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when you eat your body wants to store

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food energy because food Energy's coming

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in you should store it for a time that

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you don't have it and when you are not

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eating then insulin falls and you simply

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take that food energy that you store it

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and you burn it and that's why you don't

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die in your sleep like every single

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night you don't have to eat muffins

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every two hours to survive like it's

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okay so if you think about it now we're

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eating sort of ten times a day instead

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of three times a day so 10 times a day

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we're telling our bodies to store fat

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it's like store fast or fast or fast or

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fat and that's like I wonder why I'm so

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fat it's like because you keep telling

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your body do that and if you want to

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burn fat then you gotta tell it to stop

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burning fat and again it's a hormonal

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signal it's not a caloric signal it's a

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hormonal signal you got to let that

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insulin fall because it's when the

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enzyme fall that the body's gonna start

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burning the glycogen I'm gonna start

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burning the body fat if you keep your

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insulin high then you'll never do it

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because insulin is the signal to to go

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high and this is the promo type-2

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diabetes because you get this insulin

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resistance which means too high insulin

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all the time so it gets harder and

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harder to lose weight as it goes so then

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as you get in sort of like 40 years in

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if you're 60 years old and you've been

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gaining weight since age 20 for example

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you have all the senses and resistance

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it keeps it high even though your diet

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may be good you have to you have to

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fight all those years of insulin

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resistance and that's why I also say

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that that obesity is really a

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time-dependent phenomenon that is the

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longer you have it the harder it is

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which the Clarke theory completely sort

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of ignores that is to say if you gain 10

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pounds from where you are right now you

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could lose that pretty easily yeah but

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if somebody is 65 it's pretty hard to

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lose that 10 pounds because they've

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always had it and it's this sort of

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chronic resetting upwards of this body

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set weight that's the problem

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hey my friend it's Mike muscle here

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thanks so much for showing up and tuning

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into yet another video this episode is

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proudly sponsored by salami fix one of

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the manufacturers of the world's only

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hypoallergenic mal tape that will get

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you sleeping like a baby again I mean

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wearing this shirt right now to help

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promote the power of nose breathing and

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really discourage mouth breathing while

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you're sleeping because if you're

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sitting there with your mouth wide open

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while you're sleeping well guess what

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you're not going to achieve those deep

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phases of restorative sleep that are

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going to help you burn fat better become

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better fat adapted and if you are

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breathing through your mouth while

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you're sleeping you're probably going to

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be activating cortisol and free radical

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stressors within your body so that's

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where mouth taping can come in and what

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makes Sami fix a really unique product

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is it's made of hypoallergenic mouth

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tape that was studied at Harvard and the

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adhesive does not cause any irritation

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to your lips and it has a small little

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Pierce in there so you can speech or

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your partner or your spouse your

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children and your loved ones so please

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help support the show and get your your

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sleep on track by going to some knee

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fixed comm again thats omni fixed comm

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som ni fi x.com dr. funk thanks so much

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for coming back on it's great to be with

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you again great to be here thanks having

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me yeah so that last interview we did it

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was let's see not Memorial Day I'm

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thinking of membranes day of 2016

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oh sure you're wearing your lapel people

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we're asking about that in that video

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remember that yeah it's like early

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November there's a whole week

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remembrance week oh yeah yeah yeah papi

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the punk people are asking like what's

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almost eighteen months ago and I was

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looking through the comments or

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thousands of comments cuz there's such

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great content that you shared and people

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were curious or they one of the top

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comments that would keep coming up was

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did this doctor really just say that the

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calories in calories out model does not

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govern whether someone loses weight or

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gains weight and so we're talking

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offline how there's really no receptors

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for calories in their body yeah and this

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is the thing that's very strange routine

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what calories is is that they take a

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piece of steak or whatever and they

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energy it is so you can determine how

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many calories are in a steak and a piece

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of broccoli or a piece of wood for that

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matter so you just burn it and see how

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so the body has no receptors it doesn't

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measure calories it has no idea how many

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calories you eat so if you eat a piece

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of wood it might have 10,000 calories

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number of calories if you if you drink

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it has no way of measuring it so it has

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no way of responding to it so why would

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concept of physics and it's not a

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physiologic concept if you put a hundred

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calories of sugar in your mouth versus a

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physiologic response is completely and

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utterly different so you put that oil

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know these diagrams of metabolism that

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of human physiology have we described

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the calorie receptor it doesn't exist

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of sense but it just kept being repeated

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is true but again 100 calories of

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broccoli is not the same as a hundred

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calories of donuts that's just the

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bottom line and we all try and pretend

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that it is but it isn't and that's where

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we've really failed so if you believe

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that calories is what's really important

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fat olestra that we used to have eat

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well you know what people never really

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cutting calories is what's really

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years well what's happened well obesity

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false and that's where we're getting

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into trouble because we're following the

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wrong path we're so obsessed with

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calories that we forget about everything

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for dinner because it's the same number

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of calories as if you had that kale

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salad like you've got to be an idiot to

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think that eating doughnuts for dinner

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as eating kale salad there's nothing the

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same about them the minute it goes into

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your mouth there's nothing the same

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about those two foods so you got to

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follow the physiology rather than this

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sort of foreign notion of physics that

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we've sort of imported in I mean why

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dude the weight of food if you eat half

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pound of weight

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you know depends what you're eating in

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the hormone response yeah exactly and I

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mean that's the law of thermodynamics to

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first law of thermodynamics you can't

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gain a pound of weight if you've only

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eaten a pound half a pound of food if

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you've eaten half a pound of food you

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must weigh half a pound more there's

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simply no way around it of course that's

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stupid because you get metabolism

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there's metabolism something that's

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going to be exhaled as carbon dioxide

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something's gonna go through your stools

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there's all this physiology that happens

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when when when you go from physics to

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physiology but but you know the whole

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calories thing is just like it's just so

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engrained into us from like we're from

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the time we're like 2 years old that we

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really can't let go of this notion and

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that's where we're really really getting

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into trouble yeah do you think part of

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that is the food industry because people

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food so they look at calories and so

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hundred thirty it was all driven by the

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food industry in my mind because it's

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not driven by the scientists other than

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know what those who have been paid off

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by the industry because what they want

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to do is equate in our minds that it's

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all calories so that you can say you can

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eat doughnuts for dinner and then hey

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why don't you buy these doughnuts

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there's a lot tastier than that salad

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you're gonna eat and if it's 200

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calories of doughnuts and 200 calories

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of salmon hey same thing it's like

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cheaper it tastes better just eat that

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doughnut and it's great so of course

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they they love this sort of idea and the

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beverage business for example it's like

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yeah you can drink Gatorade and then go

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bicycle for an hour and you'll work it

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all off it's the same it's all

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equivalent when you try and make them

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equivalent what you don't understand is

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that if you drink that sugary drink

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you're gonna get fatty liver you're

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gonna get insulin resistance you can

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exercise your muscles but you can't

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exercise your liver your livers dying

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your muscles are doing great so it's

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like okay well in the end you get all

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these athletes like Professor Tim Noakes

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who's running marathons to marathon

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after marathon and then gets type-2

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diabetes it's like okay well how does

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that work it works because the whole

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calories notion is

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Falls and that's one of the things that

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we have to understand yeah maybe it's

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you know maybe I over exaggerated a

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little bit

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for a fact but you really can't use that

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calories notion it's not a helpful

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notion and if it was we would be doing a

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lot better than we are sort of today

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mm-hmm and in the longer term at the

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demon illogical studies have teased this

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out and and reducing calories effects

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resting metabolic rate which I want to

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get into but first is two kind of two

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examples you know I want to talk about

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insulin and then also if someone is

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eating the right amount of

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macronutrients but is in a calorie

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excess but yet it's keeping their

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hormones in balance so we've seen this a

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lot of people on the internet are doing

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like 5,000 or 4,000 calorie a day keto

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you know diets and they're not gaining

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fat because their hormones are

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imbalanced so yeah how do you feel about

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that I think you can do it now it all

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depends on what happens you got to

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realize that for most of sort of human

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history people didn't count calories

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calorie intake varies widely know nobody

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eats sort of like 2,000 a day every

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single day honestly I have no idea how

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many calories I eat in a day and most

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people don't either they even if they

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try and count it they're wildly

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inaccurate the idea is that the body

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works as a negative feedback loop and

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that's how we maintain stable weight so

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look let's go back to the 60s the

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sixties nobody's exercising and weight

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is quite stable for the most part in a

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very good range like in a non obese or

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overweight sort of a range so how does

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that work because if you think that you

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can match your calorie expenditure in

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your intake to that degree that sort of

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2% of the population is obese but you're

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taking 2,000 calories a day in a year

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times 365 it's you know 70,000 calories

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in a year a pound of fat is roughly

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3,000 calories so you're matching it to

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less like sort of a 99.5 percent

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accuracy without any idea of how many

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calories are either either

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spending it's like there's no way that's

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possible so there's obviously a negative

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feedback loop and what that is it's like

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a thermostat so a thermostat is a

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perfect example of a negative feedback

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loop so you set your temperature at say

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72 degrees which is room temperature if

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it's summer and it's hot then the the

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thermostat senses it's too hot and turns

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on the air-conditioning brings it back

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to 72 if it's winter and it's really

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cold temperatures in the house drops to

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69 degrees

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these thermostat senses that turns on

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the heat brings it back up so it's a

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negative feedback loop and that's a

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perfect example of homeostasis the body

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does exactly the same thing and there's

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a very similar body set way so we have a

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a mechanism in our body that determines

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how fat we get so if you get too fat

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you're gonna you're not going to survive

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because you're not going to be able to

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catch food or somebody's going to eat

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you if you get too skinny you're also

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not going to survive because you can't

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take it when there's no food like the

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wintertime there's no food you're gonna

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die so the body actually sets a certain

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set weight which is defended very

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vigorously actually so if you get too

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fat your body will actually turn on and

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try and burn off those calories and

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we've proved that through lots of

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studies so if you deliberately over feed

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people to gain 10 percent body weight

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they'll actually burn 500 calories per

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day more than if they're at their normal

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weight then you drop them to their

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normal weight and their basal metabolic

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rate goes back to the same one if now

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you make them lose 10 percent of their

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body weight they're actually burning 300

394
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calories a day less than they did when

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they were normal weight so you see that

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the basal metabolic rate goes up and

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down depending on where it is but the

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body has this mechanism that if you get

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too fat it's going to burn it off

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burn off those calories so we get back

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to normal weight the more sort of

402
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situation we deal with more is that

403
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you're trying to lose weight then the

404
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body tries to make you gain that weight

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back so the key is not to look at the

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calories so let's take an example of the

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thermostat mm-hmm we know there's a

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there's a negative feedback loop there

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if you

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temperature of 72 degrees and it gets

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too hot then what's gonna happen is that

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the body will turn on the

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air-conditioning if you for example put

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in a bunch of heaters you can bring it

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back up so say you're at 72 degrees and

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you say okay now I want to be 75 degrees

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but instead of changing that thermostat

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you just bring in a couple of heaters

419
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well that's great you go from 72 to 75

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then the thermostat is going to turn on

421
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the AC and then it's gonna bring it back

422
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down to 72 so you say okay well that

423
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didn't work so instead of one heater

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I'll bring in two heaters you bring it

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up to 75 it brings it back down and you

426
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keep fighting yourself that's exactly

427
00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:09,110
what we do with our body so we have a

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say say our body set weight is 200

429
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pounds we don't want to be 200 pounds we

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want to be a hundred and eighty pounds

431
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so you lose weight you count your

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calories you lose weight go down to 180

433
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and what does the body do well the body

434
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makes you hungry and then it slows down

435
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your metabolism in an effort to get back

436
00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,490
up to the 200 pounds so then you say

437
00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,839
okay well now you know I've got a lot of

438
00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:35,240
willpower so I'm gonna cut my calories

439
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even further so you cut your calories

440
00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,169
further and what happens the body makes

441
00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:41,299
you hungrier and it slows down your

442
00:16:39,169 --> 00:16:43,549
metabolic rate even more so you're

443
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constantly fighting yourself rather than

444
00:16:43,549 --> 00:16:47,748
adjusting that body set wait so it's not

445
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about calories it's about this body's

446
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:52,579
that way because the way it worked is

447
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that insulin is going to make you gain

448
00:16:52,578 --> 00:16:57,979
fat but if your fat cells expand to a

449
00:16:55,789 --> 00:17:01,519
certain point they're going to generate

450
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leptin so leptin goes into the brain and

451
00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:09,439
it says hey we're too fat and turns down

452
00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,929
the appetite right down okay so as your

453
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appetite goes down you don't eat if you

454
00:17:11,929 --> 00:17:17,059
don't eat insulin goes down so perfect

455
00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:18,318
here is your negative feedback loop hi

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478
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show you eat insulin goes up when you're

479
00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:10,970
too fat left and turns on and turns off

480
00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:12,529
the insulin so it works perfectly what

481
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:16,100
happens though is that if you've

482
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hijacked that mechanism now listen you

483
00:18:16,099 --> 00:18:23,000
you stimulate insulin all the time so

484
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you go to 1977 the government says eat

485
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lots of Brad because remember they said

486
00:18:25,730 --> 00:18:30,319
eat 50 percent carbs 55 to 60 percent

487
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carbs right if they're eating broccoli

488
00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:34,059
you're good but if you're eating white

489
00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:36,079
bread and you should see the original

490
00:18:34,059 --> 00:18:39,079
Dietary Guidelines they're all white

491
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bread and you know spaghetti yeah and so

492
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you're supposed to eat that five or six

493
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times a day so insulin is going through

494
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the roof but not just that but people

495
00:18:44,990 --> 00:18:49,910
went from eating three times a day to

496
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six times a day that wasn't in the

497
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guidelines but that did happen so now

498
00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:55,879
you're stimula every time you eat

499
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,700
assuming you eat a mixed meal

500
00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,650
you're gonna stimulate insulin assuming

501
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you have some carbs some proteins on fat

502
00:19:00,650 --> 00:19:05,360
yeah you're gonna stimulate insulin so

503
00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:08,649
not only are you stimulated insulin more

504
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:12,319
you're stimulating it all the time so

505
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what happens is that if you stimulate

506
00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:17,779
insulin all the time you get insulin

507
00:19:13,910 --> 00:19:20,720
resistance your fat cells get big it

508
00:19:17,779 --> 00:19:22,369
turns on leptin leptin if you stimulate

509
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,970
all the time you get leptin resistance

510
00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:28,399
same thing we know that because in

511
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:32,180
obesity what you have is not a lack of

512
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:34,730
leptin but a total lack of response so

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it's a leptin resistance state so now

514
00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:40,309
your negative feedback loop is

515
00:19:36,980 --> 00:19:43,250
completely busted because insulin you're

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eating a diet lots of carbs eating all

517
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the time

518
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,640
your insulin is going up through the

519
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roof and leptin goes up but there's no

520
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:55,159
response so now your your negative

521
00:19:52,398 --> 00:19:56,778
feedback loop is busted and you're just

522
00:19:55,159 --> 00:20:00,080
going to gain weight so that thermostat

523
00:19:56,778 --> 00:20:01,640
that bodyweight thermostat is gradually

524
00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,439
getting reset upwards

525
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,769
higher and higher and higher exact yeah

526
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:08,870
and then if you simply try so so the

527
00:20:06,769 --> 00:20:11,058
important thing is that how do you reset

528
00:20:08,869 --> 00:20:12,829
that well it's a balance between insulin

529
00:20:11,058 --> 00:20:15,288
and leptin you can't do much about

530
00:20:12,829 --> 00:20:18,138
leptin so you really got a attack the

531
00:20:15,288 --> 00:20:21,048
the infant side and really lower it but

532
00:20:18,138 --> 00:20:23,089
if you simply say and here's where we

533
00:20:21,048 --> 00:20:27,079
made a huge mistake so you're eating

534
00:20:23,089 --> 00:20:29,750
2,000 calories a day now you say okay I

535
00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:31,849
want to cut 500 calories I'm gonna cut

536
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:33,288
the fat out because that's what the

537
00:20:31,849 --> 00:20:36,528
government told them I'm gonna cut the

538
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fat high calorie weight so the coke

539
00:20:36,528 --> 00:20:40,429
calorie thing is like okay I've cut my

540
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,940
calories because I've cut so much fat

541
00:20:40,429 --> 00:20:45,500
out of my diet that fat had no

542
00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:47,720
practically no insulin response anyway

543
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:49,609
yeah and instead of eating three times a

544
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,350
day I'm gonna eat six or seven times a

545
00:20:49,609 --> 00:20:52,339
day because somebody told me that you

546
00:20:51,349 --> 00:20:56,569
have to eat all the time

547
00:20:52,339 --> 00:20:58,548
you should eat six meals a day so not

548
00:20:56,569 --> 00:21:01,220
only are you you're not affecting your

549
00:20:58,548 --> 00:21:03,500
insulin because you're eating foods that

550
00:21:01,220 --> 00:21:05,089
are getting reading the same insulin

551
00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:06,169
effect and you're getting more insulin

552
00:21:05,089 --> 00:21:08,000
effect because you're eating all the

553
00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:09,380
time so you're eating less calories for

554
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,179
having the same insulin in fact and then

555
00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:13,610
wondering why your weight is going up

556
00:21:11,179 --> 00:21:15,590
because you never corrected the problem

557
00:21:13,609 --> 00:21:17,689
which is this balance between insulin

558
00:21:15,589 --> 00:21:19,990
and leptin you need to get your insulin

559
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:23,450
low for a significant amount of time and

560
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:24,980
keep get your you're left to get low and

561
00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:28,519
that takes a long time because that is

562
00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:31,940
reset upwards very very gradually so if

563
00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:34,579
you think about standard sort of common

564
00:21:31,940 --> 00:21:37,639
obesity it's about a pound of weight

565
00:21:34,579 --> 00:21:39,619
gain one to two pounds per year which

566
00:21:37,638 --> 00:21:43,250
adds up over three decades sort of thing

567
00:21:39,619 --> 00:21:45,888
but that's it this gradually reset

568
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:47,630
upwards so can you move it all back down

569
00:21:45,888 --> 00:21:51,379
in like a month and a half not really

570
00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:53,299
it's it's a long term process there's

571
00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:54,740
this really fascinating study about

572
00:21:53,298 --> 00:21:56,210
eating habits and

573
00:21:54,740 --> 00:22:00,200
the things that I've always talked about

574
00:21:56,210 --> 00:22:03,470
in you know in the obesity code is that

575
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,840
it's not simply what we eat so if you

576
00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:08,000
look at the foods that we should eat

577
00:22:05,839 --> 00:22:09,709
there's there's really not that much

578
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,970
disagreement nobody really thinks you

579
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:12,350
should be eating a lot of white bread

580
00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:15,399
anymore

581
00:22:12,349 --> 00:22:18,469
so if you look that we all sort of agree

582
00:22:15,398 --> 00:22:20,389
unprocessed foods are good natural fats

583
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:22,100
are sort of back so there's less you

584
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:23,840
know avocados and nuts it's not that

585
00:22:22,099 --> 00:22:25,490
much controversy around the edges like

586
00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:28,220
saturated fat and so on there's still

587
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:30,169
some controversy but if you look at what

588
00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:32,690
people say you should eat it's not that

589
00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:35,149
it's not that different the thing I've

590
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:37,880
never talked about is the when to eat if

591
00:22:35,148 --> 00:22:39,739
you look at nineteen seventy seven how

592
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,270
often people are eating it's about three

593
00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:42,649
times a day so I grew up in to some

594
00:22:41,269 --> 00:22:44,990
needs a breakfast lunch dinner you

595
00:22:42,648 --> 00:22:46,579
wanted to stack your mom said no you

596
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:48,740
can't have a snack we don't have snacks

597
00:22:46,579 --> 00:22:50,178
and you're gonna ruin your dinner you

598
00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:52,759
want an after-dinner snack they're like

599
00:22:50,179 --> 00:22:54,740
no if you got hungry yes buddy you

600
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:57,558
should be more dinner that exactly what

601
00:22:54,740 --> 00:23:00,798
they would have said and if you look at

602
00:22:57,558 --> 00:23:02,839
the latest data so 2004 2005 the Ann

603
00:23:00,798 --> 00:23:06,230
Haynes study which is this giant sort of

604
00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:11,000
American survey it's closer to six times

605
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:12,380
a day average in 2005 sorry a couple of

606
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,640
years ago they had this really

607
00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:16,429
interesting study where they gave

608
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,080
somebody a smartphone app and people

609
00:23:16,429 --> 00:23:19,130
would just record when they ate and how

610
00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,470
much they ate sort of thing and they

611
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:24,380
looked at how often people ate and they

612
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:26,839
broke it in by deciles so each the top

613
00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:30,440
10% of people in the bottom 10% so the

614
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:33,250
the bottom 10% the peep that the 10% of

615
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:38,750
people who ate the least frequently

616
00:23:33,250 --> 00:23:42,470
averaged 3.3 times hmm that is 90% of

617
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:44,778
people ate more than three times a day

618
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:46,940
it's and and the top 10 percent of

619
00:23:44,778 --> 00:23:47,148
people how often they it was ten times a

620
00:23:46,940 --> 00:23:49,880
day

621
00:23:47,148 --> 00:23:53,079
well it's ridiculous we're eating all

622
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:58,159
the time so again if you think about it

623
00:23:53,079 --> 00:24:01,490
the way human nutrition is is not that

624
00:23:58,159 --> 00:24:04,100
complicated when you eat your body wants

625
00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:05,630
to store food energy because food

626
00:24:04,099 --> 00:24:07,669
Energy's coming in you should store it

627
00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:11,600
for a time that you don't have it

628
00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:13,970
and when you are not eating then insulin

629
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:15,829
falls and you simply take that food

630
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:17,480
energy that you store it and you burn it

631
00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:19,039
and that's why you don't die in your

632
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,559
sleep like every single night it's like

633
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:25,039
yes you don't have to eat muffins every

634
00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:26,899
two hours to survive like it's okay but

635
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:29,619
that's the way nutrition is so if you

636
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:32,390
think about it now we're eating sort of

637
00:24:29,619 --> 00:24:35,269
ten times a day instead of three times a

638
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:37,880
day so 10 times a day we are telling our

639
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:40,789
bodies to store fat

640
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,320
it's like store fast or fast or fast or

641
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:44,450
fat and that's like I wonder why I'm so

642
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:48,409
fat it's like because you keep telling

643
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:50,150
your body do that and if you want to if

644
00:24:48,410 --> 00:24:51,860
you want to burn fat then you got to

645
00:24:50,150 --> 00:24:53,450
tell it to stop burning fat and again

646
00:24:51,859 --> 00:24:55,219
it's a hormonal signal it's not a

647
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:57,830
caloric signal it's a hormonal signal

648
00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:59,839
you got to let that insulin fall because

649
00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:01,819
it's when the insulin fall that the

650
00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:04,459
body's gonna start burning the glycogen

651
00:25:01,819 --> 00:25:07,339
gonna start burning the body fat if you

652
00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:09,230
keep your insulin high then you'll never

653
00:25:07,339 --> 00:25:11,629
do it because insulin is the signal to

654
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:13,640
go high and this is the promo type-2

655
00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:15,860
diabetes because you get this insulin

656
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,870
resistance which leads to high insulin

657
00:25:15,859 --> 00:25:20,240
all the time so it gets harder and

658
00:25:17,869 --> 00:25:23,779
harder to lose weight as it goes so then

659
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,099
as you get in sort of like 40 years in

660
00:25:23,779 --> 00:25:27,259
if you're 60 years old and you've been

661
00:25:25,099 --> 00:25:28,990
gaining weight since age 20 for example

662
00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:32,210
you have all this insulin resistance

663
00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:34,400
then of course the whole problem is that

664
00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:36,110
you have all this insulin resistance it

665
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,330
keeps it high even though your diet may

666
00:25:36,109 --> 00:25:40,129
be good you have to you have to fight

667
00:25:38,329 --> 00:25:42,589
all those years of insulin resistance

668
00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:44,210
and that's why I also say that that

669
00:25:42,589 --> 00:25:47,179
obesity is really a time-dependent

670
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:49,490
phenomenon that is the longer you have

671
00:25:47,180 --> 00:25:52,519
it the harder it is which the Clarke

672
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:55,460
theory completely sort of ignores that

673
00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:57,829
is to say if you gain ten pounds from

674
00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:59,960
where you are right now you could lose

675
00:25:57,829 --> 00:26:04,159
that pretty easily yeah but if somebody

676
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:06,079
is 65 it's pretty hard to lose that ten

677
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,810
pounds because they've always had it and

678
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:10,879
it's this sort of chronic resetting

679
00:26:08,809 --> 00:26:11,690
upwards of this body set weight that's

680
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,090
the problem

681
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:16,640
so actors in Hollywood do it all the

682
00:26:14,089 --> 00:26:19,730
time you see people they gain like ten

683
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,549
for their 20 pounds for a roll and then

684
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:23,089
they drop it and no no no biggie yeah of

685
00:26:22,548 --> 00:26:24,950
course

686
00:26:23,089 --> 00:26:26,659
they just gained it like two weeks ago

687
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:28,100
they can lose it no problem right

688
00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:30,200
because their setpoint was relatively

689
00:26:28,099 --> 00:26:31,939
normal go there's that points here it

690
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,650
takes time it hasn't really gone up but

691
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:35,179
they force-fed themselves to gain that

692
00:26:33,650 --> 00:26:37,370
weight for whatever movie role they have

693
00:26:35,179 --> 00:26:39,890
to do so their body weights here but

694
00:26:37,369 --> 00:26:41,989
their set points here so then they

695
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:43,820
simply stop eating because lectins too

696
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:45,529
high they stop eating because they

697
00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:47,750
really don't want to eat and they just

698
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:50,359
drop and we saw that in experiments with

699
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:53,000
in the 1960s with the overfeeding

700
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:56,119
studies so those are fascinating because

701
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:58,400
they took these college kids and they

702
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,048
said we want you to gain weight so this

703
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,660
was an interesting story because Ethan

704
00:27:00,048 --> 00:27:04,970
Sims he wanted to study obesity so he

705
00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:06,740
said okay well you know what I'll make

706
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:07,940
these rats gain weight so you just gave

707
00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:10,490
him food and they wouldn't gain weight

708
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:12,710
when they're full they stopped which is

709
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:14,779
exactly what happens in in in like the

710
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:16,610
1960s of course people ate until they're

711
00:27:14,779 --> 00:27:19,548
full and they stopped the key of course

712
00:27:16,609 --> 00:27:21,979
is they're not eating all the time but

713
00:27:19,548 --> 00:27:24,470
they so he thought okay well I can't

714
00:27:21,980 --> 00:27:25,940
make these rats get fat that's weird

715
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:27,769
I thought it is pretty easy so he got

716
00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:29,120
these college kids and I said I want you

717
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:30,859
to gain like 10 percent of your weight

718
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,689
and they all thought it'd be easy and

719
00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:36,769
they couldn't do it they couldn't gain

720
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:39,289
weight so he went to prison and he said

721
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:42,168
okay I'm gonna take these people in

722
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:44,539
prison and make them gain weight he he

723
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:47,030
made sure they didn't exercise too much

724
00:27:44,539 --> 00:27:48,798
he had people watch them as they ate

725
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:51,109
because you know their liberties were

726
00:27:48,798 --> 00:27:53,119
being restricted so they gained weight

727
00:27:51,109 --> 00:27:54,979
but is really really hard there's one

728
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,979
guy he eventually gained sort of 25

729
00:27:54,980 --> 00:28:00,558
percent of his body weight he was eating

730
00:27:56,980 --> 00:28:03,279
10,000 calories a day well so you think

731
00:28:00,558 --> 00:28:05,389
okay what's going on he normally 820 500

732
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:08,149
calories a day for example he went up to

733
00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:10,700
10,000 but as you went up to 10,000 his

734
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:13,370
bodies that way was down here and his

735
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:14,900
body is actively trying to burn off all

736
00:28:13,369 --> 00:28:16,548
those calories that are coming in now

737
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:18,230
you can't make up that many calories so

738
00:28:16,548 --> 00:28:20,450
he did gain weight that's what happened

739
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:22,548
he said when the experiment stopped his

740
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:25,009
body set weights down here he's up here

741
00:28:22,548 --> 00:28:26,200
boom he lost all that weight in like two

742
00:28:25,009 --> 00:28:28,150
months without effort

743
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,650
it's crazy that's crazy well you know a

744
00:28:28,150 --> 00:28:31,540
lot of bodybuilders not in review but a

745
00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:33,340
lot of bodybuilders use insulin for to

746
00:28:31,539 --> 00:28:34,899
put on mass you know because you you're

747
00:28:33,339 --> 00:28:37,419
at 190 pounds you want to be a

748
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:39,040
professional onstage at 285 there's a

749
00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:41,050
long way to go right so they used

750
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,849
insulin a lot of anabolic sex you rev up

751
00:28:41,049 --> 00:28:43,450
so that they can physically eat down

752
00:28:42,849 --> 00:28:45,669
much food

753
00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:47,080
yeah so it's crazy um you know a lot of

754
00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:48,550
people will say like oh I just have a

755
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,929
sluggish metabolism and I remember

756
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:52,000
reading some studies about that like

757
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:54,100
overweight people their metabolisms not

758
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,990
slow they're just storing more than

759
00:28:54,099 --> 00:28:57,699
they're burning you know yeah so that's

760
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:59,769
really interesting about like you know

761
00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:02,140
increasing the food intake the body will

762
00:28:59,769 --> 00:29:05,259
compensate and will speed up resting

763
00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:07,480
metabolic rate but one thing that how

764
00:29:05,259 --> 00:29:10,119
can we mentally unravel the difference

765
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,099
between calorie restriction like you

766
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:13,809
know I want to lose whatever how many

767
00:29:12,099 --> 00:29:15,429
pound so I'm going to only eat 1200

768
00:29:13,809 --> 00:29:17,589
calories per day and intermittent

769
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:19,600
fasting and how calorie restriction

770
00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:21,909
reduces your resting metabolic rate but

771
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,740
intermittent fasting does not help us

772
00:29:21,910 --> 00:29:26,290
like navigate that yeah that's a common

773
00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:28,990
question and the point is that calorie

774
00:29:26,289 --> 00:29:30,869
restriction first of all the body really

775
00:29:28,990 --> 00:29:33,549
has no idea what the hell you're doing

776
00:29:30,869 --> 00:29:34,929
so you restrict calories but the body

777
00:29:33,549 --> 00:29:37,029
does whatever it wants because it

778
00:29:34,930 --> 00:29:39,310
responds to hormones intermittent

779
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:41,440
fasting is not about how many calories

780
00:29:39,309 --> 00:29:44,169
you eat it's about the time that you're

781
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:47,279
not eating so you're not eating for 12

782
00:29:44,170 --> 00:29:51,430
hours or 16 hours or 24 hours or 7 days

783
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:54,190
and people always think that you know if

784
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:56,110
I only eat once a day for example and I

785
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:58,210
eat 1200 calories well that's exactly

786
00:29:56,109 --> 00:30:01,359
the same is about 1200 calories through

787
00:29:58,210 --> 00:30:03,910
that day no the difference is that if

788
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:08,079
you you know let's do a thought

789
00:30:03,910 --> 00:30:11,680
experiment yeah if you eat sort of you

790
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:14,529
know I equal sized portions of food sort

791
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,049
of every hour you know throughout the

792
00:30:14,529 --> 00:30:19,690
whole day is that really the same as

793
00:30:17,049 --> 00:30:22,990
eating that one portion through that

794
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:24,820
whole all at one sitting and it's not

795
00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:26,650
really because every time you kind of

796
00:30:24,819 --> 00:30:28,179
stimulate your insulin to go up and you

797
00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:32,500
keep telling your body to gain weight

798
00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:34,720
when you drop your insulin enough what's

799
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:37,960
gonna happen is that you're going to

800
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,210
tell your body to switch fuel sources

801
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,548
okay so when you're eating all the time

802
00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:44,829
you're fueling your body on the food

803
00:30:42,548 --> 00:30:46,509
that's coming in so you eat two thousand

804
00:30:44,829 --> 00:30:48,158
calories you burn two thousand calories

805
00:30:46,509 --> 00:30:49,359
that's all food that's kind of going in

806
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,240
and out and it's going through the

807
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:53,859
short-term storage and the glycogen sure

808
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,409
but if you let your insulin fall low

809
00:30:53,859 --> 00:30:59,439
enough then what happens is that you

810
00:30:56,409 --> 00:31:01,390
switch into burning fat so after you get

811
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,009
through your glycogen then you get into

812
00:31:01,390 --> 00:31:04,899
your body fat and that's where you start

813
00:31:03,009 --> 00:31:06,700
to see the ketones and all this sort of

814
00:31:04,898 --> 00:31:09,699
stuff but you know that you're burning

815
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:13,450
fat so for example if you're switching

816
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:16,569
fuel sources there's no reason for your

817
00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:18,460
body to slow down so again let's take

818
00:31:16,569 --> 00:31:22,089
some numbers so if you have a 2,000

819
00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:23,230
calories a day and you eat 1,200 but

820
00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:24,788
you're eating all the time and you're

821
00:31:23,230 --> 00:31:26,288
you're keeping your insulin high either

822
00:31:24,788 --> 00:31:27,669
because you're injecting it or you have

823
00:31:26,288 --> 00:31:30,879
insulin resistance and your insulin

824
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:33,759
slicer insulin is high insulin blocks

825
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,409
like pollicis so what that means and

826
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:38,710
we've known this again for 50 years

827
00:31:35,409 --> 00:31:40,778
insulin stops you from burning fat why

828
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:42,759
because insulin is telling your body to

829
00:31:40,778 --> 00:31:44,380
gain fat so you don't want to burn fat

830
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:47,200
and gain found at the same time so we

831
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:48,760
say insulin inhibits lipolysis so if

832
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,370
insulin is high but you're only taking

833
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:54,190
1200 calories you have no access to your

834
00:31:51,369 --> 00:31:56,079
fat stores right because it blocks like

835
00:31:54,190 --> 00:31:58,509
pollicis insulin is high you can't burn

836
00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:01,509
fat so all you have coming in is 1200

837
00:31:58,509 --> 00:32:03,730
calories all you can burn is 1200

838
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:04,119
calories your metabolic rate must slow

839
00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:07,089
down

840
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:09,639
in order for you to survive because you

841
00:32:07,089 --> 00:32:13,028
don't want to die hmm what happens now

842
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:16,720
if you allow your innocent to drop say

843
00:32:13,028 --> 00:32:18,759
you go on a 7 day fast and so you have

844
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,589
zero calories coming in for seven days

845
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:23,129
and I choose this not because I

846
00:32:20,589 --> 00:32:26,439
recommend it it's pretty it's fairly

847
00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:28,059
extreme in some cases but if you have

848
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,240
insulin resistance at least I know you

849
00:32:28,058 --> 00:32:33,369
your insulin will fall so as your

850
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,548
insulin falls then you're gonna switch

851
00:32:33,369 --> 00:32:40,000
from burning food to burning fat that's

852
00:32:36,548 --> 00:32:43,200
what's supposed to happen so if your

853
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:46,720
body now sees okay I'm burning body fat

854
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:49,279
there's like tons of this stuff yeah why

855
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,460
do I need to slow down my metabolism

856
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:55,789
in fact if you look at the physiology of

857
00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:59,090
fasting it actually maintains the

858
00:32:55,789 --> 00:33:01,849
metabolic rate because as insulin Falls

859
00:32:59,089 --> 00:33:04,669
you get a counter regulatory hormone

860
00:33:01,849 --> 00:33:08,449
surge and again this is sort of basic

861
00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:10,730
physiology insulin Falls the body

862
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:13,039
increases sympathetic tone so the

863
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:15,110
sympathetic nervous system adrenaline

864
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:17,750
and noradrenaline growth hormone and

865
00:33:15,109 --> 00:33:20,359
cortisol we know that that's pretty

866
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:23,480
basic because that's trying to get the

867
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:25,909
glucose back out from the liver into the

868
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,880
blood and those hormones the sympathetic

869
00:33:25,910 --> 00:33:30,860
nervous system adrenaline cortisol

870
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,320
growth hormone are trying to push the

871
00:33:30,859 --> 00:33:35,869
glucose out well what do you think

872
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:38,059
adrenaline does that's not slowing your

873
00:33:35,869 --> 00:33:41,179
metabolic rate right it's pumping it up

874
00:33:38,059 --> 00:33:44,899
and why does growth hormone go up but

875
00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:48,920
growth hormone is there because you have

876
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:50,810
a period of gluconeogenesis at around 24

877
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,210
hours if you look at the physiology of

878
00:33:50,809 --> 00:33:55,369
fasting the glycogen stores which are

879
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:58,819
chains of glucose in your liver that's

880
00:33:55,369 --> 00:34:00,349
the first sort of stuff you go to when

881
00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:03,230
you burn through your glycogen it lasts

882
00:34:00,349 --> 00:34:05,659
for 24 hours at 24 to 36 hours roughly

883
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:06,980
you're gonna burn protein and that's

884
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:08,449
where everybody says all your burning

885
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:10,039
muscle know you're burning protein

886
00:34:08,449 --> 00:34:11,779
that's not necessarily muscle there's a

887
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,809
lot of excess connective tissue there's

888
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:16,870
a lot of excess fat that you should burn

889
00:34:13,809 --> 00:34:18,619
if you look at those you know

890
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:20,449
documentaries of people whose weight

891
00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:22,969
they have all this excess skin

892
00:34:20,449 --> 00:34:24,529
yeah well that needs to be burned and

893
00:34:22,969 --> 00:34:25,908
you want to burn that that's not bad

894
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:27,320
thing that's a good thing you want to

895
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:28,668
get rid of that same thing with the

896
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,250
Tophet you you want to get rid of this

897
00:34:28,668 --> 00:34:32,809
protein but if you keep getting rid of

898
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:34,668
protein and never putting it back in

899
00:34:32,809 --> 00:34:37,369
that's not good either so what does a

900
00:34:34,668 --> 00:34:39,049
body do the body's not that stupid what

901
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:41,539
it does is it pumps up growth hormone

902
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:44,149
like you can't believe it goes up like 3

903
00:34:41,539 --> 00:34:46,489
to 5 fold on a 5 day fast Wow

904
00:34:44,148 --> 00:34:48,969
and what it means is that when you eat

905
00:34:46,489 --> 00:34:51,408
again you're gonna rebuild that protein

906
00:34:48,969 --> 00:34:52,989
but not the protein that you didn't need

907
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:55,639
that excess skin that you didn't need

908
00:34:52,989 --> 00:34:57,679
the stuff that you do need the same

909
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,030
thing for @rg same thing for cancer

910
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:02,609
cells same thing for all

911
00:35:00,030 --> 00:35:04,680
timers plaque and so on you actually

912
00:35:02,610 --> 00:35:06,539
have the ability to break down this

913
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:09,480
protein that you don't want and that's

914
00:35:06,539 --> 00:35:11,820
why a lot of these people there's a lot

915
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,269
of research going on into a tappa G

916
00:35:11,820 --> 00:35:17,120
caloric restriction in terms of

917
00:35:14,269 --> 00:35:19,530
longevity I mean there's a whole calorie

918
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,750
notion which is not really physiologic

919
00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:23,910
but it's the same thing you really want

920
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:27,119
to burn off this excess protein that's

921
00:35:23,909 --> 00:35:29,579
not making it good because the if you

922
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:32,489
don't ever let your body break down this

923
00:35:29,579 --> 00:35:38,150
protein you can't actually build new

924
00:35:32,489 --> 00:35:41,069
protein because it's like if you have a

925
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:43,230
bathroom that you want to renovate the

926
00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:46,620
first thing you got to do is pull out

927
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:49,199
that sort of avocado green tub that was

928
00:35:46,619 --> 00:35:51,630
sitting from the 1970s if you don't pull

929
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:54,389
out that tub you can't put in a nice new

930
00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:56,519
clawfoot tub you have to get rid of it

931
00:35:54,389 --> 00:35:59,279
first yeah then that's the way the body

932
00:35:56,519 --> 00:36:01,710
works if you look at turnover of bone

933
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,630
there's osteoclasts and osteoblasts the

934
00:36:01,710 --> 00:36:06,900
first thing you do when you remodel BOE

935
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:09,690
is chew up the old bone then you lay

936
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:12,510
down new bone and that's healthier then

937
00:36:09,690 --> 00:36:15,659
keeping the old crappy bone there just

938
00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:17,550
like that old avocado green top so you

939
00:36:15,659 --> 00:36:19,349
have to break it down to rebuild it and

940
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:22,230
that's what fasting does it actually

941
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:24,239
breaks down the protein growl hormone

942
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:26,070
goes through the roof and so does

943
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,959
noradrenaline and some people have so

944
00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:30,300
much energy they're like I can't sleep

945
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,449
I'm like waking up at like 3 a.m. and

946
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:36,000
you know doing all this work I'm like

947
00:36:32,449 --> 00:36:38,129
one is like that's great if you want but

948
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,210
if you can't then like yeah you know

949
00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:41,340
that's just one of the things that

950
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:44,159
happens but what you're doing you're

951
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:47,160
allowing access to those energy stores

952
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:49,079
those fat stores remember fat is simply

953
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:51,690
food that's stored away for you to use

954
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:54,690
when there's no food available now that

955
00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:56,849
you've dropped your insulin you're

956
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:58,769
allowing bought your body to access all

957
00:36:56,849 --> 00:37:00,569
those huge stores of energy and the

958
00:36:58,769 --> 00:37:02,699
body's going crazy and it's like yeah

959
00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:05,190
I'm going crazy I'm gonna do this so it

960
00:37:02,699 --> 00:37:07,109
burns it all off and at the same time

961
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:08,820
it's breaking down this protein when you

962
00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:10,680
eat again growth hormone is so high

963
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:12,330
you're going to rebuild your protein so

964
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,049
when you look at clinical studies of

965
00:37:12,329 --> 00:37:15,929
weight loss

966
00:37:13,050 --> 00:37:18,210
you actually get much better retention

967
00:37:15,929 --> 00:37:20,819
of lean mass with an intermittent

968
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:22,920
fasting strategy than a standard sort of

969
00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:24,450
cut 500 calories per day and these are

970
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,269
the sort of myths that are out there

971
00:37:24,449 --> 00:37:28,829
the myth that your metabolites going to

972
00:37:27,269 --> 00:37:31,320
go down it's actually the exact opposite

973
00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:34,259
fasting does much better in terms of

974
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,000
preservation of metabolic rate oh you're

975
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:37,230
gonna lose all this muscle it's

976
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,920
completely false it's actually the

977
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:39,599
opposite

978
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,130
if you try to lose weight with standard

979
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,719
calorie restriction compared to

980
00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:45,450
intermittent fasting and the studies are

981
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,639
there then you will do much better by

982
00:37:45,449 --> 00:37:51,239
doing the fasting because you're you're

983
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:53,250
cycling the the sort of energy source

984
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:56,099
you're just you're allowing your body to

985
00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:58,590
access those energy stores rather than

986
00:37:56,099 --> 00:38:00,480
keeping insulin hiding it away and then

987
00:37:58,590 --> 00:38:02,820
saying okay you can use whatever energy

988
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,679
is coming in through the mouth and it's

989
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:06,630
like 1,200 calories while you burn 1200

990
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:09,000
calories and that's the real problem is

991
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:10,730
that the body and we saw this in the

992
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,639
Biggest Loser so these Biggest Loser

993
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:17,969
diets so they lose a lot of weight yeah

994
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:20,339
and a lot of fat which is great but the

995
00:38:17,969 --> 00:38:24,179
problem is that the metabolic rate just

996
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:26,490
kind of sank like a stone so yeah and

997
00:38:24,179 --> 00:38:28,379
one poor guy who is burning 3400

998
00:38:26,489 --> 00:38:30,750
calories a day went down to like 1800

999
00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:33,119
calories and what does a man drop that's

1000
00:38:30,750 --> 00:38:34,949
a massive drop yeah I mean he he lost a

1001
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:38,699
lot of weight too but then the problem

1002
00:38:34,949 --> 00:38:41,039
is that the body's used to burning this

1003
00:38:38,699 --> 00:38:43,319
amount of calories so say say you

1004
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:46,259
normally take 2,000 calories then you go

1005
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,900
on this 1,500 calorie a day caloric

1006
00:38:46,260 --> 00:38:50,760
restriction diet your body now can only

1007
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,349
burn 1,500 because you haven't dropped

1008
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,240
your insulin you haven't solved this

1009
00:38:52,349 --> 00:38:56,039
sort of hormonal imbalance you're trying

1010
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,239
to solve this kauri imbalance but it's

1011
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,119
not a calorie imbalance you got the

1012
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,299
wrong problem she got the wrong solution

1013
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:04,319
so you drop your calories now the body

1014
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:06,150
insulin is still high because you're

1015
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,820
cutting fat and you're eating six times

1016
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:11,579
a day so your insulin is high you have

1017
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:14,490
no access to body fat you instead of

1018
00:39:11,579 --> 00:39:16,769
burning 2,000 you're burning 1,500 guess

1019
00:39:14,489 --> 00:39:20,369
what you're gonna feel cold you're gonna

1020
00:39:16,769 --> 00:39:22,530
you feel sluggish your hair may fall out

1021
00:39:20,369 --> 00:39:24,569
your nails might get brittle because

1022
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:26,430
everything takes energy your heart needs

1023
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:28,829
to pump your blood pressure your

1024
00:39:26,429 --> 00:39:31,230
liver your kidneys and you've put them

1025
00:39:28,829 --> 00:39:33,510
on this sort of restriction so you're

1026
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:36,059
cold and then your body makes you hungry

1027
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:37,650
you know that Gowland goes up your body

1028
00:39:36,059 --> 00:39:40,380
makes you hungry because it wants to get

1029
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:42,180
backed up to that that weight and your

1030
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:43,800
metabolic rate slowing so you feel cold

1031
00:39:42,179 --> 00:39:46,949
you feel tired you hunt feel hungry you

1032
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,109
feel like crap and you've stopped losing

1033
00:39:46,949 --> 00:39:51,509
weight because your metabolic rate has

1034
00:39:49,108 --> 00:39:53,608
gone down not to 59 that usually goes

1035
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:56,130
down to like 1450 or something like that

1036
00:39:53,608 --> 00:39:59,009
yeah so now you're actually starting to

1037
00:39:56,130 --> 00:40:01,380
regain that weight so you're on 1,500

1038
00:39:59,010 --> 00:40:04,559
calories your body's move this metabolic

1039
00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:06,059
rate from 2,000 to 1450 you're regaining

1040
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:08,040
that way you said forget it I'm going to

1041
00:40:06,059 --> 00:40:11,790
go back up to 1,700 calories

1042
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:14,308
now you just pile on the weight because

1043
00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:15,750
you're still at 1450 mm-hmm and you're

1044
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:18,720
still feeling it like crap because

1045
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:20,309
you're used to burn 2,000 and your

1046
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,529
weights all back to where it was

1047
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:24,240
it's like sound familiar yeah well guess

1048
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:28,079
what that's what every single dieter

1049
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:31,348
does why not instead do the intermittent

1050
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:33,900
fasting drop your insulin levels very

1051
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:36,088
low for a period of time whatever time

1052
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:38,548
it is 16 hours 24 hour whatever it is

1053
00:40:36,088 --> 00:40:42,960
during that time you allow your body to

1054
00:40:38,548 --> 00:40:46,380
burn stored food energy hey why does it

1055
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,970
need to change from 2000 so this is the

1056
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:51,568
difference between calorie restriction

1057
00:40:47,969 --> 00:40:54,629
of 1200 calories and eating one time or

1058
00:40:51,568 --> 00:40:57,900
1200 calories in you know one day is

1059
00:40:54,630 --> 00:41:02,338
that you're taking 1200 calories for

1060
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:04,740
example from food and 800 calories from

1061
00:41:02,338 --> 00:41:07,230
body fat because you've dropped your

1062
00:41:04,739 --> 00:41:09,719
insulin and allowed your body to access

1063
00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:11,960
that body fat now your body's like yeah

1064
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,730
I'm gonna burn 2,000 because I want to

1065
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,530
whereas before when your insulin is high

1066
00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:19,199
you've blocked it off and you can only

1067
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:21,298
burn 1200 and that's the difference

1068
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:23,730
between sort of intermittent fasting and

1069
00:41:21,298 --> 00:41:25,230
just calorie restriction and you can see

1070
00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:27,030
why one works and one doesn't work

1071
00:41:25,230 --> 00:41:30,599
you're simply allowing your body to

1072
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:31,650
access the stored food energy that's on

1073
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,450
your body and guess what

1074
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:35,400
that's what is therefore that's what

1075
00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:37,348
body is the body fat is there for it's

1076
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,220
not there for looks it's there for you

1077
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:40,019
to use

1078
00:41:38,219 --> 00:41:41,429
you know it's so brilliant I really

1079
00:41:40,019 --> 00:41:43,469
wanted add more into insulin I think

1080
00:41:41,429 --> 00:41:45,419
that's a great analogy you know that and

1081
00:41:43,469 --> 00:41:47,549
it really underscoring the importance of

1082
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:49,079
the hormonal balance and speaking of

1083
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:51,300
hormones ghrelin is a hormone people

1084
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:52,858
talk about in the context of like why

1085
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:54,810
women shouldn't fast and there was a

1086
00:41:52,858 --> 00:41:57,358
study came out that show that ghrelin

1087
00:41:54,809 --> 00:41:58,650
reduction was actually better in women

1088
00:41:57,358 --> 00:42:01,049
versus men which i think is interesting

1089
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:02,579
yeah that was a fascinating study so

1090
00:42:01,050 --> 00:42:04,680
they talked about why women shouldn't

1091
00:42:02,579 --> 00:42:08,400
fast and honestly I don't know why

1092
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:11,069
people say that it doesn't really make

1093
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:14,369
any sense I mean if the woman is

1094
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:16,650
underweight or at risk of anorexia sure

1095
00:42:14,369 --> 00:42:18,570
that makes sense like you got to apply

1096
00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:21,210
everything in a clinical context you're

1097
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:23,849
not gonna put a 16 year old 80 pound

1098
00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:24,809
girl on some kind of fasting diet you're

1099
00:42:23,849 --> 00:42:27,539
asking for trouble

1100
00:42:24,809 --> 00:42:31,139
they might get anorexia nervosa sure but

1101
00:42:27,539 --> 00:42:33,389
you put a 250 pound 60 year-old man on

1102
00:42:31,139 --> 00:42:36,629
fasting he's not gonna get any sooner

1103
00:42:33,389 --> 00:42:38,129
Roza okay so women can fast absolutely

1104
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:39,480
then grrrrrr Allen is so so-called

1105
00:42:38,130 --> 00:42:41,730
hunger hormone so the higher it is the

1106
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,070
hungrier on and when they look that food

1107
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:46,858
craving so one of the things that we

1108
00:42:44,070 --> 00:42:49,769
talk about all the time is people when

1109
00:42:46,858 --> 00:42:51,900
they come in the the number one sort of

1110
00:42:49,769 --> 00:42:53,489
concern about fasting is hunger they

1111
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,769
think I can't do it I'm gonna get so

1112
00:42:53,489 --> 00:42:59,009
hungry and what you have to realize is

1113
00:42:55,769 --> 00:43:00,838
that when you look at ghrelin over 24

1114
00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:02,820
hours if you don't even over 24 hours

1115
00:43:00,838 --> 00:43:04,380
you see gorillas spike in a spikes three

1116
00:43:02,820 --> 00:43:06,720
times at breakfast lunch and dinner

1117
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:08,519
so we're trained to eat a lot of people

1118
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,649
are trained to eat three times a day so

1119
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,358
when it comes around to noontime ghrelin

1120
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:16,588
spikes up but he is that doesn't

1121
00:43:12,358 --> 00:43:18,389
continue to go up if you don't eat it

1122
00:43:16,588 --> 00:43:21,838
actually just drops back down to normal

1123
00:43:18,389 --> 00:43:23,338
and anybody who's worked through Dinard

1124
00:43:21,838 --> 00:43:25,469
work through lunch

1125
00:43:23,338 --> 00:43:28,769
knows this because at twelve o'clock one

1126
00:43:25,469 --> 00:43:30,088
o'clock you're hungry but then you're so

1127
00:43:28,769 --> 00:43:33,530
busy you're just working you're working

1128
00:43:30,088 --> 00:43:36,779
or working by four o'clock it's as if

1129
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:38,609
you ain't there's actually no difference

1130
00:43:36,780 --> 00:43:42,540
in hunger if you ate or you didn't eat

1131
00:43:38,608 --> 00:43:45,869
why is that well because insulin fell

1132
00:43:42,539 --> 00:43:48,570
your body essentially ate lunch out of

1133
00:43:45,869 --> 00:43:49,950
your own body fat it's like okay that's

1134
00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:52,980
perfect

1135
00:43:49,949 --> 00:43:54,960
that's exactly what we want it to do but

1136
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:56,670
the hunger does not keep going up it

1137
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,650
comes in waves and I say you got to ride

1138
00:43:56,670 --> 00:44:00,480
those waves out because they will come

1139
00:43:58,650 --> 00:44:02,519
they'll be dinner time you're gonna get

1140
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,800
hungry but if you bribed it out it's

1141
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,900
gonna go down so if you look at food

1142
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,090
cravings you see the same thing so you

1143
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:12,000
can do these questionnaires and this

1144
00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:13,769
study looked at food cravings and they

1145
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,170
compared a sort of standard calorie

1146
00:44:13,769 --> 00:44:18,420
restriction diet to is sort of ultra

1147
00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:20,789
ultra low calorie diet like a couple

1148
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:22,200
hundred calories a day sort of thing and

1149
00:44:20,789 --> 00:44:26,969
what they found was that the cravings

1150
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:29,489
essentially disappeared and women versus

1151
00:44:26,969 --> 00:44:31,289
men had much higher levels of these

1152
00:44:29,489 --> 00:44:32,819
ghrelin spikes and it sort of makes

1153
00:44:31,289 --> 00:44:35,670
sense when you talked about people who

1154
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:38,940
are chocoholics and crave these foods

1155
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:41,990
it's women for more than men whom these

1156
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:44,190
sugar cravings and all that and

1157
00:44:41,989 --> 00:44:46,139
physiologically you see that the women

1158
00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:48,210
have these much higher morale and spikes

1159
00:44:46,139 --> 00:44:51,659
and they come right down when you fast

1160
00:44:48,210 --> 00:44:54,090
them so again if you have cravings the

1161
00:44:51,659 --> 00:44:56,309
important thing is not to say well I'm

1162
00:44:54,090 --> 00:44:59,190
gonna eat a little bit because it's like

1163
00:44:56,309 --> 00:45:02,639
an itch if you're a parent you know that

1164
00:44:59,190 --> 00:45:05,849
you don't touch that edge if you scratch

1165
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:07,650
it it's gonna get worse mm-hmm it's the

1166
00:45:05,849 --> 00:45:09,539
same thing with cravings you don't say

1167
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:11,730
okay I'm gonna take a little bit because

1168
00:45:09,539 --> 00:45:14,099
it's gonna get worse yeah if you take

1169
00:45:11,730 --> 00:45:15,570
those cravings for and it applies to

1170
00:45:14,099 --> 00:45:18,659
everything so you have a craving for

1171
00:45:15,570 --> 00:45:21,570
sweets if you all of a sudden stop

1172
00:45:18,659 --> 00:45:24,029
eating sweets entirely those cravings

1173
00:45:21,570 --> 00:45:25,800
actually disappear so fasting is much

1174
00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:28,590
more powerful because if you have

1175
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,840
cravings for bread and then you just

1176
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:32,519
stop eating bread those cravings will

1177
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,050
actually diminish whereas if you just

1178
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,550
eat oh I'm just gonna eat a little bit

1179
00:45:34,050 --> 00:45:40,860
of bread all the time we're gluten free

1180
00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:42,870
bread low carb prayers not your way even

1181
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:45,269
if you reduce the amount of bread that

1182
00:45:42,869 --> 00:45:47,909
you eat or sweets that you eat because

1183
00:45:45,269 --> 00:45:50,849
you have to take those sort of cravings

1184
00:45:47,909 --> 00:45:52,889
down to a zero level take the food down

1185
00:45:50,849 --> 00:45:55,799
to the zero level and then the cravings

1186
00:45:52,889 --> 00:45:57,839
disappear and that's the real power of

1187
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,610
the intermittent fasting and also the

1188
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,670
ketogenic diets for example so if you're

1189
00:45:59,610 --> 00:46:03,200
eating ultra low carb well after a while

1190
00:46:02,670 --> 00:46:04,909
you soon

1191
00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:07,939
to get used to it and those cravings for

1192
00:46:04,909 --> 00:46:09,769
the carbs go away and that's one of the

1193
00:46:07,940 --> 00:46:12,050
sort of keys to a lot of people's

1194
00:46:09,769 --> 00:46:13,969
success is that once they stop eating it

1195
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:16,160
they find that they don't really need it

1196
00:46:13,969 --> 00:46:17,809
but if you eat it sometimes you're gonna

1197
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:20,509
get those cravings right back they come

1198
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:21,769
right back and and sort of knowing this

1199
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:25,130
is important because then you can say

1200
00:46:21,769 --> 00:46:26,960
well you can now use this information to

1201
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:29,059
your advantage because if you know you

1202
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,190
have this sort of addictive behavior and

1203
00:46:29,059 --> 00:46:34,009
so on you can use these to get rid of

1204
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:37,039
your cravings at the same time do

1205
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:38,630
something which is very healthy and you

1206
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:41,630
know has all these other benefits in

1207
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:43,910
terms of protein breakdown and at off of

1208
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:45,440
G and all these other things yeah and

1209
00:46:43,909 --> 00:46:47,838
that and that's the real key is the

1210
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,309
having that knowledge allows you to sort

1211
00:46:47,838 --> 00:46:51,739
of say okay well I'm gonna do this I'm

1212
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:54,500
gonna do this and this is getting back

1213
00:46:51,739 --> 00:46:59,629
to what I was saying is that to me

1214
00:46:54,500 --> 00:47:02,389
weight loss is really about sort of two

1215
00:46:59,630 --> 00:47:04,099
things what you eat and when you eat and

1216
00:47:02,389 --> 00:47:05,480
sort of we talked endlessly and then to

1217
00:47:04,099 --> 00:47:08,150
see about the what to eat but the when

1218
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:11,150
to eat is sort of completely ignored so

1219
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:13,250
if you ignore sort of like this huge

1220
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:15,318
sort of fifty or sixty percent of the

1221
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:17,690
problem you're gonna fail because you're

1222
00:47:15,318 --> 00:47:19,550
not addressing it because we've gone

1223
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:22,338
from eating sort of three times a day to

1224
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:26,269
somewhere around six to ten times a day

1225
00:47:22,338 --> 00:47:27,858
and we think it's good for you right you

1226
00:47:26,269 --> 00:47:29,630
see this all the time and the question

1227
00:47:27,858 --> 00:47:31,909
is where did this advice that you have

1228
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:33,829
to eat all the time come from food

1229
00:47:31,909 --> 00:47:35,568
industry you know fitness and is up

1230
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:37,730
there it sure didn't come from the

1231
00:47:35,568 --> 00:47:39,739
doctors because no doctor I know has

1232
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:41,659
ever found any study that proves that

1233
00:47:39,739 --> 00:47:43,639
eating six or eight times a day is good

1234
00:47:41,659 --> 00:47:47,690
for you and nobody in the history of

1235
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:51,710
humanity has ever done that because they

1236
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:54,079
have work to do yeah yeah feels you have

1237
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:56,690
to go you know plow the fields you're

1238
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:58,910
not spending all your time eating and

1239
00:47:56,690 --> 00:48:00,889
yet we think that we shouldn't go more

1240
00:47:58,909 --> 00:48:02,509
than a couple of hours without stuffing

1241
00:48:00,889 --> 00:48:04,670
cookies in our mouths and we teach our

1242
00:48:02,510 --> 00:48:07,099
children this yeah you should look at my

1243
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:09,639
son schedule I mean not anymore but when

1244
00:48:07,099 --> 00:48:12,500
they were in like grade school and so on

1245
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:15,348
eat breakfast in the middle of morning a

1246
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:16,559
couple cookies or something lunch after

1247
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:19,380
school those

1248
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:21,299
you know fruit or something dinner and

1249
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:23,940
then you go to soccer and oh in between

1250
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:27,150
the hands Oh another granola bar like

1251
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:29,730
come on you know I used to go out and

1252
00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:32,130
play after dinner and it's like you

1253
00:48:29,730 --> 00:48:33,659
didn't eat you're busy playing you

1254
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:35,309
didn't have to you don't need to stop to

1255
00:48:33,659 --> 00:48:37,170
eat and so you didn't eat anything from

1256
00:48:35,309 --> 00:48:39,690
dinner until at least breakfast the next

1257
00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:41,280
day if you eat breakfast yeah I deal

1258
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:42,840
with that with my daughter right now and

1259
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,670
it seems that there's always a birthday

1260
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,100
party some special event and it's always

1261
00:48:44,670 --> 00:48:48,450
sugar-based foods yeah my topic for

1262
00:48:47,099 --> 00:48:50,159
another conversation but you know I

1263
00:48:48,449 --> 00:48:51,929
think it's really you know kind of

1264
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,699
fascinating about the ladies you know

1265
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:55,799
that ghrelin spike and so forth and

1266
00:48:53,699 --> 00:48:57,599
going back to that just completely I

1267
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,700
don't having you know my problem with

1268
00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:01,500
diet foods is there's the Paleo Donuts

1269
00:48:59,699 --> 00:49:04,379
the low-carb donuts and all this stuff

1270
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:06,199
is emerging for people and like you said

1271
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:08,910
the addition is a kick the habit

1272
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:10,710
obviously we need to enjoy life too and

1273
00:49:08,909 --> 00:49:12,539
have a little you know food periodically

1274
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:14,760
but um you know one whatever advise a

1275
00:49:12,539 --> 00:49:17,579
heroin addict just take a small little

1276
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,290
hit yeah okay just a small like they

1277
00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:21,059
have to go cold turkey so that's kind of

1278
00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:23,279
an interesting yeah and and and again

1279
00:49:21,059 --> 00:49:25,289
the the key is understanding that

1280
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,930
there's a difference between these sort

1281
00:49:25,289 --> 00:49:30,059
of carbohydrate insulin hypothesis and

1282
00:49:27,929 --> 00:49:32,099
the insulin hypothesis the instant

1283
00:49:30,059 --> 00:49:33,389
hypothesis says that insulin is one of

1284
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:35,789
the key regulators of

1285
00:49:33,389 --> 00:49:39,779
body weight which i think is true what's

1286
00:49:35,789 --> 00:49:42,449
not true is that carbs are the only sort

1287
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:46,440
of input into that system and that's

1288
00:49:42,449 --> 00:49:48,899
where a lot of people get into these

1289
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,909
debates because it's like can you eat

1290
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:54,110
high carb foods and still have low

1291
00:49:50,909 --> 00:49:57,299
insulin absolutely so you go back to the

1292
00:49:54,110 --> 00:50:00,450
Okinawan for example they're eating 65%

1293
00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:02,789
sweet potato diets there there's no

1294
00:50:00,449 --> 00:50:05,250
obesity whatsoever you go to the Kitab

1295
00:50:02,789 --> 00:50:07,679
and they're eating sort of 65 70 percent

1296
00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:10,019
carbohydrates their serum insulin levels

1297
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:12,419
are like five percentile compared to a

1298
00:50:10,019 --> 00:50:15,269
Swedish population no obesity

1299
00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:16,980
well why is that well a big part of it

1300
00:50:15,269 --> 00:50:20,099
is that you're not eating all the time

1301
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:22,409
so even though you're eating cassava and

1302
00:50:20,099 --> 00:50:26,489
root vegetables and all this and you got

1303
00:50:22,409 --> 00:50:29,629
to remember again in the 1980s in China

1304
00:50:26,489 --> 00:50:32,629
all white rice and vegetables

1305
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:35,180
eating 10 times a day there's like

1306
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:37,700
almost no sugar in that diet there's a

1307
00:50:35,179 --> 00:50:39,679
lot of carbohydrates so there's you can

1308
00:50:37,699 --> 00:50:40,969
look at the the Chinese and some people

1309
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,199
say oh they're eating brown rice they're

1310
00:50:40,969 --> 00:50:43,730
not eating brown rice like I have

1311
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:47,710
relatives from there everybody's eating

1312
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:50,329
white rice it's all refined grains but

1313
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:53,059
they're not eating all the time they're

1314
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:54,889
eating very little sugar like almost

1315
00:50:53,059 --> 00:50:56,090
zero sugar and I think you know for

1316
00:50:54,889 --> 00:50:58,670
different reasons

1317
00:50:56,090 --> 00:51:00,559
sugar is much much much more fattening

1318
00:50:58,670 --> 00:51:02,630
than any other carbohydrate out there

1319
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:05,269
and this is even though you get no

1320
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:06,860
insulin effect of fructose so fructose

1321
00:51:05,269 --> 00:51:09,469
has no insulin of fact that has no

1322
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:11,599
glycemic index of fact so people used to

1323
00:51:09,469 --> 00:51:13,759
think it's great but it's actually very

1324
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:16,239
very bad for you and I think it's sort

1325
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,490
of like 20 times as fattening as say

1326
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:22,189
Brad which has sort of glucose as

1327
00:51:19,489 --> 00:51:25,129
opposed to the Frog dose mm-hmm

1328
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:28,250
so there's no sugar in that they're not

1329
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:29,750
eating all the time there's no you know

1330
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:32,809
there's there's all these other sort of

1331
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:34,730
mitigating factors that keep their

1332
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:36,949
insulin low so you can eat a low fat

1333
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:38,510
diet you can eat a high fat diet and

1334
00:51:36,949 --> 00:51:39,949
still keep your insulin low and we see

1335
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:42,080
this in traditional societies all over

1336
00:51:39,949 --> 00:51:44,539
the world there are societies that are

1337
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:46,730
based on eating meat and they do fine

1338
00:51:44,539 --> 00:51:49,070
and there's societies that are based on

1339
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:51,559
eating white rice like China and they're

1340
00:51:49,070 --> 00:51:54,650
doing fine obesity wise obesity and type

1341
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:56,840
2 diabetes but yet they're widely vary

1342
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:58,910
in terms of their macronutrients so I

1343
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,530
should never tell people to eat you know

1344
00:51:58,909 --> 00:52:01,909
to watch the macronutrient I don't think

1345
00:52:00,530 --> 00:52:03,560
it's that important but you have to

1346
00:52:01,909 --> 00:52:06,289
always keep in mind the insulin effect

1347
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:09,170
and a huge part of that is sort of

1348
00:52:06,289 --> 00:52:12,590
frequency of eating and getting that way

1349
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:14,389
down so if three per day is sort of what

1350
00:52:12,590 --> 00:52:17,030
people have traditionally done and done

1351
00:52:14,389 --> 00:52:18,710
fairly well with that well that's pretty

1352
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:21,590
good but if you've been eating 10 a day

1353
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:22,970
for the last 10 years going back to 3 a

1354
00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:24,880
day is not gonna cut it you're not gonna

1355
00:52:22,969 --> 00:52:28,369
lose weight like that you got to go

1356
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:31,789
lower than 3 to make up for those surger

1357
00:52:28,369 --> 00:52:34,880
10 yeah years of 10 a day and and and

1358
00:52:31,789 --> 00:52:36,320
you know just like the you know and this

1359
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,809
is where the calories thing in the

1360
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,830
insulin thing really overlaps because

1361
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:42,949
again

1362
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:46,219
anything you eat assuming it's a blend

1363
00:52:42,949 --> 00:52:48,500
of the three macronutrients is going to

1364
00:52:46,219 --> 00:52:50,269
stimulate insulin to some effect and

1365
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:51,969
it's gonna have some calories so there

1366
00:52:50,269 --> 00:52:55,909
is going to be an overlap between

1367
00:52:51,969 --> 00:52:57,409
calories and insulin effect so that's

1368
00:52:55,909 --> 00:52:58,730
where the confusion comes in because

1369
00:52:57,409 --> 00:53:00,619
people say oh it's just all about

1370
00:52:58,730 --> 00:53:01,969
calories like it's not about calories

1371
00:53:00,619 --> 00:53:06,230
there's nothing to do with calories but

1372
00:53:01,969 --> 00:53:08,750
there's an overlap between the two but

1373
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:11,570
what when you look at Islan what you say

1374
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:14,150
is that a hundred calories of certain

1375
00:53:11,570 --> 00:53:16,400
foods are more fattening than hundred

1376
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:18,139
calories of other foods which is sort of

1377
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,510
common sense and what your grandmother

1378
00:53:18,139 --> 00:53:22,489
sort of would have told you like she's

1379
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:24,680
not gonna say oh you know eat cookies

1380
00:53:22,489 --> 00:53:27,109
and for dinner and I've seen this advice

1381
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:29,210
given help by doctors so if you want

1382
00:53:27,110 --> 00:53:31,190
cookies and ice cream eat it instead of

1383
00:53:29,210 --> 00:53:34,490
dinner and you'll be fine oh my god God

1384
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:36,079
yeah no clue because you can't hear you

1385
00:53:34,489 --> 00:53:38,299
can go or that physiology I mean there's

1386
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:42,159
a whole thing to do a satiety for

1387
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:44,870
example remember that as you eat foods

1388
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:47,179
you're gonna activate certain satiety

1389
00:53:44,869 --> 00:53:49,579
signal so if you go to the buffet and

1390
00:53:47,179 --> 00:53:52,429
you eat like a lot like way too much and

1391
00:53:49,579 --> 00:53:54,349
then you try and eat a couple more pork

1392
00:53:52,429 --> 00:53:56,029
chops it's like you'll never do it you

1393
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:58,150
can't do it you can't force the pork

1394
00:53:56,030 --> 00:54:01,070
chop down but if you're to eat some

1395
00:53:58,150 --> 00:54:04,539
cookie you could easily do that there

1396
00:54:01,070 --> 00:54:07,130
were no time for cookies exactly because

1397
00:54:04,539 --> 00:54:09,019
there's no satiety effect of those

1398
00:54:07,130 --> 00:54:12,079
highly refined grains the sugar the

1399
00:54:09,019 --> 00:54:14,630
fructose you're gonna get the calories

1400
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:16,460
you're gonna get the insulin effect but

1401
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:18,829
you're not gonna get any sort of satiety

1402
00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:21,199
effect yeah that's why I used to think

1403
00:54:18,829 --> 00:54:23,299
it's very strange because you can eaten

1404
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:25,579
lunch in this guy I used to think this

1405
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:27,380
is a kid actually it's very strange that

1406
00:54:25,579 --> 00:54:30,259
you can eat lunch or you can eat lunch

1407
00:54:27,380 --> 00:54:32,450
with a big soda and you'll feel exactly

1408
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:35,540
the same in terms of fullness but you've

1409
00:54:32,449 --> 00:54:37,579
taken a lot more calories when you drink

1410
00:54:35,539 --> 00:54:40,279
that big soda it's like I wonder why I

1411
00:54:37,579 --> 00:54:42,529
you know you think of for 2,000 calories

1412
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,170
I should feel the same amount of fall no

1413
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:46,850
it's completely different and this is

1414
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:48,849
the thing with natural foods is that

1415
00:54:46,849 --> 00:54:52,719
they have natural satiety Meck

1416
00:54:48,849 --> 00:54:55,960
so if you eat a lot of beans which is

1417
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,309
all carbohydrates while you'll stretch

1418
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,340
your stomach you'll activate stretch

1419
00:54:57,309 --> 00:55:02,769
receptors if you eat a lot of steak

1420
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:04,329
you're going to activate peptide YY

1421
00:55:02,769 --> 00:55:07,179
which is for protein you're gonna

1422
00:55:04,329 --> 00:55:08,710
activate in cretons which is for you

1423
00:55:07,179 --> 00:55:10,329
know another satiety signal you're gonna

1424
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:11,559
activate cholecystokinin which is a

1425
00:55:10,329 --> 00:55:13,420
satiety signal

1426
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:15,250
you're gonna activate the vagus nerve

1427
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:16,300
also in terms of stretch receptors so

1428
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:18,699
you can eat something which is very

1429
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:20,680
bulky and feel full or you can eat

1430
00:55:18,699 --> 00:55:22,599
something that's very not bulky and feel

1431
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:25,239
full because we have natural satiety

1432
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:30,489
mechanisms and this is part of you know

1433
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:31,899
human physiology because our our we

1434
00:55:30,489 --> 00:55:33,909
don't want to die like we don't want to

1435
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:36,730
stuff ourselves so much like you hear

1436
00:55:33,909 --> 00:55:38,589
these arguments that oh you know we're

1437
00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:40,090
genetically programmed to get fat we

1438
00:55:38,590 --> 00:55:42,730
just eat everything in front of our face

1439
00:55:40,090 --> 00:55:44,320
it was like you try eating that 60 ounce

1440
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:45,400
steak that you'll get for free if you

1441
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,410
eat in an hour

1442
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,349
they're not going out of business any

1443
00:55:47,409 --> 00:55:53,139
time soon because there's powerful

1444
00:55:50,349 --> 00:55:56,230
satiety mechanisms but processing does

1445
00:55:53,139 --> 00:55:58,719
is it removes all that so you take flour

1446
00:55:56,230 --> 00:56:00,969
so if you're to eat carbohydrates like

1447
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,439
beans you're gonna get full even rice

1448
00:56:00,969 --> 00:56:05,619
you're gonna get full but not as full as

1449
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:08,619
you might think but now you take flour

1450
00:56:05,619 --> 00:56:10,389
you take out all the fats you take out

1451
00:56:08,619 --> 00:56:12,190
all the protein because the fat goes

1452
00:56:10,389 --> 00:56:14,799
rancid so you don't want to cook rancid

1453
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:16,869
so if you take out all the fat you take

1454
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,360
out all the protein you cut down a lot

1455
00:56:16,869 --> 00:56:21,549
of the bulk of the fiber well you've

1456
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,500
just lost three satiety signals

1457
00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:26,620
you've lost those stretch receptors in

1458
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:29,050
the stomach you've lost the the protein

1459
00:56:26,619 --> 00:56:32,170
satiety signals and you've lost the fat

1460
00:56:29,050 --> 00:56:34,180
satiety signals then you grind it into a

1461
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:36,639
fine powder because you know flour when

1462
00:56:34,179 --> 00:56:38,319
you throw it up it's very fine you grind

1463
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:41,589
it into a fine powder then it gets

1464
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,360
absorbed super fast so just like okay

1465
00:56:41,590 --> 00:56:45,760
and the reason people grind it up is so

1466
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,470
that they can get that massive high so

1467
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,310
now you grind it up you get this massive

1468
00:56:47,469 --> 00:56:54,369
high when you're eating your white bread

1469
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:57,009
now okay so it's fine for a bit and then

1470
00:56:54,369 --> 00:56:59,199
two hours later it crashes because

1471
00:56:57,010 --> 00:57:01,660
you've just gone spiked up and spiked

1472
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:03,788
down and then you want to eat a

1473
00:57:01,659 --> 00:57:05,379
muffin because you had that bagel in the

1474
00:57:03,789 --> 00:57:07,390
morning and it's all gone now because

1475
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:09,460
it's gone up and down so that's where

1476
00:57:07,389 --> 00:57:14,618
the processing is completely different

1477
00:57:09,460 --> 00:57:17,588
as opposed to say even like a potato if

1478
00:57:14,619 --> 00:57:19,838
you need a baked potato it's pretty

1479
00:57:17,588 --> 00:57:22,719
filling like hard over you does yeah

1480
00:57:19,838 --> 00:57:24,880
it's pretty hard I mean when you process

1481
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:26,919
it when you do things like potato chips

1482
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:31,088
and stuff in that deep fryer and that's

1483
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:33,700
alright yeah it changes things yeah but

1484
00:57:31,088 --> 00:57:35,349
it's pretty difficult to eat to overeat

1485
00:57:33,699 --> 00:57:38,788
a boiled potato like people have put

1486
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:42,369
gone on these potato diets and III

1487
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:44,079
potatoes sometimes it's pretty filling

1488
00:57:42,369 --> 00:57:45,970
like that's why this whole meat and

1489
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:48,760
potatoes you know sort of thing is

1490
00:57:45,969 --> 00:57:51,098
because the me the potato is actually

1491
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,380
one of the highest foods on the satiety

1492
00:57:51,099 --> 00:57:55,269
index so if you eat a potato calorie for

1493
00:57:53,380 --> 00:57:56,769
calorie you will feel more full than

1494
00:57:55,269 --> 00:57:59,949
virtually anything else

1495
00:57:56,769 --> 00:58:02,759
hmm it's hard to overeat boiled potatoes

1496
00:57:59,949 --> 00:58:05,500
yeah baked potatoes is kind of similar

1497
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,930
it's it's pretty hard to overeat that

1498
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:09,639
but again you're activating natural

1499
00:58:07,929 --> 00:58:11,980
satiety mechanisms like the potato is

1500
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:14,078
pretty big it's it's gonna fill up it's

1501
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:16,690
gonna activate these other stretch

1502
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:18,309
receptors it has it's almost all starch

1503
00:58:16,690 --> 00:58:20,230
so there's very little fat very little

1504
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:22,329
protein but it's gonna activate other

1505
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:24,250
things so the Irish for example ate tons

1506
00:58:22,329 --> 00:58:26,559
of potatoes didn't have much of a

1507
00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:27,880
problem until recently until the 70s

1508
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:30,400
just like everybody else

1509
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:35,349
so there's there's a lot of things so

1510
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:36,608
yes there's carbohydrates but what's

1511
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:40,660
really important is the insulin because

1512
00:58:36,608 --> 00:58:43,750
you can eat a sort of low fat diet high

1513
00:58:40,659 --> 00:58:45,608
in carbohydrates and still have low

1514
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:47,440
insulin levels and still have very

1515
00:58:45,608 --> 00:58:49,389
little B C and that that wasn't what

1516
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,059
came out in the diet fit studied so this

1517
00:58:49,389 --> 00:58:54,429
was that study that Chris garner did a

1518
00:58:52,059 --> 00:58:56,589
couple of weeks ago I guess it got

1519
00:58:54,429 --> 00:58:58,358
released and what it showed was that if

1520
00:58:56,588 --> 00:58:59,949
you take people and put on a low fat

1521
00:58:58,358 --> 00:59:03,278
diet and a low carb diet they did

1522
00:58:59,949 --> 00:59:07,689
roughly equally but it wasn't just any

1523
00:59:03,278 --> 00:59:09,699
kind of low low fat diet it's not like

1524
00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:12,909
white bread and jam sort of thing it was

1525
00:59:09,699 --> 00:59:15,929
all unprocessed foods it was all and you

1526
00:59:12,909 --> 00:59:19,029
see that yaki had a period of

1527
00:59:15,929 --> 00:59:22,210
yeah yeah also you weren't supposed to

1528
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:24,310
eat all the time yeah and there were

1529
00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:26,170
another farmers market yeah exactly

1530
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:29,320
there's a whole lot of stuff in there it

1531
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:32,200
wasn't like go out and eat some of some

1532
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:34,809
pasta and white bread yeah it was this

1533
00:59:32,199 --> 00:59:37,359
sort of healthy sort of eat lots of

1534
00:59:34,809 --> 00:59:39,610
vegetables and you know there was a

1535
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,110
whole lot of it and I was looking at

1536
00:59:39,610 --> 00:59:43,630
that study and I was thinking that's

1537
00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:45,519
exactly what we tell people you know

1538
00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:47,289
unprocessed foods because it's not

1539
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:50,349
simply about the carbohydrates we have

1540
00:59:47,289 --> 00:59:52,210
to move past that you have to get into

1541
00:59:50,349 --> 00:59:55,239
this sort of insulin because that's the

1542
00:59:52,210 --> 00:59:58,030
sort of language the body speaks if

1543
00:59:55,239 --> 01:00:00,369
you're speaking about carbs and proteins

1544
00:59:58,030 --> 01:00:02,320
and stuff that's not really there's it's

1545
01:00:00,369 --> 01:00:04,449
closer to but it's not exactly the

1546
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:07,030
language that the body understands the

1547
01:00:04,449 --> 01:00:09,759
body responds to signals which are

1548
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:11,890
hormones so you wanna get your insulin

1549
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,930
high the body's gonna gain weight well

1550
01:00:11,889 --> 01:00:15,789
you can eat a low fat diet you can eat

1551
01:00:13,929 --> 01:00:17,289
low carb diet and still have the same

1552
01:00:15,789 --> 01:00:19,360
effect on insulin so that's where I

1553
01:00:17,289 --> 01:00:21,699
differ from some of the people in terms

1554
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,559
of the carb insulin hypothesis you can

1555
01:00:21,699 --> 01:00:25,599
eat a high protein diet for example all

1556
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:27,789
meat diet you can do all of these things

1557
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:29,799
and still get the same effect of low

1558
01:00:27,789 --> 01:00:31,719
insulin and therefore less obesity less

1559
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,019
type-2 diabetes and that's where

1560
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:36,909
understanding the sort of physiology

1561
01:00:34,019 --> 01:00:39,309
gets you around all these debates and

1562
01:00:36,909 --> 01:00:42,670
you know tries to understand why people

1563
01:00:39,309 --> 01:00:45,279
can eat different diets and still do

1564
01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:46,599
well and and that's the that's you know

1565
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,760
that's what I try and bring out in the

1566
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:53,289
books is sort of the science and the

1567
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:54,940
understanding to do it yeah great I have

1568
01:00:53,289 --> 01:00:56,349
two examples of that definitely one dive

1569
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:57,670
into insulin especially I didn't know

1570
01:00:56,349 --> 01:01:00,309
was discovered here in Toronto

1571
01:00:57,670 --> 01:01:02,349
yeah super fasting but you mentioned the

1572
01:01:00,309 --> 01:01:03,849
satiety signals at Whole Foods garner on

1573
01:01:02,349 --> 01:01:06,069
the body and they're kind of lost in the

1574
01:01:03,849 --> 01:01:07,119
processing of food and one example of a

1575
01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:09,789
remedy that you talk about

1576
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,900
I personally am very interested in this

1577
01:01:09,789 --> 01:01:13,000
as well I've been studying it for a

1578
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:14,920
while its gastric bypass or bariatric

1579
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,449
surgery in the hormonal I'm not a fan of

1580
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,820
the procedure saying that it's good for

1581
01:01:16,449 --> 01:01:20,919
weight loss but admiring the mechanism

1582
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:23,920
of action through which gastric or

1583
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,059
bariatric surgery affects insulin

1584
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,680
resistance is really interesting you

1585
01:01:25,059 --> 01:01:28,239
take a full-blown insulin dependent type

1586
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:29,769
2 diabetic as you know

1587
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:30,848
12 hours after the procedure they don't

1588
01:01:29,769 --> 01:01:32,199
need insulin because they've got

1589
01:01:30,849 --> 01:01:34,599
hormones that you mentioned are

1590
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:37,179
upregulated with whole real food are

1591
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:39,670
super physiologic we up regular and so

1592
01:01:37,179 --> 01:01:43,329
yeah bariatric surgery is fascinating

1593
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:45,250
because it's quite successful and people

1594
01:01:43,329 --> 01:01:47,199
used to say well why does it work

1595
01:01:45,250 --> 01:01:49,210
maybe it's because you cut out a big

1596
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:51,159
swath of the stomach right you come in

1597
01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:52,510
with like 90% of the stomach and

1598
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:55,420
therefore you can't produce certain

1599
01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:57,369
hormones well the problem with that is

1600
01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:59,050
that you can do gastric banding where

1601
01:01:57,369 --> 01:02:00,579
you put a sort of belt around the

1602
01:01:59,050 --> 01:02:02,920
stomach and cinch it really tight and

1603
01:02:00,579 --> 01:02:04,539
you get the same effect since you're not

1604
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:08,440
cutting out any part of the stomach then

1605
01:02:04,539 --> 01:02:10,088
the benefits cannot be from from from

1606
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,789
cutting out the stomach and the truth is

1607
01:02:10,088 --> 01:02:15,159
that the the effect is simply a severe

1608
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:18,460
caloric restriction you're basically

1609
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:21,039
putting them very close to fasting as

1610
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:23,230
much as you possibly can for months at a

1611
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:25,000
time I mean they're eating so little

1612
01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:27,190
that you're you might as well be fasting

1613
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,510
so fasting you know the whole point is

1614
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:30,010
to get your insulin down now you're not

1615
01:02:28,510 --> 01:02:31,839
eating you can't eat because they've cut

1616
01:02:30,010 --> 01:02:34,300
out all your stomach and they've rewired

1617
01:02:31,838 --> 01:02:35,769
your intestines so that you you know

1618
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:37,810
even if you eat food it's not getting

1619
01:02:35,769 --> 01:02:39,699
absorbed well what's gonna happen well

1620
01:02:37,809 --> 01:02:41,650
instance gonna drop and I'm gonna keep

1621
01:02:39,699 --> 01:02:43,179
dropping so what's gonna happen is that

1622
01:02:41,650 --> 01:02:45,460
your body's gonna burn off all that

1623
01:02:43,179 --> 01:02:47,710
sugar or not the sugar diabetes goes

1624
01:02:45,460 --> 01:02:49,780
away bad as it burns off all that sugar

1625
01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:51,670
then it's gonna burn all that fat and

1626
01:02:49,780 --> 01:02:54,310
guess what the weight loss is very very

1627
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:55,750
good so the mechanism is quite easy to

1628
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:59,049
understand once you understand that it's

1629
01:02:55,750 --> 01:03:00,550
really about changing the insulin which

1630
01:02:59,050 --> 01:03:01,990
is the main hormone it's not the only

1631
01:03:00,550 --> 01:03:05,140
hormone that's responsible for weight

1632
01:03:01,989 --> 01:03:06,489
gain cortisol is another one but for the

1633
01:03:05,139 --> 01:03:07,989
most part it's about insulin so that

1634
01:03:06,489 --> 01:03:10,358
once you understand that you can see

1635
01:03:07,989 --> 01:03:11,889
this is why Bariatrics is so affected

1636
01:03:10,358 --> 01:03:14,108
and sometimes you say well this is

1637
01:03:11,889 --> 01:03:16,269
really just medical Bariatrics all these

1638
01:03:14,108 --> 01:03:18,909
fasting therapies is just medical

1639
01:03:16,269 --> 01:03:21,519
Bariatrics and and but it's not easy

1640
01:03:18,909 --> 01:03:25,000
it's not fun and that's really one of

1641
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:27,130
the things that we try to do so we have

1642
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,280
a program for this which is the

1643
01:03:27,130 --> 01:03:33,220
intensive dietary management program and

1644
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:36,460
people can join and we have sort of so

1645
01:03:33,219 --> 01:03:38,439
the website is IDM program com

1646
01:03:36,460 --> 01:03:40,858
and if you know we put out a lot of

1647
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,679
stuff for free like these sort of videos

1648
01:03:40,858 --> 01:03:46,509
and we do podcasts and blog I do weekly

1649
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:49,239
blog post and there's lots of free stuff

1650
01:03:46,510 --> 01:03:50,830
and if people can just get the

1651
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:53,379
information and there's the books either

1652
01:03:50,829 --> 01:03:54,639
that are very inexpensive or you can

1653
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:57,160
take it from the library so there's a

1654
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:58,719
lot of information out there but

1655
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:01,920
sometimes people want a little bit more

1656
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:04,088
guidance so what we've done is we've

1657
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,338
provided sort of a little bit more

1658
01:04:04,088 --> 01:04:08,440
guidance question and the answers group

1659
01:04:06,338 --> 01:04:10,509
fast because again it's about building

1660
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,200
this community of people who will help

1661
01:04:10,510 --> 01:04:13,839
each other

1662
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:16,480
and that's one of the secrets of any

1663
01:04:13,838 --> 01:04:18,460
kind of behavior change is that you do

1664
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,530
better in a group so whether you're

1665
01:04:18,460 --> 01:04:23,619
looking at Weight Watchers or Alcoholics

1666
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:25,990
Anonymous the point is that changing

1667
01:04:23,619 --> 01:04:27,910
behaviors is difficult to do and if you

1668
01:04:25,989 --> 01:04:29,348
have people who will support you your

1669
01:04:27,909 --> 01:04:31,569
success rate is going to be much much

1670
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:33,820
higher so we're trying to put together a

1671
01:04:31,570 --> 01:04:37,059
community in our membership program that

1672
01:04:33,820 --> 01:04:38,920
people can join for a fee and then get

1673
01:04:37,059 --> 01:04:40,389
the guidance from sort of trained

1674
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,809
professionals that they need they get

1675
01:04:40,389 --> 01:04:45,279
the sort of extra extra help that they

1676
01:04:43,809 --> 01:04:47,289
need to do it if you can do it on your

1677
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,089
own great but most people they get out

1678
01:04:47,289 --> 01:04:50,889
that they start fasting and then some

1679
01:04:49,088 --> 01:04:52,719
doctor tells them oh god you're gonna

1680
01:04:50,889 --> 01:04:55,179
kill yourself and then they're done and

1681
01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:57,159
then it's like oh but you know you could

1682
01:04:55,179 --> 01:04:59,588
have gained so much with it and then we

1683
01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:01,420
also have sort of an additional program

1684
01:04:59,588 --> 01:05:03,309
where people will provide sort of small

1685
01:05:01,420 --> 01:05:05,800
group sort of in groups of three or four

1686
01:05:03,309 --> 01:05:06,789
of course anytime you do that it's much

1687
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,289
more expensive because you're getting

1688
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:10,960
sort of personalized care but at least

1689
01:05:08,289 --> 01:05:13,150
it's available for you so there's we try

1690
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,159
and provide sort of everything from the

1691
01:05:13,150 --> 01:05:18,160
free stuff to the books and the podcast

1692
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:20,829
and you know the stuff we're doing here

1693
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:23,199
the you know so that you know I hope

1694
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:25,210
people can just listen and do it

1695
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:27,159
themselves but hey if you if you need

1696
01:05:25,210 --> 01:05:28,809
some help or we're also here we can give

1697
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:31,629
you more help if you need it the

1698
01:05:28,809 --> 01:05:33,460
membership site is $39 a month I think

1699
01:05:31,630 --> 01:05:35,680
and it's like we do these group files

1700
01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:38,230
which are very popular so that people

1701
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:39,879
fast all together for three or four days

1702
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:42,099
and it's not necessarily you do the full

1703
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,349
four days maybe you do a 24-hour fast

1704
01:05:42,099 --> 01:05:45,850
for three days or

1705
01:05:44,349 --> 01:05:48,909
but because you're doing it with a group

1706
01:05:45,849 --> 01:05:51,369
of sort of supportive people it's easier

1707
01:05:48,909 --> 01:05:53,049
and then you get the benefit and and in

1708
01:05:51,369 --> 01:05:54,969
school we understand this we call it

1709
01:05:53,050 --> 01:05:58,539
peer pressure and it's got a negative

1710
01:05:54,969 --> 01:06:00,159
connotation in as adults it's called

1711
01:05:58,539 --> 01:06:01,509
peer support because it's like we're

1712
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:03,579
trying to change behavior and you're

1713
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:06,340
joining a group to get the support that

1714
01:06:03,579 --> 01:06:08,619
you need and guess what it's like very

1715
01:06:06,340 --> 01:06:10,809
very important it's it's actually like

1716
01:06:08,619 --> 01:06:12,400
it sounds like it's it's one of these

1717
01:06:10,809 --> 01:06:14,500
kind of throw away things but it's

1718
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,849
actually as we started doing our program

1719
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:18,760
we've been doing it for about five years

1720
01:06:15,849 --> 01:06:20,679
now that was one of the sort of keys to

1721
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,570
success was getting people into the

1722
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:24,699
small groups and into the bigger groups

1723
01:06:22,570 --> 01:06:27,160
where people can talk about fasting

1724
01:06:24,699 --> 01:06:30,879
without getting laughed at essentially

1725
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:32,829
and that's been very important and then

1726
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,050
I realized of course that's the whole

1727
01:06:32,829 --> 01:06:37,989
secret of Weight Watchers or the biggest

1728
01:06:35,050 --> 01:06:38,980
Oprah led company now but their diets

1729
01:06:37,989 --> 01:06:41,169
nothing special

1730
01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:43,000
it's a decent-enough diet but you could

1731
01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:45,670
have gotten that diet anywhere right you

1732
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:48,489
could have gone to any book and gotten

1733
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:51,880
that diet the secret sauce was the peer

1734
01:06:48,489 --> 01:06:53,889
support Alcoholics Anonymous again peer

1735
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,570
support being out there and we're

1736
01:06:53,889 --> 01:06:57,969
fighting such a big fight because the

1737
01:06:55,570 --> 01:07:01,090
the conventional dietary advice is to

1738
01:06:57,969 --> 01:07:04,599
eat sort of eight ten times a day eat

1739
01:07:01,090 --> 01:07:06,579
these low fat foods so we're sort of

1740
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:08,710
swimming upstream in terms of our advice

1741
01:07:06,579 --> 01:07:11,049
because we generally advise people to

1742
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:13,659
eat sort of whole unprocessed real foods

1743
01:07:11,050 --> 01:07:15,580
often low carbs or not necessarily and

1744
01:07:13,659 --> 01:07:17,649
then intermittent fasting whether it's

1745
01:07:15,579 --> 01:07:19,779
less than a day or more than a day and

1746
01:07:17,650 --> 01:07:22,539
that's where people it gets people's

1747
01:07:19,780 --> 01:07:24,940
kind of goat up is that the in term in

1748
01:07:22,539 --> 01:07:27,400
fasting really scares a lot of these

1749
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:29,050
people and then they get scared out of

1750
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,760
it right away they don't have that peer

1751
01:07:29,050 --> 01:07:33,340
support so we're trying to build that in

1752
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,050
into our program and if that's what you

1753
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:38,559
need you know we're hopefully providing

1754
01:07:35,050 --> 01:07:40,060
it at a fairly reasonable price I mean

1755
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:43,840
if you're if you're skipping a meal I

1756
01:07:40,059 --> 01:07:45,880
mean that that's like the cost of you're

1757
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,730
gonna come out ahead if you do that

1758
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,990
totally that's awesome IDM program comm

1759
01:07:48,730 --> 01:07:51,550
program

1760
01:07:49,989 --> 01:07:53,229
the show notes in blue this video and

1761
01:07:51,550 --> 01:07:54,490
then let's kind of finish off on the

1762
01:07:53,230 --> 01:07:56,650
book a little bit a few things a few

1763
01:07:54,489 --> 01:07:59,109
that I remember like they're inked in my

1764
01:07:56,650 --> 01:08:01,450
head you can't fix a dietary disease

1765
01:07:59,110 --> 01:08:03,369
with medicine I might box out a little

1766
01:08:01,449 --> 01:08:05,019
bit but I think that's really important

1767
01:08:03,369 --> 01:08:07,809
because you know a lot of people don't

1768
01:08:05,019 --> 01:08:10,000
realize that traditional medical system

1769
01:08:07,809 --> 01:08:11,349
like the solution and for a lot of

1770
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,929
traditionally trained practitioners is

1771
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:14,980
insulin more and more insulin and what

1772
01:08:13,929 --> 01:08:19,210
happens when you get more and more

1773
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:23,890
insulin yeah the problem is that type 2

1774
01:08:19,210 --> 01:08:29,020
diabetes is he really misunderstood

1775
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:31,298
disease by the doctors then what they

1776
01:08:29,020 --> 01:08:34,390
don't understand is that they're

1777
01:08:31,298 --> 01:08:36,850
treating sort of the blood glucose well

1778
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:39,368
so the blood glucose or blood sugar is

1779
01:08:36,850 --> 01:08:43,509
high so they try and get it down if you

1780
01:08:39,368 --> 01:08:46,328
give insulin well does that get rid of

1781
01:08:43,509 --> 01:08:48,578
the sugar and the answer is no you

1782
01:08:46,328 --> 01:08:52,269
simply the insulin takes that sugar

1783
01:08:48,578 --> 01:08:54,368
it simply crams it into your liver okay

1784
01:08:52,270 --> 01:08:56,560
and then liver turns it into factor de

1785
01:08:54,368 --> 01:08:59,288
novo lipogenesis or sends that sugars

1786
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,839
everywhere else so sugar goes into your

1787
01:08:59,288 --> 01:09:04,238
eyes and your liver into your nerves

1788
01:09:01,837 --> 01:09:07,600
into your legs into your heart and what

1789
01:09:04,238 --> 01:09:09,969
happens well what happens over decades

1790
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,560
is that as you keep cramming the sugar

1791
01:09:09,970 --> 01:09:13,060
from that blood you had excess trigger

1792
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,529
in the blood you never got rid of it but

1793
01:09:13,060 --> 01:09:17,080
you took insulin to cram it into your

1794
01:09:14,529 --> 01:09:19,479
body your body sort of just blows up

1795
01:09:17,078 --> 01:09:23,318
with way too much sugar and then every

1796
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:25,118
part of your Anatomy just rots so you're

1797
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:27,220
gonna go blind and you get heart attacks

1798
01:09:25,118 --> 01:09:29,198
you get strokes and get nerve damage and

1799
01:09:27,220 --> 01:09:30,729
get amputations you get diabetic foot

1800
01:09:29,198 --> 01:09:33,189
infections and it's like why do

1801
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:36,189
diabetics get infections that nobody

1802
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:38,078
else in the whole world gets go is there

1803
01:09:36,189 --> 01:09:40,000
sugar there's so much sugar sitting

1804
01:09:38,078 --> 01:09:42,488
around in that foot then you get

1805
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:46,509
infections like yeast infections that

1806
01:09:42,488 --> 01:09:49,568
love the sugar and it's crazy because

1807
01:09:46,509 --> 01:09:51,779
what it means is that type 2 diabetes is

1808
01:09:49,569 --> 01:09:54,789
essentially being treated completely

1809
01:09:51,779 --> 01:09:57,070
incorrectly we're treating the blood

1810
01:09:54,789 --> 01:10:00,220
glucose so we know the blood glucose is

1811
01:09:57,069 --> 01:10:02,289
high because of the type 2 diabetes but

1812
01:10:00,220 --> 01:10:05,470
the blood glucose is not the disease

1813
01:10:02,289 --> 01:10:08,170
the symptom so if you treat the symptom

1814
01:10:05,470 --> 01:10:09,490
but don't treat the disease then you're

1815
01:10:08,170 --> 01:10:11,859
not going to get anywhere it's

1816
01:10:09,489 --> 01:10:14,439
symptomatic treatment and that's the

1817
01:10:11,859 --> 01:10:16,449
real problem we are treating the symptom

1818
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,879
and pretending like that's the real

1819
01:10:16,449 --> 01:10:21,069
disease so yes we got the blood glucose

1820
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:23,140
down have you treated the type 2

1821
01:10:21,069 --> 01:10:26,380
diabetes with your insulin and the

1822
01:10:23,140 --> 01:10:28,000
answer is no well everybody knows that

1823
01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:28,539
if you lose weight your diabetes gets

1824
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,739
better

1825
01:10:28,539 --> 01:10:34,119
so insulin makes you gain weight so

1826
01:10:31,739 --> 01:10:36,729
right your diabetes not getting better

1827
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:38,800
it's getting worse and the whole point

1828
01:10:36,729 --> 01:10:41,109
is that you simply can't take the sugar

1829
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,520
in your blood and cram it away where you

1830
01:10:41,109 --> 01:10:45,609
can't see it and pretend you're better

1831
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:49,180
you got to get rid of that sugar so in

1832
01:10:45,609 --> 01:10:51,789
essence the simplest way to understand

1833
01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:54,100
type-2 diabetes is that there's just too

1834
01:10:51,789 --> 01:10:57,039
much sugar in the body the body is

1835
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:58,930
overfilled with sugar well if it's

1836
01:10:57,039 --> 01:11:00,819
overfilled with sugar then you just

1837
01:10:58,930 --> 01:11:03,520
gotta get rid of the sugar what do you

1838
01:11:00,819 --> 01:11:07,359
do 1 don't put more sugar in eat a low

1839
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:10,530
carbohydrate diet and number 2 burn it

1840
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:13,539
all off and that's intermittent fasting

1841
01:11:10,529 --> 01:11:16,960
so what we've done is we've taken this

1842
01:11:13,539 --> 01:11:18,720
dietary disease and instead of treating

1843
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,369
the root cause of it which is the diet

1844
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:23,289
we're eating too much too much

1845
01:11:21,369 --> 01:11:25,420
carbohydrates predominantly because we

1846
01:11:23,289 --> 01:11:28,630
were told to and we're eating too too

1847
01:11:25,420 --> 01:11:30,369
many times too frequently but what we've

1848
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:34,329
done is instead of treating the actual

1849
01:11:30,369 --> 01:11:35,739
cause of it we tried to drug it we're

1850
01:11:34,329 --> 01:11:38,409
trying to drug these people back to

1851
01:11:35,739 --> 01:11:39,849
health then we're not treating what was

1852
01:11:38,409 --> 01:11:42,250
the actual problem in the first place

1853
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:45,100
and then we wonder why is everybody

1854
01:11:42,250 --> 01:11:48,760
getting worse in the worst part is that

1855
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:51,550
the answer that most specialist

1856
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:53,590
researchers give is that type 2 diabetes

1857
01:11:51,550 --> 01:11:56,199
is just like that it's a chronic and

1858
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:57,610
progressive disease it's like no it's

1859
01:11:56,199 --> 01:12:00,159
chronic and progressive because you

1860
01:11:57,609 --> 01:12:02,739
treated it completely wrong the disease

1861
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:04,539
is actually reversible we know that

1862
01:12:02,739 --> 01:12:05,529
anybody who loses weight the diabetes

1863
01:12:04,539 --> 01:12:08,319
refers to as we knew that from

1864
01:12:05,529 --> 01:12:10,869
Bariatrics you can take the most severe

1865
01:12:08,319 --> 01:12:13,210
type 2 diabetic and within 2 weeks

1866
01:12:10,869 --> 01:12:14,159
they'll be off of all their insulin for

1867
01:12:13,210 --> 01:12:15,810
example

1868
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:19,139
because they're basically burning it all

1869
01:12:15,810 --> 01:12:20,789
off because they're fasting it's not

1870
01:12:19,140 --> 01:12:22,710
really hard to understand if you don't

1871
01:12:20,789 --> 01:12:24,420
eat you're gonna burn off that sugar

1872
01:12:22,710 --> 01:12:25,649
your blood sugar will drop if your blood

1873
01:12:24,420 --> 01:12:27,449
sugar drops you don't need to take

1874
01:12:25,649 --> 01:12:29,250
insulin well that's not so hard to

1875
01:12:27,449 --> 01:12:31,970
understand but now you're dealing with

1876
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:34,859
the actual problem of sugar overload as

1877
01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:38,750
opposed to trying to give more insulin

1878
01:12:34,859 --> 01:12:43,229
so here we have a situation which is

1879
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:45,869
sort of mind-boggling that 99% of

1880
01:12:43,229 --> 01:12:49,139
diabetics type 2 diabetics in this

1881
01:12:45,869 --> 01:12:52,500
country in this world are actually being

1882
01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:55,230
treated I think completely incorrectly

1883
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:55,920
and that's why since everybody's getting

1884
01:12:55,229 --> 01:12:57,719
worse

1885
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,310
the doctors say well it's chronic and

1886
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,240
progressive because I gave them insulin

1887
01:12:59,310 --> 01:13:02,130
and they got worse

1888
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:05,279
so therefore the disease must be like

1889
01:13:02,130 --> 01:13:08,010
that yet at the same time knowing that

1890
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:09,689
this disease cannot possibly like that

1891
01:13:08,010 --> 01:13:11,640
because we just proved it with our

1892
01:13:09,689 --> 01:13:14,250
bariatric surgery that we could take

1893
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,900
this guy do something to him which is

1894
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:19,010
basically fast them for like three

1895
01:13:15,899 --> 01:13:21,779
months and make him completely better

1896
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:24,420
everybody who has type 2 diabetes is

1897
01:13:21,779 --> 01:13:27,809
reversible except up until the very late

1898
01:13:24,420 --> 01:13:30,119
stage that's a fact that we've sort of

1899
01:13:27,810 --> 01:13:32,940
proven with our bariatric surgery and

1900
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:35,760
it's a fact that we already knew because

1901
01:13:32,939 --> 01:13:37,739
we know that if your friend loses 50

1902
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,739
pounds he's gonna get off his diabetic

1903
01:13:37,739 --> 01:13:42,899
medication no doctors gonna say oh I

1904
01:13:40,739 --> 01:13:46,409
wonder why that happened it's like well

1905
01:13:42,899 --> 01:13:48,059
obviously right but so we know this for

1906
01:13:46,409 --> 01:13:49,710
a fact that it's a reversible disease

1907
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:50,640
yet we pretend it's chronic from

1908
01:13:49,710 --> 01:13:52,289
progressive because we've been doing

1909
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:56,250
such a bad job because we've been using

1910
01:13:52,289 --> 01:13:57,479
the wrong treatment interesting when in

1911
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:59,039
your career so you've been practicing

1912
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,229
medicine for over 20 years right about

1913
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:02,850
20 years and you talked about in the

1914
01:14:01,229 --> 01:14:04,619
book like I know how to make people fat

1915
01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:06,960
you know you're in some system give them

1916
01:14:04,619 --> 01:14:09,090
insulin at what point did you see enough

1917
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,560
patients gain more and more weight when

1918
01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:12,869
you were falling the standard of care

1919
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,860
that you said this can't be right well

1920
01:14:12,869 --> 01:14:19,829
it was it took a little time yeah dogmas

1921
01:14:16,859 --> 01:14:21,569
very hard to break and interestingly it

1922
01:14:19,829 --> 01:14:23,789
was the patients who all knew they're

1923
01:14:21,569 --> 01:14:25,869
all like you know you gave me insulin

1924
01:14:23,789 --> 01:14:28,390
I'm gaining weight like crazy here

1925
01:14:25,869 --> 01:14:30,760
like how is that good and the answer is

1926
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:32,560
it wasn't good but I didn't know the

1927
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:36,010
answer so I said well you know it's just

1928
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:37,420
the way it is I mean that's that's what

1929
01:14:36,010 --> 01:14:40,770
I said that's what everyone else said

1930
01:14:37,420 --> 01:14:42,940
too but at some point I mean it was

1931
01:14:40,770 --> 01:14:44,980
2008-2009 that we started getting some

1932
01:14:42,939 --> 01:14:47,409
of the data that really showed that

1933
01:14:44,979 --> 01:14:49,750
giving insulin is not a good idea to

1934
01:14:47,409 --> 01:14:53,529
type two diabetics which when you look

1935
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:55,479
back at it is completely sort of

1936
01:14:53,529 --> 01:14:59,590
rational that is we know in type 2

1937
01:14:55,479 --> 01:15:02,529
diabetes that insulin levels are high so

1938
01:14:59,590 --> 01:15:04,510
why are you giving more insulin I mean

1939
01:15:02,529 --> 01:15:06,369
isn't that like giving alcohol to an

1940
01:15:04,510 --> 01:15:08,800
alcoholic how do you think they're gonna

1941
01:15:06,369 --> 01:15:10,930
get better if you give alcohol to an

1942
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:13,390
alcoholic they're they're shaking might

1943
01:15:10,930 --> 01:15:16,570
get better but their alcoholism which is

1944
01:15:13,390 --> 01:15:18,579
the actual disease gets worse so it's

1945
01:15:16,569 --> 01:15:20,199
the same thing you give insulin to

1946
01:15:18,579 --> 01:15:22,779
somebody has too much insulin the blood

1947
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:23,439
sugar gets better but the diabetes gets

1948
01:15:22,779 --> 01:15:25,809
worse

1949
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:29,049
and that's what we've been doing we've

1950
01:15:25,810 --> 01:15:33,490
been treating these addicts with heroin

1951
01:15:29,050 --> 01:15:35,500
it's like oh my god and what's scary is

1952
01:15:33,489 --> 01:15:38,739
that people are still doing it today

1953
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:43,359
right now and pretending it's the right

1954
01:15:38,739 --> 01:15:46,029
treatment it's like oh okay well that's

1955
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:47,649
not a good there's a lot a good idea and

1956
01:15:46,029 --> 01:15:49,300
there's like no wonder everybody's

1957
01:15:47,649 --> 01:15:50,769
getting worse no wonder the health of

1958
01:15:49,300 --> 01:15:54,520
the nation is getting worse because

1959
01:15:50,770 --> 01:15:56,230
we've sort of focused on the wrong sort

1960
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:59,050
of quadrant which is we think it's a

1961
01:15:56,229 --> 01:16:00,969
drug problem but it's a diet problem we

1962
01:15:59,050 --> 01:16:02,920
took type 1 diabetes which is where

1963
01:16:00,970 --> 01:16:05,530
insulin very low so if insulin is very

1964
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:08,710
low then give insulin that's a good

1965
01:16:05,529 --> 01:16:10,389
treatment citizens very high don't give

1966
01:16:08,710 --> 01:16:12,100
insulin that's not a good treatment yeah

1967
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:13,480
you know ladies you said not solving the

1968
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:15,850
root cause of the problem it's not an

1969
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:18,399
insulin deficiency syndrome as type 1

1970
01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:19,990
diabetes is you have two receptor gosh

1971
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:21,189
we could go on and talk all about this

1972
01:16:19,989 --> 01:16:23,050
stuff I really want to commend you for

1973
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:25,239
all your great work both the books the

1974
01:16:23,050 --> 01:16:27,010
obesity code really changed my mind on a

1975
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:29,289
lot of different things particularly

1976
01:16:27,010 --> 01:16:31,390
that the time the latency how long

1977
01:16:29,289 --> 01:16:32,800
someone has been overweight that that

1978
01:16:31,390 --> 01:16:34,030
it's going to affect their weight loss

1979
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,980
and I think that's something that people

1980
01:16:34,029 --> 01:16:38,229
really need to think about you know

1981
01:16:35,979 --> 01:16:39,849
because if they see the lean purse

1982
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:41,439
and get shredded for spring break and

1983
01:16:39,850 --> 01:16:44,470
like why I want to do that but they've

1984
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,909
been overweight for 35 years so we need

1985
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:47,770
to be realized and that calorie three

1986
01:16:45,909 --> 01:16:50,949
theories simply can't explain that

1987
01:16:47,770 --> 01:16:54,520
because the calorie theory would say

1988
01:16:50,949 --> 01:16:57,579
that if you've been overweight for ten

1989
01:16:54,520 --> 01:17:00,880
years or ten days it's the same yeah you

1990
01:16:57,579 --> 01:17:03,609
create that caloric deficit and you're

1991
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,650
both is a lose weight yeah and everybody

1992
01:17:03,609 --> 01:17:07,988
knows that's not gonna happen right

1993
01:17:05,649 --> 01:17:09,579
and yet we pretend oh yeah of course of

1994
01:17:07,988 --> 01:17:10,988
course it's all about calories it's like

1995
01:17:09,579 --> 01:17:12,488
what are you like do you live in the

1996
01:17:10,988 --> 01:17:15,519
real world like do you actually treat

1997
01:17:12,488 --> 01:17:17,889
people because everybody knows that that

1998
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,020
guy who's been overweight for thirty

1999
01:17:17,890 --> 01:17:24,010
years that those pounds ain't coming off

2000
01:17:20,020 --> 01:17:26,200
yeah like in ten days like like like the

2001
01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:28,869
20 year old who gained a few pounds from

2002
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:30,760
a few beers at spring break right so

2003
01:17:28,869 --> 01:17:31,809
yeah absolutely that's that's that's the

2004
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,000
key to understanding and the

2005
01:17:31,810 --> 01:17:36,910
physiologies all been there but it's

2006
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:42,069
been sort of distorted by all of this

2007
01:17:36,909 --> 01:17:44,340
sort of you know other interests like

2008
01:17:42,069 --> 01:17:47,439
particularly food companies for example

2009
01:17:44,340 --> 01:17:51,039
sugary beverage companies who want the

2010
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:54,099
calorie theory to be correct and this is

2011
01:17:51,039 --> 01:17:57,220
one of the things that you know we're

2012
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:59,710
really looking to get into is sort of

2013
01:17:57,220 --> 01:18:03,640
advocacy to get the sort of conflicts of

2014
01:17:59,710 --> 01:18:06,130
interest out of medicine having been in

2015
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:09,280
medicine I realized that there's

2016
01:18:06,130 --> 01:18:11,980
actually all these problems like there's

2017
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:14,050
not just pharmaceuticals but you know

2018
01:18:11,979 --> 01:18:16,500
the research so we all pretend we live

2019
01:18:14,050 --> 01:18:20,170
in this world of evidence-based medicine

2020
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:23,560
the problem is if all the met if all the

2021
01:18:20,170 --> 01:18:25,690
evidence is corrupt then evidence-based

2022
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,489
medicine is also going to be corrupt so

2023
01:18:25,689 --> 01:18:29,019
if all your evidence is produced by

2024
01:18:27,488 --> 01:18:31,659
pharmaceuticals is produced by people

2025
01:18:29,020 --> 01:18:34,120
getting paid by the sugar industry for

2026
01:18:31,659 --> 01:18:36,510
example well you're gonna think sugar is

2027
01:18:34,119 --> 01:18:39,670
fine and we have studies that prove that

2028
01:18:36,510 --> 01:18:42,520
a funded study so if you fund a study

2029
01:18:39,670 --> 01:18:45,039
then you're like something like six to

2030
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:47,320
ten times more likely to finding result

2031
01:18:45,039 --> 01:18:50,590
favoring your sponsor well that's just

2032
01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:51,969
human nature so we have a guy in Toronto

2033
01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:54,369
a dr. Stephen Piper

2034
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:56,260
who is out there all the time saying

2035
01:18:54,369 --> 01:18:58,899
sugars good fructose is good it's like a

2036
01:18:56,260 --> 01:19:01,150
health food like okay that's really dumb

2037
01:18:58,899 --> 01:19:03,189
that's what I'm thinking and then of

2038
01:19:01,149 --> 01:19:05,199
course in the newspaper in the National

2039
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:06,789
Post last year which is our national

2040
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:08,439
newspaper it's like oh yeah he takes

2041
01:19:06,789 --> 01:19:10,479
hundreds of thousands of dollars from

2042
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,729
the sugar industry coca-cola and

2043
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:15,549
everybody I'm like okay makes sense well

2044
01:19:12,729 --> 01:19:17,169
here's this makes total sense and here's

2045
01:19:15,550 --> 01:19:19,930
the sugar industry funding the

2046
01:19:17,170 --> 01:19:21,850
University of Toronto which is happily

2047
01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:24,789
taking all this cash they're taking all

2048
01:19:21,850 --> 01:19:28,240
this money and producing shoddy research

2049
01:19:24,789 --> 01:19:31,269
it's like I don't blame the sugar

2050
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:33,369
company the sugar company or the

2051
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:36,870
pharmaceutical or the big food company I

2052
01:19:33,369 --> 01:19:39,970
don't blame them at all because their

2053
01:19:36,869 --> 01:19:42,729
responsibility is to sell sugary

2054
01:19:39,970 --> 01:19:45,310
beverage that's their responsibility to

2055
01:19:42,729 --> 01:19:47,919
the company to their shareholders that's

2056
01:19:45,310 --> 01:19:50,950
their whole goal it's out there coke is

2057
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:55,029
there to sell coke that's his job the

2058
01:19:50,949 --> 01:19:58,000
problem is that we allow coke to pay the

2059
01:19:55,029 --> 01:20:01,509
University of Toronto millions of

2060
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:05,560
dollars to produce crappy research why

2061
01:20:01,510 --> 01:20:10,420
do we allow that if you give a New York

2062
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:13,120
City policeman a cold drink he could get

2063
01:20:10,420 --> 01:20:16,960
fired because it's a conflict of

2064
01:20:13,119 --> 01:20:20,140
interest if you give the judge sort of a

2065
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:23,199
slice of pizza he or she could get fired

2066
01:20:20,140 --> 01:20:25,570
for taking that slice of pizza and we

2067
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:27,760
all say of course you can't bribe a

2068
01:20:25,569 --> 01:20:31,090
judge whether it's a slice of pizza or a

2069
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:34,329
car it's the same principle mmm the

2070
01:20:31,090 --> 01:20:35,860
reciprocity exactly because when I give

2071
01:20:34,329 --> 01:20:36,880
you something you're gonna feel better

2072
01:20:35,859 --> 01:20:39,869
towards me

2073
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:42,069
that's all human nature so we say okay I

2074
01:20:39,869 --> 01:20:44,529
understand this everybody understands

2075
01:20:42,069 --> 01:20:46,929
this so therefore you are not nobody is

2076
01:20:44,529 --> 01:20:50,529
allowed to give policeman nobody's

2077
01:20:46,930 --> 01:20:52,720
allowed to give judges anything but we

2078
01:20:50,529 --> 01:20:54,279
say oh yeah if you're a big company you

2079
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,470
can give doctors however much money you

2080
01:20:54,279 --> 01:20:58,439
want so you look at a journal like the

2081
01:20:56,470 --> 01:21:01,889
Journal of the American car

2082
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:03,539
College of Cardiology and the editors

2083
01:21:01,889 --> 01:21:07,170
which decide which journals got

2084
01:21:03,539 --> 01:21:11,310
published you know what everything is

2085
01:21:07,170 --> 01:21:14,190
on average they're taking each over four

2086
01:21:11,310 --> 01:21:17,039
hundred thousand dollars a year from

2087
01:21:14,189 --> 01:21:18,928
companies and it's like okay I don't

2088
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:21,179
blame the company the company if it if

2089
01:21:18,929 --> 01:21:23,369
it means selling more stuff that's what

2090
01:21:21,179 --> 01:21:26,639
they should be doing the question is why

2091
01:21:23,369 --> 01:21:28,408
do we allow that to happen when it

2092
01:21:26,639 --> 01:21:31,319
doesn't apply to anybody else

2093
01:21:28,408 --> 01:21:33,269
you can't give four hundred thousand

2094
01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:35,609
dollars to a New York Times journalist

2095
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:38,670
they will get fired by the New York

2096
01:21:35,609 --> 01:21:40,289
Times they will absolutely get fired you

2097
01:21:38,670 --> 01:21:42,389
can't go to some company

2098
01:21:40,289 --> 01:21:45,810
I'll call big companies have this rule I

2099
01:21:42,389 --> 01:21:48,060
can't go to the Brant bank manager and

2100
01:21:45,810 --> 01:21:50,250
say oh hey here's ten thousand bucks

2101
01:21:48,060 --> 01:21:53,060
he's gonna give me a loan right he's

2102
01:21:50,250 --> 01:21:57,329
gonna get fired or she's gonna get fired

2103
01:21:53,060 --> 01:22:00,389
everywhere and in in we know this we put

2104
01:21:57,329 --> 01:22:04,109
rules on it but yet when it comes to our

2105
01:22:00,389 --> 01:22:06,929
health we say hey dr. Stephen Piper you

2106
01:22:04,109 --> 01:22:09,448
can take here's a couple here's $500,000

2107
01:22:06,929 --> 01:22:12,029
just do some research on why sugar is

2108
01:22:09,448 --> 01:22:13,469
good for you and he produces it and then

2109
01:22:12,029 --> 01:22:15,719
people come out and say well the

2110
01:22:13,469 --> 01:22:18,270
evidence says that sugar is good for us

2111
01:22:15,719 --> 01:22:21,689
it's like isn't that the most ridiculous

2112
01:22:18,270 --> 01:22:23,550
situation you've ever heard this is one

2113
01:22:21,689 --> 01:22:25,408
of the things that really has to get out

2114
01:22:23,550 --> 01:22:28,079
there because if you have differences of

2115
01:22:25,408 --> 01:22:29,729
opinion between scientists that's fine

2116
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:31,050
that's how science works everybody has a

2117
01:22:29,729 --> 01:22:32,908
different opinion I don't mind that's a

2118
01:22:31,050 --> 01:22:35,789
look the vegans have a different opinion

2119
01:22:32,908 --> 01:22:37,710
than I do that's fine the problem is

2120
01:22:35,789 --> 01:22:39,479
when you get all these sort of

2121
01:22:37,710 --> 01:22:42,029
commercial interests in it but it's not

2122
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:44,579
a problem for the commercial interests I

2123
01:22:42,029 --> 01:22:46,170
mean the drug companies they're allowed

2124
01:22:44,579 --> 01:22:48,090
to do it so they should do it and they

2125
01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:51,179
will do it because that's what they are

2126
01:22:48,090 --> 01:22:54,360
stated their stated goal is the stated

2127
01:22:51,179 --> 01:22:56,969
goal is to sell more drug right what we

2128
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:59,519
have to do is we have to be on our you

2129
01:22:56,969 --> 01:23:02,130
know political you have to get political

2130
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,340
and really say okay we shouldn't

2131
01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:08,039
allowing any of this anybody who teaches

2132
01:23:04,340 --> 01:23:09,690
students medical students teaches at the

2133
01:23:08,039 --> 01:23:11,449
university it's not allowed to take

2134
01:23:09,689 --> 01:23:15,539
money like

2135
01:23:11,449 --> 01:23:17,460
it seems like a no-brainer yeah

2136
01:23:15,539 --> 01:23:20,010
they take hundreds of thousands of

2137
01:23:17,460 --> 01:23:24,180
dollars every single one of them these

2138
01:23:20,010 --> 01:23:26,220
programs that the the pharmaceuticals

2139
01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:27,960
put out they pay a doctor fifteen

2140
01:23:26,220 --> 01:23:31,050
hundred dollars to give an hour-long

2141
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,819
talk lots of doctors do it the more

2142
01:23:31,050 --> 01:23:35,670
prominent the more money they get they

2143
01:23:32,819 --> 01:23:38,250
pay editors of large journals like

2144
01:23:35,670 --> 01:23:40,800
hundreds of thousands of dollars each to

2145
01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:42,930
get their research into it the studies

2146
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,210
are all produced by drug companies and

2147
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:47,600
we know that if that's the case then

2148
01:23:45,210 --> 01:23:50,340
it's more far more likely to be biased

2149
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:52,440
and then and the whole thing and people

2150
01:23:50,340 --> 01:23:56,100
complain about oh you know it's big

2151
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:59,099
sugar and big tobacco and big meat it's

2152
01:23:56,100 --> 01:24:02,539
like that's the first thing we should be

2153
01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:05,820
doing this saying we need new rules

2154
01:24:02,539 --> 01:24:08,760
nobody's allowed to pay university

2155
01:24:05,819 --> 01:24:10,469
professors any kind of money you want to

2156
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,449
be a university professor you want the

2157
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:15,210
privilege of teaching medical students

2158
01:24:12,449 --> 01:24:18,269
you get paid by the university you don't

2159
01:24:15,210 --> 01:24:20,970
get paid by anybody else if you want to

2160
01:24:18,270 --> 01:24:23,550
write guidelines clinical guidelines for

2161
01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:25,860
diabetes clinical guidelines for Dietary

2162
01:24:23,550 --> 01:24:27,960
Guidelines whatever it is anybody who

2163
01:24:25,859 --> 01:24:29,909
writes any kind of guideline is not

2164
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:32,250
allowed to take money from anybody

2165
01:24:29,909 --> 01:24:34,050
because doctors are the worst because

2166
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:36,659
they take lots of money from everybody

2167
01:24:34,050 --> 01:24:39,480
and they think that just disclosing it

2168
01:24:36,659 --> 01:24:42,329
is fine it's like I don't care if you

2169
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,739
say it don't do it you can't you don't

2170
01:24:42,329 --> 01:24:46,260
have a judge out there saying oh yeah

2171
01:24:43,739 --> 01:24:50,099
I've been paid by this this this this

2172
01:24:46,260 --> 01:24:52,380
and that so you go to these lectures and

2173
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:56,390
they're terrible because you get we have

2174
01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:58,680
financial disclosure slides and so

2175
01:24:56,390 --> 01:25:00,150
anytime you go to any lecture somebody

2176
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,460
will flash up a slide and there's like

2177
01:25:00,149 --> 01:25:05,009
15 drug companies on it that he's been

2178
01:25:02,460 --> 01:25:07,739
paid by he goes and he'll always say

2179
01:25:05,010 --> 01:25:09,630
something like I'm not biased because

2180
01:25:07,739 --> 01:25:13,319
I'm paid by everybody and every laughs

2181
01:25:09,630 --> 01:25:15,119
I'm thinking oh my god yeah you guys

2182
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:18,149
don't even know how crooked the whole

2183
01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:21,390
situation is because in any other sphere

2184
01:25:18,149 --> 01:25:23,670
of life it would be completely

2185
01:25:21,390 --> 01:25:26,610
unacceptable would it be acceptable for

2186
01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:30,480
your child's teacher to be getting money

2187
01:25:26,609 --> 01:25:34,710
from their nose wallah yeah absolutely

2188
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:36,389
not right absolutely 100% not you would

2189
01:25:34,710 --> 01:25:39,060
never stand for it I would never stand

2190
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:42,410
for it if I knew my teacher my child's

2191
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:46,680
teacher was being paid by coke and hey

2192
01:25:42,409 --> 01:25:52,229
teaches them that coke is okay but yet

2193
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:54,840
coke can pay dr. Steven Piper lots of

2194
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:56,429
money to come out and say hey sugars

2195
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,560
good for you then he teaches to the

2196
01:25:56,430 --> 01:26:01,350
medical students hey sugar it's good for

2197
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:03,030
you which teaches you yeah that sugar is

2198
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:07,850
good for you and then you get diabetes

2199
01:26:03,029 --> 01:26:10,679
and die it's like that's very wrong

2200
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:12,210
there's something very wrong there and

2201
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:15,420
that's one of the things I really have

2202
01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:18,060
to really have to you know get the rules

2203
01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:20,310
changed not because they're stricter

2204
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:23,789
than anybody else we need the rules same

2205
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:26,370
rules as everybody else and and and and

2206
01:26:23,789 --> 01:26:28,500
the health of the sort of whole nation

2207
01:26:26,369 --> 01:26:31,439
sort of depends on it we have so many of

2208
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:32,069
these researchers that are just on the

2209
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,710
payroll

2210
01:26:32,069 --> 01:26:36,899
it's like publishing biased so it's kind

2211
01:26:34,710 --> 01:26:38,670
of a partying note here how do you look

2212
01:26:36,899 --> 01:26:40,920
at research then now to try and look at

2213
01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:42,859
it more objectively with the idea that

2214
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:47,210
this could be funded in a different way

2215
01:26:42,859 --> 01:26:50,849
yeah it's really hard that's why most

2216
01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:52,109
most people who have understand

2217
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:57,300
evidence-based medicine

2218
01:26:52,109 --> 01:27:00,449
think it's completely crap so there's

2219
01:26:57,300 --> 01:27:02,190
guys like there's a former

2220
01:27:00,449 --> 01:27:05,970
editor-in-chief of the New England

2221
01:27:02,189 --> 01:27:09,449
Journal of Medicine land said these are

2222
01:27:05,970 --> 01:27:11,430
the two sort of most prominent medical

2223
01:27:09,449 --> 01:27:13,289
journals in the world who have both said

2224
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:15,740
yeah after like 20 years of being in the

2225
01:27:13,289 --> 01:27:18,300
business I realized that it's all crap

2226
01:27:15,739 --> 01:27:20,159
most of what we publish is not true

2227
01:27:18,300 --> 01:27:24,659
there's this replication bias you know

2228
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:26,279
where people try and try and juice up

2229
01:27:24,659 --> 01:27:28,500
their findings so that it gets in

2230
01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:30,210
newspapers and then when they were

2231
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:32,369
trying to replicate the study it's like

2232
01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:34,710
oh it wasn't true at all

2233
01:27:32,369 --> 01:27:36,930
they only got the result because they

2234
01:27:34,710 --> 01:27:39,600
were trying to find a result to get in

2235
01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:41,880
the newspaper sort of thing so anybody

2236
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:44,880
who actually understands evidence-based

2237
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:46,440
medicine so you know that these are the

2238
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,140
sort of that the editors and chief the

2239
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:52,259
guys who have been there and done that

2240
01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:53,820
and lived that life they've all

2241
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:56,340
basically turned their back and said

2242
01:27:53,819 --> 01:27:59,729
it's all just crap now and it's not that

2243
01:27:56,340 --> 01:28:02,789
the idea is bad it's a good idea but

2244
01:27:59,729 --> 01:28:06,959
what you have to do is say get all the

2245
01:28:02,789 --> 01:28:10,529
commercial interests out of science you

2246
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:14,069
can't have a drug company doing a study

2247
01:28:10,529 --> 01:28:16,800
on their own drug and saying this is the

2248
01:28:14,069 --> 01:28:18,269
best thing since sliced bread everybody

2249
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,710
should do it and anybody who doesn't do

2250
01:28:18,270 --> 01:28:22,020
it is some Luddite who doesn't

2251
01:28:19,710 --> 01:28:24,119
understand evidence-based medicine it's

2252
01:28:22,020 --> 01:28:25,080
like okay but there's something really

2253
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:27,989
wrong here

2254
01:28:25,079 --> 01:28:32,760
if the heroing company is saying look at

2255
01:28:27,989 --> 01:28:34,529
this study heroin everybody and and then

2256
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,270
came out and taught the doctors and gave

2257
01:28:34,529 --> 01:28:38,069
doc there's hundreds of thousands of

2258
01:28:36,270 --> 01:28:42,200
dollars to teach medical students that

2259
01:28:38,069 --> 01:28:45,179
heroin is good for you we'd say buddy

2260
01:28:42,199 --> 01:28:47,279
that study was funded by the heroin

2261
01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:49,530
company you can't trust it but when we

2262
01:28:47,279 --> 01:28:54,109
say oh that study was funded by the drug

2263
01:28:49,529 --> 01:29:00,059
company we're like yay it's like like

2264
01:28:54,109 --> 01:29:03,689
logic is just like I'm like kind of

2265
01:29:00,060 --> 01:29:06,210
appalled sort of yeah with how how

2266
01:29:03,689 --> 01:29:08,869
everything is developed in medicine and

2267
01:29:06,210 --> 01:29:12,750
that logic seems to sort of play no role

2268
01:29:08,869 --> 01:29:15,119
in in what we do that is you can't allow

2269
01:29:12,750 --> 01:29:17,189
drug companies to do their own study and

2270
01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:19,559
then tout their own horn and then

2271
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:21,569
dictate how we do medicine yeah that's

2272
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:24,810
great like you've given up you've given

2273
01:29:21,569 --> 01:29:27,210
it up and why because our leaders our

2274
01:29:24,810 --> 01:29:31,080
University professors are all on the

2275
01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:32,730
payroll it's crazy yeah it's a great

2276
01:29:31,079 --> 01:29:34,890
book about biases

2277
01:29:32,729 --> 01:29:37,589
decisive by the heath brothers Dan and

2278
01:29:34,890 --> 01:29:39,349
chippy and so I just noticed that I you

2279
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:41,659
know it's a someone who's been in

2280
01:29:39,349 --> 01:29:43,610
and the beneficiary of fasting and the

2281
01:29:41,658 --> 01:29:45,170
ketogenic diet I'm very biased Pro that

2282
01:29:43,609 --> 01:29:47,210
but now when I read research I try and

2283
01:29:45,170 --> 01:29:49,520
really be aware of that because you find

2284
01:29:47,210 --> 01:29:51,469
yourself seeking out more of the same so

2285
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,880
human nature were very very biased

2286
01:29:51,469 --> 01:29:56,000
creature so you can see how this could

2287
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,949
happen but but if in terms of like kind

2288
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,328
of a parting piece of advice like the

2289
01:29:57,948 --> 01:30:00,919
biggest health issue do you think that's

2290
01:29:59,328 --> 01:30:02,389
one of them that the so-called

2291
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,908
evidence-based medicine is really

2292
01:30:02,389 --> 01:30:08,599
industry funded and yeah I think that

2293
01:30:04,908 --> 01:30:11,750
there's sort of a couple of things I

2294
01:30:08,599 --> 01:30:14,449
mean there's from from a health

2295
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:16,429
standpoint honestly its metabolic

2296
01:30:14,448 --> 01:30:18,529
syndrome obesity type 2 diabetes that's

2297
01:30:16,429 --> 01:30:19,069
clearly going to be the issue of our

2298
01:30:18,529 --> 01:30:22,399
times

2299
01:30:19,069 --> 01:30:25,158
yeah it's killing tons of people carting

2300
01:30:22,399 --> 01:30:26,839
fast or disease stroke cancer those are

2301
01:30:25,158 --> 01:30:28,429
the biggest sort of three killers of

2302
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:31,699
Americans and they're all sort of

2303
01:30:28,429 --> 01:30:35,710
metabolic problems so the the sort of

2304
01:30:31,698 --> 01:30:38,689
that's sort of the biggest problem and

2305
01:30:35,710 --> 01:30:41,929
going to the sort of standard medical

2306
01:30:38,689 --> 01:30:44,509
dogma is not great for the related issue

2307
01:30:41,929 --> 01:30:46,550
of a lot of bias and medicine research

2308
01:30:44,510 --> 01:30:49,190
the good news is that you have you can

2309
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:51,050
take control of your own health you know

2310
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:53,299
through understanding like what we're

2311
01:30:51,050 --> 01:30:55,550
talking about do the cutting out

2312
01:30:53,300 --> 01:30:57,739
processed foods reducing the number of

2313
01:30:55,550 --> 01:31:00,829
times that you eat intermittent fasting

2314
01:30:57,738 --> 01:31:03,408
and sort of regain sort of 90% of your

2315
01:31:00,828 --> 01:31:04,819
house from the good news from a patient

2316
01:31:03,408 --> 01:31:06,948
perspective is that yes you can do

2317
01:31:04,819 --> 01:31:11,179
something about right now the larger

2318
01:31:06,948 --> 01:31:14,059
societal issue is exactly that to get

2319
01:31:11,179 --> 01:31:17,199
the bias out of medical science because

2320
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:20,510
the reason that medical science is

2321
01:31:17,198 --> 01:31:24,549
hopelessly bad is that there's just too

2322
01:31:20,510 --> 01:31:27,860
much bias so if you look back at the

2323
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:30,800
1970s the obesity goes from very little

2324
01:31:27,859 --> 01:31:34,569
to very high so we're worse than we were

2325
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:39,289
in 1970 yeah if you look at technology

2326
01:31:34,569 --> 01:31:42,078
in the 1970s computer is like the size

2327
01:31:39,289 --> 01:31:44,210
of this room it has like you know a

2328
01:31:42,078 --> 01:31:47,389
tenth of the computing power of my

2329
01:31:44,210 --> 01:31:52,189
iPhone it's like that's the power of

2330
01:31:47,389 --> 01:31:53,090
human ingenuity in nutrition we've gone

2331
01:31:52,189 --> 01:31:56,059
backwards

2332
01:31:53,090 --> 01:31:58,190
we've gone we would have gone from the

2333
01:31:56,060 --> 01:32:00,860
computer the size of this room to a

2334
01:31:58,189 --> 01:32:03,649
computer the size of this entire code

2335
01:32:00,859 --> 01:32:06,409
language yeah it's ridiculous hmm and

2336
01:32:03,649 --> 01:32:08,299
it's because there's too much bias we

2337
01:32:06,409 --> 01:32:10,220
get people saying that sugars good for

2338
01:32:08,300 --> 01:32:12,619
you I mean tobacco is the same thing for

2339
01:32:10,220 --> 01:32:15,170
years people said no problem no problem

2340
01:32:12,619 --> 01:32:16,670
why they're all on the payroll okay so

2341
01:32:15,170 --> 01:32:17,930
we understand that for tobacco

2342
01:32:16,670 --> 01:32:19,699
why don't we understand it for drug

2343
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:21,800
companies for this and that and again

2344
01:32:19,699 --> 01:32:24,289
it's not that I'm anti drug companies

2345
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:27,529
drug companies have a very valuable role

2346
01:32:24,289 --> 01:32:29,569
but they need to be sort of over there

2347
01:32:27,529 --> 01:32:33,050
and the university has to be over here

2348
01:32:29,569 --> 01:32:35,719
and you have to split them and if their

2349
01:32:33,050 --> 01:32:37,579
drug is good then the university will

2350
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,350
say okay well your drug goes good well

2351
01:32:37,579 --> 01:32:41,920
at least I know that you're not paying

2352
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:44,720
the guy who's saying it's good yeah

2353
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:47,119
again it's it's it's pure common sense

2354
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:49,340
and it's like we just have to change

2355
01:32:47,119 --> 01:32:51,409
that to move far so that's sort of the

2356
01:32:49,340 --> 01:32:54,380
larger I think that in the end that's

2357
01:32:51,409 --> 01:32:55,789
the larger societal issue the individual

2358
01:32:54,380 --> 01:32:57,800
issue that's the biggest that's going to

2359
01:32:55,789 --> 01:32:59,840
impact everybody is gonna be you know

2360
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,730
how to apply the proper standards of

2361
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:04,000
nutrition in term in fasting I think

2362
01:33:01,729 --> 01:33:06,589
that part has been missing for so long

2363
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,640
and really until I started talking about

2364
01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:11,329
it I don't think anybody was talking

2365
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:13,280
about fasting truthfully no not in not

2366
01:33:11,329 --> 01:33:14,960
in terms of how their body builders and

2367
01:33:13,279 --> 01:33:17,750
stuff but not in terms of treatment of

2368
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:19,250
disease and that kind of thing that part

2369
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:20,750
is the biggest part for the individual

2370
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:22,069
patient but they can actually do

2371
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:24,319
something about it and that's what I

2372
01:33:22,069 --> 01:33:27,469
hope to do with their books with the IPM

2373
01:33:24,319 --> 01:33:30,139
program and with the blog and with the

2374
01:33:27,470 --> 01:33:31,430
podcast and your podcast and all that

2375
01:33:30,140 --> 01:33:34,460
sort of stuff that's where we try to do

2376
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:37,190
try and empower people to sort of take

2377
01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:39,350
control because it's like if you watch

2378
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:41,750
this and you decide to do it and get

2379
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:44,210
better hey I don't get paid but guess

2380
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:45,739
what if if you you write to me and say

2381
01:33:44,210 --> 01:33:48,289
you know what I watched your thing with

2382
01:33:45,739 --> 01:33:50,510
Mike and I lost 50 pounds I got rid of

2383
01:33:48,289 --> 01:33:52,250
my diabetes I'm paid in a totally

2384
01:33:50,510 --> 01:33:54,409
different way you know that's much more

2385
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:58,539
valuable than the money throws it like

2386
01:33:54,409 --> 01:34:01,609
oh I we were able to help these people

2387
01:33:58,539 --> 01:34:02,769
feels great feels great minimal amount

2388
01:34:01,609 --> 01:34:04,989
of money is gonna get

2389
01:34:02,770 --> 01:34:06,460
for you yeah and that's the that's the

2390
01:34:04,989 --> 01:34:09,309
point that's the point is that people

2391
01:34:06,460 --> 01:34:10,359
can can do that yeah and the book is

2392
01:34:09,310 --> 01:34:13,060
great you know it goes through the

2393
01:34:10,359 --> 01:34:14,920
historical role that fasting has had in

2394
01:34:13,060 --> 01:34:18,370
humankind and as a medical therapy think

2395
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:19,750
back to 1770 something or a long time

2396
01:34:18,369 --> 01:34:22,090
ago so you have the books awesome it's

2397
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:23,289
available as you guys watch this video

2398
01:34:22,090 --> 01:34:25,810
it should be available on Amazon for

2399
01:34:23,289 --> 01:34:28,300
pre-orders worldwide so commend you on

2400
01:34:25,810 --> 01:34:29,560
all that great stuff IDM program comm if

2401
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:31,989
people want to get into the membership

2402
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:33,190
site and get into that group setting

2403
01:34:31,989 --> 01:34:35,859
which i think is great and by the way

2404
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:37,569
you mention like pure support there's

2405
01:34:35,859 --> 01:34:39,670
the pure influence to like when doctors

2406
01:34:37,569 --> 01:34:40,840
like you have a paid speaker goes in

2407
01:34:39,670 --> 01:34:42,789
from a room and there's all these other

2408
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,949
doctors and they're pitching it and they

2409
01:34:42,789 --> 01:34:46,750
buy into it so it's part of the yeah so

2410
01:34:44,949 --> 01:34:47,859
the part of the group is powerful it can

2411
01:34:46,750 --> 01:34:49,989
help you lose weight and balance your

2412
01:34:47,859 --> 01:34:52,329
blood sugar - so dr. Fung thanks again

2413
01:34:49,989 --> 01:34:57,039
this is a lot of fun coming on yeah

2414
01:34:52,329 --> 01:34:57,550
thank you very much my pleasure all

2415
01:34:57,039 --> 01:35:00,930
right all right

2416
01:34:57,550 --> 01:35:00,930
a lot of good stuff thank you