1 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:46,320 Stan Douglas: Hogan's Alley was always thought to be a  place of vice, a place of urban blight, 2 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,500 and so the city council always had it  on their eye for a place to demolish. 3 00:00:54,180 --> 00:00:57,266 [Railroad crossing signal clanging] 4 00:00:57,266 --> 00:01:01,334 [whistling] 5 00:01:01,334 --> 00:01:04,680 [Jazz playing on radio] 6 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,789 It got a reputation as being a Black neighborhood, 7 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,320 even though really it was a mixed Black,  Italian, and Chinese neighborhood, 8 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:15,060 but it got that reputation from all the  Black people that used to hang out here. 9 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:23,280 I'm an artist, and history is one  thing I use to make what I make. 10 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:28,140 That white building is something  called Vie's Chicken Shack, 11 00:01:28,140 --> 00:01:31,740 where a lot of jazz musicians used to  go after playing downtown Vancouver. 12 00:01:33,420 --> 00:01:36,300 They weren't allowed to drink  in the clubs where they played, 13 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:38,400 so they'd come here to have chicken and to party. 14 00:01:39,041 --> 00:01:41,156 [Jazz playing] 15 00:01:41,156 --> 00:01:42,405 [Man] Hey, Roy. 16 00:01:42,405 --> 00:01:43,432 [Roy] How do, buddy? 17 00:01:43,432 --> 00:01:45,278 [Man] Heh heh heh. You back in town. 18 00:01:45,278 --> 00:01:46,552 [Roy] Just got back last night. 19 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,580 [Stan Douglas] This is a piece of interactive  storytelling you can download to your phone 20 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,400 and actually play like a game. 21 00:01:55,500 --> 00:02:00,300 As best we could, we tried to make a historically  accurate representation based on public record. 22 00:02:02,716 --> 00:02:04,140 Here's the Italian bootlegger. 23 00:02:04,412 --> 00:02:06,412 [Man humming] 24 00:02:06,412 --> 00:02:07,479 [Bell dings] 25 00:02:08,297 --> 00:02:10,592 Here was a Chinese brothel. 26 00:02:10,592 --> 00:02:11,731 [Woman] How much you pay your girls? 27 00:02:11,731 --> 00:02:13,731 [Different woman] Hmm. I'm not hiring. 28 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,940 [Stan Douglas] I make my work so I can see it. 29 00:02:20,220 --> 00:02:25,800 One major function of art is to allow us to  see things we think we know in a different way. 30 00:02:29,558 --> 00:02:35,142 [electronic music] 31 00:02:48,836 --> 00:02:51,098 My first job after high school was as an usher. 32 00:02:51,540 --> 00:02:54,240 My second job after high school was, um, as a DJ. 33 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,540 I was the first guy to play  hip-hop in, um--in Vancouver. 34 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,980 I came to art late in life. I  was more interested in theater. 35 00:03:03,420 --> 00:03:07,980 I realized early on that in Vancouver  these TV shows were being made, 36 00:03:07,980 --> 00:03:09,180 these movies were being made, 37 00:03:10,380 --> 00:03:14,340 so I could use the apparatus of  cinema and TV to make my work. 38 00:03:16,418 --> 00:03:19,523 [ambient music] 39 00:03:24,740 --> 00:03:28,260 [Indistinct chatter] 40 00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:33,780 The last 10 years or so, I've made these sort of  very elaborate, very free remakes of other works. 41 00:03:37,020 --> 00:03:41,520 I was researching the post-War period in Vancouver  and realized from the images I was seeing 42 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,260 that Vancouver's part of this film noir world. 43 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,702 [jazz music] 44 00:03:54,556 --> 00:03:58,456 In "Helen Lawrence," we're seeing two things  simultaneously all the time, 45 00:03:58,456 --> 00:04:03,600 the actors onstage and the cinematic  image of the actors on the scrim. 46 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,316 At first, it's very confusing... 47 00:04:06,316 --> 00:04:07,299 - What's your name? 48 00:04:07,299 --> 00:04:11,465 but eventually,  you learn to watch two things simultaneously. 49 00:04:11,664 --> 00:04:13,803 - If I asked you to do a little something for me, 50 00:04:13,803 --> 00:04:17,460 you think you could do it, no questions asked, on, the, uh, QT? 51 00:04:18,167 --> 00:04:19,695 [Stand Douglas] We made virtual sets. 52 00:04:19,695 --> 00:04:21,761 We built the entire neighborhood of Hogan's Alley. 53 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:24,240 Built two entire floors of the Hotel Vancouver. 54 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,320 - No. Take a walk! 55 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,088 - Come on. Get out of here. 56 00:04:27,331 --> 00:04:30,287 [Stan Douglas] We have the actors on a blue screen stage. 57 00:04:30,928 --> 00:04:34,500 They're being filmed by cameras, and  then because we're in a blue background, 58 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:37,860 that can be taken away digitally  like with the weatherman on TV, 59 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:40,260 and another background can  be inserted behind them. 60 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,660 What is happening is we're making this thing live. 61 00:04:43,345 --> 00:04:46,648 The cast is making a film  in real time every night. 62 00:04:46,648 --> 00:04:47,801 - Please don't spoil my fun. 63 00:04:47,801 --> 00:04:49,649 I haven't had uch lately. 64 00:04:50,224 --> 00:04:51,189 - I think I'll join you. 65 00:04:51,189 --> 00:04:52,772 - You'll probably need a double. 66 00:04:53,148 --> 00:04:56,656 [Stan Douglas] "Helen Lawrence" came from an  epiphany I had about film noir. 67 00:04:57,180 --> 00:05:02,100 Somehow, the behavior of people in film  noir was based on the trauma of war. 68 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:04,980 The tough guys and femme fatales, 69 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:06,420 they're actually desperate. 70 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:08,520 They've done things they're not proud of. 71 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,124 - Spare a cigarette, hon? 72 00:05:10,765 --> 00:05:13,020 [Stan Douglas] Killed people, seen people die around them. 73 00:05:13,734 --> 00:05:15,016 - To help us all out, you... 74 00:05:15,668 --> 00:05:20,000 [Stan Douglas] These themes of trauma, these are things  which I go back to again and again. 75 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,845 I don't know why. 76 00:05:21,845 --> 00:05:25,550 - You know, I think you would have been happy if I never came back. 77 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,220 [Stan Douglas] The fact that we can't  really understand each other, 78 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:32,100 that we're kind of locked inside our brains. 79 00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:35,040 This is something which I  take as a starting point. 80 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:48,240 So behind me is the intersection  of Abbott and Cordova. 81 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,800 That's the setting for my  photograph, "Abbott and Cordova," 82 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,080 but probably just above that "P" where the windows 83 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,260 open is more or less the  vantage point of my image. 84 00:05:59,343 --> 00:06:08,147 [building ambient music] 85 00:06:08,147 --> 00:06:11,340 In the 1960s and early seventies,  there were many hippies in Vancouver, 86 00:06:12,660 --> 00:06:13,980 so they decided to have a festival, 87 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:15,600 and the cops didn't like this. 88 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,700 Often, with these--these works  where I'm staging the photographs, 89 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:22,860 there's obviously documentation of that moment. 90 00:06:23,820 --> 00:06:26,400 These documents do tell a story,  but they're kind of partial. 91 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 What I want to do is to be  able to condense these ideas. 92 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:33,840 We had to build a set. 93 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,020 We needed a lot of light to make that piece. 94 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:41,640 Almost always my works are  allegories of the present, as well. 95 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,560 That event made this  neighborhood what it is today. 96 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,360 After that event happened, the city's  interest in the neighborhood declined. 97 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,660 There was a policy of containing drug use,  vice, and poverty in this neighborhood. 98 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:09,840 My approach to looking at historical events  is that historical events always have within 99 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,700 themselves the possibility of  having been something else. 100 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:20,520 And the tension between different  forces at play should not be forgotten. 101 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:29,340 I often depict minor histories, but I always try  to depict a local symptom of a global condition. 102 00:07:31,918 --> 00:07:41,100 [soft electronic music] 103 00:07:43,819 --> 00:07:48,300 [Peter Courtemanche] So we're working on the soundtrack  for a new video installation piece, 104 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:51,840 and this particular piece has 6 video screens. 105 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,560 [Brodie Smith] And each screen will have a pair  of speakers, so making 8 speakers, 106 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,000 which is what we've set up here. 107 00:07:59,719 --> 00:08:03,900 [Peter Courtemanche] They're just trying to get a sense of how  all the sounds work together in the space. 108 00:08:07,380 --> 00:08:09,180 [Brodie Smith] This one is called "The Secret Agent." 109 00:08:09,180 --> 00:08:10,741 [Door opens] 110 00:08:13,017 --> 00:08:16,140 It's completely different than  anything that we've ever done before. 111 00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:20,460 That will be exciting, but it's  also quite complicated in terms 112 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:22,500 of the logistics of how are we gonna mount this. 113 00:08:23,356 --> 00:08:27,000 - Blow up the Marconi installation at Sesimbra. 114 00:08:27,376 --> 00:08:30,868 [Peter Courtemanche] We'll get a miniature version of it up  and running in Stan's studio for a while. 115 00:08:30,868 --> 00:08:32,640 - What are you supposed to be anyway, 116 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,196 anarchist, desperate communist? 117 00:08:35,334 --> 00:08:36,276 - Anarchist. 118 00:08:36,810 --> 00:08:41,700 [Brodie Smith] It plays back as a computer program, and so then we always run them for extended periods of time 119 00:08:41,700 --> 00:08:44,640 so that we know that they're  stable for an exhibition. 120 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:49,260 [Stan Douglas] "The Secret Agent" was based  on the notion of terrorism, 121 00:08:49,260 --> 00:08:52,980 which we're very concerned about these  days, but it's been around for a long time. 122 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,960 "The Secret Agent" was the first  literary depiction of terrorism, 123 00:08:58,860 --> 00:09:03,480 but it was depicting anarchists who  were active in the late 19th century. 124 00:09:04,077 --> 00:09:06,296 - A man was blown up at Sesimbra this morning. 125 00:09:07,020 --> 00:09:10,380 [Stan Douglas] The terrorists I was looking  at are more based in the 1970s, 126 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,800 so this idea of taking an existing narrative 127 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,740 and restaging it in a way that  reveals some hidden content there 128 00:09:16,740 --> 00:09:18,840 or takes you to a different  context is something that 129 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,320 has been a very huge source of inspiration for me. 130 00:09:24,309 --> 00:09:35,839 [soft electronic music] 131 00:09:52,112 --> 00:09:53,865 - Two of these are backwards. 132 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,558 - One should be backwards, right? 133 00:09:55,691 --> 00:09:57,762 Let's take a look. It may just be a little bit out. 134 00:09:57,762 --> 00:09:58,770 - Yeah, sure. Ok. 135 00:09:59,102 --> 00:10:02,357 - I have nothing special to tell you. You summoned me. 136 00:10:03,468 --> 00:10:06,668 - This one should go a bit more to the right, I think, too. 137 00:10:07,801 --> 00:10:09,197 - Hold that. 138 00:10:11,364 --> 00:10:15,815 [Indistinct chatter] 139 00:10:29,021 --> 00:10:33,417 - Blow up the Marconi installation at Sesimbra. 140 00:10:33,948 --> 00:10:36,859 [Stan Doublas] In "Secret Agent," there are 6 screens playing. 141 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,420 Always at least two are playing simultaneously. 142 00:10:42,420 --> 00:10:44,700 There's more going on than you  can actually pay attention to. 143 00:10:49,380 --> 00:10:53,293 This kind of confusion is part of everyday life  where we're not quite sure what's gonna happen. 144 00:10:53,293 --> 00:10:56,975 - What are you supposed to be anyway, anarchist, desperate communist? 145 00:10:56,975 --> 00:10:59,734 [Stan Douglas] In these works, a kind of parallax happens. 146 00:11:01,535 --> 00:11:03,960 We see stereo vision through parallax. 147 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:08,460 Our left eye and our right eye allow us to see the 148 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:10,140 same subject from slightly  different points of view. 149 00:11:12,834 --> 00:11:15,809 This allows us to take in  the two ideas simultaneously. 150 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,880 So the narrative of "The Secret Agent," 151 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,460 if you think about what that  meant in the 19th century, 152 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,100 think about what that meant in the 1970s, 153 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:30,660 this is a parallax through which we can  view the same story in different ways. 154 00:11:30,660 --> 00:11:33,556 - And when I walk in a crowd, I never let go of this. 155 00:11:34,419 --> 00:11:37,618 A squeeze actuates the detonator. 156 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,140 [Stan Douglas] And these things of course  relate to what we have now. 157 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:44,940 You see in a very real sense  the consequence of terrorism, 158 00:11:46,620 --> 00:11:49,200 of somebody saying to somebody  else, "I'm better than you." 159 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,420 "I know the way you should live so much so  that your life matters less than my act." 160 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,620 A few weeks after it premiered, 161 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:10,020 this terrorist bombing took place in Paris from  people who were based in and around Brussels. 162 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,580 The show was shut down for many  days because of terrorist fears. 163 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:20,760 History does not repeat itself. 164 00:12:22,980 --> 00:12:26,220 Things do come back, symptoms do recur, 165 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:30,120 but they often recur because what caused it  in the first place never actually went away. 166 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,560 In my work, I want to go back to  look at these possibilities of 167 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:36,180 what if did not work out the way it did? 168 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:40,860 So looking forward, looking back, 169 00:12:40,860 --> 00:12:45,060 I always want to consider that the  thing we have is not necessary. 170 00:12:45,060 --> 00:12:47,160 It's not the only way things could possibly be. 171 00:12:51,846 --> 00:12:59,044 [soft electronic music]