WEBVTT 00:00:16.184 --> 00:00:21.560 Who of you was born between the 1980s and the early 2000s? 00:00:22.975 --> 00:00:24.435 Right, most of us ... 00:00:24.803 --> 00:00:27.523 So most of us here, including me, 00:00:27.563 --> 00:00:31.684 are part of the generation of millennials, 00:00:32.644 --> 00:00:34.804 or “generation Y.” 00:00:36.384 --> 00:00:42.244 I suspect this “Y” stands for “'Why' are we so misunderstood?” 00:00:44.313 --> 00:00:45.913 (Laughter) 00:00:45.943 --> 00:00:50.283 A stereotype about the millennials is that we were told at an early age 00:00:50.313 --> 00:00:53.063 that we could be whatever we wanted to be. 00:00:53.795 --> 00:00:56.825 Contrary to our parents' and grandparents' generations, 00:00:56.855 --> 00:00:59.055 we millennials were privileged enough 00:00:59.085 --> 00:01:02.375 not to have to struggle with war, or recession, 00:01:02.405 --> 00:01:05.445 or to have to emigrate in order to find a job. 00:01:05.781 --> 00:01:08.871 No, life was finally relatively stable, 00:01:08.901 --> 00:01:11.921 so we were raised to be high achievers. 00:01:12.301 --> 00:01:14.998 "The sky is the limit. 00:01:15.028 --> 00:01:17.408 The world is your playground." 00:01:18.550 --> 00:01:19.650 So, 00:01:20.213 --> 00:01:24.133 by the time I was 17 years old, 00:01:24.163 --> 00:01:26.481 I was finishing high school in Brazil, 00:01:26.501 --> 00:01:28.441 my country of origin, 00:01:28.471 --> 00:01:32.791 struggling with the question many millennial teenagers struggled with: 00:01:34.390 --> 00:01:37.440 “What do I want to do when I grow up?” 00:01:37.470 --> 00:01:41.600 Knowing I would probably not be able to answer that at such an early age, 00:01:41.630 --> 00:01:46.740 I figured I’d settle for answering a smaller question instead at that point: 00:01:48.369 --> 00:01:51.869 “What do I want to study at university next year?” 00:01:51.899 --> 00:01:55.459 Then, once I’m at university, I'll ask myself what I want to do next, 00:01:55.489 --> 00:01:58.159 then do that again, step by step. 00:01:58.712 --> 00:02:00.452 It sounded like a good plan. 00:02:00.704 --> 00:02:02.994 And have you always known, since you were little, 00:02:03.024 --> 00:02:05.474 what you wanted to study at university? 00:02:05.504 --> 00:02:07.454 If so, I envy you, 00:02:07.484 --> 00:02:10.824 but my thought process was more like this: 00:02:11.654 --> 00:02:14.340 "OK, I like biology in school, 00:02:15.084 --> 00:02:16.254 but to be honest, 00:02:16.284 --> 00:02:19.844 I’ve got no interest in studying plants or insects, 00:02:19.874 --> 00:02:22.804 and I don’t really want to become a medical doctor." 00:02:23.635 --> 00:02:27.115 So I thought I’d start a bachelor's in Biomedical Sciences, 00:02:27.145 --> 00:02:29.125 to study human biology. 00:02:29.155 --> 00:02:30.825 That seemed to fit well. 00:02:32.007 --> 00:02:33.757 And soon after I started, 00:02:33.787 --> 00:02:37.842 I saw that my suspicion from high school was true: 00:02:38.494 --> 00:02:40.934 Science was awesome! 00:02:41.542 --> 00:02:45.582 The human body works in ways that seem out of this world! 00:02:45.952 --> 00:02:51.912 It’s unbelievable how much goes on inside one tiny cell in our body. 00:02:52.885 --> 00:02:55.715 So I was really enjoying the subjects in my bachelor’s, 00:02:55.745 --> 00:02:57.505 and I was getting pretty good grades. 00:02:57.535 --> 00:03:00.425 So I thought: "I must be doing something right." 00:03:01.345 --> 00:03:03.525 But there was still something bothering me. 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:08.019 Now the time had come to ask myself what I would do next. 00:03:08.049 --> 00:03:13.039 But everyone who I asked what my options were for after getting the degree 00:03:13.069 --> 00:03:14.909 would tell me the same thing: 00:03:16.453 --> 00:03:18.423 “There are no 'options.' 00:03:19.209 --> 00:03:21.289 There is 'one' option: 00:03:21.702 --> 00:03:24.862 After your bachelor’s, you do a master’s; 00:03:24.892 --> 00:03:28.152 after your master’s, you do a PhD; 00:03:28.182 --> 00:03:34.092 for the ultimate goal is to become a university professor and researcher.” 00:03:36.622 --> 00:03:40.582 Everyone would tell me that because that’s all they knew. 00:03:41.296 --> 00:03:44.068 But wait, what do you mean, “there’s only one option”? 00:03:44.436 --> 00:03:47.436 I’m a millennial; I was told the sky is the limit. 00:03:48.517 --> 00:03:50.987 Doing a master’s and a PhD was OK with me. 00:03:51.017 --> 00:03:53.537 I loved science and wanted to get deeper into it 00:03:53.567 --> 00:03:55.867 and keep doing some cool things in the lab. 00:03:55.897 --> 00:03:59.497 But the last part about becoming a professor really concerned me 00:03:59.942 --> 00:04:04.502 because back then I already knew I didn’t want to do research forever. 00:04:05.963 --> 00:04:08.443 So I did my master’s and my PhD, 00:04:08.473 --> 00:04:09.843 still in love with science, 00:04:09.873 --> 00:04:13.903 but always feeling like the black sheep in my graduate program, 00:04:14.661 --> 00:04:18.381 the one that doesn’t share the dream of a professorship, 00:04:18.925 --> 00:04:20.813 the odd one out. 00:04:21.606 --> 00:04:24.256 And so I went on, at first mostly alone, 00:04:24.286 --> 00:04:27.616 almost embarrassed, almost apologetic, 00:04:27.646 --> 00:04:30.466 trying to find the answer to my new question: 00:04:30.956 --> 00:04:35.626 what kinds of jobs could I have that don’t involve me doing experiments, 00:04:35.656 --> 00:04:37.856 but are still related to science? 00:04:39.163 --> 00:04:41.783 So I spent years doing my own research, 00:04:41.813 --> 00:04:45.733 having my own little side project in parallel to my thesis, 00:04:45.763 --> 00:04:48.593 reading and talking to a lot of people. 00:04:48.623 --> 00:04:51.263 I started coming across more and more colleagues 00:04:51.293 --> 00:04:54.123 who were looking for the answer to the same question. 00:04:54.153 --> 00:04:56.043 It turns out I wasn’t alone. 00:04:56.547 --> 00:04:59.187 There were a few other black sheep like me. 00:05:00.178 --> 00:05:03.898 And I found that there are so many kinds of jobs one could have 00:05:03.928 --> 00:05:06.038 with a science or technology background. 00:05:06.068 --> 00:05:08.013 you can work with business consulting, 00:05:08.033 --> 00:05:10.338 project management, science journalism, 00:05:10.368 --> 00:05:12.648 digital health and science technology, 00:05:12.678 --> 00:05:14.688 editorial of a scientific journal, 00:05:14.718 --> 00:05:15.688 public policy, 00:05:15.718 --> 00:05:18.108 patent protection and intellectual property, 00:05:18.138 --> 00:05:19.138 public health; 00:05:19.168 --> 00:05:21.638 entrepreneurship, starting yourown company ... 00:05:22.028 --> 00:05:23.732 Just to name a few. 00:05:24.785 --> 00:05:29.375 I suddenly went from "worried that there won’t be any options" 00:05:29.405 --> 00:05:33.105 to "overwhelmed with all the dozens of possibilities." 00:05:34.386 --> 00:05:36.186 And I asked myself, 00:05:36.216 --> 00:05:39.524 "Why is it that not all graduate students know that?" 00:05:40.210 --> 00:05:43.740 Why did it take me so long to find out the truth? 00:05:45.224 --> 00:05:50.804 And I realized that it's because the academic world is a bubble. 00:05:52.186 --> 00:05:54.726 Sometimes it feels like people who are in that bubble 00:05:54.756 --> 00:05:57.666 don’t have so much contact with the outside world. 00:05:58.751 --> 00:06:02.121 There’s little space for sunshine or vacation in that bubble. 00:06:02.151 --> 00:06:04.681 That’s why graduate students look so pale. 00:06:05.561 --> 00:06:09.721 A diet based on instant noodles and coffee doesn’t help either. 00:06:10.911 --> 00:06:14.661 I know, because I lived in that bubble for 10 years, 00:06:14.691 --> 00:06:17.181 and I noticed that my lack of access 00:06:17.211 --> 00:06:20.081 to information coming from outside the bubble 00:06:20.111 --> 00:06:23.022 was due to the academic culture. 00:06:25.509 --> 00:06:28.809 One of the core aspects of the academic culture 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.439 is that most people still believe 00:06:31.469 --> 00:06:35.529 the main purpose of doing a PhD is to become a university professor 00:06:35.559 --> 00:06:36.739 and researcher. 00:06:36.769 --> 00:06:42.099 Now, historically, this is true this used to be the case in the past 00:06:42.129 --> 00:06:45.069 it was like that in my grandparents’ generation. 00:06:45.490 --> 00:06:48.820 And it’s still true that if you want to be a professor today, 00:06:48.850 --> 00:06:50.780 you have to do a PhD. 00:06:51.096 --> 00:06:52.586 And a post-doc. 00:06:53.390 --> 00:06:55.130 And a second post-doc. 00:06:55.685 --> 00:06:58.195 And sometimes a third one ... 00:06:58.437 --> 00:07:03.067 But you don’t necessarily have to become a lifelong academic researcher 00:07:03.097 --> 00:07:05.497 just because you did a master’s and a PhD. 00:07:05.527 --> 00:07:07.987 In fact, most PhDs - 00:07:08.017 --> 00:07:11.427 90 to 99%, depending on the country - 00:07:11.457 --> 00:07:15.428 end up elsewhere, outside academia, after their studies. 00:07:15.850 --> 00:07:19.880 So, becoming a professor is not the "classical path" anymore. 00:07:19.910 --> 00:07:22.857 It has become the "alternative path." 00:07:23.606 --> 00:07:28.156 But even though doing something else is the most common path, 00:07:28.186 --> 00:07:32.596 there is still a culture of discouragement if you want to leave academia, 00:07:32.626 --> 00:07:36.776 which contributed to making me feel like a black sheep during my studies. 00:07:38.031 --> 00:07:42.911 I’ve heard academics call those who leave the academic bubble four things. 00:07:44.781 --> 00:07:46.461 "Time-waster." 00:07:47.217 --> 00:07:48.757 They say by leaving academia 00:07:48.787 --> 00:07:51.747 you’re throwing out of the window all the time and effort 00:07:51.777 --> 00:07:54.817 you put into learning science all those years. 00:07:55.828 --> 00:07:58.968 But pursuing a career unrelated to academia 00:07:58.998 --> 00:08:01.768 does not mean "unrelated to research." 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.739 You’re also called a "traitor." 00:08:08.333 --> 00:08:09.993 My personal favorite. 00:08:10.907 --> 00:08:14.437 "The University invested so much money in training you, 00:08:14.467 --> 00:08:17.667 and now you’re turning your back on academic research." 00:08:18.566 --> 00:08:21.926 I mean, we should be forever grateful to our graduate programs, 00:08:21.956 --> 00:08:26.546 but I don’t remember ever signing a lifelong contract to stay in research. 00:08:28.624 --> 00:08:33.434 You’re also called a "failed scientist." 00:08:34.251 --> 00:08:35.571 Ouch. 00:08:36.564 --> 00:08:39.314 Yeah, if you’re leaving the academic bubble, 00:08:39.344 --> 00:08:43.484 it must mean you were not good enough to make it in it. 00:08:44.569 --> 00:08:48.039 I’ve even heard a professor say, almost mourning: 00:08:48.524 --> 00:08:50.535 "I once had such a brilliant student 00:08:50.565 --> 00:08:53.655 who later went to work in the private sector ... 00:08:53.685 --> 00:08:55.945 I don’t know where I went wrong." 00:08:57.205 --> 00:09:01.255 Well, maybe that student left because he or she wanted to? 00:09:01.285 --> 00:09:03.201 Not because they had to? 00:09:04.731 --> 00:09:07.281 And finally, you're called "greedy." 00:09:07.728 --> 00:09:11.748 Yeah, because the industry pays better than academia. 00:09:12.670 --> 00:09:16.650 Well, actually the industry pays reasonable salaries, 00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:20.120 appropriate for highly educated professionals. 00:09:20.150 --> 00:09:22.673 It’s academia that underpays. 00:09:25.420 --> 00:09:28.640 I personally don’t get it, why academics get so defensive 00:09:28.670 --> 00:09:31.640 about graduate students leaving for non-academic jobs. 00:09:32.642 --> 00:09:35.972 There are not enough jobs in academia anyway! 00:09:36.435 --> 00:09:40.595 The number of fresh PhDs has gone up tremendously over the years, 00:09:40.625 --> 00:09:44.625 while the number of new faculty positions has stayed roughly the same. 00:09:44.655 --> 00:09:48.612 The universities right now just cannot accommodate that many PhDs 00:09:48.632 --> 00:09:50.582 as permanent researchers. 00:09:51.731 --> 00:09:53.221 So, you see, 00:09:53.251 --> 00:09:55.326 if you want to leave academia, 00:09:55.356 --> 00:10:00.022 you’re a greedy, failed, time-wasting Judas. 00:10:01.382 --> 00:10:03.922 But if you actually want to stay, 00:10:03.952 --> 00:10:05.674 there’s no job for you! 00:10:08.012 --> 00:10:12.162 To solve this academic paradox, there are a few options. 00:10:12.891 --> 00:10:17.771 One is to limit the amount of students being admitted into graduate programs, 00:10:17.801 --> 00:10:21.426 to try to control the number of new PhDs getting a degree, 00:10:21.446 --> 00:10:23.626 but I personally don't really like the idea 00:10:23.656 --> 00:10:26.416 of restricting access to education. 00:10:27.566 --> 00:10:32.736 A second, obvious way is to create more researcher positions, 00:10:32.766 --> 00:10:36.101 hire more people as permanent scientists. 00:10:36.690 --> 00:10:41.370 This would already help a lot, but it wouldn’t be enough. 00:10:41.930 --> 00:10:44.180 So, we really have to face the facts 00:10:44.210 --> 00:10:47.080 and approach the issue from a different angle. 00:10:49.108 --> 00:10:53.278 Graduate programs have to start preparing their students 00:10:53.308 --> 00:10:56.798 for tasks they will actually be doing in the future. 00:10:57.178 --> 00:11:01.611 Companies want to hire PhDs for their deep knowledge of science 00:11:01.641 --> 00:11:05.111 and their ability to solve problems and learn fast. 00:11:05.419 --> 00:11:10.059 And students right now are being trained to become excellent investigators, 00:11:10.089 --> 00:11:11.603 which is great, 00:11:11.633 --> 00:11:14.754 but if most of them will end up working in the private sector, 00:11:14.784 --> 00:11:19.024 they should also be trained to become excellent administrators, 00:11:19.054 --> 00:11:20.811 negotiators, 00:11:20.831 --> 00:11:22.681 communicators, 00:11:22.711 --> 00:11:24.099 leaders. 00:11:25.091 --> 00:11:30.021 Graduate programs have to start teaching, at least as an option, 00:11:30.051 --> 00:11:32.361 courses on business concepts, 00:11:32.391 --> 00:11:33.891 entrepreneurship, 00:11:33.921 --> 00:11:36.711 project management, marketing, finance ... 00:11:37.388 --> 00:11:43.208 It’s time we bring a bit of the MBA into the PhD. 00:11:44.524 --> 00:11:45.604 On top of that, 00:11:45.634 --> 00:11:50.244 graduate students also need to receive more career support and guidance. 00:11:50.274 --> 00:11:52.026 Many of them are not even aware 00:11:52.046 --> 00:11:55.226 that their chances of getting a professorship are minimal. 00:11:55.815 --> 00:11:58.085 Right from the start of their programs, 00:11:58.115 --> 00:12:02.095 they must be constantly exposed to, not hidden from, 00:12:02.125 --> 00:12:05.078 all their possibilities beyond the academic bubble, 00:12:05.098 --> 00:12:09.798 so they can make an informed career decision and prepare for it, 00:12:09.828 --> 00:12:12.648 and not just take anything that comes their way. 00:12:13.289 --> 00:12:16.219 So they really only go on to do a post-doc 00:12:16.249 --> 00:12:18.989 if they actively decided for it, 00:12:19.019 --> 00:12:21.069 not because they didn’t know what else to do 00:12:21.099 --> 00:12:23.159 and turned on the autopilot mode. 00:12:26.010 --> 00:12:30.960 And students should also be more active in getting career information. 00:12:30.985 --> 00:12:33.075 I know it’s hard ... 00:12:33.105 --> 00:12:36.502 We don’t have time for anything other than our theses, 00:12:36.532 --> 00:12:37.534 and most of the time 00:12:37.554 --> 00:12:41.215 we just prefer to avoid thinking about the future altogether. 00:12:42.087 --> 00:12:43.727 But, you know, 00:12:43.763 --> 00:12:45.583 it will come anyway. 00:12:46.193 --> 00:12:49.303 Your university education is not your whole career; 00:12:49.333 --> 00:12:51.313 it is your background. 00:12:51.585 --> 00:12:55.555 No bachelor’s, master’s or PhD lasts forever, 00:12:55.985 --> 00:12:58.933 even though it might feel like it most of the time. 00:12:59.815 --> 00:13:02.285 They are all temporary positions, 00:13:02.315 --> 00:13:05.586 and we’ll soon have to figure out our next move. 00:13:05.616 --> 00:13:07.236 And you don’t have to do it alone. 00:13:07.266 --> 00:13:10.526 You can team up with colleagues who are in the same boat. 00:13:10.556 --> 00:13:14.459 That’s how we’ve established the Career Development Initiative, 00:13:14.489 --> 00:13:16.819 the CDI, here in Berlin, 00:13:16.849 --> 00:13:20.179 which is entirely organized by students, alumni 00:13:20.209 --> 00:13:24.079 and one professor who acknowledges the need for a culture change. 00:13:24.109 --> 00:13:26.439 They are still rare, but they exist. 00:13:26.980 --> 00:13:30.600 Together, we use the time none of us have - 00:13:30.630 --> 00:13:32.310 evenings, weekends - 00:13:32.340 --> 00:13:36.600 to put together events, training programs and internships 00:13:36.630 --> 00:13:40.880 to help students find jobs where they feel fulfilled and recognized, 00:13:40.910 --> 00:13:42.960 inside or outside the bubble. 00:13:43.378 --> 00:13:45.298 I’m happy to share with current students 00:13:45.328 --> 00:13:48.528 what I’ve learned about career options after a PhD, 00:13:48.558 --> 00:13:51.198 so they don’t feel like black sheep themselves. 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.750 For all of this to work, 00:13:56.780 --> 00:14:00.340 for graduate students to get more information and training 00:14:00.370 --> 00:14:04.420 to become prepared for a transition into the job market, 00:14:04.450 --> 00:14:08.850 the professors who supervise them need to support them. 00:14:08.880 --> 00:14:12.082 If you're a professor and can’t be a career mentor yourself - 00:14:12.102 --> 00:14:15.562 because, after all, you’re also in the bubble - 00:14:16.157 --> 00:14:20.517 at least do not discourage your students from doing this. 00:14:20.547 --> 00:14:24.441 Let them take part in courses and extracurricular activities 00:14:24.471 --> 00:14:27.691 even if they're not directly related to research. 00:14:28.233 --> 00:14:32.423 It most likely won’t interfere with the quality of their theses, 00:14:32.453 --> 00:14:35.523 and it might make a huge difference for their future. 00:14:36.413 --> 00:14:40.633 Let’s keep in mind that most graduates will leave for non-academic jobs 00:14:40.663 --> 00:14:43.693 and that it is not a sign of failure. 00:14:46.351 --> 00:14:50.391 And I know that if you’re not in the academic bubble yourself, 00:14:50.421 --> 00:14:51.971 you might be thinking: 00:14:52.907 --> 00:14:56.427 “OK, so life for graduate students is hard. 00:14:56.457 --> 00:14:58.047 Cry me a river." 00:14:59.173 --> 00:15:02.063 “It was their own choice to go down that road.” 00:15:02.580 --> 00:15:05.140 “I’m a lawyer, why should I care?” 00:15:06.171 --> 00:15:08.301 I’ll tell you why you should care. 00:15:09.261 --> 00:15:14.301 Most of innovation, of ideas that improve society - 00:15:14.331 --> 00:15:16.671 be they cures for diseases, 00:15:16.701 --> 00:15:18.661 or solutions for world hunger, 00:15:18.691 --> 00:15:20.551 or the latest technologies - 00:15:20.581 --> 00:15:23.131 are born in universities. 00:15:23.653 --> 00:15:27.623 And most of the people working on this are graduate students. 00:15:28.161 --> 00:15:31.731 Sure, professors manage and supervise everything, 00:15:31.761 --> 00:15:36.721 but the everyday, hands-on, "dirty work" 00:15:36.751 --> 00:15:38.901 is done by the students. 00:15:39.542 --> 00:15:42.792 If research is like constructing a skyscraper, 00:15:42.822 --> 00:15:45.692 they are the thousands of bricklayers. 00:15:46.220 --> 00:15:48.910 If it’s a war, they are the army. 00:15:49.782 --> 00:15:51.982 If it’s Game of Thrones, 00:15:52.018 --> 00:15:53.838 they are the white walkers. 00:15:54.784 --> 00:15:56.759 They even look just as pale. 00:15:56.789 --> 00:15:58.209 (Laughter) 00:15:58.239 --> 00:16:03.409 The progress of science and innovation depends on graduate students. 00:16:05.072 --> 00:16:07.012 So let’s take care of them, 00:16:07.452 --> 00:16:11.622 value them and give them career guidance and mental support. 00:16:12.079 --> 00:16:15.669 Let’s encourage them to be the best version of themselves. 00:16:16.382 --> 00:16:17.762 Science is amazing, 00:16:17.792 --> 00:16:22.622 and it can do so much for our lives if done out of passion and not pressure. 00:16:24.230 --> 00:16:27.150 We need a change in the academic culture. 00:16:27.180 --> 00:16:29.610 First of all, let’s stop thinking: 00:16:29.640 --> 00:16:31.090 "Hmm ... Things are not great, 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.930 but that’s just how it is and has always been." 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:36.960 No, after we leave here today, 00:16:36.990 --> 00:16:40.460 let’s not again reproduce the century-old speech 00:16:40.490 --> 00:16:44.310 that a PhD is a one-way ticket to "Professorland," 00:16:44.340 --> 00:16:46.350 and let’s start opening our eyes 00:16:46.380 --> 00:16:49.730 to all the things a millennial with a degree can do - 00:16:50.370 --> 00:16:52.960 if he or she ever gets off that phone. 00:16:55.639 --> 00:17:00.119 Academics should start reaching out more to people outside the bubble 00:17:00.149 --> 00:17:02.649 and be supportive of their colleagues. 00:17:03.358 --> 00:17:06.408 Graduate programs have to listen more to their students 00:17:06.438 --> 00:17:08.638 and adapt to their needs. 00:17:09.567 --> 00:17:13.697 Let’s burst that bubble and bring academia to the twenty-first century. 00:17:16.106 --> 00:17:17.126 Most of all, 00:17:17.156 --> 00:17:20.236 it’s essential that we become aware of these issues 00:17:20.266 --> 00:17:22.846 and talk about them, like we’re doing here. 00:17:23.608 --> 00:17:27.308 Let’s keep a critical eye on the system we live in, 00:17:27.338 --> 00:17:30.338 and yes, change it, if it needs improvement. 00:17:31.636 --> 00:17:33.106 After all ... 00:17:34.089 --> 00:17:36.829 that’s what university taught us to do. 00:17:38.954 --> 00:17:40.354 (Applause)