0:00:01.417,0:00:03.893 Shah Rukh Khan: "A girl[br]should be seen, not heard." 0:00:03.917,0:00:05.643 "Be quiet," or, "chup." 0:00:05.667,0:00:09.351 These words are often used[br]to silence girls right from childhood, 0:00:09.375,0:00:10.684 well into adulthood 0:00:10.708,0:00:12.434 and deep into old age. 0:00:12.458,0:00:16.101 I'm proud to introduce our next speaker,[br]a true champion of the female voice, 0:00:16.125,0:00:17.768 an advisor on poverty, 0:00:17.792,0:00:19.934 gender and development for the World Bank, 0:00:19.958,0:00:24.268 United Nations and several NGOs[br]in India and the world over. 0:00:24.292,0:00:27.809 She calls herself a cultural detective. 0:00:27.833,0:00:32.476 Let's raise our voices to welcome[br]renowned social scientist and author 0:00:32.500,0:00:34.101 Deepa Narayan. 0:00:34.125,0:00:36.351 (Music) 0:00:36.375,0:00:40.292 (Applause) 0:00:44.708,0:00:46.893 Deepa Narayan: The goal[br]of every loving parent 0:00:46.917,0:00:48.768 is to raise good girls, 0:00:48.792,0:00:50.601 but what parents actually do 0:00:50.625,0:00:55.143 is to constrain, confine[br]and crush their girls. 0:00:55.167,0:00:57.018 So as they crush their girls, 0:00:57.042,0:00:58.958 they prepare them for abuse. 0:00:59.875,0:01:02.059 This would be so devastating 0:01:02.083,0:01:04.643 that no parent would be able to bear it, 0:01:04.667,0:01:05.934 so it's disguised. 0:01:05.958,0:01:09.226 In India, we call this "adjusting." 0:01:09.250,0:01:10.792 I'm sure you've heard the word. 0:01:11.625,0:01:13.684 "Darling, just adjust a bit. 0:01:13.708,0:01:14.976 Just adjust. 0:01:15.000,0:01:17.976 No matter what happens, just adjust." 0:01:18.000,0:01:21.809 "Adjust" trains girls to be powerless, 0:01:21.833,0:01:24.393 not to exist, not to be seen, 0:01:24.417,0:01:26.101 not to have a self, 0:01:26.125,0:01:32.518 and it trains boys to claim power[br]and authority over the world. 0:01:32.542,0:01:38.018 And in the meantime we keep talking about[br]gender equality and women's empowerment. 0:01:38.042,0:01:43.643 After 2012, after the gang rape[br]in a moving bus in Delhi, 0:01:43.667,0:01:48.684 I really wanted to understand[br]the roots of abuse. 0:01:48.708,0:01:52.143 So I started asking[br]a very simple question: 0:01:52.167,0:01:57.458 what does it mean to you[br]to be a good woman or a good man today? 0:01:58.333,0:02:01.226 And I was so surprised by what I heard, 0:02:01.250,0:02:04.601 the answers particularly[br]that young people gave, 0:02:04.625,0:02:10.184 that the project became a research project[br]and it took over my life. 0:02:10.208,0:02:15.643 For three years, I listened[br]to over 600 women, men and children, 0:02:15.667,0:02:17.476 educated, middle class, 0:02:17.500,0:02:21.559 and it led to 1,800 hours of listening 0:02:21.583,0:02:23.893 and 8,000 pages of notes, 0:02:23.917,0:02:26.351 and it took another year[br]to make sense of it. 0:02:26.375,0:02:32.434 Nowadays, we see well-dressed, educated[br]women like many of you in this room, 0:02:32.458,0:02:35.268 all of you in this room, and myself, 0:02:35.292,0:02:37.851 and we think the world has changed, 0:02:37.875,0:02:41.684 but these external changes[br]are extremely misleading, 0:02:41.708,0:02:44.667 because on the inside,[br]we have not changed. 0:02:46.375,0:02:48.809 So today, I'm not going[br]to talk about poor people. 0:02:48.833,0:02:51.768 I'm going to talk only about[br]the middle and upper classes, 0:02:51.792,0:02:54.893 because we are the ones most in denial. 0:02:54.917,0:02:59.018 We are the ones who have said[br]over and over again 0:02:59.042,0:03:01.184 that when women are educated, 0:03:01.208,0:03:02.559 when they're employed 0:03:02.583,0:03:04.893 and they earn incomes, 0:03:04.917,0:03:07.625 they will be equal, empowered and free. 0:03:08.667,0:03:10.059 They're not. 0:03:10.083,0:03:11.351 Why? 0:03:11.375,0:03:15.018 From my research, I identify seven habits 0:03:15.042,0:03:16.601 that delete women, 0:03:16.625,0:03:18.809 that make women disappear, 0:03:18.833,0:03:21.434 but these habits persist 0:03:21.458,0:03:23.851 because they're so familiar to us 0:03:23.875,0:03:25.958 and we've made them good and moral. 0:03:26.792,0:03:30.375 Why would you change or drop[br]anything that's good and moral? 0:03:31.500,0:03:33.559 So, on the one hand, we love our children, 0:03:33.583,0:03:34.893 we love our daughters, 0:03:34.917,0:03:37.292 and on the other hand, we crush them. 0:03:38.875,0:03:41.625 Habit one: You don't have a body. 0:03:43.250,0:03:48.518 The first step to make a girl a ghost[br]is to make her body disappear, 0:03:48.542,0:03:50.768 to pretend that she doesn't have a body. 0:03:50.792,0:03:53.643 Akangsha, who is 23, said, 0:03:53.667,0:03:58.018 "In my family, we never[br]spoke about the body, never." 0:03:58.042,0:03:59.643 And it is in this silence 0:03:59.667,0:04:03.559 that millions and millions of girls[br]get sexually molested, 0:04:03.583,0:04:06.750 and they don't even tell their mothers. 0:04:07.625,0:04:10.101 And it's the negative comments from others 0:04:10.125,0:04:14.833 that leads to 90 percent of women[br]saying that they dislike their bodies. 0:04:15.458,0:04:17.726 When a girl rejects her body, 0:04:17.750,0:04:19.809 she rejects her only house 0:04:19.833,0:04:22.726 and invisibility and insecurity 0:04:22.750,0:04:25.393 become her very shaky foundation. 0:04:25.417,0:04:29.000 Habit two: Be quiet. Chup. 0:04:29.583,0:04:31.559 If you're not supposed to exist 0:04:31.583,0:04:33.184 and you don't have a body, 0:04:33.208,0:04:35.351 how can you have a voice? 0:04:35.375,0:04:37.268 So just about every woman said, 0:04:37.292,0:04:41.434 "When I was little,[br]my mother used to scold me and say, 0:04:41.458,0:04:44.434 'Don't speak, be quiet, be chup, 0:04:44.458,0:04:47.976 speak softly, don't argue[br]and never answer back. 0:04:48.000,0:04:49.309 Jawab nahi Dena.'" 0:04:49.333,0:04:50.875 I'm sure you've all heard that. 0:04:51.750,0:04:54.226 And so girls become afraid,[br]and they withdraw. 0:04:54.250,0:04:57.643 And they become quiet and they say, 0:04:57.667,0:04:59.476 "Let it go. Jaane do. 0:04:59.500,0:05:01.333 What's the point? Nobody listens." 0:05:02.375,0:05:04.184 Educated women said 0:05:04.208,0:05:05.768 that their number one problem 0:05:05.792,0:05:09.059 was their inability to speak up, 0:05:09.083,0:05:11.976 as if there was a foot on their throat 0:05:12.000,0:05:13.250 ready to choke them. 0:05:14.250,0:05:17.208 Silence slices off women. 0:05:19.375,0:05:22.268 Habit three: Be a people pleaser. 0:05:22.292,0:05:23.559 Please others. 0:05:23.583,0:05:26.726 Everyone likes a nice woman[br]who always smiles, 0:05:26.750,0:05:29.184 who never says no, who is never angry, 0:05:29.208,0:05:31.268 even when she's being exploited. 0:05:31.292,0:05:34.018 Amisha, who is 18, said, 0:05:34.042,0:05:36.309 "My father said, 0:05:36.333,0:05:39.333 'If I don't see you smiling,[br]I don't feel good.'" 0:05:40.167,0:05:41.476 So she smiles. 0:05:41.500,0:05:44.059 So her father is teaching her, 0:05:44.083,0:05:48.018 my happiness is more important[br]than your happiness. 0:05:48.042,0:05:52.268 And in this business of trying[br]to make everyone happy all the time, 0:05:52.292,0:05:55.167 girls become afraid to make decisions. 0:05:56.042,0:05:58.643 And when you ask them, they say, 0:05:58.667,0:06:01.042 "Anything, whatever! Kuch bhi! 0:06:01.917,0:06:03.708 Everything goes. Chalta hai." 0:06:05.083,0:06:07.101 Darsha, who is 25, 0:06:07.125,0:06:09.018 said with great pride, 0:06:09.042,0:06:11.518 "I'm highly elastic. 0:06:11.542,0:06:14.792 I become whatever others want me to be." 0:06:15.500,0:06:18.226 Such girls give up their dreams, 0:06:18.250,0:06:19.559 their desires, 0:06:19.583,0:06:21.518 and nobody even notices, 0:06:21.542,0:06:23.476 except for depression. 0:06:23.500,0:06:24.750 It moves in. 0:06:25.583,0:06:29.000 Another slice of a girl is taken off. 0:06:31.042,0:06:33.750 Habit four: You have no sexuality. 0:06:35.000,0:06:39.101 I think you'd all agree that[br]with a population of over 1.3 billion, 0:06:39.125,0:06:41.000 sex is not new to India. 0:06:42.208,0:06:46.934 What is new is that[br]more people now acknowledge 0:06:46.958,0:06:50.000 that women, too,[br]have a right to sexual desire. 0:06:51.042,0:06:54.518 But how can a woman who has not[br]been allowed to own her body, 0:06:54.542,0:06:56.976 who hasn't been educated about her body, 0:06:57.000,0:06:59.476 who may have been sexually molested, 0:06:59.500,0:07:00.976 who cannot say no 0:07:01.000,0:07:03.184 and who has been filled with shame, 0:07:03.208,0:07:05.583 how can she claim her sexual desire? 0:07:06.417,0:07:09.042 A woman's sexuality is suppressed. 0:07:10.625,0:07:13.917 Habit five: Don't trust women. 0:07:15.083,0:07:17.434 Imagine how the world would change 0:07:17.458,0:07:19.934 if women came together in solidarity, 0:07:19.958,0:07:22.768 but as to make sure[br]that this doesn't happen, 0:07:22.792,0:07:26.268 our culture places high moral value 0:07:26.292,0:07:29.583 on loyalty to men and family secrecy. 0:07:30.125,0:07:31.768 Woman after woman said, 0:07:31.792,0:07:34.393 "I know only one trustworthy woman, 0:07:34.417,0:07:36.018 and that's me." 0:07:36.042,0:07:37.559 Even Ruchi, who is 30 0:07:37.583,0:07:41.476 and who works on women's empowerment[br]at Delhi University, said, 0:07:41.500,0:07:45.393 "I don't trust women.[br]They're jealous and they backbite." 0:07:45.417,0:07:47.184 Obviously, then, in cities, 0:07:47.208,0:07:49.059 women don't join women's groups, 0:07:49.083,0:07:52.333 and when you ask them why, they say,[br]"We don't have time for gossip." 0:07:53.208,0:07:57.125 It's much easier [br]to demolish a woman who is alone. 0:07:58.375,0:08:01.917 Habit six: Duty over desire. 0:08:02.833,0:08:07.143 Muskan gave a very long definition[br]of a good girl, and she's only 15. 0:08:07.167,0:08:09.768 "She is kind, gentle, polite, loving, 0:08:09.792,0:08:12.226 caring, truthful, obedient,[br]respects elders, 0:08:12.250,0:08:15.917 helps everyone unconditionally,[br]and is good to others and fulfills duty." 0:08:17.667,0:08:19.559 Tiring, isn't it. 0:08:19.583,0:08:22.518 By the time you fulfill duty, 0:08:22.542,0:08:25.976 whatever little desire[br]is left is also lost. 0:08:26.000,0:08:29.518 And when sacrificing mothers[br]have nothing left to say 0:08:29.542,0:08:31.226 except talk about food -- 0:08:31.250,0:08:35.184 "Have you eaten? Khana kha liya?[br]What will you eat?" -- 0:08:35.208,0:08:39.292 men like Saurabh, who is 24,[br]call them "boring." 0:08:40.417,0:08:42.976 A woman becomes a residue. 0:08:43.000,0:08:47.184 Habit seven: Be totally dependent. 0:08:47.208,0:08:50.309 So all these habits[br]collectively crush women, 0:08:50.333,0:08:51.851 fill her with fear 0:08:51.875,0:08:55.476 and make her totally dependent[br]on men for her survival, 0:08:55.500,0:08:59.167 and this allows the system[br]of male power to continue. 0:09:00.083,0:09:04.601 So all these seven habits[br]that we thought were good and moral 0:09:04.625,0:09:07.518 snatch life away from girls 0:09:07.542,0:09:09.958 and position men to abuse. 0:09:11.125,0:09:12.976 We must change. 0:09:13.000,0:09:14.250 How do we change? 0:09:15.083,0:09:16.917 A habit is just a habit. 0:09:17.708,0:09:20.101 Every habit is a learned habit, 0:09:20.125,0:09:21.684 so we can unlearn them 0:09:21.708,0:09:24.393 and this personal change[br]is extremely important. 0:09:24.417,0:09:26.518 I had to change too. 0:09:26.542,0:09:29.101 But this doesn't change the system 0:09:29.125,0:09:31.417 that crushes millions of other women. 0:09:32.292,0:09:34.393 So we have to go to the roots. 0:09:34.417,0:09:38.809 We must change what it means[br]to be a good woman and a good man, 0:09:38.833,0:09:41.583 because this a foundation[br]of every society. 0:09:42.292,0:09:46.684 We don't need elastic women,[br]we need elastic definitions, 0:09:46.708,0:09:48.268 for men too, 0:09:48.292,0:09:53.518 and this big societal change[br]cannot happen without men's involvement. 0:09:53.542,0:09:54.809 We need you. 0:09:54.833,0:09:57.851 We need men to become champions of change, 0:09:57.875,0:10:01.059 to develop strong change muscles. 0:10:01.083,0:10:03.601 Otherwise, it will be two more centuries 0:10:03.625,0:10:05.976 before our girls, and our boys, 0:10:06.000,0:10:07.250 are safe and free. 0:10:08.292,0:10:14.559 Imagine half a billion women[br]coming together, with the support of men, 0:10:14.583,0:10:17.684 to talk to one another[br]for conversation, for change, 0:10:17.708,0:10:19.601 both personal and political, 0:10:19.625,0:10:21.976 and imagine men in their own circles, 0:10:22.000,0:10:26.268 and imagine women and men coming together[br]to just listen to each other 0:10:26.292,0:10:28.684 without judgment, without blame, 0:10:28.708,0:10:31.518 without accusations and without shame. 0:10:31.542,0:10:33.601 Imagine how much we would change. 0:10:33.625,0:10:35.518 We can do this together. 0:10:35.542,0:10:37.958 Women, don't adjust. 0:10:39.167,0:10:41.083 Men, adjust. 0:10:41.958,0:10:43.726 It's time. 0:10:43.750,0:10:45.101 Thank you. 0:10:45.125,0:10:48.958 (Applause) 0:10:49.542,0:10:51.175 SRK: How well said, how wonderful. 0:10:51.175,0:10:52.937 Everyone, Deepa, please. 0:10:53.000,0:10:54.809 Listening to her, I realized 0:10:54.833,0:10:58.393 that even in the simplest conversations[br]that we have with women, 0:10:58.417,0:10:59.976 we're actually being aggressive. 0:11:00.000,0:11:02.893 For example, I do tell[br]my daughter sometimes, 0:11:02.917,0:11:06.059 "Yaar Tu hasti hai to mujhe[br]accha lagta hai varna bura lagta hai". 0:11:06.083,0:11:07.684 So sorry, I would never do that. 0:11:07.708,0:11:09.768 Aaj Se main meri beti ko yahi bolunga. 0:11:09.792,0:11:11.101 Whatever you're doing, 0:11:11.125,0:11:13.726 mujhe accha hi lagta hai,[br]aur accha nahi bhi lagta hai 0:11:13.750,0:11:16.601 Toh mera kya, tum wohi karo jo[br]tumhare ko lagta hai, right? 0:11:16.625,0:11:19.518 (Applause) 0:11:19.542,0:11:21.018 How did you feel, 0:11:21.042,0:11:26.976 first listening to so many[br]unfulfilled stories, desires, 0:11:27.000,0:11:28.309 lack of independence, 0:11:28.333,0:11:32.851 of girls that you normally would assume[br]we think these girls are better off? 0:11:32.875,0:11:34.381 DN: Very depressed. 0:11:34.381,0:11:37.268 It was shocking for me,[br]and that's why I couldn't stop, 0:11:37.292,0:11:41.268 because I had no plans to do a study[br]and no plans to write a book. 0:11:41.292,0:11:45.101 I'd written 17 books before,[br]and I thought, "I'm done," 0:11:45.125,0:11:47.268 but when I went to St. Stephen's College 0:11:47.292,0:11:52.393 and I heard, at most elite colleges[br]you well know from Delhi, 0:11:52.417,0:11:54.476 and the young women and the men, 0:11:54.500,0:11:58.351 what they said about what it meant[br]to them to be a woman and man 0:11:58.375,0:12:01.643 sounded not like me[br]but like my mother's generation. 0:12:01.667,0:12:04.768 So then I went to another college[br]and another college. 0:12:04.792,0:12:06.476 The thing that was striking to me 0:12:06.500,0:12:09.934 is that each woman felt she was alone, 0:12:09.958,0:12:13.351 that she hides her fear[br]and hides her behavior, 0:12:13.375,0:12:15.375 because she thinks it's a personal fault. 0:12:16.125,0:12:19.059 It's not a personal fault, it's training, 0:12:19.083,0:12:21.393 and I think that's the biggest revelation 0:12:21.417,0:12:24.851 is that, if we stop pretending, 0:12:24.875,0:12:26.601 then the world changes. 0:12:26.625,0:12:29.309 SRK: Do you girls all agree[br]with what Deepa is saying? 0:12:29.333,0:12:32.184 (Applause) 0:12:32.208,0:12:33.934 Already see that young girl saying, 0:12:33.958,0:12:36.559 "Heard, heard what she said?[br]You say this to me." 0:12:36.583,0:12:38.268 Yeah, that's the way it should be. 0:12:38.292,0:12:41.018 You, boy, you adjust.[br]We are not adjusting anymore, OK? 0:12:41.042,0:12:42.601 (Applause) 0:12:42.625,0:12:44.976 Thank you so much.[br]Have a good evening. Thank you. 0:12:45.000,0:12:46.150 (Applause)