1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:04,440 I have no doubt that the fundamental 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,165 source of all our problems, 3 00:00:07,165 --> 00:00:09,119 particularly our governmental problems, 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,650 is population growth. 5 00:00:12,330 --> 00:00:14,789 [music] 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,780 I love the years of living dangerously 7 00:00:23,780 --> 00:00:25,980 because they tackled one of the main 8 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:28,749 myths about climate change head-on. 9 00:00:28,749 --> 00:00:30,889 One of the main myths is that climate change 10 00:00:30,889 --> 00:00:33,270 is a distant issue. It's distant in space; 11 00:00:33,270 --> 00:00:35,700 it's only about the polar bear, and not about us, 12 00:00:35,700 --> 00:00:36,980 and it's distant in time; 13 00:00:36,980 --> 00:00:39,309 it's only about future generations, not about us. 14 00:00:39,309 --> 00:00:41,056 This is a myth that isn't just among 15 00:00:41,056 --> 00:00:43,250 people who don't think climate change is real. 16 00:00:43,250 --> 00:00:44,990 Even many people who do view it as 17 00:00:44,990 --> 00:00:46,410 "Oh it's just you know we'll 18 00:00:46,410 --> 00:00:47,994 deal with it in the future." 19 00:00:47,994 --> 00:00:49,849 The years of living dangerously said, 20 00:00:49,849 --> 00:00:51,149 "No. We are dealing with 21 00:00:51,149 --> 00:00:53,040 it right now whether you like it or not 22 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,900 and let us show you the faces of the 23 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:57,289 people around the world who are dealing with it." 24 00:00:57,289 --> 00:01:00,209 So we're not talking like we were 50 years ago, 40 years ago. 25 00:01:00,209 --> 00:01:01,809 Oh, like this will be a problem. 26 00:01:01,809 --> 00:01:02,879 It is a problem. 27 00:01:02,879 --> 00:01:04,789 All the systems we have in place: 28 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:06,909 agriculture, urban environment. 29 00:01:06,909 --> 00:01:08,500 Everything we've set up 30 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:11,070 has all been predicated on 31 00:01:11,070 --> 00:01:14,310 this very, very stable climate, which 32 00:01:14,310 --> 00:01:16,289 we're now starting to tinker with, 33 00:01:16,289 --> 00:01:20,030 you know, fiddle with the dials in an uncontrolled way. 34 00:01:20,030 --> 00:01:21,490 The science is looking 35 00:01:21,490 --> 00:01:23,670 at the impact of that on the climate, 36 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:26,070 the impact on humans, the impact on sea level, 37 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:27,450 the impact on precipitation. 38 00:01:27,450 --> 00:01:29,799 It's gonna be the impact on food production. 39 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:31,363 It's gonna be the impact of 40 00:01:31,363 --> 00:01:32,669 where people live, right? 41 00:01:32,669 --> 00:01:34,310 There is a pretty serious impact. 42 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:36,559 There's gonna be an impact on biodiversity 43 00:01:36,559 --> 00:01:38,021 which, in my opinion has been 44 00:01:38,021 --> 00:01:39,440 bigger than sea level rise, right. 45 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,450 The decay of species. 46 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,380 Unfortunately, it's not the people who are 47 00:01:43,380 --> 00:01:44,990 causing the problems that will be 48 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:46,730 most affected, so, you know, 49 00:01:46,810 --> 00:01:49,320 American has the highest 50 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:50,650 commuters per capita. 51 00:01:51,110 --> 00:01:53,040 But it's the people in the developing 52 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,634 natures- regions that will be affected most. 53 00:01:56,250 --> 00:01:58,320 So poor old [Curabeth] is already having 54 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,340 saltwater intrusion, inundation, and sea level rise. 55 00:02:01,340 --> 00:02:03,240 And they're not putting any greenhouse 56 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,283 gas emissions into the atmosphere. 57 00:02:05,283 --> 00:02:07,330 You can imagine that if you're on a 58 00:02:07,330 --> 00:02:08,800 low line pacific island, 59 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,869 well actually a small amount of sea level 60 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:14,648 makes a massive difference to your livelihood. 61 00:02:14,648 --> 00:02:16,307 Ah, combine that with, you know, 62 00:02:16,307 --> 00:02:18,699 a high tide or a storm surge 63 00:02:18,699 --> 00:02:19,984 and then, you know, we get 64 00:02:19,984 --> 00:02:23,410 regions of the world that are very vulnerable 65 00:02:23,410 --> 00:02:25,690 to these kind of combined events. 66 00:02:25,690 --> 00:02:28,170 We are very, very vulnerable as a species 67 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:32,163 to relatively small changes in sea level. 68 00:02:32,163 --> 00:02:34,240 There are countries like Bangladesh, 69 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,050 the Netherlands, and all the Atolls 70 00:02:37,050 --> 00:02:38,490 in the South Pacific, 71 00:02:38,490 --> 00:02:40,837 which would be absolutely devastated 72 00:02:41,807 --> 00:02:44,290 from a sea level rise of more than a meter. 73 00:02:44,740 --> 00:02:46,970 Millions and millions of people 74 00:02:47,269 --> 00:02:49,264 are set to be displaced with our 75 00:02:49,264 --> 00:02:51,429 low-end projections of sea level rise. 76 00:02:51,709 --> 00:02:53,542 If we start tracking at higher ends 77 00:02:53,542 --> 00:02:57,220 because of these rapid melting of the land ice 78 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:59,559 over the Greenland and Antarctic regions, 79 00:02:59,559 --> 00:03:01,969 you could have, you know, even more 80 00:03:01,969 --> 00:03:04,320 rapid displacement of populations. 81 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,429 The sea-level rise around about a meter 82 00:03:07,139 --> 00:03:10,919 it's suggested would displace potentially 83 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,289 up to two hundred million people. 84 00:03:13,509 --> 00:03:15,630 It's very clear that if you push 85 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:17,751 slowly on the climate, 86 00:03:18,149 --> 00:03:20,330 a lot of the things that we have built 87 00:03:20,729 --> 00:03:22,169 hit sudden thresholds. 88 00:03:23,009 --> 00:03:26,343 Either the city is hiding behind the levy 89 00:03:26,343 --> 00:03:28,332 and the water stays just below 90 00:03:28,332 --> 00:03:30,716 the levy during the storm, 91 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:32,799 or just above. 92 00:03:32,979 --> 00:03:35,234 And that little change 93 00:03:35,234 --> 00:03:37,210 can make a huge difference to whether 94 00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:39,609 your city is livable or not the next few weeks. 95 00:03:39,749 --> 00:03:42,076 I think in the tropics, there's where 96 00:03:42,076 --> 00:03:45,244 you're going to see the first real impacts 97 00:03:45,244 --> 00:03:48,664 on people, because the people are living right downstream 98 00:03:48,664 --> 00:03:51,020 below the glaciers, and there are 99 00:03:51,020 --> 00:03:53,322 large numbers of people living downstream. 100 00:03:53,772 --> 00:03:56,046 So, what's happening to those glaciers 101 00:03:56,046 --> 00:03:57,407 becomes extremely important. 102 00:03:57,810 --> 00:03:58,835 What glaciers do is 103 00:03:58,835 --> 00:04:00,330 they act as sponges basically. 104 00:04:00,330 --> 00:04:01,938 So, in the winter they hold that 105 00:04:01,938 --> 00:04:03,547 snow that falls, 106 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,550 and then they release that snow 107 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:06,939 in the dry time of the year, 108 00:04:06,939 --> 00:04:08,409 which is typically the summer. 109 00:04:08,409 --> 00:04:10,304 So what glaciers do is they tend to even out 110 00:04:10,304 --> 00:04:12,570 the annual precipitation that falls, 111 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:16,665 and essentially allow areas to carry on 112 00:04:16,665 --> 00:04:18,950 to have agriculture, for example, in the summer 113 00:04:18,950 --> 00:04:20,440 when otherwise there'd be areas 114 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,679 that are very, very dry. 115 00:04:21,679 --> 00:04:23,349 If you go to a country like Peru, 116 00:04:23,349 --> 00:04:25,830 seventy percent of the tropical glaciers 117 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:28,501 on Earth are in Peru, in the Andes of Peru. 118 00:04:28,501 --> 00:04:31,199 Here you have a country of thirty-four million people. 119 00:04:31,619 --> 00:04:33,590 Over fifty percent live in the desert 120 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:36,920 on the West coast of Peru, depending on rivers that originate 121 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,168 in the glaciers up in the Andes. 122 00:04:41,228 --> 00:04:43,780 Seventy-six percent of their electricity 123 00:04:43,780 --> 00:04:45,234 comes from hydropower, 124 00:04:45,664 --> 00:04:47,969 the water coming from those glaciers. 125 00:04:47,969 --> 00:04:49,980 If you're working in Tibet, there are 126 00:04:49,980 --> 00:04:51,760 forty-six thousand glaciers there. 127 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,220 And you take a river like the Indus river, 128 00:04:54,220 --> 00:04:57,533 it flows through China, through Pakistan, 129 00:04:57,533 --> 00:04:59,553 and through India, all are 130 00:04:59,553 --> 00:05:01,273 nuclear power countries. 131 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,679 All depend on that river for its water supplies. 132 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:08,480 So these are places, geopolitical hotspots 133 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,877 in the future. 134 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:13,591 I think perhaps the biggest impact is on agriculture, because the- 135 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,587 if you think of the prairies that 136 00:05:16,587 --> 00:05:17,990 stretch East of the Rockies, 137 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:19,370 those huge areas are fed by 138 00:05:19,370 --> 00:05:21,222 the rivers that flow from the Rockies. 139 00:05:21,222 --> 00:05:23,110 So you can imagine that if we're trying 140 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:26,878 to feed a global population, and there are 141 00:05:27,388 --> 00:05:29,381 crops like wheat, for example, 142 00:05:29,381 --> 00:05:33,181 which don't have a high tolerance to 143 00:05:33,181 --> 00:05:37,006 certain high thresholds, then we could be in serious trouble. 144 00:05:37,006 --> 00:05:40,450 Those that don't have access 145 00:05:40,450 --> 00:05:42,040 to things like air conditioning 146 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,810 or good public health infrastructure. 147 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:45,370 You know, if you get a heat wave 148 00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:46,500 in those sorts of areas 149 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:48,010 people get sick, or the elderly 150 00:05:48,010 --> 00:05:49,840 generally get really sick after a heat wave. 151 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,310 If they don't have the public infrastructure 152 00:05:51,310 --> 00:05:52,840 to cope with that more people will 153 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,476 unfortunately, be killed. 154 00:05:54,476 --> 00:05:55,760 So when you look at health, 155 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,080 and you look at morbidity and mortality rates, 156 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,549 they increase substantially during heat wave events, 157 00:06:01,549 --> 00:06:05,449 and, in fact, Europe in 2003 there was 158 00:06:05,449 --> 00:06:06,560 somewhere around about 159 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,150 thirty thousand to fifty thousand 160 00:06:08,150 --> 00:06:09,830 excess deaths 161 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:11,510 due to the heat wave. 162 00:06:11,910 --> 00:06:13,765 Some of my research is in East Africa. 163 00:06:13,765 --> 00:06:15,976 We are seeing climate change impacts 164 00:06:15,976 --> 00:06:18,113 in those places, and they're scary. 165 00:06:18,113 --> 00:06:20,584 You see what happens to people 166 00:06:20,584 --> 00:06:22,584 when the distributions of malaria carrying 167 00:06:22,584 --> 00:06:26,080 mosquitoes expands. It kills them. 168 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,930 It's not an academic issue for me. 169 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:31,411 This is a deeply ethically based issue. 170 00:06:32,054 --> 00:06:34,414 Climate change in the really short term 171 00:06:34,414 --> 00:06:37,458 is expensive, but not hugely so. 172 00:06:37,458 --> 00:06:40,494 And as the climate change gets bigger, 173 00:06:40,494 --> 00:06:42,644 as we look farther into the future, 174 00:06:42,644 --> 00:06:45,692 the price goes up. The damages go up. 175 00:06:46,393 --> 00:06:49,063 Very crudely, each degree of warming 176 00:06:49,063 --> 00:06:51,453 costs more than the previous degree. 177 00:06:51,883 --> 00:06:54,494 The first degree was almost in the noise 178 00:06:54,494 --> 00:06:57,763 of what we were used to; it's not very expensive. 179 00:06:57,763 --> 00:06:59,335 But we've used that one. 180 00:06:59,574 --> 00:07:01,384 And the second degree will cost 181 00:07:01,384 --> 00:07:03,104 a little more. It's moving outside 182 00:07:03,104 --> 00:07:05,799 of your experience, it's starting to stress things, 183 00:07:05,799 --> 00:07:09,828 and we've committed to that one very broadly. 184 00:07:09,828 --> 00:07:11,879 The third degree costs more than the second. 185 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:13,526 And by the fourth, and the fifth, 186 00:07:13,526 --> 00:07:16,430 now, sea level rise is going to get huge. 187 00:07:16,430 --> 00:07:19,139 We have real problems with crops, 188 00:07:19,139 --> 00:07:20,899 which may be bumping up against 189 00:07:20,899 --> 00:07:22,850 biochemical limits and the ability to 190 00:07:22,850 --> 00:07:25,900 feed ourselves gets a little bit worrisome. 191 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:28,490 And so, by the time you start running 192 00:07:28,490 --> 00:07:30,640 to the third, the fourth, the fifth degree, 193 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,530 the cost of damages, the dangers, 194 00:07:32,530 --> 00:07:35,612 go way up. But we're arguing now 195 00:07:35,612 --> 00:07:38,050 about the third degree, because we've basically- 196 00:07:38,050 --> 00:07:40,199 We've warmed almost all of the first one, 197 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:41,990 and we really have committed 198 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:43,180 to the second one. 199 00:07:43,180 --> 00:07:45,020 There are consequences in terms 200 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:46,226 of human life for this. 201 00:07:46,226 --> 00:07:47,786 There are consequences in terms 202 00:07:47,786 --> 00:07:49,314 of extinction rates for this. 203 00:07:49,314 --> 00:07:51,857 There are consequences in terms of ecosystem services. 204 00:07:51,857 --> 00:07:53,577 Every single day that goes by 205 00:07:53,577 --> 00:07:55,317 that we don't begin to address these 206 00:07:55,317 --> 00:07:57,767 problems, the problem gets worse, 207 00:07:57,767 --> 00:08:02,050 more expensive, more immediate, 208 00:08:02,050 --> 00:08:05,673 and in some parts of the world has a toll in 209 00:08:05,673 --> 00:08:07,481 in terms of people dying. 210 00:08:07,481 --> 00:08:08,580 And for me this is 211 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:10,659 just, like, fundamental. We don't have time 212 00:08:10,659 --> 00:08:12,960 to muck about with this. 213 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,700 This is not an ivory tower argument. 214 00:08:14,700 --> 00:08:17,357 This is one where the consequences are real. 215 00:08:17,357 --> 00:08:19,279 We have to really try and wake people up 216 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:21,140 to realize that this is happening, 217 00:08:21,140 --> 00:08:22,940 it's very, very serious, but we 218 00:08:22,940 --> 00:08:25,730 can solve it. But we have to do so 219 00:08:25,730 --> 00:08:29,537 not because, you know, it's gonna cut the economy, 220 00:08:29,537 --> 00:08:30,840 but because it's the planet 221 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,370 we live on, and it's the people 222 00:08:32,370 --> 00:08:34,490 that we love that are going to be affect- 223 00:08:34,490 --> 00:08:38,590 [music]