1 00:00:01,309 --> 00:00:02,881 What if you own a hotel, 2 00:00:02,905 --> 00:00:05,583 and one of the key principles in your mission statement 3 00:00:05,607 --> 00:00:09,120 is a commitment to treat all employees and customers equally, 4 00:00:09,144 --> 00:00:12,266 including on the basis of gender and religion? 5 00:00:12,794 --> 00:00:15,809 And then a large group books an event at your space, 6 00:00:15,833 --> 00:00:19,145 and when you look at the booking, you realize it's a religious group, 7 00:00:19,169 --> 00:00:22,943 and one of their key principles is that women should never leave the home 8 00:00:22,967 --> 00:00:26,664 and should have no opportunities for professional development outside of it. 9 00:00:26,688 --> 00:00:27,848 What do you do? 10 00:00:27,872 --> 00:00:30,691 Do you host the event and get criticized by some, 11 00:00:30,715 --> 00:00:33,455 or refuse and get criticized by others? 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,058 In my work, I counsel organizations on how to create rules 13 00:00:37,082 --> 00:00:41,315 to navigate ideological disagreement and controversial speech, 14 00:00:41,339 --> 00:00:42,720 and I defend my clients, 15 00:00:42,744 --> 00:00:44,737 whether in court or from the government, 16 00:00:44,761 --> 00:00:46,429 when their actions are challenged. 17 00:00:46,453 --> 00:00:47,775 The structures I recommend 18 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:51,993 recognize the real harms that can come from certain types of speech, 19 00:00:52,017 --> 00:00:56,987 but at the same time, seek to promote dialogue rather than shut it down. 20 00:00:57,011 --> 00:00:59,763 The reason is that we need disagreement. 21 00:00:59,787 --> 00:01:01,541 Creativity and human progress 22 00:01:01,565 --> 00:01:02,829 depend on it. 23 00:01:02,853 --> 00:01:04,235 While it may be often easier 24 00:01:04,259 --> 00:01:06,978 to speak with someone who agrees with everything you say, 25 00:01:07,002 --> 00:01:09,549 it's more enlightening and oftentimes more satisfying 26 00:01:09,573 --> 00:01:11,385 to speak with someone who doesn't. 27 00:01:11,409 --> 00:01:15,472 But disagreement and discord can have real and meaningful costs. 28 00:01:15,496 --> 00:01:18,302 Disagreement, particularly in the form of hateful speech, 29 00:01:18,326 --> 00:01:21,979 can lead to deep and lasting wounds and sometimes result in violence. 30 00:01:22,455 --> 00:01:26,912 And in a world in which polarization and innovation are increasing 31 00:01:26,936 --> 00:01:29,201 at seemingly exponential rates, 32 00:01:29,225 --> 00:01:33,352 the need to create structures for vigorous but not violent disagreement 33 00:01:33,376 --> 00:01:35,038 have never been more important. 34 00:01:35,723 --> 00:01:39,340 The US Constitution's First Amendment might seem like a good place to start 35 00:01:39,364 --> 00:01:40,910 to go to look for answers. 36 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:43,556 You, like I, may have often heard somebody say 37 00:01:43,580 --> 00:01:47,451 that some form of a speech restriction, whether from an employer, a website, 38 00:01:47,475 --> 00:01:48,789 or even somebody else, 39 00:01:48,813 --> 00:01:50,574 "violates" the First Amendment. 40 00:01:50,955 --> 00:01:54,972 But in fact, the First Amendment usually has little if any relevance at all. 41 00:01:54,996 --> 00:01:56,621 The First Amendment only applies 42 00:01:56,645 --> 00:02:00,275 when the government is seeking to suppress the speech of its citizens. 43 00:02:00,299 --> 00:02:04,302 As a result, the First Amendment is by design a blunt instrument. 44 00:02:04,326 --> 00:02:08,125 A narrow category of speech can be banned based on its content. 45 00:02:08,149 --> 00:02:10,429 Almost everything else cannot. 46 00:02:10,453 --> 00:02:12,414 But the First Amendment has no relevance 47 00:02:12,438 --> 00:02:16,023 when what we're talking about is a private entity regulating speech. 48 00:02:16,047 --> 00:02:17,515 And that's a good thing, 49 00:02:17,539 --> 00:02:20,207 because it means private entities have at their disposal 50 00:02:20,231 --> 00:02:24,177 a broad and flexible set of tools that don't prohibit speech, 51 00:02:24,201 --> 00:02:27,884 but do make speakers aware of the consequences of their words. 52 00:02:27,908 --> 00:02:29,640 Here are some examples. 53 00:02:29,664 --> 00:02:30,947 When you go to university, 54 00:02:30,971 --> 00:02:34,296 it's a time for the free and unrestricted exchange of ideas. 55 00:02:34,938 --> 00:02:37,588 But some ideas and the words used to express them 56 00:02:37,612 --> 00:02:39,112 can cause discord, 57 00:02:39,136 --> 00:02:42,828 whether it's an intentionally inflammatory event hosted by a student group 58 00:02:42,852 --> 00:02:45,923 or the exploration of a controversial issue in class. 59 00:02:45,947 --> 00:02:48,183 In order to protect both intellectual freedom 60 00:02:48,207 --> 00:02:50,104 and their most vulnerable students, 61 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:54,426 some universities have formed teams that bring speaker and listener together, 62 00:02:54,450 --> 00:02:56,685 free from the possibility of any sanction, 63 00:02:56,709 --> 00:02:58,466 to hear each other's viewpoints. 64 00:02:58,490 --> 00:03:00,322 Sometimes students don't want to meet, 65 00:03:00,346 --> 00:03:01,497 and that's fine. 66 00:03:01,521 --> 00:03:02,824 But in other circumstances, 67 00:03:02,848 --> 00:03:06,945 mediated exposure to an opposing view can result in acknowledgment, 68 00:03:06,969 --> 00:03:09,093 recognition of unintended consequences 69 00:03:09,117 --> 00:03:10,834 and a broadening of perspectives. 70 00:03:11,493 --> 00:03:12,914 Here's an example. 71 00:03:12,938 --> 00:03:16,433 On a college campus, a group of students supporting the Israelis 72 00:03:16,457 --> 00:03:18,243 and those supporting the Palestinians 73 00:03:18,267 --> 00:03:20,058 were constantly reporting each other 74 00:03:20,082 --> 00:03:22,762 for disrupting events, tearing down posters 75 00:03:22,786 --> 00:03:24,961 and engaging in verbal confrontations. 76 00:03:26,006 --> 00:03:28,699 Recognizing that most of what the students were reporting 77 00:03:28,723 --> 00:03:31,523 did not violate the university's disciplinary code, 78 00:03:31,547 --> 00:03:34,785 the university invited both groups to sit down 79 00:03:34,809 --> 00:03:36,849 in a so-called "restorative circle," 80 00:03:36,873 --> 00:03:39,039 where they could hear each other's viewpoints, 81 00:03:39,063 --> 00:03:40,953 free from the possibility of sanction. 82 00:03:41,477 --> 00:03:42,716 After the meeting, 83 00:03:42,740 --> 00:03:45,101 the ideological disagreements between the groups 84 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:46,902 remained as stark as ever, 85 00:03:46,926 --> 00:03:50,590 but the rancor between them significantly dissipated. 86 00:03:50,614 --> 00:03:52,916 Now, obviously, this doesn't always happen. 87 00:03:52,940 --> 00:03:57,004 But by separating reactions to speech from the disciplinary system, 88 00:03:57,028 --> 00:03:59,905 institutions of higher education have created a space 89 00:03:59,929 --> 00:04:03,504 for productive disagreement and a broadening of perspectives. 90 00:04:04,115 --> 00:04:05,435 We're all biased. 91 00:04:05,459 --> 00:04:07,413 I don't mean that in a bad way. 92 00:04:07,437 --> 00:04:10,361 All of us are influenced, and rightly so, 93 00:04:10,385 --> 00:04:13,574 by our family background, our education, our lived experience 94 00:04:13,598 --> 00:04:15,164 and a million other things. 95 00:04:15,188 --> 00:04:17,375 Organizations, too, have influences, 96 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:19,801 most importantly, the beliefs of their members, 97 00:04:19,825 --> 00:04:21,989 but also the laws under which they're governed 98 00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:24,281 or the marketplace in which they compete. 99 00:04:24,756 --> 00:04:28,578 These influences can form a critical part of a corporate identity, 100 00:04:28,602 --> 00:04:31,768 and they can be vital for attracting and retaining talent. 101 00:04:32,323 --> 00:04:34,771 But these "biases," as I'm calling them, 102 00:04:34,795 --> 00:04:36,114 can also be a challenge, 103 00:04:36,138 --> 00:04:38,334 particularly when what we're talking about 104 00:04:38,358 --> 00:04:42,250 is drawing lines for allowing some speech and not allowing others. 105 00:04:42,782 --> 00:04:45,339 The temptation to find speech harmful or disruptive 106 00:04:45,363 --> 00:04:46,998 simply because we disagree with it 107 00:04:47,022 --> 00:04:48,173 is real. 108 00:04:48,197 --> 00:04:52,422 But equally real is the harm that can come from certain types of expression. 109 00:04:52,446 --> 00:04:54,911 In this situation, third parties can help. 110 00:04:55,410 --> 00:04:56,561 Remember the hotel, 111 00:04:56,585 --> 00:05:00,443 trying to decide whether or not to allow the religious group to host its event? 112 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:03,886 Rather than having to make a complex, on-the-spot decision 113 00:05:03,910 --> 00:05:06,426 about that group's identity and message, 114 00:05:06,450 --> 00:05:09,345 the hotel could instead rely on a third party, 115 00:05:09,369 --> 00:05:10,545 say, for example, 116 00:05:10,569 --> 00:05:12,142 the Southern Poverty Law Center, 117 00:05:12,166 --> 00:05:14,675 which has a list of hate groups in the United States, 118 00:05:14,699 --> 00:05:17,299 or indeed even its own outside group of experts 119 00:05:17,323 --> 00:05:19,468 brought together from diverse backgrounds. 120 00:05:19,492 --> 00:05:21,404 By relying on third parties 121 00:05:21,428 --> 00:05:25,577 to draw lines outside the context of a particular event, 122 00:05:25,601 --> 00:05:28,099 organizations can make content decisions 123 00:05:28,123 --> 00:05:31,233 without being accused of acting in self-interest or bias. 124 00:05:31,757 --> 00:05:34,528 The line between facts and opinions is a hazy one. 125 00:05:34,933 --> 00:05:38,568 The internet provides the opportunity to publish almost any position 126 00:05:38,592 --> 00:05:40,339 on any topic under the sun. 127 00:05:40,363 --> 00:05:42,204 And in some ways, that's a good thing. 128 00:05:42,228 --> 00:05:45,058 It allows for the expression of minority viewpoints 129 00:05:45,082 --> 00:05:47,602 and for holding those in power accountable. 130 00:05:47,626 --> 00:05:49,623 But the ability to self-publish freely 131 00:05:49,647 --> 00:05:53,056 means that unverified or even flat-out false statements 132 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,410 can quickly gain circulation and currency, 133 00:05:55,434 --> 00:05:57,193 and that is very dangerous. 134 00:05:57,614 --> 00:06:01,039 The decision to take down a post or ban a user is a tough one. 135 00:06:01,063 --> 00:06:03,226 It certainly can be appropriate at times, 136 00:06:03,250 --> 00:06:05,286 but there are other tools available as well 137 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:08,277 to foster productive and yet responsible debate. 138 00:06:08,301 --> 00:06:10,558 Twitter has recently started labeling tweets 139 00:06:10,582 --> 00:06:14,763 as misleading, deceptive or containing unverified information. 140 00:06:15,257 --> 00:06:17,717 Rather than block access to those tweets, 141 00:06:17,741 --> 00:06:21,354 Twitter instead links to a source that contains more information 142 00:06:21,378 --> 00:06:23,089 about the claims made. 143 00:06:23,113 --> 00:06:26,218 A good and timely example is its coronavirus page, 144 00:06:26,242 --> 00:06:29,458 which has up-to-the-minute information about the spread of the virus 145 00:06:29,482 --> 00:06:31,155 and what to do if you contract it. 146 00:06:31,539 --> 00:06:34,009 To me, this approach makes a ton of sense. 147 00:06:34,033 --> 00:06:36,240 Rather than shutting down dialogue, 148 00:06:36,264 --> 00:06:40,560 this brings more ideas, facts and context to the forum. 149 00:06:40,584 --> 00:06:43,458 And, if you know that your assertions are going to be held up 150 00:06:43,482 --> 00:06:45,442 against more authoritative sources, 151 00:06:45,466 --> 00:06:46,817 it may create incentives 152 00:06:46,841 --> 00:06:49,344 for more responsible speech in the first place. 153 00:06:49,828 --> 00:06:51,645 Let me end with a hard truth: 154 00:06:51,669 --> 00:06:54,642 the structures I've described can foster productive debate 155 00:06:54,666 --> 00:06:57,017 while isolating truly harmful speech. 156 00:06:57,041 --> 00:07:00,095 But inevitably, some speech is going to fall in a grey area, 157 00:07:00,119 --> 00:07:01,689 perhaps deeply offensive 158 00:07:01,713 --> 00:07:04,688 but also with the potential to contribute to public debate. 159 00:07:05,538 --> 00:07:06,947 In this situation, 160 00:07:06,971 --> 00:07:08,404 I think as a general matter, 161 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:11,837 the tie should go to allowing more rather than less speech. 162 00:07:11,861 --> 00:07:13,305 Here's why. 163 00:07:13,329 --> 00:07:15,120 For one, there's always the risk 164 00:07:15,144 --> 00:07:17,725 that an innovative or creative idea gets squelched 165 00:07:17,749 --> 00:07:20,186 because it seems unfamiliar or dangerous. 166 00:07:20,210 --> 00:07:21,752 Almost by definition, 167 00:07:21,776 --> 00:07:25,568 innovative ideas challenge orthodoxies about how things should be. 168 00:07:26,047 --> 00:07:28,364 So if an idea seems offensive or dangerous, 169 00:07:28,388 --> 00:07:29,924 it could be because it is, 170 00:07:29,948 --> 00:07:33,122 or it might simply be because we're scared of change. 171 00:07:33,146 --> 00:07:38,224 But let me suggest that even if speech has little to no value at all, 172 00:07:38,248 --> 00:07:41,560 that deficiency should be shown through open debate 173 00:07:41,584 --> 00:07:43,124 rather than suppression. 174 00:07:43,148 --> 00:07:44,329 To be very clear: 175 00:07:44,353 --> 00:07:48,122 false speech can lead to devastating real-world harms, 176 00:07:48,146 --> 00:07:51,004 from the burning of women accused of being witches in Europe 177 00:07:51,028 --> 00:07:52,390 in the 15th century 178 00:07:52,414 --> 00:07:55,231 to the lynching of African-Americans in the American South, 179 00:07:55,255 --> 00:07:56,804 to the Rwandan Genocide. 180 00:07:57,273 --> 00:08:00,033 The idea that the remedy for false speech is more speech 181 00:08:00,057 --> 00:08:01,533 isn't always true. 182 00:08:01,557 --> 00:08:05,129 But I do think more often than not, more speech can help. 183 00:08:05,153 --> 00:08:08,804 A famous story from First Amendment case law shows why. 184 00:08:08,828 --> 00:08:12,890 In 1977, a group of neo-Nazis wanted to stage a march 185 00:08:12,914 --> 00:08:15,729 through the leafy, peaceful suburb of Skokie, Illinois, 186 00:08:15,753 --> 00:08:18,618 home to a significant number of Holocaust survivors. 187 00:08:18,642 --> 00:08:22,454 The City Council immediately passed ordinances trying to block the Nazis, 188 00:08:22,478 --> 00:08:24,039 and the Nazis sued. 189 00:08:24,063 --> 00:08:26,726 The case made it all the way up to the US Supreme Court 190 00:08:26,750 --> 00:08:28,155 and back down again. 191 00:08:28,179 --> 00:08:31,375 The courts held that the neo-Nazis had the right to march, 192 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:33,438 and that they could display their swastikas 193 00:08:33,462 --> 00:08:35,579 and give their salutes while doing so. 194 00:08:35,603 --> 00:08:37,345 But when the day for the march came, 195 00:08:37,369 --> 00:08:39,264 and after all that litigation, 196 00:08:39,288 --> 00:08:40,912 just 20 neo-Nazis showed up 197 00:08:40,936 --> 00:08:43,467 in front of the Federal Building in Chicago, Illinois, 198 00:08:43,491 --> 00:08:46,543 and they were met by 2,000 counter-protesters 199 00:08:46,567 --> 00:08:48,866 responding to the Nazis' messages of hate 200 00:08:48,890 --> 00:08:50,314 with ones of inclusion. 201 00:08:50,822 --> 00:08:52,718 As the Chicago Tribune noted, 202 00:08:52,742 --> 00:08:56,926 the Nazi march sputtered to an unspectacular end after 10 minutes. 203 00:08:57,422 --> 00:09:00,777 The violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and indeed around the world 204 00:09:00,801 --> 00:09:03,095 shows this isn't always how these stories end. 205 00:09:03,119 --> 00:09:06,153 But to me, the Skokie story is a good one, 206 00:09:06,177 --> 00:09:10,560 one that shows that the fallacy and moral bankruptcy of hateful speech 207 00:09:10,584 --> 00:09:13,227 can best be responded to not through suppression 208 00:09:13,251 --> 00:09:17,223 but through the righteous power of countervailing good and noble ideas. 209 00:09:17,247 --> 00:09:19,087 Thank you.