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Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text
Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.66,0:00:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want a ghost story?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.57,0:00:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a dark and stormy afternoon
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.74,0:00:21.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this English girl was visiting
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.09,0:00:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sorry this Australian girl was \Nvisiting England
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.05,0:00:28.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know that one already?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.23,0:00:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay here's another one then.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.78,0:00:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a friend of mine \Nyears ago
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.44,0:00:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he bought a nice \Ntownhouse in London
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.23,0:00:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three or four stories
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.75,0:00:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he bought it very very cheaply.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.70,0:00:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why? The agent was pretty honest with him,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.02,0:00:50.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he said people thought \Nthere was a ghost in the house
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.99,0:00:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these old English houses \Nthere are lots of ghosts
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.95,0:00:59.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said "really" okay. but he doesn't \Nbelieve in ghosts: "I will take it anyway"
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.49,0:01:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the very first night when he \Ngot his new house
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.46,0:01:04.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his furniture was coming \Nthe following morning
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.55,0:01:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so he got a camp bed and slept \Non the ground floor
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.90,0:01:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the middle of the night \Nhe was woken up
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.02,0:01:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrap, wrap, wrap, wrap \Nhe thought what was that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.54,0:01:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He thought he just imagined it
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.94,0:01:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so he turned over and tried \Nto sleep again and he heard again
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.48,0:01:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrap wrap wrap wrap
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.11,0:01:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he got out of bed, \Nhe checked all the windows
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.29,0:01:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were all closed
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.80,0:01:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the doors were closed
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.24,0:01:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were no mice,\Nit was a very well kept house,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.99,0:01:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was no logical explanation \Nfor anything making the noise
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.12,0:01:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that room.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.75,0:01:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he thought, it's just \Nimagination.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:47.54,0:01:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He turned around to go back to bed \Nand he heard it much louder this time
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.22,0:01:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"wrap wrap, wrap wrap" it's coming\Nfrom upstairs - second storey.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.73,0:01:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he went upstairs, turned on the light,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.65,0:02:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,looked everywhere for any scientific \Ncause for that sound.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.68,0:02:06.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He couldn't find anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.59,0:02:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was getting a little bit concerned \Nby this time
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.40,0:02:12.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you know just giving up:\Nimagination can play tricks on you.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.67,0:02:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he heard it coming from the \Ntop floor really loud
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.72,0:02:20.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"wrap wrap wrap wrap".
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.94,0:02:24.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he went up to the top floor,\Nturned on the lights,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.87,0:02:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was shaking a bit now,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.10,0:02:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doesn't matter; people say they are not \Nafraid but when supernatural things happen
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.29,0:02:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you actually do get a bit scared.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.43,0:02:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He checked everything in that \Nthird story but couldn't find any
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.59,0:02:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,logical reason for anything \Nmaking that noise.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.48,0:02:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was about to go downstairs
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.92,0:02:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he heard it loud as ever \N"wrap wrap.." coming from the attic.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.76,0:02:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't have any lights in the attic \Nso he quickly went down to get his flashlight
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.28,0:02:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was a little ladder that you can \Ngo to get up into the attic.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.58,0:03:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He climbed up the ladder and he \Nshone the flashlight in the attic:
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.14,0:03:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was full of rubbish, cobwebs\Nand dust like attics are,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.92,0:03:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he turned around trying to \Nfind the source of this noise
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.78,0:03:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then suddenly he heard \Nit right behind him,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.68,0:03:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,loud as ever "Wrap Wrap Wrap Wrap".
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.19,0:03:22.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He turned around and he saw it \Nhe saw with the flashlight.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.74,0:03:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was an old piece of \Nwrapping paper!
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.42,0:03:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a terrible joke:\Nwrapping paper
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.70,0:03:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,goes "wrap wrap"\N[Ajahn Laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.91,0:03:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's going online \Noverseas, has it ?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.94,0:03:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My goodness I do apologize.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.00,0:03:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People made me do that,\Nthat's not my fault.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.15,0:04:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay there is another 1 or 2 minutes \Nbefore we start.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.01,0:04:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lost the monk somewhere \Nanywhere I am sure he will find me.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.23,0:04:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clock says it's 3 o'clock \Nso we may actually start now.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.96,0:04:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's start with the Namo Thassa.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.66,0:04:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.74,0:04:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.67,0:04:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.80,0:05:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Buddham, Dhammam, Sangham namassami.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.93,0:05:05.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very Good.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.19,0:05:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as you all know by now \Nthis is the fortnightly Sutta Class
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.78,0:05:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,second and fourth Sundays of the month \Noutside the Rains Retreat
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.25,0:05:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the senior monks takes\Na Sutta and discusses it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.72,0:05:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But instead of doing the Suttas \Nmost of which we have done before
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.50,0:05:24.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are available on the internet
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.49,0:05:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am using the opportunity to read out a \Nre-translation of the "Word of the Buddha".
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.53,0:05:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was a document which was first \Nprinted in German.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.64,0:05:44.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did some research recently;\Nin 1906 in German,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.61,0:05:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,translated into English in 1907.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.90,0:05:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the translation does need \Nto be updated,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.95,0:05:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,updated for several reasons,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.06,0:06:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first of all some of the words,\Nthe language, is a bit outdated,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.53,0:06:03.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stilted, and makes it hard to understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.58,0:06:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also that some of the translations \Nwe can do much better
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.06,0:06:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the first attempt at translating \NPali words into English;
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.47,0:06:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thirdly, it's something which \NI learnt from when I learned Pali
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.88,0:06:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Professor A.K. Warder\Nwho is another Cambridge guy,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.22,0:06:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of it he must be okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.45,0:06:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He taught me that you do not \Ntranslate word by word,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.86,0:06:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you translate phrase by phrase \Nor sentence by sentence
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.82,0:06:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the unit of language \Nis a phrase, it's not a word.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.80,0:06:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So words only have meaning \Nin the context of what goes before
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.94,0:06:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what goes after them.\NSo we never should translate,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.60,0:06:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(but many people do)\Nword for word:
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.69,0:06:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be sentence for sentence,\Nor phrase by phrase,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.59,0:06:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's what I have \Nattempted to do here.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.86,0:07:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's a different translation \Nthan you had before.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.96,0:07:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So far I have got reasonably \Ngood feedback:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.27,0:07:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people find it much more \Neasy to understand.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.21,0:07:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes away much of the repetition
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.23,0:07:14.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you find if you read \Nthe existing translations
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.72,0:07:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it makes it a little bit \Nmore powerful
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.75,0:07:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you are not distracted by \Nthings like repetition,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.20,0:07:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are not sort-of distracted by \Nwords meaning is a bit weird and strange.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.62,0:07:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We try and use ordinary words \Nwhich are common in 2017.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.40,0:07:38.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's the reason I am doing this.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.37,0:07:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should mention to anyone coming \Nfor the first time
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.38,0:07:49.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is based on the Buddha's\Nteachings from the Suttas.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.37,0:07:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an Anthology where we take \Nthis Sutta or part of this Sutta
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.24,0:07:59.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and part of another Sutta and we string \Nthat together along a theme
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.42,0:08:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the theme is the \NFour Nobles Truths.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.11,0:08:03.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with the Four Nobles Truths
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.84,0:08:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we also have the last of those \NFour Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.89,0:08:10.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is where we are right now.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.16,0:08:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're just, almost, completing\Nthe first of the Eightfold Path
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.43,0:08:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Right View.\NAnd Right View is many many things
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.89,0:08:22.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but here we get to that part of \NRight View
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.91,0:08:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if one really penetrates\Nthe Right View
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.07,0:08:30.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and here is actually \Nwhat they say there.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.14,0:08:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Diṭṭhipatho -- diṭṭhi means the right view \N'Patho' means achieved (right view).
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.60,0:08:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you are one who has achieved \Nright view
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.77,0:08:42.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that's a simile for being \Na Stream-Winner.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.31,0:08:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is no small thing,\Nit's the view when it gets corrected
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.54,0:08:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which makes the person\Na Sowan, a Stream-Winner.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.64,0:08:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is where we are \Nat the moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.42,0:08:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Sotāpanna or Stream-Winner.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.83,0:09:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is from Majjhima Nikāya 22.\NI give the references so anyone can
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.46,0:09:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go and check the other \Ntranslations which you may find in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.48,0:09:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,books by Bhikkhu Bodhi which is \Nmuch more academic
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.99,0:09:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you can even better learn some Pali and\Nlook it up in the original, which is the best.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.41,0:09:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"When you contemplate in this way,"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.25,0:09:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(and what we were doing before \Nthe contemplating no-self)
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.20,0:09:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"when you are contemplating in this way \Nthree fetters are abandoned in you"
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.48,0:09:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the word fetter it's what a \Npoliceman would put on you
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.47,0:09:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like handcuff, balls and chains,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.82,0:09:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it means something which stops \Nmoving, which stops you being free.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.53,0:09:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"three fetters are abandoned in you:
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.48,0:09:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a view of a permanent essence"\N(otherwise known as a soul
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.31,0:09:54.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to make it more accurate an essence,\Nan essence of this body and mind
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.43,0:09:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you take to be you,\Nwhich is permanent,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.83,0:10:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which goes from life to life,\Nthat's a view which is abandoned
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.48,0:10:03.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Stream-winning: a permanent essence.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.47,0:10:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"...skeptical doubt and belief that rites\Nand rituals are sufficient in themselves
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.86,0:10:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reach enlightenment. Those who\Nhave abandoned three fetters are all
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.25,0:10:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stream-enterers, no longer subject\Nto rebirth in a lower realm
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.10,0:10:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and headed for full enlightenment."
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.92,0:10:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the view of a permanent essence is the\Ncore of those wrong views which are overcome.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.64,0:10:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The skeptical doubt: all skeptical doubt can\Nonly be overcome with direct experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.65,0:10:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is not something you just\Nbelieve that there is no self,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.77,0:10:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like you may believe in\Nlike a Jesus or Allah or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.34,0:10:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is actually a direct experience
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.68,0:10:58.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means all skeptical doubt,\Nall doubt, is totally abolished.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.65,0:11:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has to be a strong experience,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.25,0:11:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not just a little understanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.94,0:11:08.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an experience which has to come
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.89,0:11:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when in the Buddhist way \Nof looking at things
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.01,0:11:17.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,five hindrances which are what \Nstops and blocks wisdom arising,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.97,0:11:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when those five hindrances are overcome,\Nwhen the five hindrances,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.99,0:11:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they call them hindrances:\Nit's a good word.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.20,0:11:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are they hindering: wisdom\NThey block it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.20,0:11:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's like looking through a mist:\Nyou are not being able to see clearly.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.36,0:11:39.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those hindrances, it's the purpose of deep\Nmeditation to overcome those, so you can see clearly.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.83,0:11:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then of course once it's seen clearly \Nwith pre or post Jhana mind
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.44,0:11:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then no skeptical doubt is left at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.43,0:11:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a very powerful experience.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.08,0:11:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also the belief that \Nrites and rituals are
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.32,0:11:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sufficient in themselves to \Nreach enlightenment,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.80,0:12:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it may seem why do we have that \Nas a fetter or a wrong view
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.13,0:12:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when most people in the Western World
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.55,0:12:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't really do much \Nof rites and rituals
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.53,0:12:09.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but still there are many many \Npeople even alive today
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.63,0:12:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who still believe that by doing chanting\Nor by doing this ritual or that rite
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.31,0:12:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can actually say you are \Na stream-winner or whatever.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.93,0:12:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course it's not a something \Nto be gained by rites or rituals
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.68,0:12:29.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like say a marriage or like...\Nwhat's another rite and ritual..
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.83,0:12:35.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,marriage is the best one.\NThis is something which is beyond
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.84,0:12:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rites and rituals, it's something\Nwhich comes from deep meditations.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.84,0:12:41.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are the three things \Nwhich are abandoned
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.100,0:12:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the most important one of them is the\Nview of a permanent essence: a soul.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.92,0:12:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And those who abandon these three \Nfetters are all Stream-enterers,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.46,0:12:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no longer subject to rebirth in a lower realm
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.52,0:13:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means you are never going to be \Nreborn as an animal, as a hungry ghost
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.20,0:13:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which goes "wrap wrap"\Nin the middle of the night,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.37,0:13:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never reborn in any hell realm.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.62,0:13:13.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though one may have bad kamma
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.02,0:13:17.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like in the time of the Buddha \Nthere was this gentleman called Angulimala,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.29,0:13:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a serial killer and he managed to avoid being\Nreborn in lower realms as a result of his murdering,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.60,0:13:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course it really needs us to \Nactually inquire the question why
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.18,0:13:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why is like kamma which is such an \Nimportant part of Buddhism,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.39,0:13:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know if you do bad things \Nyou have to pay the consequences,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.75,0:13:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why is it for stream-winners\Nthey get out of jail free: why?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.21,0:13:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have mentioned this in \Nmany of the talks before,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.28,0:14:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's because, this is not here \Nthis is Ajahn Brahm
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.70,0:14:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you have a sense of self \Nyou haven't seen non-self,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.33,0:14:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you will always have guilt
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.56,0:14:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's very hard to \Nforgive yourself
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.48,0:14:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you think there is a self there.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.90,0:14:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So forgiveness, it's actually based\Non an identity
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.72,0:14:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, not forgiveness, guilt, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.26,0:14:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Guilt is based on your very deep belief\Nthat there is an identity there,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.06,0:14:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a being continuous from that time:\Nyou did that deed till now
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.55,0:14:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which needs to be punished.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.01,0:14:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one of the wonderful \Nthings about Buddhism,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.26,0:14:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have said this many times:
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.97,0:14:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't have punishment \Nbecause the Buddha saw non-self.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.64,0:14:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no need to punish yourself now
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.26,0:14:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for something you did a long time ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.60,0:14:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no need but we still do it
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.34,0:15:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we haven't penetrated non-self.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.62,0:15:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you see this truth,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.13,0:15:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is no permanent essence\Nwithin you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.31,0:15:15.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that makes it very easy \Nto let go of the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.37,0:15:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not your past even though someone\Nby your name perpetrated that bad deed.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.95,0:15:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It overcomes guilt\Nand once guilt is let go of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.89,0:15:30.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(in other words real true forgiveness \Nof yourself)
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.52,0:15:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there is no reason to send yourself\Nto any lower realm.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.66,0:15:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for those people who say \Nlower realms, hells and heavens,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.60,0:15:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are the same as other old\NAbrahamic religions is it just a myth,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.90,0:15:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we understand \Nwhat these places are
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.10,0:15:52.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you understand why they \Nare not a myth at all:
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.07,0:15:56.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you create your heavens and hells
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.36,0:16:00.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not some place waiting \Nfor you like Bali or like London
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.87,0:16:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just travel there \Nand there it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.16,0:16:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You create these places, \Nthese are mind-made realms
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.64,0:16:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and once you understand \Nthe power of this mind
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.46,0:16:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with lots of meditation you understand\Nhow these realms are created,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.92,0:16:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,created to suit you\Nhowever much you want to be punished.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.04,0:16:28.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how much you create the pain\Nof that realm: you do it yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.75,0:16:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whatever you think you \Nneed to be rewarded for,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.73,0:16:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you think you have been \Na good person,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.83,0:16:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's how you create your\Nheaven accordingly.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.71,0:16:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why rebirth in a lower realm
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.43,0:16:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is shut out for you,\Nyou don't need that anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.47,0:16:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And headed for full enlightenment.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.95,0:16:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In how many lifetimes do you \Nhave after you become a stream-winner,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.72,0:16:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nicholas you are banned from answering\Nthis question because you know the answer,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.72,0:17:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some people say seven\Nsome people say six.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.53,0:17:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Put your hand up for \Nseven more lifetimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.14,0:17:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Put your hand up for \Nsix more lifetimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.28,0:17:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the ones for six more lifetimes \Nyou have listened to me before
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.20,0:17:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because in Buddhism this \Nlifetime is number one,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.42,0:17:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so six more as well as this one.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.20,0:17:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just the same way that many of you\Nwho are Asian or know Asian friends:
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.03,0:17:35.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was born in 1951 in August so I am now\N65 years and a half in sort-of Australia
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.99,0:17:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in Asia I am 66.\NThis is my 66th year.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:41.79,0:17:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's one of the reasons why\Nin Asia you can retire one year earlier
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.89,0:17:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drive a car one year earlier,\Ngo to the pub one year earlier - no you can't do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.42,0:17:55.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they count earlier: as soon as\Nyou are born you are one.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.58,0:17:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the same here,\Nthe way of counting means
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.02,0:18:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is one life, you have six more \Nlives after this; at most. Maximum.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.68,0:18:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now sometimes people ask\Nwhat if you are a stream-winner
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.14,0:18:16.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you only got this life plus six more, what\Nhappens if you decide out of compassion
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.84,0:18:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actually not to have six more \Nlives but have six hundred lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.85,0:18:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What if you want to be \NBodhisattva?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.91,0:18:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Put off your Enlightenment from here \Non in so that you can teach other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.53,0:18:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any comments? Yes Ananda.\N(comment not audible)
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.03,0:18:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Exactly you can't; there is no one \Nin there to make the choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.63,0:18:44.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an automatic process.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.56,0:18:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't delay it, you can't rush it,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.97,0:18:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't do anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.97,0:18:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just the same as if I am\Ngoing to Canberra tomorrow morning.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.52,0:18:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If when I am going to Canberra,\NI usually travel Virgin Airlines
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.99,0:19:07.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Virgin is the appropriate \Nairline for a monk,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.11,0:19:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when I am travelling,\Nsuppose I ask the pilot and say:
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.18,0:19:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look I always wanted to see \Nasphalt from the air can you please
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.64,0:19:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sweeping down pass the asphalt \Njust go round a few times just for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.26,0:19:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would they do that? Of course not\Nbecause he has got a schedule,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.26,0:19:28.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he has to go to Canberra,\Nhe can't just stop just for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.77,0:19:32.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the same, trying to \Nput off your enlightenment
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.04,0:19:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at that particular time, once \Nyou are a stream-winner; it's too late.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.41,0:19:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't put off anything anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.00,0:19:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your sense of self is gone. \NYou can't control, it's too late.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.49,0:19:49.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether you like it or not \Nsix more lifetimes at most.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:49.03,0:19:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have, I very rarely do this
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.28,0:19:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I want to have this \Nas the Word of the Buddha
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.87,0:19:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but Bhikkhu Bodhi did an \Nexcellent commentary
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.89,0:20:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to bring everything together \Non the Noble Ones and the 10 fetters.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.13,0:20:04.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm going to read that out now.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.29,0:20:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"On entering the irreversible path \Nto the attainment of Nibbāna,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.57,0:20:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(That's what I said irreversible, \Nonce you are on that path that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:12.48,0:20:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are on the bus, \Nit doesn't do a U-turn.)
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.05,0:20:19.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On entering the irreversible path \Nto the attainment of Nibbāna,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.78,0:20:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one becomes a noble person \Ncalled ariyapuggala."
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.36,0:20:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ariya means a noble one; \Npuggala means a person.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.39,0:20:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do know that in Nazi Germany \Nthey started to take that word Ariyan
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.13,0:20:37.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and give it meanings which it \Ndidn't really deserve.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.07,0:20:39.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They even took the swastika, turned it \Nthe other way around
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.89,0:20:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and used that as their symbol.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.46,0:20:44.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So sometimes when you \Nuse the word Ariya
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.27,0:20:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes people say \N"hey what you are talking about"
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.72,0:20:50.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But Ariya is a very old word;\Nmeans a noble person
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.31,0:20:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in this particular \Ncase it refers to a person
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.96,0:20:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is stream-winner or above.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.50,0:21:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word “noble ariya" here \Ndenoting spiritual nobility,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.59,0:21:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just to make sure you understand \Nwhy we never tell anybody,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.15,0:21:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's against our monastic rules\Nto tell anybody who is a stream-winner,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.88,0:21:14.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is a once-returner,\Nnon-returner or Arahant.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.52,0:21:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many times you ask me that,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.54,0:21:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I usually say no, \NI can't tell you.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.05,0:21:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's kept a secret,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.37,0:21:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reason why is because we \Ndon't want to split the Sangha
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.88,0:21:32.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the two classes: High class\N(these are the stream-winners, non returners)
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.47,0:21:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the riff raff.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.99,0:21:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the story is, because honestly \Nif you all know which monk
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.43,0:21:44.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Bodhinyana Monastery and Nuns\Nwhich was an Arahant
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.81,0:21:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was the stream-winner \Nwhich was this riff-raff
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.44,0:21:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suppose one of the riff-raff monks \Nwas coming to give the talk:
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.52,0:21:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I am not going to listen to him,\Nhe is only riff-raff"
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.02,0:22:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only that - my first year\Nin Thailand - very bad food.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.79,0:22:08.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One morning a big ute came,\Na pick-up truck,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.01,0:22:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the back was full of pots \Nand pans - you could smell it
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.63,0:22:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the refectory; delicious \Nfood they were bringing that day.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.32,0:22:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I could see it through the \Nwindow and I thought
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.44,0:22:20.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Wow today I am going to get a nice meal"
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.39,0:22:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We only had one meal a day,\Njust one chance.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.61,0:22:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the driver came out and \Nwent into the halls.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.90,0:22:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those days, 42 years ago, maybe only 50\Nmonks, 60 monks there, including Ajahn Chah.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.50,0:22:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(He) came in and said \N'Is Ajahn Chah here today?'
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.77,0:22:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He wasn't, he was in somebody's house\Ndoing a blessing.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.54,0:22:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'He is not here today?' and I said 'no'.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.78,0:22:48.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he got in the car \Nand drove away.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.29,0:22:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He never gave us any of that food.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.91,0:22:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you are only 23, really hungry,\Nthat hurts.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.72,0:22:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was just because they never \Nthought
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.76,0:23:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,young monks, you don't get much merits \Nfor that food.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.03,0:23:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn Chah he gets much more merit.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:04.81,0:23:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They invest in places where \Nthey get greater returns.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.17,0:23:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's actually true and that's \Nwhy we never say.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.81,0:23:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is also the old joke;
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.14,0:23:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we did say splitting up the two monks; \Ntwo types of monks,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.00,0:23:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the ordinary monks and the nobility,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.70,0:23:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would create not the Ariyastocracy \Nnot the Aristocracy, the Ariyastocracy
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.90,0:23:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know the big shots
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.22,0:23:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we don't do that, we try and keep \Neverybody equal, everyone respected.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.41,0:23:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also please do that with yourself \Nas lay people.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.56,0:23:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't go around telling other \Npeople 'I am a stream-winner'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:42.09,0:23:45.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Ah! that's nothing, I was a \Nstream-winner two years ago'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.56,0:23:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'I am a once-returner'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.25,0:23:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Once-returner; that's nothing\NI am a non-returner'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.80,0:23:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'That's nothing I am an Arahant'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.16,0:23:56.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'That's nothing, I got psychic powers'\N'That's nothing'
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.73,0:23:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't get into that spiritual pride.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:59.77,0:24:04.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So anyway, we always keep it quiet.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.03,0:24:08.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tt's not an attainment your ego, your sense\Nof self is supposed to be diminishing
Dialogue: 0,0:24:08.74,0:24:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not increasing: you are seeing non-self\Nnot something you are proud of.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.61,0:24:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"So on entering the irreversible path \Nto the attainment of Nibbāna,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.22,0:24:19.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one becomes a noble person (ariyapuggala)"
Dialogue: 0,0:24:19.96,0:24:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The word “noble” (ariya) here \Ndenoting spiritual nobility.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.52,0:24:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"There are four major types of \Nnoble persons.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.48,0:24:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and each stage is \Ndivided into two phases:
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.34,0:24:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the path and its fruition.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.11,0:24:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the path phase, \None is said to be practicing
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.40,0:24:38.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the attainment of a \Nparticular fruition,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.39,0:24:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which one is bound to \Nrealize within that same life;
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.76,0:24:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the resultant phase, one is said \Nto be established in that fruition.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.32,0:24:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thus the four major types of \Nnoble persons
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.25,0:24:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually comprise four pairs \Nor eight types of noble individuals.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.51,0:24:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As enumerated these are:
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.26,0:24:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One practicing for the realization \Nof the fruit of stream-entry,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.57,0:25:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the stream-enterer.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.64,0:25:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One practicing for the realization \Nof the fruit of once-returning
Dialogue: 0,0:25:03.94,0:25:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the once-returner.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.85,0:25:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One practicing for the realization \Nof the fruit of non-returning,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.93,0:25:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the non-returner.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.60,0:25:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One practicing for arahantship,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.44,0:25:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Arahant (fully enlightened).
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.52,0:25:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first seven persons are \Ncollectively known as sekhas
Dialogue: 0,0:25:19.63,0:25:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or trainees or \Ndisciples in the higher training;
Dialogue: 0,0:25:23.21,0:25:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only the arahant is called \Nthe asekha, the one beyond training.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.86,0:25:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason why we say that \Nis because
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.13,0:25:35.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any of you who do the \Nstandard chanting
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.34,0:25:37.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ithipiso Bagawa
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.100,0:25:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you get to the third \Nquality of the Sangha
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.04,0:25:44.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Supatipanno Bhagavato sāvakasangho'
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.46,0:25:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it goes on to\N'Esa Bhagavato sāvakasangho'
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.95,0:25:53.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What was it then: 'cattāri purisa\Nyugāni Attha purisa puggalā':
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.33,0:25:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the four people, \Nthe eight pairs
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.35,0:25:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no; the four pairs\Nthe eight people
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.85,0:26:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is where that comes from:\Nfour pairs and the eight people:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.42,0:26:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stream-winner, Once-returner \NNon-returner, Arahant,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.63,0:26:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then divided into pairs: the one\Non the path and then got to the goal.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.25,0:26:14.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The four main stages themselves \Nare defined in two ways:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.47,0:26:17.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by way of the defilements \Neradicated by the path leading
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.30,0:26:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the corresponding fruit; \Nand by way of the destiny
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.73,0:26:24.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after death that awaits one \Nwho has realized that particular fruit."
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.66,0:26:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words by what's been abandoned and\Nwhat's going to happen to you after you die.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.33,0:26:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the stream-enterer abandons the \Nfirst three fetters:
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.15,0:26:37.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the view of a soul, that is, the view of a \Ntruly existent permanent essence
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.03,0:26:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either as identical with the \Nfive components of existence
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.86,0:26:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(that's the five Khandas) or as existing\Nin some relation to the five Khandas.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.66,0:26:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically nowhere can you find a sense\Nof a self, a permanent essence either
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.43,0:26:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,identical with the five Khandas \Nor existing in some relationship to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.44,0:27:01.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doubt about the Buddha, the Dhamma, \Nand the Saṅgha, and the training;
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.56,0:27:07.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the wrong grasp of rules and \Nobservances: that's the belief that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.37,0:27:11.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mere external observances, \Nparticularly religious rituals
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.02,0:27:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ascetic practices, \Ncan lead to liberation.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.22,0:27:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the example of that from the\NSuttas is the Buddha once met,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.58,0:27:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is in the Dheega Nikaya,\NI haven't mentioned it here,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.26,0:27:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once mentioned these two \Nascetics in India
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.22,0:27:31.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one was a cow ascetic and\None was a dog ascetic.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.45,0:27:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the cow ascetic went \Naround on all fours,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.21,0:27:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ate grass, slept with cows \Nand went 'moo'
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.68,0:27:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the dog ascetic \Nacted like a dog
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.30,0:27:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they came up to the Buddha
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.87,0:27:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were actually quite good friends
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.44,0:27:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are human beings, \Nif you ever been to India
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.31,0:27:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you see some of the stuff \Nwhich goes on there
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.81,0:27:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe you can \Nactually believe that.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:53.03,0:27:54.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they asked the Buddha
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.41,0:27:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'what happens, we were told that this; \Na very hard thing to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.33,0:28:03.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,imagine the endurance you need \Nto do that, survive
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.11,0:28:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they said 'what would happen \Nto us after we die'
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.19,0:28:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Are we going to be Arahants?' \Nbecause we are giving up so much
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.56,0:28:14.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Buddha said \Nplease don't ask me
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.75,0:28:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they pressed him, He said \NWell if you act like that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.04,0:28:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then after death you will be reborn \Nas a dog and you be reborn as a cow.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:25.39,0:28:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He didn't like to give that answer at all.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.46,0:28:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But people actually do those \Nrites and rituals thinking that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.67,0:28:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by such practices they are \Ngoing to get somewhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.52,0:28:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the ttream-enterer \Nthat's what they give up/
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.84,0:28:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The destination is assured of \Nattaining full Enlightenment
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.54,0:28:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least in a six more existences
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.38,0:28:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which would take place either \Nin the human realm or the heavenly realms.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.91,0:28:53.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The stream-enterer will never undergo \Nan eighth existence
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.65,0:28:55.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the present existence\Nis counted as the first
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.61,0:29:00.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is forever freed from \Nrebirth in the three lower realms:
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.11,0:29:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hells, the realm of afflicted with \Nspirits (ghosts), and the animal realm.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.42,0:29:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember this is Bhikkhu Bodhi.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:06.30,0:29:10.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The once-returner does not \Neradicate any new fetters.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.77,0:29:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He or she has eliminated the three \Nfetters that the stream-enterer
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.96,0:29:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has destroyed, and additionally weakens the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.43,0:29:23.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three unwholesome roots— \Nwanting, aversion, and delusion.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.13,0:29:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this wanting and ill-will (aversion),\Nthey have been weakened
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.97,0:29:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not fully abandoned yet,\Nso that they do not arise often
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.04,0:29:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and, when they do arise, \Ndo not become obsessive.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.15,0:29:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As the name implies, the once-returner \Nwill come back to this world
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.93,0:29:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only one more time and \Nthen make an end to suffering.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:41.88,0:29:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The non-returner eradicates \Nthe five 'basic fetters'.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.10,0:29:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I call them basic fetters because this is \Nthe base by which we keep getting reborn.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.26,0:29:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's, in addition to the three fetters \Neliminated by the stream-enterer,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.95,0:30:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the non-returner eradicates two \Nadditional fetters:
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.12,0:30:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the desire for the five senses, \Nand anything to do with the five senses,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.50,0:30:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's wanting to do with seeing, \Nhearing, smelling, tasting and touching
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.23,0:30:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are totally abandoned.\NAnd aversion.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.87,0:30:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because non-returners have eradicated \Ndesire for the five-sense world,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.08,0:30:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have no ties binding \Nthem to this world.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.50,0:30:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thus they take birth in the 'pure abodes'\N(suddhāvāsa) only for non-returners.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.41,0:30:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Another mind-made realm. \NThat's all they got left; the mind.)
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.59,0:30:37.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They attain final Nibbāna there,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.65,0:30:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without ever returning to rebirth in\Nthe worlds of the five senses.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.02,0:30:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The non-returner, however, is still \Nbound by the five 'higher fetters':
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.27,0:30:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attachment to Jhāna, (and here I \Nalways say okay I admit that you can be
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.84,0:30:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attached jhānas but it only means \Nyou can't make that last step
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.57,0:31:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from non-returner to an Arahant yet.\NSo it's one of those attachments
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.54,0:31:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is not really worth\Ntalking about at this stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.34,0:31:14.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later on when you become a \Nnon-returner then we can talk about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.06,0:31:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But be attached to the jhāna till \Nyou get there first.)
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.59,0:31:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and attachment to the \Nimmaterial attainments,"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.84,0:31:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are based on the jhānas.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:22.13,0:31:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now we have the conceit.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.80,0:31:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The conceit here is a Pali word:\Nis a conception,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.55,0:31:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not the same as the idea of \Nconceit we have in English.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.83,0:31:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's "the thought or perception \N‘I am’ sometimes arises:
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.88,0:31:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am better; I am worse; I am the same."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.03,0:31:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we are going to later on \Nwe have an example of that
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.08,0:31:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I put in here of what this \Nreally means
Dialogue: 0,0:31:46.31,0:31:49.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we will come on to that later.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:49.12,0:31:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Restlessness and deluded \Nthoughts or perceptions."
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.98,0:31:57.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your views have been straightened out.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:57.81,0:32:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are thoughts of perception \Nwhich are basically old habits
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.50,0:32:08.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on the views you had had \Na long time ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.46,0:32:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Those who cut off the five higher fetters
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.12,0:32:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have no more ties binding \Nthem to existence.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.58,0:32:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the Arahants, \Nwho have destroyed all defilements
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.84,0:32:23.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are completely liberated \Nthrough final knowledge."
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.55,0:32:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I put this one in because \Nhaving said attachment to Jhāna is bad
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.74,0:32:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only in one particular context, you know \Nstops you going from that last step
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.43,0:32:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from being a non-returner to \Nfull enlightenment;
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.37,0:32:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it also has its advantages.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.79,0:32:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is the Jhāna anāgāmī \NJhānānāgāmī
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.50,0:32:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is; there is a shortcut between being\Na stream-winner and going to Enlightenment
Dialogue: 0,0:32:52.43,0:32:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is it.\NThis is from the Anguttara:
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.83,0:33:01.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Just as, in the autumn, \Nwhen the sky is clear and cloudless,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.65,0:33:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the sun, ascending in the sky,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.70,0:33:07.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dispels all darkness from space as \Nit shines and beams and radiates,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.95,0:33:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so too, when the dust-free, \Nstainless Dhamma-eye arises in you,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.83,0:33:15.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then, with the arising of vision, \Nyou abandon three fetters:
Dialogue: 0,0:33:15.59,0:33:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the view of a permanent essence, \Ndoubt, and wrong grasp of
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.22,0:33:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,behaviour and observances."\N(There the Buddha being a bit poetic)
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.92,0:33:29.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Afterwards, when you restrain two states, \Nwanting and aversion,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.37,0:33:34.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then, totally secluded from the \Nfive senses,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.70,0:33:36.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,secluded from the five hindrances,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.100,0:33:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you enter and dwell for a while \Nin the first jhāna,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.84,0:33:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which consists of rapture and pleasure \Nborn of freedom from the five senses,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.42,0:33:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accompanied by movements of the \Nmind onto the bliss and holding the bliss."
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.60,0:33:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's you enter First Jhana,\Nthis is the important part.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.90,0:33:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If you should pass away while \Nthus in Jhāna,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:56.45,0:34:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there’s no fetter bound by which \Nyou might ever return to this world."
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.39,0:34:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bhikkhu Bodhi's commentary:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.65,0:34:08.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"This phrase normally denotes \Nthe attainment of non-returning.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.59,0:34:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The commentary, however, \Nidentifies this disciple
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.29,0:34:16.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a “Jhāna non-returner” \Na Jhānānāgāmī,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.00,0:34:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is, a stream-enterer or \Nonce-returner who also attains Jhāna.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.98,0:34:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though such a practitioner \Nhas not yet eliminated the two fetters
Dialogue: 0,0:34:24.34,0:34:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of sensual desire and aversion,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.09,0:34:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by attaining Jhāna he or she is \Nbound to be reborn in the Jhāna realm
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.20,0:34:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and attain Nibbāna there,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.63,0:34:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without taking another \Nrebirth in the sense sphere."
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.42,0:34:42.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in other words if you are a \Nstream-winner and you get into
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.65,0:34:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Jhanas there is another Sutta\Nwhich says just do Jhanas often or
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.75,0:34:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you die in a Jhana then\Nyou get promoted to be Anāgāmī.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:53.03,0:34:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that Jhana Realm which you \Ncontinue on after your death
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.84,0:35:01.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then when that fades away so do you.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.100,0:35:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's it. You Nibbāna from the \NJhana realm.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.29,0:35:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's is pretty cool. So it makes\Nus once you get to see non-self
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.06,0:35:17.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do lots of Jhana\Nthen basically that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.82,0:35:23.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You die ..... how many aeons in\Nthe Jhana realms blissing out
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.78,0:35:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then when it fades away \Nyou fade away too.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.40,0:35:31.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nibbāna from there. \NThe Jhānānāgāmī.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.38,0:35:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why that happens again is because
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.79,0:35:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is nothing to come back to.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.47,0:35:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No ties, you are letting go so much
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.39,0:35:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the Jhana disappears so do you.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.79,0:35:51.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now, what it feels like to be \Na non-returner.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:51.03,0:35:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have seen there is no self
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.10,0:35:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's said on the top here
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.48,0:35:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they still have this conceit \Nsometimes,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.24,0:36:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'I am' based on old habitual \Nthoughts or perceptions.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.60,0:36:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fortunately there is a nice Sutta
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.43,0:36:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this monk called Khemaka \Nwho was an ānāgāmī, a non-returner,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.36,0:36:16.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and monks asked him basically \Nwhat it's like to be a non-returner.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:16.93,0:36:19.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why you got so far why can't \Nyou go the last step
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.94,0:36:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to become fully-enlightened.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.18,0:36:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is what the simile the \NBuddha uses
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.20,0:36:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I did adapt but basically \Nkeeping the essence
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.25,0:36:34.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is called the 'scent of I am'
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.81,0:36:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The scent of I am"
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.91,0:36:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is the monks talking to \None of their friends, Venerable Khamaka:
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.54,0:36:48.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Friend Khemaka, when \Nyou speak of this ‘I am’ …
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.18,0:36:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is it that you speak of as ‘I am’?”
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.58,0:36:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He replies: “Friends, I do not\Nspeak of form (that's rupa) as ‘I am,’
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.91,0:37:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor do I speak of ‘I am’ apart from form.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.26,0:37:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not speak of experience (vedanā) \Nas ‘I am’ …
Dialogue: 0,0:37:04.48,0:37:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor of perception as ‘I am’ … \Nnor of volition as ‘I am’ …
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.67,0:37:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor of consciousnesses as ‘I am,’
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.94,0:37:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor do I speak of ‘I am’ \Napart from consciousnesses.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.68,0:37:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not in the five Khandas, \Nnot outside of them
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.02,0:37:23.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Friends, although the thought ‘I am’ \Nhas not yet vanished in me
Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.62,0:37:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relation to these \Nfive components of existence,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.71,0:37:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still I do not regard anything \Namong them as ‘This I am.’
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.30,0:37:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(And he gives a simile)
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.45,0:37:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Suppose, friends, \Nthere is a scent of a lotus.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.82,0:37:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you be speaking rightly \Nif you were to say,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.06,0:37:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘the scent belongs to the petals,’ \Nor ‘the scent belongs to the stalk,’
Dialogue: 0,0:37:45.47,0:37:47.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or ‘the scent belongs to the pistils’?”
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.48,0:37:48.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“No.”
Dialogue: 0,0:37:48.31,0:37:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“And how, friends, should you answer \Nif you were to answer rightly?”
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.64,0:37:54.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“You should answer: \N‘The scent belongs to the flower.’
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.31,0:37:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“So too, friends, \NI do not speak of form as ‘I am,’
Dialogue: 0,0:37:57.98,0:38:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor do I speak of ‘I am’ apart from form.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.24,0:38:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not speak of experience, perception, \Nwill or consciousnesses as "I am"
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.01,0:38:09.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor do I speak of ‘I am’ \Napart from consciousnesses.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.71,0:38:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Friends, although the thought \N‘I am’ has not yet vanished in me
Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.48,0:38:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in relation to these five \Ncomponents of existence,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.83,0:38:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still I do not regard anything \Namong them as ‘This I am.’
Dialogue: 0,0:38:20.82,0:38:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Friends... (got another simile which is\Nbetter but down below)
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.42,0:38:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Friends, even though a noble disciple \Nhas abandoned the five basic fetters,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.24,0:38:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still, in relation to the five \Ncomponents of existence, the Khandas
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.24,0:38:42.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there lingers in them \Na residual thought ‘I am,’
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.78,0:38:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a desire ‘I am,’ \Nan underlying tendency ‘I am’
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.08,0:38:51.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has not yet been uprooted.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.52,0:38:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Sometime later they grow contemplating \Ndependency on causes
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.82,0:39:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the five components of existence:
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.05,0:39:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘Such is form (body), such its origin, \Nsuch its passing away;
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.99,0:39:07.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such is experience, \Nsuch is perception,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.79,0:39:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such is will,\Nsuch are the six consciousnesses,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:11.56,0:39:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such their origin, \Nsuch is their passing away.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.28,0:39:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As they dwell contemplating dependency on\Ncauses of the five components of existence,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.35,0:39:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the residual thought ‘I am,’ \Nthe desire ‘I am,’
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.15,0:39:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the underlying tendency ‘I am’
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.29,0:39:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that had not yet been uprooted:\Nthis comes to be uprooted.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.67,0:39:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(And this is the killer simile \Nwhich I adapted)
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.98,0:39:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Suppose you washed a cloth \Nin a washing machine,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:40.01,0:39:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rinsed and spun it, \Nand then put it in a drier.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.99,0:39:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although that cloth would be clean,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.76,0:39:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still it might retain the residual \Nsmell of the soap powder.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.60,0:39:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you would hang it \Nout in the sun to air,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.94,0:40:00.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after a while, the residual smell \Nof the soap powder would vanish.”
Dialogue: 0,0:40:00.51,0:40:02.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the original simile \Nif you read it
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.82,0:40:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the washer women, \Ntake it to the river
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.77,0:40:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they bang it \Nwith lye or cow dung.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.92,0:40:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how they used to wash \Nin those days,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.06,0:40:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after washing it, it will still have\Nthe smell of the lye or the cow dung.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.49,0:40:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a simile like that \Nwhat happens is people just
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.46,0:40:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole meaning of the simile
Dialogue: 0,0:40:22.60,0:40:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is overwhelmed by the weird way\Npeople used to wash clothes in those days.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.15,0:40:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is how we are washing \Nthese days
Dialogue: 0,0:40:29.89,0:40:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and still keeps the essence of the simile.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.21,0:40:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You all have done that, washing \Nsomething in the washing machine
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.76,0:40:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and after it got the smell\Nof the soap powder.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.35,0:40:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's like you have washed away \Nmost of the defilements,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.70,0:40:42.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still got the smell of \N'I am' there.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:42.56,0:40:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the non-returner.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.92,0:40:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“So too, friends, even though a noble \Ndisciple has abandoned
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.57,0:40:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the five lower fetters, \Nwashed clean,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.10,0:40:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still, in relation to the five Khandas \Nthere lingers in them
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.07,0:40:59.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a residual thought ‘I am, \Nthe desire ‘I am,’
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.98,0:41:01.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an underlying \Ntendency ‘I am’
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.92,0:41:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has not yet been uprooted.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.65,0:41:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as you dwell contemplating \Ndependency on causes
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.21,0:41:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the five components of existence,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.32,0:41:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the residual thought ‘I am,\N’ the desire ‘I am,’
Dialogue: 0,0:41:13.19,0:41:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the underlying tendency to ‘I am’ \Nthat had not yet been uprooted
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.46,0:41:21.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this comes to be uprooted."
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.72,0:41:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what had happened there \Nis the habitual tendencies
Dialogue: 0,0:41:27.98,0:41:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other simile which I was \Ntalking about
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.19,0:41:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I have seen this \Nmany times
Dialogue: 0,0:41:31.73,0:41:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people say smokers \Nsmoke cigarettes
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.49,0:41:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they know it's bad for your health \Nthey got right view of the
Dialogue: 0,0:41:38.71,0:41:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,danger of cigarettes but they\Ncan't really get rid of it yet
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.32,0:41:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it takes them a while
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.04,0:41:53.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until the view actually starts to \Npenetrate into their behaviour
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.42,0:41:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way they perceive \Nand think totally
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.78,0:42:02.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,otherwise sometimes there is \Nsome lingering desire for cigarettes.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:02.55,0:42:08.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But after the view how dangerous and \Nyucky it's to really penetrate into them
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.47,0:42:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there's no way they're going \Nto take a cigarette any more.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:10.92,0:42:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have abandoned it.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:13.27,0:42:16.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So once you get your views straight
Dialogue: 0,0:42:16.04,0:42:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have understood something
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.76,0:42:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(alcohol is bad for you or whatever)
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.99,0:42:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't mean straight away you \Nare going to give up sort-of the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:23.52,0:42:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad habits: they linger awhile until\Nthe new view, the correct view becomes
Dialogue: 0,0:42:30.22,0:42:32.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so strong, it actually washes away
Dialogue: 0,0:42:32.49,0:42:42.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even the old sense or the smell\Nof the old views, the old habits.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:42.75,0:42:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope that's clear because it's \Na very important point there.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.14,0:42:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am going to pause for a moment \Nto see whether there are any questions
Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.86,0:42:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on what we have done so far on the \Nstages of Enlightenment.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.52,0:42:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.74,0:43:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: The stream-enterer cannot be\Nreborn in a lower form, even if they have
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.97,0:43:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,murdered somebody in a past life because \Nthey have given up the view of self.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:09.33,0:43:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But presumably they wouldn't kill \Nanyone again.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.44,0:43:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Indeed because one as a \Nstream-winner
Dialogue: 0,0:43:17.18,0:43:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this was a question.... who asked me this \Nsometime ago.. I think it was actually
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.05,0:43:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bhante G.\NHe was trying to test me out
Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.44,0:43:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he asked me; he said stream \Nwinner can they break the five precepts
Dialogue: 0,0:43:33.05,0:43:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the answer was Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.14,0:43:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they know straight away \Nwhat they have done
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.25,0:43:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so they can't hide it.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:39.61,0:43:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can't sort-of just "no no no \Nno no no".
Dialogue: 0,0:43:43.30,0:43:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they've still got bad habits \Nfrom the past.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.79,0:43:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those bad habits from the past
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.22,0:43:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's like you have seen something,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.58,0:43:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have seen that smoking or drinking \Nalcohol is not good for me
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.30,0:43:57.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it doesn't mean they \Nhave given up straight away.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:57.62,0:44:02.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes a time for you to \Ntrain your perceptions and thoughts.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.100,0:44:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: So it has to be that realization \Nthat there is no self,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:08.51,0:44:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind-of drains the life \Nout of any kind of misbehaviour.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:13.64,0:44:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: It drains the life out of it \Nbut like anything
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.15,0:44:18.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you are draining a tank it \Ntakes a little while for
Dialogue: 0,0:44:18.54,0:44:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the water to come out.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.28,0:44:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at the very very end \Nthere is a little bit of water left.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.46,0:44:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we are cleaning a water tank \Nat Bodhinyana Monastery in Serpentine
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.88,0:44:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes that's what you have to do:\Ndrain the first water:
Dialogue: 0,0:44:30.38,0:44:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,takes those big water tanks sometimes \Na day to drain out.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.01,0:44:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you go in there with a sponge \Nto get that last little bit of water
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.83,0:44:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the dirt in it out. So that's a\Nnice simile. Draining it out. Good.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:49.52,0:44:58.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Ajahn, with the Jhānānāgāmī \Nis that a person doing all four Jhānās
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.37,0:45:01.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or have to be in Arupa-Jhānā\Nwhen they die
Dialogue: 0,0:45:01.53,0:45:06.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to actually go to that Jhānā realm\Nrather than a Deva realm?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.77,0:45:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: It has to be .. actually any Jhānā \Nwould work
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.05,0:45:15.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but obviously the deeper the Jhānā \Nthe faster it would be,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.53,0:45:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more letting go there is.\NSo any Jhānā.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.66,0:45:21.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a really amazing thing
Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.39,0:45:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once you understand what the \NJhānās are you can say
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.80,0:45:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wow that's a very very good point.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.17,0:45:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because in the Jhānās, basically \Nin the Jhānās there is no sense of self,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.90,0:45:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't actually feel or see\Nyou are gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:35.86,0:45:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one of the reasons why
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.87,0:45:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I mentioned this to \Nmonks a few weeks ago
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.16,0:45:46.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in history there were two people,\Ntwo Catholic monks or a monk and a nun,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:46.38,0:45:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I read that it looked like they \Nhave attained the first Jhānā.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.10,0:45:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was Theresa of Avila \Nwho used to levitate
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.72,0:45:56.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and St. John on the Cross.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:56.95,0:45:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just reading some of what they \Nhave said it's very hard
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.36,0:46:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the translation into English,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:01.66,0:46:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't know what they really \Nmeant to say but
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.54,0:46:06.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was an indication they \Nmay have got into the Jhānās.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.67,0:46:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But one of the reasons why \Nthey would get into First Jhānā
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.48,0:46:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is because of their methodology:\Nthey believe in total surrender to their God.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:16.10,0:46:19.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was 100% surrender \Nnot keeping anything back for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:19.57,0:46:25.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were surrendering their will, \Ntheir choice, they were letting-go
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.85,0:46:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the belief - \N"God take over"
Dialogue: 0,0:46:29.14,0:46:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you can see that type of letting go.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:31.77,0:46:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can understand how that would \Nget a person into the First Jhānā.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.38,0:46:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But of course the view they had\Nafterwards, Jhānā would not be enough
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.97,0:46:43.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to break through that view.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.24,0:46:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which they didn't have any other \Nalternative for that
Dialogue: 0,0:46:45.77,0:46:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I can see just how that degree of \Nletting go would go into that
Dialogue: 0,0:46:49.32,0:46:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so when you are in that Jhānā state
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.42,0:46:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no sense of an independent self.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.16,0:46:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would experience that as a\Nunion with God.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:58.19,0:46:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are gone, totally.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.79,0:47:02.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you could understand in the Jhānās\Nthere is no sense of me left.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.91,0:47:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why you can't get into \Nthose states by doing stuff,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:06.10,0:47:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's too much of an ego, \Ntoo much of me, doing stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.08,0:47:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are literally stages of \Nletting go of doing, will,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:14.20,0:47:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's why they are so still.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:15.92,0:47:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the me which creates all that willing.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:18.84,0:47:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why in such a state
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.52,0:47:24.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yes you haven't totally abandoned \Ndesire and ill-will
Dialogue: 0,0:47:24.96,0:47:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you have suppressed it so much
Dialogue: 0,0:47:28.36,0:47:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that when you come out afterwards
Dialogue: 0,0:47:30.33,0:47:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically there is nothing \Nreally to get you reborn.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.99,0:47:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That makes any sense?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:39.62,0:47:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything else?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.87,0:47:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: So really because doing stuff \Nreally just enhances your sense of self?
Dialogue: 0,0:47:49.30,0:47:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Correct
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.47,0:47:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: So that's why \Nit doesn't work.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.03,0:47:55.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Exactly, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:55.19,0:48:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been trying to bang \Nat that point for 30 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:01.35,0:48:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes behind you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:05.86,0:48:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: So if the mind punishes \Nitself for things it has done
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.90,0:48:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you get reborn in the lower \Nrealms and same for the higher realms
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.69,0:48:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what if you want to be \Nreborn as a human?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:24.91,0:48:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: As a human, yeah if you \Nwant to be reborn as a human
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.00,0:48:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have enough kamma \Nto be reborn as a human
Dialogue: 0,0:48:30.45,0:48:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's where you end up doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.94,0:48:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The simile is: say you want to \Ngo to Bangladesh, Dhaka
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.13,0:48:45.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you need to have two reasons \Nto end up in Bangladesh
Dialogue: 0,0:48:45.06,0:48:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number one you want to go there,\Nnumber two you got the money and the visa.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:50.83,0:48:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you got those two things \Nthen you end up there.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:53.95,0:48:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you don't want to go there
Dialogue: 0,0:48:56.33,0:48:58.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may have the money and the visa \Nbut you don't want to go there
Dialogue: 0,0:48:58.87,0:49:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course you don't end up there.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:00.70,0:49:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You want to go there but you \Ncan't afford it
Dialogue: 0,0:49:02.87,0:49:04.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you don't end up there.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.54,0:49:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the wanting and the kammic wherewithal
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.57,0:49:15.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those two come together and \Nthat means you get reborn there.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.59,0:49:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.\NSo you got another one, okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:20.27,0:49:23.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Questions: I suppose you have to \Ndelete the sense of achievement as well?
Dialogue: 0,0:49:23.59,0:49:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Exactly, these are not..\NAjahn Chah kept on saying this so many times:
Dialogue: 0,0:49:29.12,0:49:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we meditate to let go \Nnot to attain.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:33.30,0:49:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not achieving things but to \Nabandon things.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.51,0:49:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why anyone who understands \Nthis stuff never think it's an achievement:
Dialogue: 0,0:49:41.80,0:49:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I am a stream-winner, look at me \NI am a stream-winner"
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.12,0:49:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I am much better than you riff-raff"
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.60,0:49:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's called spiritual materialism \Nwhich is very gross
Dialogue: 0,0:49:54.15,0:49:57.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and know why people do that..\Nbecause they don't really understand
Dialogue: 0,0:49:57.04,0:50:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's going on. These are stages\Nof letting go, of disappearing.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:02.89,0:50:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you Ajahn Brahmali because that book \Nthe Art of Disappearing
Dialogue: 0,0:50:07.47,0:50:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is one of my favourites,\Nsome of my talks are in there,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:10.58,0:50:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he chose the title "The Art of Disappearing".\NI thought wow that's a brilliant title
Dialogue: 0,0:50:16.70,0:50:21.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's what meditation,\Nthat's what the path is: disappearing,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:21.09,0:50:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vanishing. That's why when I wrote\Nthe introduction, the preface,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.98,0:50:32.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I said this is about losing things,\Nnot about gaining things, not attainments.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:32.49,0:50:36.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at the very end I said\N"May you all get lost!"
Dialogue: 0,0:50:36.77,0:50:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ajahn Laughs] and that was a \Ncompliment.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:42.29,0:50:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought that the people publishing it\Nwouldn't get it but they got it straight away
Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.21,0:50:51.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they said 'yeah, this is great'.\NSo they didn't delete it.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.45,0:50:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's my wish for each one of you \NMay you all get lost.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:56.54,0:51:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,May you all be losers.\NSpiritual losers, not gainers.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:02.23,0:51:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's using words in a different way \Nwhich makes it funny.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:06.08,0:51:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay so we go to \NFree from All Speculative Views.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:12.07,0:51:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we are still on Right View,\Nthis is why we are on this stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.40,0:51:22.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Then does the Buddha hold \Nany speculative belief at all?"
Dialogue: 0,0:51:22.57,0:51:30.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Speculative belief is stuff like \Nthere are aliens.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.51,0:51:34.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Have you ever seen an alien?\NYou can speculate, "well the universe is
Dialogue: 0,0:51:37.04,0:51:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so big there must be some somewhere."
Dialogue: 0,0:51:38.90,0:51:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe they are siting among us.\NWho knows?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.83,0:51:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So speculative beliefs are things \Nthat people love to think about
Dialogue: 0,0:51:46.95,0:51:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even like the origin of the Universe,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.99,0:51:55.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it all began if it did\Nbegin anywhere: speculation.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:55.97,0:51:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Speculative belief is something \Nthat the Buddha has put away.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:59.65,0:52:01.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the Buddha has seen this:"
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.73,0:52:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Just basic five Khandas,\Njust focusing on message)
Dialogue: 0,0:52:05.79,0:52:09.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Such is form, such its origin, \Nsuch its disappearance;
Dialogue: 0,0:52:09.75,0:52:13.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such is experience, its origin, \Nits disappearance;
Dialogue: 0,0:52:13.05,0:52:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such is perception, its origin, \Nits disappearance;
Dialogue: 0,0:52:16.70,0:52:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such is will, its origin, \Nits disappearance;
Dialogue: 0,0:52:19.75,0:52:23.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such are the consciousnesses, \Nsuch their origin, such their disappearance."
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.93,0:52:25.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just talking about the \Nfive Khandas.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:25.95,0:52:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that none of them are permanent
Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.82,0:52:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they arise because of other things
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.08,0:52:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when other things vanish \Nthey all vanish.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:34.30,0:52:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perception, experience, \Nconsciousness every one of them
Dialogue: 0,0:52:37.61,0:52:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is impermanent, it arises \Nand totally disappears for a while.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:42.89,0:52:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Therefore, I say, with the destruction, \Nfading away, cessation,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:46.44,0:52:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,giving up, relinquishing of all \Nconceptual proliferations"
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.01,0:52:55.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(it's one of the great words,\Npapañca,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.88,0:52:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conceptual proliferations
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.51,0:53:01.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,once we get an idea it \Njust takes off
Dialogue: 0,0:53:01.100,0:53:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like some weeds in your garden,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.14,0:53:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just like some virus in your body
Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.82,0:53:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or some malware in your computer
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.42,0:53:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It affects more and more \Nit expands.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.07,0:53:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what is called \Nconceptual proliferation
Dialogue: 0,0:53:19.23,0:53:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or maybe you should call \Nconceptual viruses
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.76,0:53:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show how they affect,\Nkeep going and going.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.27,0:53:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why we are thinking.\NThere is no end to thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:31.28,0:53:33.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No end to philosophizing.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.07,0:53:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This conceptual proliferation
Dialogue: 0,0:53:35.30,0:53:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put that away, just seeing,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:38.47,0:53:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not thinking about this and \Nworking all out
Dialogue: 0,0:53:40.64,0:53:44.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but seeing the basic five \Ncomponents of existence
Dialogue: 0,0:53:44.21,0:53:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeing there is nothing there.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:47.82,0:53:53.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So with destruction, fading away \Ncessation, giving up and relinquishing
Dialogue: 0,0:53:53.88,0:53:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all conceptual proliferation
Dialogue: 0,0:53:56.54,0:54:02.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all philosophizing \Nall I-making, we make ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:54:02.39,0:54:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make this idea of a self
Dialogue: 0,0:54:04.13,0:54:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mine-making, we construct the \Nidea of possession
Dialogue: 0,0:54:09.62,0:54:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the underlying tendency \Nto assuming a permanent essence.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.16,0:54:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an underlying tendency,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.90,0:54:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have been doing this for such\Na long time it's just a habit.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:21.98,0:54:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Try and make something \Nout of nothing,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:25.86,0:54:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that somewhere, some place \Nthere is a me.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:30.66,0:54:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Buddha is liberated through \Nexhausting the fuel that drives rebirth.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.46,0:54:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like that translation:\NThe fuel that drives rebirth.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:41.67,0:54:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your car has not got no more petrol \Nin its engine anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:45.19,0:54:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can't move.\NCan't get to rebirth anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:49.15,0:54:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that fuel is the view that \Nthere is some person in there,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:54.42,0:55:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some essence, some mind which is \Nnot sort-of impermanent:
Dialogue: 0,0:55:00.18,0:55:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something, some soul, some ground of \Nall beings, something
Dialogue: 0,0:55:05.49,0:55:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it becomes a fuel which \Nmakes you get rebirth, reborn.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:09.18,0:55:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you exhaust all that fuel
Dialogue: 0,0:55:11.58,0:55:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there is no way you can \Nmake an I or a mine anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:16.08,0:55:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why the Buddha
Dialogue: 0,0:55:17.56,0:55:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no speculative views anymore:\Nyou have seen through all of this.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:23.52,0:55:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Three Characteristics of Existence
Dialogue: 0,0:55:28.02,0:55:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Whether Buddhas arise or not, \Nthere persists that law,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.66,0:55:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that stable Dhamma, \Nthat fixed course of the Dhamma:
Dialogue: 0,0:55:35.63,0:55:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All phenomena that arise \Nfrom a cause are impermanent,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.27,0:55:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suffering, and not a \Npermanent essence.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:44.34,0:55:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All phenomena that arise \Nfrom a cause are impermanent."
Dialogue: 0,0:55:46.72,0:55:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words:\Nthey arise from a cause
Dialogue: 0,0:55:48.52,0:55:51.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they must be able to disappear,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:51.28,0:55:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are suffering, and \Nnot a permanent essence.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:53.31,0:55:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The Buddha awakens to this \Nand breaks through to it,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:55.22,0:55:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then explains it, \Nteaches it, proclaims it,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:59.12,0:56:03.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and establish it, discloses it, \Nanalyses it, and elucidates it."
Dialogue: 0,0:56:03.53,0:56:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words that's actually Nicca.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.63,0:56:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not anicca, that is niccha.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.10,0:56:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That law persists
Dialogue: 0,0:56:11.29,0:56:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"And what is it that the wise in the world
Dialogue: 0,0:56:13.24,0:56:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agree upon as not existing,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:14.94,0:56:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of which I too say that \Nit does not exist?
Dialogue: 0,0:56:16.99,0:56:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any form (body) that's permanent, \Nstable, and eternal, not subject to change:
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.71,0:56:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this the wise in the world \Nagree upon as not existing,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:28.30,0:56:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I too say that it does not exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:30.63,0:56:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any experience, Perception, Volition, \Nany type of Consciousness
Dialogue: 0,0:56:34.77,0:56:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's permanent, stable, and eternal, \Nnot subject to change:
Dialogue: 0,0:56:39.23,0:56:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this the wise in the world \Nagree upon as not existing
Dialogue: 0,0:56:41.85,0:56:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I too say that it does not exist."
Dialogue: 0,0:56:45.58,0:56:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It is impossible and inconceivable \Nsaid the Buddha
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.12,0:56:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a person who is enlightened \Nor even on the path to being enlightenment
Dialogue: 0,0:56:54.38,0:56:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could consider any phenomena \Nthat arises from a cause as permanent,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:59.36,0:57:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as pleasurable and as a soul:\Nthere is no such possibility.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.55,0:57:07.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there is a possibility that an\Nunenlightened worldling might
Dialogue: 0,0:57:07.55,0:57:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consider some phenomena that \Narise from a cause as permanent,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:10.23,0:57:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as pleasurable and as a soul:\Nthere is such a possibility."
Dialogue: 0,0:57:14.16,0:57:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is where we make a soul \Nan original being, a ground of all being
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.89,0:57:22.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an essence; anything.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:22.13,0:57:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a tendency of human \Nbeings to do that,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:25.12,0:57:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to find an ultimate \Nretirement home for you.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:31.81,0:57:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Therefore any kind of form whatsoever
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.84,0:57:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any kind of experience whatsoever \Nany kind of perception whatsoever
Dialogue: 0,0:57:44.54,0:57:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any kind of will whatsoever,\Nany kind of consciousness or Citta
Dialogue: 0,0:57:50.34,0:57:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or mind whatsoever\N(those three are synonyms):
Dialogue: 0,0:57:55.70,0:58:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether past, future or present \Nonce own or others, gross or subtle,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:03.25,0:58:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inferior or superior, far or near \Nall forms, all experiences,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:08.58,0:58:11.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all perceptions, all will, all mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:11.68,0:58:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be seen as it really \Nis with correct wisdom thus:
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.44,0:58:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,‘This is not mine, this I am not, \Nthis is not my permanent essence."
Dialogue: 0,0:58:25.56,0:58:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now one of my \Nfavourite quotes,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:29.30,0:58:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is, so sure this is not what the \NBuddha said,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:32.37,0:58:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we put it in here anyway, \Nbecause it's really cool.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:34.98,0:58:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is very famous from \Nthe Visuddhimagga:
Dialogue: 0,0:58:38.00,0:58:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Mere suffering exists, no sufferer is found.\NThe deed is, but no doer of the deed is there."
Dialogue: 0,0:58:49.90,0:58:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you understand this, that's where \Nyou don't need to have any punishment.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:57.45,0:59:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The deed is but not the doer.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.41,0:59:06.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Nibbāna is, but not a person who enters it."
Dialogue: 0,0:59:06.93,0:59:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not a being, not a mind, not you.\NNibbāna everything gone.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:14.92,0:59:21.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And last \N"The path is, but no traveller on it's seen."
Dialogue: 0,0:59:21.62,0:59:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words if you travel the \NEightfold Path you get nowhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.67,0:59:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to disappear
Dialogue: 0,0:59:30.06,0:59:35.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then the path becomes as wide \Nas a 20 lane highway,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:35.56,0:59:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even wider, you can't miss it.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.79,0:59:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you are travelling that path
Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.85,0:59:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you are doing the meditation
Dialogue: 0,0:59:44.79,0:59:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are doing, sort-of whatever,\Nthen the path disappears.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:52.14,0:59:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The path is, but no traveller on it is seen."
Dialogue: 0,0:59:58.30,1:00:02.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nibbāna is but you don't \Nattain it, you don't enter, you can't.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:02.91,1:00:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to disappear and vanish
Dialogue: 0,1:00:06.51,1:00:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the more you vanish, \Nthe closer you get.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:14.21,1:00:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love that.\NAnyway, any questions? Yes.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:26.89,1:00:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: If they have no self, they don't \Ncommit themselves to any punishment
Dialogue: 0,1:00:39.54,1:00:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for what they do. But in the case\Nof Sotāpanna killing another person
Dialogue: 0,1:00:49.89,1:00:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless of whether they create \Nthe hell or not,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.04,1:00:56.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they still got that Kamma to receive \NAren't they?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.83,1:01:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Ah..have they?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.32,1:01:02.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They got some Kamma there.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.19,1:01:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know a stream-winner or a \Nonce-returner or something
Dialogue: 0,1:01:05.56,1:01:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kills somebody - they go to jail.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:08.00,1:01:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes you can't use it as a legal \Ndefense in Australia - that it say
Dialogue: 0,1:01:12.81,1:01:17.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Suttas that such \Nstream-winners are not subject to
Dialogue: 0,1:01:17.24,1:01:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such punishments. That doesn't work\Nin the jury trial or judge trial.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:25.00,1:01:29.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But no, there is some consequences \Nthere but those consequences
Dialogue: 0,1:01:29.39,1:01:34.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't arise in a future life.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:34.07,1:01:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angulimala - apparently people threw\Nstones at him and scolded him.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:40.01,1:01:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he did get some suffering \Nas a result of what he did
Dialogue: 0,1:01:45.38,1:01:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but no future life suffering.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:50.54,1:01:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you are not punishing yourself.\NOther people punish you, but not you.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:56.20,1:01:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: So could the \NSotāpanna then reborn
Dialogue: 0,1:01:59.93,1:02:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the first life of seven or six lives,\Nreborn into an unsatisfactory life
Dialogue: 0,1:02:07.38,1:02:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for some period of time \Nfor that kamma?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.42,1:02:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Not at all. The reason is \Nbecause no one sends you to
Dialogue: 0,1:02:13.87,1:02:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your next destination.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:16.14,1:02:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You send yourself there.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:18.33,1:02:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You choose literally\Nwhere you are going next.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:23.17,1:02:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But sometimes we do make \Nstupid choices because we are not wise.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:27.68,1:02:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because people feel they \Ndeserve to be punished.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:30.41,1:02:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in this life, ask any psychologist:
Dialogue: 0,1:02:33.26,1:02:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who have a strong sense of guilt
Dialogue: 0,1:02:35.55,1:02:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will actually deny themselves \Nhappiness or success.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:40.69,1:02:45.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: But doesn't the Kamma \Nactually pull the Sotāpanna to that...
Dialogue: 0,1:02:45.11,1:02:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn-: No no, Kamma is very personal.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:47.16,1:02:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are the owner of your kamma\Nin many ways.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:53.75,1:03:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ok... yes, go on..
Dialogue: 0,1:03:00.07,1:03:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: What exactly is \Nmeant by consciousnesses?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:03.82,1:03:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Consciousnesses, \NI added a plural there
Dialogue: 0,1:03:09.27,1:03:13.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is translating\Naccording to the definition.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:13.100,1:03:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whenever the Buddha ever uses the word viññāna \NHe says there are six types of viññāna:
Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.99,1:03:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch\Nand knowing - the mind, the citta.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:27.84,1:03:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the six consciousnesses.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:31.67,1:03:37.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I used that plural because it \Nmakes the word much more powerful.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:37.91,1:03:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is not me changing Buddhism,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:40.98,1:03:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is using a word and translating it \Naccording to its meaning.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:47.07,1:03:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Six different types and that changes \Nthe whole ball game.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:50.18,1:03:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not consciousness because \Nso often people think:
Dialogue: 0,1:03:52.06,1:03:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"that's me, that's my essence".
Dialogue: 0,1:03:53.74,1:03:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are six different types of them:\N"which one is you?" said the Buddha.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:58.79,1:04:03.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you find out when there\Nis one there, the others are gone.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:03.01,1:04:05.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They arise according to causes:
Dialogue: 0,1:04:05.65,1:04:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consciousness, that sixth consciousness:\Nmind, its synonym is citta,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:11.22,1:04:18.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mind, each one of these \Nconsciousnesses arises because of a cause.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:18.65,1:04:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When that cause disappears, \Nthe citta vanishes.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:21.71,1:04:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the third Satipatṭhāna:
Dialogue: 0,1:04:24.50,1:04:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see the rise and the fall \Nof the citta.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:27.33,1:04:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rise and fall means, gone, disappear,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:30.46,1:04:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it cannot be a permanent thing
Dialogue: 0,1:04:33.55,1:04:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what I just read out here,\Nall types of consciousnesses
Dialogue: 0,1:04:37.18,1:04:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which includes all types of citta
Dialogue: 0,1:04:40.20,1:04:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be seen, past, future or present \None's own or others', gross or subtle,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:45.54,1:04:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inferior or superior, far or near,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:48.68,1:04:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all consciousnesses which includes \Nall mind, all citta,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:53.63,1:04:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be seen as it truly is:\Nnot me, not mine, not a self.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:59.71,1:05:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's just the requirement for \Nbeing an Ariya, for being a stream-winner.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:06.49,1:05:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without that you are not a \Nstream-winner.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.26,1:05:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: Sorry Ajahn, because John \Nwas saying, doesn't Kamma cause a self,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:19.83,1:05:24.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it just occured to me that the \Nself, the sense of self is a bit
Dialogue: 0,1:05:24.63,1:05:28.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a black hole exerting \Nhuge power
Dialogue: 0,1:05:28.38,1:05:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's creating everything \Nincluding hell realms and
Dialogue: 0,1:05:32.02,1:05:37.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything you can think of and without\Na self everything just melts away.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:37.02,1:05:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Isn't that an attraction?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:38.96,1:05:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Yes indeed, that's the \Nwhole point of this,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:42.25,1:05:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have you melt away.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:44.26,1:05:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole point of this Sue\Nis to get rid of you.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:48.66,1:05:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get rid of Sue, the \Nsense of self, the sense of me.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:52.29,1:05:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's to lose things not to\Ngain things.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:55.73,1:06:00.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not to enhance yourself \Nby being called a saint,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:00.70,1:06:04.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"just look how great I am".
Dialogue: 0,1:06:04.46,1:06:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay over there.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:09.38,1:06:16.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question: What is being reborn? \NIs that some form of energy that's being
Dialogue: 0,1:06:16.20,1:06:18.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discharged into the air at the time of
Dialogue: 0,1:06:18.55,1:06:25.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: No it's not energy, there is nothing \Ncontinuing from one moment to another.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:25.18,1:06:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's cause and effect.\NWe are going to go into
Dialogue: 0,1:06:27.94,1:06:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in a few moments because...\NI was just scrolling down,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:32.06,1:06:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've got dependent origination coming \Nsoon which is how the Buddha would
Dialogue: 0,1:06:35.10,1:06:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answer your question.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:36.91,1:06:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we would just go on a bit further \Nhere because time is running out.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:41.48,1:06:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay what do we got here?
Dialogue: 0,1:06:48.65,1:06:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh this is Yamaka\NSutta Nipata 44 after the 'traveller on it's seen...'
Dialogue: 0,1:06:55.75,1:07:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"it is those who do not understand \Nform as it really is …
Dialogue: 0,1:07:04.85,1:07:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who do not know and see its origin, \Nits cessation,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:09.81,1:07:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the way leading to its \Ncessation
Dialogue: 0,1:07:11.94,1:07:16.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that think: ‘An Enlightened One (Arahant) \Nexists after death,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:16.48,1:07:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or does not exist after death,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:18.18,1:07:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or both exists and \Ndoes not exist after death,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:20.49,1:07:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or neither exists nor \Ndoes not exist after death.’’
Dialogue: 0,1:07:23.79,1:07:26.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It's those who do not see experience, \Nas it really is
Dialogue: 0,1:07:26.69,1:07:29.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who do not know and see perception, \Nas it really is
Dialogue: 0,1:07:29.28,1:07:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who do not know and see will\Nas it really is
Dialogue: 0,1:07:33.12,1:07:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who do not know and see the \Nconsciousnesses
Dialogue: 0,1:07:36.76,1:07:38.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(including mind, including citta)\Nas they really are,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:38.90,1:07:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do not know and see their origin,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:41.13,1:07:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their cessation, and the way \Nleading to their cessation,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:44.44,1:07:47.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are the people who think \Nan Arahant or an Enlightened One
Dialogue: 0,1:07:47.100,1:07:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exists after death, \Nor does not exist after death
Dialogue: 0,1:07:51.93,1:07:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or both exists and does not \Nexist after death,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:53.99,1:07:59.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or neither exists nor does not \Nexist after death."
Dialogue: 0,1:07:59.100,1:08:03.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one of the questions:\Nwhat happens to an Arahant after they die?
Dialogue: 0,1:08:03.99,1:08:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is the beginning of one of\Nthe best answers, clearest answers.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:09.21,1:08:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"One who knows and sees the \Nfive components of existence
Dialogue: 0,1:08:12.56,1:08:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the five khandas as they really are
Dialogue: 0,1:08:14.96,1:08:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who knows and sees where they come\Nfrom, their origin according to causes
Dialogue: 0,1:08:19.19,1:08:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their cessation causes\Nstop, these things vanish
Dialogue: 0,1:08:22.99,1:08:24.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the way leading to \Ntheir cessation
Dialogue: 0,1:08:24.62,1:08:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they do not think \Neither of these possibilities.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:28.79,1:08:30.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They don't even think
Dialogue: 0,1:08:30.12,1:08:32.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an Enlightened One exists \Nafter death or does not exist after death
Dialogue: 0,1:08:32.66,1:08:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or both exists and does not exist \Nafter death,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:35.54,1:08:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or neither exists nor \Ndoes not exist after death."
Dialogue: 0,1:08:39.87,1:08:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is a really beautiful Sutta
Dialogue: 0,1:08:43.50,1:08:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"What do you think.." this is in the\NSaṃyutta Nikāya, the Khandha Saṃyutta.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:47.67,1:08:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“What do you think, Yamaka”,\Nasks Sariputta,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.72,1:08:56.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,“Do you regard the body, experience, \Nperception, will or consciousnesses
Dialogue: 0,1:08:56.47,1:08:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an Enlightened One?”
Dialogue: 0,1:08:58.85,1:09:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, Venerable.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:00.24,1:09:05.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you regard an Enlightened One \Nas in the body, as in experience,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:05.58,1:09:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in perception, as in will or \Nas in consciousness,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:10.05,1:09:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somehow contained in \Nthese five khandas?"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:12.85,1:09:14.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No Venerable."
Dialogue: 0,1:09:14.43,1:09:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do you regard an Enlightened One \Nas apart from the body, something separate,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:19.02,1:09:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as apart from experience, \Nas apart from perception,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:21.66,1:09:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as apart from will,\Nas apart from consciousnesses?"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.72,1:09:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like apart from the mind,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:28.05,1:09:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apart from the five khandas.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:30.49,1:09:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Is the Enlightened One \Nsomething separate from the five khandas?"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:34.32,1:09:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No Venerable."
Dialogue: 0,1:09:36.38,1:09:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do you regard the body, experience,\Nperception, will and consciousness,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:39.76,1:09:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all taken together,\Nas an Enlightened One?"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:42.32,1:09:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No Venerable"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:44.16,1:09:47.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Do you take an Enlightened One \Nas one who is without a body,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:47.02,1:09:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without experience, without perception,\Nwithout a will, without any consciousnesses?"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:51.62,1:09:53.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No Venerable"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:53.22,1:10:00.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"But, Yamaka, when an Enlightened One\Nespecially the Buddha, right in front of you,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:00.24,1:10:02.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when an Enlightened One \Nis not apprehended by you
Dialogue: 0,1:10:02.43,1:10:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as real and actual here \Nin this very life,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:07.01,1:10:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is it fitting for you to declare that an \NEnlightened One is annihilated and perishes
Dialogue: 0,1:10:11.82,1:10:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the break-up of the body \Nand does not exist after death?"
Dialogue: 0,1:10:15.49,1:10:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not annihilated. There is \Nnothing here now.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:19.26,1:10:22.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just a process, here and now.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:22.84,1:10:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can't see anything there,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:25.12,1:10:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any essence,\Nany enlightened essence there,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:29.79,1:10:33.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either as any one of those five khandas
Dialogue: 0,1:10:33.07,1:10:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as in those five khandas,\Nas apart from those five khandas,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:37.08,1:10:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as five khandas taken together.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:41.16,1:10:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"So, Yamaka, if they were to ask you \Nwhat happens to an Enlightened One
Dialogue: 0,1:10:47.26,1:10:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the break-up of their body,\Nafter death..
Dialogue: 0,1:10:49.85,1:10:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What happens to an Arahant \Nwhen they die?"
Dialogue: 0,1:10:54.62,1:10:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I would answer that the \Nbody is impermanent;
Dialogue: 0,1:10:57.02,1:10:58.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is impermanent is suffering,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:58.49,1:11:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is suffering has \Nceased and passed away.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:00.53,1:11:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:01.54,1:11:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Experience is impermanent; \Nwhat is impermanent is suffering,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:04.18,1:11:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is suffering has ceased \Nand passed away.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:06.42,1:11:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perception is impermanent; \Nwhat is impermanent is suffering,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:12.71,1:11:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is suffering has ceased \Nand passed away.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:15.05,1:11:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will is impermanent; \Nwhat is impermanent is suffering,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:17.86,1:11:20.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is suffering has ceased \Nand passed away.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:20.24,1:11:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Consciousnesses; each one of them \Nlike citta, like the mind, is impermanent;
Dialogue: 0,1:11:26.24,1:11:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is impermanent is suffering;\Nwhat is suffering has ceased and passed away."
Dialogue: 0,1:11:30.58,1:11:34.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The process has just stopped.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:34.15,1:11:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing being enlightened,\NNothing has been annihilated, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:37.82,1:11:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just a process - stopped.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:40.17,1:11:46.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Good, Yamaka. Good!"\Nsays Sariputta.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:46.49,1:11:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one of the most powerful \Nteachings of the fact about
Dialogue: 0,1:11:51.73,1:11:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when people say 'is there \Nsomething outside the five khandas,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:54.93,1:11:57.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,outside the five components of existence
Dialogue: 0,1:11:57.61,1:12:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you can take to be \Nyour essential self.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:01.21,1:12:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very clear.\NThe answer of course is no.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:05.49,1:12:08.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Buddha who is very very \Nclever, smart
Dialogue: 0,1:12:08.43,1:12:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cut off all possible angles of escape.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:13.50,1:12:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People always like to find out \Na little hole where they can exist.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:17.00,1:12:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fortunately the Buddha was \Ntoo smart for you.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:19.72,1:12:24.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If there is the view, \N‘The soul and the body are the same,’
Dialogue: 0,1:12:24.52,1:12:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no living of the holy life"
Dialogue: 0,1:12:27.98,1:12:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason is because once you die \Nthe soul dies anyway
Dialogue: 0,1:12:30.62,1:12:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what's the point of this?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:32.68,1:12:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"If there is the view, ‘The soul is\None thing, the body is another,’
Dialogue: 0,1:12:36.00,1:12:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no living of the holy life"
Dialogue: 0,1:12:37.93,1:12:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it doesn't matter \Nwhat you do
Dialogue: 0,1:12:39.44,1:12:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the soul is just independent of you.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:41.95,1:12:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Without veering towards either \Nof these extremes,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:43.96,1:12:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Buddha teaches the Dhamma \Nby the middle:
Dialogue: 0,1:12:46.08,1:12:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dependent Origination and \NDependent Cessation."
Dialogue: 0,1:12:49.54,1:12:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember once reading the Bhagavad Gita\Nas a young student
Dialogue: 0,1:12:54.76,1:12:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there I think it was Krishna \Ntalking to Arjuna
Dialogue: 0,1:12:58.76,1:13:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Arjuna was not wanting to go \Ninto battle to fight
Dialogue: 0,1:13:01.69,1:13:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's going to kill people\Nand Krishna was saying
Dialogue: 0,1:13:04.84,1:13:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'you are not killing anybody,\Njust killing bodies that's all'.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:08.34,1:13:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No soul, the soul is totally independent,\Nyou can't stop a soul with a sword.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:14.51,1:13:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you know, that actually put me off \NHinduism because there is no real
Dialogue: 0,1:13:19.35,1:13:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'you can't really kill anybody'\Nbecause the soul is indestructible
Dialogue: 0,1:13:24.27,1:13:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that didn't make \Nany sense to me.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:26.83,1:13:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's not really putting down Hinduism
Dialogue: 0,1:13:29.03,1:13:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that's only one \Ntiny part of it
Dialogue: 0,1:13:31.01,1:13:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I remember that as something \NI couldn't ever accept.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:33.84,1:13:37.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the soul is totally independent \Nof the body no matter what you do
Dialogue: 0,1:13:37.81,1:13:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't kill a soul or harm it\Nor hurt it - it's independent.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:42.38,1:13:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is no holy life \Nthe Buddha is saying here.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:45.74,1:13:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if the soul is one thing, \Nthe body is another;
Dialogue: 0,1:13:48.50,1:13:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or if the soul and the body \Nare the same
Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.21,1:13:53.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no living of the holy life.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:53.100,1:13:57.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not veering to either of those \Nextremes, the third way,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:57.06,1:13:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Buddha teaches the Dhamma \Nby the middle,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:59.02,1:14:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dependent Origination and \NDependent Cessation.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:02.03,1:14:08.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is another definition \Nof the right view:
Dialogue: 0,1:14:08.09,1:14:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"One who sees dependent origination \Nand cessation sees the Dhamma;
Dialogue: 0,1:14:11.65,1:14:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one who sees the Dhamma \Nsees dependent origination."
Dialogue: 0,1:14:16.18,1:14:20.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not just\Nyou can't say sort-of seeing non-self
Dialogue: 0,1:14:20.99,1:14:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what is it that we take to be \Nthis self,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:24.90,1:14:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this is where dependent \Norigination comes in.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:27.67,1:14:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this of course answers your \Nquestion about how rebirth can happen.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:33.48,1:14:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing getting reborn, not energy\Nbut Cause and Effect.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:40.06,1:14:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"With delusion as a cause, \Nvolition comes to be"
Dialogue: 0,1:14:43.59,1:14:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially the delusion of me.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:46.28,1:14:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As long as there is a me \Nthen I do stuff.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:50.56,1:14:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you disappear \Nyour will goes,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:53.98,1:14:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because your will, the doer, \Nvolition
Dialogue: 0,1:14:57.34,1:15:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is just a sign of a "me";\Nthere is always a "me" behind it.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:04.20,1:15:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"with volition as cause comes the \Nconsciousnesses"
Dialogue: 0,1:15:09.08,1:15:14.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this always has to be \Nin your future life
Dialogue: 0,1:15:14.74,1:15:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"with consciousness as the cause, \Nthe objects of consciousnesses come"
Dialogue: 0,1:15:18.98,1:15:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the sheaves of reeds simile:
Dialogue: 0,1:15:22.56,1:15:28.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that farmers in the old days \Nwould dry the reeds or the hay,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:28.68,1:15:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would make a sheaf,\Ntwo sheaves of hay
Dialogue: 0,1:15:31.72,1:15:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lean them up against each other.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:33.50,1:15:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You take one away,\Nthe other one falls down.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:35.93,1:15:40.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So objects of consciousness and \Nconsciousness -they have to come together.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:40.31,1:15:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there are no objects of consciousnesses\Nconsciousness vanishes.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:44.17,1:15:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there are no objects of the mind \Ncitta vanishes, disappears.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:47.67,1:15:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's in the Nidāna Saṃyutta.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:51.40,1:15:55.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"with name-and-form as the cause,\Nthe objects: you get the six sense bases;
Dialogue: 0,1:15:55.87,1:15:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the six sense bases, \Nsensory contact;
Dialogue: 0,1:15:58.13,1:16:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with sensory contact as cause, \Nexperience"
Dialogue: 0,1:16:00.54,1:16:05.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now this is not the sense of A leads to B\Nand a few seconds later then C.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:05.95,1:16:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These things always have to\Nbe there together.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:10.52,1:16:13.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and with experience as a cause \Nwanting,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:13.42,1:16:18.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with wanting causes the fuel,\Nthe Upādāna,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:18.47,1:16:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with fuel as a cause \Nstates of existence"
Dialogue: 0,1:16:21.07,1:16:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I mentioned, you create these
Dialogue: 0,1:16:23.17,1:16:25.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with some place to go to:\Nyou cause rebirth
Dialogue: 0,1:16:25.47,1:16:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"and with rebirth as a cause \Nageing and death, sorrow, crying, pain,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:29.17,1:16:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unhappiness, and distress come to be.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:31.13,1:16:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Such is the origin of this whole \Nmass of suffering."
Dialogue: 0,1:16:34.57,1:16:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No God, no Brahma can be called \Nthe maker of life;
Dialogue: 0,1:16:38.47,1:16:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,empty phenomena roll on, \Ndependent on conditions all."
Dialogue: 0,1:16:44.42,1:16:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Rolling on:\Ncause and effect,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:47.07,1:16:50.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,empty conditions,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:50.47,1:16:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no being, no energy,\Nnothing there, empty conditions.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:56.23,1:16:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"But when a meditator has\Nabandoned delusion
Dialogue: 0,1:16:59.64,1:17:01.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and aroused true knowledge
Dialogue: 0,1:17:01.34,1:17:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then with the fading away of delusion \Nand the arising of true knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:05.32,1:17:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you do not generate a \Nmeritorious volition,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:08.07,1:17:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a demeritorious volition,\Nnot even a neutral volition."
Dialogue: 0,1:17:12.86,1:17:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't generate anything because \Nthere is no one there to do the generation.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:17.36,1:17:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the arising of true knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:20.00,1:17:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I have heard that \Nsome people say
Dialogue: 0,1:17:22.56,1:17:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"ah dependent origination: it cuts at \Nthe gap between this and that",
Dialogue: 0,1:17:27.18,1:17:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's so much ko mayan.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:28.74,1:17:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Remember the word ko mayan?
Dialogue: 0,1:17:32.03,1:17:37.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ko is the bull; mayan is what comes \Nout from the back end of a bull.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:37.05,1:17:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Buddha never says that.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:39.88,1:17:44.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's always delusion;\Nwhen that's abandoned
Dialogue: 0,1:17:44.12,1:17:48.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's when this\Ncausal sequence gets stopped.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:48.93,1:17:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"With the remainderless fading away \Nand cessation of delusion
Dialogue: 0,1:17:51.04,1:17:54.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes the cessation of will"\NWoo hoo that's powerful.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:54.59,1:17:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you realise there is \Nno one there
Dialogue: 0,1:17:57.02,1:18:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then actually you can stop the will.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:00.50,1:18:04.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beforehand you suppress the will
Dialogue: 0,1:18:04.55,1:18:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when you see there is no one there
Dialogue: 0,1:18:07.20,1:18:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three is nothing to do the \Nwilling anymore.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:10.08,1:18:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one of the reasons why a \Nstream-winner
Dialogue: 0,1:18:11.92,1:18:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can't get reborn that many times.\NThe will is gone.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:17.59,1:18:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"with the cessation of will, cessation of \Nconsciousnesses" (in your next life)
Dialogue: 0,1:18:21.75,1:18:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing to get you reborn.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:24.53,1:18:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"with the cessation of consciousnesses,\Nthe objects of consciousness disappear..
Dialogue: 0,1:18:28.26,1:18:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sense bases..sensory contact..experience..\Nwanting..fuel..states of existence..rebirth"
Dialogue: 0,1:18:35.21,1:18:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The whole thing stops.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:38.66,1:18:41.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"House builder.." \NThis is from the Thera Gatha.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:41.99,1:18:45.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many monks, nuns use this phrase.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:45.09,1:18:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"House builder, you have now been seen.\NYou shall build no houses again.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:51.22,1:18:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your rafters have been broken \Nand your gables all torn.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:54.47,1:19:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thrown off course, the citta will be \Ndestroyed right here."
Dialogue: 0,1:19:01.13,1:19:05.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"without any doubt citta; you \Nshall be destroyed."
Dialogue: 0,1:19:05.51,1:19:12.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the mind; the House builder.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:12.15,1:19:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you have seen that,\Nit's not who you are,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:17.91,1:19:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just empty phenomena \Nrolling on: your mind, the citta.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:23.69,1:19:25.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's in the Thera Gatha.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:25.87,1:19:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"House builder, you have now been seen.\NYou shall build no houses again.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:29.44,1:19:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your rafters have been broken \Nand your gables all torn.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:32.19,1:19:39.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thrown off course, the Citta will be \Ndestroyed right here" -- Thera Gatha.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:39.32,1:19:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was your house builder.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:43.72,1:19:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No more rebirth - phew.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:47.82,1:19:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay that actually comes to \Na nice stop.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:51.31,1:19:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the end with a \Nreally big bang of Right View
Dialogue: 0,1:19:55.70,1:19:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to the Word of the Buddha.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:59.72,1:20:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay looks like we got some \Nquestions from overseas.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:02.01,1:20:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let's deal with those before \NI ask any more questions from here.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:08.72,1:20:10.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here we go.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:10.89,1:20:16.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From Malaysia: "Dear Ajahn, is there any \Ndistinction between making merit and Kamma?"
Dialogue: 0,1:20:16.79,1:20:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Kamma includes making merit \Nand making bad kamma as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:21.50,1:20:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So kamma, you can make good merit.\NYou can make..never heard the word "bad-merit".
Dialogue: 0,1:20:31.50,1:20:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Making merit's like good kamma.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:34.12,1:20:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So good kamma is merit and \Nbad kamma is demerit ... ok thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:42.96,1:20:48.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have over here, you have \Ndemerits when you have long week-ends.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:48.26,1:20:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You get double demerits.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:51.12,1:20:56.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically kamma is just how \Nmerits and demerits are made.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:56.81,1:21:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From Santa Barbara: "Is there a way to \Nget rid of the results of the bad kamma
Dialogue: 0,1:21:02.06,1:21:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with education and understanding \Nor is suffering necessary?"
Dialogue: 0,1:21:06.13,1:21:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a bit of faith you can lessen the \Nresults of bad kamma.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:10.54,1:21:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't like to say this but
Dialogue: 0,1:21:12.92,1:21:15.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Buddha said this so\Nhave to admit
Dialogue: 0,1:21:15.08,1:21:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the other way of overcoming \Nbad kamma is
Dialogue: 0,1:21:17.22,1:21:22.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not overcoming it but diluting it.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:22.51,1:21:24.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason I don't like \Nsaying this is because
Dialogue: 0,1:21:24.48,1:21:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many monks and places use it..\Nas a great way to raise funds..
Dialogue: 0,1:21:30.89,1:21:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes monks and monasteries \Nget too rich,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:34.82,1:21:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially that one in Thailand which \Nis being shut down now at last.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:39.01,1:21:43.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But yes the Buddha said \Nin the simile of salt:
Dialogue: 0,1:21:43.39,1:21:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you take a table full of salt \Nand you put it in my glass of water
Dialogue: 0,1:21:47.62,1:21:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you stir it up, it means you\Ncan't drink the whole glass. It's so salty.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:52.64,1:21:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you put it in a rainwater tank\Nof thousand liters and you stir it up
Dialogue: 0,1:21:59.48,1:22:01.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you drink that water, \Nyou can hardly taste it
Dialogue: 0,1:22:01.77,1:22:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it really dilutes.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:03.86,1:22:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Buddha said it's the same \Nwith bad Kamma.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:08.00,1:22:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you got a certain amount of bad kamma\Nand you only got a little bit of good kamma
Dialogue: 0,1:22:12.30,1:22:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are going to really taste \Nthat bad kamma.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:15.77,1:22:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if you dilute it by making lots of \Ngood kamma
Dialogue: 0,1:22:20.72,1:22:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you won't even taste it.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:23.54,1:22:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So unscrupulous monks they\Ndo some bad kamma.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:25.99,1:22:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"well I think that's like a thousand \Ndollars to the nuns' monastery
Dialogue: 0,1:22:30.04,1:22:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that will probably dilute it"
Dialogue: 0,1:22:33.46,1:22:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It just opens the door to really \Nunscrupulous practices.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:37.48,1:22:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why let's\Ndo good kamma anyway.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:41.01,1:22:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not just to abandon the bad kamma.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:43.94,1:22:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people do that:\Nthey sort-of go out on a Saturday night
Dialogue: 0,1:22:47.42,1:22:51.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they come to the temple on \NSunday morning to dilute the bad kamma
Dialogue: 0,1:22:51.32,1:22:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they did on Saturday night.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:54.25,1:22:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's really just a bit unscrupulous.\NBut it's true.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:58.80,1:23:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cannot get rid but dilute the results of\Nbad kamma by doing a lot of good kamma.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:04.27,1:23:08.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the best way is actually \Nto become a Stream-winner.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:08.100,1:23:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And lastly from Penang: "Can a person\Nknow for sure he or she is a Sotāpanna?"
Dialogue: 0,1:23:14.51,1:23:17.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a wonderful question.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:17.03,1:23:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a lot of people you can\Nknow a person is not a Stream-winner
Dialogue: 0,1:23:22.68,1:23:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't know if a person is.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:25.21,1:23:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you... so many people get deluded.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:29.03,1:23:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They want to be a Stream-winner or \NOnce-returner or Non-returner so much
Dialogue: 0,1:23:33.89,1:23:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they just delude themselves.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:36.53,1:23:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The desire, the craving, is one of the \Nfive hindrances.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:40.20,1:23:42.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means they don't see things\Nthat clearly.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:42.79,1:23:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The monks know this story.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:44.51,1:23:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to see this great monk \NAjahn Thate many years ago
Dialogue: 0,1:23:48.61,1:23:54.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and had to wait in line and as I was\Nwaiting he was taking to this other
Dialogue: 0,1:23:54.61,1:23:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indonesian girl, very very wealthy,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:56.69,1:24:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she was talking about \Nher meditation.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:00.55,1:24:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She said, I was meditating
Dialogue: 0,1:24:02.49,1:24:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you know my mind went so still,\Nwent blank, things disappeared,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:05.26,1:24:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was Fourth Jhana wasn't it?
Dialogue: 0,1:24:07.25,1:24:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then Ajahn Thate said,\Nno it wasn't, you were just sleepy.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:13.37,1:24:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then she said you know \Nthis is what happened first of all
Dialogue: 0,1:24:15.98,1:24:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then it was.. Fourth Jhana \Nwasn't it? she asked again.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:18.93,1:24:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, no, no.\NAnd then she asked again/
Dialogue: 0,1:24:21.87,1:24:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She asked about \Nfour or five times.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:23.61,1:24:26.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"It was Fourth Jhana wasn't it?"\N"No, no, no, no"
Dialogue: 0,1:24:26.39,1:24:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was listening to this.\NShe asked again
Dialogue: 0,1:24:29.33,1:24:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he said "Urhh.."
Dialogue: 0,1:24:30.75,1:24:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she smiled and went out
Dialogue: 0,1:24:33.34,1:24:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she told everybody afterwards\N"my Jhāna has been confirmed"
Dialogue: 0,1:24:38.57,1:24:44.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn Thate said "Urhh..."\Nand that means yes, it's true.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:44.15,1:24:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I saw that.\NThis is one of the problems,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:47.78,1:24:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people want these things so much
Dialogue: 0,1:24:50.82,1:24:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they want it confirmed by \Nsomebody else
Dialogue: 0,1:24:54.42,1:24:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even in this one Sutta \Nwhere Ananda asked the Buddha
Dialogue: 0,1:24:59.59,1:25:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"All these people who come up \Nto you, the greatest teacher
Dialogue: 0,1:25:02.99,1:25:05.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they have faith in
Dialogue: 0,1:25:05.22,1:25:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they claim to be Stream-winners \NOnce-returners, Non-returners, Arahants.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:09.87,1:25:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are all those attainment real, true?
Dialogue: 0,1:25:13.66,1:25:17.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the Buddha said \N"some are, some aren't"
Dialogue: 0,1:25:17.30,1:25:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I read from that even the \NBuddha couldn't convince a person
Dialogue: 0,1:25:20.46,1:25:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are deluded.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:22.94,1:25:26.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's just how powerful these \Ndelusions can be.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:26.09,1:25:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People think they are \Nstream-winners, once-returners,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:28.25,1:25:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even Arahants, and not even the\NBuddha could dislodge them from that.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:32.38,1:25:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The power of the sense of self
Dialogue: 0,1:25:35.31,1:25:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creates, manipulates,\Nand just anything else
Dialogue: 0,1:25:40.21,1:25:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would just push aside.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:42.11,1:25:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No no no I am still a stream-winner.\NI am still a once-returner."
Dialogue: 0,1:25:44.84,1:25:46.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's very dangerous
Dialogue: 0,1:25:46.91,1:25:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is one of the reasons why
Dialogue: 0,1:25:48.98,1:25:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that number one, you don't tell people \Nabout your attainments
Dialogue: 0,1:25:51.95,1:25:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they could be wrong.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:53.85,1:25:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number two - check them out
Dialogue: 0,1:25:56.64,1:26:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From what the Buddha said\Nthis is the only real place
Dialogue: 0,1:26:00.00,1:26:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can actually get some authority.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:02.60,1:26:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not from me,\Nnot from any other monk or nun
Dialogue: 0,1:26:07.17,1:26:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but from this..\Nhow the Buddha taught.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:10.62,1:26:15.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basic thing, a Stream-winner,\Nthey can't have a sense of self.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:15.88,1:26:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's much easier to see if a \Nperson is an Anāgāmī or not
Dialogue: 0,1:26:19.87,1:26:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(a non-returner) because non-returners\Ndon't have any lust or ill-will.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:27.17,1:26:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cannot make a\Nnon-returner angry
Dialogue: 0,1:26:32.60,1:26:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is one of the reasons we \Ntest people.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:36.10,1:26:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If anybody says they are a \Nnon-returner..
Dialogue: 0,1:26:41.25,1:26:44.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mahesha is just laughing over there,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:44.66,1:26:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I told this before Mahesha,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:46.66,1:26:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you say you are an Anāgāmī
Dialogue: 0,1:26:48.09,1:26:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say "No way can a Sri Lankan \NGirl become a non-returner
Dialogue: 0,1:26:53.85,1:27:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's impossible. Maybe in your next\Nlife when you become a boy, then you can"
Dialogue: 0,1:27:01.26,1:27:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know me..I don't believe\Nin that sort-of stuff
Dialogue: 0,1:27:04.13,1:27:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I say that to try and\Nirritate her
Dialogue: 0,1:27:06.80,1:27:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get her upset, find her weak point.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:08.61,1:27:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If she "what you misogynist, I \Nbelieved in you, I thought you
Dialogue: 0,1:27:13.06,1:27:16.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarded everybody equal,\Nyou are a modern monk"
Dialogue: 0,1:27:16.39,1:27:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry you failed the test.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:19.13,1:27:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you find peoples' weak points \Nand try to make them angry.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:23.26,1:27:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they do get angry, yes,\Nthe test is being concluded.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:29.05,1:27:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't mind these days because you\Nshould find these things out yourself.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:33.05,1:27:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A stream-winner, there is a little test
Dialogue: 0,1:27:37.36,1:27:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's in one of the commentaries.\NI had to read this because
Dialogue: 0,1:27:41.10,1:27:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if a monk or a Bhikkhuni say \Nthey are a Stream-winner
Dialogue: 0,1:27:46.16,1:27:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are not, it can be \Nlike a capital offence.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:50.10,1:27:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have to be disrobed
Dialogue: 0,1:27:52.46,1:27:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they know they are lying,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:55.66,1:27:58.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they are just boasting it \Nand they are not.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:58.60,1:28:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So sometimes we have\Nto find out
Dialogue: 0,1:28:01.30,1:28:03.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are they or are they not.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:03.15,1:28:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is a little test,\None of those tests,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:06.81,1:28:10.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two questions you have to ask \Nfor being a Stream Winner is
Dialogue: 0,1:28:10.67,1:28:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when and where did it happen?
Dialogue: 0,1:28:15.52,1:28:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When? \NWhat time of the day?
Dialogue: 0,1:28:19.23,1:28:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where? \NWhat were you doing?
Dialogue: 0,1:28:21.73,1:28:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's an event.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:23.85,1:28:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not something you just \Ngoes on.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:26.68,1:28:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Yeah I have faith in non-self now
Dialogue: 0,1:28:29.75,1:28:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and don't know exactly when \Nthat happened,"
Dialogue: 0,1:28:32.10,1:28:33.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"yeah.. just understand it now."
Dialogue: 0,1:28:33.80,1:28:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an event: stream-winning.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:37.80,1:28:40.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a powerful thing to know.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:40.42,1:28:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I've blown it with you guys now
Dialogue: 0,1:28:43.37,1:28:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you do want to sort-of fake \Nstream-winning
Dialogue: 0,1:28:46.07,1:28:48.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you would say... it happened at \NDhammaloka Centre
Dialogue: 0,1:28:48.87,1:28:52.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when Ajahn Brahm was doing the \NSutta Class.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:52.99,1:28:55.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are other ways to \Nfind that out.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:55.48,1:28:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yeah that's how you can\Nknow it for sure.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:59.11,1:29:01.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When did it happen?\Nwhere did it happen?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:01.18,1:29:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And honestly check it out \Nwith the Suttas,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:02.94,1:29:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is there any idea that there is \Nself which is going to..
Dialogue: 0,1:29:07.23,1:29:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a citta, an essence, anything,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:11.72,1:29:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will survive \Na death of an Arahant.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:16.86,1:29:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay that actually finishes. Good.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:19.34,1:29:20.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to finish it a bit early
Dialogue: 0,1:29:20.73,1:29:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's Full-Moon Day today
Dialogue: 0,1:29:22.07,1:29:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have to go back to the monastery
Dialogue: 0,1:29:24.06,1:29:26.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Patimokkha ceremony and also
Dialogue: 0,1:29:26.42,1:29:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tomorrow morning I am going to Sydney,\Noh, not Sydney, to Canberra.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:30.70,1:29:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But coming up next is the \NSecond Factor
Dialogue: 0,1:29:32.78,1:29:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you can see on the board there
Dialogue: 0,1:29:35.76,1:29:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not Right Intention
Dialogue: 0,1:29:40.26,1:29:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I am calling it \NRight Motivation.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:43.07,1:29:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I am sticking by this\Nas the word Saṅkappa
Dialogue: 0,1:29:47.88,1:29:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's explained \Nor it's translated
Dialogue: 0,1:29:51.87,1:29:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by how it's defined,\Nnot by it's etymology.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:57.24,1:30:00.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In other words you take the word \Nand you split it up
Dialogue: 0,1:30:00.21,1:30:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or see how it's used in other places
Dialogue: 0,1:30:02.73,1:30:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by how it's used in\Nthis particular function
Dialogue: 0,1:30:05.57,1:30:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as being number two in the \NEightfold Path.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:08.62,1:30:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Right Motivation.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:10.60,1:30:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that actually opens up the \NEightfold Path
Dialogue: 0,1:30:12.80,1:30:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a much more interesting \Nunderstanding.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:15.69,1:30:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that will come in a couple of weeks \Nor maybe in four weeks time
Dialogue: 0,1:30:18.72,1:30:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I will be in Hon Kong \Nin two week's time
Dialogue: 0,1:30:23.54,1:30:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is what's coming next.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:25.91,1:30:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now finished with Right View.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:28.74,1:30:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So hope you enjoyed that,
Dialogue: 0,1:30:30.73,1:30:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's put online so if you want to \Ngo over it afterwards
Dialogue: 0,1:30:34.20,1:30:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can recall, get online \Nand listen to it online again
Dialogue: 0,1:30:38.23,1:30:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just get more into it.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:40.52,1:30:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for listening.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:42.54,1:30:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Audience: Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu
Dialogue: 0,1:30:45.33,1:30:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ajahn: Okay we can now\Npay respects to the Buddha