0:00:05.840,0:00:07.310 Hello. 0:00:12.080,0:00:15.130 The two of us are starting 0:00:15.130,0:00:19.620 a level on a side-effect[br]or side-project or whatever, 0:00:19.620,0:00:22.680 something which [br]is loosely connected to Wikidata, 0:00:22.680,0:00:25.200 which is open data 0:00:25.200,0:00:28.170 and we're glad to see you're here. 0:00:28.170,0:00:29.260 I'm Alice Wiegand. 0:00:29.260,0:00:34.350 I'm the project lead for open data[br]in the municipality of Düsseldorf, 0:00:34.910,0:00:38.840 and this is Knut Huhne, who is a student. 0:00:38.840,0:00:40.400 You may introduce yourself. 0:00:42.170,0:00:44.002 Yeah, I'm a software developer by day, 0:00:44.002,0:00:47.260 and in my spare time[br]I do a lot of work at Code for Germany, 0:00:47.260,0:00:50.350 which is in community organization[br]that I'll talk a bit about, 0:00:50.350,0:00:54.270 and we try to build civic tech tools [br]based on open data. 0:00:54.270,0:00:57.170 Yeah, that's exactly what we need. 0:00:57.170,0:01:01.660 And so let's see where we are [on this]. 0:01:03.330,0:01:06.820 [inaudible] 0:01:06.820,0:01:09.150 So if we talk about open government data, 0:01:09.150,0:01:11.280 this is something where I think 0:01:11.910,0:01:15.480 the entire world is much more forward 0:01:15.480,0:01:18.970 than Europe and especially Germany is. 0:01:18.970,0:01:22.950 But in Germany,[br]where we both come from and live, 0:01:22.970,0:01:27.730 this is getting some dynamics [br]because laws are changing. 0:01:27.730,0:01:32.970 And overall, we have just data[br]which is used, produced, 0:01:32.970,0:01:35.510 and cared 0:01:35.510,0:01:40.180 and maintained by government, 0:01:41.060,0:01:44.170 which is just a reliable data source, 0:01:44.170,0:01:48.350 and it's official data with a high value, 0:01:48.350,0:01:51.460 and it is sometimes [br]really surprising to see 0:01:51.460,0:01:55.970 what kind of data there is,[br]openly kind of published. 0:01:55.970,0:01:59.770 So this is, for example... 0:02:00.830,0:02:02.820 I hope it opens soon. 0:02:02.820,0:02:04.970 This, for example, is... 0:02:06.510,0:02:10.480 it's the measure of radioactivity in kale. 0:02:10.480,0:02:12.820 And I think it's surprising, 0:02:12.820,0:02:16.840 I wonder why is it kale [br]and not red cabbage? 0:02:16.840,0:02:19.770 And I wonder why is this a fixed date? 0:02:19.770,0:02:23.930 You know, 20th of November in 2013. 0:02:23.930,0:02:26.730 And I wonder why is it that far away? 0:02:26.730,0:02:30.840 What are we doing [br]with radioactivity in kale today? 0:02:30.840,0:02:31.840 I don't know. 0:02:31.840,0:02:35.080 So you find a lot [br]of these surprising things 0:02:35.080,0:02:37.420 when you start to... 0:02:38.460,0:02:41.040 What have I to do, do you know? 0:02:41.040,0:02:44.880 ...when you start to [br]look at open data in Germany. 0:02:49.210,0:02:51.750 I'm confused with this computer. 0:02:51.750,0:02:53.200 Oh, yes. Thanks. 0:02:53.820,0:02:57.880 Yeah, and this data usually is up to date. 0:02:57.880,0:03:00.530 Well, it should be, of course. 0:03:00.530,0:03:05.220 As in all data, we have our gaps there. 0:03:05.220,0:03:11.980 And overall if I just look [br]on the region I know best, 0:03:11.980,0:03:16.810 we have 86 0:03:17.170,0:03:22.020 of singular portals [br]with open data within Germany, 0:03:22.020,0:03:25.330 which is on municipality level,[br]on the country level, 0:03:25.330,0:03:28.570 on the federal country level, [br]and on state level. 0:03:28.570,0:03:33.570 And in Austria, it's 19;[br]and in Switzerland, it's 6, 0:03:33.570,0:03:35.770 and numbers are growing. 0:03:35.770,0:03:38.770 So, of course, also,[br]question is why are we all doing 0:03:38.770,0:03:41.530 the same thing on different places? 0:03:42.220,0:03:45.660 It doesn't seem to be that efficient, 0:03:45.660,0:03:49.620 I'm not sure, but this is how[br]our world today works. 0:03:49.620,0:03:53.150 So now I find the right key, thanks. 0:03:54.020,0:03:59.080 And there are a lot of challenges[br]which we have to face 0:03:59.080,0:04:04.420 and kind of a huge gap [br]between wish and reality. 0:04:04.420,0:04:07.860 So, after all, I do think there is a huge, 0:04:07.860,0:04:12.930 you know, kind of [friendliness] 0:04:12.930,0:04:15.530 between open data and Wikidata. 0:04:15.530,0:04:18.110 It's all about essential data. 0:04:18.110,0:04:24.600 It is about being as actual [br]or being as up to date as possible. 0:04:24.600,0:04:29.900 But in the end, when we look[br]at the open data platforms 0:04:29.900,0:04:32.330 in mostly Europe, 0:04:32.330,0:04:35.530 we find incompatible licenses. 0:04:35.530,0:04:41.420 So usually mainly municipalities 0:04:41.420,0:04:43.663 choose a BY license, 0:04:43.663,0:04:49.240 because they think it would be good[br]to know where this data came from 0:04:49.240,0:04:51.510 and to be named there. 0:04:51.510,0:04:54.480 And this is really a crazy thing. 0:04:54.480,0:04:56.530 I looked at open data portals, 0:04:56.530,0:05:01.550 and we have a portal in Düsseldorf [br]for two years now 0:05:01.550,0:05:06.730 and by design, we choose the 0 license. 0:05:06.730,0:05:09.770 And I found that open data in Zurich-- 0:05:09.770,0:05:12.310 Okay, it's not Germany, but it's Zurich-- 0:05:12.310,0:05:15.660 and they are doing [br]a lot of cool stuff there as well. 0:05:15.660,0:05:18.521 And they also use the 0 license. 0:05:18.521,0:05:25.950 But usually municipalities[br]like CC BY licenses, sadly. 0:05:25.950,0:05:29.310 And another thing we have to face 0:05:29.310,0:05:34.800 is that, especially in municipalities,[br]this kind of task to publish 0:05:34.800,0:05:38.600 this internal data [br]on a free and open license, 0:05:38.600,0:05:40.470 on a platform, wherever, 0:05:40.470,0:05:45.240 is just given to a person [br]who usually does something else. 0:05:45.240,0:05:48.330 So it's not, you know, a 100 person task 0:05:48.330,0:05:51.006 for this person to do, 0:05:51.006,0:05:55.280 but something to do, you know,[br]with all the other things. 0:05:57.620,0:06:00.114 Overall, I think we can say 0:06:00.114,0:06:06.310 that of course there are people[br]who are really doing a great job. 0:06:06.310,0:06:11.080 Usually, we don't find [br]that level of expertise 0:06:11.080,0:06:15.060 on data analysis and data management 0:06:15.060,0:06:20.750 that we would need to[br]to really find high-quality data 0:06:20.750,0:06:24.820 within the open data [br]which comes from governances. 0:06:24.820,0:06:27.734 And I think this is a problem, 0:06:27.734,0:06:31.220 and I realized also[br]that there's a language issue. 0:06:31.220,0:06:35.420 So if I just think about [br]putting my colleagues into this room, 0:06:35.420,0:06:39.440 into the session we had just before, [br]about data quality, 0:06:40.710,0:06:43.910 it would be problematic [br]to find a common language, 0:06:43.910,0:06:48.730 to figure out how we can start[br]to improve our data quality 0:06:48.730,0:06:54.420 so that Wikidata's data quality[br]is also improved. 0:06:54.420,0:06:58.420 Another thing [br]is that we have no standards 0:06:58.420,0:07:02.040 in the name of anthologies, 0:07:02.040,0:07:06.330 in the name of how we prepare data. 0:07:06.330,0:07:09.060 There is a metadata standard,[br]which is great, 0:07:09.060,0:07:13.150 but this, after all, does not mean[br]that we all do the same thing 0:07:13.150,0:07:15.710 and that we find the same kind of data, 0:07:15.710,0:07:18.500 just because it is named in the same way. 0:07:19.130,0:07:22.110 But, overall, it's a lot of official data. 0:07:22.110,0:07:24.530 You can get from open data. 0:07:25.770,0:07:31.400 I made an example here[br]which is about street names, 0:07:31.400,0:07:34.014 and usually you find a lot 0:07:34.014,0:07:39.680 of different forms and street names. 0:07:39.680,0:07:42.570 Sometimes something like the Karlsplatz 0:07:42.570,0:07:47.310 it's written with a C, [br]or with a K, or separated, 0:07:47.310,0:07:51.335 and sometimes this is also developing 0:07:51.335,0:07:52.860 over the time. 0:07:52.860,0:07:56.700 And in the end, there's just[br]only one official name 0:07:56.700,0:07:58.950 of a place or of a street, 0:07:58.950,0:08:04.040 and it's the municipality [br]which can give you that name. 0:08:04.040,0:08:07.480 And this part, like a list[br]of official street names 0:08:07.480,0:08:10.370 is something which is regularly published 0:08:10.370,0:08:14.660 by a lot of municipalities [br]in their open data portals. 0:08:14.660,0:08:19.892 And I think that at all [br]is a good start to figure out 0:08:19.892,0:08:24.460 what we can do with this [br]in Wikidata as well. 0:08:24.460,0:08:27.450 So this is my short introduction, 0:08:27.450,0:08:32.370 and I'm happy to hear about[br]community work with open data. 0:08:34.170,0:08:37.910 Yeah, I thought I would just kind of give[br]a quick introduction from the other side, 0:08:37.910,0:08:41.080 of movement from the community side. 0:08:41.080,0:08:44.240 So, as I said, I work in my spare time 0:08:44.240,0:08:46.590 for an organization[br]called Code for Germany. 0:08:47.110,0:08:49.770 We've been running since about five years 0:08:49.770,0:08:52.440 where we have labs, [br]that is groups of people 0:08:52.440,0:08:57.250 that meet once a week,[br]some once a month in Germany 0:08:57.850,0:09:00.150 in local, what we call labs. 0:09:00.150,0:09:03.860 And we try to build tools[br]that somehow make it easier 0:09:03.860,0:09:05.930 for people to participate in politics, 0:09:05.930,0:09:08.330 to get an understanding [br]of the environment around them, 0:09:08.330,0:09:11.420 to collect data about air pollution. 0:09:11.420,0:09:14.200 And, of course, we'd like to use 0:09:14.200,0:09:17.050 governmentally provided[br]open data for that, 0:09:17.050,0:09:20.570 but we've also realized[br]that there's difficulties with that, 0:09:20.570,0:09:24.230 that sometimes the data isn't there,[br]it's under a difficult license, 0:09:24.870,0:09:29.680 which is kind of how we found our way [br]to Wikidata also, I think. 0:09:29.680,0:09:32.020 We also happened to meet in Berlin 0:09:32.020,0:09:34.170 in the offices of Wikimedia Deutschland, 0:09:34.380,0:09:38.240 so this kind of brought us[br]very close to Wikidata. 0:09:38.980,0:09:40.230 And I think it's cool to see 0:09:40.230,0:09:44.420 that we're kind of strengthening[br]the relationship 0:09:44.420,0:09:49.110 between the Wikidata community in Germany [br]and the Code for Germany community. 0:09:49.740,0:09:52.820 We also would like to work [br]even closer with the government, 0:09:52.820,0:09:54.790 but talking about bridging gaps. 0:09:54.790,0:09:59.880 I mean, there's very basic problems [br]such as us meeting after we work 0:09:59.880,0:10:03.730 and the people for the government [br]wanting to meet when they work. 0:10:04.080,0:10:08.020 So I think when we think about [br]how these communities can work together, 0:10:08.020,0:10:11.220 there's very mundane things,[br]such as working times, 0:10:11.220,0:10:13.370 that we need to keep in mind. 0:10:15.060,0:10:20.220 So just a quick introduction [br]to what we do at Code for Germany 0:10:20.220,0:10:22.460 especially with regards to Wikidata. 0:10:22.920,0:10:26.210 We've had a couple of hackathons now[br]within the last years 0:10:26.210,0:10:28.020 where people from the Wikidata community 0:10:28.020,0:10:31.480 and the Code for Germany community 0:10:31.480,0:10:33.984 kind of came together to meet 0:10:33.984,0:10:38.200 and just spend a weekend[br]to work on Wikidata. 0:10:38.200,0:10:41.040 And we've done[br]all kinds of different things. 0:10:42.020,0:10:45.040 We've usually been very interested[br]in political data, 0:10:45.040,0:10:47.370 so we've been importing a lot of data 0:10:47.370,0:10:50.570 regarding politicians [br]and regarding elections. 0:10:50.570,0:10:54.260 We've thought about how to model[br]election data in Wikidata a lot 0:10:54.260,0:10:58.880 and we've also had a lot of people[br]that built games with Wikidata. 0:10:59.400,0:11:01.340 One of the nice examples for this 0:11:01.340,0:11:04.640 would be the Wikidata card game, [br]where you can put in any Q number 0:11:04.640,0:11:07.260 and you get a nice trading card game. 0:11:07.625,0:11:08.650 You might have seen that. 0:11:08.650,0:11:11.457 If not, I encourage you to look for that. 0:11:11.457,0:11:16.090 I think that's a really cool way[br]to sell Wikidata to other people. 0:11:19.110,0:11:21.840 Selling-- this is also [br]something that we've realized 0:11:21.840,0:11:23.460 when we talk to data providers, 0:11:23.460,0:11:26.660 that often they're quite scared [br]to give data to you 0:11:26.660,0:11:28.523 with the traditional argument 0:11:28.523,0:11:32.530 of "Our data is so complicated, [br]you won't understand it, 0:11:32.530,0:11:36.240 and you'll build bad applications[br]that will make us look bad." 0:11:37.080,0:11:42.420 And our strategy usually[br]is to just take the data anyway, 0:11:42.420,0:11:46.040 build an application share it with them,[br]and then their response is usually, 0:11:46.550,0:11:49.600 "Oh, this is pretty cool. [br]Can we link to that from our website?" 0:11:50.840,0:11:52.110 And then, at some point, 0:11:52.110,0:11:54.860 maybe you can start having[br]a discussion with them. 0:11:55.880,0:11:58.480 But, yeah, I think this is kind[br]of what we can do as a community. 0:11:58.480,0:12:02.880 We can build little small games[br]and tools to showcase. 0:12:02.880,0:12:04.750 Okay, there is Wikidata,[br]and it's pretty cool, 0:12:04.750,0:12:07.570 and you have open data,[br]and we can build cool things with it, 0:12:07.570,0:12:09.280 but you'll need to give it to us, 0:12:09.280,0:12:12.440 you'll need to publish it [br]under a license that we can work with. 0:12:13.310,0:12:17.510 And this is one of the things [br]that we try to do at Code for Germany. 0:12:18.800,0:12:20.910 [inaudible], thanks. 0:12:23.310,0:12:25.360 (applause) 0:12:27.260,0:12:28.655 Yeah, thank you. 0:12:28.655,0:12:31.550 Before we open [br]the room for questions from you, 0:12:31.550,0:12:37.570 we would like to just open[br]or ask some questions to you. 0:12:38.440,0:12:40.757 I think that Knut has really described 0:12:40.757,0:12:43.627 the challenges we face quite well. 0:12:43.627,0:12:49.160 But, still, I do think there's a lot[br]of opportunities in these data, 0:12:49.160,0:12:54.750 and we just need to kind of harvest it[br]better than we do it right now. 0:12:54.750,0:12:58.840 And so my questions--[br]and maybe it helps you a bit 0:12:58.840,0:13:03.170 to think about that-- [br]is how could we integrate 0:13:03.170,0:13:07.330 more open government data [br]into Wikidata in a more structured way. 0:13:07.330,0:13:12.830 Just keeping in mind that the people [br]who are kind of providing these data 0:13:12.830,0:13:16.820 are not the experts you may expect. 0:13:16.820,0:13:18.460 And at the same time, 0:13:19.100,0:13:22.800 there already is a WikiProject, [br]open government data, 0:13:22.800,0:13:27.440 and I'm not sure if you, Christina[br]had opened it quite a while ago. 0:13:27.440,0:13:31.060 And I wonder in which way we can 0:13:31.060,0:13:37.370 kind of reanimate it [br]and make the best out of it 0:13:37.370,0:13:41.860 because we still have this place,[br]and we have people 0:13:41.860,0:13:45.400 who are engaged[br]in the municipalities, in governments, 0:13:45.400,0:13:47.605 to open up data. 0:13:47.605,0:13:50.530 And maybe it's an opportunity 0:13:50.530,0:13:55.060 to just match these different 0:13:55.060,0:13:57.820 languages and expectations. 0:13:57.820,0:14:01.460 So, yeah, I'm open[br]for any ideas to do that, 0:14:01.460,0:14:04.640 and I'm happy to engage[br]a bit in that as well. 0:14:04.640,0:14:06.730 So, questions? 0:14:10.680,0:14:12.510 (person 1) Hi, thank you, guys. 0:14:12.510,0:14:14.888 Maybe an idea is one 0:14:14.888,0:14:17.550 we could be taking[br]from the Wikipedia beginnings, 0:14:17.550,0:14:19.620 where I think it was Matthias Schindler, 0:14:19.620,0:14:22.020 who started[br]with his Content Liberation Army. 0:14:22.540,0:14:25.910 And the idea that,[br]you know, you have to really go in, 0:14:25.910,0:14:28.950 and the data is there. 0:14:28.950,0:14:31.609 But for example, [br]I had a project with a student 0:14:31.609,0:14:32.694 where we were looking 0:14:32.694,0:14:35.330 at where the trees[br]are geolocated in Berlin, 0:14:35.330,0:14:39.310 and this is sometimes on paper,[br]it's sometimes on a stupid database. 0:14:39.310,0:14:41.750 We were accused of being terrorists 0:14:41.750,0:14:44.460 by the people who didn't want[br]to give us the data. 0:14:44.460,0:14:48.800 We had to get really, really [br]picky about this and point to the laws 0:14:48.800,0:14:52.040 saying, "This is open data, [br]and you have to give it to us." 0:14:52.040,0:14:55.840 but we have to sort of go in friendly,[br]as you were saying 0:14:55.840,0:14:58.550 and try and explain to them[br]what they will have from it. 0:14:58.550,0:15:01.170 Many of them don't see[br]that they have a use of it 0:15:01.170,0:15:03.820 because it's more work for them[br]having to deal with us. 0:15:03.820,0:15:07.510 I think that's one[br]of the main kind of fears 0:15:07.510,0:15:12.645 which is there are coming people[br]who are just putting more work onto us. 0:15:12.645,0:15:17.080 And at the same time,[br]there's so little understanding 0:15:17.080,0:15:20.910 that this is just part[br]of what they are doing already. 0:15:20.910,0:15:25.260 And that they can really also 0:15:25.260,0:15:28.040 learn and get a lot of input 0:15:28.040,0:15:30.660 from the people [br]who are asking about that data. 0:15:30.660,0:15:32.550 But this is really culture change, 0:15:32.550,0:15:35.570 a cultural change [br]especially here in Germany. 0:15:35.570,0:15:38.840 So we are working on it. 0:15:38.840,0:15:43.330 We are working hard,[br]but it's really kind of a tough thing. 0:15:43.330,0:15:44.820 - Maybe I can add? [br]- Yes. 0:15:44.820,0:15:46.642 I think what's also [br]really interesting to see 0:15:46.642,0:15:47.962 from the community's perspective 0:15:47.962,0:15:49.700 is that when we talk to different cities, 0:15:49.700,0:15:52.060 it so depends on who happens[br]to work in the cities. 0:15:52.060,0:15:54.440 Like we have this very small city of Moers 0:15:54.440,0:15:55.913 that is very unknown, 0:15:55.913,0:15:58.411 but if you talk to people[br]in the open data community, 0:15:58.411,0:15:59.870 everyone will know it 0:15:59.870,0:16:03.820 because they happen to pay someone[br]to do work on open data. 0:16:05.080,0:16:08.150 And when I talk to people[br]from the government in Berlin, 0:16:08.150,0:16:12.442 they tell me, "Okay, I now know[br]I have to publish open data, 0:16:12.442,0:16:17.040 but I don't know how, for whom, or why. 0:16:18.560,0:16:20.770 And I think this is actually 0:16:24.450,0:16:27.750 a chance for the smaller cities[br]to kind of champion this idea 0:16:27.750,0:16:29.930 because it's so much easier for them 0:16:29.930,0:16:33.170 to kind of get a movement [br]and to liberate some data 0:16:33.170,0:16:36.550 where if we talk in Berlin,[br]we always need to talk to 12 districts, 0:16:36.550,0:16:39.150 and they'll never align [br]on what data they want to publish. 0:16:47.005,0:16:48.617 (person 2) And we have a remote comment 0:16:48.617,0:16:50.150 from Beat Estermann 0:16:50.150,0:16:54.120 who wants to point out[br]he has some links in Etherpad 0:16:54.120,0:16:57.620 about "Interest in open government data [br]helps Swiss authorities 0:16:57.620,0:17:00.950 prioritize base registers[br]and controlled vocabularies." 0:17:00.950,0:17:02.950 And I'm told he just came in 0:17:02.950,0:17:05.280 while I'm reading his Etherpad entry. 0:17:05.890,0:17:09.170 So if you could just take the mic from me. 0:17:11.700,0:17:13.170 (person 2) Go on. 0:17:13.470,0:17:15.260 (Beat) Okay, thank you. 0:17:15.510,0:17:17.680 I missed the first introduction. 0:17:19.150,0:17:20.460 What did you start on? 0:17:20.460,0:17:23.220 - (person 2) I was just reading--[br]- (Beat) Oh, you were reading. Okay. 0:17:23.220,0:17:26.150 So we're currently running-- 0:17:26.150,0:17:28.820 In Switzerland, we're running a survey 0:17:30.640,0:17:35.640 to kind of prioritize data[br]from within the government. 0:17:35.640,0:17:39.710 There are like base registers[br]or controlled vocabularies. 0:17:39.710,0:17:42.544 Because we think [br]that they would be crucial 0:17:42.544,0:17:46.480 to actually promote and boost [br]the publication of linked open data 0:17:46.480,0:17:48.280 across the public authorities, 0:17:48.280,0:17:51.240 so we're running a server [br]to prioritize them. 0:17:51.610,0:17:56.730 And for some authorities [br]to know which ones to publish now 0:17:56.730,0:17:58.220 and for others-- 0:17:59.000,0:18:01.850 for the community to know [br]where to put pressure on 0:18:01.860,0:18:03.390 and how to actually, 0:18:04.550,0:18:07.220 yeah, argue why they should publish it. 0:18:07.220,0:18:09.620 We're also collecting use cases. 0:18:09.620,0:18:13.480 I posted the link to the Etherpad. 0:18:13.480,0:18:17.060 It's in German and French only,[br]the questionnaires. 0:18:17.060,0:18:20.130 I'm sorry we're still not like up 0:18:20.130,0:18:23.620 five language count here,[br]but you said four languages- 0:18:24.085,0:18:25.550 (person 3) Just switch to English. 0:18:25.550,0:18:28.050 (Beat) Yeah, we could switch[br]to English, right. 0:18:29.710,0:18:31.800 Yeah, so that's one point. 0:18:31.800,0:18:34.400 The other point I think is we could... 0:18:35.510,0:18:37.860 and I'll put a little bit more love 0:18:37.860,0:18:41.910 into kind of documenting[br]the whole Wiki project, 0:18:42.810,0:18:44.080 open common data, 0:18:44.080,0:18:47.130 and that's something[br]we're not really doing 0:18:47.130,0:18:50.680 if you compare it [br]to what is going on in GLAM. 0:18:53.310,0:18:55.820 I think that is definitely something 0:18:55.820,0:18:59.680 which I probably will try to figure out 0:18:59.680,0:19:03.660 after my vacation time, 0:19:03.660,0:19:07.350 which is starting on Monday. 0:19:08.110,0:19:11.147 There is this WikiProject, 0:19:11.147,0:19:15.010 and we need to figure out[br]who is interested in it 0:19:15.430,0:19:17.750 what can we do there, 0:19:17.750,0:19:20.660 and how can we motivate people 0:19:20.660,0:19:25.310 from kind of [out] the Wikidata community 0:19:25.310,0:19:28.970 to add this important information to that. 0:19:28.970,0:19:32.040 So I do think there is a huge opportunity 0:19:32.470,0:19:36.423 to figure out how we can include 0:19:36.423,0:19:42.710 more of this really, really valuable [br]and reliable data into Wikidata. 0:19:42.710,0:19:46.330 But overall, there's a lot[br]of challenges as well, 0:19:46.330,0:19:52.060 and still it's kind of[br]a different crowd of people, 0:19:52.060,0:19:55.310 and we need to figure out[br]how to bring them together. 0:19:58.070,0:19:59.600 Any idea is welcome. 0:19:59.600,0:20:01.080 (Beat) Yeah, there is another point 0:20:01.080,0:20:02.805 which we're currently not focusing on 0:20:02.805,0:20:05.760 with this base register[br]and vocabulary thing. 0:20:05.760,0:20:08.930 But what I have had as a request 0:20:08.930,0:20:11.510 is to be able [br]to actually store tabular data 0:20:11.510,0:20:14.480 and to be able to pull it. 0:20:14.910,0:20:16.930 Because it does not make sense 0:20:16.930,0:20:21.950 to put like 200 years [br]of population statistics from Zurich 0:20:21.950,0:20:25.640 into that Wikidata item for Zurich. 0:20:27.880,0:20:33.770 Maybe I just pick it up [br]and just an anecdote from my day work. 0:20:33.770,0:20:38.400 So I started to introduce Wikidata[br]to my colleagues. 0:20:38.400,0:20:41.080 We are a small team doing open data, 0:20:41.080,0:20:47.060 and it was fine, [br]and they were really, really interested, 0:20:47.060,0:20:53.110 but in the end we started [br]to add some of the population dates, 0:20:53.110,0:20:56.460 and then, you know, there isn't any order. 0:20:56.460,0:21:01.600 So it's so hard to figure out [br]if you find a population date 0:21:01.600,0:21:06.820 for year Y or X or something,[br]and if it is still missing. 0:21:06.820,0:21:11.018 So, of course,[br]there are still a lot of things 0:21:11.018,0:21:13.060 to improve in Wikidata as well, 0:21:13.060,0:21:17.400 and tabular data could be one of it also. 0:21:18.110,0:21:20.840 (person 4) [inaudible] Is it working? 0:21:20.840,0:21:23.080 I have a comment on the tabular data. 0:21:23.470,0:21:26.040 I remember we had also discussions 0:21:26.040,0:21:29.310 with a canton and the city[br]of Zurich about this, 0:21:29.310,0:21:33.050 and that it might make sense to start 0:21:33.050,0:21:37.150 discussions on whether[br]we should maybe consider 0:21:37.150,0:21:42.220 setting up a Wikibase[br]for open governmental data 0:21:42.220,0:21:46.170 and having such kind of datasets 0:21:46.170,0:21:51.080 and then link them to Wikidata[br]or link them from Wikidata to them, 0:21:51.080,0:21:55.420 because mostly [br]the linked open data technology 0:21:55.420,0:21:57.050 is actually enabling that 0:21:57.050,0:22:00.190 and is one of the key advantages [br]of this technology. 0:22:00.190,0:22:04.710 It is, of course, something [br]that doesn't relate only to OGD data, 0:22:04.710,0:22:09.080 it's a global divide [br]in the whole Wikidata community. 0:22:09.080,0:22:14.510 Because the larger we make[br]the central endpoint or the graph 0:22:15.280,0:22:19.040 the more difficult it is to handle it--[br]I think we all agree on that. 0:22:19.040,0:22:24.220 So I think there should be[br]a deeper conversation and discussion 0:22:24.220,0:22:27.550 on whether we should[br]start building this network. 0:22:27.550,0:22:30.440 Well, actually, there is already[br]a network of Wikibases. 0:22:30.440,0:22:35.550 We also work in the university[br]with publications and research data 0:22:35.550,0:22:38.020 with our own Wikibase. 0:22:39.170,0:22:43.150 Yeah, and then another comment [br]about the Wiki projects. 0:22:43.150,0:22:48.405 So we continued working[br]and documenting the materials 0:22:48.405,0:22:49.475 of the events, 0:22:49.475,0:22:52.760 so we actually now have[br]two upcoming events in November. 0:22:52.760,0:22:56.710 We have a full weekend [br]technical training on Wikidata 0:22:56.710,0:22:59.060 in collaboration [br]with the open data Zurich people 0:22:59.060,0:23:00.460 and the canton of Zurich, 0:23:00.460,0:23:04.020 and also Wikimedia Switzerland,[br]and we have a hackathon. 0:23:04.020,0:23:07.000 But I totally agree that it would be great 0:23:07.000,0:23:09.660 to start having conversations[br]with all the participants 0:23:09.670,0:23:12.060 that have been listed already[br]in the project, 0:23:12.060,0:23:13.660 and start more discussions, 0:23:13.660,0:23:17.660 especially with all the countries[br]that have many good initiatives, 0:23:17.660,0:23:20.210 like Germany, like what you described 0:23:20.210,0:23:22.440 and start documenting 0:23:22.440,0:23:25.170 what are the specific needs[br]of these institutions, 0:23:25.170,0:23:26.310 what are the problems, 0:23:26.310,0:23:29.907 and what specific tools[br]we need to develop, or procedures, 0:23:29.907,0:23:33.730 that we can help them import[br]or link data in Wikidata. 0:23:36.460,0:23:39.510 I think we're out of time.[br]One last question. 0:23:41.280,0:23:44.310 (person 5) So a proposal [br]to use Wikibase for that? 0:23:44.310,0:23:46.371 I'm not sure whether[br]that actually would solve 0:23:46.371,0:23:49.150 this tabular data problem. 0:23:49.150,0:23:53.400 And when thinking of statistical data,[br]like population data, 0:23:53.400,0:23:56.150 that is not data[br]that we want to really edit, 0:23:56.670,0:23:58.970 that's data we just want to consume. 0:23:59.840,0:24:02.950 So it means we have to ask ourselves 0:24:02.950,0:24:06.860 whether we want to build in[br]the capability to actually pull data 0:24:06.860,0:24:10.150 directly from external third-party[br]SPARQL endpoints, 0:24:10.150,0:24:14.640 and not just from[br]within this Wikibase ecosystem 0:24:14.640,0:24:16.710 that we're planning to build up as well. 0:24:16.715,0:24:19.445 (person 4) So I agree[br]that it doesn't solve the tabular data, 0:24:19.445,0:24:20.875 but what I was trying to say 0:24:20.875,0:24:23.510 is that the information[br]that is more specific, 0:24:23.510,0:24:26.620 it might be the case that we want [br]to export it to something else 0:24:26.620,0:24:32.970 and I see Wikibase also[br]as a very good data modeling example. 0:24:32.970,0:24:37.770 So not only because you want [br]to have humans editing, 0:24:37.770,0:24:42.040 but also because the whole data modeling [br]happening in Wikidata 0:24:42.040,0:24:44.130 with all the qualifiers and references 0:24:44.130,0:24:47.420 adds a lot to all the datasets. 0:24:47.420,0:24:50.460 So if we would do it from scratch in RDF 0:24:51.420,0:24:53.420 we would be missing these features 0:24:53.420,0:24:56.480 that Wikidata has, [br]and I see it has an advantage. 0:24:56.480,0:24:59.300 So that was a reason why I mentioned 0:24:59.300,0:25:01.400 that it would be very helpful[br]to maybe think of 0:25:01.400,0:25:03.950 for the Wikibases around the OGD data. 0:25:04.970,0:25:08.370 (moderator) So, I'm sorry,[br]but I think we just ran out of time, 0:25:08.370,0:25:11.150 and I encourage you[br]to keep talking with our speakers, 0:25:11.150,0:25:13.020 [inaudible] during all the conference 0:25:13.020,0:25:15.370 and please, a round of applause for them. 0:25:15.370,0:25:17.150 (applause) 0:25:19.627,0:25:20.860 Thank you.