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Willkommen, Bienvenue-- Welcome.
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I always wanted to say that on a stage.
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(laughter)
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This is going to be inspirational,
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because this is the official[br]Wikibase inspiration panel
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of WikidataCon 2019.
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The point of this panel[br]is to be inspired by all the things
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that people, in various countries,[br]in various fields, do with Wikibase,
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the software behind Wikidata.
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I was really surprised to learn today[br]that someone came to me and said,
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"I learned about Wikibase[br]the first time today."
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So, it is the software that runs Wikidata.
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And if you want[br]to order things in the world
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the way Wikidata orders things[br]in the world,
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but you don't agree with the items[br]that we have in there,
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because you might need[br]a finer level of granularity,
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or maybe you don't want to start[br]with Q1, which is the universe,
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because in your little world,[br]Q1 could be a book, if you are a library,
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or it could be some kind of animal,[br]if you work in biology,
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or it could be a historic person,[br]if you do digital humanities,
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but you still want[br]the same system of ordering,
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then Wikibase is the thing for you.
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Over the last one or two years,[br]we have made contact
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with extraordinary people,[br]who are pioneers, who are trailblazing,
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who are evaluating Wikibase,
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and who are doing[br]extremely great stuff with that.
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This panel is going to be very rushed.
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Every one of the participants[br]of this panel would have deserved
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a one-hour slot to present their thing.
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But our program is packed.
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So, yeah, keep your seat belt fastened[br]for a fast-paced ride
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through the inspirational[br]world of Wikibases.
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And the first one is a project[br]from two organizations,
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which is a little sensation in itself.
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The Bibliothèque nationale de France,[br]the French National Library,
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and Abes, which is an authority[br]for higher education.
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But I think you will talk about that[br]more in your presentation,
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and yeah, we'd like to welcome[br]Anila Angjeli and Benjamin Bober
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on stage for the first[br]ten minutes of inspiration.
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(applause)
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Hi, everybody.
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So, yeah, my name is Benjamin Bober.
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So, I work for Abes,
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which stands for Higher Education Agency,
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Bibliographic Higher Education Agency.
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Basically, we work with all[br]the university libraries in France,
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and manage the union catalog.
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And also their authority files.
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And I'm here with Anila Angjeli,[br]from the BnF,
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French National Library.
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And we're going to talk to you[br]about our joint project,
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which is about creating[br]a new production tool
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for authorities data--
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person, corporate bodies,[br]concepts, and so on.
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And we spent the last months
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asking Wikibase to do this stuff.
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So, I will give you some context[br]really quickly,
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because it's important for us, [br]as libraries--
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There's been this technological[br]shift recently
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with the linked open data movement,
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and we wanted, as a bibliographical agency,
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to follow this new trend.
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And, well, it's been years since we've--
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experimenting with linked open data,
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with RDF, SPARQL and so on.
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But we think that now[br]is the good time to move forward.
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It's also a good time[br]because there's been a-- not a shift,
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there's a fundamental change
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in the way we consider [br]bibliographical data.
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We used to, and we still have data
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stored in records, we call it MARC records
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in the library landscape.
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We used a specific format called MARC.
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But recently, there has been some way
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to think about it[br]from another point of view.
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And to go from a record-based world,[br]to an entity-based world
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when we try to interconnect[br]people, works,
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and other entities.
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So, in this context, we decided[br]to launch this joint initiative.
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But our goal is far beyond libraries.
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We would like to have with us
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other French GLAMS, for instance,
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because we think our project[br]can help them also.
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So basically, our project is called[br]Fichier National d'Entités,
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so National Entity Files.
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And it will be a shared platform[br]for collaboratively create
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and maintain reference[br]data about entities.
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Like I said, persons,[br]corporate bodies, places, concepts,
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and creative works.
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So, we embrace a lot of things.
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And it's a challenge[br]because it's the first time
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BnF and Abes collaborate[br]at such a level.
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Giving you a quick view[br]about where we are--
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where we've come from[br]and where we are now.
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We have been working[br]on this project since 2017.
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We've benchmarked,[br]other similar initiatives,
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and came to the conclusion last year
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that there was a strong interest[br]in Wikibase as the FNE's backbone.
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We were considering it a good solution
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to build upon, but we still[br]had doubts at this time,
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because we have specific needs to fulfill.
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So we decided to launch,[br]to spend this year
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to build a proof of concept with real data
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both from BnF catalog,[br]authority catalog, and our catalogs.
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And well, try to merge this data[br]into a Wikibase,
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and to try to see how they behave
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and how the tool can fulfill our needs.
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And we were helped[br]in this proof of concept
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by Maxime and Vincent[br]from Inventaire.io,
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who helped us have a better idea
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about what Wikibase can bring us.
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And Anila will talk[br]about the first findings.
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So, while this decision to go
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with experiments with the Wikibase
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as the technical infrastructure backbone
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or the basic layer for our FNE
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was because it's not trivial[br]to move from one system to another,
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and because the initiative[br]of using the Wikibase
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as the technical infrastructure[br]for our data--
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it was both--
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means that we move from our classical
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system information
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or library information system[br]to quite another thing.
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And so, we needed to experiment first,
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and just to see whether a set[br]of functionalities that are--
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that we usually need to perform[br]and fulfill in our environment--
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professional environment.
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I'm talking here about creating[br]and maintaining,
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and not publishing,[br]which is a big difference.
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You were at the session,[br]the previous session,
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with just Wikidata Commons,
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contribution strategies for GLAM--
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it was about publication[br]and ways about creation in itself.
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So, we need to go step by step,
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and that's why we conducted[br]this experiment, this proof of concept.
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And, good surprise, no major obstacle[br]to ingest library data
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according to a specific ontology,[br]which is, while we--
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I briefly mentioned that we put their data[br]in two different flavors of MARC,
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then we defined[br]some [inaudible] properties
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in order to be able to experiment[br]with merging the data,
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and there was no major obstacle[br]from the technical point of view.
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Of course, we came up with a confirmation
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that Wikibase does offer built-in features
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that could be used as the basis[br]for the technical infrastructure for FNE.
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But again, the decision is not yet made,
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because the experiment is still--
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let's say, the developments[br]have been completed.
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Now, we're in the phase of writing[br]the final conclusions,
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and the decision is not yet made[br]from the strategic point of view,
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but these are really the first findings[br]we can talk about.
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And Wikibase-- it appears to us
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that a Wikibase might be[br]a good operational solution
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for managing this initiative--[br]that is jointly, collaboratively,
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create these entity, these things,
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to remind you of the opposition,[br]which is things and strings.
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However, we noticed there are gaps.
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Within the specific needs[br]of our specific institutions,
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there are defined communities[br]with their own culture, practices and,
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well, it is certain processes[br]that are inherent to the libraries,
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and the solution offered by Wikibase,[br]for example, the search.
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I mean, from the professional standpoint,
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not only from this end-user standpoint,
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but professional, we need some indexes
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in order to ensure[br]data quality, data curation,
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and it is very important[br]for the professional,
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and Wikibase with its Elasticsearch
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and CirrusSearch doesn't offer.
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But still areas of investigation there.
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The roles-- how are the roles managed?
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The bureaucrat, the patrolling of--
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it's not exactly what happened[br]in our world.
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Although there is a layer[br]that can be used,
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upon which we can build[br]other roles that are more in compliance
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with our way of managing the data.
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Or different constraints,[br]constraints related to data publication,
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or data-- there's an error there[br]we need to correct.
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Data policy-- okay, thank you.
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So, there are things that need to be--
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other layers, bricks,[br]need to be built upon Wikibase.
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And of course, one of the reasons,[br]the major reasons,
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the reason why we are here with you,
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is that we-- we are willing,[br]and we feel the necessity
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to be part of a community[br]sharing the same concerns.
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And we all know, given the program,
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that libraries and GLAMs
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are heavily represented in this event.
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So, I think-- we think that maybe
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in a couple of weeks,
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or next year, we will able[br]to communicate more openly
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on our decision to go forward[br]with this solution.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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(applause)
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So, we will have short[br]presentations first,
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and we will all return on stage
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for questions, if we have[br]the time for that.
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But yeah, we heard something from France.
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There's another project.
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It's not Fichier National d'Ent--
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(jokingly struggles with name)
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But it's Gemeinsame Normdatei,
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the universal authority file
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for the German-speaking world.
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And I'm so happy to have good friends[br]of the Wikimedia movement here.
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Barbara Fischer and Sarah Hartmann.
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Thanks alot for the invitation[br]to talk about our project,
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which is called GND meets Wikibase.
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And it's a joint project[br]of Wikimedia Deutschland,
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and the GND.
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And we'd like to give you[br]a quick overview,
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as Jens said before,[br]there are just 10 minutes.
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Why we go for that approach[br]to evaluate Wikibase,
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if it fulfills the requirements[br]for managing authority data
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on a collaborative level, I would say.
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So, where do we come from,[br]and what's the idea of authority control?
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And GND, which stands for [br]Gemeinsame Normdatei,
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what's the idea of it?
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And yeah, where do we come from,[br]as I said before.
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It's not that different[br]from what Anila and Ben said,
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just a few seconds ago.
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The GND is used[br]for the description of resources,
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such as publications,[br]and objects, for example,
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and in order to enable[br]accurate data retrieval,
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I would say, the GND provides[br]unambiguous and distinct entities
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for that retrieval.
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And so, there are persistent identifiers,[br]as well, as you all know,
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for identification and reference[br]for these entities.
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The authority file is used[br]by mainly libraries,
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we would say,[br]in the German-speaking countries,
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but a few other institutions[br]from the cultural heritage domain,
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are using the authority file already.
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And all in all there are[br]around about 60 million records,
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and in Wikibase, we would say "items,"
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which refer to persons, names of persons,
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corporate bodies, for example,[br]geographic names, and works.
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And the GND is run cooperatively[br]by so-called GND agencies,
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and at the moment, there are[br]around about 1,000 institutions
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who are active users of the GND--[br]that means they establish new records
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and added records or items[br]on a regular basis.
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And the most important thing, I would say,
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is that the GND data[br]is provided free of charge
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under CC0 conditions,
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and that all the APIs[br]and documentation is open as well.
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Yeah, talking about open--
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that's the point,[br]and the crucial one here--
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at the moment, we challenge[br]to open up the GND
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for other GLAM institutions[br]and institutions from the science domain.
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At the moment, it's really focused[br]on the library sector.
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That means that the handy tool[br]of librarians has to evolve
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into a tool that is used[br]and accepted across domains.
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And that means a lot of work[br]on organizational stuff,
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community building, discussions[br]about the current data model,
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and infrastructural and technical issues.
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And, yeah.
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Talking about the infrastructural issues,
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we came up with the idea[br]to become partners in crime
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with Wikibase, I would say,[br]so have slightly the same aims,
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namely make cultural data[br]more accessible and interoperable.
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And therefore we now[br]evaluate the software,
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which was originally conceived[br]for a sole application, Wikidata,
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if it's sufficient for managing[br]authority data.
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Right-- hi from my side as well.
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We're focusing in our evaluation[br][inaudible] we do commonly
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with Wikimedia Deutschland.
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First of all, if Wikibase meets[br]the requirements
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of GLAM institutions, galleries,[br]libraries, archives, and museums,
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to drive collaboratively[br]an authority file,
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which is like our basic question.
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We also would like to see[br]Wikibase to increase usability
0:18:25.981,0:18:29.312
as the software system[br]we're using right now
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is, let's say, quite a complex software
0:18:32.885,0:18:37.361
that is not as handy[br]as you might like it to be.
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Well, and then, we would like to know
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if Wikibase would also ease[br]both data linking
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and growing a diverse community.
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As Sarah said before, we are right now[br]in a process of opening up
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towards a broader scope[br]of GLAM institutions,
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and science institutions.
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And of course, they are working[br]within their own software structures,
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and we would like to know[br]if Wikibase would ease
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the cooperation-- collaboration with us.
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So, why do we do that?
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This is because we consider that Wikibase
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might be the attractive community zone,
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which means--I had to write that down--
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first of all, as it is open source,[br]it will be more accessible
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than any proprietary source[br]software system that is used
0:19:35.285,0:19:39.421
in the cataloging fields[br]of the GLAM institutions.
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Then, we feel that the Wikibase community
0:19:43.114,0:19:46.354
already by now[br]is a very dedicated community,
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and we would like to participate[br]in that dedicated community,
0:19:50.446,0:19:53.447
because we believe that sharing is caring.
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What we want to share[br]is our knowledge is your knowledge,
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and together, in order to omit redundance,
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not by editing the same information[br]over and over again,
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but reuse data, link it,
0:20:09.373,0:20:11.559
quoting it, and enriching it.
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And I placed here on the picture[br]one of the tools
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that is broadly spread within Wikidata,[br]this Histropedia,
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because we also feel that if we are able[br]to introduce our data into Wikibase,
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we might be able to share tools,[br]improving the code,
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and thus being an active,[br]contributing part of the community.
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Thank you.
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I'd like to debate that with you later on.
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Thank you so much.
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(applause)
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Thank you so much.
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So, at some point,[br]we ask ourselves, did we--
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by accident, write a library software?
0:20:59.913,0:21:05.216
Because the adoption of Wikibase[br]in the library fields is so overwhelming.
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But there's more to it.
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And of course, we didn't[br]accidentally write a library system.
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It can be used for other fields as well.
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For instance, for biology.
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And David Fichtmueller will tell us[br]about using Wikibase
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as a platform for biodiversity.
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- I think that was grayed.[br]- Yeah.
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Full screen? Oh, okay.
0:21:37.603,0:21:39.758
Yes. Hello, everybody.
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I'm David, and I work[br]at the Botanic Garden,
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Botanical Museum here in Berlin.
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And I work there as a computer scientist.
0:21:48.065,0:21:51.194
We have an entire department[br]called Biodiversity Informatics.
0:21:51.884,0:21:53.633
Generally speaking, we write the software
0:21:53.633,0:21:55.858
that biologists use in their daily work.
0:21:56.430,0:21:58.932
And on my private side,
0:21:58.932,0:22:02.639
I've been a Wikipedia contributor[br]for almost 15 years now,
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and Wikidata contributor[br]for almost five years now.
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And also, as part of my job,
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I'm a co-administrator of a MediaWiki farm
0:22:12.068,0:22:16.684
with more than 80 wikis[br]regarding the biology community.
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And a couple of years ago,[br]I was assigned to a project
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that was, yeah, about working[br]on a standard.
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In particular, it's a standard[br]called ABCD,
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that we needed to do some work on.
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And I assume most of you[br]haven't heard about ABCD,
0:22:37.295,0:22:39.728
that's not really a bad thing.
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It's really specific.
0:22:41.279,0:22:44.128
It stands for Access to Biological[br]Collection Data.
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And it's an XML schema.
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So, it can express[br]biological information,
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particular things like information[br]about herbarium sheets,
0:22:54.190,0:22:59.920
about collections, like fish in [br]alcohol jars, or--
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but also observations--
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scientists being out in the field,[br]seeing certain plants,
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seeing certain animals.
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A lot of variety in here,[br]and because of this,
0:23:08.970,0:23:10.426
it's quite a huge standard.
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So, we have 1,800[br]different concepts in there.
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That's counting the different XPaths[br]there are within the file.
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And so the challenge was to convert this
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into a new modern semantic standard.
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We wanted to use an OWL ontology
0:23:27.271,0:23:31.200
that is able to express[br]the same kind of information
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that has previously been expressed[br]with the XML files,
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and also keep all the existing[br]documentation,
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and restrictions,[br]and all of the connections
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between the items
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and have a collaborative platform
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where other scientists can come in[br]and give us advice
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on their specific fields of focus.
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Did we model this correctly?
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Is there anything missing?
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So, yeah, with all of this in mind,[br]we went looking around,
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and found a solution, and I guess[br]it wouldn't surprise anybody here,
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it's Wikibase, otherwise[br]I wouldn't have been talking here.
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So, we decided on using Wikibase.
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And we started to install it[br]without the Docker Image.
0:24:15.165,0:24:17.171
Big mistake. Don't do this.
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(laughter)
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In our defense, we started this[br]two and a half years ago.
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And it was two years ago[br]at the WikidataCon
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that the Docker Image was first released.
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So, we had to figure out our own way.
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And once we had things up and running,
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we didn't really want to break[br]changing things.
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We do have the Docker installed[br]for the Query Service,
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and we have a weird, hybrid[br]of custom installation
0:24:43.322,0:24:46.004
and Docker installation[br]and modified scripts
0:24:46.004,0:24:48.542
connecting those two instances.
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We then installed[br]QuickStatements, again, manually,
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because by that time, it wasn't part[br]of the Query Service,
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did some slight modifications,[br]and adjustments to get it to work.
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I know it's now part [br]of the Docker Image.
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But yeah, we had it running,[br]so, we didn't bother changing it.
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Keep this in mind for later on.
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But before I go into what we did,
0:25:15.867,0:25:18.465
I'm going to avoid[br]a possible confusion here,
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because we're talking[br]about data standards,
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and when we express things[br]in a semantic way,
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we will convert the concepts[br]from the XML into Classes and Properties.
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So, this being Object Properties[br]connecting the different classes,
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and Datatype Properties[br]that actually contain the content,
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that is to store text, numbers,[br]things like that.
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And we express all of this[br]within Wikibase,
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but all of those are items in Wikibase.
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And they are then described[br]using Wikibase Properties.
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So, we have ABCD properties[br]being items being described
0:25:54.950,0:25:56.657
as Wikibase Properties.
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I try to make sure to use[br]the prefixes accordingly,
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so you know what I'm talking about[br]when I talk about properties
0:26:03.581,0:26:04.820
in this talk.
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So, let's look at the properties,
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in particular, with Wikibase Properties.
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We sat down and thought,[br]"Okay, what do we need
0:26:13.013,0:26:16.296
to describe the concepts[br]we want to model?"
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And we ended up using around 25 properties
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in addition to, of course, label,[br]description, alias.
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I'm not going to mention all of them,
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just so you see the variety.
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Those fulfill our requirements.
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And yeah, some things[br]express some restrictions,
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and others--
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Most of them are optional.
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Only very few are mandatory.
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So then, we set on importing[br]all of this information.
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We wrote a Schema Parser that extracts [br]all of the different concepts.
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So everything that has an XPath[br]within the XML Schema,
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and all of the documentation[br]that is part of the XML schema,
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and so we got this into a nice CSV file,
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and then we could work on this[br]and import it using QuickStatements.
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Worked quite well.
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But then, we had, as I said,[br]1,800-plus concepts
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in our Wikibase instance.
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But then, when we had things like person--
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person name, and contact email--
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those appear a couple of times[br]within the schema--
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for the data set owner, for the person[br]who took an image, things like that.
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So, of course, we needed to reduce those,
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and combine those to reusable classes.
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So, there was a lot of manual editing
0:27:34.858,0:27:36.319
to reduce the number of concepts,
0:27:36.319,0:27:39.558
and in the end, we ended up[br]with a little more than 500.
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So, we have Classes, Object Properties,[br]Datatype Properties,
0:27:43.540,0:27:45.362
a couple of other ones I'm skipping
0:27:45.362,0:27:47.392
to avoid additional complexity here.
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And for certain large-scale edits,[br]we also used QuickStatements again.
0:27:54.686,0:27:57.312
So now, we did all of the editing,
0:27:57.312,0:27:59.476
now we wanted to make sure[br]that the data we have
0:27:59.476,0:28:00.775
is actually consistent.
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So, that's where we used what we call[br]Maintenance Queries,
0:28:06.252,0:28:09.570
used the query interface[br]with some SPARQL queries,
0:28:09.570,0:28:12.114
basically to check for missing properties,
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wrong links between concepts,
0:28:16.338,0:28:18.761
basically, things that didn't match
0:28:18.761,0:28:21.112
with our concept, with our structure.
0:28:21.840,0:28:24.356
And in the end, we also had to do
0:28:24.356,0:28:26.007
a manual review of all of the concepts
0:28:26.007,0:28:27.875
just to make sure we didn't miss anything.
0:28:27.875,0:28:29.986
This was kind of a lot of work,
0:28:29.986,0:28:33.882
because if you only take[br]like five minutes per item,
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multiply it by 550,
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it's over one week of full[br]and concentrated work.
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But of course, we don't need five minutes,
0:28:42.732,0:28:45.977
because you sometimes spend[br]like half an hour to fix a certain item
0:28:45.977,0:28:48.294
when there's problems with the modeling.
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So, we now had all of the data.
0:28:50.895,0:28:53.058
Now, it was time to get the data[br]out of Wikibase.
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We wrote an export script in Python[br]that uses the Query Service
0:28:58.236,0:29:01.088
to get the information about the concepts,
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and fill them in templates--[br]prepared templates.
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So, in the end, we get[br]a nice valid OWL file
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that contains everything we need.
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And this is the actual basis[br]of the standard.
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For future versions,[br]when we're going to make revisions,
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the Wikibase is our working platform.
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And once we do an export,[br]this is the new version of the standard.
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Keeping those separate,[br]this would also allow us
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to move the server[br]to a different instance,
0:29:29.116,0:29:32.796
or as I said, change the installation.
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We export JSON[br]for the documentation of the website.
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And we also export the data[br]to a second Wikibase instance.
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This is like really[br]experimental, right now.
0:29:43.196,0:29:46.682
We haven't really used this[br]in production where it can--
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where the concepts can then be used[br]to describe actual data.
0:29:49.483,0:29:51.422
So we're breaking down those--
0:29:52.189,0:29:56.402
we're taking them a step down[br]from properties being Wikibase items,
0:29:56.407,0:29:59.318
and converting them into actual[br]Wikibase properties.
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This is quite a lot of requests--[br]quite a lot of steps
0:30:02.522,0:30:05.203
to keep all of the data[br]and all of the linking consistent,
0:30:05.203,0:30:06.669
but it works.
0:30:06.669,0:30:08.865
And in the end, well,[br]it was quite successful.
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There is a huge community--
0:30:11.949,0:30:14.909
there is a community about[br]Biodiversity Information Standards,
0:30:14.909,0:30:18.449
who also had their annual meeting[br]just in the past days.
0:30:18.729,0:30:21.589
So, there's a huge interest[br]in reusing this approach
0:30:21.604,0:30:23.385
for other standards, as well.
0:30:23.524,0:30:25.183
And so, in the future,
0:30:25.183,0:30:28.257
we want to try a bit[br]about Shape Expressions--
0:30:28.257,0:30:31.110
as I said, we have some restrictions[br]in there to export them--
0:30:31.754,0:30:35.160
and build some better workflows[br]for the versioning.
0:30:35.160,0:30:36.873
We haven't done this yet.
0:30:36.919,0:30:38.908
And switch up the Docker instance.
0:30:39.398,0:30:41.676
So, at the end, I'm gong to have[br]a small wish list--
0:30:41.676,0:30:43.335
what things could be improved.
0:30:43.335,0:30:47.096
Well, there are a lot more tools[br]out there that are really written
0:30:47.096,0:30:50.320
for Wikidata, but could be more agnostic,
0:30:51.839,0:30:53.218
in particular, QuickStatements.
0:30:53.218,0:30:56.658
As I said, I did[br]some adjustments manually.
0:30:56.707,0:30:59.899
Many of the issues I had[br]are probably solved by now,
0:30:59.899,0:31:01.679
but I don't think all of them.
0:31:01.840,0:31:06.581
Then we want to import existing templates,
0:31:06.581,0:31:09.288
or the SPARQL template,[br]the Q and the P template.
0:31:09.288,0:31:12.203
They are really useful[br]when working with Wikibase.
0:31:12.203,0:31:14.599
So, this would be done automatically.
0:31:14.599,0:31:17.111
And as I said, we did a lot[br]of manual editing.
0:31:17.111,0:31:20.769
So, it would be useful,[br]just ideal to have a tool where you can--
0:31:20.769,0:31:22.393
Like in an Excel table--
0:31:22.393,0:31:25.551
you load a couple of items,[br]and you load a couple of properties,
0:31:25.551,0:31:27.619
and then just jump from cell to cell,
0:31:27.619,0:31:31.662
really quickly edit a lot of things
0:31:31.662,0:31:33.423
in a semi-automated way.
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Thanks. That's the end.
0:31:37.093,0:31:38.481
Thank you so much.
0:31:38.481,0:31:40.795
(applause)
0:31:40.795,0:31:42.659
So much to talk about on this.
0:31:43.273,0:31:48.254
So, there is not only--[br]well, how do I get back from here.
0:31:50.917,0:31:54.004
It's not only about science.[br]It's not only about libraries.
0:31:54.004,0:31:57.181
You can also create[br]art and beauty with Wikibase.
0:31:57.181,0:32:01.611
And who would be better to tell us[br]about this than Stuart Prior.
0:32:12.056,0:32:15.268
Now, slightly embarrassingly,[br]we talk about art and beauty,
0:32:15.268,0:32:17.296
but this is a really ugly presentation.
0:32:17.296,0:32:18.554
(laughter)
0:32:19.604,0:32:22.552
Starting off with a room[br]full of Wikimedians,
0:32:22.552,0:32:24.261
trains--people like trains.
0:32:24.956,0:32:26.465
But it has a purpose.
0:32:26.465,0:32:30.538
So, this is Hackney Downs Station[br]in Northeast London.
0:32:31.429,0:32:34.104
And this is about[br]Banner Repeater and Wikibase,
0:32:34.104,0:32:35.968
which I'll explain further.
0:32:36.014,0:32:37.829
So, this is a terrible photo.
0:32:37.829,0:32:43.405
But it is actually where[br]an artists' publishing archive is held,
0:32:43.512,0:32:46.140
which is on the platform[br]of a train station.
0:32:46.950,0:32:50.688
Within there, they've got[br]several hundred copies
0:32:50.688,0:32:52.886
of various types of artists' publishing.
0:32:52.886,0:32:54.389
They get a lot of public footfall.
0:32:54.389,0:32:57.132
It does a lot of outreach[br]to actual general public.
0:32:57.132,0:32:58.386
Like you get on the train,
0:32:58.386,0:33:01.758
you'll find bits of [br]sort of obscure art on the train.
0:33:02.856,0:33:04.888
So, it's a really interesting project,
0:33:04.934,0:33:06.924
but part of a much wider community.
0:33:07.452,0:33:10.374
So, what is Artists' Publishing?[br]What are Artists' Books?
0:33:10.430,0:33:12.087
Like, I didn't know either.
0:33:13.545,0:33:15.329
So, the definition,[br]according to Wikipedia,
0:33:15.329,0:33:19.377
is "Artists' books are works of art[br]that utilize the form of the book."
0:33:19.377,0:33:20.956
Well, you can read it.
0:33:21.569,0:33:24.130
But it's individual pieces of art,
0:33:24.130,0:33:28.257
or sometimes collections of art,[br]using publishing as a medium.
0:33:28.583,0:33:31.141
This varies quite a lot.[br]It's very interesting.
0:33:31.141,0:33:32.560
It was kind of--
0:33:32.570,0:33:35.043
There was a lot of it[br]in the early '20s and '30s,
0:33:35.043,0:33:37.793
and it had a bit of a renaissance,[br]'60s and 70's,
0:33:37.793,0:33:39.411
and continues to expand.
0:33:39.491,0:33:42.237
Has a large global community,[br]multilingual,
0:33:43.089,0:33:47.748
somewhat separate from large[br]institutional art institutions.
0:33:47.805,0:33:50.448
So, you'll find collections,
0:33:50.448,0:33:53.616
such as the V&A[br]has a collection, obviously.
0:33:54.680,0:33:58.483
So, they've got various kind[br]of items such as these.
0:33:59.294,0:34:02.045
This is just an article,[br]so it's just not the best display.
0:34:03.098,0:34:08.009
But it's a really kind of interesting,[br]yet slightly niche field of work.
0:34:08.661,0:34:11.674
But it's not very good on Wikidata.
0:34:14.023,0:34:18.245
This is, again, a really terrible photo--[br]it's not my photo--
0:34:18.245,0:34:21.488
of some the stuff held[br]in Banner Repeater's archive.
0:34:21.488,0:34:24.086
If you see in the middle,[br]the pink one, Blast,
0:34:24.086,0:34:27.802
that's actually a fairly notable[br]piece of artists' publishing
0:34:27.802,0:34:29.548
from the '20s.
0:34:31.168,0:34:32.838
What does it look like on Wikidata?
0:34:32.838,0:34:34.341
It's not good on Wikidata.
0:34:34.869,0:34:37.782
It's often just confused with books
0:34:37.782,0:34:39.803
or other forms of publishing.
0:34:40.292,0:34:42.724
The average kind of Wikidata item for
0:34:42.728,0:34:46.374
a notable piece of artists' publishing
0:34:47.145,0:34:50.512
doesn't really have much to say about it.
0:34:50.568,0:34:53.738
You know, it's just--[br]there you go, that's it.
0:34:54.832,0:34:57.429
There's not a huge amount[br]of identifier numbers as well.
0:34:57.781,0:35:00.782
So, there's clearly a lot missing
0:35:00.782,0:35:03.710
when it comes to artists' publishing,
0:35:03.710,0:35:06.840
certainly compared[br]to more traditional forms of art--
0:35:06.840,0:35:09.073
paintings and sculpture and so forth.
0:35:09.722,0:35:12.681
And there's a huge desire[br]within the community
0:35:12.681,0:35:15.631
to start codifying this,[br]and making it a real thing.
0:35:16.566,0:35:19.283
So, I'll give you an example[br]of what is actually available.
0:35:19.283,0:35:22.202
You can point out what's wrong[br]with this query.
0:35:23.542,0:35:28.173
So, this is basically all there is.
0:35:28.702,0:35:31.507
That's every artists' book on Wikidata.
0:35:31.552,0:35:33.049
So, there's really not a lot.
0:35:33.049,0:35:36.322
Some of them don't even[br]have labels for a start.
0:35:36.322,0:35:38.632
And it's something[br]that really needs expanding.
0:35:38.632,0:35:41.099
And something that has capacity[br]to be expanded.
0:35:41.148,0:35:43.416
Has anyone seen what's wrong[br]with this query yet?
0:35:45.164,0:35:47.317
The labels-- the labels say "sausage",
0:35:48.172,0:35:50.814
because I just stole[br]someone else's query,
0:35:50.814,0:35:52.212
and changed the key number.
0:35:52.212,0:35:53.342
(laughter)
0:35:53.342,0:35:55.264
It's actually a query about sausages.
0:35:55.877,0:35:57.541
Anyway, moving on.
0:35:57.827,0:36:00.475
But yeah, you see it doesn't really have[br]much of a presence.
0:36:01.122,0:36:04.163
We were approached by Banner Repeater.
0:36:05.378,0:36:07.281
So, I work with Wikimedia UK.
0:36:07.281,0:36:10.275
We were approached by Banner Repeater[br]to help them with this--
0:36:10.719,0:36:12.416
with setting up a Wikibase--
0:36:13.182,0:36:15.812
in terms of funding,[br]in getting extra funding,
0:36:15.812,0:36:18.293
but also in terms of bringing in[br]a wider community,
0:36:18.293,0:36:20.152
and being part of the process.
0:36:20.561,0:36:23.886
So, the process is basically[br]to gather this community
0:36:23.886,0:36:27.364
of artists, archivists,[br]and linked data experts,
0:36:28.554,0:36:31.607
and work out what the schema,[br]the data model,
0:36:31.607,0:36:33.872
for artists' publishing should be.
0:36:33.929,0:36:35.588
It's a very specialized field.
0:36:35.953,0:36:38.147
Doesn't really map[br]onto Wikidata perfectly.
0:36:38.392,0:36:40.793
It's probably too granular for it.
0:36:41.684,0:36:44.485
And the other thing[br]is the kind of flexibility of it.
0:36:44.577,0:36:46.639
Maybe it doesn't really fit in Wikidata.
0:36:46.639,0:36:50.090
Maybe it's too rigid at the moment.
0:36:50.090,0:36:52.796
The Wikibase is being built,
0:36:52.796,0:36:55.639
so I haven't got much to show you,[br]because it's not been built yet,
0:36:55.639,0:36:57.149
but this more about the process.
0:36:57.343,0:37:00.591
And the process is extensive[br]community consultation,
0:37:00.678,0:37:02.136
a few kind of layers of it.
0:37:02.136,0:37:04.563
So, we're not just going[br]to do this in one session.
0:37:04.563,0:37:06.146
It's not a few individuals deciding.
0:37:06.146,0:37:08.296
It's kind of ongoing,[br]and ongoing, and ongoing.
0:37:09.352,0:37:13.244
The impact of this[br]could be fairly substantial,
0:37:13.244,0:37:15.145
because no one else is doing this work.
0:37:15.145,0:37:18.593
A lot of the larger institutions[br]have artists' publishing
0:37:18.593,0:37:20.270
sitting in their kind of back room.
0:37:20.270,0:37:22.163
They don't really know[br]how to categorize it.
0:37:22.163,0:37:23.744
They haven't categorized it very well.
0:37:23.793,0:37:25.899
They're not very interested in it.
0:37:25.899,0:37:29.104
But there is a huge community[br]that is interested in doing this.
0:37:30.527,0:37:34.012
So, this is basically[br]the process at the moment.
0:37:34.502,0:37:36.936
So, the initial workshop has happened.
0:37:36.936,0:37:40.228
So, it was an expert workshop[br]with some people
0:37:40.228,0:37:43.644
deep in the field of artists' publishing--
0:37:43.644,0:37:45.959
archivists, people[br]who own collections, and so forth--
0:37:46.002,0:37:48.962
to establish a kind of[br]basic set of priors,
0:37:49.407,0:37:52.080
to look at what things were existing.
0:37:52.080,0:37:54.677
The existing status was on Wikidata,
0:37:54.677,0:37:57.134
and look at how that[br]could be expanded or improved.
0:37:57.665,0:38:00.503
And then they documented that,
0:38:00.503,0:38:03.605
and established this basic structure.
0:38:04.135,0:38:05.759
And now, we move into the next process
0:38:05.759,0:38:07.630
where it's bringing in[br]a much wider community.
0:38:07.721,0:38:11.087
So that's-- it's not just data people,[br]it's creators, as well.
0:38:11.656,0:38:13.237
There'll be a lot of narrative in this,
0:38:13.237,0:38:15.140
and a lot of qualitative things.
0:38:15.140,0:38:18.093
Again, stuff that just[br]doesn't really belong on Wikidata.
0:38:18.933,0:38:20.966
But also working with archivists,
0:38:20.966,0:38:24.045
and working with linked[br]data experts, and so forth,
0:38:24.045,0:38:26.322
to hopefully bring this all together,
0:38:26.322,0:38:29.979
to create a resource that will have[br]a nice accessible front end,
0:38:29.979,0:38:33.241
and also build this community--[br]people who can contribute to it,
0:38:33.241,0:38:35.631
and kind of own this data set.
0:38:36.318,0:38:38.505
I'll show you what we've got ready.
0:38:40.687,0:38:44.205
This is subject to change.
0:38:44.815,0:38:47.494
But this is basically kind of[br]where we've got so far
0:38:47.494,0:38:48.612
with the expert ones.
0:38:48.612,0:38:51.968
So, you see different P numbers[br]being developed,
0:38:51.968,0:38:54.891
and look at what[br]their equivalent on Wikidata is.
0:38:55.428,0:38:58.472
And obviously, it's a lot more granular
0:38:58.472,0:39:01.394
than probably the information[br]on Wikidata is at the moment, so--
0:39:02.900,0:39:06.599
There's a lot of detailed stuff,[br]so there's qualities
0:39:06.599,0:39:09.063
such as height, width,[br]thickness, and so forth,
0:39:09.763,0:39:12.135
which aren't necessarily that present
0:39:12.135,0:39:14.981
on other groups[br]of artists' publishing on Wikidata.
0:39:15.453,0:39:19.946
But there's also other things like [br]"commissioned by", and "contributors to",
0:39:19.946,0:39:22.573
and a lot of these works[br]will have multiple contributors.
0:39:23.262,0:39:25.526
And multiple editions[br]and things like that.
0:39:25.526,0:39:27.432
There's really a lot[br]of granular information
0:39:27.432,0:39:29.049
that can come about these things.
0:39:29.049,0:39:30.844
And a lot of narrative as well, you know,
0:39:31.571,0:39:32.953
as things have changed over time,
0:39:32.953,0:39:34.741
as people have reinterpreted things.
0:39:35.566,0:39:38.288
And this was what was created.
0:39:39.605,0:39:42.633
Again, most of it has[br]Wikidata equivalents,
0:39:42.633,0:39:44.063
but some of it doesn't yet.
0:39:44.063,0:39:46.748
So, what do we have here.
0:39:48.203,0:39:50.395
Other editions, and things like that.
0:39:50.395,0:39:51.813
So, it's fairly specialized.
0:39:51.813,0:39:52.929
This is the first stage.
0:39:52.929,0:39:54.643
And this will go through another process,
0:39:54.643,0:39:57.237
as people take things away from it[br]or contribute, too.
0:39:58.180,0:40:00.727
The flexibility is really[br]important in this.
0:40:01.577,0:40:04.785
It's kind of getting away[br]from older kind of standards,
0:40:04.785,0:40:07.101
and moving to something[br]which is a bit more up-to-date,
0:40:07.101,0:40:09.423
and something where the community[br]can really change things,
0:40:09.423,0:40:11.869
and not be dictated to--[br]and I'll start speaking quicker.
0:40:13.778,0:40:18.258
So, power dynamics, at the moment,[br]and why Wikibase.
0:40:18.258,0:40:20.432
So at the moment, this is the art world.
0:40:20.432,0:40:21.950
This is what the art world looks like.
0:40:21.950,0:40:23.269
It's a big orange thing.
0:40:23.570,0:40:25.360
But you've got these large institutions,
0:40:25.360,0:40:27.993
and then you've got sort of[br]groups of artists' publishing.
0:40:28.117,0:40:31.575
That could be Delhi, Mexico City,[br]London, and so forth.
0:40:32.197,0:40:36.219
And what we don't want[br]is this kind of thing
0:40:36.219,0:40:38.881
where large institutions and experts[br]get to dictate
0:40:38.881,0:40:41.672
the kind of ontology,[br]and how these things are going to work.
0:40:43.115,0:40:47.389
So, working to establish a Wikibase[br]among an artist community
0:40:47.874,0:40:51.523
can help them work out[br]what they're going to do,
0:40:51.523,0:40:54.582
and then they start pushing back[br]into the larger institutions,
0:40:54.995,0:40:57.140
with a more kind of flexible data model,
0:40:57.140,0:40:59.344
with something that's more up-to-date
0:40:59.344,0:41:01.814
and coming from grassroots organizations,
0:41:01.814,0:41:05.115
as opposed as coming[br]from institutions, so to speak.
0:41:05.564,0:41:08.325
So, I think there's huge value[br]in this approach
0:41:08.398,0:41:12.058
in terms of creating[br]a sort of parallel infrastructure
0:41:12.058,0:41:16.284
for communities of people[br]who own content, and so forth,
0:41:16.284,0:41:19.360
much like Wikimedia is,
0:41:19.846,0:41:21.996
and kind of pushing out to institutions,
0:41:21.996,0:41:24.223
rather than doing it the other way around.
0:41:24.662,0:41:26.847
Do I have another slide?[br]What next?
0:41:26.847,0:41:29.368
I always put this slide in,[br]because it's always the worst slide,
0:41:29.368,0:41:30.484
and it's such a stereotype.
0:41:31.347,0:41:35.068
What next? We're moving on[br]to the community consultation stage,
0:41:35.068,0:41:38.953
so we'll get a bit more kind of[br]expansive and interesting.
0:41:39.288,0:41:43.724
This obviously, this database[br]will be talking to Wikidata,
0:41:43.724,0:41:46.632
but on what term,[br]we're not 100% sure.
0:41:46.632,0:41:48.614
But it could be that this becomes very--
0:41:48.614,0:41:51.086
just a very specific instance[br]for artists' publishing
0:41:51.086,0:41:53.922
that Wikidata can draw from,[br]and vice versa.
0:41:54.501,0:41:56.918
And I'll just finish off[br]with that picture again,
0:41:56.918,0:41:58.419
because I just quite like it.
0:41:58.587,0:42:00.936
And that's all I have to say.[br]Thank you.
0:42:00.936,0:42:04.881
- Thank you so much.[br]- (applause)
0:42:05.810,0:42:08.853
We're almost at the end[br]of our fast-paced ride,
0:42:08.853,0:42:12.710
and we'll-- what to say?[br]we saved the best for last?
0:42:12.710,0:42:16.433
No, but we give the last presentation
0:42:16.433,0:42:20.118
to someone who's a true pioneer[br]of using Wikibase
0:42:20.118,0:42:23.439
in the field of digital humanities.
0:42:23.439,0:42:25.510
And, yeah-- Olaf Simons.
0:42:25.510,0:42:28.499
You have not prepared any slides,[br]but you will do some live action.
0:42:28.600,0:42:29.978
Exactly.
0:42:30.793,0:42:34.165
And I have been on Wikipedia[br]since 2004, actually.
0:42:34.230,0:42:35.570
I have the 15 years.
0:42:37.772,0:42:39.555
What am I going to show?
0:42:41.665,0:42:43.564
I've been congratulated for this.
0:42:43.564,0:42:47.635
I'm going to show you[br]the Wikibase instance we created.
0:42:47.635,0:42:49.056
It's not a Docker Image.
0:42:49.056,0:42:52.093
And I could agree, it's not the best[br]to have a Docker--
0:42:52.093,0:42:56.707
it's not the best to have[br]an independent installation.
0:42:56.707,0:42:57.808
It's difficult,
0:42:57.808,0:42:59.646
and it has been extremely[br]difficult for us,
0:42:59.646,0:43:03.638
and we're grateful[br]for the Wikimedia Germany
0:43:04.828,0:43:08.741
to help us get it done[br]on a mutual agreement we had.
0:43:09.413,0:43:15.696
So, basically, we have here[br]several projects on this.
0:43:16.060,0:43:18.243
It's more project-oriented than Wikidata.
0:43:18.847,0:43:21.453
And my thing should be in here.
0:43:21.506,0:43:27.025
I open that and go--[br]just should have done that before.
0:43:27.336,0:43:28.595
Here we are.
0:43:29.723,0:43:33.542
The history of the Illuminati--[br]I start with this one.
0:43:33.868,0:43:36.216
This has been a little film
0:43:36.216,0:43:40.272
which has been created[br]by Paul-Olivier Dehaye,
0:43:41.602,0:43:43.755
whom I only know from Twitter,
0:43:43.755,0:43:45.709
as he asked us what kind of experience
0:43:45.709,0:43:49.933
did we make when we got our Wikibase,
0:43:49.933,0:43:52.242
and he was experimenting with his own.
0:43:52.242,0:43:55.606
And I talked to him[br]about things we could do,
0:43:55.606,0:43:57.271
and things we could not do.
0:43:57.271,0:44:00.432
This was a film I would love[br]to be able to do.
0:44:00.432,0:44:02.339
And he said, "It's easy for me.
0:44:02.339,0:44:04.724
I can run a SPARQL search,[br]get the information,
0:44:04.724,0:44:08.147
and put it into a program,[br]in which you can then see this thing."
0:44:08.835,0:44:12.328
It's actually 20 years of research[br]on the Illuminati,
0:44:12.328,0:44:15.897
and gives you a short history[br]of the entire organization
0:44:15.897,0:44:17.921
and all its correspondences.
0:44:17.921,0:44:20.147
That's not a Wikimedia tool.
0:44:20.147,0:44:23.024
It's not a tool of Wikibase.
0:44:23.024,0:44:25.010
But it's something you can do.
0:44:25.010,0:44:29.545
And actually, I like it[br]that it is not a tool already.
0:44:29.545,0:44:31.006
It should become a tool.
0:44:31.006,0:44:33.932
I like it because it shows[br]our data is really free.
0:44:33.932,0:44:37.343
Someone can download our data,[br]someone can do something with it,
0:44:37.343,0:44:42.308
which we haven't expected,[br]and it can be done within two hours,
0:44:42.308,0:44:44.482
if you're bright--[br]and he is bright, of course.
0:44:45.255,0:44:46.735
So, he created this for us.
0:44:46.827,0:44:48.929
I go back to my presentation.
0:44:50.141,0:44:52.825
Why on Wikibase?
0:44:52.825,0:44:56.203
This was the immediate question[br]when we approached Wikimedia.
0:44:56.203,0:44:58.910
I knew of Wikidata since 2010,
0:44:59.480,0:45:04.643
and in 2017, it was ready[br]to be used by us.
0:45:05.560,0:45:10.942
And there was actually an interest[br]from Wikimedia people to say,
0:45:10.942,0:45:13.215
"Do it, and we support you."
0:45:13.705,0:45:15.493
Why our own base?
0:45:15.777,0:45:19.590
Basically, as original research[br]that we have to do.
0:45:20.159,0:45:24.951
And the entire installation[br]is a research tool.
0:45:24.951,0:45:27.663
It's not only there to take a look[br]at what we did
0:45:27.663,0:45:29.331
and for presentation purposes,
0:45:29.331,0:45:31.968
but actually, I use it every day[br]for my research.
0:45:31.968,0:45:35.341
I change dates of documents,
0:45:35.341,0:45:38.782
and take a look at how things look[br]when I have changed that.
0:45:38.782,0:45:41.410
I do a lot with working hypothesis.
0:45:41.410,0:45:48.083
And we ask projects that have data[br]to give us their data,
0:45:48.083,0:45:50.073
and to feed them in,
0:45:50.073,0:45:54.269
and they can, again, put a label,
0:45:54.269,0:45:58.208
put an item to their data sets,
0:45:58.264,0:46:02.397
that says this has been produced[br]by the following project.
0:46:02.397,0:46:04.777
Next projects can continue with it.
0:46:04.777,0:46:06.962
But it's already there as a marker
0:46:06.962,0:46:11.260
that this is a data set[br]with work from a certain project.
0:46:11.437,0:46:14.149
And if you have a project, DFG--
0:46:14.779,0:46:17.568
DFG funded, the German[br]research institution--
0:46:17.568,0:46:19.404
if you have a project, you want to show
0:46:19.404,0:46:20.983
what kind of work you have done.
0:46:20.983,0:46:22.633
And you can now do a SPARQL search
0:46:22.633,0:46:25.880
and present your entire group of data sets
0:46:25.880,0:46:30.100
in the final résumé of your work.
0:46:30.751,0:46:36.002
So we get original research,[br]we identify research,
0:46:36.002,0:46:38.513
we encourage the working hypothesis.
0:46:38.588,0:46:40.045
This is a working tool,
0:46:40.045,0:46:42.807
and it's actually quite useful[br]to start from the beginning,
0:46:42.807,0:46:44.267
not to present something in the end.
0:46:44.267,0:46:46.741
But from day one, you work with it,
0:46:46.741,0:46:50.170
and what you think is[br]the proper answer to that question,
0:46:50.170,0:46:53.120
you can put it into Wikibase, and then
0:46:53.120,0:46:55.021
you can substantiate information
0:46:55.021,0:46:57.253
until you see this[br]is the right identification
0:46:57.253,0:46:59.532
of a person or the right date for a thing
0:46:59.532,0:47:02.249
which we haven't been able to date so far.
0:47:02.309,0:47:05.103
So, actually, accumulate work[br]while you are doing it,
0:47:05.103,0:47:07.536
use the Wikibase as a kind of tool
0:47:07.536,0:47:09.763
that is getting you closer[br]to the final result.
0:47:11.098,0:47:14.782
Our first meeting took place[br]on December 1, 2017.
0:47:15.268,0:47:18.757
And I remember I had[br]a little challenge for you,
0:47:18.960,0:47:25.067
and that was a death date--[br]a date of death for a person--
0:47:25.245,0:47:30.055
where I wanted to have someone[br]to show a source for that,
0:47:30.055,0:47:31.429
and that was extremely difficult,
0:47:31.429,0:47:32.975
because he had to create the source
0:47:32.975,0:47:34.758
before he could connect it to that.
0:47:34.758,0:47:36.499
And in the room, we were--
0:47:36.499,0:47:39.815
we had the clear idea,[br]if we do this, we'd do it
0:47:39.815,0:47:44.608
with the sources already part[br]of the Wikibase installation we have.
0:47:44.608,0:47:46.433
And if we have the sources in there--
0:47:46.433,0:47:49.515
that is, all the early modern books[br]that have been printed
0:47:49.515,0:47:50.771
would be the ideal.
0:47:50.771,0:47:53.382
If we have that in there,[br]we need the GND in there.
0:47:53.382,0:47:59.538
And when we heard that the GND people[br]are on their track to test the software,
0:47:59.538,0:48:01.879
I approached them and asked,[br]"Wouldn't you like to do this
0:48:01.879,0:48:05.499
in a cooperation with us,[br]so that we can have your data,
0:48:05.499,0:48:07.208
which we want to have, anyway,
0:48:07.208,0:48:09.976
and that you can see[br]how it works on a Wikibase."
0:48:09.976,0:48:11.684
And this is where we are at the moment.
0:48:11.684,0:48:14.849
And presently, I would say,[br]a lot of things,
0:48:14.849,0:48:16.399
we're not sure how they are done,
0:48:16.399,0:48:18.339
or at least I am not sure[br]how they are done.
0:48:18.339,0:48:21.292
How's the input done, how do you get[br]from a resource of strings
0:48:21.292,0:48:24.500
to an item-based resource--[br]lots of things.
0:48:25.111,0:48:28.065
And basically, my talk here[br]is an invitation.
0:48:28.471,0:48:30.012
Join us.
0:48:30.502,0:48:32.987
We are still not really part[br]of the Wikibase community.
0:48:32.987,0:48:33.999
That doesn't exist.
0:48:33.999,0:48:35.789
We have a Wikidata community.
0:48:35.789,0:48:38.057
And lots of things[br]are taking place in Wikidata,
0:48:38.057,0:48:42.751
but if I ask for help for a Wikibase[br]that is not Wikidata,
0:48:43.118,0:48:44.696
that's a difficult thing.
0:48:46.030,0:48:49.432
First thing I would say is,[br]actually, to work with us is cool,
0:48:49.432,0:48:53.665
because you can grab the data[br]for Wikidata anytime, any moment, at CC0.
0:48:54.398,0:48:57.886
So, actually, you can use it[br]as an incubator of your work,
0:48:57.886,0:49:00.486
and drag it to Wikidata.
0:49:01.013,0:49:06.106
And also, we will work with big data,[br]when we have the GND
0:49:06.106,0:49:07.967
in there, that will be quite something.
0:49:07.967,0:49:09.628
So, if you really want the challenge,
0:49:09.628,0:49:11.810
you can get it also on our platform.
0:49:12.339,0:49:15.499
And we offer interesting communities.
0:49:16.394,0:49:18.341
Basically, one of the things[br]that is different
0:49:18.341,0:49:21.489
is that we have all clear-name accounts[br]and institutions.
0:49:21.489,0:49:24.459
So, but that also means you can do things
0:49:24.459,0:49:25.949
which you couldn't do on Wikidata.
0:49:25.949,0:49:27.976
You can do your genealogy at our site.
0:49:27.976,0:49:28.993
We don't mind.
0:49:28.993,0:49:32.075
It's interesting to have people[br]getting such data.
0:49:32.075,0:49:36.049
You can do your city's search--[br]research, historical research
0:49:36.049,0:49:37.948
on our platform-- we don't mind.
0:49:37.948,0:49:42.456
You can be with research on our platform.
0:49:43.052,0:49:45.812
So, lots of things need to be done.
0:49:46.137,0:49:48.565
We have immense problems[br]running the database.
0:49:48.565,0:49:50.676
It was implemented by Wikimedia,
0:49:50.676,0:49:52.981
but now, we see lots of things[br]don't really work.
0:49:52.981,0:49:54.478
We can't really fix that.
0:49:54.478,0:49:57.543
It's extremely difficult to get help
0:49:57.543,0:50:00.489
to run the database,[br]to update the database,
0:50:00.489,0:50:03.034
to solve little technical problems,
0:50:03.034,0:50:08.632
which we face as soon as we run[br]an instance outside Wikidata.
0:50:09.318,0:50:13.002
Like getting the direct[br]GND link is difficult.
0:50:13.055,0:50:15.644
It works on Wikidata,[br]it doesn't work on our instance.
0:50:15.644,0:50:19.620
Getting images from Wikimedia Commons
0:50:19.620,0:50:23.260
on our Wikibase is not that easy.
0:50:23.260,0:50:25.370
Lots of little things still remain.
0:50:25.370,0:50:27.525
So, actually, this is an invitation.
0:50:27.525,0:50:32.153
If you want to join us[br]on the mass input, do that.
0:50:33.852,0:50:34.861
Approach us.
0:50:34.912,0:50:37.191
If you want to help us[br]with technical things,
0:50:37.191,0:50:38.591
this is highly welcome.
0:50:38.591,0:50:40.129
And then, we need tools.
0:50:40.129,0:50:42.120
You saw the tool we had in the beginning.
0:50:42.120,0:50:44.921
Actually, it's not that difficult[br]to get such tools.
0:50:45.934,0:50:50.963
I saw what kind of query you do[br]to get such a visualization,
0:50:50.963,0:50:55.140
and once you have it,[br]you should be able to modify it easily.
0:50:56.601,0:50:59.358
These tools are extremely precious
0:50:59.358,0:51:02.754
in our community[br]of digital humanities projects.
0:51:02.774,0:51:06.099
And there are little companies[br]that create these tools,
0:51:06.099,0:51:08.727
again, and again, and again,[br]and get money for that.
0:51:08.727,0:51:12.202
I would love to have these tools[br]just once and for all free
0:51:12.202,0:51:15.493
and on the market and working[br]with a Wikibase instance.
0:51:15.493,0:51:19.662
So, anyone who is interested[br]in developing tools,
0:51:19.662,0:51:21.901
approach us, and we have plenty of ideas
0:51:21.901,0:51:24.624
of what visualizations[br]historians would love to see,
0:51:25.071,0:51:26.815
and that should be done.
0:51:28.198,0:51:31.493
So, basically, lots of things,[br]like, still remain.
0:51:31.549,0:51:33.774
I've got one minute.[br]I don't need that one minute.
0:51:33.821,0:51:35.640
And you're putting pressure on me.
0:51:37.260,0:51:38.637
(person) Give it to the audience.
0:51:38.637,0:51:40.380
I give the minute to the audience.
0:51:40.380,0:51:42.122
Yeah. Thank you so much.
0:51:42.172,0:51:44.324
And maybe you want to sit down,
0:51:44.324,0:51:49.363
because I would like everyone[br]to join me back on stage.
0:51:50.053,0:51:51.793
And we can have a round of questions.
0:51:51.793,0:51:54.628
I really like that we ended[br]with an invitation,
0:51:54.628,0:51:56.850
because this is what this is now.
0:51:57.254,0:51:58.836
You are invited to ask questions.
0:51:58.836,0:52:03.165
You are also invited to join us tomorrow[br]at the Wikibase meetup.
0:52:03.489,0:52:06.332
If you are-- if you have some idea
0:52:06.332,0:52:08.567
for an awesome Wikibase installation,
0:52:08.567,0:52:12.262
for your institution, for your hobby,[br]for changing the world--
0:52:12.990,0:52:16.267
please come and join us,[br]we will meet up, and--
0:52:18.083,0:52:20.228
There's some complication[br]with the chairs.
0:52:20.357,0:52:22.340
Well, let's stand up. Okay.
0:52:22.390,0:52:24.496
I think we have another microphone, here.
0:52:24.496,0:52:26.528
(person) I have the microphone [br]for the questions.
0:52:26.971,0:52:29.246
Okay. So--
0:52:31.157,0:52:32.662
Thank you for the presenters.
0:52:32.662,0:52:35.799
And meet us at the Wikibase meetup,
0:52:35.799,0:52:38.911
and now, I can't wait to hear[br]your questions to the panel.
0:52:40.731,0:52:42.391
(person) Who's the first?
0:52:43.805,0:52:47.088
(person) Hi. I will be talking[br]in the lightning session, too,
0:52:47.088,0:52:50.872
about geosciences, and how in geosciences,
0:52:50.872,0:52:54.312
there's many data repositories[br]that have collected
0:52:54.312,0:52:56.895
and shared data with the community
0:52:56.895,0:52:59.331
for years, for decades in some cases.
0:52:59.820,0:53:04.808
And they curate the data set,[br]their schemas evolve continuously,
0:53:04.808,0:53:07.243
they get a lot of feedback[br]from the community.
0:53:07.243,0:53:10.042
All they desire is to organize[br]the community,
0:53:10.042,0:53:12.557
to enable the growth[br]of these repositories.
0:53:13.046,0:53:17.371
So, they don't necessarily desire[br]to put all their content in Wikidata
0:53:17.371,0:53:18.837
and lose control over it.
0:53:18.837,0:53:22.201
They offer a tremendous service[br]curating this content.
0:53:22.566,0:53:27.743
So, I just wanted to point out[br]that some of the requirements
0:53:27.743,0:53:30.895
and needs that have been voiced[br]by the panelists
0:53:30.895,0:53:32.841
appear in my communities.
0:53:32.931,0:53:39.764
And my question is, how do you mix[br]or maintain control
0:53:40.291,0:53:42.971
over those schemas, over the standards,
0:53:42.971,0:53:47.827
while allowing the community[br]to continue to introduce feedback
0:53:47.827,0:53:52.194
and have more of this crowdsourcing[br]spirit that Wikidata has?
0:53:52.882,0:53:56.209
I think everyone could answer that,[br]but maybe David, you want to start?
0:53:57.313,0:53:59.470
I'm not sure whether I'm the right[br]person to answer this,
0:53:59.470,0:54:00.845
because in our use case--
0:54:02.175,0:54:04.100
in terms of data modeling,
0:54:04.100,0:54:09.297
it's really a narrow set of people[br]who actually do the work.
0:54:09.472,0:54:13.415
We contact experts[br]for the relevant segments,
0:54:14.145,0:54:17.309
and some of them could contribute,[br]but for the current iteration,
0:54:17.309,0:54:21.035
it was only me and two colleagues[br]who actually worked on it.
0:54:21.082,0:54:25.903
So, we want to have this option,[br]that we get experts in,
0:54:25.903,0:54:29.356
but it's always in close[br]collaboration with us,
0:54:29.356,0:54:32.076
so that we don't really have to worry
0:54:32.076,0:54:34.349
about the problem of crowdsourcing.
0:54:36.053,0:54:38.232
Being part of the Wikimedia community,
0:54:38.232,0:54:40.620
I would say, I would not be that worried.
0:54:40.702,0:54:45.797
95% of the edits are good edits,[br]and improving things--more than that.
0:54:47.097,0:54:50.409
As soon as we have an instance[br]that is actually closed--
0:54:50.409,0:54:53.350
where I offer the accounts on real name,
0:54:53.350,0:54:59.469
that's an additional hurdle[br]that no fool is going to go over.
0:54:59.520,0:55:05.335
People are required on our instance[br]to offer an address, on page--
0:55:05.442,0:55:06.938
not to me, but on page--
0:55:06.938,0:55:10.312
and this is something only[br]institutions usually do,
0:55:10.312,0:55:11.576
or private people that say,
0:55:11.576,0:55:13.564
"Okay, I'm a private person.[br]I love this research.
0:55:13.564,0:55:15.882
This is my personal field.[br]I give you my address."
0:55:15.882,0:55:19.692
And this is a thing that puts off every--
0:55:20.384,0:55:23.718
any vandal who wants to destroy Wikidata.
0:55:24.084,0:55:27.545
So, you can close the system, but then,
0:55:27.545,0:55:30.216
you are not really part[br]of the same flowing community.
0:55:30.305,0:55:33.264
But again, I would say, if you go to CC0,
0:55:33.264,0:55:35.848
then you can open up,[br]you can be the incubator
0:55:35.848,0:55:40.552
where people do the research,[br]and then it goes out to the community.
0:55:40.552,0:55:44.935
But it's an invitation--[br]use maybe closed works,
0:55:44.935,0:55:48.743
and use an instance where[br]you work together with people you like.
0:55:54.123,0:55:56.475
Well, I think that--
0:55:59.752,0:56:03.798
I don't think that it's only my opinion--
0:56:04.499,0:56:07.250
it is there are different perspectives,
0:56:07.250,0:56:12.911
and it will be hard to reconcile[br]all perspectives and say,
0:56:13.359,0:56:19.333
"Wikidata is the solution[br]for the entire world to go into."
0:56:20.065,0:56:24.364
I don't say by this that Wikidata[br]is not a solution,
0:56:24.972,0:56:27.925
but there are different perspectives,[br]there are different needs.
0:56:27.925,0:56:34.844
The world is-- really, there is[br]a large variety of needs,
0:56:34.844,0:56:40.271
of professional perspectives,[br]that you cannot reconcile
0:56:40.271,0:56:44.639
in a unique worldwide database.
0:56:44.639,0:56:48.587
So, I think that both are--
0:56:48.587,0:56:51.756
The trickiest thing is how to reconcile
0:56:51.756,0:56:58.528
and find angles of dialogue[br]between these two large families
0:56:58.528,0:57:00.800
of needs and perspectives.
0:57:03.349,0:57:05.379
If there are more questions,
0:57:05.379,0:57:07.860
I would rather like to go[br]to more questions.
0:57:08.960,0:57:10.382
Anybody else?
0:57:12.482,0:57:15.159
If not, meanwhile you're thinking[br]about your questions--
0:57:15.159,0:57:17.726
I would just like to say[br]that's one of the reasons
0:57:17.726,0:57:19.632
why we consider Wikibase,
0:57:19.647,0:57:23.820
because we believe that adding,[br]editing information
0:57:23.820,0:57:27.992
within the Wikibase instance,[br]where you have rights and roles,
0:57:27.992,0:57:31.443
as you have in Wikidata,[br]gives us the opportunity
0:57:31.443,0:57:36.360
to share that information[br]with the information in Wikidata
0:57:36.360,0:57:39.109
in a more easy way,[br]a more convenient way
0:57:39.109,0:57:44.170
than if we try to build these bridges[br]in between our authority file
0:57:44.170,0:57:46.520
and Wikidata at the moment.
0:57:46.641,0:57:48.421
(person) So, I find it quite exciting
0:57:48.421,0:57:51.870
hearing about how[br]you're energizing communities
0:57:51.870,0:57:55.149
to find their own ways for data modeling,
0:57:55.149,0:57:58.636
and that you can put into Wikibase.
0:57:59.336,0:58:02.556
Will you-- I'm just saying[br]of Stuart Prior's community,
0:58:02.556,0:58:04.174
but also some of the others--
0:58:04.174,0:58:06.155
be trying to feed the approaches
0:58:06.155,0:58:10.157
that as a community[br]that you decide work back to Wikidata,
0:58:10.157,0:58:12.876
to say, "We've done artists' books,
0:58:12.876,0:58:15.316
we've thrashed through several iterations,
0:58:15.316,0:58:17.753
this is what we found really worked,
0:58:17.753,0:58:19.904
and the properties that you should have
0:58:19.904,0:58:23.193
or revisions you should make[br]to the Wikidata data model.
0:58:24.018,0:58:26.006
Good question. Very short answer.
0:58:27.388,0:58:28.922
It's an interesting question.
0:58:30.112,0:58:31.847
I don't know whether this is a model
0:58:31.847,0:58:33.551
that's going to work for other types.
0:58:33.638,0:58:35.009
I hope it is.
0:58:36.063,0:58:39.093
But it's a difficult one if you question
0:58:39.093,0:58:42.774
of whether the Wikidata community[br]accepts the kind of authority
0:58:42.774,0:58:45.700
of a separate community that goes off[br]and does the work on its own.
0:58:46.556,0:58:47.776
But I would certainly hope
0:58:47.776,0:58:50.335
that it's a way of people[br]feeding back into this process,
0:58:50.335,0:58:53.702
without necessarily needing to go[br]onto Wikidata and do it.
0:58:56.904,0:58:58.525
Well, I would say, grab it.
0:58:58.525,0:59:01.721
Grab it if it's convenient, take it,[br]and take a look at how it works
0:59:01.721,0:59:02.896
in the other instance.
0:59:02.896,0:59:06.424
And if you feel like[br]this is a cool property
0:59:06.424,0:59:09.457
to do certain searches,[br]then that will be adopted,
0:59:09.457,0:59:10.721
that will be flowing.
0:59:10.721,0:59:12.839
I wouldn't think[br]of authorities doing this.
0:59:12.839,0:59:14.807
(person) Coming from[br]a Wikidata user perspective,
0:59:14.807,0:59:17.543
the great thing you're doing[br]is showing you've established code
0:59:17.543,0:59:18.802
that works and runs.
0:59:18.802,0:59:21.390
You've established a data model[br]that people can see,
0:59:21.390,0:59:23.290
is implementable, and works.
0:59:23.348,0:59:25.867
And so, in the open source community,
0:59:25.867,0:59:27.693
you know, show us the code.
0:59:27.705,0:59:29.124
You can do that.
0:59:29.124,0:59:32.726
And that's why I think it's very exciting[br]to have these branches
0:59:32.726,0:59:35.306
that can then fold it back[br]for data modeling.
0:59:35.306,0:59:36.381
Yeah, thank you.
0:59:36.381,0:59:38.373
I think that is exactly the point.
0:59:38.902,0:59:41.833
I also like the verb[br]that you used-- energize.
0:59:41.923,0:59:43.869
This is exactly what we want to do.
0:59:43.869,0:59:46.584
Energize, as in Star Trek.
0:59:47.890,0:59:50.193
Yeah, this panel comes to an end.
0:59:51.120,0:59:53.750
And if you have any more questions
0:59:53.750,0:59:57.431
on all these Wikibase projects, talk.
0:59:57.442,0:59:59.633
- Please come tomorrow.[br]- Have conversations.
0:59:59.633,1:00:01.504
This is what this conference is about.
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Thank you very much.
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(applause)