1 00:00:12,455 --> 00:00:14,471 TIM HAWKINSON: It’s something that emotes 2 00:00:14,471 --> 00:00:17,819 and it’s motorized and it is an emoter. 3 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,302 I can’t make most of these faces myself. 4 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,320 It’s using my face because  that’s readily available and 5 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,285 I have exclusive rights to my face. 6 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,420 It seemed I guess honest to just use my own face. 7 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,610 I just took my digital camera and held it out. 8 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,710 Just took a bunch of shots. 9 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,000 I took it into the developer  and he put it on a screen 10 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,920 and we Photoshopped all the features. 11 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,240 We blanked out the mouth and  the nostrils and the eyes. 12 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,280 So I had just this egghead, this, with  no features, just thinking that I’d… 13 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,080 I’d want to start with a blank face. 14 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,360 And then I’d overlay the, the features 15 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,475 and the other three kind of donor photographs. 16 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,120 The brain of the piece, or the driver, 17 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,520 is just picking up the light and  dark patterns on the television 18 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,200 and there are nineteen of these little suction 19 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,600 cups that have little light  sensitive switches in them. 20 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,040 So when a certain area of the screen is dark, 21 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,800 it triggers these different mechanisms. 22 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,028 It actually triggers a motor in the face. 23 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Sometimes the manipulations are very slight, 24 00:01:54,851 --> 00:01:58,182 Depending just on what’s  coming through the TV channel. 25 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:06,093 When there’s a sporting event with lots of  activity, the face can be pretty emotional. 26 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,040 I use my image or my body in a lot  of the work as a jumping-off point, 27 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,760 but usually the end result  is so abstracted that I… 28 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,483 I don’t really feel so  identified with it any longer. 29 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:40,480 It’s not about my identity, but it’s  about our identity and our experiences 30 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:46,668 within our bodies and our bodies’  relationship to the external world. 31 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Sometimes we do get rain in L.A., 32 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,520 and a lot of us aren’t really prepared for rain. 33 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,840 So it was really great, just  walking into the studio one time, 34 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,940 and there were buckets around,  all catching the, the drips. 35 00:03:47,118 --> 00:03:49,616 It just had a great sound in the space. 36 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,569 So I was interested in using  dripping water in some way. 37 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,080 And I didn’t want just random drips, I  wanted something that you could dance to. 38 00:04:03,171 --> 00:04:05,000 Something kind of choreographed-sounding. 39 00:04:05,863 --> 00:04:11,512 So I ended up making this I guess it’s  sort of– it’s sort of a drumming machine. 40 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:21,290 The signal is sent from the mechanism  over here to, to this cable. 41 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,016 To the different valves. 42 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,522 And then the water is collected in these buckets. 43 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:36,123 So I put in these little pie tins which create  sort of a resonator, really give a nice loud drip. 44 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,800 The signal originates with these gears. 45 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,295 Each gear has a little knob on it, a little bump. 46 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,780 Each gear also is paired up with a switch. 47 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,576 Different switches come in contact with the  bump on the gear and give it a different pulse. 48 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,840 It’s not even electronics.  I don’t know what it is. 49 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,668 It’s wiring, I think what it  is is just making circuits. 50 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,360 The copper tape represents  all the different possible 51 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,477 permutations of three combinations of gears. 52 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:24,080 Some of these pieces have become a little more  complex and they’re trying to do more things. 53 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:29,240 And then it’s sent through,  I think this cylinder here. 54 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Those are the main aspects of the work that  end up having problems and breaking down. 55 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,401 So, maybe I need to go back to school  or actually take a course in it. 56 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,000 I was just thinking of this sort of creature 57 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,960 that’s allowed to grow in  a zero gravity environment. 58 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,837 And now it’s being hung out to dry. 59 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,280 This form kind of grew out as a three-dimensional  kind of expansion out of some drawings 60 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,120 that I was working on. 61 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,134 Actually using a drill to spin a pencil around. 62 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,640 You can see that the pencil  lead was spinning around. 63 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,040 And I was able to open and close  the diameter of the spin while 64 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,800 it was in motion. And so I was able to 65 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,819 create drawings that were almost kind  of reminiscent of intestines or worms. 66 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,292 There’s a certain freshness in a drawing where 67 00:07:34,292 --> 00:07:36,433 you’re seeing something for the first time and, 68 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,000 so in my work I, I tried to  maintain some of that freshness 69 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,360 and keep shifting what it is that  I’m looking at to see it differently 70 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,320 or creating a different  process of looking at something 71 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,505 that gives me a new kind of interpretation. 72 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,160 I don’t use preliminary drawings  for pieces. I, well maybe I, 73 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:11,000 I can’t think that far in advance and really  visualize the piece in a finished state. 74 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,475 I find it much freer to go right  in and start making the piece. 75 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,816 I just said that I never make preliminary studies 76 00:08:18,816 --> 00:08:23,644 or anything but I did make models of balloons. 77 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,600 That process involved being  approached by MASS MOCA 78 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,396 and they wondered what I would do with a space  79 00:08:31,396 --> 00:08:33,396 that was basically the size of a football field. 80 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,247 I just came up with this  idea of using inflatables. 81 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:43,320 I think I was just a little nervous about  filling fifteen thousand square feet, 82 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,480 I didn’t want to get caught short handed. 83 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,337 So I felt much better seeing  these little models in the space. 84 00:08:51,245 --> 00:08:54,080 It was going to have a real  strong physical presence, 85 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,395 but I felt like it needed to  also have this audible component. 86 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,078 There was a great moment when it  was finally up and, and playing. 87 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,826 For me it was just like hearing the first horn. 88 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,600 I was really concerned that we  would have enough air pressure 89 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,760 to activate the reeds to really  get a good tone out of them 90 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,475 but that we wouldn’t like pop any balloons. 91 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,960 Something that large really does have to be under 92 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:40,220 a tremendous amount of air pressure to  get, you know, a sound out of a reed. 93 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,172 I used fishing net and tailored  that around the balloons 94 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,216 and I was able to further  define and cinch them in. 95 00:09:53,465 --> 00:09:57,844 It was neat—it really was a quick way  of controlling a huge amount of volume. 96 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,040 MASS MOCA was one big long kind of narrow space. 97 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,800 The gallery in New York was  divided into like six rooms: 98 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,935 one gigantic room and slightly smaller  rooms. 99 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,080 I was afraid that the sound quality might be lost, 100 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,334 but in the end I was really happy with the sound. 101 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,240 Each whatever note this is just  plays one on the Uberorgan… 102 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:21,560 There was a time when he made folk  musical instruments for instance. 103 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:29,640 He took banjo lessons and that was, he  was probably about 12 or something. 104 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,480 I’ve been interested in music  for most of my life I guess. 105 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,200 At one point I thought maybe I  would be a musical instrument maker. 106 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,200 I’d made a, a mandolin and a guitar. 107 00:11:46,635 --> 00:11:50,680 The keyboard consists basically  of these photosensitive switches. 108 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:56,080 So by covering one of the switches, blocking  out the light, you’d trigger one of the notes. 109 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,334 So you can stop it at a blank space and play  it like a piano. 110 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:11,680 It’s all based on a score that I put  together using lots of old church hymns 111 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:15,201 and Sailor’s Hornpipe and Swan Lake. 112 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,400 So I grew up hearing these old Protestant hymns, 113 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,760 and some of them are really beautiful  and they have strong connotations, 114 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:38,134 and also, you know, reflect faith.