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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.69,0:00:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meezan - Tadabbur-e Quran\N(Understanding the Quran)
Dialogue: 0,0:00:05.89,0:00:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meezan and Furqan, Disputes of recitation.\NLecture. 13 A. 12-04-2002
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.47,0:00:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scholar. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.48,0:00:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] Alhumdulillah\NAll Praise is due to Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.92,0:00:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Peace and Blessings be upon His\NTrustworthy Prophet Muhammad.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.43,0:00:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I seek refuge with Allah from the\Naccursed Satan.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.39,0:00:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the name of Allah, Most Beneficent\Nand Ever Merciful.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.32,0:00:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ladies and gentlemen,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.01,0:00:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the debate about Meezan\Nand Furqan,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.69,0:00:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have been studying the various\Npoints of views about Qiraat of the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.78,0:00:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We saw in it that even though it is\Nusually thought that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.86,0:01:01.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is more than one single\Nrecitation of the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.74,0:01:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when we look at it in light\Nof the Quran itself
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.29,0:01:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as in light of the entire history\Nwhich we have with us,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.50,0:01:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we study this whole issue, then an\Nentirely different scenario emerges.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.89,0:01:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence we also saw in great detail
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.33,0:01:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the Quran itself says about its\Nrecitation and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.43,0:01:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its process of compilation and order.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.14,0:01:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We then also saw that the corpus that we\Npossess with us with respect to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.15,0:01:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uloon-ul-Quran (sciences of the Quran),
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.98,0:01:41.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are the historical traditions written\Nin it conveying?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.71,0:01:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From that it became clear that one reading\Nof the Quran is that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.37,0:01:52.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which it was being revealed\Nduring the first stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.33,0:01:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that, Allah Himself gave it a\Nnew order and arrangement.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.26,0:02:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And based on that order, a second\Nrecitation of the Quran was revealed.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.90,0:02:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even in that, due regard was taken\Nto reveal that second recitation twice.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.26,0:02:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there was a group from among\Nthe Companions
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.66,0:02:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were present with the Prophet (pbuh)\Nduring that event
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.63,0:02:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when in the last year of the Prophet's\Nlife, Archangel Gabriel recited it twice.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.52,0:02:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Along with this historical record, we had\Nalso seen previously
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.15,0:02:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Quran itself says the same\Nthing about itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.15,0:02:34.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has made it absolutely clear
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.60,0:02:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Almighty also knew what the\Ncontemporary situation was,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.60,0:02:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is revealing the Quran\Naccordingly.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.07,0:02:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And 'Sanuqri'uka fala tansa Illa\Nmasha'allah
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.44,0:02:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,innahoo ya'lamul jahra wa\Nma yakhfa'.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.11,0:02:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And later, the things\Nwhich were hidden
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.52,0:02:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those which were not told to the\NProphet or the Companions,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.31,0:02:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but which Allah is well aware of,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.48,0:02:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the tribulations which the Muslims\Nwill be faced with till Judgement Day,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.24,0:02:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which Allah knows too,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.89,0:03:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hence taking into consideration\Nthese factors,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.85,0:03:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He would give the whole of Quran a\Nnew order.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.95,0:03:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is something which the Quran\Nhas stated itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.04,0:03:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has also made it clear that it then\Nbecomes imperative
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.73,0:03:11.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that only the second recitation\Nshould be followed.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.41,0:03:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this second recitation which is termed\Nas arzah al-akhirah (final presentation),
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.81,0:03:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have read about this\Nin great detail.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.17,0:03:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Towards the end of it, this question\Nhad come up that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.71,0:03:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would be said about that\Nnarration
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.53,0:03:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is written in the books\Nof Hadith
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.82,0:03:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the Quran being revealed\Nin Seven Ahruf.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.01,0:03:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thus we were highlighting certain critical\Npoints about this narration
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.78,0:03:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on the contents of its text.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:38.88,0:03:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this, two aspects had come under\Ndiscussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.73,0:03:46.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first point that came under\Ndiscussion was that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.94,0:03:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no doubt that this narration can\Nbe found
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.07,0:03:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the primary books of Hadith.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.94,0:03:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the moment, the science of Hadith\Nwhich we have with us,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.31,0:04:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in light of that, the chain of \Ntransmission of this narration
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.84,0:04:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cannot be brought under question in a way\Nthat would
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.76,0:04:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make it stand abolished or rejected.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.06,0:04:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In its chain of transmission, such\Ntrusted personages are found
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.84,0:04:12.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole reports are generally considered\Ntrustworthy and acceptable.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.19,0:04:16.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nor is there any kind of a break in\Nthe chain of transmission, apparently.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.37,0:04:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what does it mean? What is\Nthe meaning of this report?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.81,0:04:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The report does not mean anything\Nin itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.49,0:04:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a verse of the Quran and if no\None in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.32,0:04:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can understand its meaning, then what\Nopinion can be formed about it?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.32,0:04:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What exactly is it then?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.92,0:04:38.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the first thing we read about it was,\Nwhat is its subject matter?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.14,0:04:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is its meaning?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.30,0:04:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it trying to say? What does\N'Seven Ahruf' in it imply?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.30,0:04:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When it is said that the Quran is\Nrevealed in Seven Ahruf (Seven Ways),
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.30,0:04:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there must be some referent in\Nlight of which this claim is being made.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.42,0:04:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is it? So we saw that in the\Nlast fourteen centures,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.05,0:04:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no consensus has been achieved\Nabout it.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.07,0:05:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreover, it is a wilderness of opinions\Nin which ones finds himself confounded.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.59,0:05:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence I had stated that Al-Suyuti who is\Na very well read and erudite person,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.32,0:05:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact it is absolutely correct about\NImam Ibn Taymiyyah and Al-Suyuti,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.67,0:05:16.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in our historical corpus and in\Nour traditions,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.97,0:05:20.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they don't know something, then it\Nis not known to anyone else either.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.71,0:05:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both of them are very widely read\Nand erudite.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.13,0:05:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a very famous saying about\NImam ibn Taymiyyah,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.37,0:05:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that 'Ammal Hadees fala yaa'rifu\Nibn Taymiyyah falaysa bi-Hadees.'
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.37,0:05:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means that a Hadith not known to\Nibn Taymiyyah,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.96,0:05:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is simply not a Hadith report.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.45,0:05:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It speaks of his reach and erudition.\NAnd the case with al-Suyuti is the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.10,0:05:43.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One can have a discussion about\Nhis understanding,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.20,0:05:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way he collated information, and\Nhis method of critique and analysis used,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.40,0:05:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those can be discussed too.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.04,0:05:52.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But he too was an extremely well read\Nand erudite.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.47,0:05:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In his book Al-Itqaan,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.47,0:05:56.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Al-Itqaan which we have,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.97,0:05:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in addition to al-Burhan by\NZarkashi,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.90,0:06:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Al-Itqaan by Suyuti,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.64,0:06:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these two books are actually central\Nto the discipline of Uloom ul-Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.60,0:06:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they are the primary texts,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.96,0:06:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Al-Itqaan by Suyuti, and al-Burhan\Nby Zarkashi.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.08,0:06:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uloom ul-Quran means that whatever\Ncommentaries and materials
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.29,0:06:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have with us about the Quran,\Nall of it is collated together.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.96,0:06:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About how the Quran was revealed,\Nwhich verses are there in it,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.68,0:06:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the history of its\Ncompilation and arrangement,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.06,0:06:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what have been the different styles\Nof commentaries on it,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.66,0:06:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is the issue around\Nits recitations.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.25,0:06:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these aspects are brought together\Nunder a discipline,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.72,0:06:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these two texts are the primary\Nbooks of that discipline.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.78,0:06:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So naturally Suyuti has discussed about\Nit in his Al-Itqaan.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.13,0:06:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a very comprehensive debate in\Nwhich he elaborates
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.87,0:06:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on what this narration says,\Nand what is its subject matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.17,0:06:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in that he acknowledges the fact that\Nthere are about forty different opinions
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.82,0:06:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which have been formed about the\Nnarration up till then.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.68,0:06:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But not even a single opinion is such\Nwhich does not fall short of adequate.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.68,0:07:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the very first glance it can be seen\Nthat it is not a suitable stance.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.68,0:07:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That the narration is still an enigma.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.26,0:07:05.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is as if an utterly senseless opinion\Nhas been given
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.92,0:07:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only to satisfy oneself, but that\Nhas not worked successfully.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.82,0:07:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what Suyuti himself has\Nacknowledged!
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.06,0:07:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after that acknowledgement,\Nthe last point he has made
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.51,0:07:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his commentary on Al-Muwatta,\Ntitled Tanwir al-hawalik,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.73,0:07:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so he has a commentary on Al-Muwatta\Nas well.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.52,0:07:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the text which I have cited from the\Nnarration is from Al-Muwatta.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.96,0:07:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have also mentioned that this text can\Nbe found in other Hadith collections too.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.59,0:07:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But since Al-Muwatta is the primary book,\Nso I have copied the text from it.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.86,0:07:31.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Suyuti's Tanwir al-hawalik is the\Ncommentary of that very book.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.59,0:07:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when he has come to this narration\Nin his book,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.28,0:07:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he has acknowledged that it must\Nbe accepted that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.40,0:07:38.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though this narration exists,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.84,0:07:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it must be regarded as being from the\Nmatters which are mutashabihat.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.29,0:07:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means that no one can know\Nwhat it means. This must be accepted.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.89,0:07:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if the meanings cannot be known,\Nthen the debate comes an end here.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.52,0:07:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What can be further said about\Nthis narration?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.26,0:07:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because whatever we have to believe or\Nknow about the narration,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.97,0:07:55.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to be based on its very meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.86,0:07:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The narration has been written down,\Nand it can remain there.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.13,0:08:01.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the first point, that no one has\Nsucceeded in offering an explanation
Dialogue: 0,0:08:01.15,0:08:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of its meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.69,0:08:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even the people who have worked\Nextraordinarily hard for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.75,0:08:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the modern era too, the scholars\Nwho believe this narration to be true,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.27,0:08:15.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or based on this narration they hold a\Npositive viewpoint
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.27,0:08:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding multiple recitations.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.43,0:08:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have seen all of their reasonings\Nas well.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.32,0:08:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even in that, there is the same\Nkind of acknowledgement to be found.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.35,0:08:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in our contemporary times, the\Npeople who wrote some books
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.31,0:08:26.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Uloom ul-Quran, including\Nthe ones written in Urdu,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.74,0:08:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they too find themselves forced to admit\Nthat it has no meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.27,0:08:33.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What the meaning of the narration is,\Nis hard to figure out.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.93,0:08:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then it also happens that they sometimes\Nconsider a worthless opinion
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.93,0:08:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be the closest to being adequate.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.35,0:08:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, comes close to being the\Ncorrect understanding. Yes?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.54,0:08:46.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Student] Sir when people say about this\Nnarration that it is hard to understand,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.91,0:08:50.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do they still abide by the idea that\Nit was revealed in seven ways?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.03,0:08:52.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Well their being convinced by \Nthis notion is a separate story.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:52.65,0:08:56.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am only talking about what the meaning\Nof this narration is.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.65,0:08:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone actually accepts it,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.36,0:09:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have already stated that previously\Nand we will summarize it again later on.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.80,0:09:03.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no dispute among people when\Nit comes to believing in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.41,0:09:05.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But what is the meaning of\Nthis narration?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.47,0:09:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Student] His question was that\Nif we say that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.06,0:09:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this narration is such that no one can\Nunderstand its meaning,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:12.22,0:09:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then on what basis do they claim to\Nabide by the Seven recitations?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.96,0:09:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] What do you mean by\NSeven recitations?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.88,0:09:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one believes in seven recitations.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.85,0:09:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People believe in dozens of recitations\Nactually.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.14,0:09:23.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Student] That there is another recitation\Nof the Quran apart from this one reading.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.100,0:09:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Yes that is what you\Nshould say.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.38,0:09:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About that, people say it exists.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.31,0:09:31.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have already discussed that and\Nexplained to you that they say it exists.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.45,0:09:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those other readings people are\Nrelating and they are found in some books,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.92,0:09:37.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some people are narrating it with\Nits oral chain of transmission,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:37.44,0:09:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or someone is teaching it.\NPeople do say all these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.56,0:09:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact I have already told you that on\Nthe basis of it
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.43,0:09:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an official Quran has been published\Nin our contemporary times.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.59,0:09:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have placed that Quran before you\Nas well.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.64,0:09:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is no denying that other\Nreadings exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.10,0:09:54.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And based on the fact of their existence,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.75,0:09:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people believe that these recitations \Nexist.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.06,0:09:59.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is something which is lying before us.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.51,0:10:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And some people present this narration\Ntoo as a source of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.93,0:10:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I am saying is that this narration\Nshould not be a matter of confusion.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.88,0:10:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Student] So people cite this report as\Nas a support for other recitations?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.78,0:10:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] No there is no need to present\Nit as a support,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.49,0:10:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but since there is a mention of difference\Nover recitations,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.63,0:10:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it naturally becomes a matter of\Nconcern for us, doesn't it?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.98,0:10:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be presented as a supportive\Nevidence when it would have any meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.96,0:10:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So firstly the meanings should be\Nclear. Does it even mean something?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.96,0:10:25.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You might have missed this sentence.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.75,0:10:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had started the debate about this\Nnarration by saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.91,0:10:30.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here it is possible that the narrative on\Nthe Seven Ahruf
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.96,0:10:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might cause some confusion for some\Npeople in this regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.33,0:10:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it is quite possible that after\Nlistening to this whole debate on Qirat,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.67,0:10:40.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one might say this narration which is\Nfound in the books of Hadith
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.59,0:10:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there was a dispute which arose over\Nthe recitations of the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.06,0:10:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or disagreements of this kind\Nwere present,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.71,0:10:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so could it be referring to those\Nvery disagreements?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.69,0:10:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is possible right?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.78,0:10:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we have to discuss this narration\Nfrom that aspect.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.13,0:10:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the basis of this narration,\NI have told you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.49,0:10:58.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what can anyone say, for people\Nhad to acknowledge
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.49,0:11:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it holds no meaning at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.78,0:11:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how can anyone present it\Nas an evidence?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.65,0:11:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since it does not seem to have\Nany meaning in its substance.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.96,0:11:11.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever this narration is conveying,\Nthat itself is impossible to determine.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.33,0:11:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence we must acknowledge that it is from\Nthe verses related to mutashabihat matters
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.91,0:11:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its meaning is only known\Nto Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.95,0:11:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because we know about the\Nmutashabihat
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.70,0:11:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it is said that their meanings are\Nknown only to God.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.24,0:11:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when something can be known\Nby God alone,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.17,0:11:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no way after the finality of\NProphethood to know its meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.25,0:11:30.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only after the veil of the Judgement\NDay will be lifted,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.51,0:11:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we will have the honor to\Ntalk to Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.79,0:11:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does it seem possible that its\Nmeaning can be conveyed.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.13,0:11:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As of now, it holds no meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.99,0:11:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what I am saying about\Nthis narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.48,0:11:45.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second point about this which\NI had presented before you was,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.66,0:11:50.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that one explanation of this narration\Nis there which could have been plausible.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.19,0:11:53.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people did try to explain it\Nthat way.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.66,0:11:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That explanation could have been that\Nactually the disagreement which is in it,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.50,0:12:01.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where Syedna Umar heard the\Nrecitation and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:01.25,0:12:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hisham ibn Hakeem ibn Hizam was\Nreciting,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.82,0:12:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which Umar felt was different from\Nhis own and he responded angrily.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.27,0:12:09.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He dragged Hisham over to the\NProphet (pbuh).
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.59,0:12:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this actually wasn't a dispute over\Nthe meanings or of the words,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.72,0:12:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but rather was one of pronunciation.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.22,0:12:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This could have been a very\Nplausible explanation.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.100,0:12:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because disagreements over\Npronunciations in reading a language
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.15,0:12:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in speaking it, is a very natural\Nthing which can occur.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.42,0:12:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the people of one geographical\Narea speak a word in one way,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.67,0:12:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people from another area can\Npronounce it in another way.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.54,0:12:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even today we see that the same Arabic\Nis written, and the word Hajj is there,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.10,0:12:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Egyptians will still pronounce\Nit as 'Hagg'.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:37.98,0:12:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason for that is that\Nthey cannot pronounce the letter 'J'.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.13,0:12:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly you can see in Urdu\Nlanguage,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.91,0:12:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people from Hyderabad will\Npronounce 'K' as 'kh' only.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.32,0:12:49.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can force them as much as\Nyou want,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.37,0:12:52.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that is the sound they produce.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.34,0:12:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the case with pronunciations\Nand dialects.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.26,0:12:57.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even with Arabs, they have numerous\Ndialects.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.03,0:13:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people are there, when we\Nread the history of Arabic language,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.23,0:13:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the history of their dialects,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.38,0:13:06.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of books have been published\Non this.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.16,0:13:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So from those we know that for instance\Nthe people from Banu Taym tribe,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.75,0:13:11.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the contrary to the people\Nfrom the Hijaz,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.68,0:13:14.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like we say in Arabic,\N'akram tuk'.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.23,0:13:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'I give you respect,\NI hold you in high esteem.'
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.91,0:13:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in the Hejazi dialect, this\Nsentence is enough to convey this.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.68,0:13:23.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the Banu Taym people will\Nsay 'akram tukas'.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.81,0:13:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in their dialect, after the sentence is\Nsaid, a sound of 's' is produced.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.82,0:13:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though they are saying\Nthat same Arabic sentence.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.04,0:13:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, there are many Arabic\Ndialects in which
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.23,0:13:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the letters 'alif' and 'laam'\Nof Arabic,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.22,0:13:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turns into 'alif meem'.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.23,0:13:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That famous incident is there when\Nsome people came to the Prophet (pbuh),
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.32,0:13:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and 'laysam im birrim tamum\Nbi l safar'.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.73,0:13:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Laysa minal birri taamu\Nfi l safar'
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.02,0:13:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So 'alif laam' became 'alif\Nmeem' in their dialect.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.08,0:13:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This incident has been recorded\Nin the Hadith as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.46,0:13:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is not an isolated incident,\Nthere are numerous dialects in fact.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.18,0:14:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in the current era you can see,\Nthere are so many dialects of English,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.29,0:14:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even Urdu has some dialects\Nalthough there are not many.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.61,0:14:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Punjabi of course has many.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.25,0:14:08.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can see the Punjabi of Khushab,\Nor the one spoken in Majha,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.03,0:14:12.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in Kallar, or you can see the Punjabi\Ninspired by Gulabi Urdu of Lahore.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.78,0:14:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are dozens of dialects\Nof the Punjabi language as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.80,0:14:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which people converse.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.59,0:14:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this could have been a plausible\Nexplanation,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.66,0:14:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Syedna Umar felt that Hisham\Nis not reading the Quran in our dialect.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.39,0:14:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This could have been a very\Nprobable reasoning.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.36,0:14:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this could be conveyed in\NArabic by saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.86,0:14:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I heard him reciting the Quran in\Na different way.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.30,0:14:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This can be said.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.02,0:14:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we Hindi speaking people\Nspeak Arabic,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.29,0:14:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so if we do not speak Arabic with\Nthe Arabs' pronunciation,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.48,0:14:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if we haven't practiced it well, then\Nthey would find it hard to understand us.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.02,0:14:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what we call tajweed.\NWhat exactly is it?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.16,0:14:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is actually an imitation of the\NArabic dialect.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.16,0:14:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the Arabic dialect? That is\Nwhat we train ourselves to speak in,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.92,0:14:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a proper science. Even in that,\Nhow far we manage to succeed,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.57,0:15:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is a separate debate, but the fact\Nis we have to learn it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.10,0:15:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The art of Qirat, of Tajweed, this is\Nthe reason we have to learn these things.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.69,0:15:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this could have been a plausible\Nexplanation, it could have been acceptable
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.57,0:15:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had it been said that there was a\Ndifference of dialect
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.24,0:15:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between these two Companions.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:14.21,0:15:16.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One was from the tribe of Quraysh\Nand the other was from Banu Taym.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.62,0:15:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or one was a Qurayshi and the other\Nwas from Banu Hudhayl.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.80,0:15:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or one was a Qurayshi and the other\Nhad migrated from somewhere in Iraq,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.28,0:15:24.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or from Syria. So since there was a\Ndifference between their pronunciations,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.73,0:15:26.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hence Syedna Umar felt a difference\Nin recitation.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.37,0:15:29.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is a very natural fact, it is\Nnot something improbable.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:29.71,0:15:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then, the text of the narration,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.89,0:15:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I had said, it dismisses this\Nexplanation.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.04,0:15:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason for that is that both the\NCompanions were Qurayshi.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.04,0:15:44.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So either one of the individuals would\Nhave to be changed in the narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.10,0:15:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For it is not possible that people of\Nthe same community, of the same tribe,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.17,0:15:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have such a difference in their\Npronunciations.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.56,0:15:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To make a mistake is a separate\Nthing,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.87,0:15:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the dialect simply cannot be\Ndistinct.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.42,0:15:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was not like a modern\Nnation or community,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.61,0:16:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where 'community' is used to refer\Nto a population of 140 million people.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.93,0:16:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These were people living in the same\Narea, in the same village.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.06,0:16:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After all, what was the total population\Nof Mecca?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.76,0:16:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Despite their best efforts, how many\Nfighters could the Quraysh bring together
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.32,0:16:08.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the battles of Badr and Uhad?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.76,0:16:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can get an idea of their population\Nfrom this.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.22,0:16:11.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The men of fighting age who\Ncame on the battlefield,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.91,0:16:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their numbers were not more\Nthan a thousand.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.63,0:16:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So within such a small community,\Nthat difference is simply not possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.50,0:16:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is the same tribe, and they have such\Na small population,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.99,0:16:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for them to have such a huge\Ndifference in their dialect is impossible.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.98,0:16:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this explanation does not seem\Nacceptable to the text of the narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.40,0:16:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you were to remove the names of\Nboth of the Companions from the report,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.21,0:16:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for instance the situation is that\None person learnt the Quran from someone,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.30,0:16:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and heard another person reciting it, and\Nfelt there was a difference in dialect.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.99,0:16:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then this explanation would become\Nacceptable.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.34,0:16:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After this, the third aspect towards which\NI have tried to bring your attention,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.02,0:16:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relation to this narration,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.01,0:16:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.24,0:16:48.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suppose for a while that this was in\Nfact a difference of pronunciations.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:48.47,0:16:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let us ignore the obvious\Ncontradictions.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.53,0:16:52.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ignore for a while the fact that both\Nthe Companions were Qurayshi.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.87,0:16:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And let us accept this explanation,\Nlet us suppose it for the sake of argument
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.57,0:16:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a while we accept that it\Nwas the case.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.23,0:17:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the narration does not speak\Nof a difference in their dialects.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.67,0:17:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The narration says that the Quran itself\Nwas revealed in a different dialect.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.08,0:17:08.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what the narration is saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.20,0:17:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That one Quran was revealed in\None way,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.17,0:17:12.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the other Quran was revealed\Nin another way.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.93,0:17:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now naturally if it were to be said
Dialogue: 0,0:17:15.93,0:17:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the people were permitted to recite\Nthe Quran in various ways and dialects,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.31,0:17:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this is what would follow right?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.27,0:17:23.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That there were different\Npronunciations,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.67,0:17:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if someone wants to read it in the\NIraqi dialect, he may.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.40,0:17:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or someone else can recite it in\Nthe Egyptian dialect if he wants to.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.89,0:17:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They why is the word 'unzila' (revealed)\Nused in the narration?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.18,0:17:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This makes no sense, no matter\Nwhat explanation you offer.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.63,0:17:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason being that its revelation\Nis something entirely different.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.46,0:17:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The revelation has been done in the\Nlanguage of the Quraysh.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.86,0:17:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is absolutely correct that the people\Nwere told
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.52,0:17:43.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you may recite it with your own\Npronunciations and in your own dialects.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.36,0:17:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bismillah. But to say that Quran itself\Nhas been revealed in various dialects,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.99,0:17:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the reason for that claim?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.84,0:17:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One fails to understand this.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.79,0:17:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are the three aspects which are\Nin the way of introduction to this debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:58.29,0:18:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the last aspect which calls for\Nserious deliberation,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.93,0:18:05.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and which holds extraordinary\Nelegance,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.96,0:18:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that the Companion \NHisham ibn Hakeem ibn Hizam,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:11.23,0:18:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one about whom it is\Nbeing narrated
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.54,0:18:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Syedna Umar heard him reciting\Nthe Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.54,0:18:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About him, all the historians who have
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.10,0:18:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collected material about the lives of the\NCompanions,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.63,0:18:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of them agree on the fact that Hisham\Nconverted to Islam
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.26,0:18:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the day Mecca was conquered.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.16,0:18:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hisham ibn Hakeem ibn Hizam, the\Nperson who is reciting the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.96,0:18:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,converted to Islam on the day\NMecca was conquered.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.52,0:18:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This means that he converted in\Neighth Hijri year.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.88,0:18:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is what it would imply right?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.67,0:18:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now imagine for a while, that there is\Nno need for a debate
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.78,0:18:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this fact of Quran's revelation that\Nit was revealed to the Prophet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.21,0:18:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for ten years while he was in Mecca.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.00,0:18:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,More or less.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.35,0:18:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that, till the day Mecca was\Nconquered, eight more years had passed.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.55,0:19:03.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this means that there is a long\Nperiod of Quran's revelation
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.71,0:19:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has already passed.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.16,0:19:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is also well known that there\Nwas very little Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.93,0:19:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was revealed after that period.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.40,0:19:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The inherent testimony of the Quran itself\Ntells us
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.33,0:19:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much it was revealed after\NMecca was conquered.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.18,0:19:18.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that event, there would be at\Nmost one or two Surahs
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.30,0:19:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were revealed. Most of the Quran\Nhad already been revealed.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.10,0:19:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now who was Hazrat Umar?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.19,0:19:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About him too, there is no debate\Nabout when he came to Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.77,0:19:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He certainly did not convert on the\Nday Mecca was conquered.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.00,0:19:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was among one of the first few\Npeople of Mecca who converted.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:34.35,0:19:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was among those who did not\Ntravel anywhere after he converted.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.74,0:19:40.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He stayed with the Prophet (pbuh)\Nday and night.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.67,0:19:43.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He spent the Meccan era with\Nthe Prophet (pbuh),
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.45,0:19:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he migrated to Medina with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.41,0:19:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He used to be with the Prophet (pbuh)\Nin such a way that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.25,0:19:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,historians relate that the situation was\Nsuch that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.25,0:19:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people would say, the Prophet (pbuh) had\Ncome along with Abu Bakr and Umar.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.85,0:19:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Prophet (pbuh) had come along with\NAbu Bakr and Umar, always.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.98,0:20:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, he was a Companion of the\NProphet (pbuh) and such a close one too.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.51,0:20:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was present in all the battles,\Nhe heard all the Friday sermons,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.59,0:20:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he heard the Prophet's (pbuh)\Ncall to embrace Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.65,0:20:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was among the Huffaaz \N(memorizers of the Quran),
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.40,0:20:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he learnt the Quran from the\NProphet (pbuh) himself.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.06,0:20:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He read the Quran. This was his\Nextraordinary station.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.06,0:20:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Syedna Umar is not some\Ncommon man.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.36,0:20:23.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So can it be accepted that Quran was\Nbeing revealed in more than one Qirat,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:23.19,0:20:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it did not come to Umar's knowledge\Nfor eighteen years?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.42,0:20:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Eighteen years is not a small period\Nof time.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.02,0:20:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would mean that if he would not have\Nprayed Salat behind Hisham ibn Hakeem,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.43,0:20:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if two more years would\Nhave passed,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.86,0:20:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then suddenly fifteen more people could\Nhave claimed that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:40.10,0:20:43.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Prophet (pbuh) was teaching us the\NQuran in secret on a different Qirat.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.14,0:20:46.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And is the Quran something to\Nbe taught in secret?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.91,0:20:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoever will read the Quran will know\Nthat it is not a book
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.89,0:20:56.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a writer is writing it while sitting\Nin isolation.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.53,0:20:59.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The situation with the Quran is that\Nthose Surahs are being read
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.67,0:21:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before its addressees.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.53,0:21:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So debates are being held about those\NSurahs, questions are raised about them,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.85,0:21:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of these things are happening\Nconstantly.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.47,0:21:09.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if it was stated that in the Meccan\Nperiod itself
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.66,0:21:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one Qirat was revealed at one point of\Ntime and another at a different time,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.12,0:21:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alright, we will hold our tongue\Nabout it for sometime.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.25,0:21:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this narration itself is telling us\Nthat for eighteen years,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.47,0:21:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even Syeda Umar did not know\Nof it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.24,0:21:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if Syedna Umar did not come to\Nknow of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.99,0:21:24.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when and where did this whole incident\Ntake place?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.09,0:21:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where exactly did that revelation\Ntake place then?
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.95,0:21:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On a rational plain, this narration\Nis so improbable,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.19,0:21:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it cannot be accepted under\Nany circumstances.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.29,0:21:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either one has to believe that\NSyedna Umar did not hear of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.29,0:21:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the one listening to the recitation\Nby Hisham was not Syedna Umar.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.28,0:21:39.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either one has to believe this.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.41,0:21:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or you would have to believe that\NSyedna Umar also converted that very day.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:43.21,0:21:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at all the narrations about\Nthe recitations of the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.58,0:21:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of them go back to Syedna Umar\Nhimself!
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.64,0:21:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, he is among the great Ulama\Nof the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.28,0:21:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a Companion of the Prophet (pbuh)\Nday and night.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.25,0:21:58.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has been granted the great honor of\Nbeing buried next to the Prophet (pbuh).
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.77,0:22:01.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what is this incident that has\Noccurred?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.77,0:22:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it mean exactly?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.25,0:22:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What impression does the narrator of\Nthis report intend to convey?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.25,0:22:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does he want to say that the Prophet\N(pbuh) used to teach the Quran
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.25,0:22:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to some people separately in secret with a\Ndifferent recitation?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.03,0:22:21.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And neither Abu Bakr, nor Umar,\Nnor any other people found out about it?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.33,0:22:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it mean to say that Umar\Ndid not know of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.95,0:22:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It means that he never heard the\NProphet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.63,0:22:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recite the Quran in a different way\Nin the Friday sermons,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:29.66,0:22:32.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor did he see him read it differently\Nduring the prayers.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.58,0:22:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what it would mean right?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:34.20,0:22:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Syedna Umar is one who used to\Nread behind the Prophet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.93,0:22:40.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day and night. And we know about the\NProphet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.05,0:22:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he would recite the Quran\Nfor a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.71,0:22:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreover, he was one of those Companions\Nwho would join the Prophet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.42,0:22:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during Tahajjud prayers!
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.04,0:22:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Taa'ifatum minallazina ma'ak'.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.99,0:22:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During which the Prophet (pbub) would\Nrecite approximately the entire Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.54,0:22:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is also among those Companions whom\Nthe Prophet (pbuh) would often call
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.75,0:22:55.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to listen to and to recite the Quran.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.82,0:22:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this incident does not make sense\Nin any way.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.19,0:23:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Only if someone closes his eyes to\Nthe truth of the matter,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.09,0:23:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can he possibly come to believe it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.73,0:23:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it cannot be taken to make\Nsense otherwise.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.56,0:23:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence I have written about it here,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.68,0:23:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fourthly, it is known that Hisham had\Naccepted Islam
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.68,0:23:21.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the day Mecca was conquered.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.85,0:23:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is on page number thirty one.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.72,0:23:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fourthly, it is known that Hisham had\Naccepted Islam
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.01,0:23:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the day Mecca was conquered.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.18,0:23:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence if this Hadith is accepted, it would\Nmean that even after the conquest of Mecca
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.24,0:23:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, for 18 years, the illustrious\NCompanions of the Prophet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.69,0:23:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even a close associate like Umar\Nwas unaware of the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.46,0:23:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Prophet (pbuh) secretly taught\Nthe Quran in some other form and reading
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.84,0:23:57.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the one openly heard from him for\Nabout twenty years
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.100,0:24:01.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and preserved it in writing and in memory\Naccording to his guidance.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.50,0:24:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Quran was being heard all the\Ntime, was being recited,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.50,0:24:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has been read out loud\Nduring prayers,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.17,0:24:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its preservation has always been\Nensured properly.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.27,0:24:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is this whole chronicle on the\None hand,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.06,0:24:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on the other hand is\Nthis Hadith narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.21,0:24:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every person can realize how grave\Nthis claim is
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.39,0:24:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how far reaching\Nits affects are.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.12,0:24:28.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The outcome of this can be\Nimagined by every intelligent person.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:28.56,0:24:32.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence this narration, about the Quran\Nbeing revealed
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.74,0:24:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Seven Ahruf (Seven ways),
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.80,0:24:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cannot be acceptable in\Nany sense of the term.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.64,0:24:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is logically flawed, it is\Nmeaningless from a scholarly view,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.64,0:24:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is no circumstance\Nin which it can be accepted.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.88,0:24:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be akin to saying that with\Nregards to the narrations,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.84,0:24:50.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we decide that if its chain of\Ntransmission is reliable,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.57,0:24:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it should be seen as an\Nauthentic report.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.36,0:24:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then just like Suyuti we acknowledge\Nthat only Allah knows its meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.44,0:24:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is that one position where one can\Nmake peace with this narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.80,0:25:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if one tries to determine its\Nmeaning,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.72,0:25:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then after that one would have to\Nlet go of the entire religious tradition.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:07.35,0:25:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For then one would have to accept\Nthat nothing remains in it anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.71,0:25:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because if Syedna Umar did not know\Neven after twenty years
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.52,0:25:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Quran was being revealed in\Nanother recitation as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.94,0:25:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then how can we rely on anyone\Nelse's knowledge at all?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.23,0:25:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is there to believe at all then?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.88,0:25:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even he was not aware. And as I\Nsaid, if two more years had passed
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.88,0:25:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there wouldn't have been anyone\Ngoing to the Prophet (pbuh) to ask!
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.88,0:25:30.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What has happened right now is that\Nthe narration tells us
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.77,0:25:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Umar took Hashim to the\NProphet (pbuh).
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.91,0:25:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you can listen to this as well\Nwith bated breath.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.72,0:25:41.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This narration which I have taken,\Nsince it relates to Syedna Umar
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.55,0:25:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore I have taken this\Nas the topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.49,0:25:47.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise this same narration about\Nmultiple recitations,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.34,0:25:52.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,becomes even more preposterous with\Nrespect to another Companion.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.76,0:25:57.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That narration says that when\NHazrat Ubay Bin Ka'ab
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.42,0:26:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saw a similar incident before him,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.58,0:26:03.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,naturally when this would be seen to\Nbe happening after 19 or 20 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.85,0:26:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would happen?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.20,0:26:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he too went to the Prophet (pbuh)\Nin a similarly agitated manner.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.60,0:26:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he asked the Prophet (pbuh)\Nabout what this is.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.25,0:26:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is what he should have\Nasked too.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.56,0:26:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because for twenty years I was\Nreading the Quran in a certain way,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.63,0:26:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but some person is reading the Quran\Nin a different manner.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:23.63,0:26:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Prophet (pbuh) told him,\Nthe Quran was revealed thus.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.35,0:26:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just like it says in this narration too.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.84,0:26:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He told them both that it was\Nrevealed thus.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.18,0:26:33.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he said that 'I felt I have\Nlost my faith'.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.69,0:26:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The narration says that 'I felt that\NI am no longer a believer'.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.37,0:26:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can imagine his condition\Nyourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.80,0:26:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So after that the Prophet (pbuh)\Ntouched my chest and I was cured.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.64,0:26:48.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it was imperative to\Ncure him,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.33,0:26:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and without a healing touch, our\Nminds wouldn't believe that miracle.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.64,0:26:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no other way to\Nplay it out.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.64,0:26:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no other option, and the\Nreason for that is
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.96,0:26:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this situation gives rise to such\Na delicate question,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.21,0:27:01.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that after that question, only that\Naction should have followed,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.97,0:27:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has been narrated in\Nthat report.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:03.57,0:27:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One figures from this that the people \Nwho have written this narration,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.78,0:27:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they themselves realized what\Nwould follow as a consequence.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.75,0:27:12.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they have provided a cure for it\Nin this other narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.75,0:27:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That if your faith too comes under\Ndoubt, you can know that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.78,0:27:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will be only by the Prophet's (pbuh)\Ntouch.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:19.24,0:27:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no other way for it to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.75,0:27:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because one cannot convince oneself\Nbased on reason and rationality.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.06,0:27:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reaction of Syedna Umar too\Nwhich has been mentioned here
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.76,0:27:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is similarly grave and extreme.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.11,0:27:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this narration, he says it\Nwas difficult for him,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:30.89,0:27:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you were to believe the tradition,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.53,0:27:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he says he finished his prayers with\Nmuch difficulty,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.09,0:27:37.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then he dragged Hashim to\Nthe Prophet (pbuh).
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.98,0:27:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a way saying, come with me,\NI will teach you a lesson.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.63,0:27:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just imagine for a while, it has\Nbeen twenty years,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.90,0:27:44.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it is the Quran after all.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.91,0:27:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If someone had said to Syedna Umar,\Nand it has happened,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.10,0:27:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that for instance some people said\Nto Syedna Umar,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.46,0:27:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Prophet (pbuh) had said that\Nif you go to visit someone at their house,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.20,0:27:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you knock there three times,\Nbut you get no response,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:57.57,0:27:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then turn around and come back.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.62,0:28:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Umar investigated this, because this\Nis a statement
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.02,0:28:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which can be said to anyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.23,0:28:07.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is something which can be told\Nto one person as advice.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.14,0:28:09.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A person like Syedna Umar can be\Nunaware of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.72,0:28:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That does not go against reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.52,0:28:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One statement related to etiquette\Nthe Prophet (pbuh) told to someone,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.20,0:28:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Umar did not hear about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.71,0:28:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even in that the reaction he had,\Nit is said that he ordered the man,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.01,0:28:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bring a second witness otherwise\NI will teach you a lesson.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.25,0:28:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because you people relate such\Nreports, then bring another witness.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.25,0:28:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in this he reacted, although one\Ncannot rationally object to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.29,0:28:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for it is possible it could have\Nhappened.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.56,0:28:33.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many such things that\Ncould occur.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.09,0:28:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance I have told you something\Nand no one else hears of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:35.96,0:28:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it is related to general etiquette.\NBut the Quran!
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.99,0:28:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That Quran about which it says itself\Nthat the Prophet (pbuh)
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.38,0:28:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,took the trouble to convey each and every\Nword of it to the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.89,0:28:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was being recited, it was being\Nconveyed, it was being read aloud.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.16,0:28:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this narration tells us that for\Ntwenty years he was unaware of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.71,0:28:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who? Umar was not aware of it!
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.23,0:29:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if Umar was not aware of it, then\Nkeep these recitations at your home.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.44,0:29:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ones that Umar was unaware of,\Nfor twenty years!
Dialogue: 0,0:29:04.96,0:29:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So no thread of this narration is\Ncorrect.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.61,0:29:12.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In every sense, it is an unacceptable\Nopinion to hold.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.38,0:29:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After that, I have written that same is\Nthe case of the narratives,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.55,0:29:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,similar is the case of the narratives
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.22,0:29:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which in the time of the Caliphs Abu Bakr\Nand Uthman,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.42,0:29:29.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,record the collection and arrangement of\Nthe Quran in the books of Hadith.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.78,0:29:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you go to this chapter in the books\Nof Hadith,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:33.92,0:29:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you will see that the way this narration\Nis utterly opposed to reason,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.52,0:29:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it goes against all knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.53,0:29:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to go against reason and knowledge\Ndoes not mean
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.53,0:29:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it is against the knowledge\Nof Einstein.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.58,0:29:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is against the common sense, which\NGod has given to every human being,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.58,0:29:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in light of which we believe in\Nthe religion of Allah, Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.88,0:29:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This narration is akin to saying that for\Ntwenty three years
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.88,0:29:59.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Prophet (pbuh) taught about\Nprophethood,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:59.74,0:30:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of a sudden, after twenty three\Nyears Umar found out that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.43,0:30:04.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God have mercy, he was teaching\Nabout idolatry!
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.83,0:30:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This narration creates a similar\Noutrageous kind of situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:08.41,0:30:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a scenario of this kind which we\Nhave seen in this narration,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.07,0:30:14.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly the same situation is of those\Nnarrations too
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.86,0:30:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which the account of the compilation\Nand arrangement of Quran is given.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.83,0:30:21.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran is being recited day and night,\Nit is being memorized by the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.23,0:30:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Quran is being read in\Nprayers.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.29,0:30:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the one hand we see the Quran\Nis making a claim
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.35,0:30:28.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that O Prophet, you need not\Nworry at all,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:28.48,0:30:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for We will compile the entire Quran\Nand the situations you are unaware of,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.83,0:30:37.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, the Prophet was receiving the\NQuran is his own time and age,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.85,0:30:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the other situations God\Nknows very well.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:39.50,0:30:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So accordingly We will give it to\Nyou again with another recitation.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.25,0:30:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after arranging it, the second\Nrecitation is the one you have to follow.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.06,0:30:49.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of this the Quran has stated itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:49.49,0:30:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Compiling it, ordering and arranging it.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:51.45,0:30:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact it even says that if there is\Na question you still have about this,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.45,0:30:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is still a doubt you have\Nnot understood,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.86,0:31:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then We will clarify that for\Nyou as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.60,0:31:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what the Quran is telling us.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.88,0:31:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is just what history\Nalso tells us,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.15,0:31:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there was only one recitation\Naccording to which
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.59,0:31:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Abu Bakr read the Quran, and Umar\Nand Uthman did too.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.03,0:31:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have already studied all\Nthis in the previous session.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.86,0:31:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of this can be seen. After that\Nwhat suddenly happens is,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.07,0:31:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the work of compiling and\Narranging the Quran is being done,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.64,0:31:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but sometimes a verse is misplaced\Nand can't be found,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.69,0:31:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or some Surah is missing and that\Nis being searched.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.90,0:31:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes two or four went missing.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.72,0:31:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was the story that we confront \Nafter this.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.98,0:31:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then, in the time of Syedna Uthman,\Nthere is this same story again.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.18,0:31:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same is the case of the narratives\Nwhich
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.16,0:31:35.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the time of the caliphs Abu Bakr\Nand Uthman,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:35.11,0:31:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,record the collection and arrangement of\Nthe Quran in the books of Hadith.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.11,0:31:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These narrations too...
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.17,0:31:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well the implication of the \Nusage of this word is that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.30,0:31:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has come through different chains.\NOtherwise the narration is the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.30,0:31:52.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually the narration is the same\Nin its substance.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.20,0:31:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it is just one same narration, and\NI have not done any debate about it here.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.86,0:31:58.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason for that is that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:58.25,0:32:00.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would come under the topic of\Ncompilation and arrangement of the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.98,0:32:02.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I am only discussing about\Nthe recitations of the Quran here.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.90,0:32:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise I would have shown you\Nthat it is word for word the same one.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.90,0:32:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those things are found in its\Nvery text, the same as in this narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:10.01,0:32:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you can try your best to explain\Nit by saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.34,0:32:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is a difference of pronunciation\Nand dialect,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.15,0:32:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the very text of the narration is\Ntelling us that that cannot be the case.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.26,0:32:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same is the situation with\Nthe other narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.46,0:32:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As mentioned in the beginning of this\Ndiscussion, the Quran specifies clearly
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.70,0:32:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it was arranged and collected\Nunder the direct guidance of Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.98,0:32:31.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh).
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.89,0:32:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in this regard, there is no need to\Neven turn to any historical narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.61,0:32:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quran itself makes it very clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.94,0:32:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has told us, it has made\Nit absolutely clear,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.94,0:32:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that We will recite the entire Quran\Nfor you,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.09,0:32:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you will read the Quran\Naccording to that recitation,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.30,0:32:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its compilation and the second\Nreading, that is Our responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.50,0:32:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, if there is a need to further\Nelaborate and explain anything,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.82,0:32:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that too will be our responsibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.28,0:33:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Student] If this narration has been\Nunder question,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:04.54,0:33:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why didn't the scholars simply\Nreject it then?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.02,0:33:11.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Let it remain, how is it\Nbothering you?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:11.27,0:33:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is enough that we have\Ncritiqued it.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.26,0:33:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As mentioned in the beginning of\Nthis discussion,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.73,0:33:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Quran specifies clearly that it was\Narranged and collected
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.84,0:33:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) \Nunder the direct guidance of Allah.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.96,0:33:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other hand, these narratives\Npresent an entirely different picture
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.30,0:33:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not only against the Quran\Nbut also against common sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.80,0:33:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In 'si'aah',
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.76,0:33:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Si'aah' means the six canonical books\Nof Hadith,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.76,0:33:46.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are considered the most reliable\Nones based on their chain of transmission.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.15,0:33:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The principles which the scholars of the\Nscience of Hadith have laid down
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.15,0:33:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to evaluate the chain of transmission,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.19,0:33:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on those the books of Hadith\Nwhich are available to us today,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.19,0:33:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not one or two but are\Ndozens of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.00,0:34:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But out of them, six books have the\Nstature of credibility,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.00,0:34:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for most of the narrations in them\Nare reliable.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.52,0:34:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in Bukhari and Muslim collections,\Nthere are very few narrations
Dialogue: 0,0:34:09.02,0:34:11.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about which one can debate the credibility\Nof their chain of transmission.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.73,0:34:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Otherwise usually, they are reliable\Nas far as their Isnaads go.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.36,0:34:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore those books are\Ncalled 'si'aah'.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.10,0:34:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the six canonical books this particular\Nnarrative as well as the other narrations,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.06,0:34:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the six canonical books they\Nare primarily recorded
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.28,0:34:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the authority of Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.97,0:34:29.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are the few words about the\Nchain of transmission of the narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.35,0:34:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know about this chain that even if it\Nmight have begun with Umar or Abu Bakr,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.64,0:34:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the question is how did it reach us?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:40.17,0:34:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.08,0:34:43.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean according to the Muhaddisiin\N(Hadith experts).
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.43,0:34:46.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to the Muhaddisiin, it is\Nnot an objectionable narration.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.75,0:34:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They accept the authority of Ibn\NShihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:49.57,0:34:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am going to talk about him now,\Nand the Muhaddisiin say about him
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.12,0:34:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he is ameer-ul-momineen fil hadith\N(chief of Muslims in hadith).
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.02,0:34:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But listen to a few things\Nabout him.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.93,0:35:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the six canonical books, these\Nnarrations are primarily recorded
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.96,0:35:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the authority of Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.50,0:35:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, he is the one who has\Nnarrated them, really.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.06,0:35:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you were to compile all the\Nchains of transmissions,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.96,0:35:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then they are the actual reliable\Nones. The only authentic ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.38,0:35:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are some other chains of\Ntransmissions as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.10,0:35:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in the primary canonical texts, they\Nhave come from him.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:15.72,0:35:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes? Yes, those are the reports\Nwhich have come down from him.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:19.05,0:35:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the six canonical books, these\Nnarrations are primarily recorded
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.28,0:35:23.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the authority of Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.31,0:35:25.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scholars of rijaal, the people who are
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.81,0:35:29.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authorities on the research\Nregarding rijaal (Narrators),
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.39,0:35:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all fully concur on the fact that\NIbn Shihab al-Zuhri
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.39,0:35:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is guilty of two things for certain.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.13,0:35:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One is tadlis (hiding mistakes) and the\Nother is idraaj (interpolation).
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.98,0:35:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tadlis is a terminology of the\Nscience of Hadith.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.83,0:35:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tadlis means that the one who\Nis narrating,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.75,0:35:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hides a link in the chain of transmission,\Ni.e. a name of one person, in the report.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.01,0:35:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the chain of transmission, he does not\Nwant to mention the authority of someone.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.59,0:36:03.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that link in the chain is mentioned, it\Nmight create some issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.69,0:36:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is called tadlis.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.18,0:36:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is something that calls for\Nstrong condemnation.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.18,0:36:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are narrating a report, so you must \Nsay from whom you have heard it.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.19,0:36:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there is an opportunity that someone\Nin the chain will be removed, then he is.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.98,0:36:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What does it mean to say\N'if there is an opportunity'?
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.94,0:36:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, these two people are\Ncontemporaries of each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.19,0:36:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have actually gotten this narration\Nfrom this person.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.25,0:36:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he has gotten it from this\Nother person.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:32.13,0:36:37.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But since I knew that people will object\Nto the authority of the first person,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.77,0:36:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I related the narration,\NI say I got it from him instead.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.08,0:36:45.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now it is not so easy to catch this\Ndeception.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.53,0:36:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason for that is, all of us\Nare contemporaries.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:50.02,0:36:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is proof of my meeting\Nwith both these gentlemen.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.20,0:36:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one would think that alright,\Nit is fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.74,0:36:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The narration is correct, there can't\Nbe a break in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.29,0:37:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is just one example, but it\Nhappens in many different ways too.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:06.78,0:37:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. So doing this is naturally a crime.\NBut it occurs in many other forms.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.20,0:37:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have only told you this as an\Nexample, that the narrator is concealed.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:14.68,0:37:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For instance, Hazrat Imam Malik in\Nhis al-Muwatta,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:20.46,0:37:26.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,related at some places that the narration\NI am doing is 'amman assiku-hu'.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.70,0:37:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is, I am referring to the authority\Nof someone who I consider trustworthy.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.86,0:37:34.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has said this himself. There are\Nmany narrations in
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.70,0:37:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,al-Muwatta of Imam Malik, in which\Nhe has said 'amman assikuhu'.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.61,0:37:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now when Imam Malike says\N'amman assikuhu',
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.60,0:37:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then of course many people of\Nsubsequent generations
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.11,0:37:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted to see who that\Nnarrator was.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.80,0:37:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that 'amman assikuhu' in al-Muwatta\Nof Imam Malik
Dialogue: 0,0:37:50.82,0:37:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,refers to Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri\Nninety nine percent of the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.25,0:37:58.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now this is not something over which\Nthere is any need to investigate.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.33,0:38:02.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because for all those narrations, we know\Nfrom their other chains of transmissions
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.33,0:38:05.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through other sources, and the latter\NMuhaddisiin have mentioned them.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.36,0:38:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imam Malik's 'Amman assikuhu' is\Nreferring to Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri usually.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.36,0:38:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, what Imam Malik sometimes\Ndoes is that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.69,0:38:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he removes the narrators in the middle\Nof the chain,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.75,0:38:16.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after that he would relate it\Non the authority of the original source.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.81,0:38:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That he heard it directly from so and so.\NThis is called 'balaaghaat-e Imam Malik'.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.31,0:38:22.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in that he does not convey the entire\Nchain of narration,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.62,0:38:24.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but rather removes one or two\Npeople from the middle.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.55,0:38:27.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreover, in his time since this\Nscience hadn't been fully established,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.83,0:38:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this was not considered\Nobjectionable.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:29.89,0:38:32.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So leave it aside. Because back then\Npeople used to think
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.69,0:38:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a statement has reached them\Nand they have related it.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.23,0:38:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This can be placed in the category of \Nhaving an 'opitimistic view' of someone.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.23,0:38:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But phrase 'amman assikuhu'\Nitself is telling us
Dialogue: 0,0:38:43.23,0:38:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that others object to it but he\Nhimself did not.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.01,0:38:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this truth will be revealed\Nto you soon enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:50.01,0:38:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the 6 Hadith books they are recorded\Non the authority of Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.39,0:38:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these narrations, so the ones\Nabout the compilation of the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.18,0:38:58.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as these ones have in reality\Ncome from him.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.31,0:39:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I will tell you the truth of this\N'in reality' that I have said as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.96,0:39:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When an absurd narration such as this\None comes from somewhere,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.18,0:39:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then to legitimize it, a lot of chains of\Ntransmissions are invented.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:06.93,0:39:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that is a separate debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.60,0:39:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So actually they come on the authority of\NIbn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.65,0:39:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Authorities of rijaal regard him to be\Nguilty of tadlis.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.50,0:39:16.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tadlis I have already explained to you.\NLet us also see what idraaj means.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.23,0:39:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both of these terms, usually one\Nreads in the books of rijaal
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.09,0:39:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that so and so used to do tadlis, or\Nsomeone else did idraaj,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.32,0:39:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the reader thinks tadlis must be a\Ngreat thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.88,0:39:28.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because after all it used to\Nbe acceptable.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.75,0:39:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But tadlis is in fact worthy of\Ngreat condemnation.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.11,0:39:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even about tadlis some people keep\Nan optimistic view,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.32,0:39:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the experts of the science\Nof Hadith,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:36.97,0:39:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that since this science was not\Nestablished in that time,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.91,0:39:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it is possible that the narrator was\Nnot removed from the middle
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.62,0:39:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with any bad intention.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.34,0:39:46.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is fine, this can be said.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.17,0:39:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But nevertheless, why was someone\Nremoved at all?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.06,0:39:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was the reason? This question\Nremains right?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.08,0:39:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if the narration that is being\Nrelated, is this one,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.23,0:39:55.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that creates a lot of issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:57.32,0:40:00.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is one aspect. The meaning\Nof idraaj is,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.31,0:40:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suppose I am narrating a tradition.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.89,0:40:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started relating a statement of\Nthe Prophet (pbuh).
Dialogue: 0,0:40:08.58,0:40:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In between I added my own words.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.22,0:40:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or added some explanation.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:16.04,0:40:20.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I did not specify if the Prophet\N(pbuh) had said it or I am saying it.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.88,0:40:28.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, I got part of a narration from\Nhim, and then from him,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.27,0:40:30.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some parts from a third and\Na fourth person.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:30.77,0:40:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now the science of Hadith requires\Nthat whatever I have gotten from him,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.77,0:40:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should specify it. And then specify\Nwhat I got from the second person.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.91,0:40:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then again relate the part I\Ngot from the third person separately.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:43.40,0:40:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when I am relating a narration,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.36,0:40:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am not talking about the issues\Nwhich arise about it today.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.27,0:40:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today we talk from the standpoint\Nof meaning.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.01,0:40:51.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when I am narrating a Hadith\Nabout the Prophet (pbuh),
Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.35,0:40:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would mention all this right?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.94,0:40:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would tell that I got this part of the\Nnarration from so and so person,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.60,0:40:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this much from a second person.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.29,0:41:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Imam Zuhri did not follow\Nthis protocal. Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.90,0:41:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What he evidently does is that he\Nwould combine narrations of 4 people
Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.90,0:41:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and make a story out of it and then\Nrelate it.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.17,0:41:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, a very evident example of this\Nis Hadith al-ifk in Bukhari.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:14.39,0:41:20.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The infamous incident about Syeda Ayesha\Nthat she was subject to an accusation
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.07,0:41:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Quran then clarified the\Nincident.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.69,0:41:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That narration also comes from\NIbn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.73,0:41:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this accusation against\NSyeda is also related by him.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.94,0:41:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you open Bukhari, you'll find that\Nthis narration starts like this...
Dialogue: 0,0:41:32.54,0:41:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he is saying that I heard from so\Nand so,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.68,0:41:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I left something from the first\Nnarration, added something to the second,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.54,0:41:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and bringing it all together I am\Nrelating this narration to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.53,0:41:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the actual words in\Nthe text.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.51,0:41:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he is stating his 'idraaj' himself.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.71,0:41:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way it is mentioned in the Quran\Nabout the Prophet (pbuh),
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.16,0:41:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he told one of his wives a secret and\Nshe did not keep the secret.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.80,0:41:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he reprimanded her a little and then\Ndid not share the whole secret with her.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:55.42,0:41:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a very laudable thing in that\Nsituation, but here,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.65,0:42:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are you narrating?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:01.12,0:42:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The story you are making up would\Ncompletely change the events as a result.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:05.42,0:42:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You must relate all four reports\Nseparately first.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.09,0:42:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And only after that you can give\Nit a comprehensive form.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.51,0:42:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we will have a way to investigate\Nwhat you have added into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.51,0:42:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are the various ways of\Ndoing idraaj.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.34,0:42:24.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Authorities of rijaal concur on the fact\Nthat he was guilty of tadlis and idraaj.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.05,0:42:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The scholars of rijaal, the authorites of\Nthe science of rijaal,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.91,0:42:30.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Zuhri is their ameer-ul- momineen fil\Nhadith as well,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.61,0:42:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and simultaneously they hold him guilty\Nof these two acts too.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:35.09,0:42:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no dispute about this,\Nevery single person concurs with this.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.39,0:42:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No one defends it. And defense is what\NI already told you.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.99,0:42:45.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That he is from among the learned\Nmen of that era,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:45.27,0:42:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about whom it is better to hold\Na favorable opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.98,0:42:49.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because the science of Hadith\Nhadn't been born yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.14,0:42:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alright, let us accept this reasoning\Nfor a while
Dialogue: 0,0:42:52.53,0:42:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and look upon it favorably since in that\Ntime, the methodology hasn't established
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.90,0:42:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people used to convey such narration\Nwithout proper regard.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.56,0:43:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let us accept it. But what he narrates\Nis always of this nature. Why so?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.40,0:43:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Be it is the absurd, illogical account\Nof the accusation on Syeda Ayesha,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.56,0:43:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or this narration regarding the Quran,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.93,0:43:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or whether it was about the Prophet (pbuh)\Non his deathbed,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.08,0:43:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking for a sheet of paper, and the reply\Nof Syedna Umar Farooq,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.41,0:43:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'God's refuge! God have mercy!\NHe seems to be in delirium'.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:19.52,0:43:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why are there always these kinds\Nof narrations by him?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:21.73,0:43:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri. And why doesn't\Nanyone else relate such things?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.29,0:43:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we look at any narration, there\Nis either Hazrat Umar being reproached,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.28,0:43:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Syeda Ayesha is being accused.\NWhat is the reason for this?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.22,0:43:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the question and I have placed\Nit before you.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.75,0:43:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Authorities of rijaal regard him to be\Nguilty of tadlis and idraaj.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.22,0:43:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes?
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.49,0:43:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Authorities of rijaal mean the\Nscholars
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.49,0:43:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who study and investigate the narrators\Nin a Hadith's chain of transmission.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.08,0:43:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They tell you who that person was,\Ncan he be considered trustworthy,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:53.52,0:43:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what was the reliance over his\Nmemory, they study all this.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.10,0:43:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an extraordinary discipline.\NSomething we Muslims can take pride in.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.37,0:44:02.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,See nothing is devoid of flaws, but it is\Nan esteemed science,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.31,0:44:04.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a lot of work has been done\Nin this.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:04.33,0:44:08.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To determine the life conditions of\N32,000 people, to convey them,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.73,0:44:13.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then to investigate them as\Nfar as possible, is an immense task.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.82,0:44:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is one thing. This is something\Nwhich the Muhaddisiin state themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.82,0:44:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The authorities of rijaal state this\Nthemselves
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.94,0:44:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he was guilty of both tadlis\Nand idraaj.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.76,0:44:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both of these things have been\Nestablished about him.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.01,0:44:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This debate, the one about tadlis\Nand idraaj,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.26,0:44:31.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you want to read it in\Ngreat detail,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:31.97,0:44:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course most of these are\Nin Arabic language,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:35.01,0:44:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the books of rijaal which\Nare of a very specialized nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.27,0:44:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in which the method of debate\Nis also very technical and specialized,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:43.37,0:44:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so a common man does not find it\Neasy to read them.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:46.18,0:44:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But two people have done extraordinary\Ndebates about these.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:49.80,0:44:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First are the scholars who have written\Nabout hadith al-ifk in our times,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.98,0:44:56.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among them is Hakeem Niaz Sahab too\Nwho has a book as well
Dialogue: 0,0:44:56.100,0:44:58.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the incident of Ifk (slander\Nagainst Ayesha).
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.33,0:44:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are other scholars too\Nwho have written about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:59.61,0:45:01.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So naturally he had to address\Nthe whole debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.49,0:45:04.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he has collected a lot of material\Nabout it.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:04.15,0:45:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the second, and a lot of\Npeople would know about it,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:08.15,0:45:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a great esteemed scholar\Nfrom our Punjab itself,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.15,0:45:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has written a great book entitled\NRuhama'u Baynahum.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.15,0:45:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is about the interpersonal relations\Nof the Companions.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:19.62,0:45:22.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has written about that.\NUsually, since in the later eras,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.75,0:45:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the discord among them became the\Nmain subject of discourse,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:25.71,0:45:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so he has focused on their relations.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:27.40,0:45:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in that, since most of the narrations\Nabout the Companions
Dialogue: 0,0:45:31.40,0:45:33.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are the basis of reproach against\Nthem, come from him only,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.100,0:45:37.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so Maulana Muhammad Nafe' also\Nwrote three or four volumes
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.01,0:45:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Ruhama'u Baynahum, in which he has\Ndone a very refined discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.49,0:45:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.93,0:45:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if anyone wants to read about it in\Nmore detail, you can refer to those books.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.70,0:45:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes Tamanna Imadi also has a whole\Nbook, but who will read him?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:49.32,0:45:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The issue with Tamanna Imadi is that\Nhe is a great researcher,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.29,0:45:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a highly esteemed person, but it seems\Nthat there is a junkyard of information,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.29,0:45:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of ideas and thoughts, of critique\Nand analysis,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.85,0:46:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which he has dumped onto\Nsome pages.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:00.92,0:46:03.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now it is your tenacity whether you\Ncan manage to comprehend it.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.63,0:46:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is no style of composition,\Nof compilation or order to be found in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:07.63,0:46:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it is quite difficult to read.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.09,0:46:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes? No his book is in Urdu.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.33,0:46:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is why I said that the ones who\Nwant to read in Urdu, they can.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:17.67,0:46:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Along with this, so it is a given\Nthat both of these things are there.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.22,0:46:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tadlees and idraaj are a given.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.14,0:46:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no dispute about them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:24.92,0:46:28.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Besides these, if some other facets of\Nhis personality are kept in consideration,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:28.35,0:46:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are referred to by Imam al-Layth ibn\NSa'd in his letter to Imam Malik,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:34.48,0:46:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then none of the narratives reported by\Nhim regarding such important issues
Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.09,0:46:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be seen as acceptable.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.03,0:46:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imam al-Layth ibn Sa'd himself is an\NImam of the same stature as Imam Malik.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.81,0:46:49.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is among the most esteemed scholars.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.17,0:46:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imam al-Layth ibn Sa'd wrote a letter to\NImam Malik,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:53.17,0:46:56.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has been archived in our\Nhistorical records.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:56.11,0:46:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And here I have cited it as well, you\Ncan see the whole letter yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.43,0:47:02.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is available written in his own hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.33,0:47:05.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that, he has commented upon\NZuhri as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:05.82,0:47:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it seems that since Imam Malik\Ntrusted Zuhri,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.14,0:47:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Imam al-Layth ibn Sa'd used to\Ncriticize him.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:13.14,0:47:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So because of this, Imam Malik\Nused to be unhappy with Sa'd.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.80,0:47:19.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this letter has been written\Nin the backdrop of this entire context.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.30,0:47:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have excerpted a part of the letter\Nhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.86,0:47:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the letter of Imam al-Layth\Nibn Sa'd,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:25.78,0:47:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the book is I'lamul Muqayin,\Nwritten by Ibn-e-Qayyim.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:30.46,0:47:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two pronunciations of this book title\Nare correct,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.34,0:47:37.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'lamul Muqayin and I'lamul\NMuwaqi'in.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:37.34,0:47:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason for that is I'qaa and\Ntau'qee are synonyms,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.54,0:47:43.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which mean mul'himeen.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.30,0:47:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the book by Ibn-e Qayyim.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:47.36,0:47:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In its third volume, on page numbers\N84 and 85, this whole letter is copied.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.36,0:47:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now see what he writes.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.51,0:47:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He says about Ibn Shihab, that I do not\Nconsider him worthy of consideration.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:58.36,0:48:00.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not accept anything that he says.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.31,0:48:03.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he says to Imam Malik\Nthat this distresses you,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.08,0:48:06.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this attitude of mine. And I will\Ntell you the reason for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.35,0:48:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the reason he gives is, 'wakaana\Nyakoon min Ibn Shihab
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.86,0:48:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ikhtilaf katheer iza laqeenahu.'
Dialogue: 0,0:48:11.76,0:48:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we would meet Ibn Shihab, there arose\Na difference of opinion in many issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:16.30,0:48:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that is no big deal.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.71,0:48:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He then says, 'wa iza kaatabahu baazuna\Nfarubamaa katabaa alayhi fi l shayl
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.28,0:48:26.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wahid ala fazil raai'hi wa ilmihi\Nbisalasaati anwa yanquzu
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.64,0:48:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,baazahu baaza.'
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.86,0:48:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that era, knowledge comprised\Nof collecting these narrations.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:33.28,0:48:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he says that when any one of us would\Nask him in writing about some issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:38.24,0:48:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in spite of being so learned, and he\Ncertainly was a learned scholar,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:42.24,0:48:46.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would give three very different\Nanswers to the same question,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.24,0:48:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,each of which would negate\Nthe other.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:48.79,0:48:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if I asked something he would give\None answer,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.97,0:48:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if someone else asks the same thing\Nhe would give another answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.98,0:48:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And by a different answer I mean\Nthe Hadith narrations.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.62,0:48:59.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he would give one narration to someone\Nand another to someone else.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:59.45,0:49:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was his response.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:01.24,0:49:03.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he says that the situation\Nwas that
Dialogue: 0,0:49:03.38,0:49:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'wala yashiro billazii maza min raa'i\Nfi zalik.'
Dialogue: 0,0:49:05.71,0:49:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what opinion and statement he had\Ngiven prior to that,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:08.72,0:49:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what he had told us earlier,\Nhe would not even be aware of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:12.72,0:49:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was the situation. Then he writes\N'fahaaz alladi yadooni ila tarki ma'an
Dialogue: 0,0:49:16.54,0:49:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tartu tarki-iyaa.'
Dialogue: 0,0:49:18.29,0:49:21.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is because of these things that I had\Nleft him,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:21.02,0:49:22.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something which you did not like.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.73,0:49:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This issue with him, is actually the cause\Nof me leaving him.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:28.01,0:49:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now in the contemporary times,\Nthe books about Shia Rijaal are known too,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:34.62,0:49:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earlier there weren't many that\Nwe knew about,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:36.88,0:49:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this too you must know that\NShias consider him as one of their Imams.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.59,0:49:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The way we consider him as our\Nameer-ul-momineen fil hadith,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:45.32,0:49:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he is one of their Imams of Hadith too.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.34,0:49:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this session comes to an end.\NI think time is up?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.98,0:49:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now there is a half hour break.