1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 (Applause) 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,000 AIDS was discovered 1981; the virus, 1983. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,000 These Gapminder bubbles show you 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,000 how the spread of the virus was in 1983 in the world, 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 or how we estimate that it was. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 What we are showing here is -- 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:28,000 on this axis here, I'm showing percent of infected adults. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,000 And on this axis, I'm showing dollars per person in income. 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,000 And the size of these bubbles, the size of the bubbles here, 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,000 that shows how many are infected in each country, 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 and the color is the continent. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Now, you can see United States, in 1983, 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,000 had a very low percentage infected, 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000 but due to the big population, still a sizable bubble. 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 There were quite many people infected in the United States. 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 And, up there, you see Uganda. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 They had almost five percent infected, 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 and quite a big bubble in spite of being a small country, then. 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,000 And they were probably the most infected country in the world. 20 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Now, what has happened? 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Now you have understood the graph 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 and now, in the next 60 seconds, 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 we will play the HIV epidemic in the world. 24 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,000 But first, I have a new invention here. 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 (Laughter) 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,000 I have solidified the beam of the laser pointer. 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 (Laughter) 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 (Applause) 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,000 So, ready, steady, go! 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,000 First, we have the fast rise in Uganda and Zimbabwe. 31 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 They went upwards like this. 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,000 In Asia, the first country to be heavily infected was Thailand -- 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 they reached one to two percent. 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Then, Uganda started to turn back, 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,000 whereas Zimbabwe skyrocketed, 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000 and some years later South Africa had a terrible rise of HIV frequency. 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Look, India got many infected, 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,000 but had a low level. 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,000 And almost the same happens here. 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,000 See, Uganda coming down, Zimbabwe coming down, 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Russia went to one percent. 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,000 In the last two to three years, 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,000 we have reached a steady state of HIV epidemic in the world. 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000 25 years it took. 45 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,000 But, steady state doesn't mean that things are getting better, 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,000 it's just that they have stopped getting worse. 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,000 And it has -- the steady state is, more or less, 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,000 one percent of the adult world population is HIV-infected. 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 It means 30 to 40 million people, 50 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 the whole of California -- every person, 51 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 that's more or less what we have today in the world. 52 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,000 Now, let me make a fast replay of Botswana. 53 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Botswana -- upper middle-income country in southern Africa, 54 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,000 democratic government, good economy, 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 and this is what happened there. 56 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 They started low, they skyrocketed, 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,000 they peaked up there in 2003, 58 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 and now they are down. 59 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 But they are falling only slowly, 60 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,000 because in Botswana, with good economy and governance, 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,000 they can manage to treat people. 62 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 And if people who are infected are treated, they don't die of AIDS. 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,000 These percentages won't come down 64 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,000 because people can survive 10 to 20 years. 65 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 So there's some problem with these metrics now. 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,000 But the poorer countries in Africa, the low-income countries down here, 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:35,000 there the rates fall faster, of the percentage infected, 68 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 because people still die. 69 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000 In spite of PEPFAR, the generous PEPFAR, 70 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 all people are not reached by treatment, 71 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 and of those who are reached by treatment in the poor countries, 72 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,000 only 60 percent are left on treatment after two years. 73 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,000 It's not realistic with lifelong treatment 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 for everyone in the poorest countries. 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 But it's very good that what is done is being done. 76 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,000 But focus now is back on prevention. 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 It is only by stopping the transmission 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 that the world will be able to deal with it. 79 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Drugs is too costly -- had we had the vaccine, 80 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 or when we will get the vaccine, that's something more effective -- 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 but the drugs are very costly for the poor. 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Not the drug in itself, but the treatment 83 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 and the care which is needed around it. 84 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 So, when we look at the pattern, 85 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 one thing comes out very clearly: 86 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 you see the blue bubbles 87 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 and people say HIV is very high in Africa. 88 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 I would say, HIV is very different in Africa. 89 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,000 You'll find the highest HIV rate in the world 90 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 in African countries, 91 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 and yet you'll find Senegal, down here -- 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 the same rate as United States. 93 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 And you'll find Madagascar, 94 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 and you'll find a lot of African countries 95 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,000 about as low as the rest of the world. 96 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,000 It's this terrible simplification that there's one Africa 97 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,000 and things go on in one way in Africa. 98 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 We have to stop that. 99 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 It's not respectful, and it's not very clever 100 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 to think that way. 101 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 (Applause) 102 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 I had the fortune to live and work for a time in the United States. 103 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,000 I found out that Salt Lake City and San Francisco were different. 104 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 (Laughter) 105 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 And so it is in Africa -- it's a lot of difference. 106 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 So, why is it so high? Is it war? 107 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000 No, it's not. Look here. 108 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000 War-torn Congo is down there -- two, three, four percent. 109 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,000 And this is peaceful Zambia, neighboring country -- 15 percent. 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,000 And there's good studies of the refugees coming out of Congo -- 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 they have two, three percent infected, 112 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 and peaceful Zambia -- much higher. 113 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 There are now studies clearly showing 114 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 that the wars are terrible, that rapes are terrible, 115 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,000 but this is not the driving force for the high levels in Africa. 116 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,000 So, is it poverty? 117 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Well if you look at the macro level, 118 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 it seems more money, more HIV. 119 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 But that's very simplistic, 120 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,000 so let's go down and look at Tanzania. 121 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,000 I will split Tanzania in five income groups, 122 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 from the highest income to the lowest income, 123 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 and here we go. 124 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,000 The ones with the highest income, the better off -- I wouldn't say rich -- 125 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 they have higher HIV. 126 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,000 The difference goes from 11 percent down to four percent, 127 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,000 and it is even bigger among women. 128 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 There's a lot of things that we thought, that now, good research, 129 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,000 done by African institutions and researchers 130 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 together with the international researchers, show that that's not the case. 131 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 So, this is the difference within Tanzania. 132 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 And, I can't avoid showing Kenya. 133 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Look here at Kenya. 134 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 I've split Kenya in its provinces. 135 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Here it goes. 136 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,000 See the difference within one African country -- 137 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,000 it goes from very low level to very high level, 138 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 and most of the provinces in Kenya is quite modest. 139 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,000 So, what is it then? 140 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Why do we see this extremely high levels in some countries? 141 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Well, it is more common with multiple partners, 142 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 there is less condom use, 143 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 and there is age-disparate sex -- 144 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,000 that is, older men tend to have sex with younger women. 145 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 We see higher rates in younger women than younger men 146 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 in many of these highly affected countries. 147 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 But where are they situated? 148 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 I will swap the bubbles to a map. 149 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,000 Look, the highly infected are four percent of all population 150 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,000 and they hold 50 percent of the HIV-infected. 151 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,000 HIV exists all over the world. 152 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Look, you have bubbles all over the world here. 153 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Brazil has many HIV-infected. 154 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Arab countries not so much, but Iran is quite high. 155 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,000 They have heroin addiction and also prostitution in Iran. 156 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,000 India has many because they are many. 157 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Southeast Asia, and so on. 158 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 But, there is one part of Africa -- 159 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 and the difficult thing is, at the same time, 160 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 not to make a uniform statement about Africa, 161 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,000 not to come to simple ideas of why it is like this, on one hand. 162 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 On the other hand, try to say that this is not the case, 163 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 because there is a scientific consensus about this pattern now. 164 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,000 UNAIDS have done good data available, finally, 165 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,000 about the spread of HIV. 166 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 It could be concurrency. 167 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,000 It could be some virus types. 168 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,000 It could be that there is other things 169 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 which makes transmission occur in a higher frequency. 170 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 After all, if you are completely healthy and you have heterosexual sex, 171 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,000 the risk of infection in one intercourse is one in 1,000. 172 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Don't jump to conclusions now on how to 173 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 behave tonight and so on. 174 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 (Laughter) 175 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,000 But -- and if you are in an unfavorable situation, 176 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,000 more sexually transmitted diseases, it can be one in 100. 177 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 But what we think is that it could be concurrency. 178 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 And what is concurrency? 179 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 In Sweden, we have no concurrency. 180 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 We have serial monogamy. 181 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Vodka, New Year's Eve -- new partner for the spring. 182 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Vodka, Midsummer's Eve -- new partner for the fall. 183 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Vodka -- and it goes on like this, you know? 184 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,000 And you collect a big number of exes. 185 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 And we have a terrible chlamydia epidemic -- 186 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,000 terrible chlamydia epidemic which sticks around for many years. 187 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 HIV has a peak three to six weeks after infection 188 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 and therefore, having more than one partner in the same month 189 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,000 is much more dangerous for HIV than others. 190 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Probably, it's a combination of this. 191 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,000 And what makes me so happy is that we are moving now 192 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,000 towards fact when we look at this. 193 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 You can get this chart, free. 194 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 We have uploaded UNAIDS data on the Gapminder site. 195 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,000 And we hope that when we act on global problems in the future 196 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 we will not only have the heart, 197 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 we will not only have the money, 198 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,000 but we will also use the brain. 199 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Thank you very much. 200 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:38,000 (Applause)