56,430 cells. Professor Mark Post, the man behind the famous taste-tested burger, has said that, 64 00:04:56,430 --> 00:05:00,590 “the most efficient way of taking the process forward would still involve slaughter,” 65 00:05:00,590 --> 00:05:04,950 with a “limited herd of donor animals” kept for stock. Others in the movement envision 66 00:05:04,950 --> 00:05:09,680 the establishment of a self-renewing stem cell line, meaning only an initial biopsy 67 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,970 would be required at which point the cell line would replicate indefinitely. 68 00:05:13,970 --> 00:05:18,920 Yet another concern is that, given humanity’s love of the new, different and exotic, we 69 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,190 may start breeding specialty animals for cell harvesting, which would still require the 70 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:26,910 confinement and reproductive control of sentient beings. 71 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:31,780 As a side-note, Post’s famous burger was made with egg powder to enhance the taste, 72 00:05:31,780 --> 00:05:37,500 introducing another level of animal suffering. This is by no means, however, a necessary practice. 73 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:41,780 The second major ethical issue and one that isn’t widely addressed in most of the news 74 00:05:41,780 --> 00:05:46,440 reports on cultured meat, is the growth medium into which the cells are deposited. 75 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,620 At the moment, the most widely used medium is bovine fetal serum. Fetal serum from an array of 76 00:05:51,620 --> 00:05:56,820 animals is commonly employed in a wide range of experiments, including those for tampons, 77 00:05:56,820 --> 00:05:59,860 which I covered in my “Are Tampons Vegan?” video. 78 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:05,060 The harvesting of bovine fetal serum is far from transparent. One study reached out to 79 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:11,180 388 harvesting entities with only 4% responding with any kind of methodology data. 80 00:06:11,180 --> 00:06:15,740 Five sources explicitly declared their harvesting methods to be confidential. 81 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:21,300 Of those that did respond, the typical procedure for fetal serum harvesting was “by cardiac puncture" 82 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:25,660 meaning a needle directly into the beating heart of the fetal cow. They specify 83 00:06:25,669 --> 00:06:30,080 that, “Fetuses should be at least 3 months old; otherwise the heart is too small for 84 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,590 puncture.” The general process is as follows: 85 00:06:32,590 --> 00:06:37,139 “At the time of slaughter, the cow is found to be pregnant during evisceration (removal 86 00:06:37,139 --> 00:06:41,860 of the internal organs in the thorax and abdomen during processing of the slaughtered cow) 87 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:46,110 … The calf is removed quickly from the uterus [and] a cardiac puncture is performed by inserting 88 00:06:46,110 --> 00:06:51,300 a needle between the ribs directly into the heart of the unanaesthesised fetus and blood 89 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:56,090 is extracted.” This bleeding process can take up to 35 minutes to complete while the 90 00:06:56,090 --> 00:07:01,180 calf remains alive. Afterwards, “the fetus is processed for animal feed and extraction 91 00:07:01,180 --> 00:07:05,180 of specific substances like fats and proteins, among other things.” 92 00:07:05,180 --> 00:07:09,360 The study continued with a detailed debate as to whether the fetal cows can feel this 93 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,770 procedure and their possible slow death from anoxia, meaning lack of oxygen, from placental 94 00:07:14,770 --> 00:07:21,360 separation, and estimated that between 1 and 2 million fetuses are harvested annually for serum. 95 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,419 All in all, fetal serum from any animal is not, by any stretch of the imagination, cruelty-free. 96 00:07:27,419 --> 00:07:31,350 The good news is that the champions of the cultured meat movement seem to be invested 97 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:37,580 in finding plant-based medium alternatives with both algae and mushrooms providing promising options. 98 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:41,460 Fetal serum’s drawbacks don’t stop at the ethical line. There are scientific 99 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:47,199 concerns as batches vary considerably in their composition. It also poses the threat of pathogen 100 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:52,580 introduction, is not environmentally friendly and is cost-prohibitive. Dr. Neil Stephens 101 00:07:52,580 --> 00:07:56,919 of Cardiff University states that: “Everyone in the field acknowledges this as a problem 102 00:07:56,919 --> 00:08:02,759 … It currently undermines a lot of the arguments that people put forward in support of in vitro meat." 103 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:07,640 This leads into two of the additional pros of cultured meat, both revolving around human 104 00:08:07,650 --> 00:08:12,150 health. Though I personally believe that health is the last worry when it comes to producing 105 00:08:12,150 --> 00:08:17,020 a possible alternative to mass animal slaughter, it’s worth noting that the composition of 106 00:08:17,020 --> 00:08:22,320 cultured meat can be altered to provide superior nutritional benefits. The level of fat and 107 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:27,080 type of fat can be selectively controlled. The threat of food contamination and spread 108 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,680 of pathogens would also be greatly reduced, as cultured meat would not involve all the 109 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,959 biohazards of traditional slaughter. So if scientists are able to create a self-replicating 110 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:41,729 cell line, thus eliminating the enslavement and potential slaughter of animals, and find 111 00:08:41,729 --> 00:08:47,670 a suitable plant-based growth-medium and scaffolding, thus eliminating the cruelty of fetal serum 112 00:08:47,670 --> 00:08:53,910 and other animal byproducts, what objections remain against going after this concept in full force? 113 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Two of the largest are cost and what’s best described as “the ick factor.” Surveys 114 00:09:00,889 --> 00:09:05,540 involving every range of dietary practice seem to indicate that the majority of people 115 00:09:05,540 --> 00:09:10,170 are put off by the concept of lab-grown meat. Interestingly enough, those people with the 116 00:09:10,170 --> 00:09:14,930 highest rates of meat consumption appear to be the most sensitive to disgust. 117 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:20,290 Of course cultured meat proponents emphasize that “lab-grown” is a bit of a misnomer. 118 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:24,350 While in the testing stages, the meat is grown in laboratories. However, were it to go to 119 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:28,550 commercial production, it would be made in factories just like all of our packaged food 120 00:09:28,550 --> 00:09:33,600 items, and some could argue, would be more natural than other chemical concoctions the 121 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,800 public readily consumes. [see blog for an illustration of potential production methods]. 122 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:41,160 Also, given what all we inject into our food animals from hormones to antibiotics, to our 123 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:46,300 outright manipulation of their genes, one could ask just how natural “standard” 124 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:48,580 animal products really are. 125 00:09:48,589 --> 00:09:52,619 While cultured meat doesn’t require the use of GMO’s, it’s possible that genetically 126 00:09:52,619 --> 00:09:58,079 modifying cells may allow them to reproduce faster and thus prove more economical. 127 00:09:58,079 --> 00:10:04,859 Speaking of cost, Mark Post’s initial burger in 2013 cost approximately £250,000 128 00:10:04,860 --> 00:10:13,600 (over $350,000) to produce. However, by 2015, Post stated that the cost is now down to £8.00. 129 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:18,699 As with any new technology, the initial cost investments will be steep, but Post and others 130 00:10:18,699 --> 00:10:23,790 in the movement see cultured meat eventually attaining a competitive price to traditional 131 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:27,300 products, though most likely not for at least another decade. 132 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:32,410 The vegan community is most dramatically torn on either side of this issue. Some feel that 133 00:10:32,410 --> 00:10:37,449 any product derived from an animal remains a form of exploitation. Others believe that 134 00:10:37,449 --> 00:10:42,369 with the insurmountable fight against the ongoing animal holocaust and more non-vegans 135 00:10:42,369 --> 00:10:47,589 being born every day, we need to search for practical and viable solutions to replace 136 00:10:47,589 --> 00:10:49,970 humanity’s rising demand for meat. 137 00:10:49,970 --> 00:10:54,749 The vegans on the pro-cultured meat side I’ve come across through my research say their 138 00:10:54,749 --> 00:11:00,319 motivation is putting the animals’ interests above all else. They believe it’s unrealistic 139 00:11:00,319 --> 00:11:06,069 to expect humanity on a global scale to cease or even reduce their consumption of animals. 140 00:11:06,069 --> 00:11:11,309 Thus, providing an alternative that not only looks and tastes like but actually is meat 141 00:11:11,309 --> 00:11:16,309 could be, with the proper harvesting method and growth medium, the most immediate path 142 00:11:16,309 --> 00:11:21,089 to animal liberation currently available. With the concurrent rise of research into 143 00:11:21,089 --> 00:11:27,160 milk and egg-producing yeast and cell-culture-grown leather and other animal byproducts, could 144 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:33,080 it be that the laboratory and not the picket line will be the ultimate genesis of a vegan world? 145 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,960 I’d love to hear your thoughts on this hot debate in the comments below. 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I put out fresh vegan content 153 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:08,950 every Monday, Wednesday, and some Fridays. 154 00:12:08,950 --> 00:12:12,330 Now go live vegan, put the animals first, and I’ll see you soon. 155 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:18,200 I know I didn't have much time, I like tacked it on at the end there, but there are people 156 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:24,300 who have made yeast that produces the milk of a cow. 157 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:29,020 And yeast that produces egg whites without a chicken. 158 00:12:29,660 --> 00:12:32,920 That's molecularly identical. 159 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,120 From yeast. 160 00:12:36,620 --> 00:12:40,940 You've got the milk yeast...and the egg yeast. 161 00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:44,960 Maybe we can make a meat yeast? 162 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:48,600 Probably not.