1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,128 What if you own a hotel, 2 00:00:03,128 --> 00:00:05,778 and one of the key principles in your mission statement 3 00:00:05,778 --> 00:00:09,069 is a commitment to treat all employees and customers equally, 4 00:00:09,069 --> 00:00:13,025 including on the basis of gender and religion? 5 00:00:13,025 --> 00:00:15,953 And then a large group books an event at your space, 6 00:00:15,953 --> 00:00:17,545 and when you look at the booking, 7 00:00:17,545 --> 00:00:19,554 you realize that it's a religious group, 8 00:00:19,554 --> 00:00:21,322 and one of their key principles 9 00:00:21,322 --> 00:00:23,057 is that women should never leave the home 10 00:00:23,057 --> 00:00:25,643 and should have no opportunities for professional development 11 00:00:25,643 --> 00:00:26,844 outside of it? 12 00:00:27,045 --> 00:00:28,028 What do you do? 13 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:29,163 Do you host the event 14 00:00:29,163 --> 00:00:30,889 and get criticized by some, 15 00:00:30,889 --> 00:00:33,624 or refuse and get criticized by others? 16 00:00:33,624 --> 00:00:36,844 In my work, I counsel organizations on how to create rules 17 00:00:36,844 --> 00:00:40,972 to navigate ideological disagreement and controversial speech, 18 00:00:40,972 --> 00:00:42,957 and I defend my clients, 19 00:00:42,957 --> 00:00:46,643 whether in court or from the government when their actions are challenged. 20 00:00:46,643 --> 00:00:49,870 The structures I recommend recognize the real harms 21 00:00:49,870 --> 00:00:52,290 that can come from certain types of speech, 22 00:00:52,290 --> 00:00:56,993 but at the same time seek to promote dialogue rather than shut it down. 23 00:00:57,177 --> 00:00:59,787 The reason is that we need disagreement. 24 00:00:59,787 --> 00:01:02,021 Creativity and human progress 25 00:01:02,021 --> 00:01:03,241 depend on it. 26 00:01:03,241 --> 00:01:04,507 While it may be often easier 27 00:01:04,507 --> 00:01:06,658 to speak with someone who agrees with everything you say, 28 00:01:06,658 --> 00:01:09,668 it's more enlightening and oftentimes more satisfying 29 00:01:09,668 --> 00:01:11,503 to speak with someone who doesn't. 30 00:01:11,503 --> 00:01:15,291 But disagreement and discord can have real and meaningful costs. 31 00:01:15,496 --> 00:01:18,326 Disagreement, particularly in the form of hateful speech, 32 00:01:18,326 --> 00:01:22,336 can lead to deep and lasting wounds and sometimes result in violence. 33 00:01:22,336 --> 00:01:27,209 And in a world in which polarization and innovation are increasing 34 00:01:27,209 --> 00:01:29,225 at seemingly exponential rates, 35 00:01:29,225 --> 00:01:33,643 the need to create structures for vigorous but not violent disagreement 36 00:01:33,643 --> 00:01:35,723 have never been more important. 37 00:01:35,723 --> 00:01:39,532 The US Constitution's First Amendment might seem like a good place to start 38 00:01:39,532 --> 00:01:41,117 to go to look for answers. 39 00:01:41,117 --> 00:01:43,720 You, like I, may have often heard somebody say 40 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,657 that some form of a speech restriction, whether from an employer, a website, 41 00:01:47,657 --> 00:01:50,365 or even somebody else, violates the First Amendment. 42 00:01:50,365 --> 00:01:55,481 But in fact the First Amendment usually has little if any relevance at all. 43 00:01:55,481 --> 00:01:58,490 The First Amendment only applies when the government is seeking 44 00:01:58,490 --> 00:02:00,518 to suppress the speech of its citizens. 45 00:02:00,518 --> 00:02:04,188 As a result, the First Amendment is by design a blunt instrument. 46 00:02:04,188 --> 00:02:08,261 A narrow category of speech can be banned based on its content. 47 00:02:08,261 --> 00:02:10,487 Almost everything else cannot. 48 00:02:10,487 --> 00:02:12,854 But the First Amendment has no relevance 49 00:02:12,854 --> 00:02:17,092 when what we're talking about is a private entity regulating speech, 50 00:02:17,092 --> 00:02:18,093 and that's a good thing, 51 00:02:18,093 --> 00:02:20,293 because it means private entities have at their disposal 52 00:02:20,293 --> 00:02:24,406 a broad and flexible set of tools that don't prohibit speech, 53 00:02:24,406 --> 00:02:28,075 but do make speakers aware of the consequences of their words. 54 00:02:28,075 --> 00:02:29,685 Here are some examples. 55 00:02:29,685 --> 00:02:31,302 When you go to university, 56 00:02:31,302 --> 00:02:34,939 it's a time for the free and unrestricted exchange of ideas, 57 00:02:34,939 --> 00:02:36,359 but some ideas, 58 00:02:36,359 --> 00:02:39,383 and the words used to express them, can cause discord, 59 00:02:39,383 --> 00:02:43,687 whether it's an intentionally inflammatory event hosted by a student group, 60 00:02:43,687 --> 00:02:46,390 or the exploration of a controversial issue in class. 61 00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:48,724 In order to protect both intellectual freedom 62 00:02:48,724 --> 00:02:50,502 and their most vulnerable students, 63 00:02:50,502 --> 00:02:54,572 some universities have formed teams that bring speaker and listener together, 64 00:02:54,572 --> 00:02:58,591 free from the possibility of any sanction, to hear each other's viewpoints. 65 00:02:58,591 --> 00:03:00,483 Sometimes students don't want to meet, 66 00:03:00,483 --> 00:03:02,902 and that's fine, but in other circumstances, 67 00:03:02,902 --> 00:03:06,572 mediated exposure to an opposing view can result in acknowledgment, 68 00:03:06,572 --> 00:03:10,966 recognition of unintended consequences, and a broadening of perspectives. 69 00:03:10,966 --> 00:03:12,768 Here's an example. 70 00:03:12,768 --> 00:03:16,393 On a college campus, a group of students supporting the Israelis 71 00:03:16,393 --> 00:03:20,198 and those supporting the Palestinians were constantly reporting each other 72 00:03:20,198 --> 00:03:22,786 for disrupting events, tearing down posters, 73 00:03:22,786 --> 00:03:24,985 and engaging in verbal confrontations. 74 00:03:24,985 --> 00:03:28,531 Recognizing that most of what the students were reporting 75 00:03:28,531 --> 00:03:31,331 did not violate the university's disciplinary code, 76 00:03:31,331 --> 00:03:34,618 the university invited both groups to sit down 77 00:03:34,618 --> 00:03:36,719 in a so-called restorative circle 78 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:39,480 where they could hear each other's viewpoints 79 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,715 free from the possibility of sanction. 80 00:03:41,715 --> 00:03:43,182 After the meeting, 81 00:03:43,182 --> 00:03:47,053 the ideological disagreements between the groups remained as stark as ever, 82 00:03:47,053 --> 00:03:50,412 but the rancor between them significantly dissipated. 83 00:03:50,646 --> 00:03:53,198 Now obviously, this doesn't always happen, 84 00:03:53,198 --> 00:03:56,818 but by separating reactions to speech from the disciplinary system, 85 00:03:56,818 --> 00:03:59,929 institutions of higher education have created a space 86 00:03:59,929 --> 00:04:04,048 for productive disagreement and a broadening of perspectives. 87 00:04:04,274 --> 00:04:05,617 We're all biased. 88 00:04:05,617 --> 00:04:07,863 I don't mean that in a bad way. 89 00:04:07,863 --> 00:04:10,273 All of us are influenced, and rightly so, 90 00:04:10,273 --> 00:04:12,266 by our family background, our education, our lived experience, 91 00:04:12,266 --> 00:04:14,767 and a million other things. 92 00:04:15,284 --> 00:04:17,494 Organizations too have influences, 93 00:04:17,494 --> 00:04:19,919 most importantly the beliefs of their members, 94 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:23,005 but also the laws under which they are governed 95 00:04:23,005 --> 00:04:25,297 or the marketplace in which they compete. 96 00:04:25,297 --> 00:04:28,817 These influences can form a critical part of a corporate identity, 97 00:04:28,817 --> 00:04:32,220 and they can be vital for attracting and retaining talent, 98 00:04:32,220 --> 00:04:34,795 but these biases, as I'm calling them, 99 00:04:34,795 --> 00:04:36,314 can also be a challenge, 100 00:04:36,314 --> 00:04:38,650 particularly when what we are talking about 101 00:04:38,650 --> 00:04:42,237 is drawing lines for allowing some speech and not allowing others. 102 00:04:42,486 --> 00:04:45,522 The temptation to find speech harmful or disruptive 103 00:04:45,522 --> 00:04:47,882 simply because we disagree with it is real, 104 00:04:47,882 --> 00:04:52,469 but equally real is the harm that can come from certain types of expression. 105 00:04:52,635 --> 00:04:55,161 In this situation, third parties can help. 106 00:04:55,161 --> 00:04:57,213 Remember the hotel trying to decide 107 00:04:57,213 --> 00:05:00,467 whether or not to allow the religious group to host its event? 108 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:03,910 Rather than having to make a complex, on-the-spot decision 109 00:05:03,910 --> 00:05:06,512 about that group's identity and message, 110 00:05:06,746 --> 00:05:09,347 the hotel could instead rely on a third party, 111 00:05:09,347 --> 00:05:10,734 say, for example, 112 00:05:10,734 --> 00:05:12,601 the Southern Poverty Law Center, 113 00:05:12,601 --> 00:05:15,030 which has a list of hate groups in the United States, 114 00:05:15,030 --> 00:05:17,282 or indeed even its own outside group of experts 115 00:05:17,282 --> 00:05:19,765 brought together from diverse backgrounds. 116 00:05:19,765 --> 00:05:21,483 By relying on third parties 117 00:05:21,483 --> 00:05:25,076 to draw lines outside the context of a particular event, 118 00:05:25,076 --> 00:05:28,245 organizations can make content decisions 119 00:05:28,245 --> 00:05:31,498 without being accused of acting in self-interest or bias. 120 00:05:31,664 --> 00:05:34,441 The line between facts and opinions is a hazy one. 121 00:05:34,441 --> 00:05:37,545 The internet provides the opportunity to publish almost any position 122 00:05:37,545 --> 00:05:40,181 on any topic under the sun, 123 00:05:40,363 --> 00:05:42,115 and in some ways that's a good thing. 124 00:05:42,115 --> 00:05:45,674 It allows for the expression of minority viewpoints 125 00:05:45,674 --> 00:05:47,928 and for holding those in power accountable. 126 00:05:47,928 --> 00:05:50,019 But the ability to self-publish freely 127 00:05:50,019 --> 00:05:53,262 means that unverified or even flat-out false statements 128 00:05:53,262 --> 00:05:55,691 can quickly gain circulation and currency, 129 00:05:55,691 --> 00:05:57,544 and that is very dangerous. 130 00:05:57,544 --> 00:06:01,063 The decision to take down a post or ban a user is a tough one. 131 00:06:01,063 --> 00:06:03,498 It certainly can be appropriate at times, 132 00:06:03,498 --> 00:06:05,575 but there are other tools available as well 133 00:06:05,575 --> 00:06:08,242 to foster productive and yet responsible debate. 134 00:06:08,242 --> 00:06:11,163 Twitter has recently started labeling tweets as misleading, 135 00:06:11,163 --> 00:06:12,315 deceptive, 136 00:06:12,315 --> 00:06:14,889 or containing unverified information. 137 00:06:14,889 --> 00:06:17,942 Rather than block access to those tweets, 138 00:06:17,942 --> 00:06:21,378 Twitter instead links to a source that contains more information 139 00:06:21,378 --> 00:06:22,930 about the claims made. 140 00:06:23,113 --> 00:06:26,457 A good and timely example is its coronavirus page, 141 00:06:26,457 --> 00:06:30,027 which has up-to-the-minute information about the spread of the virus 142 00:06:30,027 --> 00:06:31,810 and what to do if you contract it. 143 00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:34,172 To me, this approach makes a ton of sense. 144 00:06:34,172 --> 00:06:36,207 Rather than shutting down dialogue, 145 00:06:36,207 --> 00:06:38,091 this brings more ideas, 146 00:06:38,091 --> 00:06:40,709 facts and context to the forum, 147 00:06:40,709 --> 00:06:43,661 and if you know that your assertions are going to be held up 148 00:06:43,661 --> 00:06:45,721 against more authoritative sources, 149 00:06:45,721 --> 00:06:48,390 it may create incentives for more responsible speech 150 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:49,707 in the first place. 151 00:06:49,707 --> 00:06:51,743 Let me end with a hard truth. 152 00:06:51,743 --> 00:06:54,570 The structures I've described can foster productive debate 153 00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:57,405 while isolating truly harmful speech, 154 00:06:57,405 --> 00:07:00,409 but inevitably some speech is going to fall in a grey area, 155 00:07:00,409 --> 00:07:01,808 perhaps deeply offensive 156 00:07:01,808 --> 00:07:04,902 but also with the potential to contribute to public debate. 157 00:07:04,902 --> 00:07:06,971 In this situation, 158 00:07:06,971 --> 00:07:08,588 I think as a general matter, 159 00:07:08,588 --> 00:07:11,974 the tie should go to allowing more rather than less speech. 160 00:07:11,974 --> 00:07:13,518 Here's why. 161 00:07:13,518 --> 00:07:15,018 For one, there's always the risk 162 00:07:15,018 --> 00:07:17,971 that an innovative or creative idea gets squelched 163 00:07:17,971 --> 00:07:19,872 because it seems unfamiliar or dangerous. 164 00:07:19,872 --> 00:07:21,899 Almost by definition, 165 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:25,568 innovative ideas challenge orthodoxies about how things should be. 166 00:07:25,871 --> 00:07:28,522 So if an idea seems offensive or dangerous, 167 00:07:28,522 --> 00:07:29,865 it could be because it is, 168 00:07:29,865 --> 00:07:33,345 or it might simply be because we're scared of change. 169 00:07:33,382 --> 00:07:38,177 But let me suggest that even if speech has little to no value at all, 170 00:07:38,177 --> 00:07:41,584 that deficiency should be shown through open debate 171 00:07:41,584 --> 00:07:43,148 rather than suppression. 172 00:07:43,148 --> 00:07:44,600 To be very clear, 173 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,109 false speech can lead to devastating real-world harms, 174 00:07:48,109 --> 00:07:50,979 from the burning of women accused of being witches in Europe 175 00:07:50,979 --> 00:07:52,414 in the 15th century 176 00:07:52,414 --> 00:07:55,767 to the lynching of African-Americans in the American South, 177 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:57,309 to the Rwandan Genocide. 178 00:07:57,309 --> 00:08:00,377 The idea that the remedy for false speech is more speech 179 00:08:00,377 --> 00:08:01,867 isn't always true. 180 00:08:01,867 --> 00:08:05,433 But I do think more often than not more speech can help. 181 00:08:05,433 --> 00:08:09,160 A famous story from First Amendment case law shows why. 182 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,645 In 1977, a group of Neo-Nazis wanted to stage a march 183 00:08:12,645 --> 00:08:15,899 through the leafy, peaceful suburb of Skokie, Illinois, 184 00:08:15,899 --> 00:08:18,730 home to a significant number of Holocaust survivors. 185 00:08:18,730 --> 00:08:22,478 The City Council immediately passed ordinances trying to block the Nazis, 186 00:08:22,478 --> 00:08:23,899 and the Nazis sued. 187 00:08:23,899 --> 00:08:26,855 The case made it all the way up to the Supreme Court 188 00:08:26,855 --> 00:08:28,259 and back down again. 189 00:08:28,259 --> 00:08:31,327 The courts held that the Neo-Nazis had the right to march, 190 00:08:31,327 --> 00:08:33,294 and that they could display their swastikas 191 00:08:33,294 --> 00:08:35,459 and give their salutes while doing so. 192 00:08:35,459 --> 00:08:37,713 But when the day for the march came, 193 00:08:37,713 --> 00:08:39,508 and after all that litigation, 194 00:08:39,508 --> 00:08:41,310 just 20 Neo-Nazis showed up 195 00:08:41,310 --> 00:08:43,995 in front of the Federal Building in Chicago, Illinois, 196 00:08:43,995 --> 00:08:46,448 and they were met by 2,000 counter-protesters 197 00:08:46,448 --> 00:08:48,992 responding to the Nazis' messages of hate 198 00:08:48,992 --> 00:08:50,524 with ones of inclusion. 199 00:08:50,524 --> 00:08:52,694 As the Chicago Tribune noted, 200 00:08:52,694 --> 00:08:57,205 the Nazi march sputtered to an unspectacular end after 10 minutes. 201 00:08:57,205 --> 00:09:00,507 The violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and indeed around the world 202 00:09:00,507 --> 00:09:03,213 shows this isn't always how these stories end, 203 00:09:03,213 --> 00:09:05,879 but to me the Skokie story is a good one, 204 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:10,326 one that shows that the fallacy and moral bankruptcy of hateful speech 205 00:09:10,326 --> 00:09:13,193 can best be responded to not through suppression 206 00:09:13,193 --> 00:09:17,314 but through the righteous power of countervailing good and noble ideas. 207 00:09:17,314 --> 00:09:19,087 Thank you.