WEBVTT 00:00:00.030 --> 00:00:05.129 when you eat your body wants to store 00:00:02.370 --> 00:00:06.960 food energy because food Energy's coming 00:00:05.129 --> 00:00:09.689 in you should store it for a time that 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:13.230 you don't have it and when you are not 00:00:09.689 --> 00:00:15.029 eating then insulin falls and you simply 00:00:13.230 --> 00:00:16.859 take that food energy that you store it 00:00:15.029 --> 00:00:18.570 and you burn it and that's why you don't 00:00:16.859 --> 00:00:20.039 die in your sleep like every single 00:00:18.570 --> 00:00:22.560 night you don't have to eat muffins 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:25.679 every two hours to survive like it's 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:28.500 okay so if you think about it now we're 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:30.960 eating sort of ten times a day instead 00:00:28.500 --> 00:00:34.670 of three times a day so 10 times a day 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:37.649 we're telling our bodies to store fat 00:00:34.670 --> 00:00:39.210 it's like store fast or fast or fast or 00:00:37.649 --> 00:00:41.549 fat and that's like I wonder why I'm so 00:00:39.210 --> 00:00:44.160 fat it's like because you keep telling 00:00:41.549 --> 00:00:46.649 your body do that and if you want to 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:48.029 burn fat then you gotta tell it to stop 00:00:46.649 --> 00:00:49.920 burning fat and again it's a hormonal 00:00:48.030 --> 00:00:51.929 signal it's not a caloric signal it's a 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:54.030 hormonal signal you got to let that 00:00:51.929 --> 00:00:56.460 insulin fall because it's when the 00:00:54.030 --> 00:00:58.230 enzyme fall that the body's gonna start 00:00:56.460 --> 00:01:00.600 burning the glycogen I'm gonna start 00:00:58.229 --> 00:01:03.358 burning the body fat if you keep your 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:05.640 insulin high then you'll never do it 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.170 because insulin is the signal to to go 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:09.209 high and this is the promo type-2 00:01:07.170 --> 00:01:11.430 diabetes because you get this insulin 00:01:09.209 --> 00:01:13.408 resistance which means too high insulin 00:01:11.430 --> 00:01:15.810 all the time so it gets harder and 00:01:13.409 --> 00:01:19.350 harder to lose weight as it goes so then 00:01:15.810 --> 00:01:20.820 as you get in sort of like 40 years in 00:01:19.349 --> 00:01:22.829 if you're 60 years old and you've been 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:24.179 gaining weight since age 20 for example 00:01:22.829 --> 00:01:25.859 you have all the senses and resistance 00:01:24.180 --> 00:01:28.110 it keeps it high even though your diet 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:30.118 may be good you have to you have to 00:01:28.109 --> 00:01:31.590 fight all those years of insulin 00:01:30.118 --> 00:01:33.629 resistance and that's why I also say 00:01:31.590 --> 00:01:36.329 that that obesity is really a 00:01:33.629 --> 00:01:38.129 time-dependent phenomenon that is the 00:01:36.328 --> 00:01:41.699 longer you have it the harder it is 00:01:38.129 --> 00:01:44.819 which the Clarke theory completely sort 00:01:41.700 --> 00:01:46.710 of ignores that is to say if you gain 10 00:01:44.819 --> 00:01:49.529 pounds from where you are right now you 00:01:46.709 --> 00:01:52.949 could lose that pretty easily yeah but 00:01:49.530 --> 00:01:55.079 if somebody is 65 it's pretty hard to 00:01:52.950 --> 00:01:57.478 lose that 10 pounds because they've 00:01:55.078 --> 00:01:59.968 always had it and it's this sort of 00:01:57.478 --> 00:02:01.739 chronic resetting upwards of this body 00:01:59.968 --> 00:02:04.769 set weight that's the problem 00:02:01.739 --> 00:02:04.769 [Music] 00:02:08.780 --> 00:02:13.229 hey my friend it's Mike muscle here 00:02:11.219 --> 00:02:15.359 thanks so much for showing up and tuning 00:02:13.229 --> 00:02:17.459 into yet another video this episode is 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.690 proudly sponsored by salami fix one of 00:02:17.459 --> 00:02:21.060 the manufacturers of the world's 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00:03:17.400 for coming back on it's great to be with 00:03:15.269 --> 00:03:19.709 you again great to be here thanks having 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:22.049 me yeah so that last interview we did it 00:03:19.709 --> 00:03:24.840 was let's see not Memorial Day I'm 00:03:22.049 --> 00:03:27.989 thinking of membranes day of 2016 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.509 oh sure you're wearing your lapel people 00:03:27.989 --> 00:03:32.549 we're asking about that in that video 00:03:29.509 --> 00:03:33.689 remember that yeah it's like early 00:03:32.549 --> 00:03:36.060 November there's a whole week 00:03:33.689 --> 00:03:37.949 remembrance week oh yeah yeah yeah papi 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:39.360 the punk people are asking like what's 00:03:37.949 --> 00:03:41.458 up with that flower and so we didn't 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:43.769 talk about that so anyway ah yeah okay 00:03:41.459 --> 00:03:44.759 almost eighteen months ago and I was 00:03:43.769 --> 00:03:46.260 looking through the comments or 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.849 thousands of comments cuz there's such 00:03:46.259 --> 00:03:49.590 great content that you shared and people 00:03:47.849 --> 00:03:51.209 were curious or they one of the top 00:03:49.590 --> 00:03:53.729 comments that would keep coming up was 00:03:51.209 --> 00:03:55.680 did this doctor really just say that the 00:03:53.729 --> 00:03:57.359 calories in calories out model does not 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.650 govern whether someone loses weight or 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:00.690 gains weight and so we're talking 00:03:58.650 --> 00:04:02.610 offline how there's really no receptors 00:04:00.689 --> 00:04:04.139 for calories in their body yeah and this 00:04:02.610 --> 00:04:05.970 is the thing that's very strange routine 00:04:04.139 --> 00:04:07.949 so you take a concept from physics so 00:04:05.969 --> 00:04:09.569 what calories is is that they take a 00:04:07.949 --> 00:04:11.310 piece of steak or whatever and they 00:04:09.569 --> 00:04:13.439 basically burn it and see how much 00:04:11.310 --> 00:04:15.329 energy it is so you can determine how 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:17.219 many calories are in a steak and a piece 00:04:15.329 --> 00:04:18.720 of broccoli or a piece of wood for that 00:04:17.220 --> 00:04:20.190 matter so you just burn it and see how 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.430 much physical energy there 00:04:20.189 --> 00:04:25.199 so the body has no receptors it doesn't 00:04:23.430 --> 00:04:26.819 measure calories it has no idea how many 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:29.909 calories you eat so if you eat a piece 00:04:26.819 --> 00:04:31.800 of wood it might have 10,000 calories 00:04:29.910 --> 00:04:33.420 but you're not gonna absorb any of it 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.740 because it goes straight through you if 00:04:33.420 --> 00:04:37.170 you eat steak 00:04:34.740 --> 00:04:39.870 if you it's it's going to have a certain 00:04:37.170 --> 00:04:41.520 number of calories if you if you drink 00:04:39.870 --> 00:04:42.930 Cola it's gonna have a certain number of 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.789 calories if you don't drink diet cola 00:04:42.930 --> 00:04:46.259 it's gonna have zero calories but the 00:04:44.790 --> 00:04:49.110 body doesn't actually know that because 00:04:46.259 --> 00:04:51.209 it has no way of measuring it so it has 00:04:49.110 --> 00:04:52.560 no way of responding to it so why would 00:04:51.209 --> 00:04:54.269 we think that this is a sort of an 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:56.970 important concept and the only reason we 00:04:54.269 --> 00:04:59.449 think that is because we've sort of been 00:04:56.970 --> 00:05:01.820 ingrained into us but it's a it's a 00:04:59.449 --> 00:05:05.310 concept of physics and it's not a 00:05:01.819 --> 00:05:08.099 physiologic concept if you put a hundred 00:05:05.310 --> 00:05:10.560 calories of sugar in your mouth versus a 00:05:08.100 --> 00:05:12.780 hundred calories of olive oil the 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:14.759 physiologic response is completely and 00:05:12.779 --> 00:05:17.009 utterly different so you put that oil 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:19.349 into your mouth and drink it down for 00:05:17.009 --> 00:05:21.209 example and there's no insulin response 00:05:19.350 --> 00:05:23.340 for example you eat a brownie which is 00:05:21.209 --> 00:05:26.659 the same number of calories and insulin 00:05:23.339 --> 00:05:28.649 spikes way up so the body responds to 00:05:26.660 --> 00:05:30.780 hormones I mean everything runs on 00:05:28.649 --> 00:05:32.699 hormones thyroid hormone insulin all 00:05:30.779 --> 00:05:35.729 these different hormones and that's how 00:05:32.699 --> 00:05:38.550 it knows what to do so when it senses 00:05:35.730 --> 00:05:40.650 that you're taking in carbohydrates for 00:05:38.550 --> 00:05:42.389 example then insulin will go up if it 00:05:40.649 --> 00:05:44.310 senses that protein is coming in insulin 00:05:42.389 --> 00:05:46.560 will go up as well as well as something 00:05:44.310 --> 00:05:48.149 like mTOR so there's different receptors 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.339 for amino acids there's different 00:05:48.149 --> 00:05:52.799 receptors for fat there's different 00:05:50.339 --> 00:05:55.829 receptors so the fat for example you'll 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:57.300 have cholecystokinin release if you need 00:05:55.829 --> 00:05:59.099 a lot of fibrous foods you'll have 00:05:57.300 --> 00:06:00.629 stretch receptors in your stomach which 00:05:59.100 --> 00:06:02.010 are activated so there are all these 00:06:00.629 --> 00:06:04.379 different things that the body does 00:06:02.009 --> 00:06:06.750 respond to but calories is not one of 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:09.750 them so therefore it really has no idea 00:06:06.750 --> 00:06:12.389 you can look on all these different you 00:06:09.750 --> 00:06:14.339 know these diagrams of metabolism that 00:06:12.389 --> 00:06:17.668 we've done and you can go on google you 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:20.339 can find you know hundreds of diagrams 00:06:17.668 --> 00:06:23.399 of metabolism you see the Krebs cycle 00:06:20.339 --> 00:06:25.739 you see acetyl co a you'll see insulin 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:28.649 receptors you'll see all kinds of things 00:06:25.740 --> 00:06:32.038 amino acids fatty acids all kinds of 00:06:28.649 --> 00:06:33.539 things and in nowhere in the last sort 00:06:32.038 --> 00:06:36.990 of five hundred you 00:06:33.540 --> 00:06:39.870 of human physiology have we described 00:06:36.990 --> 00:06:43.920 the calorie receptor it doesn't exist 00:06:39.870 --> 00:06:47.189 right and so the the entire concept is 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:49.140 sort of borrowed from physics and sort 00:06:47.189 --> 00:06:52.740 of made a little bit of sense not a lot 00:06:49.139 --> 00:06:54.329 of sense but it just kept being repeated 00:06:52.740 --> 00:06:57.840 repeated repeated so people think that 00:06:54.329 --> 00:06:59.550 is true but again 100 calories of 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.889 broccoli is not the same as a hundred 00:06:59.550 --> 00:07:03.720 calories of donuts that's just the 00:07:01.889 --> 00:07:07.229 bottom line and we all try and pretend 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:08.760 that it is but it isn't and that's where 00:07:07.230 --> 00:07:11.370 we've really failed so if you believe 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:14.009 that calories is what's really important 00:07:11.370 --> 00:07:16.410 then all you need to do is switch over 00:07:14.009 --> 00:07:18.719 and drink diet soda and have that fake 00:07:16.410 --> 00:07:21.330 fat olestra that we used to have eat 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:22.740 fake food with zero calories switch and 00:07:21.329 --> 00:07:24.839 there are lots of things we've done it 00:07:22.740 --> 00:07:27.210 for sort of 30 years that I mean diet 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:29.489 cooks been around for a long time and 00:07:27.209 --> 00:07:30.989 there would be no obesity crisis but 00:07:29.490 --> 00:07:33.420 it's worse than ever so it's like okay 00:07:30.990 --> 00:07:36.870 well you know what people never really 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:39.180 get is that the bottom line is that you 00:07:36.870 --> 00:07:42.000 have to have results if you think that 00:07:39.180 --> 00:07:44.670 cutting calories is what's really 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.350 important and we've told people this is 00:07:44.670 --> 00:07:49.590 important for the last sort of 20-30 00:07:46.350 --> 00:07:51.150 years well what's happened well obesity 00:07:49.589 --> 00:07:54.060 has gone like through the roof so 00:07:51.149 --> 00:07:56.699 clearly this entire notion is completely 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:59.040 false and that's where we're getting 00:07:56.699 --> 00:08:01.620 into trouble because we're following the 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.689 wrong path we're so obsessed with 00:08:01.620 --> 00:08:06.209 calories that we forget about everything 00:08:03.689 --> 00:08:08.879 else we say yeah you can eat doughnuts 00:08:06.209 --> 00:08:10.409 for dinner because it's the same number 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:13.050 of calories as if you had that kale 00:08:10.410 --> 00:08:16.230 salad like you've got to be an idiot to 00:08:13.050 --> 00:08:18.990 think that eating doughnuts for dinner 00:08:16.230 --> 00:08:21.360 is a good idea and equally as fattening 00:08:18.990 --> 00:08:22.800 as eating kale salad there's nothing the 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:24.210 same about them the minute it goes into 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:26.790 your mouth there's nothing the same 00:08:24.209 --> 00:08:29.009 about those two foods so you got to 00:08:26.790 --> 00:08:33.179 follow the physiology rather than this 00:08:29.009 --> 00:08:35.970 sort of foreign notion of physics that 00:08:33.179 --> 00:08:38.429 we've sort of imported in I mean why 00:08:35.970 --> 00:08:40.769 don't we say for example that it's all 00:08:38.429 --> 00:08:42.389 dude the weight of food if you eat half 00:08:40.769 --> 00:08:43.519 a pound of food you will gain half a 00:08:42.389 --> 00:08:45.960 pound of weight 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:48.419 you know depends what you're eating in 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.550 the hormone response yeah exactly and I 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:52.919 mean that's the law of thermodynamics to 00:08:50.549 --> 00:08:54.750 first law of thermodynamics you can't 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:57.000 gain a pound of weight if you've only 00:08:54.750 --> 00:08:59.279 eaten a pound half a pound of food if 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:01.470 you've eaten half a pound of food you 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:03.449 must weigh half a pound more there's 00:09:01.470 --> 00:09:05.610 simply no way around it of course that's 00:09:03.450 --> 00:09:07.620 stupid because you get metabolism 00:09:05.610 --> 00:09:08.909 there's metabolism something that's 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:10.620 going to be exhaled as carbon dioxide 00:09:08.909 --> 00:09:13.159 something's gonna go through your stools 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:16.110 there's all this physiology that happens 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:18.990 when when when you go from physics to 00:09:16.110 --> 00:09:22.950 physiology but but you know the whole 00:09:18.990 --> 00:09:25.590 calories thing is just like it's just so 00:09:22.950 --> 00:09:27.960 engrained into us from like we're from 00:09:25.590 --> 00:09:29.790 the time we're like 2 years old that we 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.259 really can't let go of this notion and 00:09:29.789 --> 00:09:32.759 that's where we're really really getting 00:09:31.259 --> 00:09:34.590 into trouble yeah do you think part of 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.970 that is the food industry because people 00:09:34.590 --> 00:09:38.009 go to the grocery store buy packaged 00:09:35.970 --> 00:09:39.600 food so they look at calories and so 00:09:38.009 --> 00:09:40.799 it's like indelibly inked I mean it's 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.750 gonna take a long time for you on a 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:44.729 hundred thirty it was all driven by the 00:09:42.750 --> 00:09:46.769 food industry in my mind because it's 00:09:44.730 --> 00:09:47.970 not driven by the scientists other than 00:09:46.769 --> 00:09:51.360 know what those who have been paid off 00:09:47.970 --> 00:09:55.620 by the industry because what they want 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:58.050 to do is equate in our minds that it's 00:09:55.620 --> 00:09:59.429 all calories so that you can say you can 00:09:58.049 --> 00:10:00.899 eat doughnuts for dinner and then hey 00:09:59.429 --> 00:10:02.669 why don't you buy these doughnuts 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:04.799 there's a lot tastier than that salad 00:10:02.669 --> 00:10:06.870 you're gonna eat and if it's 200 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:09.359 calories of doughnuts and 200 calories 00:10:06.870 --> 00:10:11.789 of salmon hey same thing it's like 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.769 cheaper it tastes better just eat that 00:10:11.789 --> 00:10:16.709 doughnut and it's great so of course 00:10:13.769 --> 00:10:19.019 they they love this sort of idea and the 00:10:16.710 --> 00:10:21.240 beverage business for example it's like 00:10:19.019 --> 00:10:23.970 yeah you can drink Gatorade and then go 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:25.350 bicycle for an hour and you'll work it 00:10:23.970 --> 00:10:26.970 all off it's the same it's all 00:10:25.350 --> 00:10:29.159 equivalent when you try and make them 00:10:26.970 --> 00:10:30.750 equivalent what you don't understand is 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:32.069 that if you drink that sugary drink 00:10:30.750 --> 00:10:34.230 you're gonna get fatty liver you're 00:10:32.070 --> 00:10:35.670 gonna get insulin resistance you can 00:10:34.230 --> 00:10:37.649 exercise your muscles but you can't 00:10:35.669 --> 00:10:39.509 exercise your liver your livers dying 00:10:37.649 --> 00:10:41.850 your muscles are doing great so it's 00:10:39.509 --> 00:10:44.549 like okay well in the end you get all 00:10:41.850 --> 00:10:46.860 these athletes like Professor Tim Noakes 00:10:44.549 --> 00:10:49.529 who's running marathons to marathon 00:10:46.860 --> 00:10:52.019 after marathon and then gets type-2 00:10:49.529 --> 00:10:54.720 diabetes it's like okay well how does 00:10:52.019 --> 00:10:55.889 that work it works because the whole 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:58.560 calories notion is 00:10:55.889 --> 00:11:01.470 Falls and that's one of the things that 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.958 we have to understand yeah maybe it's 00:11:01.470 --> 00:11:04.528 you know maybe I over exaggerated a 00:11:03.958 --> 00:11:08.250 little bit 00:11:04.528 --> 00:11:10.110 for a fact but you really can't use that 00:11:08.250 --> 00:11:12.629 calories notion it's not a helpful 00:11:10.110 --> 00:11:14.700 notion and if it was we would be doing a 00:11:12.629 --> 00:11:17.189 lot better than we are sort of today 00:11:14.700 --> 00:11:19.140 mm-hmm and in the longer term at the 00:11:17.190 --> 00:11:21.870 demon illogical studies have teased this 00:11:19.139 --> 00:11:23.278 out and and reducing calories effects 00:11:21.870 --> 00:11:24.750 resting metabolic rate which I want to 00:11:23.278 --> 00:11:27.088 get into but first is two kind of two 00:11:24.750 --> 00:11:29.370 examples you know I want to talk about 00:11:27.089 --> 00:11:31.470 insulin and then also if someone is 00:11:29.370 --> 00:11:33.120 eating the right amount of 00:11:31.470 --> 00:11:35.278 macronutrients but is in a calorie 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:37.259 excess but yet it's keeping their 00:11:35.278 --> 00:11:38.519 hormones in balance so we've seen this a 00:11:37.259 --> 00:11:41.309 lot of people on the internet are doing 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:43.709 like 5,000 or 4,000 calorie a day keto 00:11:41.309 --> 00:11:45.208 you know diets and they're not gaining 00:11:43.708 --> 00:11:48.028 fat because their hormones are 00:11:45.208 --> 00:11:52.009 imbalanced so yeah how do you feel about 00:11:48.028 --> 00:11:54.120 that I think you can do it now it all 00:11:52.009 --> 00:11:57.028 depends on what happens you got to 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:58.769 realize that for most of sort of human 00:11:57.028 --> 00:12:03.240 history people didn't count calories 00:11:58.769 --> 00:12:05.549 calorie intake varies widely know nobody 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:08.100 eats sort of like 2,000 a day every 00:12:05.549 --> 00:12:09.929 single day honestly I have no idea how 00:12:08.100 --> 00:12:11.519 many calories I eat in a day and most 00:12:09.929 --> 00:12:13.379 people don't either they even if they 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.919 try and count it they're wildly 00:12:13.379 --> 00:12:19.919 inaccurate the idea is that the body 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:21.990 works as a negative feedback loop and 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:24.088 that's how we maintain stable weight so 00:12:21.990 --> 00:12:26.639 look let's go back to the 60s the 00:12:24.089 --> 00:12:28.890 sixties nobody's exercising and weight 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:32.100 is quite stable for the most part in a 00:12:28.889 --> 00:12:35.189 very good range like in a non obese or 00:12:32.100 --> 00:12:38.579 overweight sort of a range so how does 00:12:35.190 --> 00:12:40.649 that work because if you think that you 00:12:38.578 --> 00:12:44.909 can match your calorie expenditure in 00:12:40.649 --> 00:12:49.019 your intake to that degree that sort of 00:12:44.909 --> 00:12:51.929 2% of the population is obese but you're 00:12:49.019 --> 00:12:56.250 taking 2,000 calories a day in a year 00:12:51.929 --> 00:12:59.009 times 365 it's you know 70,000 calories 00:12:56.250 --> 00:13:01.980 in a year a pound of fat is roughly 00:12:59.009 --> 00:13:04.860 3,000 calories so you're matching it to 00:13:01.980 --> 00:13:07.680 less like sort of a 99.5 percent 00:13:04.860 --> 00:13:09.379 accuracy without any idea of how many 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:12.078 calories are either either 00:13:09.379 --> 00:13:15.499 spending it's like there's no way that's 00:13:12.078 --> 00:13:17.208 possible so there's obviously a negative 00:13:15.499 --> 00:13:19.099 feedback loop and what that is it's like 00:13:17.208 --> 00:13:20.748 a thermostat so a thermostat is a 00:13:19.099 --> 00:13:23.539 perfect example of a negative feedback 00:13:20.749 --> 00:13:26.178 loop so you set your temperature at say 00:13:23.538 --> 00:13:29.088 72 degrees which is room temperature if 00:13:26.178 --> 00:13:31.278 it's summer and it's hot then the the 00:13:29.089 --> 00:13:32.689 thermostat senses it's too hot and turns 00:13:31.278 --> 00:13:35.178 on the air-conditioning brings it back 00:13:32.688 --> 00:13:37.578 to 72 if it's winter and it's really 00:13:35.178 --> 00:13:38.629 cold temperatures in the house drops to 00:13:37.578 --> 00:13:41.628 69 degrees 00:13:38.629 --> 00:13:43.369 these thermostat senses that turns on 00:13:41.629 --> 00:13:44.899 the heat brings it back up so it's a 00:13:43.369 --> 00:13:47.028 negative feedback loop and that's a 00:13:44.899 --> 00:13:50.149 perfect example of homeostasis the body 00:13:47.028 --> 00:13:53.688 does exactly the same thing and there's 00:13:50.149 --> 00:13:57.109 a very similar body set way so we have a 00:13:53.688 --> 00:14:00.228 a mechanism in our body that determines 00:13:57.109 --> 00:14:02.720 how fat we get so if you get too fat 00:14:00.229 --> 00:14:04.399 you're gonna you're not going to survive 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:05.839 because you're not going to be able to 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:07.308 catch food or somebody's going to eat 00:14:05.839 --> 00:14:08.779 you if you get too skinny you're also 00:14:07.308 --> 00:14:10.458 not going to survive because you can't 00:14:08.778 --> 00:14:11.749 take it when there's no food like the 00:14:10.458 --> 00:14:14.778 wintertime there's no food you're gonna 00:14:11.749 --> 00:14:17.359 die so the body actually sets a certain 00:14:14.778 --> 00:14:19.489 set weight which is defended very 00:14:17.359 --> 00:14:21.709 vigorously actually so if you get too 00:14:19.489 --> 00:14:23.359 fat your body will actually turn on and 00:14:21.708 --> 00:14:24.978 try and burn off those calories and 00:14:23.359 --> 00:14:27.259 we've proved that through lots of 00:14:24.979 --> 00:14:30.229 studies so if you deliberately over feed 00:14:27.259 --> 00:14:32.389 people to gain 10 percent body weight 00:14:30.229 --> 00:14:35.509 they'll actually burn 500 calories per 00:14:32.389 --> 00:14:36.979 day more than if they're at their normal 00:14:35.509 --> 00:14:38.600 weight then you drop them to their 00:14:36.979 --> 00:14:41.329 normal weight and their basal metabolic 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.889 rate goes back to the same one if now 00:14:41.328 --> 00:14:44.628 you make them lose 10 percent of their 00:14:42.889 --> 00:14:47.178 body weight they're actually burning 300 00:14:44.629 --> 00:14:49.069 calories a day less than they did when 00:14:47.178 --> 00:14:51.288 they were normal weight so you see that 00:14:49.068 --> 00:14:53.478 the basal metabolic rate goes up and 00:14:51.288 --> 00:14:56.269 down depending on where it is but the 00:14:53.479 --> 00:14:57.979 body has this mechanism that if you get 00:14:56.269 --> 00:14:59.658 too fat it's going to burn it off 00:14:57.979 --> 00:15:02.139 burn off those calories so we get back 00:14:59.658 --> 00:15:04.788 to normal weight the more sort of 00:15:02.139 --> 00:15:07.129 situation we deal with more is that 00:15:04.788 --> 00:15:08.989 you're trying to lose weight then the 00:15:07.129 --> 00:15:12.079 body tries to make you gain that weight 00:15:08.989 --> 00:15:14.989 back so the key is not to look at the 00:15:12.078 --> 00:15:17.118 calories so let's take an example of the 00:15:14.989 --> 00:15:19.069 thermostat mm-hmm we know there's a 00:15:17.119 --> 00:15:21.319 there's a negative feedback loop there 00:15:19.068 --> 00:15:23.868 if you 00:15:21.318 --> 00:15:27.169 temperature of 72 degrees and it gets 00:15:23.869 --> 00:15:28.699 too hot then what's gonna happen is that 00:15:27.169 --> 00:15:31.969 the body will turn on the 00:15:28.698 --> 00:15:34.519 air-conditioning if you for example put 00:15:31.970 --> 00:15:37.009 in a bunch of heaters you can bring it 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:38.839 back up so say you're at 72 degrees and 00:15:37.009 --> 00:15:41.449 you say okay now I want to be 75 degrees 00:15:38.839 --> 00:15:43.369 but instead of changing that thermostat 00:15:41.448 --> 00:15:47.058 you just bring in a couple of heaters 00:15:43.369 --> 00:15:51.050 well that's great you go from 72 to 75 00:15:47.058 --> 00:15:53.088 then the thermostat is going to turn on 00:15:51.049 --> 00:15:55.128 the AC and then it's gonna bring it back 00:15:53.089 --> 00:15:57.230 down to 72 so you say okay well that 00:15:55.129 --> 00:15:59.178 didn't work so instead of one heater 00:15:57.230 --> 00:16:01.490 I'll bring in two heaters you bring it 00:15:59.178 --> 00:16:04.039 up to 75 it brings it back down and you 00:16:01.490 --> 00:16:06.470 keep fighting yourself that's exactly 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:09.110 what we do with our body so we have a 00:16:06.470 --> 00:16:10.759 say say our body set weight is 200 00:16:09.110 --> 00:16:11.829 pounds we don't want to be 200 pounds we 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.300 want to be a hundred and eighty pounds 00:16:11.828 --> 00:16:18.469 so you lose weight you count your 00:16:14.299 --> 00:16:20.958 calories you lose weight go down to 180 00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:23.600 and what does the body do well the body 00:16:20.958 --> 00:16:26.239 makes you hungry and then it slows down 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:29.120 your metabolism in an effort to get back 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:31.490 up to the 200 pounds so then you say 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.839 okay well now you know I've got a lot of 00:16:31.490 --> 00:16:35.240 willpower so I'm gonna cut my calories 00:16:32.839 --> 00:16:37.399 even further so you cut your calories 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:39.169 further and what happens the body makes 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.299 you hungrier and it slows down your 00:16:39.169 --> 00:16:43.549 metabolic rate even more so you're 00:16:41.299 --> 00:16:46.039 constantly fighting yourself rather than 00:16:43.549 --> 00:16:47.748 adjusting that body set wait so it's not 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.789 about calories it's about this body's 00:16:47.749 --> 00:16:52.579 that way because the way it worked is 00:16:49.789 --> 00:16:55.789 that insulin is going to make you gain 00:16:52.578 --> 00:16:57.979 fat but if your fat cells expand to a 00:16:55.789 --> 00:17:01.519 certain point they're going to generate 00:16:57.980 --> 00:17:05.480 leptin so leptin goes into the brain and 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:09.439 it says hey we're too fat and turns down 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:11.929 the appetite right down okay so as your 00:17:09.439 --> 00:17:14.449 appetite goes down you don't eat if you 00:17:11.929 --> 00:17:17.059 don't eat insulin goes down so perfect 00:17:14.449 --> 00:17:18.318 here is your negative feedback loop hi 00:17:17.058 --> 00:17:19.638 there it's me 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00:18:25.730 --> 00:18:30.319 eat 50 percent carbs 55 to 60 percent 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:32.210 carbs right if they're eating broccoli 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:34.059 you're good but if you're eating white 00:18:32.210 --> 00:18:36.079 bread and you should see the original 00:18:34.059 --> 00:18:39.079 Dietary Guidelines they're all white 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:40.369 bread and you know spaghetti yeah and so 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:42.230 you're supposed to eat that five or six 00:18:40.369 --> 00:18:44.989 times a day so insulin is going through 00:18:42.230 --> 00:18:46.759 the roof but not just that but people 00:18:44.990 --> 00:18:49.910 went from eating three times a day to 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:52.519 six times a day that wasn't in the 00:18:49.910 --> 00:18:53.960 guidelines but that did happen so now 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.879 you're stimula every time you eat 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:58.700 assuming you eat a mixed meal 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:00.650 you're gonna stimulate insulin assuming 00:18:58.700 --> 00:19:03.319 you have some carbs some proteins on fat 00:19:00.650 --> 00:19:05.360 yeah you're gonna stimulate insulin so 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:08.649 not only are you stimulated insulin more 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:12.319 you're stimulating it all the time so 00:19:08.650 --> 00:19:13.910 what happens is that if you stimulate 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:17.779 insulin all the time you get insulin 00:19:13.910 --> 00:19:20.720 resistance your fat cells get big it 00:19:17.779 --> 00:19:22.369 turns on leptin leptin if you stimulate 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:25.970 all the time you get leptin resistance 00:19:22.369 --> 00:19:28.399 same thing we know that because in 00:19:25.970 --> 00:19:32.180 obesity what you have is not a lack of 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:34.730 leptin but a total lack of response so 00:19:32.180 --> 00:19:36.980 it's a leptin resistance state so now 00:19:34.730 --> 00:19:40.309 your negative feedback loop is 00:19:36.980 --> 00:19:43.250 completely busted because insulin you're 00:19:40.309 --> 00:19:44.440 eating a diet lots of carbs eating all 00:19:43.250 --> 00:19:46.849 the time 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:49.640 your insulin is going up through the 00:19:46.849 --> 00:19:52.398 roof and leptin goes up but there's no 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:55.159 response so now your your negative 00:19:52.398 --> 00:19:56.778 feedback loop is busted and you're just 00:19:55.159 --> 00:20:00.080 going to gain weight so that thermostat 00:19:56.778 --> 00:20:01.640 that bodyweight thermostat is gradually 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.439 getting reset upwards 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:06.769 higher and higher and higher exact yeah 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:08.870 and then if you simply try so so the 00:20:06.769 --> 00:20:11.058 important thing is that how do you reset 00:20:08.869 --> 00:20:12.829 that well it's a balance between insulin 00:20:11.058 --> 00:20:15.288 and leptin you can't do much about 00:20:12.829 --> 00:20:18.138 leptin so you really got a attack the 00:20:15.288 --> 00:20:21.048 the infant side and really lower it but 00:20:18.138 --> 00:20:23.089 if you simply say and here's where we 00:20:21.048 --> 00:20:27.079 made a huge mistake so you're eating 00:20:23.089 --> 00:20:29.750 2,000 calories a day now you say okay I 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:31.849 want to cut 500 calories I'm gonna cut 00:20:29.750 --> 00:20:33.288 the fat out because that's what the 00:20:31.849 --> 00:20:36.528 government told them I'm gonna cut the 00:20:33.288 --> 00:20:38.720 fat high calorie weight so the coke 00:20:36.528 --> 00:20:40.429 calorie thing is like okay I've cut my 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.940 calories because I've cut so much fat 00:20:40.429 --> 00:20:45.500 out of my diet that fat had no 00:20:42.940 --> 00:20:47.720 practically no insulin response anyway 00:20:45.500 --> 00:20:49.609 yeah and instead of eating three times a 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.350 day I'm gonna eat six or seven times a 00:20:49.609 --> 00:20:52.339 day because somebody told me that you 00:20:51.349 --> 00:20:56.569 have to eat all the time 00:20:52.339 --> 00:20:58.548 you should eat six meals a day so not 00:20:56.569 --> 00:21:01.220 only are you you're not affecting your 00:20:58.548 --> 00:21:03.500 insulin because you're eating foods that 00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:05.089 are getting reading the same insulin 00:21:03.500 --> 00:21:06.169 effect and you're getting more insulin 00:21:05.089 --> 00:21:08.000 effect because you're eating all the 00:21:06.169 --> 00:21:09.380 time so you're eating less calories for 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.179 having the same insulin in fact and then 00:21:09.380 --> 00:21:13.610 wondering why your weight is going up 00:21:11.179 --> 00:21:15.590 because you never corrected the problem 00:21:13.609 --> 00:21:17.689 which is this balance between insulin 00:21:15.589 --> 00:21:19.990 and leptin you need to get your insulin 00:21:17.690 --> 00:21:23.450 low for a significant amount of time and 00:21:19.990 --> 00:21:24.980 keep get your you're left to get low and 00:21:23.450 --> 00:21:28.519 that takes a long time because that is 00:21:24.980 --> 00:21:31.940 reset upwards very very gradually so if 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:34.579 you think about standard sort of common 00:21:31.940 --> 00:21:37.639 obesity it's about a pound of weight 00:21:34.579 --> 00:21:39.619 gain one to two pounds per year which 00:21:37.638 --> 00:21:43.250 adds up over three decades sort of thing 00:21:39.619 --> 00:21:45.888 but that's it this gradually reset 00:21:43.250 --> 00:21:47.630 upwards so can you move it all back down 00:21:45.888 --> 00:21:51.379 in like a month and a half not really 00:21:47.630 --> 00:21:53.299 it's it's a long term process there's 00:21:51.380 --> 00:21:54.740 this really fascinating study about 00:21:53.298 --> 00:21:56.210 eating habits and 00:21:54.740 --> 00:22:00.200 the things that I've always talked about 00:21:56.210 --> 00:22:03.470 in you know in the obesity code is that 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:05.840 it's not simply what we eat so if you 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:08.000 look at the foods that we should eat 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.709 there's there's really not that much 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:10.970 disagreement nobody really thinks you 00:22:09.710 --> 00:22:12.350 should be eating a lot of white bread 00:22:10.970 --> 00:22:15.399 anymore 00:22:12.349 --> 00:22:18.469 so if you look that we all sort of agree 00:22:15.398 --> 00:22:20.389 unprocessed foods are good natural fats 00:22:18.470 --> 00:22:22.100 are sort of back so there's less you 00:22:20.390 --> 00:22:23.840 know avocados and nuts it's not that 00:22:22.099 --> 00:22:25.490 much controversy around the edges like 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:28.220 saturated fat and so on there's still 00:22:25.490 --> 00:22:30.169 some controversy but if you look at what 00:22:28.220 --> 00:22:32.690 people say you should eat it's not that 00:22:30.169 --> 00:22:35.149 it's not that different the thing I've 00:22:32.690 --> 00:22:37.880 never talked about is the when to eat if 00:22:35.148 --> 00:22:39.739 you look at nineteen seventy seven how 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.270 often people are eating it's about three 00:22:39.740 --> 00:22:42.649 times a day so I grew up in to some 00:22:41.269 --> 00:22:44.990 needs a breakfast lunch dinner you 00:22:42.648 --> 00:22:46.579 wanted to stack your mom said no you 00:22:44.990 --> 00:22:48.740 can't have a snack we don't have snacks 00:22:46.579 --> 00:22:50.178 and you're gonna ruin your dinner you 00:22:48.740 --> 00:22:52.759 want an after-dinner snack they're like 00:22:50.179 --> 00:22:54.740 no if you got hungry yes buddy you 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:57.558 should be more dinner that exactly what 00:22:54.740 --> 00:23:00.798 they would have said and if you look at 00:22:57.558 --> 00:23:02.839 the latest data so 2004 2005 the Ann 00:23:00.798 --> 00:23:06.230 Haynes study which is this giant sort of 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:11.000 American survey it's closer to six times 00:23:06.230 --> 00:23:12.380 a day average in 2005 sorry a couple of 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.640 years ago they had this really 00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:16.429 interesting study where they gave 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:18.080 somebody a smartphone app and people 00:23:16.429 --> 00:23:19.130 would just record when they ate and how 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.470 much they ate sort of thing and they 00:23:19.130 --> 00:23:24.380 looked at how often people ate and they 00:23:21.470 --> 00:23:26.839 broke it in by deciles so each the top 00:23:24.380 --> 00:23:30.440 10% of people in the bottom 10% so the 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:33.250 the bottom 10% the peep that the 10% of 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:38.750 people who ate the least frequently 00:23:33.250 --> 00:23:42.470 averaged 3.3 times hmm that is 90% of 00:23:38.750 --> 00:23:44.778 people ate more than three times a day 00:23:42.470 --> 00:23:46.940 it's and and the top 10 percent of 00:23:44.778 --> 00:23:47.148 people how often they it was ten times a 00:23:46.940 --> 00:23:49.880 day 00:23:47.148 --> 00:23:53.079 well it's ridiculous we're eating all 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:58.159 the time so again if you think about it 00:23:53.079 --> 00:24:01.490 the way human nutrition is is not that 00:23:58.159 --> 00:24:04.100 complicated when you eat your body wants 00:24:01.490 --> 00:24:05.630 to store food energy because food 00:24:04.099 --> 00:24:07.669 Energy's coming in you should store it 00:24:05.630 --> 00:24:11.600 for a time that you don't have it 00:24:07.670 --> 00:24:13.970 and when you are not eating then insulin 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:15.829 falls and you simply take that food 00:24:13.970 --> 00:24:17.480 energy that you store it and you burn it 00:24:15.829 --> 00:24:19.039 and that's why you don't die in your 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:21.559 sleep like every single night it's like 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:25.039 yes you don't have to eat muffins every 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.899 two hours to survive like it's okay but 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:29.619 that's the way nutrition is so if you 00:24:26.900 --> 00:24:32.390 think about it now we're eating sort of 00:24:29.619 --> 00:24:35.269 ten times a day instead of three times a 00:24:32.390 --> 00:24:37.880 day so 10 times a day we are telling our 00:24:35.269 --> 00:24:40.789 bodies to store fat 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:42.320 it's like store fast or fast or fast or 00:24:40.789 --> 00:24:44.450 fat and that's like I wonder why I'm so 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:48.409 fat it's like because you keep telling 00:24:44.450 --> 00:24:50.150 your body do that and if you want to if 00:24:48.410 --> 00:24:51.860 you want to burn fat then you got to 00:24:50.150 --> 00:24:53.450 tell it to stop burning fat and again 00:24:51.859 --> 00:24:55.219 it's a hormonal signal it's not a 00:24:53.450 --> 00:24:57.830 caloric signal it's a hormonal signal 00:24:55.220 --> 00:24:59.839 you got to let that insulin fall because 00:24:57.829 --> 00:25:01.819 it's when the insulin fall that the 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:04.459 body's gonna start burning the glycogen 00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:07.339 gonna start burning the body fat if you 00:25:04.460 --> 00:25:09.230 keep your insulin high then you'll never 00:25:07.339 --> 00:25:11.629 do it because insulin is the signal to 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:13.640 go high and this is the promo type-2 00:25:11.630 --> 00:25:15.860 diabetes because you get this insulin 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:17.870 resistance which leads to high insulin 00:25:15.859 --> 00:25:20.240 all the time so it gets harder and 00:25:17.869 --> 00:25:23.779 harder to lose weight as it goes so then 00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:25.099 as you get in sort of like 40 years in 00:25:23.779 --> 00:25:27.259 if you're 60 years old and you've been 00:25:25.099 --> 00:25:28.990 gaining weight since age 20 for example 00:25:27.259 --> 00:25:32.210 you have all this insulin resistance 00:25:28.990 --> 00:25:34.400 then of course the whole problem is that 00:25:32.210 --> 00:25:36.110 you have all this insulin resistance it 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:38.330 keeps it high even though your diet may 00:25:36.109 --> 00:25:40.129 be good you have to you have to fight 00:25:38.329 --> 00:25:42.589 all those years of insulin resistance 00:25:40.130 --> 00:25:44.210 and that's why I also say that that 00:25:42.589 --> 00:25:47.179 obesity is really a time-dependent 00:25:44.210 --> 00:25:49.490 phenomenon that is the longer you have 00:25:47.180 --> 00:25:52.519 it the harder it is which the Clarke 00:25:49.490 --> 00:25:55.460 theory completely sort of ignores that 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:57.829 is to say if you gain ten pounds from 00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:59.960 where you are right now you could lose 00:25:57.829 --> 00:26:04.159 that pretty easily yeah but if somebody 00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:06.079 is 65 it's pretty hard to lose that ten 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.810 pounds because they've always had it and 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:10.879 it's this sort of chronic resetting 00:26:08.809 --> 00:26:11.690 upwards of this body set weight that's 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:14.090 the problem 00:26:11.690 --> 00:26:16.640 so actors in Hollywood do it all the 00:26:14.089 --> 00:26:19.730 time you see people they gain like ten 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:22.549 for their 20 pounds for a roll and then 00:26:19.730 --> 00:26:23.089 they drop it and no no no biggie yeah of 00:26:22.548 --> 00:26:24.950 course 00:26:23.089 --> 00:26:26.659 they just gained it like two weeks ago 00:26:24.950 --> 00:26:28.100 they can lose it no problem right 00:26:26.660 --> 00:26:30.200 because their setpoint was relatively 00:26:28.099 --> 00:26:31.939 normal go there's that points here it 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.650 takes time it hasn't really gone up but 00:26:31.940 --> 00:26:35.179 they force-fed themselves to gain that 00:26:33.650 --> 00:26:37.370 weight for whatever movie role they have 00:26:35.179 --> 00:26:39.890 to do so their body weights here but 00:26:37.369 --> 00:26:41.989 their set points here so then they 00:26:39.890 --> 00:26:43.820 simply stop eating because lectins too 00:26:41.990 --> 00:26:45.529 high they stop eating because they 00:26:43.819 --> 00:26:47.750 really don't want to eat and they just 00:26:45.529 --> 00:26:50.359 drop and we saw that in experiments with 00:26:47.750 --> 00:26:53.000 in the 1960s with the overfeeding 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:56.119 studies so those are fascinating because 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:58.400 they took these college kids and they 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.048 said we want you to gain weight so this 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:02.660 was an interesting story because Ethan 00:27:00.048 --> 00:27:04.970 Sims he wanted to study obesity so he 00:27:02.660 --> 00:27:06.740 said okay well you know what I'll make 00:27:04.970 --> 00:27:07.940 these rats gain weight so you just gave 00:27:06.740 --> 00:27:10.490 him food and they wouldn't gain weight 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:12.710 when they're full they stopped which is 00:27:10.490 --> 00:27:14.779 exactly what happens in in in like the 00:27:12.710 --> 00:27:16.610 1960s of course people ate until they're 00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:19.548 full and they stopped the key of course 00:27:16.609 --> 00:27:21.979 is they're not eating all the time but 00:27:19.548 --> 00:27:24.470 they so he thought okay well I can't 00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:25.940 make these rats get fat that's weird 00:27:24.470 --> 00:27:27.769 I thought it is pretty easy so he got 00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:29.120 these college kids and I said I want you 00:27:27.769 --> 00:27:30.859 to gain like 10 percent of your weight 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.689 and they all thought it'd be easy and 00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:36.769 they couldn't do it they couldn't gain 00:27:32.690 --> 00:27:39.289 weight so he went to prison and he said 00:27:36.769 --> 00:27:42.168 okay I'm gonna take these people in 00:27:39.289 --> 00:27:44.539 prison and make them gain weight he he 00:27:42.169 --> 00:27:47.030 made sure they didn't exercise too much 00:27:44.539 --> 00:27:48.798 he had people watch them as they ate 00:27:47.029 --> 00:27:51.109 because you know their liberties were 00:27:48.798 --> 00:27:53.119 being restricted so they gained weight 00:27:51.109 --> 00:27:54.979 but is really really hard there's one 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.979 guy he eventually gained sort of 25 00:27:54.980 --> 00:28:00.558 percent of his body weight he was eating 00:27:56.980 --> 00:28:03.279 10,000 calories a day well so you think 00:28:00.558 --> 00:28:05.389 okay what's going on he normally 820 500 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:08.149 calories a day for example he went up to 00:28:05.390 --> 00:28:10.700 10,000 but as you went up to 10,000 his 00:28:08.150 --> 00:28:13.370 bodies that way was down here and his 00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:14.900 body is actively trying to burn off all 00:28:13.369 --> 00:28:16.548 those calories that are coming in now 00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:18.230 you can't make up that many calories so 00:28:16.548 --> 00:28:20.450 he did gain weight that's what happened 00:28:18.230 --> 00:28:22.548 he said when the experiment stopped his 00:28:20.450 --> 00:28:25.009 body set weights down here he's up here 00:28:22.548 --> 00:28:26.200 boom he lost all that weight in like two 00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:28.150 months without effort 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.650 it's crazy that's crazy well you know a 00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:31.540 lot of bodybuilders not in review but a 00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:33.340 lot of bodybuilders use insulin for to 00:28:31.539 --> 00:28:34.899 put on mass you know because you you're 00:28:33.339 --> 00:28:37.419 at 190 pounds you want to be a 00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:39.040 professional onstage at 285 there's a 00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:41.050 long way to go right so they used 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:42.849 insulin a lot of anabolic sex you rev up 00:28:41.049 --> 00:28:43.450 so that they can physically eat down 00:28:42.849 --> 00:28:45.669 much food 00:28:43.450 --> 00:28:47.080 yeah so it's crazy um you know a lot of 00:28:45.670 --> 00:28:48.550 people will say like oh I just have a 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.929 sluggish metabolism and I remember 00:28:48.549 --> 00:28:52.000 reading some studies about that like 00:28:49.930 --> 00:28:54.100 overweight people their metabolisms not 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.990 slow they're just storing more than 00:28:54.099 --> 00:28:57.699 they're burning you know yeah so that's 00:28:55.990 --> 00:28:59.769 really interesting about like you know 00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:02.140 increasing the food intake the body will 00:28:59.769 --> 00:29:05.259 compensate and will speed up resting 00:29:02.140 --> 00:29:07.480 metabolic rate but one thing that how 00:29:05.259 --> 00:29:10.119 can we mentally unravel the difference 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:12.099 between calorie restriction like you 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.809 know I want to lose whatever how many 00:29:12.099 --> 00:29:15.429 pound so I'm going to only eat 1200 00:29:13.809 --> 00:29:17.589 calories per day and intermittent 00:29:15.430 --> 00:29:19.600 fasting and how calorie restriction 00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:21.909 reduces your resting metabolic rate but 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.740 intermittent fasting does not help us 00:29:21.910 --> 00:29:26.290 like navigate that yeah that's a common 00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:28.990 question and the point is that calorie 00:29:26.289 --> 00:29:30.869 restriction first of all the body really 00:29:28.990 --> 00:29:33.549 has no idea what the hell you're doing 00:29:30.869 --> 00:29:34.929 so you restrict calories but the body 00:29:33.549 --> 00:29:37.029 does whatever it wants because it 00:29:34.930 --> 00:29:39.310 responds to hormones intermittent 00:29:37.029 --> 00:29:41.440 fasting is not about how many calories 00:29:39.309 --> 00:29:44.169 you eat it's about the time that you're 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:47.279 not eating so you're not eating for 12 00:29:44.170 --> 00:29:51.430 hours or 16 hours or 24 hours or 7 days 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:54.190 and people always think that you know if 00:29:51.430 --> 00:29:56.110 I only eat once a day for example and I 00:29:54.190 --> 00:29:58.210 eat 1200 calories well that's exactly 00:29:56.109 --> 00:30:01.359 the same is about 1200 calories through 00:29:58.210 --> 00:30:03.910 that day no the difference is that if 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:08.079 you you know let's do a thought 00:30:03.910 --> 00:30:11.680 experiment yeah if you eat sort of you 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:14.529 know I equal sized portions of food sort 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:17.049 of every hour you know throughout the 00:30:14.529 --> 00:30:19.690 whole day is that really the same as 00:30:17.049 --> 00:30:22.990 eating that one portion through that 00:30:19.690 --> 00:30:24.820 whole all at one sitting and it's not 00:30:22.990 --> 00:30:26.650 really because every time you kind of 00:30:24.819 --> 00:30:28.179 stimulate your insulin to go up and you 00:30:26.650 --> 00:30:32.500 keep telling your body to gain weight 00:30:28.180 --> 00:30:34.720 when you drop your insulin enough what's 00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:37.960 gonna happen is that you're going to 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:40.210 tell your body to switch fuel sources 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:42.548 okay so when you're eating all the time 00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:44.829 you're fueling your body on the food 00:30:42.548 --> 00:30:46.509 that's coming in so you eat two thousand 00:30:44.829 --> 00:30:48.158 calories you burn two thousand calories 00:30:46.509 --> 00:30:49.359 that's all food that's kind of going in 00:30:48.159 --> 00:30:51.240 and out and it's going through the 00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:53.859 short-term storage and the glycogen sure 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:56.409 but if you let your insulin fall low 00:30:53.859 --> 00:30:59.439 enough then what happens is that you 00:30:56.409 --> 00:31:01.390 switch into burning fat so after you get 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:03.009 through your glycogen then you get into 00:31:01.390 --> 00:31:04.899 your body fat and that's where you start 00:31:03.009 --> 00:31:06.700 to see the ketones and all this sort of 00:31:04.898 --> 00:31:09.699 stuff but you know that you're burning 00:31:06.700 --> 00:31:13.450 fat so for example if you're switching 00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:16.569 fuel sources there's no reason for your 00:31:13.450 --> 00:31:18.460 body to slow down so again let's take 00:31:16.569 --> 00:31:22.089 some numbers so if you have a 2,000 00:31:18.460 --> 00:31:23.230 calories a day and you eat 1,200 but 00:31:22.089 --> 00:31:24.788 you're eating all the time and you're 00:31:23.230 --> 00:31:26.288 you're keeping your insulin high either 00:31:24.788 --> 00:31:27.669 because you're injecting it or you have 00:31:26.288 --> 00:31:30.879 insulin resistance and your insulin 00:31:27.669 --> 00:31:33.759 slicer insulin is high insulin blocks 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:35.409 like pollicis so what that means and 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:38.710 we've known this again for 50 years 00:31:35.409 --> 00:31:40.778 insulin stops you from burning fat why 00:31:38.710 --> 00:31:42.759 because insulin is telling your body to 00:31:40.778 --> 00:31:44.380 gain fat so you don't want to burn fat 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:47.200 and gain found at the same time so we 00:31:44.380 --> 00:31:48.760 say insulin inhibits lipolysis so if 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.370 insulin is high but you're only taking 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:54.190 1200 calories you have no access to your 00:31:51.369 --> 00:31:56.079 fat stores right because it blocks like 00:31:54.190 --> 00:31:58.509 pollicis insulin is high you can't burn 00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:01.509 fat so all you have coming in is 1200 00:31:58.509 --> 00:32:03.730 calories all you can burn is 1200 00:32:01.509 --> 00:32:04.119 calories your metabolic rate must slow 00:32:03.730 --> 00:32:07.089 down 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:09.639 in order for you to survive because you 00:32:07.089 --> 00:32:13.028 don't want to die hmm what happens now 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:16.720 if you allow your innocent to drop say 00:32:13.028 --> 00:32:18.759 you go on a 7 day fast and so you have 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.589 zero calories coming in for seven days 00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:23.129 and I choose this not because I 00:32:20.589 --> 00:32:26.439 recommend it it's pretty it's fairly 00:32:23.130 --> 00:32:28.059 extreme in some cases but if you have 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:31.240 insulin resistance at least I know you 00:32:28.058 --> 00:32:33.369 your insulin will fall so as your 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:36.548 insulin falls then you're gonna switch 00:32:33.369 --> 00:32:40.000 from burning food to burning fat that's 00:32:36.548 --> 00:32:43.200 what's supposed to happen so if your 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:46.720 body now sees okay I'm burning body fat 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:49.279 there's like tons of this stuff yeah why 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:52.460 do I need to slow down my metabolism 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:55.789 in fact if you look at the physiology of 00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:59.090 fasting it actually maintains the 00:32:55.789 --> 00:33:01.849 metabolic rate because as insulin Falls 00:32:59.089 --> 00:33:04.669 you get a counter regulatory hormone 00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:08.449 surge and again this is sort of basic 00:33:04.670 --> 00:33:10.730 physiology insulin Falls the body 00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:13.039 increases sympathetic tone so the 00:33:10.730 --> 00:33:15.110 sympathetic nervous system adrenaline 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:17.750 and noradrenaline growth hormone and 00:33:15.109 --> 00:33:20.359 cortisol we know that that's pretty 00:33:17.750 --> 00:33:23.480 basic because that's trying to get the 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:25.909 glucose back out from the liver into the 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.880 blood and those hormones the sympathetic 00:33:25.910 --> 00:33:30.860 nervous system adrenaline cortisol 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.320 growth hormone are trying to push the 00:33:30.859 --> 00:33:35.869 glucose out well what do you think 00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:38.059 adrenaline does that's not slowing your 00:33:35.869 --> 00:33:41.179 metabolic rate right it's pumping it up 00:33:38.059 --> 00:33:44.899 and why does growth hormone go up but 00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:48.920 growth hormone is there because you have 00:33:44.900 --> 00:33:50.810 a period of gluconeogenesis at around 24 00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:53.210 hours if you look at the physiology of 00:33:50.809 --> 00:33:55.369 fasting the glycogen stores which are 00:33:53.210 --> 00:33:58.819 chains of glucose in your liver that's 00:33:55.369 --> 00:34:00.349 the first sort of stuff you go to when 00:33:58.819 --> 00:34:03.230 you burn through your glycogen it lasts 00:34:00.349 --> 00:34:05.659 for 24 hours at 24 to 36 hours roughly 00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:06.980 you're gonna burn protein and that's 00:34:05.660 --> 00:34:08.449 where everybody says all your burning 00:34:06.980 --> 00:34:10.039 muscle know you're burning protein 00:34:08.449 --> 00:34:11.779 that's not necessarily muscle there's a 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:13.809 lot of excess connective tissue there's 00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:16.870 a lot of excess fat that you should burn 00:34:13.809 --> 00:34:18.619 if you look at those you know 00:34:16.869 --> 00:34:20.449 documentaries of people whose weight 00:34:18.619 --> 00:34:22.969 they have all this excess skin 00:34:20.449 --> 00:34:24.529 yeah well that needs to be burned and 00:34:22.969 --> 00:34:25.908 you want to burn that that's not bad 00:34:24.530 --> 00:34:27.320 thing that's a good thing you want to 00:34:25.909 --> 00:34:28.668 get rid of that same thing with the 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:31.250 Tophet you you want to get rid of this 00:34:28.668 --> 00:34:32.809 protein but if you keep getting rid of 00:34:31.250 --> 00:34:34.668 protein and never putting it back in 00:34:32.809 --> 00:34:37.369 that's not good either so what does a 00:34:34.668 --> 00:34:39.049 body do the body's not that stupid what 00:34:37.369 --> 00:34:41.539 it does is it pumps up growth hormone 00:34:39.050 --> 00:34:44.149 like you can't believe it goes up like 3 00:34:41.539 --> 00:34:46.489 to 5 fold on a 5 day fast Wow 00:34:44.148 --> 00:34:48.969 and what it means is that when you eat 00:34:46.489 --> 00:34:51.408 again you're gonna rebuild that protein 00:34:48.969 --> 00:34:52.989 but not the protein that you didn't need 00:34:51.409 --> 00:34:55.639 that excess skin that you didn't need 00:34:52.989 --> 00:34:57.679 the stuff that you do need the same 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.030 thing for @rg same thing for cancer 00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:02.609 cells same thing for all 00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:04.680 timers plaque and so on you actually 00:35:02.610 --> 00:35:06.539 have the ability to break down this 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:09.480 protein that you don't want and that's 00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:11.820 why a lot of these people there's a lot 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:14.269 of research going on into a tappa G 00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:17.120 caloric restriction in terms of 00:35:14.269 --> 00:35:19.530 longevity I mean there's a whole calorie 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.750 notion which is not really physiologic 00:35:19.530 --> 00:35:23.910 but it's the same thing you really want 00:35:21.750 --> 00:35:27.119 to burn off this excess protein that's 00:35:23.909 --> 00:35:29.579 not making it good because the if you 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:32.489 don't ever let your body break down this 00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:38.150 protein you can't actually build new 00:35:32.489 --> 00:35:41.069 protein because it's like if you have a 00:35:38.150 --> 00:35:43.230 bathroom that you want to renovate the 00:35:41.070 --> 00:35:46.620 first thing you got to do is pull out 00:35:43.230 --> 00:35:49.199 that sort of avocado green tub that was 00:35:46.619 --> 00:35:51.630 sitting from the 1970s if you don't pull 00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:54.389 out that tub you can't put in a nice new 00:35:51.630 --> 00:35:56.519 clawfoot tub you have to get rid of it 00:35:54.389 --> 00:35:59.279 first yeah then that's the way the body 00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:01.710 works if you look at turnover of bone 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.630 there's osteoclasts and osteoblasts the 00:36:01.710 --> 00:36:06.900 first thing you do when you remodel BOE 00:36:03.630 --> 00:36:09.690 is chew up the old bone then you lay 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:12.510 down new bone and that's healthier then 00:36:09.690 --> 00:36:15.659 keeping the old crappy bone there just 00:36:12.510 --> 00:36:17.550 like that old avocado green top so you 00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:19.349 have to break it down to rebuild it and 00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:22.230 that's what fasting does it actually 00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:24.239 breaks down the protein growl hormone 00:36:22.230 --> 00:36:26.070 goes through the roof and so does 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.959 noradrenaline and some people have so 00:36:26.070 --> 00:36:30.300 much energy they're like I can't sleep 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:32.449 I'm like waking up at like 3 a.m. and 00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:36.000 you know doing all this work I'm like 00:36:32.449 --> 00:36:38.129 one is like that's great if you want but 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.210 if you can't then like yeah you know 00:36:38.130 --> 00:36:41.340 that's just one of the things that 00:36:39.210 --> 00:36:44.159 happens but what you're doing you're 00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:47.160 allowing access to those energy stores 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:49.079 those fat stores remember fat is simply 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:51.690 food that's stored away for you to use 00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:54.690 when there's no food available now that 00:36:51.690 --> 00:36:56.849 you've dropped your insulin you're 00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:58.769 allowing bought your body to access all 00:36:56.849 --> 00:37:00.569 those huge stores of energy and the 00:36:58.769 --> 00:37:02.699 body's going crazy and it's like yeah 00:37:00.570 --> 00:37:05.190 I'm going crazy I'm gonna do this so it 00:37:02.699 --> 00:37:07.109 burns it all off and at the same time 00:37:05.190 --> 00:37:08.820 it's breaking down this protein when you 00:37:07.110 --> 00:37:10.680 eat again growth hormone is so high 00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:12.330 you're going to rebuild your protein so 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.049 when you look at clinical studies of 00:37:12.329 --> 00:37:15.929 weight loss 00:37:13.050 --> 00:37:18.210 you actually get much better retention 00:37:15.929 --> 00:37:20.819 of lean mass with an intermittent 00:37:18.210 --> 00:37:22.920 fasting strategy than a standard sort of 00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:24.450 cut 500 calories per day and these are 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.269 the sort of myths that are out there 00:37:24.449 --> 00:37:28.829 the myth that your metabolites going to 00:37:27.269 --> 00:37:31.320 go down it's actually the exact opposite 00:37:28.829 --> 00:37:34.259 fasting does much better in terms of 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.000 preservation of metabolic rate oh you're 00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:37.230 gonna lose all this muscle it's 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:37.920 completely false it's actually the 00:37:37.230 --> 00:37:39.599 opposite 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.130 if you try to lose weight with standard 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.719 calorie restriction compared to 00:37:41.130 --> 00:37:45.450 intermittent fasting and the studies are 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:47.639 there then you will do much better by 00:37:45.449 --> 00:37:51.239 doing the fasting because you're you're 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:53.250 cycling the the sort of energy source 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:56.099 you're just you're allowing your body to 00:37:53.250 --> 00:37:58.590 access those energy stores rather than 00:37:56.099 --> 00:38:00.480 keeping insulin hiding it away and then 00:37:58.590 --> 00:38:02.820 saying okay you can use whatever energy 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.679 is coming in through the mouth and it's 00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:06.630 like 1,200 calories while you burn 1200 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:09.000 calories and that's the real problem is 00:38:06.630 --> 00:38:10.730 that the body and we saw this in the 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:14.639 Biggest Loser so these Biggest Loser 00:38:10.730 --> 00:38:17.969 diets so they lose a lot of weight yeah 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:20.339 and a lot of fat which is great but the 00:38:17.969 --> 00:38:24.179 problem is that the metabolic rate just 00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:26.490 kind of sank like a stone so yeah and 00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:28.379 one poor guy who is burning 3400 00:38:26.489 --> 00:38:30.750 calories a day went down to like 1800 00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:33.119 calories and what does a man drop that's 00:38:30.750 --> 00:38:34.949 a massive drop yeah I mean he he lost a 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:38.699 lot of weight too but then the problem 00:38:34.949 --> 00:38:41.039 is that the body's used to burning this 00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:43.319 amount of calories so say say you 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:46.259 normally take 2,000 calories then you go 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:48.900 on this 1,500 calorie a day caloric 00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:50.760 restriction diet your body now can only 00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:52.349 burn 1,500 because you haven't dropped 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.240 your insulin you haven't solved this 00:38:52.349 --> 00:38:56.039 sort of hormonal imbalance you're trying 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.239 to solve this kauri imbalance but it's 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.119 not a calorie imbalance you got the 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:02.299 wrong problem she got the wrong solution 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:04.319 so you drop your calories now the body 00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:06.150 insulin is still high because you're 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.820 cutting fat and you're eating six times 00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:11.579 a day so your insulin is high you have 00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:14.490 no access to body fat you instead of 00:39:11.579 --> 00:39:16.769 burning 2,000 you're burning 1,500 guess 00:39:14.489 --> 00:39:20.369 what you're gonna feel cold you're gonna 00:39:16.769 --> 00:39:22.530 you feel sluggish your hair may fall out 00:39:20.369 --> 00:39:24.569 your nails might get brittle because 00:39:22.530 --> 00:39:26.430 everything takes energy your heart needs 00:39:24.570 --> 00:39:28.829 to pump your blood pressure your 00:39:26.429 --> 00:39:31.230 liver your kidneys and you've put them 00:39:28.829 --> 00:39:33.510 on this sort of restriction so you're 00:39:31.230 --> 00:39:36.059 cold and then your body makes you hungry 00:39:33.510 --> 00:39:37.650 you know that Gowland goes up your body 00:39:36.059 --> 00:39:40.380 makes you hungry because it wants to get 00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:42.180 backed up to that that weight and your 00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:43.800 metabolic rate slowing so you feel cold 00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:46.949 you feel tired you hunt feel hungry you 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:49.109 feel like crap and you've stopped losing 00:39:46.949 --> 00:39:51.509 weight because your metabolic rate has 00:39:49.108 --> 00:39:53.608 gone down not to 59 that usually goes 00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:56.130 down to like 1450 or something like that 00:39:53.608 --> 00:39:59.009 yeah so now you're actually starting to 00:39:56.130 --> 00:40:01.380 regain that weight so you're on 1,500 00:39:59.010 --> 00:40:04.559 calories your body's move this metabolic 00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:06.059 rate from 2,000 to 1450 you're regaining 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:08.040 that way you said forget it I'm going to 00:40:06.059 --> 00:40:11.790 go back up to 1,700 calories 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:14.308 now you just pile on the weight because 00:40:11.789 --> 00:40:15.750 you're still at 1450 mm-hmm and you're 00:40:14.309 --> 00:40:18.720 still feeling it like crap because 00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:20.309 you're used to burn 2,000 and your 00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.529 weights all back to where it was 00:40:20.309 --> 00:40:24.240 it's like sound familiar yeah well guess 00:40:22.530 --> 00:40:28.079 what that's what every single dieter 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:31.348 does why not instead do the intermittent 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:33.900 fasting drop your insulin levels very 00:40:31.349 --> 00:40:36.088 low for a period of time whatever time 00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:38.548 it is 16 hours 24 hour whatever it is 00:40:36.088 --> 00:40:42.960 during that time you allow your body to 00:40:38.548 --> 00:40:46.380 burn stored food energy hey why does it 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:47.970 need to change from 2000 so this is the 00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:51.568 difference between calorie restriction 00:40:47.969 --> 00:40:54.629 of 1200 calories and eating one time or 00:40:51.568 --> 00:40:57.900 1200 calories in you know one day is 00:40:54.630 --> 00:41:02.338 that you're taking 1200 calories for 00:40:57.900 --> 00:41:04.740 example from food and 800 calories from 00:41:02.338 --> 00:41:07.230 body fat because you've dropped your 00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:09.719 insulin and allowed your body to access 00:41:07.230 --> 00:41:11.960 that body fat now your body's like yeah 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.730 I'm gonna burn 2,000 because I want to 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:16.530 whereas before when your insulin is high 00:41:14.730 --> 00:41:19.199 you've blocked it off and you can only 00:41:16.530 --> 00:41:21.298 burn 1200 and that's the difference 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:23.730 between sort of intermittent fasting and 00:41:21.298 --> 00:41:25.230 just calorie restriction and you can see 00:41:23.730 --> 00:41:27.030 why one works and one doesn't work 00:41:25.230 --> 00:41:30.599 you're simply allowing your body to 00:41:27.030 --> 00:41:31.650 access the stored food energy that's on 00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.450 your body and guess what 00:41:31.650 --> 00:41:35.400 that's what is therefore that's what 00:41:33.449 --> 00:41:37.348 body is the body fat is there for it's 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.220 not there for looks it's there for you 00:41:37.349 --> 00:41:40.019 to use 00:41:38.219 --> 00:41:41.429 you know it's so brilliant I really 00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:43.469 wanted add more into insulin I think 00:41:41.429 --> 00:41:45.419 that's a great analogy you know that and 00:41:43.469 --> 00:41:47.549 it really underscoring the importance of 00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:49.079 the hormonal balance and speaking of 00:41:47.550 --> 00:41:51.300 hormones ghrelin is a hormone people 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.858 talk about in the context of like why 00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:54.810 women shouldn't fast and there was a 00:41:52.858 --> 00:41:57.358 study came out that show that ghrelin 00:41:54.809 --> 00:41:58.650 reduction was actually better in women 00:41:57.358 --> 00:42:01.049 versus men which i think is interesting 00:41:58.650 --> 00:42:02.579 yeah that was a fascinating study so 00:42:01.050 --> 00:42:04.680 they talked about why women shouldn't 00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:08.400 fast and honestly I don't know why 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:11.069 people say that it doesn't really make 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:14.369 any sense I mean if the woman is 00:42:11.070 --> 00:42:16.650 underweight or at risk of anorexia sure 00:42:14.369 --> 00:42:18.570 that makes sense like you got to apply 00:42:16.650 --> 00:42:21.210 everything in a clinical context you're 00:42:18.570 --> 00:42:23.849 not gonna put a 16 year old 80 pound 00:42:21.210 --> 00:42:24.809 girl on some kind of fasting diet you're 00:42:23.849 --> 00:42:27.539 asking for trouble 00:42:24.809 --> 00:42:31.139 they might get anorexia nervosa sure but 00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:33.389 you put a 250 pound 60 year-old man on 00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:36.629 fasting he's not gonna get any sooner 00:42:33.389 --> 00:42:38.129 Roza okay so women can fast absolutely 00:42:36.630 --> 00:42:39.480 then grrrrrr Allen is so so-called 00:42:38.130 --> 00:42:41.730 hunger hormone so the higher it is the 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.070 hungrier on and when they look that food 00:42:41.730 --> 00:42:46.858 craving so one of the things that we 00:42:44.070 --> 00:42:49.769 talk about all the time is people when 00:42:46.858 --> 00:42:51.900 they come in the the number one sort of 00:42:49.769 --> 00:42:53.489 concern about fasting is hunger they 00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:55.769 think I can't do it I'm gonna get so 00:42:53.489 --> 00:42:59.009 hungry and what you have to realize is 00:42:55.769 --> 00:43:00.838 that when you look at ghrelin over 24 00:42:59.010 --> 00:43:02.820 hours if you don't even over 24 hours 00:43:00.838 --> 00:43:04.380 you see gorillas spike in a spikes three 00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:06.720 times at breakfast lunch and dinner 00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:08.519 so we're trained to eat a lot of people 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:10.649 are trained to eat three times a day so 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.358 when it comes around to noontime ghrelin 00:43:10.650 --> 00:43:16.588 spikes up but he is that doesn't 00:43:12.358 --> 00:43:18.389 continue to go up if you don't eat it 00:43:16.588 --> 00:43:21.838 actually just drops back down to normal 00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:23.338 and anybody who's worked through Dinard 00:43:21.838 --> 00:43:25.469 work through lunch 00:43:23.338 --> 00:43:28.769 knows this because at twelve o'clock one 00:43:25.469 --> 00:43:30.088 o'clock you're hungry but then you're so 00:43:28.769 --> 00:43:33.530 busy you're just working you're working 00:43:30.088 --> 00:43:36.779 or working by four o'clock it's as if 00:43:33.530 --> 00:43:38.609 you ain't there's actually no difference 00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:42.540 in hunger if you ate or you didn't eat 00:43:38.608 --> 00:43:45.869 why is that well because insulin fell 00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:48.570 your body essentially ate lunch out of 00:43:45.869 --> 00:43:49.950 your own body fat it's like okay that's 00:43:48.570 --> 00:43:52.980 perfect 00:43:49.949 --> 00:43:54.960 that's exactly what we want it to do but 00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:56.670 the hunger does not keep going up it 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.650 comes in waves and I say you got to ride 00:43:56.670 --> 00:44:00.480 those waves out because they will come 00:43:58.650 --> 00:44:02.519 they'll be dinner time you're gonna get 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.800 hungry but if you bribed it out it's 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.900 gonna go down so if you look at food 00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:09.090 cravings you see the same thing so you 00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:12.000 can do these questionnaires and this 00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:13.769 study looked at food cravings and they 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:16.170 compared a sort of standard calorie 00:44:13.769 --> 00:44:18.420 restriction diet to is sort of ultra 00:44:16.170 --> 00:44:20.789 ultra low calorie diet like a couple 00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:22.200 hundred calories a day sort of thing and 00:44:20.789 --> 00:44:26.969 what they found was that the cravings 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:29.489 essentially disappeared and women versus 00:44:26.969 --> 00:44:31.289 men had much higher levels of these 00:44:29.489 --> 00:44:32.819 ghrelin spikes and it sort of makes 00:44:31.289 --> 00:44:35.670 sense when you talked about people who 00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:38.940 are chocoholics and crave these foods 00:44:35.670 --> 00:44:41.990 it's women for more than men whom these 00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:44.190 sugar cravings and all that and 00:44:41.989 --> 00:44:46.139 physiologically you see that the women 00:44:44.190 --> 00:44:48.210 have these much higher morale and spikes 00:44:46.139 --> 00:44:51.659 and they come right down when you fast 00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:54.090 them so again if you have cravings the 00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:56.309 important thing is not to say well I'm 00:44:54.090 --> 00:44:59.190 gonna eat a little bit because it's like 00:44:56.309 --> 00:45:02.639 an itch if you're a parent you know that 00:44:59.190 --> 00:45:05.849 you don't touch that edge if you scratch 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:07.650 it it's gonna get worse mm-hmm it's the 00:45:05.849 --> 00:45:09.539 same thing with cravings you don't say 00:45:07.650 --> 00:45:11.730 okay I'm gonna take a little bit because 00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:14.099 it's gonna get worse yeah if you take 00:45:11.730 --> 00:45:15.570 those cravings for and it applies to 00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:18.659 everything so you have a craving for 00:45:15.570 --> 00:45:21.570 sweets if you all of a sudden stop 00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:24.029 eating sweets entirely those cravings 00:45:21.570 --> 00:45:25.800 actually disappear so fasting is much 00:45:24.030 --> 00:45:28.590 more powerful because if you have 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.840 cravings for bread and then you just 00:45:28.590 --> 00:45:32.519 stop eating bread those cravings will 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.050 actually diminish whereas if you just 00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.550 eat oh I'm just gonna eat a little bit 00:45:34.050 --> 00:45:40.860 of bread all the time we're gluten free 00:45:35.550 --> 00:45:42.870 bread low carb prayers not your way even 00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:45.269 if you reduce the amount of bread that 00:45:42.869 --> 00:45:47.909 you eat or sweets that you eat because 00:45:45.269 --> 00:45:50.849 you have to take those sort of cravings 00:45:47.909 --> 00:45:52.889 down to a zero level take the food down 00:45:50.849 --> 00:45:55.799 to the zero level and then the cravings 00:45:52.889 --> 00:45:57.839 disappear and that's the real power of 00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.610 the intermittent fasting and also the 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:02.670 ketogenic diets for example so if you're 00:45:59.610 --> 00:46:03.200 eating ultra low carb well after a while 00:46:02.670 --> 00:46:04.909 you soon 00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:07.939 to get used to it and those cravings for 00:46:04.909 --> 00:46:09.769 the carbs go away and that's one of the 00:46:07.940 --> 00:46:12.050 sort of keys to a lot of people's 00:46:09.769 --> 00:46:13.969 success is that once they stop eating it 00:46:12.050 --> 00:46:16.160 they find that they don't really need it 00:46:13.969 --> 00:46:17.809 but if you eat it sometimes you're gonna 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.509 get those cravings right back they come 00:46:17.809 --> 00:46:21.769 right back and and sort of knowing this 00:46:20.510 --> 00:46:25.130 is important because then you can say 00:46:21.769 --> 00:46:26.960 well you can now use this information to 00:46:25.130 --> 00:46:29.059 your advantage because if you know you 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:31.190 have this sort of addictive behavior and 00:46:29.059 --> 00:46:34.009 so on you can use these to get rid of 00:46:31.190 --> 00:46:37.039 your cravings at the same time do 00:46:34.010 --> 00:46:38.630 something which is very healthy and you 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:41.630 know has all these other benefits in 00:46:38.630 --> 00:46:43.910 terms of protein breakdown and at off of 00:46:41.630 --> 00:46:45.440 G and all these other things yeah and 00:46:43.909 --> 00:46:47.838 that and that's the real key is the 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.309 having that knowledge allows you to sort 00:46:47.838 --> 00:46:51.739 of say okay well I'm gonna do this I'm 00:46:49.309 --> 00:46:54.500 gonna do this and this is getting back 00:46:51.739 --> 00:46:59.629 to what I was saying is that to me 00:46:54.500 --> 00:47:02.389 weight loss is really about sort of two 00:46:59.630 --> 00:47:04.099 things what you eat and when you eat and 00:47:02.389 --> 00:47:05.480 sort of we talked endlessly and then to 00:47:04.099 --> 00:47:08.150 see about the what to eat but the when 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:11.150 to eat is sort of completely ignored so 00:47:08.150 --> 00:47:13.250 if you ignore sort of like this huge 00:47:11.150 --> 00:47:15.318 sort of fifty or sixty percent of the 00:47:13.250 --> 00:47:17.690 problem you're gonna fail because you're 00:47:15.318 --> 00:47:19.550 not addressing it because we've gone 00:47:17.690 --> 00:47:22.338 from eating sort of three times a day to 00:47:19.550 --> 00:47:26.269 somewhere around six to ten times a day 00:47:22.338 --> 00:47:27.858 and we think it's good for you right you 00:47:26.269 --> 00:47:29.630 see this all the time and the question 00:47:27.858 --> 00:47:31.909 is where did this advice that you have 00:47:29.630 --> 00:47:33.829 to eat all the time come from food 00:47:31.909 --> 00:47:35.568 industry you know fitness and is up 00:47:33.829 --> 00:47:37.730 there it sure didn't come from the 00:47:35.568 --> 00:47:39.739 doctors because no doctor I know has 00:47:37.730 --> 00:47:41.659 ever found any study that proves that 00:47:39.739 --> 00:47:43.639 eating six or eight times a day is good 00:47:41.659 --> 00:47:47.690 for you and nobody in the history of 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:51.710 humanity has ever done that because they 00:47:47.690 --> 00:47:54.079 have work to do yeah yeah feels you have 00:47:51.710 --> 00:47:56.690 to go you know plow the fields you're 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:58.910 not spending all your time eating and 00:47:56.690 --> 00:48:00.889 yet we think that we shouldn't go more 00:47:58.909 --> 00:48:02.509 than a couple of hours without stuffing 00:48:00.889 --> 00:48:04.670 cookies in our mouths and we teach our 00:48:02.510 --> 00:48:07.099 children this yeah you should look at my 00:48:04.670 --> 00:48:09.639 son schedule I mean not anymore but when 00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:12.500 they were in like grade school and so on 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:15.348 eat breakfast in the middle of morning a 00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:16.559 couple cookies or something lunch after 00:48:15.349 --> 00:48:19.380 school those 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.299 you know fruit or something dinner and 00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:23.940 then you go to soccer and oh in between 00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:27.150 the hands Oh another granola bar like 00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:29.730 come on you know I used to go out and 00:48:27.150 --> 00:48:32.130 play after dinner and it's like you 00:48:29.730 --> 00:48:33.659 didn't eat you're busy playing you 00:48:32.130 --> 00:48:35.309 didn't have to you don't need to stop to 00:48:33.659 --> 00:48:37.170 eat and so you didn't eat anything from 00:48:35.309 --> 00:48:39.690 dinner until at least breakfast the next 00:48:37.170 --> 00:48:41.280 day if you eat breakfast yeah I deal 00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:42.840 with that with my daughter right now and 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:44.670 it seems that there's always a birthday 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:47.100 party some special event and it's always 00:48:44.670 --> 00:48:48.450 sugar-based foods yeah my topic for 00:48:47.099 --> 00:48:50.159 another conversation but you know I 00:48:48.449 --> 00:48:51.929 think it's really you know kind of 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.699 fascinating about the ladies you know 00:48:51.929 --> 00:48:55.799 that ghrelin spike and so forth and 00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:57.599 going back to that just completely I 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.700 don't having you know my problem with 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.500 diet foods is there's the Paleo Donuts 00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:04.379 the low-carb donuts and all this stuff 00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:06.199 is emerging for people and like you said 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:08.910 the addition is a kick the habit 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:10.710 obviously we need to enjoy life too and 00:49:08.909 --> 00:49:12.539 have a little you know food periodically 00:49:10.710 --> 00:49:14.760 but um you know one whatever advise a 00:49:12.539 --> 00:49:17.579 heroin addict just take a small little 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.290 hit yeah okay just a small like they 00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:21.059 have to go cold turkey so that's kind of 00:49:19.289 --> 00:49:23.279 an interesting yeah and and and again 00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:25.289 the the key is understanding that 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:27.930 there's a difference between these sort 00:49:25.289 --> 00:49:30.059 of carbohydrate insulin hypothesis and 00:49:27.929 --> 00:49:32.099 the insulin hypothesis the instant 00:49:30.059 --> 00:49:33.389 hypothesis says that insulin is one of 00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:35.789 the key regulators of 00:49:33.389 --> 00:49:39.779 body weight which i think is true what's 00:49:35.789 --> 00:49:42.449 not true is that carbs are the only sort 00:49:39.780 --> 00:49:46.440 of input into that system and that's 00:49:42.449 --> 00:49:48.899 where a lot of people get into these 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.909 debates because it's like can you eat 00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:54.110 high carb foods and still have low 00:49:50.909 --> 00:49:57.299 insulin absolutely so you go back to the 00:49:54.110 --> 00:50:00.450 Okinawan for example they're eating 65% 00:49:57.300 --> 00:50:02.789 sweet potato diets there there's no 00:50:00.449 --> 00:50:05.250 obesity whatsoever you go to the Kitab 00:50:02.789 --> 00:50:07.679 and they're eating sort of 65 70 percent 00:50:05.250 --> 00:50:10.019 carbohydrates their serum insulin levels 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.419 are like five percentile compared to a 00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:15.269 Swedish population no obesity 00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:16.980 well why is that well a big part of it 00:50:15.269 --> 00:50:20.099 is that you're not eating all the time 00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:22.409 so even though you're eating cassava and 00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:26.489 root vegetables and all this and you got 00:50:22.409 --> 00:50:29.629 to remember again in the 1980s in China 00:50:26.489 --> 00:50:32.629 all white rice and vegetables 00:50:29.630 --> 00:50:35.180 eating 10 times a day there's like 00:50:32.630 --> 00:50:37.700 almost no sugar in that diet there's a 00:50:35.179 --> 00:50:39.679 lot of carbohydrates so there's you can 00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:40.969 look at the the Chinese and some people 00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:42.199 say oh they're eating brown rice they're 00:50:40.969 --> 00:50:43.730 not eating brown rice like I have 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:47.710 relatives from there everybody's eating 00:50:43.730 --> 00:50:50.329 white rice it's all refined grains but 00:50:47.710 --> 00:50:53.059 they're not eating all the time they're 00:50:50.329 --> 00:50:54.889 eating very little sugar like almost 00:50:53.059 --> 00:50:56.090 zero sugar and I think you know for 00:50:54.889 --> 00:50:58.670 different reasons 00:50:56.090 --> 00:51:00.559 sugar is much much much more fattening 00:50:58.670 --> 00:51:02.630 than any other carbohydrate out there 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.269 and this is even though you get no 00:51:02.630 --> 00:51:06.860 insulin effect of fructose so fructose 00:51:05.269 --> 00:51:09.469 has no insulin of fact that has no 00:51:06.860 --> 00:51:11.599 glycemic index of fact so people used to 00:51:09.469 --> 00:51:13.759 think it's great but it's actually very 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:16.239 very bad for you and I think it's sort 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:19.490 of like 20 times as fattening as say 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:22.189 Brad which has sort of glucose as 00:51:19.489 --> 00:51:25.129 opposed to the Frog dose mm-hmm 00:51:22.190 --> 00:51:28.250 so there's no sugar in that they're not 00:51:25.130 --> 00:51:29.750 eating all the time there's no you know 00:51:28.250 --> 00:51:32.809 there's there's all these other sort of 00:51:29.750 --> 00:51:34.730 mitigating factors that keep their 00:51:32.809 --> 00:51:36.949 insulin low so you can eat a low fat 00:51:34.730 --> 00:51:38.510 diet you can eat a high fat diet and 00:51:36.949 --> 00:51:39.949 still keep your insulin low and we see 00:51:38.510 --> 00:51:42.080 this in traditional societies all over 00:51:39.949 --> 00:51:44.539 the world there are societies that are 00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.730 based on eating meat and they do fine 00:51:44.539 --> 00:51:49.070 and there's societies that are based on 00:51:46.730 --> 00:51:51.559 eating white rice like China and they're 00:51:49.070 --> 00:51:54.650 doing fine obesity wise obesity and type 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:56.840 2 diabetes but yet they're widely vary 00:51:54.650 --> 00:51:58.910 in terms of their macronutrients so I 00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:00.530 should never tell people to eat you know 00:51:58.909 --> 00:52:01.909 to watch the macronutrient I don't think 00:52:00.530 --> 00:52:03.560 it's that important but you have to 00:52:01.909 --> 00:52:06.289 always keep in mind the insulin effect 00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:09.170 and a huge part of that is sort of 00:52:06.289 --> 00:52:12.590 frequency of eating and getting that way 00:52:09.170 --> 00:52:14.389 down so if three per day is sort of what 00:52:12.590 --> 00:52:17.030 people have traditionally done and done 00:52:14.389 --> 00:52:18.710 fairly well with that well that's pretty 00:52:17.030 --> 00:52:21.590 good but if you've been eating 10 a day 00:52:18.710 --> 00:52:22.970 for the last 10 years going back to 3 a 00:52:21.590 --> 00:52:24.880 day is not gonna cut it you're not gonna 00:52:22.969 --> 00:52:28.369 lose weight like that you got to go 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:31.789 lower than 3 to make up for those surger 00:52:28.369 --> 00:52:34.880 10 yeah years of 10 a day and and and 00:52:31.789 --> 00:52:36.320 you know just like the you know and this 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.809 is where the calories thing in the 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.830 insulin thing really overlaps because 00:52:38.809 --> 00:52:42.949 again 00:52:39.829 --> 00:52:46.219 anything you eat assuming it's a blend 00:52:42.949 --> 00:52:48.500 of the three macronutrients is going to 00:52:46.219 --> 00:52:50.269 stimulate insulin to some effect and 00:52:48.500 --> 00:52:51.969 it's gonna have some calories so there 00:52:50.269 --> 00:52:55.909 is going to be an overlap between 00:52:51.969 --> 00:52:57.409 calories and insulin effect so that's 00:52:55.909 --> 00:52:58.730 where the confusion comes in because 00:52:57.409 --> 00:53:00.619 people say oh it's just all about 00:52:58.730 --> 00:53:01.969 calories like it's not about calories 00:53:00.619 --> 00:53:06.230 there's nothing to do with calories but 00:53:01.969 --> 00:53:08.750 there's an overlap between the two but 00:53:06.230 --> 00:53:11.570 what when you look at Islan what you say 00:53:08.750 --> 00:53:14.150 is that a hundred calories of certain 00:53:11.570 --> 00:53:16.400 foods are more fattening than hundred 00:53:14.150 --> 00:53:18.139 calories of other foods which is sort of 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:20.510 common sense and what your grandmother 00:53:18.139 --> 00:53:22.489 sort of would have told you like she's 00:53:20.510 --> 00:53:24.680 not gonna say oh you know eat cookies 00:53:22.489 --> 00:53:27.109 and for dinner and I've seen this advice 00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:29.210 given help by doctors so if you want 00:53:27.110 --> 00:53:31.190 cookies and ice cream eat it instead of 00:53:29.210 --> 00:53:34.490 dinner and you'll be fine oh my god God 00:53:31.190 --> 00:53:36.079 yeah no clue because you can't hear you 00:53:34.489 --> 00:53:38.299 can go or that physiology I mean there's 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:42.159 a whole thing to do a satiety for 00:53:38.300 --> 00:53:44.870 example remember that as you eat foods 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:47.179 you're gonna activate certain satiety 00:53:44.869 --> 00:53:49.579 signal so if you go to the buffet and 00:53:47.179 --> 00:53:52.429 you eat like a lot like way too much and 00:53:49.579 --> 00:53:54.349 then you try and eat a couple more pork 00:53:52.429 --> 00:53:56.029 chops it's like you'll never do it you 00:53:54.349 --> 00:53:58.150 can't do it you can't force the pork 00:53:56.030 --> 00:54:01.070 chop down but if you're to eat some 00:53:58.150 --> 00:54:04.539 cookie you could easily do that there 00:54:01.070 --> 00:54:07.130 were no time for cookies exactly because 00:54:04.539 --> 00:54:09.019 there's no satiety effect of those 00:54:07.130 --> 00:54:12.079 highly refined grains the sugar the 00:54:09.019 --> 00:54:14.630 fructose you're gonna get the calories 00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.460 you're gonna get the insulin effect but 00:54:14.630 --> 00:54:18.829 you're not gonna get any sort of satiety 00:54:16.460 --> 00:54:21.199 effect yeah that's why I used to think 00:54:18.829 --> 00:54:23.299 it's very strange because you can eaten 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:25.579 lunch in this guy I used to think this 00:54:23.300 --> 00:54:27.380 is a kid actually it's very strange that 00:54:25.579 --> 00:54:30.259 you can eat lunch or you can eat lunch 00:54:27.380 --> 00:54:32.450 with a big soda and you'll feel exactly 00:54:30.260 --> 00:54:35.540 the same in terms of fullness but you've 00:54:32.449 --> 00:54:37.579 taken a lot more calories when you drink 00:54:35.539 --> 00:54:40.279 that big soda it's like I wonder why I 00:54:37.579 --> 00:54:42.529 you know you think of for 2,000 calories 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.170 I should feel the same amount of fall no 00:54:42.530 --> 00:54:46.850 it's completely different and this is 00:54:45.170 --> 00:54:48.849 the thing with natural foods is that 00:54:46.849 --> 00:54:52.719 they have natural satiety Meck 00:54:48.849 --> 00:54:55.960 so if you eat a lot of beans which is 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.309 all carbohydrates while you'll stretch 00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:00.340 your stomach you'll activate stretch 00:54:57.309 --> 00:55:02.769 receptors if you eat a lot of steak 00:55:00.340 --> 00:55:04.329 you're going to activate peptide YY 00:55:02.769 --> 00:55:07.179 which is for protein you're gonna 00:55:04.329 --> 00:55:08.710 activate in cretons which is for you 00:55:07.179 --> 00:55:10.329 know another satiety signal you're gonna 00:55:08.710 --> 00:55:11.559 activate cholecystokinin which is a 00:55:10.329 --> 00:55:13.420 satiety signal 00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.250 you're gonna activate the vagus nerve 00:55:13.420 --> 00:55:16.300 also in terms of stretch receptors so 00:55:15.250 --> 00:55:18.699 you can eat something which is very 00:55:16.300 --> 00:55:20.680 bulky and feel full or you can eat 00:55:18.699 --> 00:55:22.599 something that's very not bulky and feel 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:25.239 full because we have natural satiety 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:30.489 mechanisms and this is part of you know 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:31.899 human physiology because our our we 00:55:30.489 --> 00:55:33.909 don't want to die like we don't want to 00:55:31.900 --> 00:55:36.730 stuff ourselves so much like you hear 00:55:33.909 --> 00:55:38.589 these arguments that oh you know we're 00:55:36.730 --> 00:55:40.090 genetically programmed to get fat we 00:55:38.590 --> 00:55:42.730 just eat everything in front of our face 00:55:40.090 --> 00:55:44.320 it was like you try eating that 60 ounce 00:55:42.730 --> 00:55:45.400 steak that you'll get for free if you 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.410 eat in an hour 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:50.349 they're not going out of business any 00:55:47.409 --> 00:55:53.139 time soon because there's powerful 00:55:50.349 --> 00:55:56.230 satiety mechanisms but processing does 00:55:53.139 --> 00:55:58.719 is it removes all that so you take flour 00:55:56.230 --> 00:56:00.969 so if you're to eat carbohydrates like 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.439 beans you're gonna get full even rice 00:56:00.969 --> 00:56:05.619 you're gonna get full but not as full as 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:08.619 you might think but now you take flour 00:56:05.619 --> 00:56:10.389 you take out all the fats you take out 00:56:08.619 --> 00:56:12.190 all the protein because the fat goes 00:56:10.389 --> 00:56:14.799 rancid so you don't want to cook rancid 00:56:12.190 --> 00:56:16.869 so if you take out all the fat you take 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.360 out all the protein you cut down a lot 00:56:16.869 --> 00:56:21.549 of the bulk of the fiber well you've 00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:23.500 just lost three satiety signals 00:56:21.550 --> 00:56:26.620 you've lost those stretch receptors in 00:56:23.500 --> 00:56:29.050 the stomach you've lost the the protein 00:56:26.619 --> 00:56:32.170 satiety signals and you've lost the fat 00:56:29.050 --> 00:56:34.180 satiety signals then you grind it into a 00:56:32.170 --> 00:56:36.639 fine powder because you know flour when 00:56:34.179 --> 00:56:38.319 you throw it up it's very fine you grind 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:41.589 it into a fine powder then it gets 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:43.360 absorbed super fast so just like okay 00:56:41.590 --> 00:56:45.760 and the reason people grind it up is so 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:47.470 that they can get that massive high so 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.310 now you grind it up you get this massive 00:56:47.469 --> 00:56:54.369 high when you're eating your white bread 00:56:50.309 --> 00:56:57.009 now okay so it's fine for a bit and then 00:56:54.369 --> 00:56:59.199 two hours later it crashes because 00:56:57.010 --> 00:57:01.660 you've just gone spiked up and spiked 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:03.788 down and then you want to eat a 00:57:01.659 --> 00:57:05.379 muffin because you had that bagel in the 00:57:03.789 --> 00:57:07.390 morning and it's all gone now because 00:57:05.380 --> 00:57:09.460 it's gone up and down so that's where 00:57:07.389 --> 00:57:14.618 the processing is completely different 00:57:09.460 --> 00:57:17.588 as opposed to say even like a potato if 00:57:14.619 --> 00:57:19.838 you need a baked potato it's pretty 00:57:17.588 --> 00:57:22.719 filling like hard over you does yeah 00:57:19.838 --> 00:57:24.880 it's pretty hard I mean when you process 00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.919 it when you do things like potato chips 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:31.088 and stuff in that deep fryer and that's 00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:33.700 alright yeah it changes things yeah but 00:57:31.088 --> 00:57:35.349 it's pretty difficult to eat to overeat 00:57:33.699 --> 00:57:38.788 a boiled potato like people have put 00:57:35.349 --> 00:57:42.369 gone on these potato diets and III 00:57:38.789 --> 00:57:44.079 potatoes sometimes it's pretty filling 00:57:42.369 --> 00:57:45.970 like that's why this whole meat and 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:48.760 potatoes you know sort of thing is 00:57:45.969 --> 00:57:51.098 because the me the potato is actually 00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:53.380 one of the highest foods on the satiety 00:57:51.099 --> 00:57:55.269 index so if you eat a potato calorie for 00:57:53.380 --> 00:57:56.769 calorie you will feel more full than 00:57:55.269 --> 00:57:59.949 virtually anything else 00:57:56.769 --> 00:58:02.759 hmm it's hard to overeat boiled potatoes 00:57:59.949 --> 00:58:05.500 yeah baked potatoes is kind of similar 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.930 it's it's pretty hard to overeat that 00:58:05.500 --> 00:58:09.639 but again you're activating natural 00:58:07.929 --> 00:58:11.980 satiety mechanisms like the potato is 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:14.078 pretty big it's it's gonna fill up it's 00:58:11.980 --> 00:58:16.690 gonna activate these other stretch 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:18.309 receptors it has it's almost all starch 00:58:16.690 --> 00:58:20.230 so there's very little fat very little 00:58:18.309 --> 00:58:22.329 protein but it's gonna activate other 00:58:20.230 --> 00:58:24.250 things so the Irish for example ate tons 00:58:22.329 --> 00:58:26.559 of potatoes didn't have much of a 00:58:24.250 --> 00:58:27.880 problem until recently until the 70s 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:30.400 just like everybody else 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:35.349 so there's there's a lot of things so 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:36.608 yes there's carbohydrates but what's 00:58:35.349 --> 00:58:40.660 really important is the insulin because 00:58:36.608 --> 00:58:43.750 you can eat a sort of low fat diet high 00:58:40.659 --> 00:58:45.608 in carbohydrates and still have low 00:58:43.750 --> 00:58:47.440 insulin levels and still have very 00:58:45.608 --> 00:58:49.389 little B C and that that wasn't what 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:52.059 came out in the diet fit studied so this 00:58:49.389 --> 00:58:54.429 was that study that Chris garner did a 00:58:52.059 --> 00:58:56.589 couple of weeks ago I guess it got 00:58:54.429 --> 00:58:58.358 released and what it showed was that if 00:58:56.588 --> 00:58:59.949 you take people and put on a low fat 00:58:58.358 --> 00:59:03.278 diet and a low carb diet they did 00:58:59.949 --> 00:59:07.689 roughly equally but it wasn't just any 00:59:03.278 --> 00:59:09.699 kind of low low fat diet it's not like 00:59:07.690 --> 00:59:12.909 white bread and jam sort of thing it was 00:59:09.699 --> 00:59:15.929 all unprocessed foods it was all and you 00:59:12.909 --> 00:59:19.029 see that yaki had a period of 00:59:15.929 --> 00:59:22.210 yeah yeah also you weren't supposed to 00:59:19.030 --> 00:59:24.310 eat all the time yeah and there were 00:59:22.210 --> 00:59:26.170 another farmers market yeah exactly 00:59:24.309 --> 00:59:29.320 there's a whole lot of stuff in there it 00:59:26.170 --> 00:59:32.200 wasn't like go out and eat some of some 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:34.809 pasta and white bread yeah it was this 00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:37.359 sort of healthy sort of eat lots of 00:59:34.809 --> 00:59:39.610 vegetables and you know there was a 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:41.110 whole lot of it and I was looking at 00:59:39.610 --> 00:59:43.630 that study and I was thinking that's 00:59:41.110 --> 00:59:45.519 exactly what we tell people you know 00:59:43.630 --> 00:59:47.289 unprocessed foods because it's not 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:50.349 simply about the carbohydrates we have 00:59:47.289 --> 00:59:52.210 to move past that you have to get into 00:59:50.349 --> 00:59:55.239 this sort of insulin because that's the 00:59:52.210 --> 00:59:58.030 sort of language the body speaks if 00:59:55.239 --> 01:00:00.369 you're speaking about carbs and proteins 00:59:58.030 --> 01:00:02.320 and stuff that's not really there's it's 01:00:00.369 --> 01:00:04.449 closer to but it's not exactly the 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:07.030 language that the body understands the 01:00:04.449 --> 01:00:09.759 body responds to signals which are 01:00:07.030 --> 01:00:11.890 hormones so you wanna get your insulin 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:13.930 high the body's gonna gain weight well 01:00:11.889 --> 01:00:15.789 you can eat a low fat diet you can eat 01:00:13.929 --> 01:00:17.289 low carb diet and still have the same 01:00:15.789 --> 01:00:19.360 effect on insulin so that's where I 01:00:17.289 --> 01:00:21.699 differ from some of the people in terms 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:23.559 of the carb insulin hypothesis you can 01:00:21.699 --> 01:00:25.599 eat a high protein diet for example all 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.789 meat diet you can do all of these things 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:29.799 and still get the same effect of low 01:00:27.789 --> 01:00:31.719 insulin and therefore less obesity less 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:34.019 type-2 diabetes and that's where 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:36.909 understanding the sort of physiology 01:00:34.019 --> 01:00:39.309 gets you around all these debates and 01:00:36.909 --> 01:00:42.670 you know tries to understand why people 01:00:39.309 --> 01:00:45.279 can eat different diets and still do 01:00:42.670 --> 01:00:46.599 well and and that's the that's you know 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.760 that's what I try and bring out in the 01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:53.289 books is sort of the science and the 01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:54.940 understanding to do it yeah great I have 01:00:53.289 --> 01:00:56.349 two examples of that definitely one dive 01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:57.670 into insulin especially I didn't know 01:00:56.349 --> 01:01:00.309 was discovered here in Toronto 01:00:57.670 --> 01:01:02.349 yeah super fasting but you mentioned the 01:01:00.309 --> 01:01:03.849 satiety signals at Whole Foods garner on 01:01:02.349 --> 01:01:06.069 the body and they're kind of lost in the 01:01:03.849 --> 01:01:07.119 processing of food and one example of a 01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:09.789 remedy that you talk about 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.900 I personally am very interested in this 01:01:09.789 --> 01:01:13.000 as well I've been studying it for a 01:01:10.900 --> 01:01:14.920 while its gastric bypass or bariatric 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.449 surgery in the hormonal I'm not a fan of 01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:18.820 the procedure saying that it's good for 01:01:16.449 --> 01:01:20.919 weight loss but admiring the mechanism 01:01:18.820 --> 01:01:23.920 of action through which gastric or 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:25.059 bariatric surgery affects insulin 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.680 resistance is really interesting you 01:01:25.059 --> 01:01:28.239 take a full-blown insulin dependent type 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:29.769 2 diabetic as you know 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:30.848 12 hours after the procedure they don't 01:01:29.769 --> 01:01:32.199 need insulin because they've got 01:01:30.849 --> 01:01:34.599 hormones that you mentioned are 01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.179 upregulated with whole real food are 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:39.670 super physiologic we up regular and so 01:01:37.179 --> 01:01:43.329 yeah bariatric surgery is fascinating 01:01:39.670 --> 01:01:45.250 because it's quite successful and people 01:01:43.329 --> 01:01:47.199 used to say well why does it work 01:01:45.250 --> 01:01:49.210 maybe it's because you cut out a big 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:51.159 swath of the stomach right you come in 01:01:49.210 --> 01:01:52.510 with like 90% of the stomach and 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:55.420 therefore you can't produce certain 01:01:52.510 --> 01:01:57.369 hormones well the problem with that is 01:01:55.420 --> 01:01:59.050 that you can do gastric banding where 01:01:57.369 --> 01:02:00.579 you put a sort of belt around the 01:01:59.050 --> 01:02:02.920 stomach and cinch it really tight and 01:02:00.579 --> 01:02:04.539 you get the same effect since you're not 01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:08.440 cutting out any part of the stomach then 01:02:04.539 --> 01:02:10.088 the benefits cannot be from from from 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:12.789 cutting out the stomach and the truth is 01:02:10.088 --> 01:02:15.159 that the the effect is simply a severe 01:02:12.789 --> 01:02:18.460 caloric restriction you're basically 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:21.039 putting them very close to fasting as 01:02:18.460 --> 01:02:23.230 much as you possibly can for months at a 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:25.000 time I mean they're eating so little 01:02:23.230 --> 01:02:27.190 that you're you might as well be fasting 01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.510 so fasting you know the whole point is 01:02:27.190 --> 01:02:30.010 to get your insulin down now you're not 01:02:28.510 --> 01:02:31.839 eating you can't eat because they've cut 01:02:30.010 --> 01:02:34.300 out all your stomach and they've rewired 01:02:31.838 --> 01:02:35.769 your intestines so that you you know 01:02:34.300 --> 01:02:37.810 even if you eat food it's not getting 01:02:35.769 --> 01:02:39.699 absorbed well what's gonna happen well 01:02:37.809 --> 01:02:41.650 instance gonna drop and I'm gonna keep 01:02:39.699 --> 01:02:43.179 dropping so what's gonna happen is that 01:02:41.650 --> 01:02:45.460 your body's gonna burn off all that 01:02:43.179 --> 01:02:47.710 sugar or not the sugar diabetes goes 01:02:45.460 --> 01:02:49.780 away bad as it burns off all that sugar 01:02:47.710 --> 01:02:51.670 then it's gonna burn all that fat and 01:02:49.780 --> 01:02:54.310 guess what the weight loss is very very 01:02:51.670 --> 01:02:55.750 good so the mechanism is quite easy to 01:02:54.309 --> 01:02:59.049 understand once you understand that it's 01:02:55.750 --> 01:03:00.550 really about changing the insulin which 01:02:59.050 --> 01:03:01.990 is the main hormone it's not the only 01:03:00.550 --> 01:03:05.140 hormone that's responsible for weight 01:03:01.989 --> 01:03:06.489 gain cortisol is another one but for the 01:03:05.139 --> 01:03:07.989 most part it's about insulin so that 01:03:06.489 --> 01:03:10.358 once you understand that you can see 01:03:07.989 --> 01:03:11.889 this is why Bariatrics is so affected 01:03:10.358 --> 01:03:14.108 and sometimes you say well this is 01:03:11.889 --> 01:03:16.269 really just medical Bariatrics all these 01:03:14.108 --> 01:03:18.909 fasting therapies is just medical 01:03:16.269 --> 01:03:21.519 Bariatrics and and but it's not easy 01:03:18.909 --> 01:03:25.000 it's not fun and that's really one of 01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:27.130 the things that we try to do so we have 01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:30.280 a program for this which is the 01:03:27.130 --> 01:03:33.220 intensive dietary management program and 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:36.460 people can join and we have sort of so 01:03:33.219 --> 01:03:38.439 the website is IDM program com 01:03:36.460 --> 01:03:40.858 and if you know we put out a lot of 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:44.679 stuff for free like these sort of videos 01:03:40.858 --> 01:03:46.509 and we do podcasts and blog I do weekly 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:49.239 blog post and there's lots of free stuff 01:03:46.510 --> 01:03:50.830 and if people can just get the 01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:53.379 information and there's the books either 01:03:50.829 --> 01:03:54.639 that are very inexpensive or you can 01:03:53.380 --> 01:03:57.160 take it from the library so there's a 01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:58.719 lot of information out there but 01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:01.920 sometimes people want a little bit more 01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:04.088 guidance so what we've done is we've 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:06.338 provided sort of a little bit more 01:04:04.088 --> 01:04:08.440 guidance question and the answers group 01:04:06.338 --> 01:04:10.509 fast because again it's about building 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.200 this community of people who will help 01:04:10.510 --> 01:04:13.839 each other 01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:16.480 and that's one of the secrets of any 01:04:13.838 --> 01:04:18.460 kind of behavior change is that you do 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:20.530 better in a group so whether you're 01:04:18.460 --> 01:04:23.619 looking at Weight Watchers or Alcoholics 01:04:20.530 --> 01:04:25.990 Anonymous the point is that changing 01:04:23.619 --> 01:04:27.910 behaviors is difficult to do and if you 01:04:25.989 --> 01:04:29.348 have people who will support you your 01:04:27.909 --> 01:04:31.569 success rate is going to be much much 01:04:29.349 --> 01:04:33.820 higher so we're trying to put together a 01:04:31.570 --> 01:04:37.059 community in our membership program that 01:04:33.820 --> 01:04:38.920 people can join for a fee and then get 01:04:37.059 --> 01:04:40.389 the guidance from sort of trained 01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:43.809 professionals that they need they get 01:04:40.389 --> 01:04:45.279 the sort of extra extra help that they 01:04:43.809 --> 01:04:47.289 need to do it if you can do it on your 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:49.089 own great but most people they get out 01:04:47.289 --> 01:04:50.889 that they start fasting and then some 01:04:49.088 --> 01:04:52.719 doctor tells them oh god you're gonna 01:04:50.889 --> 01:04:55.179 kill yourself and then they're done and 01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:57.159 then it's like oh but you know you could 01:04:55.179 --> 01:04:59.588 have gained so much with it and then we 01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:01.420 also have sort of an additional program 01:04:59.588 --> 01:05:03.309 where people will provide sort of small 01:05:01.420 --> 01:05:05.800 group sort of in groups of three or four 01:05:03.309 --> 01:05:06.789 of course anytime you do that it's much 01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:08.289 more expensive because you're getting 01:05:06.789 --> 01:05:10.960 sort of personalized care but at least 01:05:08.289 --> 01:05:13.150 it's available for you so there's we try 01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.159 and provide sort of everything from the 01:05:13.150 --> 01:05:18.160 free stuff to the books and the podcast 01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:20.829 and you know the stuff we're doing here 01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:23.199 the you know so that you know I hope 01:05:20.829 --> 01:05:25.210 people can just listen and do it 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:27.159 themselves but hey if you if you need 01:05:25.210 --> 01:05:28.809 some help or we're also here we can give 01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:31.629 you more help if you need it the 01:05:28.809 --> 01:05:33.460 membership site is $39 a month I think 01:05:31.630 --> 01:05:35.680 and it's like we do these group files 01:05:33.460 --> 01:05:38.230 which are very popular so that people 01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:39.879 fast all together for three or four days 01:05:38.230 --> 01:05:42.099 and it's not necessarily you do the full 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:44.349 four days maybe you do a 24-hour fast 01:05:42.099 --> 01:05:45.850 for three days or 01:05:44.349 --> 01:05:48.909 but because you're doing it with a group 01:05:45.849 --> 01:05:51.369 of sort of supportive people it's easier 01:05:48.909 --> 01:05:53.049 and then you get the benefit and and in 01:05:51.369 --> 01:05:54.969 school we understand this we call it 01:05:53.050 --> 01:05:58.539 peer pressure and it's got a negative 01:05:54.969 --> 01:06:00.159 connotation in as adults it's called 01:05:58.539 --> 01:06:01.509 peer support because it's like we're 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.579 trying to change behavior and you're 01:06:01.510 --> 01:06:06.340 joining a group to get the support that 01:06:03.579 --> 01:06:08.619 you need and guess what it's like very 01:06:06.340 --> 01:06:10.809 very important it's it's actually like 01:06:08.619 --> 01:06:12.400 it sounds like it's it's one of these 01:06:10.809 --> 01:06:14.500 kind of throw away things but it's 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.849 actually as we started doing our program 01:06:14.500 --> 01:06:18.760 we've been doing it for about five years 01:06:15.849 --> 01:06:20.679 now that was one of the sort of keys to 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:22.570 success was getting people into the 01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:24.699 small groups and into the bigger groups 01:06:22.570 --> 01:06:27.160 where people can talk about fasting 01:06:24.699 --> 01:06:30.879 without getting laughed at essentially 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:32.829 and that's been very important and then 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:35.050 I realized of course that's the whole 01:06:32.829 --> 01:06:37.989 secret of Weight Watchers or the biggest 01:06:35.050 --> 01:06:38.980 Oprah led company now but their diets 01:06:37.989 --> 01:06:41.169 nothing special 01:06:38.980 --> 01:06:43.000 it's a decent-enough diet but you could 01:06:41.170 --> 01:06:45.670 have gotten that diet anywhere right you 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:48.489 could have gone to any book and gotten 01:06:45.670 --> 01:06:51.880 that diet the secret sauce was the peer 01:06:48.489 --> 01:06:53.889 support Alcoholics Anonymous again peer 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:55.570 support being out there and we're 01:06:53.889 --> 01:06:57.969 fighting such a big fight because the 01:06:55.570 --> 01:07:01.090 the conventional dietary advice is to 01:06:57.969 --> 01:07:04.599 eat sort of eight ten times a day eat 01:07:01.090 --> 01:07:06.579 these low fat foods so we're sort of 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:08.710 swimming upstream in terms of our advice 01:07:06.579 --> 01:07:11.049 because we generally advise people to 01:07:08.710 --> 01:07:13.659 eat sort of whole unprocessed real foods 01:07:11.050 --> 01:07:15.580 often low carbs or not necessarily and 01:07:13.659 --> 01:07:17.649 then intermittent fasting whether it's 01:07:15.579 --> 01:07:19.779 less than a day or more than a day and 01:07:17.650 --> 01:07:22.539 that's where people it gets people's 01:07:19.780 --> 01:07:24.940 kind of goat up is that the in term in 01:07:22.539 --> 01:07:27.400 fasting really scares a lot of these 01:07:24.940 --> 01:07:29.050 people and then they get scared out of 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:30.760 it right away they don't have that peer 01:07:29.050 --> 01:07:33.340 support so we're trying to build that in 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:35.050 into our program and if that's what you 01:07:33.340 --> 01:07:38.559 need you know we're hopefully providing 01:07:35.050 --> 01:07:40.060 it at a fairly reasonable price I mean 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:43.840 if you're if you're skipping a meal I 01:07:40.059 --> 01:07:45.880 mean that that's like the cost of you're 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:48.730 gonna come out ahead if you do that 01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:49.990 totally that's awesome IDM program comm 01:07:48.730 --> 01:07:51.550 program 01:07:49.989 --> 01:07:53.229 the show notes in blue this video and 01:07:51.550 --> 01:07:54.490 then let's kind of finish off on the 01:07:53.230 --> 01:07:56.650 book a little bit a few things a few 01:07:54.489 --> 01:07:59.109 that I remember like they're inked in my 01:07:56.650 --> 01:08:01.450 head you can't fix a dietary disease 01:07:59.110 --> 01:08:03.369 with medicine I might box out a little 01:08:01.449 --> 01:08:05.019 bit but I think that's really important 01:08:03.369 --> 01:08:07.809 because you know a lot of people don't 01:08:05.019 --> 01:08:10.000 realize that traditional medical system 01:08:07.809 --> 01:08:11.349 like the solution and for a lot of 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.929 traditionally trained practitioners is 01:08:11.349 --> 01:08:14.980 insulin more and more insulin and what 01:08:13.929 --> 01:08:19.210 happens when you get more and more 01:08:14.980 --> 01:08:23.890 insulin yeah the problem is that type 2 01:08:19.210 --> 01:08:29.020 diabetes is he really misunderstood 01:08:23.890 --> 01:08:31.298 disease by the doctors then what they 01:08:29.020 --> 01:08:34.390 don't understand is that they're 01:08:31.298 --> 01:08:36.850 treating sort of the blood glucose well 01:08:34.390 --> 01:08:39.368 so the blood glucose or blood sugar is 01:08:36.850 --> 01:08:43.509 high so they try and get it down if you 01:08:39.368 --> 01:08:46.328 give insulin well does that get rid of 01:08:43.509 --> 01:08:48.578 the sugar and the answer is no you 01:08:46.328 --> 01:08:52.269 simply the insulin takes that sugar 01:08:48.578 --> 01:08:54.368 it simply crams it into your liver okay 01:08:52.270 --> 01:08:56.560 and then liver turns it into factor de 01:08:54.368 --> 01:08:59.288 novo lipogenesis or sends that sugars 01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:01.839 everywhere else so sugar goes into your 01:08:59.288 --> 01:09:04.238 eyes and your liver into your nerves 01:09:01.837 --> 01:09:07.600 into your legs into your heart and what 01:09:04.238 --> 01:09:09.969 happens well what happens over decades 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:11.560 is that as you keep cramming the sugar 01:09:09.970 --> 01:09:13.060 from that blood you had excess trigger 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.529 in the blood you never got rid of it but 01:09:13.060 --> 01:09:17.080 you took insulin to cram it into your 01:09:14.529 --> 01:09:19.479 body your body sort of just blows up 01:09:17.078 --> 01:09:23.318 with way too much sugar and then every 01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:25.118 part of your Anatomy just rots so you're 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:27.220 gonna go blind and you get heart attacks 01:09:25.118 --> 01:09:29.198 you get strokes and get nerve damage and 01:09:27.220 --> 01:09:30.729 get amputations you get diabetic foot 01:09:29.198 --> 01:09:33.189 infections and it's like why do 01:09:30.729 --> 01:09:36.189 diabetics get infections that nobody 01:09:33.189 --> 01:09:38.078 else in the whole world gets go is there 01:09:36.189 --> 01:09:40.000 sugar there's so much sugar sitting 01:09:38.078 --> 01:09:42.488 around in that foot then you get 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:46.509 infections like yeast infections that 01:09:42.488 --> 01:09:49.568 love the sugar and it's crazy because 01:09:46.509 --> 01:09:51.779 what it means is that type 2 diabetes is 01:09:49.569 --> 01:09:54.789 essentially being treated completely 01:09:51.779 --> 01:09:57.070 incorrectly we're treating the blood 01:09:54.789 --> 01:10:00.220 glucose so we know the blood glucose is 01:09:57.069 --> 01:10:02.289 high because of the type 2 diabetes but 01:10:00.220 --> 01:10:05.470 the blood glucose is not the disease 01:10:02.289 --> 01:10:08.170 the symptom so if you treat the symptom 01:10:05.470 --> 01:10:09.490 but don't treat the disease then you're 01:10:08.170 --> 01:10:11.859 not going to get anywhere it's 01:10:09.489 --> 01:10:14.439 symptomatic treatment and that's the 01:10:11.859 --> 01:10:16.449 real problem we are treating the symptom 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:18.879 and pretending like that's the real 01:10:16.449 --> 01:10:21.069 disease so yes we got the blood glucose 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:23.140 down have you treated the type 2 01:10:21.069 --> 01:10:26.380 diabetes with your insulin and the 01:10:23.140 --> 01:10:28.000 answer is no well everybody knows that 01:10:26.380 --> 01:10:28.539 if you lose weight your diabetes gets 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.739 better 01:10:28.539 --> 01:10:34.119 so insulin makes you gain weight so 01:10:31.739 --> 01:10:36.729 right your diabetes not getting better 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.800 it's getting worse and the whole point 01:10:36.729 --> 01:10:41.109 is that you simply can't take the sugar 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:42.520 in your blood and cram it away where you 01:10:41.109 --> 01:10:45.609 can't see it and pretend you're better 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:49.180 you got to get rid of that sugar so in 01:10:45.609 --> 01:10:51.789 essence the simplest way to understand 01:10:49.180 --> 01:10:54.100 type-2 diabetes is that there's just too 01:10:51.789 --> 01:10:57.039 much sugar in the body the body is 01:10:54.100 --> 01:10:58.930 overfilled with sugar well if it's 01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:00.819 overfilled with sugar then you just 01:10:58.930 --> 01:11:03.520 gotta get rid of the sugar what do you 01:11:00.819 --> 01:11:07.359 do 1 don't put more sugar in eat a low 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:10.530 carbohydrate diet and number 2 burn it 01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:13.539 all off and that's intermittent fasting 01:11:10.529 --> 01:11:16.960 so what we've done is we've taken this 01:11:13.539 --> 01:11:18.720 dietary disease and instead of treating 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:21.369 the root cause of it which is the diet 01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:23.289 we're eating too much too much 01:11:21.369 --> 01:11:25.420 carbohydrates predominantly because we 01:11:23.289 --> 01:11:28.630 were told to and we're eating too too 01:11:25.420 --> 01:11:30.369 many times too frequently but what we've 01:11:28.630 --> 01:11:34.329 done is instead of treating the actual 01:11:30.369 --> 01:11:35.739 cause of it we tried to drug it we're 01:11:34.329 --> 01:11:38.409 trying to drug these people back to 01:11:35.739 --> 01:11:39.849 health then we're not treating what was 01:11:38.409 --> 01:11:42.250 the actual problem in the first place 01:11:39.850 --> 01:11:45.100 and then we wonder why is everybody 01:11:42.250 --> 01:11:48.760 getting worse in the worst part is that 01:11:45.100 --> 01:11:51.550 the answer that most specialist 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:53.590 researchers give is that type 2 diabetes 01:11:51.550 --> 01:11:56.199 is just like that it's a chronic and 01:11:53.590 --> 01:11:57.610 progressive disease it's like no it's 01:11:56.199 --> 01:12:00.159 chronic and progressive because you 01:11:57.609 --> 01:12:02.739 treated it completely wrong the disease 01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:04.539 is actually reversible we know that 01:12:02.739 --> 01:12:05.529 anybody who loses weight the diabetes 01:12:04.539 --> 01:12:08.319 refers to as we knew that from 01:12:05.529 --> 01:12:10.869 Bariatrics you can take the most severe 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:13.210 type 2 diabetic and within 2 weeks 01:12:10.869 --> 01:12:14.159 they'll be off of all their insulin for 01:12:13.210 --> 01:12:15.810 example 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:19.139 because they're basically burning it all 01:12:15.810 --> 01:12:20.789 off because they're fasting it's not 01:12:19.140 --> 01:12:22.710 really hard to understand if you don't 01:12:20.789 --> 01:12:24.420 eat you're gonna burn off that sugar 01:12:22.710 --> 01:12:25.649 your blood sugar will drop if your blood 01:12:24.420 --> 01:12:27.449 sugar drops you don't need to take 01:12:25.649 --> 01:12:29.250 insulin well that's not so hard to 01:12:27.449 --> 01:12:31.970 understand but now you're dealing with 01:12:29.250 --> 01:12:34.859 the actual problem of sugar overload as 01:12:31.970 --> 01:12:38.750 opposed to trying to give more insulin 01:12:34.859 --> 01:12:43.229 so here we have a situation which is 01:12:38.750 --> 01:12:45.869 sort of mind-boggling that 99% of 01:12:43.229 --> 01:12:49.139 diabetics type 2 diabetics in this 01:12:45.869 --> 01:12:52.500 country in this world are actually being 01:12:49.140 --> 01:12:55.230 treated I think completely incorrectly 01:12:52.500 --> 01:12:55.920 and that's why since everybody's getting 01:12:55.229 --> 01:12:57.719 worse 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.310 the doctors say well it's chronic and 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.240 progressive because I gave them insulin 01:12:59.310 --> 01:13:02.130 and they got worse 01:13:00.239 --> 01:13:05.279 so therefore the disease must be like 01:13:02.130 --> 01:13:08.010 that yet at the same time knowing that 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:09.689 this disease cannot possibly like that 01:13:08.010 --> 01:13:11.640 because we just proved it with our 01:13:09.689 --> 01:13:14.250 bariatric surgery that we could take 01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:15.900 this guy do something to him which is 01:13:14.250 --> 01:13:19.010 basically fast them for like three 01:13:15.899 --> 01:13:21.779 months and make him completely better 01:13:19.010 --> 01:13:24.420 everybody who has type 2 diabetes is 01:13:21.779 --> 01:13:27.809 reversible except up until the very late 01:13:24.420 --> 01:13:30.119 stage that's a fact that we've sort of 01:13:27.810 --> 01:13:32.940 proven with our bariatric surgery and 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:35.760 it's a fact that we already knew because 01:13:32.939 --> 01:13:37.739 we know that if your friend loses 50 01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:40.739 pounds he's gonna get off his diabetic 01:13:37.739 --> 01:13:42.899 medication no doctors gonna say oh I 01:13:40.739 --> 01:13:46.409 wonder why that happened it's like well 01:13:42.899 --> 01:13:48.059 obviously right but so we know this for 01:13:46.409 --> 01:13:49.710 a fact that it's a reversible disease 01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:50.640 yet we pretend it's chronic from 01:13:49.710 --> 01:13:52.289 progressive because we've been doing 01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:56.250 such a bad job because we've been using 01:13:52.289 --> 01:13:57.479 the wrong treatment interesting when in 01:13:56.250 --> 01:13:59.039 your career so you've been practicing 01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:01.229 medicine for over 20 years right about 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:02.850 20 years and you talked about in the 01:14:01.229 --> 01:14:04.619 book like I know how to make people fat 01:14:02.850 --> 01:14:06.960 you know you're in some system give them 01:14:04.619 --> 01:14:09.090 insulin at what point did you see enough 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:10.560 patients gain more and more weight when 01:14:09.090 --> 01:14:12.869 you were falling the standard of care 01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:16.860 that you said this can't be right well 01:14:12.869 --> 01:14:19.829 it was it took a little time yeah dogmas 01:14:16.859 --> 01:14:21.569 very hard to break and interestingly it 01:14:19.829 --> 01:14:23.789 was the patients who all knew they're 01:14:21.569 --> 01:14:25.869 all like you know you gave me insulin 01:14:23.789 --> 01:14:28.390 I'm gaining weight like crazy here 01:14:25.869 --> 01:14:30.760 like how is that good and the answer is 01:14:28.390 --> 01:14:32.560 it wasn't good but I didn't know the 01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:36.010 answer so I said well you know it's just 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:37.420 the way it is I mean that's that's what 01:14:36.010 --> 01:14:40.770 I said that's what everyone else said 01:14:37.420 --> 01:14:42.940 too but at some point I mean it was 01:14:40.770 --> 01:14:44.980 2008-2009 that we started getting some 01:14:42.939 --> 01:14:47.409 of the data that really showed that 01:14:44.979 --> 01:14:49.750 giving insulin is not a good idea to 01:14:47.409 --> 01:14:53.529 type two diabetics which when you look 01:14:49.750 --> 01:14:55.479 back at it is completely sort of 01:14:53.529 --> 01:14:59.590 rational that is we know in type 2 01:14:55.479 --> 01:15:02.529 diabetes that insulin levels are high so 01:14:59.590 --> 01:15:04.510 why are you giving more insulin I mean 01:15:02.529 --> 01:15:06.369 isn't that like giving alcohol to an 01:15:04.510 --> 01:15:08.800 alcoholic how do you think they're gonna 01:15:06.369 --> 01:15:10.930 get better if you give alcohol to an 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:13.390 alcoholic they're they're shaking might 01:15:10.930 --> 01:15:16.570 get better but their alcoholism which is 01:15:13.390 --> 01:15:18.579 the actual disease gets worse so it's 01:15:16.569 --> 01:15:20.199 the same thing you give insulin to 01:15:18.579 --> 01:15:22.779 somebody has too much insulin the blood 01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:23.439 sugar gets better but the diabetes gets 01:15:22.779 --> 01:15:25.809 worse 01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:29.049 and that's what we've been doing we've 01:15:25.810 --> 01:15:33.490 been treating these addicts with heroin 01:15:29.050 --> 01:15:35.500 it's like oh my god and what's scary is 01:15:33.489 --> 01:15:38.739 that people are still doing it today 01:15:35.500 --> 01:15:43.359 right now and pretending it's the right 01:15:38.739 --> 01:15:46.029 treatment it's like oh okay well that's 01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:47.649 not a good there's a lot a good idea and 01:15:46.029 --> 01:15:49.300 there's like no wonder everybody's 01:15:47.649 --> 01:15:50.769 getting worse no wonder the health of 01:15:49.300 --> 01:15:54.520 the nation is getting worse because 01:15:50.770 --> 01:15:56.230 we've sort of focused on the wrong sort 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:59.050 of quadrant which is we think it's a 01:15:56.229 --> 01:16:00.969 drug problem but it's a diet problem we 01:15:59.050 --> 01:16:02.920 took type 1 diabetes which is where 01:16:00.970 --> 01:16:05.530 insulin very low so if insulin is very 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:08.710 low then give insulin that's a good 01:16:05.529 --> 01:16:10.389 treatment citizens very high don't give 01:16:08.710 --> 01:16:12.100 insulin that's not a good treatment yeah 01:16:10.390 --> 01:16:13.480 you know ladies you said not solving the 01:16:12.100 --> 01:16:15.850 root cause of the problem it's not an 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:18.399 insulin deficiency syndrome as type 1 01:16:15.850 --> 01:16:19.990 diabetes is you have two receptor gosh 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.189 we could go on and talk all about this 01:16:19.989 --> 01:16:23.050 stuff I really want to commend you for 01:16:21.189 --> 01:16:25.239 all your great work both the books the 01:16:23.050 --> 01:16:27.010 obesity code really changed my mind on a 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:29.289 lot of different things particularly 01:16:27.010 --> 01:16:31.390 that the time the latency how long 01:16:29.289 --> 01:16:32.800 someone has been overweight that that 01:16:31.390 --> 01:16:34.030 it's going to affect their weight loss 01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:35.980 and I think that's something that people 01:16:34.029 --> 01:16:38.229 really need to think about you know 01:16:35.979 --> 01:16:39.849 because if they see the lean purse 01:16:38.229 --> 01:16:41.439 and get shredded for spring break and 01:16:39.850 --> 01:16:44.470 like why I want to do that but they've 01:16:41.439 --> 01:16:45.909 been overweight for 35 years so we need 01:16:44.470 --> 01:16:47.770 to be realized and that calorie three 01:16:45.909 --> 01:16:50.949 theories simply can't explain that 01:16:47.770 --> 01:16:54.520 because the calorie theory would say 01:16:50.949 --> 01:16:57.579 that if you've been overweight for ten 01:16:54.520 --> 01:17:00.880 years or ten days it's the same yeah you 01:16:57.579 --> 01:17:03.609 create that caloric deficit and you're 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:05.650 both is a lose weight yeah and everybody 01:17:03.609 --> 01:17:07.988 knows that's not gonna happen right 01:17:05.649 --> 01:17:09.579 and yet we pretend oh yeah of course of 01:17:07.988 --> 01:17:10.988 course it's all about calories it's like 01:17:09.579 --> 01:17:12.488 what are you like do you live in the 01:17:10.988 --> 01:17:15.519 real world like do you actually treat 01:17:12.488 --> 01:17:17.889 people because everybody knows that that 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:20.020 guy who's been overweight for thirty 01:17:17.890 --> 01:17:24.010 years that those pounds ain't coming off 01:17:20.020 --> 01:17:26.200 yeah like in ten days like like like the 01:17:24.010 --> 01:17:28.869 20 year old who gained a few pounds from 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:30.760 a few beers at spring break right so 01:17:28.869 --> 01:17:31.809 yeah absolutely that's that's that's the 01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:34.000 key to understanding and the 01:17:31.810 --> 01:17:36.910 physiologies all been there but it's 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:42.069 been sort of distorted by all of this 01:17:36.909 --> 01:17:44.340 sort of you know other interests like 01:17:42.069 --> 01:17:47.439 particularly food companies for example 01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:51.039 sugary beverage companies who want the 01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:54.099 calorie theory to be correct and this is 01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:57.220 one of the things that you know we're 01:17:54.100 --> 01:17:59.710 really looking to get into is sort of 01:17:57.220 --> 01:18:03.640 advocacy to get the sort of conflicts of 01:17:59.710 --> 01:18:06.130 interest out of medicine having been in 01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:09.280 medicine I realized that there's 01:18:06.130 --> 01:18:11.980 actually all these problems like there's 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:14.050 not just pharmaceuticals but you know 01:18:11.979 --> 01:18:16.500 the research so we all pretend we live 01:18:14.050 --> 01:18:20.170 in this world of evidence-based medicine 01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:23.560 the problem is if all the met if all the 01:18:20.170 --> 01:18:25.690 evidence is corrupt then evidence-based 01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:27.489 medicine is also going to be corrupt so 01:18:25.689 --> 01:18:29.019 if all your evidence is produced by 01:18:27.488 --> 01:18:31.659 pharmaceuticals is produced by people 01:18:29.020 --> 01:18:34.120 getting paid by the sugar industry for 01:18:31.659 --> 01:18:36.510 example well you're gonna think sugar is 01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:39.670 fine and we have studies that prove that 01:18:36.510 --> 01:18:42.520 a funded study so if you fund a study 01:18:39.670 --> 01:18:45.039 then you're like something like six to 01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:47.320 ten times more likely to finding result 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:50.590 favoring your sponsor well that's just 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:51.969 human nature so we have a guy in Toronto 01:18:50.590 --> 01:18:54.369 a dr. Stephen Piper 01:18:51.970 --> 01:18:56.260 who is out there all the time saying 01:18:54.369 --> 01:18:58.899 sugars good fructose is good it's like a 01:18:56.260 --> 01:19:01.150 health food like okay that's really dumb 01:18:58.899 --> 01:19:03.189 that's what I'm thinking and then of 01:19:01.149 --> 01:19:05.199 course in the newspaper in the National 01:19:03.189 --> 01:19:06.789 Post last year which is our national 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:08.439 newspaper it's like oh yeah he takes 01:19:06.789 --> 01:19:10.479 hundreds of thousands of dollars from 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.729 the sugar industry coca-cola and 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:15.549 everybody I'm like okay makes sense well 01:19:12.729 --> 01:19:17.169 here's this makes total sense and here's 01:19:15.550 --> 01:19:19.930 the sugar industry funding the 01:19:17.170 --> 01:19:21.850 University of Toronto which is happily 01:19:19.930 --> 01:19:24.789 taking all this cash they're taking all 01:19:21.850 --> 01:19:28.240 this money and producing shoddy research 01:19:24.789 --> 01:19:31.269 it's like I don't blame the sugar 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:33.369 company the sugar company or the 01:19:31.270 --> 01:19:36.870 pharmaceutical or the big food company I 01:19:33.369 --> 01:19:39.970 don't blame them at all because their 01:19:36.869 --> 01:19:42.729 responsibility is to sell sugary 01:19:39.970 --> 01:19:45.310 beverage that's their responsibility to 01:19:42.729 --> 01:19:47.919 the company to their shareholders that's 01:19:45.310 --> 01:19:50.950 their whole goal it's out there coke is 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:55.029 there to sell coke that's his job the 01:19:50.949 --> 01:19:58.000 problem is that we allow coke to pay the 01:19:55.029 --> 01:20:01.509 University of Toronto millions of 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:05.560 dollars to produce crappy research why 01:20:01.510 --> 01:20:10.420 do we allow that if you give a New York 01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:13.120 City policeman a cold drink he could get 01:20:10.420 --> 01:20:16.960 fired because it's a conflict of 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:20.140 interest if you give the judge sort of a 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:23.199 slice of pizza he or she could get fired 01:20:20.140 --> 01:20:25.570 for taking that slice of pizza and we 01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:27.760 all say of course you can't bribe a 01:20:25.569 --> 01:20:31.090 judge whether it's a slice of pizza or a 01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:34.329 car it's the same principle mmm the 01:20:31.090 --> 01:20:35.860 reciprocity exactly because when I give 01:20:34.329 --> 01:20:36.880 you something you're gonna feel better 01:20:35.859 --> 01:20:39.869 towards me 01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:42.069 that's all human nature so we say okay I 01:20:39.869 --> 01:20:44.529 understand this everybody understands 01:20:42.069 --> 01:20:46.929 this so therefore you are not nobody is 01:20:44.529 --> 01:20:50.529 allowed to give policeman nobody's 01:20:46.930 --> 01:20:52.720 allowed to give judges anything but we 01:20:50.529 --> 01:20:54.279 say oh yeah if you're a big company you 01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:56.470 can give doctors however much money you 01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:58.439 want so you look at a journal like the 01:20:56.470 --> 01:21:01.889 Journal of the American car 01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:03.539 College of Cardiology and the editors 01:21:01.889 --> 01:21:07.170 which decide which journals got 01:21:03.539 --> 01:21:11.310 published you know what everything is 01:21:07.170 --> 01:21:14.190 on average they're taking each over four 01:21:11.310 --> 01:21:17.039 hundred thousand dollars a year from 01:21:14.189 --> 01:21:18.928 companies and it's like okay I don't 01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:21.179 blame the company the company if it if 01:21:18.929 --> 01:21:23.369 it means selling more stuff that's what 01:21:21.179 --> 01:21:26.639 they should be doing the question is why 01:21:23.369 --> 01:21:28.408 do we allow that to happen when it 01:21:26.639 --> 01:21:31.319 doesn't apply to anybody else 01:21:28.408 --> 01:21:33.269 you can't give four hundred thousand 01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:35.609 dollars to a New York Times journalist 01:21:33.270 --> 01:21:38.670 they will get fired by the New York 01:21:35.609 --> 01:21:40.289 Times they will absolutely get fired you 01:21:38.670 --> 01:21:42.389 can't go to some company 01:21:40.289 --> 01:21:45.810 I'll call big companies have this rule I 01:21:42.389 --> 01:21:48.060 can't go to the Brant bank manager and 01:21:45.810 --> 01:21:50.250 say oh hey here's ten thousand bucks 01:21:48.060 --> 01:21:53.060 he's gonna give me a loan right he's 01:21:50.250 --> 01:21:57.329 gonna get fired or she's gonna get fired 01:21:53.060 --> 01:22:00.389 everywhere and in in we know this we put 01:21:57.329 --> 01:22:04.109 rules on it but yet when it comes to our 01:22:00.389 --> 01:22:06.929 health we say hey dr. Stephen Piper you 01:22:04.109 --> 01:22:09.448 can take here's a couple here's $500,000 01:22:06.929 --> 01:22:12.029 just do some research on why sugar is 01:22:09.448 --> 01:22:13.469 good for you and he produces it and then 01:22:12.029 --> 01:22:15.719 people come out and say well the 01:22:13.469 --> 01:22:18.270 evidence says that sugar is good for us 01:22:15.719 --> 01:22:21.689 it's like isn't that the most ridiculous 01:22:18.270 --> 01:22:23.550 situation you've ever heard this is one 01:22:21.689 --> 01:22:25.408 of the things that really has to get out 01:22:23.550 --> 01:22:28.079 there because if you have differences of 01:22:25.408 --> 01:22:29.729 opinion between scientists that's fine 01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:31.050 that's how science works everybody has a 01:22:29.729 --> 01:22:32.908 different opinion I don't mind that's a 01:22:31.050 --> 01:22:35.789 look the vegans have a different opinion 01:22:32.908 --> 01:22:37.710 than I do that's fine the problem is 01:22:35.789 --> 01:22:39.479 when you get all these sort of 01:22:37.710 --> 01:22:42.029 commercial interests in it but it's not 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:44.579 a problem for the commercial interests I 01:22:42.029 --> 01:22:46.170 mean the drug companies they're allowed 01:22:44.579 --> 01:22:48.090 to do it so they should do it and they 01:22:46.170 --> 01:22:51.179 will do it because that's what they are 01:22:48.090 --> 01:22:54.360 stated their stated goal is the stated 01:22:51.179 --> 01:22:56.969 goal is to sell more drug right what we 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:59.519 have to do is we have to be on our you 01:22:56.969 --> 01:23:02.130 know political you have to get political 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:04.340 and really say okay we shouldn't 01:23:02.130 --> 01:23:08.039 allowing any of this anybody who teaches 01:23:04.340 --> 01:23:09.690 students medical students teaches at the 01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:11.449 university it's not allowed to take 01:23:09.689 --> 01:23:15.539 money like 01:23:11.449 --> 01:23:17.460 it seems like a no-brainer yeah 01:23:15.539 --> 01:23:20.010 they take hundreds of thousands of 01:23:17.460 --> 01:23:24.180 dollars every single one of them these 01:23:20.010 --> 01:23:26.220 programs that the the pharmaceuticals 01:23:24.180 --> 01:23:27.960 put out they pay a doctor fifteen 01:23:26.220 --> 01:23:31.050 hundred dollars to give an hour-long 01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:32.819 talk lots of doctors do it the more 01:23:31.050 --> 01:23:35.670 prominent the more money they get they 01:23:32.819 --> 01:23:38.250 pay editors of large journals like 01:23:35.670 --> 01:23:40.800 hundreds of thousands of dollars each to 01:23:38.250 --> 01:23:42.930 get their research into it the studies 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:45.210 are all produced by drug companies and 01:23:42.930 --> 01:23:47.600 we know that if that's the case then 01:23:45.210 --> 01:23:50.340 it's more far more likely to be biased 01:23:47.600 --> 01:23:52.440 and then and the whole thing and people 01:23:50.340 --> 01:23:56.100 complain about oh you know it's big 01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:59.099 sugar and big tobacco and big meat it's 01:23:56.100 --> 01:24:02.539 like that's the first thing we should be 01:23:59.100 --> 01:24:05.820 doing this saying we need new rules 01:24:02.539 --> 01:24:08.760 nobody's allowed to pay university 01:24:05.819 --> 01:24:10.469 professors any kind of money you want to 01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:12.449 be a university professor you want the 01:24:10.470 --> 01:24:15.210 privilege of teaching medical students 01:24:12.449 --> 01:24:18.269 you get paid by the university you don't 01:24:15.210 --> 01:24:20.970 get paid by anybody else if you want to 01:24:18.270 --> 01:24:23.550 write guidelines clinical guidelines for 01:24:20.970 --> 01:24:25.860 diabetes clinical guidelines for Dietary 01:24:23.550 --> 01:24:27.960 Guidelines whatever it is anybody who 01:24:25.859 --> 01:24:29.909 writes any kind of guideline is not 01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:32.250 allowed to take money from anybody 01:24:29.909 --> 01:24:34.050 because doctors are the worst because 01:24:32.250 --> 01:24:36.659 they take lots of money from everybody 01:24:34.050 --> 01:24:39.480 and they think that just disclosing it 01:24:36.659 --> 01:24:42.329 is fine it's like I don't care if you 01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:43.739 say it don't do it you can't you don't 01:24:42.329 --> 01:24:46.260 have a judge out there saying oh yeah 01:24:43.739 --> 01:24:50.099 I've been paid by this this this this 01:24:46.260 --> 01:24:52.380 and that so you go to these lectures and 01:24:50.100 --> 01:24:56.390 they're terrible because you get we have 01:24:52.380 --> 01:24:58.680 financial disclosure slides and so 01:24:56.390 --> 01:25:00.150 anytime you go to any lecture somebody 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:02.460 will flash up a slide and there's like 01:25:00.149 --> 01:25:05.009 15 drug companies on it that he's been 01:25:02.460 --> 01:25:07.739 paid by he goes and he'll always say 01:25:05.010 --> 01:25:09.630 something like I'm not biased because 01:25:07.739 --> 01:25:13.319 I'm paid by everybody and every laughs 01:25:09.630 --> 01:25:15.119 I'm thinking oh my god yeah you guys 01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:18.149 don't even know how crooked the whole 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:21.390 situation is because in any other sphere 01:25:18.149 --> 01:25:23.670 of life it would be completely 01:25:21.390 --> 01:25:26.610 unacceptable would it be acceptable for 01:25:23.670 --> 01:25:30.480 your child's teacher to be getting money 01:25:26.609 --> 01:25:34.710 from their nose wallah yeah absolutely 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:36.389 not right absolutely 100% not you would 01:25:34.710 --> 01:25:39.060 never stand for it I would never stand 01:25:36.390 --> 01:25:42.410 for it if I knew my teacher my child's 01:25:39.060 --> 01:25:46.680 teacher was being paid by coke and hey 01:25:42.409 --> 01:25:52.229 teaches them that coke is okay but yet 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:54.840 coke can pay dr. Steven Piper lots of 01:25:52.229 --> 01:25:56.429 money to come out and say hey sugars 01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:58.560 good for you then he teaches to the 01:25:56.430 --> 01:26:01.350 medical students hey sugar it's good for 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:03.030 you which teaches you yeah that sugar is 01:26:01.350 --> 01:26:07.850 good for you and then you get diabetes 01:26:03.029 --> 01:26:10.679 and die it's like that's very wrong 01:26:07.850 --> 01:26:12.210 there's something very wrong there and 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:15.420 that's one of the things I really have 01:26:12.210 --> 01:26:18.060 to really have to you know get the rules 01:26:15.420 --> 01:26:20.310 changed not because they're stricter 01:26:18.060 --> 01:26:23.789 than anybody else we need the rules same 01:26:20.310 --> 01:26:26.370 rules as everybody else and and and and 01:26:23.789 --> 01:26:28.500 the health of the sort of whole nation 01:26:26.369 --> 01:26:31.439 sort of depends on it we have so many of 01:26:28.500 --> 01:26:32.069 these researchers that are just on the 01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.710 payroll 01:26:32.069 --> 01:26:36.899 it's like publishing biased so it's kind 01:26:34.710 --> 01:26:38.670 of a partying note here how do you look 01:26:36.899 --> 01:26:40.920 at research then now to try and look at 01:26:38.670 --> 01:26:42.859 it more objectively with the idea that 01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:47.210 this could be funded in a different way 01:26:42.859 --> 01:26:50.849 yeah it's really hard that's why most 01:26:47.210 --> 01:26:52.109 most people who have understand 01:26:50.850 --> 01:26:57.300 evidence-based medicine 01:26:52.109 --> 01:27:00.449 think it's completely crap so there's 01:26:57.300 --> 01:27:02.190 guys like there's a former 01:27:00.449 --> 01:27:05.970 editor-in-chief of the New England 01:27:02.189 --> 01:27:09.449 Journal of Medicine land said these are 01:27:05.970 --> 01:27:11.430 the two sort of most prominent medical 01:27:09.449 --> 01:27:13.289 journals in the world who have both said 01:27:11.430 --> 01:27:15.740 yeah after like 20 years of being in the 01:27:13.289 --> 01:27:18.300 business I realized that it's all crap 01:27:15.739 --> 01:27:20.159 most of what we publish is not true 01:27:18.300 --> 01:27:24.659 there's this replication bias you know 01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:26.279 where people try and try and juice up 01:27:24.659 --> 01:27:28.500 their findings so that it gets in 01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:30.210 newspapers and then when they were 01:27:28.500 --> 01:27:32.369 trying to replicate the study it's like 01:27:30.210 --> 01:27:34.710 oh it wasn't true at all 01:27:32.369 --> 01:27:36.930 they only got the result because they 01:27:34.710 --> 01:27:39.600 were trying to find a result to get in 01:27:36.930 --> 01:27:41.880 the newspaper sort of thing so anybody 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:44.880 who actually understands evidence-based 01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:46.440 medicine so you know that these are the 01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:49.140 sort of that the editors and chief the 01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:52.259 guys who have been there and done that 01:27:49.140 --> 01:27:53.820 and lived that life they've all 01:27:52.260 --> 01:27:56.340 basically turned their back and said 01:27:53.819 --> 01:27:59.729 it's all just crap now and it's not that 01:27:56.340 --> 01:28:02.789 the idea is bad it's a good idea but 01:27:59.729 --> 01:28:06.959 what you have to do is say get all the 01:28:02.789 --> 01:28:10.529 commercial interests out of science you 01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:14.069 can't have a drug company doing a study 01:28:10.529 --> 01:28:16.800 on their own drug and saying this is the 01:28:14.069 --> 01:28:18.269 best thing since sliced bread everybody 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:19.710 should do it and anybody who doesn't do 01:28:18.270 --> 01:28:22.020 it is some Luddite who doesn't 01:28:19.710 --> 01:28:24.119 understand evidence-based medicine it's 01:28:22.020 --> 01:28:25.080 like okay but there's something really 01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:27.989 wrong here 01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:32.760 if the heroing company is saying look at 01:28:27.989 --> 01:28:34.529 this study heroin everybody and and then 01:28:32.760 --> 01:28:36.270 came out and taught the doctors and gave 01:28:34.529 --> 01:28:38.069 doc there's hundreds of thousands of 01:28:36.270 --> 01:28:42.200 dollars to teach medical students that 01:28:38.069 --> 01:28:45.179 heroin is good for you we'd say buddy 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:47.279 that study was funded by the heroin 01:28:45.180 --> 01:28:49.530 company you can't trust it but when we 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:54.109 say oh that study was funded by the drug 01:28:49.529 --> 01:29:00.059 company we're like yay it's like like 01:28:54.109 --> 01:29:03.689 logic is just like I'm like kind of 01:29:00.060 --> 01:29:06.210 appalled sort of yeah with how how 01:29:03.689 --> 01:29:08.869 everything is developed in medicine and 01:29:06.210 --> 01:29:12.750 that logic seems to sort of play no role 01:29:08.869 --> 01:29:15.119 in in what we do that is you can't allow 01:29:12.750 --> 01:29:17.189 drug companies to do their own study and 01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:19.559 then tout their own horn and then 01:29:17.189 --> 01:29:21.569 dictate how we do medicine yeah that's 01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:24.810 great like you've given up you've given 01:29:21.569 --> 01:29:27.210 it up and why because our leaders our 01:29:24.810 --> 01:29:31.080 University professors are all on the 01:29:27.210 --> 01:29:32.730 payroll it's crazy yeah it's a great 01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:34.890 book about biases 01:29:32.729 --> 01:29:37.589 decisive by the heath brothers Dan and 01:29:34.890 --> 01:29:39.349 chippy and so I just noticed that I you 01:29:37.590 --> 01:29:41.659 know it's a someone who's been in 01:29:39.349 --> 01:29:43.610 and the beneficiary of fasting and the 01:29:41.658 --> 01:29:45.170 ketogenic diet I'm very biased Pro that 01:29:43.609 --> 01:29:47.210 but now when I read research I try and 01:29:45.170 --> 01:29:49.520 really be aware of that because you find 01:29:47.210 --> 01:29:51.469 yourself seeking out more of the same so 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:52.880 human nature were very very biased 01:29:51.469 --> 01:29:56.000 creature so you can see how this could 01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:57.949 happen but but if in terms of like kind 01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.328 of a parting piece of advice like the 01:29:57.948 --> 01:30:00.919 biggest health issue do you think that's 01:29:59.328 --> 01:30:02.389 one of them that the so-called 01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:04.908 evidence-based medicine is really 01:30:02.389 --> 01:30:08.599 industry funded and yeah I think that 01:30:04.908 --> 01:30:11.750 there's sort of a couple of things I 01:30:08.599 --> 01:30:14.449 mean there's from from a health 01:30:11.750 --> 01:30:16.429 standpoint honestly its metabolic 01:30:14.448 --> 01:30:18.529 syndrome obesity type 2 diabetes that's 01:30:16.429 --> 01:30:19.069 clearly going to be the issue of our 01:30:18.529 --> 01:30:22.399 times 01:30:19.069 --> 01:30:25.158 yeah it's killing tons of people carting 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:26.839 fast or disease stroke cancer those are 01:30:25.158 --> 01:30:28.429 the biggest sort of three killers of 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:31.699 Americans and they're all sort of 01:30:28.429 --> 01:30:35.710 metabolic problems so the the sort of 01:30:31.698 --> 01:30:38.689 that's sort of the biggest problem and 01:30:35.710 --> 01:30:41.929 going to the sort of standard medical 01:30:38.689 --> 01:30:44.509 dogma is not great for the related issue 01:30:41.929 --> 01:30:46.550 of a lot of bias and medicine research 01:30:44.510 --> 01:30:49.190 the good news is that you have you can 01:30:46.550 --> 01:30:51.050 take control of your own health you know 01:30:49.189 --> 01:30:53.299 through understanding like what we're 01:30:51.050 --> 01:30:55.550 talking about do the cutting out 01:30:53.300 --> 01:30:57.739 processed foods reducing the number of 01:30:55.550 --> 01:31:00.829 times that you eat intermittent fasting 01:30:57.738 --> 01:31:03.408 and sort of regain sort of 90% of your 01:31:00.828 --> 01:31:04.819 house from the good news from a patient 01:31:03.408 --> 01:31:06.948 perspective is that yes you can do 01:31:04.819 --> 01:31:11.179 something about right now the larger 01:31:06.948 --> 01:31:14.059 societal issue is exactly that to get 01:31:11.179 --> 01:31:17.199 the bias out of medical science because 01:31:14.060 --> 01:31:20.510 the reason that medical science is 01:31:17.198 --> 01:31:24.549 hopelessly bad is that there's just too 01:31:20.510 --> 01:31:27.860 much bias so if you look back at the 01:31:24.550 --> 01:31:30.800 1970s the obesity goes from very little 01:31:27.859 --> 01:31:34.569 to very high so we're worse than we were 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:39.289 in 1970 yeah if you look at technology 01:31:34.569 --> 01:31:42.078 in the 1970s computer is like the size 01:31:39.289 --> 01:31:44.210 of this room it has like you know a 01:31:42.078 --> 01:31:47.389 tenth of the computing power of my 01:31:44.210 --> 01:31:52.189 iPhone it's like that's the power of 01:31:47.389 --> 01:31:53.090 human ingenuity in nutrition we've gone 01:31:52.189 --> 01:31:56.059 backwards 01:31:53.090 --> 01:31:58.190 we've gone we would have gone from the 01:31:56.060 --> 01:32:00.860 computer the size of this room to a 01:31:58.189 --> 01:32:03.649 computer the size of this entire code 01:32:00.859 --> 01:32:06.409 language yeah it's ridiculous hmm and 01:32:03.649 --> 01:32:08.299 it's because there's too much bias we 01:32:06.409 --> 01:32:10.220 get people saying that sugars good for 01:32:08.300 --> 01:32:12.619 you I mean tobacco is the same thing for 01:32:10.220 --> 01:32:15.170 years people said no problem no problem 01:32:12.619 --> 01:32:16.670 why they're all on the payroll okay so 01:32:15.170 --> 01:32:17.930 we understand that for tobacco 01:32:16.670 --> 01:32:19.699 why don't we understand it for drug 01:32:17.930 --> 01:32:21.800 companies for this and that and again 01:32:19.699 --> 01:32:24.289 it's not that I'm anti drug companies 01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:27.529 drug companies have a very valuable role 01:32:24.289 --> 01:32:29.569 but they need to be sort of over there 01:32:27.529 --> 01:32:33.050 and the university has to be over here 01:32:29.569 --> 01:32:35.719 and you have to split them and if their 01:32:33.050 --> 01:32:37.579 drug is good then the university will 01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:39.350 say okay well your drug goes good well 01:32:37.579 --> 01:32:41.920 at least I know that you're not paying 01:32:39.350 --> 01:32:44.720 the guy who's saying it's good yeah 01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:47.119 again it's it's it's pure common sense 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:49.340 and it's like we just have to change 01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:51.409 that to move far so that's sort of the 01:32:49.340 --> 01:32:54.380 larger I think that in the end that's 01:32:51.409 --> 01:32:55.789 the larger societal issue the individual 01:32:54.380 --> 01:32:57.800 issue that's the biggest that's going to 01:32:55.789 --> 01:32:59.840 impact everybody is gonna be you know 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:01.730 how to apply the proper standards of 01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:04.000 nutrition in term in fasting I think 01:33:01.729 --> 01:33:06.589 that part has been missing for so long 01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:07.640 and really until I started talking about 01:33:06.590 --> 01:33:11.329 it I don't think anybody was talking 01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:13.280 about fasting truthfully no not in not 01:33:11.329 --> 01:33:14.960 in terms of how their body builders and 01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:17.750 stuff but not in terms of treatment of 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:19.250 disease and that kind of thing that part 01:33:17.750 --> 01:33:20.750 is the biggest part for the individual 01:33:19.250 --> 01:33:22.069 patient but they can actually do 01:33:20.750 --> 01:33:24.319 something about it and that's what I 01:33:22.069 --> 01:33:27.469 hope to do with their books with the IPM 01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:30.139 program and with the blog and with the 01:33:27.470 --> 01:33:31.430 podcast and your podcast and all that 01:33:30.140 --> 01:33:34.460 sort of stuff that's where we try to do 01:33:31.430 --> 01:33:37.190 try and empower people to sort of take 01:33:34.460 --> 01:33:39.350 control because it's like if you watch 01:33:37.189 --> 01:33:41.750 this and you decide to do it and get 01:33:39.350 --> 01:33:44.210 better hey I don't get paid but guess 01:33:41.750 --> 01:33:45.739 what if if you you write to me and say 01:33:44.210 --> 01:33:48.289 you know what I watched your thing with 01:33:45.739 --> 01:33:50.510 Mike and I lost 50 pounds I got rid of 01:33:48.289 --> 01:33:52.250 my diabetes I'm paid in a totally 01:33:50.510 --> 01:33:54.409 different way you know that's much more 01:33:52.250 --> 01:33:58.539 valuable than the money throws it like 01:33:54.409 --> 01:34:01.609 oh I we were able to help these people 01:33:58.539 --> 01:34:02.769 feels great feels great minimal amount 01:34:01.609 --> 01:34:04.989 of money is gonna get 01:34:02.770 --> 01:34:06.460 for you yeah and that's the that's the 01:34:04.989 --> 01:34:09.309 point that's the point is that people 01:34:06.460 --> 01:34:10.359 can can do that yeah and the book is 01:34:09.310 --> 01:34:13.060 great you know it goes through the 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:14.920 historical role that fasting has had in 01:34:13.060 --> 01:34:18.370 humankind and as a medical therapy think 01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:19.750 back to 1770 something or a long time 01:34:18.369 --> 01:34:22.090 ago so you have the books awesome it's 01:34:19.750 --> 01:34:23.289 available as you guys watch this video 01:34:22.090 --> 01:34:25.810 it should be available on Amazon for 01:34:23.289 --> 01:34:28.300 pre-orders worldwide so commend you on 01:34:25.810 --> 01:34:29.560 all that great stuff IDM program comm if 01:34:28.300 --> 01:34:31.989 people want to get into the membership 01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:33.190 site and get into that group setting 01:34:31.989 --> 01:34:35.859 which i think is great and by the way 01:34:33.189 --> 01:34:37.569 you mention like pure support there's 01:34:35.859 --> 01:34:39.670 the pure influence to like when doctors 01:34:37.569 --> 01:34:40.840 like you have a paid speaker goes in 01:34:39.670 --> 01:34:42.789 from a room and there's all these other 01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:44.949 doctors and they're pitching it and they 01:34:42.789 --> 01:34:46.750 buy into it so it's part of the yeah so 01:34:44.949 --> 01:34:47.859 the part of the group is powerful it can 01:34:46.750 --> 01:34:49.989 help you lose weight and balance your 01:34:47.859 --> 01:34:52.329 blood sugar - so dr. Fung thanks again 01:34:49.989 --> 01:34:57.039 this is a lot of fun coming on yeah 01:34:52.329 --> 01:34:57.550 thank you very much my pleasure all 01:34:57.039 --> 01:35:00.930 right all right 01:34:57.550 --> 01:35:00.930 a lot of good stuff thank you