1 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,219 [Music] 2 00:00:17,150 --> 00:00:21,100 chances are high that you know this lady 3 00:00:21,100 --> 00:00:25,280 Lady Justice is the main image of justice we have 4 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,170 A blindfolded woman with scales and a sword 5 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:34,620 She is blindfolded because she has decided not to see 6 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:38,109 whom she has in front of her. 7 00:00:38,109 --> 00:00:42,870 With her scales it's nice to measure pain crime and fit that to punishment. 8 00:00:42,870 --> 00:00:46,389 With her sword she delivers her punishment, 9 00:00:46,389 --> 00:00:49,350 monopolizing its violence. 10 00:00:49,350 --> 00:00:51,999 Is this adjust image? 11 00:00:51,999 --> 00:01:00,089 how can we think about justice through images? 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:03,000 these are the questions I will ask here today. 13 00:01:00,089 --> 00:01:06,298 As a woman the accessories of Lady Justice 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,840 suffocate me. That might be because I'm 15 00:01:06,299 --> 00:01:13,890 not a lady. Maybe it's because I'm not 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:20,100 dressed to kill. In my talk today my 17 00:01:13,890 --> 00:01:23,840 companions will be women real women let 18 00:01:20,100 --> 00:01:27,240 us consider for a moment the blindfold. 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:31,499 If justice was really blind as she 20 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:33,780 claims to be then my question: is why our 21 00:01:31,499 --> 00:01:36,710 prisons filled mostly with blacks 22 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:40,590 foreigners in the poorest among us? 23 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:44,339 I think she is blind in order not to see 24 00:01:40,590 --> 00:01:46,679 the injustices imposed in her name. Not 25 00:01:44,340 --> 00:01:50,929 to see the pain and meaninglessness 26 00:01:46,679 --> 00:01:54,170 created by ugly institutions, our prisons. 27 00:01:50,929 --> 00:01:59,429 Deep down a woman in fact, this lady 28 00:01:54,170 --> 00:02:02,490 cannot bear to see. When trying to do 29 00:01:59,429 --> 00:02:07,619 justice when claiming to do justice our 30 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:10,590 eyes must be open wide. The men and women 31 00:02:07,619 --> 00:02:14,130 in our hands are not abstract but real 32 00:02:10,590 --> 00:02:17,940 human beings. They have been babies with 33 00:02:14,130 --> 00:02:21,690 a crystal face playful children and have 34 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:24,550 grown up men and women among us. They are 35 00:02:21,690 --> 00:02:31,030 called Emily, Antonio, 36 00:02:24,550 --> 00:02:34,770 Philip. Brunella. In 1931 a woman called 37 00:02:31,030 --> 00:02:38,770 Margaret Wilson on her own initiative 38 00:02:34,770 --> 00:02:41,530 curiosity and interest and also concern 39 00:02:38,770 --> 00:02:46,030 writes a book called "The crime of 40 00:02:41,530 --> 00:02:49,960 punishment". She was not an expert she is 41 00:02:46,030 --> 00:02:53,550 just a woman. She writes this about her 42 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:56,710 book she says : "This is a woman's book and 43 00:02:53,550 --> 00:03:00,370 therefore we shall be is shamelessly 44 00:02:56,710 --> 00:03:03,970 women as we please and that means we 45 00:03:00,370 --> 00:03:07,180 shall not consider the law or justice or 46 00:03:03,970 --> 00:03:09,250 safety or any other abstraction at a 47 00:03:07,180 --> 00:03:12,550 distance from the meaning they have on 48 00:03:09,250 --> 00:03:17,620 the lives of men and women, boys and 49 00:03:12,550 --> 00:03:21,550 girls we love." Lady Justice especially 50 00:03:17,620 --> 00:03:24,990 proud of her scales we are obsessed with 51 00:03:21,550 --> 00:03:30,430 the scales but our obsession is 52 00:03:24,990 --> 00:03:33,370 presumptuous. A very simple tool of crime 53 00:03:30,430 --> 00:03:37,870 and punishment in time and space shows 54 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:40,630 how ridiculous our assumptions are. The 55 00:03:37,870 --> 00:03:41,730 same crime today, it's not even taken 56 00:03:40,630 --> 00:03:43,900 very seriously, 57 00:03:41,730 --> 00:03:46,600 yesterday it was punished with death 58 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:49,720 penalty. I'm talking about things like 59 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:53,410 killing chicken, cutting trees, stealing 60 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:58,360 horses, being a witch, being a witch today 61 00:03:53,410 --> 00:04:01,690 is even fashionable. The same crime such 62 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:06,910 as drug use in Norway is punished with a 63 00:04:01,690 --> 00:04:09,459 fine in Singapore with death penalty. We 64 00:04:06,910 --> 00:04:13,420 try for accuracy and precision but 65 00:04:09,459 --> 00:04:15,910 cannot find it. In fact geometrical rigor 66 00:04:13,420 --> 00:04:20,858 and human activity do not go together 67 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:23,500 well. The algebra of suffering, writes 68 00:04:20,858 --> 00:04:28,060 Anna Messuti, in her book "Time as 69 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:32,740 punishment", is : minus times minus equals 70 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:36,190 more. Negative times negative equals 71 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:37,960 positive. But do we really believe that 72 00:04:36,190 --> 00:04:40,530 in order to get rid of 73 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:47,219 suffering we need to add additional 74 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:49,929 suffering? The sword of justice delivers 75 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:53,949 punishment but does not keep a distance 76 00:04:49,930 --> 00:04:56,530 from it. For this reason the history of 77 00:04:53,949 --> 00:05:04,150 punishment is not less cruel that the 78 00:04:56,530 --> 00:05:07,330 history of crime. So is this a just image? 79 00:05:04,150 --> 00:05:12,609 How can we think about alternative ideas 80 00:05:07,330 --> 00:05:15,969 of justice through images? Since 10 years 81 00:05:12,610 --> 00:05:18,580 I work on an alternative idea of justice 82 00:05:15,970 --> 00:05:21,820 called restorative justice. Restorative 83 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:27,120 justice challenges Lady Justice in all 84 00:05:21,820 --> 00:05:31,120 its elements: blindfold, scales and sword. 85 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:34,449 Its eyes and ears are open wide to 86 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:37,180 listen to and see the voices and faces 87 00:05:34,449 --> 00:05:39,849 of those that have been harmed and those 88 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:41,949 that have harmed. It does not have the 89 00:05:39,849 --> 00:05:45,729 arrogance to think we can measure pain 90 00:05:41,949 --> 00:05:48,370 and equate it to punishment. It deals 91 00:05:45,729 --> 00:05:51,389 with the irreversibility of human action: 92 00:05:48,370 --> 00:05:55,270 what has been done cannot be undone. 93 00:05:51,389 --> 00:05:57,759 There is no equality of pain. Crime and 94 00:05:55,270 --> 00:06:01,690 punishment are not interchangeable. We 95 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:06,310 must move on from this. Restorative 96 00:06:01,690 --> 00:06:11,710 justice tries to do right from 97 00:06:06,310 --> 00:06:13,469 wrong. It keeps crime at a distance says 98 00:06:11,710 --> 00:06:16,388 Claudia Mazzucato. 99 00:06:13,469 --> 00:06:19,060 It can meet violence but does not 100 00:06:16,389 --> 00:06:21,240 replicate it, does not use it and 101 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:24,580 therefore does not legitimize it. 102 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:27,370 Answering evil with evil might seem the 103 00:06:24,580 --> 00:06:31,020 most obvious but it is not the best way 104 00:06:27,370 --> 00:06:31,020 to establish an equilibrium. 105 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:37,389 Claudia Mazzucato is one of the 106 00:06:34,750 --> 00:06:39,270 mediators that has created very 107 00:06:37,389 --> 00:06:41,699 important encounters between 108 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:45,549 perpetrators of political violence in 109 00:06:41,699 --> 00:06:47,830 1970s in Italy and their victims. The 110 00:06:45,550 --> 00:06:51,310 best argument against violence she 111 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:54,099 argues is a critique of violence. 112 00:06:51,310 --> 00:06:56,490 The sword of justice cuts between victims 113 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:59,800 and offenders innocent and guilty, 114 00:06:56,490 --> 00:07:03,240 partisans of one and the other, relevant 115 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:06,190 from irrelevant fact. As a mediator 116 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:12,340 Mazzucato likens her word to another 117 00:07:06,190 --> 00:07:14,800 image that of the plough it is in the 118 00:07:12,340 --> 00:07:17,619 nature of the plough to work for many 119 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:20,770 years it is in the nature of the sword 120 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:23,650 to work but one minute it takes years 121 00:07:20,770 --> 00:07:28,120 and years to nourish and maintain human 122 00:07:23,650 --> 00:07:30,310 lives and human relations but is the 123 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:34,390 plough a good image of restorative 124 00:07:30,310 --> 00:07:38,590 justice claudia matsukata herself finds 125 00:07:34,390 --> 00:07:41,140 anchorage in another image this is a 126 00:07:38,590 --> 00:07:44,229 logo of the Constitutional Court in 127 00:07:41,140 --> 00:07:48,849 South Africa it was made by a woman 128 00:07:44,230 --> 00:07:50,530 artist called Carolyn Perron this image 129 00:07:48,850 --> 00:07:52,930 you see in this image you see people 130 00:07:50,530 --> 00:07:57,520 sheltered under the branches of the tree 131 00:07:52,930 --> 00:08:00,010 to symbolize a justice that protects it 132 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,710 is bait based on traditional African 133 00:08:00,010 --> 00:08:05,200 communities where people were literally 134 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:08,190 sitting under a tree to discuss their 135 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:11,080 disputes and conflict through dialogue 136 00:08:08,190 --> 00:08:13,680 the image also tries to represent 137 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,960 another concept the concept of Ubuntu 138 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,780 this concept refers to humanity but 139 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,719 humanity made possible only through the 140 00:08:19,780 --> 00:08:25,539 existence of other people in fact in the 141 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,900 images you will notice that dark and 142 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:31,030 light are distinct the the branches and 143 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:33,730 the people in a way artistic black black 144 00:08:31,030 --> 00:08:36,698 and white but on another level you will 145 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:39,850 see that they are not distinct you do 146 00:08:36,700 --> 00:08:45,430 not see where does one start and where 147 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:47,320 does the other end in my work in 148 00:08:45,430 --> 00:08:49,660 restorative justice I have been very 149 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:53,110 inspired by scholars like Claudia 150 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:55,980 matsukata but also others who feel the 151 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:59,230 need to step outside their narrow field 152 00:08:55,980 --> 00:09:02,980 these scholars find anchorage in arts 153 00:08:59,230 --> 00:09:05,110 and literature I think in our field we 154 00:09:02,980 --> 00:09:07,600 need contamination we need to step 155 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:12,910 outside otherwise we remain a closed 156 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:15,459 system this image was made by street 157 00:09:12,910 --> 00:09:17,680 artist here in lovin and it refers very 158 00:09:15,459 --> 00:09:20,949 clearly to what I think a closed system 159 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:25,719 is listening to oneself only speaking to 160 00:09:20,950 --> 00:09:29,140 oneself only if we ignore arts and 161 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:32,230 imagination we lack the tools that will 162 00:09:29,140 --> 00:09:35,350 give us the necessary inspiration to 163 00:09:32,230 --> 00:09:37,810 understand what do we do why do we do it 164 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:42,040 and how can we imagine things being 165 00:09:37,810 --> 00:09:44,319 otherwise but our brains are not 166 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,800 instruments of representation they are 167 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,720 instrument of action this is the reason 168 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,209 why I'm very conscious of the importance 169 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:55,630 of action and therefore I do like art 170 00:09:52,209 --> 00:09:58,239 that acts that moves that touches that 171 00:09:55,630 --> 00:10:01,420 represents and shows another image of 172 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:04,839 what is possible I want to talk to you 173 00:10:01,420 --> 00:10:08,170 about another woman this our Dean Ian 174 00:10:04,839 --> 00:10:12,010 artist Mary Ally she died four years ago 175 00:10:08,170 --> 00:10:14,439 at 98 93 years old I was very lucky to 176 00:10:12,010 --> 00:10:20,230 meet her two years before she died in an 177 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:22,959 Italian in Sardinia in 1981 Maria led me 178 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:27,040 the truly unique piece of art in her 179 00:10:22,959 --> 00:10:29,229 hometown in ullas I for her art work she 180 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,920 started talking to the people in town 181 00:10:29,230 --> 00:10:35,019 listening to their stories among the old 182 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:38,290 stories told one story caught her 183 00:10:35,019 --> 00:10:41,800 imagination The Legend of the blue 184 00:10:38,290 --> 00:10:45,760 ribbon the legend told of a little girl 185 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:49,630 who was in a cave with two older men and 186 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:51,550 the cave falls down the girl holds on to 187 00:10:49,630 --> 00:10:54,459 a blue ribbon she sees in the sky and 188 00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:57,910 gets saved the men do not believe her 189 00:10:54,459 --> 00:11:00,399 and die under the cave now the legend is 190 00:10:57,910 --> 00:11:02,890 built on a real event that took place in 191 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:06,149 olice I where when the mountain that 192 00:11:02,890 --> 00:11:10,180 stands on top of the town fell down and 193 00:11:06,149 --> 00:11:12,880 caused a tragedy it was this legend and 194 00:11:10,180 --> 00:11:15,640 the imagination of the little girl that 195 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:18,939 gave the artist the right tools to start 196 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:21,430 her project merchants from 197 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:24,850 all over Italy donated meters and meters 198 00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:28,900 of blue fabric she asked the inhabitants 199 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:31,900 to cut long blue ribbons out of the 200 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:37,630 fabric of course some just watched 201 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:40,060 because some people were very hesitant 202 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:45,070 to to participate and but most people 203 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:47,949 did especially children did once the 204 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:51,670 blue ribbons were ready she asked the 205 00:11:47,950 --> 00:11:57,220 inhabitants to tie the town into itself 206 00:11:51,670 --> 00:12:00,060 tie every house to each other as people 207 00:11:57,220 --> 00:12:02,470 started to do this a problem emerged 208 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:05,380 people were telling her they did not 209 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:08,550 want to tie the house to the house of 210 00:12:05,380 --> 00:12:13,330 the neighbor because there were enemies 211 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:16,089 the artists worked with this resistance 212 00:12:13,330 --> 00:12:21,090 and ask people to tie the houses anyhow 213 00:12:16,090 --> 00:12:24,940 but when there was friendship and to tie 214 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:27,220 loaves of bread into the nodes or put 215 00:12:24,940 --> 00:12:29,650 colorful clothes to symbolize it also 216 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:32,530 reminding us that friendship is rare and 217 00:12:29,650 --> 00:12:37,750 she told them to put nothing where there 218 00:12:32,530 --> 00:12:40,390 was no friendship now as the houses were 219 00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:44,230 being tied into each other a helicopter 220 00:12:40,390 --> 00:12:48,449 flew in float flew in and tied the whole 221 00:12:44,230 --> 00:12:54,750 town to its mountain in order to make 222 00:12:48,450 --> 00:12:57,970 peace with it now I know this image 223 00:12:54,750 --> 00:13:00,880 belongs to an art museum and not to a 224 00:12:57,970 --> 00:13:03,490 courthouse I also know that it's very 225 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,580 impractical to tie our courthouses with 226 00:13:03,490 --> 00:13:10,839 blue ribbons but I want this image to 227 00:13:06,580 --> 00:13:14,130 make us think think of what justice that 228 00:13:10,839 --> 00:13:17,620 restores and repairs would look like I 229 00:13:14,130 --> 00:13:20,290 think time has come for Lady Justice to 230 00:13:17,620 --> 00:13:25,089 grow up and become a woman a 93 years 231 00:13:20,290 --> 00:13:27,730 old woman is this how can how can we 232 00:13:25,089 --> 00:13:29,170 think about just images probably we have 233 00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:30,880 to think a little bit further about that 234 00:13:29,170 --> 00:13:31,300 but let me leave you with one thing 235 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,970 tonight 236 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:36,060 when you go home 237 00:13:32,970 --> 00:13:38,970 tonight tomorrow please look and think 238 00:13:36,060 --> 00:13:42,689 about images of justice when you go into 239 00:13:38,970 --> 00:13:44,250 a courthouse bow in respect in front of 240 00:13:42,690 --> 00:13:48,180 the statue of Lady Justice 241 00:13:44,250 --> 00:13:49,290 but look further for alternatives I hope 242 00:13:48,180 --> 00:13:52,589 our courthouses 243 00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:55,560 and our municipalities will lounge 244 00:13:52,590 --> 00:13:58,950 public forums inviting artists students 245 00:13:55,560 --> 00:14:02,969 and others to work together and imagine 246 00:13:58,950 --> 00:14:04,980 a justice otherwise and if it can be 247 00:14:02,970 --> 00:14:06,740 imagined it can be done 248 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:15,360 thank you 249 00:14:06,740 --> 00:14:15,360 [Applause]